Decision 2011: Giants Keep Fontenot
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 12, 2011 8:57 PM PST
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PrintBaggs has the news:
Fontenot signed to one year deal. Keppinger and Whiteside Non-Tendered.
So Jeff Keppinger is gone which is ... well, it's whatever's between "a shame" and "totally meaningless." He's a player who belongs on a 25-man roster. I bet we'll see a bunch of Giants players in 2012 who won't automatically deserve that distinction. That's worth keeping in mind.
But the Giants made the right choice. If they were scared that Fontenot's left-handedness was going to get in the way of Brandon Crawford's left-handedness, they were wise to worry about something else. Fontenot's the better complement to Sanchez and the other thing is oh my sweet crap I've written way too much about Jeff Keppinger and Mike Fontenot today.
It looks like Eli Whiteside isn't going to be back, either. He had a good run. He has a ring, a no-hitter, and a card from the Backup Catcher's Union, Local 939, even though he's not that much different from 60 other catchers playing in AA and AAA.
And he hates Shane Victorino. Never forget. The dude won a ring, caught a no-hitter, and hates Shane Victorino. That's tattoo-worthy, really. But as far as backup catchers go, not so much.
All we are is dust in the wind. But the Giants will have at least one major-league shortstop on the roster next year! Baby steps. And if this is the one freaking time that Bochy sticks with the rookie through thick and thin at the expense of the veteran behind him, well, at least it will be ironic.
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Fuck Shane Victorino.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
by jponry on Dec 12, 2011 8:59 PM PST reply actions 13 recs
In the ear
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
by marcello on Dec 12, 2011 9:06 PM PST up reply actions 13 recs
/never gets old
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
by bigboneded on Dec 12, 2011 9:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Rec’d like a muthaf*ucker
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
To be fair, who the fuck doesn’t hate Shane Victorino?
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Can I hate him and want him on the Giants at the same time?
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Dec 12, 2011 9:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
(a) he would make the Giants better
(b) I would be fucking horrified all the same
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
huh, apparently I remembered that backwards
In my memory, he was running directly towards the right field wall when he deliberately collided with Vizquel.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
According to the umpire with the 20/300 vision, he did nothing wrong.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
FUCKING FUCK THAT FUCKING PLAY
AND THAT STUPID FUCKING CALL
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
by scout6 on Dec 12, 2011 9:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
god such bullshit
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
It’s a dirty play.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
yes it is
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
It’s pretty clear he ran into the fielder on purpose. It’s not like he was sliding in 2B and trying to break up a double play.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
he wasn’t trying to bowl him over or anything he was just trying to make contact to get the free base. that’s something players are taught to do. the fact that the umpire allowed him to run 20 feet out of the baseline to do it is dumb but that’s on the umpire not victorino.
WWRWD?
I guess I can see that.
Although in my own experience I’ve never encountered a player or coach who has said that this is what you should do. If someone did that to me (especially so blatantly) I’d be pissed.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Phillies fans?
I know Mets fans hate him.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
This is true, but on the other hand, they’re Phillies fans, so who gives a fuck what they think?
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
But he's from Wailuku -- alohasteve
Why do people hate Victorino? Maybe I don’t follow the McCoven enough to know! I gotta like it when anyone from the islands makes it in the big leagues. I’m guessing when he left, his friends all said “good luck on the mainland, braah”
his face resembles an ass
I feel like I want to rage. Right now.
by fjm on Dec 12, 2011 11:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I grew up in on Kauai
and I still fucking hate Shane Victorino that nasty portagee buggah
We live part-time on Maui
It’s the only thing that keeps me from hating Victorino
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
Two examples:
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 13, 2011 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
DANCE
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
I loved Dwight blasting Transiberian Orchestra and Creed doing Pete Townshend air guitar
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
that was awesome!!!
Never forget Henrietta!!!
Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.
by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
*sigh*
I still think the Giants could’ve gotten SOMETHING for Keppinger.
"The knowledge of the game is inversely proportional to the price of the seat." ---Bill Veeck. •Read My Blarrrgh...er, um....Comic. That doesn't really come across so well when said sarcastically. The Lunatic Fringe•
I would have said the same for Joe Saunders.
But teams were content to wait it out.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 12, 2011 9:02 PM PST up reply actions
Teams must have smelled blood in the water.
Plus there are still a few options on FA market, teams want to keep their prospects when possible, if for nothing other than trade material mid season, when money will help you less.
Why do my owners like profit>winning? Championships are the wealthy's bragging rights in Yacht rooms. #RDF can go to #!@%^
by Myemail21479 on Dec 13, 2011 7:57 AM PST up reply actions
When you publicly cry poor and announce that you can only keep one, you kind of lose all leverage.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 13, 2011 8:23 AM PST up reply actions
I was holding out hope for Melky and Keppinger getting shipped somewhere for peanuts.
Even a non-prospect would have been nice.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
i hope you are being sarcastic,,,,
and if you are…well played.
Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.
by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
does anyone know how to
upload a video off of the iphone. i have this hilarious video of whiteside slapping fontenot’s ass for like 12 seconds after fontenot hit a game winning sac fly. it is awesome…
Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.
by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
Yup.
And he hates Shane Victorino. Never forget. The dude won a ring, caught a no-hitter, and hates Shane Victorino. That’s tattoo-worthy, really. But as far as backup catchers go, not so much.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I hope they give him a minor league deal
I don’t think he was in every game shape when Posey went down.
Why do my owners like profit>winning? Championships are the wealthy's bragging rights in Yacht rooms. #RDF can go to #!@%^
by Myemail21479 on Dec 13, 2011 7:59 AM PST up reply actions
LOL FONTENOT x 162!
I will look forward to watching him constantly get shafted when the LOLineups are posted.
It's coming
Pagan CF
Buriss 2B
Fontenot SS
Panda 3B
Pill 1B
Melky LF
Nate RF
H Sanchez C
Why do my owners like profit>winning? Championships are the wealthy's bragging rights in Yacht rooms. #RDF can go to #!@%^
by Myemail21479 on Dec 13, 2011 8:01 AM PST up reply actions
Not that much of a stretch to make this the opening day lineup
What would need to happen:
1. Posey has a setback in his rehab. Probability: Low
2. Sanchez injured. Probability: High.
3a. either Belt has a mediocre or poor ST performance. Probability: Low/Medium
3b. or Pill crushes ST pitching : Low/Medium
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
How can he get shafted when they’ve signed him specifically as a utility guy?
"If it's weird, you know it's probably Wilson's." - Matt Cain
by EliminateMe on Dec 13, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
I know I am probably overworrying
but shouldn’t we have kept Whiteside so they can take is slow with Posey?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
We have Hector Sanchez and Stewart
They are both more useful than Whiteside.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
1. Stewart
2. Sanchez
3. Joseph
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
by bigboneded on Dec 12, 2011 9:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
4. Brenly
5. Dennis Littlejohn
6. Mike Sadek
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Mackey Sasser doesn’t turn 50 until after the All-Star Break.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
It became clear by the end of last season that Stewart preferred Stewart to Whiteside. And if they can make him work, Hector over both of them.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
It’s not surprising that Stewart would prefer Stewart.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
4 out of 5 Stewarts prefer Stewart.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
Only 4 out of 5?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
The 5th Stewart is last picked in kickball
He prefers not to play at all.
Why do my owners like profit>winning? Championships are the wealthy's bragging rights in Yacht rooms. #RDF can go to #!@%^
by Myemail21479 on Dec 13, 2011 8:05 AM PST up reply actions
Because he’s good enough. He’s smart enough. And, gosh dang it, people like him.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
nice
Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.
by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
with Eli's defensive issues last year
I dont’ think you can keep him around over Stewart or Sanchez
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I guess he just got surgery for an elbow problem that was bothering for most of last season.
At his age, though, you can’t really count on a full recovery.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
The elbow would affect his throwing and hitting
The issue of not being able to catch the ball might be another matter
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
lol Eli Downside
It’s the end of an error
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
by bigboneded on Dec 12, 2011 9:04 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Sad to see him go
He was from less than 30 miles from my hometown. The North East Mississippi Daily Journal covered the Giants because of Whiteside.
by Countificus on Dec 13, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
North East Mississippi Daily Journal
This sounds made up!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 13, 2011 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
That is the Tupelo newspaper, where I gre up.
by Countificus on Dec 13, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
Elvis?
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 13, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Dec 12, 2011 9:05 PM PST reply actions
Mhmm.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
by Solidarity on Dec 12, 2011 9:05 PM PST reply actions 11 recs
louisiana FAST!!!!!
Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.
by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
that's the look of a man
who is gainfully employed
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
this is a perfect fit for the news.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Dec 12, 2011 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
Giants motherfucker
mmmmmm mmmmm
Why do my owners like profit>winning? Championships are the wealthy's bragging rights in Yacht rooms. #RDF can go to #!@%^
by Myemail21479 on Dec 13, 2011 8:07 AM PST up reply actions
Eli Whiteside is the most important backup catcher in Giants history.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Runner up: Yorvit Torrealba
If only for his continued campaign of vengeance.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
fix'd
If only for his
continuedunrelenting campaign of vengeance.
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on Dec 12, 2011 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
I may be misremembering
But wasn’t Brian Johnson a backup when we first traded for him?
If so, he was kind of important.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
From August 18 on, he started all but six games.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
in that case
Marcus Jensen, who GOT us Brian Johnson, who killed the Dodgers in 1997.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
I realize that it is irrational
and I realize that the upgrades available were about as bad and likely more expensive, but I really disliked having Whiteside on the team. From the moment he got here, he was too tempting for Bochy.
What about the time Eli pwned Prince Fielder?
That was kinda cool.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Eli did a lot of cool things. Aside from not being good, he was the perfect Giant.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Not unlike Cody Ross...
Dude hits home runs off Roy Halladay.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Whiteside = Benjamin Button
Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.
by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 9:47 AM PST up reply actions
Eli was an enforcer.
He couldn’t really do anything else than be tough. At least he was good at being tough.
Too bad the Giants play baseball and not hockey.
This would have been easier if they non-tendered the shitty player, Burriss.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
But then they would lose out on his versatility. Did you know that he can “play” six positions?
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
They would be wheelin’ it big in the outer-outfield
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 12, 2011 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
If Sabean really believes being in shape and “law of averages” crap, he knows nothing about baseball.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Or usefull ways to spend moeny
Why do my owners like profit>winning? Championships are the wealthy's bragging rights in Yacht rooms. #RDF can go to #!@%^
by Myemail21479 on Dec 13, 2011 8:11 AM PST up reply actions
YOUR 2012 GIANTS: THERE'S LAWS OF AVERAGE INSIDE
Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.
by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
If you put them all together, he still plays none of them well!
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
But Murph needs his washboard ab’s to clean the uniforms!
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Dec 13, 2011 6:05 AM PST up reply actions
Fontenot needs to dye his hair silver and not strike out in honor of his former comarades
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Dec 12, 2011 9:11 PM PST reply actions
I'll always remember Whiteside's pinch running skills
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
by DFARowand on Dec 12, 2011 9:12 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
In memoriam
Gm Date Tm Opp Rslt Inngs PA AB R H BB SO SB CS WPA RE24 Pos
2 Apr 9 SFG ATL W5-4 10-GF(13) 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 -0.126 -0.36 PR C
9 Apr 28 SFG PHI L6-7 11-GF(11) 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0.000 0.00 PR
14 May 11 SFG SDP L2-3 7-GF 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 -0.074 -0.14 PR C
29 Jun 15 SFG BAL L1-4 8-GF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.004 0.06 PR C
32 Jun 22 SFG HOU W3-1 6-GF 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 -0.058 -0.44 PR C
33 Jun 23 SFG HOU L3-6 8-GF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.000 0.00 PR C
35 Jun 29 SFG LAD L2-4 7-9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.000 0.00 PR C
38 Jul 4 SFG COL L3-4 8-GF(15) 3 3 0 0 0 2 0 0 -0.333 -1.07 PR C
43 Jul 25 SFG ARI W3-2 10-GF(10) 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0.000 0.00 PR C
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 12/12/2011.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
by El Person on Dec 12, 2011 9:22 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
All the times he pinch ran? How did you filter it for that?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Ooh, position button. Duh.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Theriot non-tendered by the Cardinals.
McC poll: Swoop?
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
As cute as it would be to reunite Frodo and Sam yet again
I’ll pass.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 12, 2011 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
JohnSheaHey Cardinals just announced they non-tendered SS-2B Ryan Theriot, making him a FA. What a nice possible fit for #SFGiants.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I'd take him over Crawford
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Ouch !
/ wouldn’t mind “The Riot” on the roster though.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I'd take him over Burriss.
Price would have to be right, though. Like, non-roster invitee cheap.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I'd take Royce Clayton
Not Royce Clayton in the past, the current 45 year old Royce Clayton, over Burriss
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
I'd take the bones of Honus Wagner over Burriss
Hell, I’d take Johnnie LeMaster over Burriss.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
literally the same career OPS+
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
The Disaster was absolutely, mind-boggling infuriating to watch at the ‘Stick in the 70’s . Fucking grounders between his legs time and time again. God, I hated that guy
I read Johnny LeMastter
and my blood ran cold. Gaaah! Hands of stone.
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
I just noticed that, by OPS+, Emmanuel Burriss is (slightly) worse than Brad Wellman.
I think I might cry.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
He still beats Kimothy Batiste.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
A manequin with a bat taped to its hands probably would, too.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
LeMaster was bad at one position
Burriss is bad everywhere!
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
He makes money, so he's out of the Giants price range.
Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.
by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
DFARowand
You’d take him over Crawford… WOW! you really do your homework there fella
17 errors at SS in 91 games
Boy you really know your Baseball!!!!!
-1.7 career UZR/150 at shortstop
That said, his numbers have been really bad the last two years, so he may have declined. Alternately, it may just be a result of diminished playing time there.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
An all-cajun Fonteriot SS platoon would be cromulent.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
IT WORKED FOR THE CUBS!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 13, 2011 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe we can use the Beltran money for him.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
maybe we shouldnt have resigned Bochy and Sabean to extensions
it is sad when extending our manager and GM is probably a top 5 off-season signing.
Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.
by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
he was at 0.0 rWAR last year
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
0.7 fWAR
with -0.1 the year before
I dont see it.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
HE'S THE RIGHT-HANDED BAT WE NEED
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
0.7 is a positive number
Ergo, better than Manny Burriss
I'm just a simple Giants fan trying to make my way in the universe.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Dec 12, 2011 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
He had a 0.7 fWAR!
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
It's fun to imagine fWAR as a lightsaber noise.
fWAR fWAR
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
the coffers are empty
sheesh, he’d be asking for Fontenot money, AT LEAST! What, do you think this organization is made of money? As if! We can’t afford to be free-wheeling big spenders like the Yankees, Angels, or Marlins.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Dec 12, 2011 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
Off-season is closed!!!
You kids go run on home now!!!
Boo
by LosGigantesTodoElTiempo on Dec 12, 2011 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
Theriot batted .271 last year
Theriot batted ..271 last year, up from 2010 and is a .282 career hitter. Do we have a shortstop who can bat like that? Plus, he’s a world series champion! He made $3 million last year, which the Cards thought was too much. He played 35 games at Second last year (91 at short), so he could back up Freddy, too. Theriot wasn’t on my radar, but Giants might at least think about him if Crawford could use some time in Fresno
But how many RBIs did he have?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
47 RBI would have ranked 4th on 2011 Giants
His 47 RBI would have ranked 4th on 2011 Giants behind Pablo, Huff, and Ross! To think Huff was #2 on the team in RBIs in 2011 and Ross was #3 tells you how bad this offense was! Theriot batted in 47 in 442 ABs while Crawford had 21 RBIs in 196 ABs — an RBI every 9.4 at bats, while Crawford had an RBI every 9.3 at bats. Sigh.
lol
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I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
RBIs are dead 'round these parts
like 8 track players.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
team OBP
Cardinals: .341
Giants: .303
Think that might have something to do with RBI totals!?
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
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How many HRs?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Crawford looks a lot more powerful after considering Theriot
Theriot had one home run — 1/3 as many as Crawford in more than twice the at bats. I’ve always liked our Crawford and now I see he looks pretty good compared to Theriot
He also had a below-average OBP; his career year was built on a .339 BABIP and a high walk rate, both of which have shrunk notably. And he’s a below average defensive shortstop. He’s not really a candidate to be an everyday player. If signed, he should be used as a backup or platoon player, primarily at second base.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
So essentially Keppinger
Except he can field.
I'm just a simple Giants fan trying to make my way in the universe.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Dec 12, 2011 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
OBP will be about the same unless he has a bounce-back year. Keppinger’s OBP will never be better than league-average because of his refusal to take a walk. Also, Theriot gives you depth at short even though you don’t want to start him there. Probably cheaper than Keppinger would be, too.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Yeah
Still not necessarily someone we’d want on the 25, but if that’s what it takes to get a backup infielder, so be it. Better him then Keppinger IMO (since he plays at least a passable shortstop).
I'm just a simple Giants fan trying to make my way in the universe.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Dec 12, 2011 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
Not really passable. But as I said upthread, I’d take him over Burriss if it’s for $1 or less.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Hahaha.
$1 million or less, I mean.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
BATTING AVERAGE!! RIB EYES!!! STRAW HATS!! BARSTOOLS!! STOP WATCHES!!!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 13, 2011 7:45 AM PST up reply actions
He makes money, so he's out of the Giants price range.-Every6thDAy
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
Eli Whiteside
- rad hair
- on the WS team
- got in Victorino’s face
- wore the Greatful Dead Giants shirt to the parade
- caught no hitter
Not much to do with baseball other than the last one, but he was a cool Giant. Peace out Whiteside.
It’s the Grateful Dead. Also see: The Dead, Furthur.
I will always remember seeing Whiteside at the Widespread Panic show in Oakland on Saturday night. Thinking he must have tomorrow off. But he didn’t. Oops.
Hahahaha.
Of course he would be at a Widespread Panic concert.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
He and his wife are big WSP fans
It is a southern thing
by Countificus on Dec 13, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
It is also a hippie thing.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I know
I saw them over 100 times in the 90’s
by Countificus on Dec 13, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
More of a Southern Rock thing IMHO. The Dead and Phish are the “Hippy Thing.” Widespread Panic is rock and roll.
I think some people would regard them as a jam band, which would group them with the likes of Phish and the Dead. Ditto for Umphree’s McGee, much as I would also regard them as rock.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
As much as I hate the term Jam Band this is true. Never seen Umphree’s McGee myself but they seem almost in the realm of OAR which I haven’t seen either. They all get lumped in the Jam Band thing. I guess Allman Brothers would be in there too? The Warren vs Derek guitarmaggedon is insane.
Having seen a fair # of Panic shows around the nation, there is definitely a Hippy element at most shows. More so in the south. Although I saw Furthur a few times last year, wow, serious hippy hang out. Music was great though. Brought me back to my college days.
OMG YOU GUYS! WE DID IT!
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
WOOOOOOOOOOO!
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Dec 12, 2011 9:15 PM PST reply actions
D'Backs Tendered a contract Ryan Roberts. Every team needs a guy with a neck tat.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
He was their national treasure, or something.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
They also non-tendered Micah Owings. Sadly, he probably hits better Burris.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
C'mon
Al Reach, who played for the 1871 Philadelphia A’s and has been dead since 1928, would hit better than Burriss.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Well maybe
Only because a dead guy lying on the ground has a pretty tight strike zone.
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
And if this is the one freaking time that Bochy sticks with the rookie through thick and thin at the expense of the veteran behind him, well, at least it will be ironic.
We all know this is going to happen. Bochy will just have this smirk on his face all season when asked why he isn’t playing rookies (and reporters will be meaning Belt), and Bochy will be all like “Whaddya mean, I’m playin’ Crawford, [muttergrumblemutter unintelligible Bochy-ism].”
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Dec 12, 2011 9:22 PM PST reply actions
What if something even weirder happens
and Crawford doesn’t suck. Or if the rest of the team hits and it doesn’t matter. Then we can enjoy his defense without guilt!
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I love the fact that you are so unabashedly driving the Crawford Bandwagon.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I'm just a sucker for a good SS glove.
And pitching. I love pitching.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Next year, Crawford is going to come into spring training looking like Julian Tavarez
And then his glove won’t seem to matter as much.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 13, 2011 7:47 AM PST up reply actions
/shrug
I just don’t remember all of this love for Brian Bocock and he is the exact same player.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 13, 2011 8:27 AM PST up reply actions
They’re not the same player, when Bocock was called up he hadn’t played above A+ and he had only hit .220 there. Crawford mashed for a month in A+ then had two subpar seasons in AA.
WWRWD?
Crawford had nearly a .500 BABIP in A+.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Mostly, I would guess, due to the .371 average driven by the .493 BABIP.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
his high BABIP was likely the result of him hitting everything hard, obviously he wouldn’t have kept that up for the whole season, but you can’t just disregard it and say he’s Brian Bocock.
WWRWD?
They really aren't
I don’t remember Bocock’s defense being nearly as good as Crawford’s…although that’s admittedly subjective.
What isn’t subjective is that Bocock has a career minor league OPS of .603. His best season ever was .656 across two levels. He hits for no power at all (.307 SLG). Crawford at least has enough pop to get the ball out of the infield.
"If it's weird, you know it's probably Wilson's." - Matt Cain
I’m silently riding in the backseat of this car. I pray to the great Will Clark in the sky that Crawford hits .245 and things work out.
I like Fontenot too though so it’s all good. It’s not like I’ll have to see Tejada or Ocab (which made me like Crawford). Maybe I just need a year to recalibrate my Giants Shortshop acceptability line.
It'll always matter
Even if the rest of the team hits, it won’t change his value.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Not if they win another championship!
However, that’s about the only scenario in which it wouldn’t matter.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
That or they sign Yuniesky Betancourt.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 12, 2011 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
this is happening
MOON LANDING? BEAR GRYLLS!
by Anonymous1337 on Dec 12, 2011 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
Rowand's greatest service as a Giant
extrabaggs Andrew Baggarly
Regarding Aaron Rowand to the Marlins, more than one tweep suggests he could beat out Scott Cousins for a roster spot. #mindblown
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Unlike Scott Cousins, there is actually a legitimate reason for Giants fans to not like Rowand.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 12, 2011 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
I'm hoping Rowand beats Cousins
So that when we play the Marlins, Rowand spends time sucking and Cousins spends time not injuring Buster Posey.
I'm just a simple Giants fan trying to make my way in the universe.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Dec 12, 2011 9:52 PM PST up reply actions
I dread the first Marlins game. We are going to be forced to watch that hit over and over and over and over
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 12, 2011 9:57 PM PST up reply actions
I don't recall Rowand needlessly breaking Posey's leg
fuck Scott Cousins
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
Flags Fly Forever
"Orlando before Zod" doesn't have the same nice ring to it.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 12, 2011 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
Scott vs Scott
Gonna be an epic battle for sure
I want to see an image for this in the style of wcw vs.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
And if he makes the roster the giants don’t have to pay him what the marlins are paying him right? So the RDF owners pockets would be about half a million dollars deeper
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Dec 13, 2011 6:09 AM PST up reply actions
If Rowand makes the Marlins roster, the Giants save $500K. Midseason upgrades!!!
"When the Giants call up a 21-year-old Venezuelan catcher who started the year in San Jose, was hitting well with poor plate discipline, but wasn't on Baseball America's preseason list of the organization's 30 best prospects, only good things can happen."
Congratulations, Hector!
LOL This is just what they want
For the fans to get excited about the Giants deciding to bring back Fontenot instead of signing an actual upgrade.
If only Giants fans were more demanding. I’m not talking specifically the McC community, but the less informed fans who mostly populate AT&T.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
Call me crazy, but.....
I’m pretty sure the decision to bring back Fontenot and pass on Keppinger had about 0.00% to do with fan reaction. And the “less informed fans who mostly populate AT&T” have better things to be doing the second week of December than hanging out on the interwebs to find out who the 23rd or 24th man on the 2012 roster will be.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 13, 2011 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
...huh, account hacked much?
gerritcole Gerrit Cole
Considering quitting baseball to smoke weed. Fuck it
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
by scout6 on Dec 12, 2011 9:35 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Crawford’s sister is suck a scamp.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
by Solidarity on Dec 12, 2011 9:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
God I wish McC had a delete button.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Science
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
by El Person on Dec 12, 2011 9:37 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
I’d propaganda it and shrink it to 60 to 100 games.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
burris gotta go
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
by El Person on Dec 12, 2011 10:15 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
What is this F stat you’ve mentioned twice now?
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Why use it as opposed to something more standard?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Ok, I guess I meant, why use an f test to compare two distributions as opposed to a t test? Apologies if f stat and f test aren’t the same thing.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
This is two distributions? I thought it was a toy, and I was teasing EP. But if you must, it’s count data with a rate response. The F tells you if there’s a linear relationship.
No, no, no, I’m asking hypothetically about comparing two distributions.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I looked up F test on wikipedia.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
seems about right
It is most often used when comparing statistical models that have been fit to a data set, in order to identify the model that best fits the population from which the data were sampled. Exact F-tests mainly arise when the models have been fit to the data using least squares.
BUT...
Law of Averages!
[Poorly Wrought THING] is what Brian Sabean would have made if he were a [THING-maker] instead of a MLB GM
best shape of his life
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
No matter how hard I try, I still read this as “Font-eyes.”
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Yeah, it does look like that now that you mention it.
The Fonts have eyes
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 12, 2011 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
Yuniesky Betancourt
Baggs:
While it’s assumed the Giants are done adding to their 2012 roster, Evans said the club would explore the list of non-tenders from other clubs.
"We’ll be actively looking," Evans said.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
Free agent, not a non-tender.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Yes, but it’s safe to assume that they will literally be looking at the list of the people who were not tendered contracts as of tonight vs. the free agents who’ve already filed such paperwork or received that designation weeks ago.
I see, he meant they’ll be looking to see who is now available.
Scrape heap hunt.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 12, 2011 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
They are all free agents, but he is not a non-tender. Given that Alex Gonzalez agreed with the Brewers several days ago, the Giants have known for at least that long that Milwaukee would pay Betancourt’s $2M buyout.
My point is that the quote mentions non-tenders, which Betancourt is not.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Does that preclude a cheap deal.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 12, 2011 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
?
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 12, 2011 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
louisiana FAST!!!
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
I think what this means most of all is that they have some money to spend.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 12, 2011 9:52 PM PST up reply actions
Right into the pockets of ownership
Baggs:
–Aaron Rowand signed a minor league contract with Miami. The Giants are responsible for the remainder of his $12 million salary. They would be relieved of paying just $480,000 (the major league minimum) if Rowand makes the Marlins’ big league roster.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
You mean we need to root for Rowand making the team to free up 480k for mid season trades, etc.? Ouch.
That money could go towards the budget but there’s also this to consider:
Baggs:
In the past, former managing partner Bill Neukom described the payroll as a placeholder. Sabean had the leeway to come to ownership and ask for a bump if he could justify spending it on a significant player.
Sabean said that understanding is not the current mode. There will be no special disbursements.
Is it considered a special disbursement or a part of the established budget?
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 12, 2011 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
I know we have a top-10 payroll and all
But this kind of shit from ownership is just so maddening and baffling.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
It’s not that they aren’t spending money. They are spending money wrong.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Well, and it’s also that they’re pleading poverty when they clearly aren’t poor, and raising prices at the same time. That shit’s just bad PR.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Over two seasons, they'll have increased payroll by 30%
You might call setting an expense budget and deciding to stick to it “pleading poverty”. I call it business.
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
if this was being run like an actual business
they would find some way to package the toxic contract of a Barry Zito into a triple-A rated CDO and sell it to some unsuspecting foreigner.
but seriously they need to realize that there is about a 4 year window in which the giants have a legitimate chance to win a championship and that winning championships results in more money. They would also need to realize that trading away top prospects for 2 month rentals that they have no intention of signing is bad business. This new ownership group blows. Bring back the bow-tie.
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
Mo money
I wonder what kind of money championships are worth.
You get some postseason gate revenues, better gates at home and on the road the next year, better merchandise sales… what else? Any better TV money? Is it worth $30 million more to win a WS vs. just make the playoffs?
There’s probably a study out there, that’s why I wonder out loud.
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
That would be Sabean’s fault, not ownerships. Unless Sabean was told to bring Affeldt back, which I could see being the case.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 12, 2011 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
I have a really bad feeling ownership (Larry Baer) will force Sabean to give Brian Wilson a long-term deal.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
In one of the first interviews Larry Baer gave after being named Neukom’s successor he called Wilson a “genius”.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 12, 2011 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
He is. He’s marketed himself in such a way that fans will be pissed if you let him go, so long as he continues to pitch well. He makes money with endorsement, and will make more than he deserves in free agency.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I could see the Giants giving him Papelbon money, which would really suck.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
…and letting Romo go
…and Romo being a significantly better closer thereafter
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Theoretically, this is how I see Cain and Lincecum.
Cain would be the better long term choice, but Lincecum is viewed as more important to the team as he’s the face of the franchise. Can they, should they keep both?
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 12, 2011 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
look at matt moore form TB
they need to do that with Bumgarner now!!!!
Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.
by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
It’s 2 years and a world series win too late.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 13, 2011 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
its never too late
we need to get him locked up ASAP!!!
Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.
by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
You can get him locked up, but it’s too late to do a deal like TB did with Matt Moore.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 13, 2011 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
But what if he’s a ticking injury bomb waiting to blow somewhere down the line?
You can’t commit a deal to someone like that. Not to mention his velocity is dropping.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 12, 2011 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
Larry Baer sees it as a marketing thing. If people aren’t buying the fake beards, they probably won’t commit to 4 years.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
You guys appear to be misunderstanding my point. Regardless of his ability as a pitcher, Wilson has made himself a fan favorite. That’s leverage. Baer acknowledges this.
That doesn’t mean Baer things Wilson is worth $12M a year. It means Baer admits that Wilson is, in fact, being quite shrewd.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
That is the reason why I fear he’ll get that sort of deal. Baer sees it as a marketing tool.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I promise you. The Giants are not making as much on Wilson as it is inflating his price tag, and the Giants know it.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I don’t know if they are that smart.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
You don’t wind up with as much money as the owner’s group without knowing a thing or two about business. I’ll put an iota of faith in Baer’s degree from Harvard Business School.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
What about the one George Bush got from HBS?
Whoops. Too close to flirting in the champagne room.
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 12, 2011 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know
I question people like Jeffrey Loria or the Wilpons or the McCourts.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
You're assuming McCourt had intentions other than....
…leveraging a parking lot in Boston into the purchase of a valuable franchise from which he could siphon off money to fund a lavish lifestyle.
From everything I’ve read, he was pretty good at doing the above, but just didn’t factor in the effects a divorce would have on his plans
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2008/2009 showed that the effect of the new stadium was wearing off. It was only because of the World Series that tickets started selling well again. If not for that, they’d have players like Zito and Rowand to be remember for.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 12, 2011 11:05 PM PST up reply actions
2008/2009 showed that they were fielding losing teams. They drafted well and built a competitive team again, despite payroll temporary payroll contraction.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Yeah, and their offense was just good enough to win in 2010. But they got really lucky:
Huff was Sabean’s third choice for the position. Ross was picked up to block him going to the Padres. Burrell was picked up after being released by Tampa and only chose the Giants over the Padres because he grew up a fan.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 12, 2011 11:20 PM PST up reply actions
Huff and Burrell were low-risk, high-reward investments. Also signed on the cheap: Uribe, Torres, Vogelsong. These were the ones who panned out. Dontrelle Willis, Jeff Suppan, Wellemeyer, and Kim did not. That’s why you make those investments. Sometimes, the pan out, and that’s where you get good value.
Nobody wins a championship without some luck. But Sandoval, Cain, Posey, Bumgarner, and Lincecum weren’t exactly miracles.
TL;DR version: “lucky” is a lame excuse, and pretty comically off-point by now.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
First base and left field are usually filled by offensive oriented players. Without Huff and Burrell, and Ross’ play in the postseason, the Giants don’t win anything.
This wasn’t part of ownerships plan. This wasn’t part of Sabean’s plan. These were huge holes on the team going into 2010. It was an act of negligence by ownership to have not done a better job in addressing these very important areas. We can see now what happens when they aren’t addressed by looking at how poorly the Giants did offensively in 2009 and 2011.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 12, 2011 11:34 PM PST up reply actions
The Giants’ offense in 2009 was that bad. The 2011 Giants, on the other hand, were historically unlucky.
I’m going to stop responding to broad speculation and false corollaries now before I run out of civility.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
So Huff’s performance was unlucky? Torres was a career minor leaguer before he joined the Giants and wasn’t getting any younger. Ross was let go by the Marlins for a reason. Burrell was released by the Rays for a reason. Tejada was no longer a shortstop. They lost Posey, but gained Pablo back.
I see a lot of unwise decisions by Sabean and ownership in this.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 12, 2011 11:55 PM PST up reply actions
Just because you see them doesn’t make them true. Perception is not reality.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Do you want me to present the stats of these players before they joined the Giants?
It was not smart of Sabean and ownership to have bet on these players repeating or playing well enough to give the team the offense they needed.
Even Posey may have been mishandled. There were articles published before his injury of how he was being worn down at the position early in the 2011 season and the general risks involved in having him play there.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 12:06 AM PST up reply actions
I’m not going to try and explain positional value to you. It’s clear this is going nowhere.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Yes, I’m aware Posey’s value is higher because of the position he plays, but he’s also a human being susceptible to wear and tear.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 12:17 AM PST up reply actions
This is not to say that Posey injury could have been foreseen but here:
He has taken several foul tips off the mask and body this season. Twelve days ago, he took back-to-back tips off his mask, had his bell rung and came out of the game as a precaution. A few days later, he took a hard foul off his upper thigh. He has taken at least two zingers off his throwing shoulder.
Yet, though Posey has been hitting well recently, his power is down. The team’s clean-up man has 81 at-bats since his last home run.
Is the job wearing him down?
More importantly, what’s up with those foul tips, all the misguided missiles that make this discussion necessary.
Good job taking care of your rookie of the year. A young catcher who converted at a late stage and they run him out there everyday like everything will be fine.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 12:16 AM PST up reply actions
Breaking News
Buster Posey plays the catcher position. He wouldn’t be the rookie of the year if played anywhere else.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Yes, but if you recall he eased into it. First he started in Fresno to continue developing the skills, then he played first base for the Giants after being called up, then he shared time with Whiteside, and then he started.
Anyways, the issue is that there were warning signs in 2011. Just look at Joe Mauer and how he turned out.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 12:28 AM PST up reply actions
Joe Mauer’s situation was aggravated by the fact that he is 6’5". And he still played six full seasons at catcher.
Many of Posey’s issues could be alleviated by him switching mask styles. And the only reason they played Posey at first base was to get his bat in the lineup. Of his 108 games in 2010, 76 were behind the dish. Once Molina was gone, he caught pretty much every day.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Yes, Mauers situation is unique, but my point was that catchers play a physically demanding position that can cause varying degrees of harmful effects. It’s a position that isn’t right for everyone.
The only reason Molina was re-signed for 2010 was because they believed Posey wasn’t ready for the catching duties. Posey was a September call up the previous year.
Didn’t Posey switch to the goalie mask and had been using it for 2011? It provided more protection, right?
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 12:43 AM PST up reply actions
He said the goalie mask is the only type of mask he’s ever worn. It provides more protection to the ears and chin, but does not disperse impact from foul tips in the way that a breakaway mask does. Had he been wearing the old style mask, it’s likely that he would not have been suffering concussion-like symptoms.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
This appears to be true
“He’s never worn the other mask, and I was talking to him during the course of the game, that maybe in spring training we can make that transition,” Bochy said.
By then, of course, it might be too late, and Posey could be on the season-ending DL with concussion symptoms. But that doesn’t mean he’s going to try and make the swap mid-season.
“Everything trainers and doctors have told me is that shock absorption is equal on both styles of masks,” Posey said. “I’d be open to it, but I think it’d be something I’d wait to do until next spring training.”
But they should have forced the change upon him. What if he didn’t want to wear a chest protector? Young players need to be told the proper ways of doing things.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 1:08 AM PST up reply actions
You can't blame management for everthing
This thread makes it sound like management is somehow responsible for Posey’s leg injury because he took some balls of his mask and the team didn’t make him switch masks?…c’mon
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You can’t blame management for everything
And I’m not. I’m also blaming ownership as well.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
He missed the poi? He must not have been hungry.
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You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Well it’s not my fault if he perceived my posts in the thread as an attempt to blame the front office for Posey’s injury.
Here was what I originally wrote:
Even Posey may have been mishandled.
That was my original point with regards to Posey. That he might have been mishandled.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
Why stop there?
Even Posey may have been mishandled. There were articles published before his injury of how he was being worn down
implied
This is not to say that Posey injury could have been foreseen but here:
not sayin’ just sayin’
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 13, 2011 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
He’s not saying it’s management’s fault. He’s saying it management AND ownership’s fault. Totally different.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Not with regards to Posey’s.
And I never said the leg injury had anything to with their handling.
I also never wrote that it was a definitive poor handling, just that it could have been
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
Not with regards to Posey’s handling
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
I find your staunch disinterest in anything more concrete than speculation kind of alarming.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
This accusation is merely speculative.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Yeah, but does it factor age?
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
LOL Misrepresentation.
You can’t use a blanket approach to project someone like Huff. This was my point.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
Because Huff is such a unique and beautiful snowflake? All those other first basemen are easily classified and projected, but not Huff, he’s special?
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 13, 2011 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
Really? I posted quotes to back up some of my arguments.
Did you?
Neither of us knows the organization from the inside, so all we really can do is speculate.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
Block quoting isn’t evidence. In fact, you took it upon yourself to post some of my alluded evidence for me, just in case I missed it.
I don’t need to know the color of Sabean’s underwear to know that Huff is a career .279/.342/.466 hitter, and has posted OPSes of .850 or better five times over the course of his career. To allow within the realm of possibility that he could produce something relatively cromulent in 2012 doesn’t really require footnotes and a thesis statement.
Furthermore, your assertion that “playing catcher tends to hurt and shorten careers” can be filed next to “water is wet.” You say “mishandled” like it was somehow an objective state of being. They made him their starting catcher, the position which he was drafted for. You want mishandled, go look at Brandon Belt. Jeezy Creezy.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
The block quotes are meant to support assertions, whether by myself or someone else.
There’s no point in continuing to debate Huff’s performance for next season because we have no true way of knowing until he actually does.
This is going nowhere now.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
It was never going anywhere in the first place, because a platform of “but what if?” is the equivalent of treading water. The only real assertion you did make, which is that the organization mishandled Posey, is based on two questions asked by Baggarly in his quasi-journalistic blog that doesn’t provide any answers.
Just to review in case you forgotten, I suggested that Huff’s career numbers left it within the realm of possibility that he could earn his contract without parting the Red Sea. You expressed firm skepticism that he could be anything other than replacement level owing to a number of nebulous factors that cannot be measured in any way. Somewhere in the middle, you talked about Barry Zito working off his paycheck, as though he had gone into a dugout store and knocked over some dishware.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Barry Zito working off his paycheck, as though he had gone into a dugout store and knocked over some dishware.
I can’t stop laughing about this part.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 13, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
but what if?
Total distortion of my approach. I provided quotes, with the subjects discussing the issue of topic. There are other articles that I could have provided.
As for Huff, he was the worst everyday first baseman last season. This is not disputable.
Zito is fulfilling his obligations to the organization by going out and pitching. That’s all I was referring to. They pay him to play. Performance is not a determinant of his compensation.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
As for Huff, he was the worst everyday first baseman last season. This is not disputable.
The same was pretty much true in ‘09. And ’05 and ’06. If anything it establishes that you don’t know what you’re going to get from Huff. I cite numerous sources forecasting some regression, which you disregard because he’s special, apparently. Yeah, it really boils down to “what if.” I cited evidence, and you waved your hands in the air and made wibbly wobbly noises.
As for Zito, he is fulfilling his obligations to the organization because if he didn’t, it would be a breach of contract and he’d get taken to court. What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
No it doesn’t boil down to “what if” because Huff had by far the worst season of his career last year. He’s also at an age where most players start to rapidly decline.
The Zito part was a clarification on my original point. All I was saying was that he’d technically be fulfilling his obligation to the team by playing when they wanted him to, that’s it. You made it into the whole issue over whether he was earning his money through production.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
Gotcha. So Zito is fulfilling his obligation in the same way that catcher is a dangerous position. Another ambiguity sorted.
As for Huff, go look at his numbers. 2001 and 2009 wer worse, and 2005 was close. If you take out the defensive knock he took from his 13-game misadventure in right field last year, he rated as an above-average defender. Such an adjustment would bring him back to 0.2 WAR, which is right in line with 2005.
2001, 2005, and 2009… those season I’ve been mentioning this whole time. He’s in his decline period, but statistical modeling like ZiPS would indicate that he isn’t at the cratering stage of his career as weighed against players of comparable type. You’d know that if you didn’t disregard the evidence to suit your tunnel vision.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Zito is fulfilling his duties by playing when told to. And the catcher position is physically demanding and can be dangerous at times. This isn’t disputable.
I believe being traded to the Tigers played a big part in Huff’s poor performance that season. He went from a non-contender to a contender in the middle of the season and was depended on to produce. At the same time he was feeling stressed over the fact that he would become a free agent after the season and that he hadn’t been showing much value.
as weighed against players of comparable type
LOL I didn’t know Huff fit into a type. He is one of the more unique players in the game it seems, mostly because of bad reasons.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
At the same time he was feeling stressed….
This is why Huff smokes cigarettes.
Your theory is invalid.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 13, 2011 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
Fielded in order:
Paragraph one: Congratulations, we’ve established the obvious.
Paragraph two: Once again, baseless speculation with next to zero predictive value.
Paragraph three: According to B-R, the top ten similar players to Huff through age 34: George Hendrick, Torii Hunter, WIllie Horton, Don Baylor, Dusty Baker, Jose Guillen, Jermaine Dye, Ruben Sierra, and Bobby Thompson. Of those ten, eight of them had seasons after the age of 34 with production roughly as good or better than the line I offered earlier of .275/.350/.440.
ZiPS and Bill James can’t quantify if a player drinks on a Tuesday night, but they can do a thing or three with numbers. It’s frankly a more practical approach than abstract exceptionalism.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
They have that?
Giants dishware? !iwannagetthatIwannagetthatIwannagetthat…
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Read the thread more closely
Goofus was referring to Posey’s leg injury. Solidarity and I had a discussion on the foul tips.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
huff was unluckily in terrible shape.
Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.
by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
The shrewd thing to do is for Baer to let Wilson go just like the Cardinals did with Pujols.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 12, 2011 10:57 PM PST up reply actions
Magowan told him to pick up Affeldt’s option.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 13, 2011 9:12 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
LOL
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 13, 2011 9:13 AM PST up reply actions
I love this meme.
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
Always in the background, scheming...
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 13, 2011 9:21 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Look at Baer's face!
The hate for Neukom is clearly visible!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 13, 2011 9:24 AM PST up reply actions
It's not hatred.
Neukom clearly just ripped a fart and the other two are having to wear it.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 13, 2011 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
i thought that too.
gross, but probably true.
Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.
by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
Now how will you get to work?!
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
We'll see how kind they are when I sic Condi on them!
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Condi is a Giants fan?
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
by calgiants86 on Dec 13, 2011 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
Stanford alum, her mother taught Willie Mays IIRC.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 13, 2011 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
Stanford professor, too.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I knew about the Stanfurd part, I just had no idea she was a Giants fan.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
by calgiants86 on Dec 13, 2011 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah not sure about her level of “fandom.”
I was at the game a few years ago when she was sitting with the owners group. The television broadcast (we were in the club for a while and saw it) went on and on and ON about her being there, cutting over frequently and showing her between almost every at bat.
I bet with the folks we were seated that they wouldn’t put her on the screen at the ballpark for fear of her getting boo’d by 20-30,000.
I won the bet.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 13, 2011 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
Neukum totally just laid a nasty one.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Dec 13, 2011 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
doh. I should read more.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 13, 2011 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
GAME OF BOX SEAT THRONES !!
/ or GOBST if you prefer
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Just one free agent upgrade is all I wanted from them.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 12, 2011 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
Hey now, we got upgrades
The problem is that we got extremely minor upgrades for an extremely major problem. However, keep in mind that we also got a major upgrade at C.
I'm just a simple Giants fan trying to make my way in the universe.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Dec 12, 2011 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t consider Melky Cabrera and Angel Pagan upgrades, even minor, over Beltran and Torres.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 12, 2011 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
Oh my Tebow, thank you for reminding me how terrible the Giants are going to be next year.
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 12, 2011 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
Final score: Phillies 1, Giants 0 on an Chase Utley solo homer off of Tim Lincecum. Phillies with 1 run on 1 hit and 0 errors. Giants with 0 runs on 3 hits and 1 error.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Rowand had twice as many PAs as Beltran for the Giants last season
Pagan and Torres are pretty much a wash, but do you not consider Melky an upgrade over Rowand?
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My personal feeling is that he is going to be a similar type of hitter as Rowand.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 13, 2011 8:23 AM PST up reply actions
Between defense and bat, I think they’re going to be pretty similar in value.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Career slash lines
Melky: .275 .331 .398
Rownads: .273 .330 .435
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 13, 2011 8:29 AM PST up reply actions
Exactly
Even ‘Nads’ crappy time with the Giants represented a .057 difference between his OBP and his batting average. Melky’s career difference between his OBP and BA is .056.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 13, 2011 9:09 AM PST up reply actions
As you wish
UZR/150
Aaron Rowand: 7.7
Melky Cabrera: -4.8
LOL GIANTS
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 13, 2011 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
Goofus, I was just referring to the players themselves and what they could bring to the team if they played a full season.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
When you factor Zito and Rowand, we're not really a top-ten payroll.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
This
Rowand’s signing was understandable. A lot of teams have one bad contract on the books.
But if you look at the numbers Zito put up in 2006 with the A’s, and his stat trends, only an idiot would have done that deal.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 12, 2011 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
I didn’t understand Rowand’s signing.
Well, actually, that’s not true: I understood that the Giants wanted Rowand more because his public image was the exact opposite of Barry Bonds than because he was actually good or filled a real need.
But I don’t think that’s very understandable.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Why in the hell are you up at this hour?
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
it's finals week
and I just finished revising my final paper for one of my classes (Slave Narratives and Neo-Slave Narratives). So now I’m winding down and goofing off for a bit before I go to bed.
Then tomorrow, I have a take-home final for the same class to do, which involves writing two short essays, one of which has to be about a novel we read at the beginning of the semester that made no impression on me and which I have nothing to say about…sigh. Grad school, hooray!
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
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I’m not saying anything abougt the signings. I’m saying that you’re getting effectively zero value from the two of them. You take those two off the books, and we’re back at $100M, which is Cardinals/Braves territory. Top of the middle of the pack.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Totally true. Though, Zito will technically be earning his money as the 5th starter in the rotation next season.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 12, 2011 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
Not if he doesn’t generate value. If he returns to being a 4-4.25 ERA kind of guy who pitches 180 innings, he’ll be worth a couple of wins. If he continues to throw 82-84, he’s a sunk cost.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
No, I mean he’ll be fulfilling his contract by going out and pitching games.
Unless you meant they’ll release him if he blows again this season when his fastball tops out at 84mph.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 12, 2011 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
If he tops out at 84, he will either not be pitching or will be actually hurting the Giants by being on the field.
This isn’t the SATs. You don’t get 200 points just for signing your name.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
So you’re saying they’ll release him?
He could still go to the pen to work off his money.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 12, 2011 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
No, he couldn’t. If his ceiling is as a 2-win player as a starter, then he will still be earning less than half the value of his contract when you factor the inevitable $8M buyout after the 2013 season. Given how he has aged, this is unlikely.
If he is not decent, the Giants are better off paying him $18 million not to occupy a roster spot at all.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
has anyone ever considered that he ginats really only need a long reliever for when Zito starts?
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
It gets even worse when you think about the likelihood that Huff and Wilson will yield a fraction of what they will be paid next year.
2.5 wins is an attainable goal for Huff. 2-ish wins is an attainable goal for Wilson, but a bit more of a reach.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
When does Huff’s age come into play with these projections? He’s going to retire eventually, isn’t he?
I mean, a beer drinking cigarette smoking guy like Huff can’t have much further to go.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 12, 2011 11:01 PM PST up reply actions
This reminds me of Pat the Bat
but he will never stop, no matter his age.
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by Giant_in_la_area on Dec 12, 2011 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
If you are vaguely competent with the bat and aren’t a butcher with the glove, 2.5 wins isn’t exactly moving mountains at 1B/LF. He’d get 20+ batting runs for putting together 600 at-bats. If he hits around league average, he’s a 2-win player. It’s well within reason.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
He was the worst everyday first base in baseball last season.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 12, 2011 11:23 PM PST up reply actions
And one of the best two years ago.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
But that’s why age needs to be considered. Has his bat slowed? Has his physical abilities declined overall to the point where he no longer can perform as he did in 2010?
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 12, 2011 11:38 PM PST up reply actions
He was also one of the worth in 2009. And won a Silver Slugger in 2008.
In other words, he could be worth between 0 and 6 wins next year. Zero wins is the more likely extreme, but if he splits the difference he will be worth $12 million.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Nobody but the Giants wanted him after his performance in 2009.
He was -0.6 fWAR in 2011. You can’t really be serious with this 2 win stuff.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 12, 2011 11:59 PM PST up reply actions
ZiPS and Bill James both project him within striking distance. I’m not exactly bullish on him, but it would not be the least bit surprising if he hit .275/.350/.440. He’s demonstrated the aptitude in the past, and has rebounded from lousy seasons more than once before.
Again, it might not be the most likely outcome, but it’s hardly crazy. If you can’t wrap your head around it, frankly that’s not my problem.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Bill James has him at 1.1 fWAR.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 12:11 AM PST up reply actions
That’s the fan rating. Bill James doesn’t give a value because he doesn’t project defensive numbers.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Here’s the ZIPS:
In Huff’s case, I might as well throw it out the window. It’s computer based and doesn’t take into account the age factor.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 12:22 AM PST up reply actions
Aha, the crux of the issue.
“I dislike what it says, so I will just disregard it.”
ZiPS generates its projection values based on growth and decline curves based on player type. It factors age, and has hundreds more data points than “look at his 2011!” That is is very close to James’ prediction would seem to lend it some credibility.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Yes, but each player ages differently. Do they have access to Huff’s medicals? Do they know his habits and daily routines? Did they gauge his bat speed at the end of the season?
These projections have limitations. They require more data in order to properly project a player like Huff.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 12:35 AM PST up reply actions
They predict as accurately as any other system available to the public. They have fewer limitations than speculating blindly on Huff’s medicals and daily routines.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Well Sabean and Bochy did make it clear at the end of the season that Huff did not properly prepare his body for the season.
That in their eyes, was an important factor that the ZIPS does not take into account.
We also know that he smokes and drinks, so that could be an issue as well.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 12:47 AM PST up reply actions
Could be an issue, but we don’t know what it will be next season. We didn’t hear anything about his partying in 2010. Going off of a wealth of statistical data is more reliable than leaning on abstract ideas like how much he drinks.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Well in 2010 he wanted to boost his value so he could sign another contract after the season. He was also busy helping the Giants win a championship.
Bochy 11/23/2010:
“I will say that he showed up last year in the best shape he’s been in. I think he saw what that did for him, how much that benefited him. We expect him to show up this spring in the same kind of shape. He lost some weight and was a different player, and he’s not DHing and he understands that. So I think he’s taken it upon himself to work harder in the offseason and also in the spring.”
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 1:00 AM PST up reply actions
And lo, he’s going into a contract year on a competitive team.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
2009 was also a contract year for Huff. Do you know if he wants a new contract? Even if he did, will he make the same effort this time as he did in 2010? Will it even matter what effort he makes being that he’ll turn 36 at the end of 2012? I had this very same discussion a few days ago.
Grant posted this quote from Sabean:
“The guys have been good. They know what needs to be done. And the way it works out, there’s comfort in Cabrera and Pagan playing for a contract. Then you have Huff, who has an option in his contract, and Freddy is a free-agent-to-be.”
Seems like Sabean’s betting the season on the carrot and stick theory. Why would the Giants trust Huff after what he did in 2011? I think it’s already understood they wont pick up his option after next season.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 1:18 AM PST up reply actions
So, from the evidence, it seems his contract status doesn’t have a strong correlation to his performance. Glad we cleared that up! Now we can focus on aspects of performance that can actually be measured instead of groping blindly in the dark.
On that note, I’m going to bed.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I never said contract status had a strong correlation. That’ apparently Sabean’s view. We just know he did make the effort in 2010 to prepare for the season because he wanted to get another contract and have “financial security” for his children, as I recall him saying.
The main issue was the physical factors. Will he properly prepare this season? And does it matter anymore considering his age and health?
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 1:29 AM PST up reply actions
You're looking for all the reasons Huff will be bad
Without using the similar data points that Huff could be good.
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doesn’t take into account the age factor.
LOL yes it does. It definitely does.
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Did you actually read my follow up?
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
doesn’t take into account the age factor.
Dan Syzmborski would be very surprised to hear this.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
But does it take into account the Huff factor? LOL
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
So this will kill another apologist (CalBears) theory
There was never a plan to go shore up the pitching then go back to ownership with the hope of getting a little more cash for Beltran. It would have been an irresponsible and idiotic “plan” anyway but this would completely rule that one out and suggest that Sabean just really like the idea of spending 10 million on LOOGYs and seeing what he could do with the 3 pennies, 2 nickles and pocket lint leftover for the hitting.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
This quote is pretty old
That’s why I actually brought up the theory to begin with. Sabean is partially throwing the ownership under the bus…actually not partially…totally.
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Dec 12, 2011 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
funny …
…’til somebody gets an eye put out.
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Exactly. Didn’t someone lose an eye to an errant penalty flag one time?
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 12, 2011 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye.
Then it’s just a game: find the eye!
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Heehee.
Did I bring that here, or did you hear it elsewhere?
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I heard it elsewhere. Unless you’re secretly Liz Reumann, in which case I’ll give you full credit.
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Damn, I've been found out.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
It's ok, he's wearing protection!
TWSS
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That is Skittles being thrown.
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Marshawn Lynch is into Skittles. He eats a bag given to him by his mom on the sidelines. This has now become a meme in Seattle.
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 12, 2011 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
I’m waiting for the company to send him a free case or two for all the free publicity.
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That has happened already.
http://deadspin.com/5864592/marshawn-lynch-likes-skittles-eats-skittles-gets-free-skittles
Time to ruin a neat quirk with the crushing soullessness of corporate synergy! The Wrigley Company has announced that they’ll send Lynch a 2-year free supply, as well as a Skittles dispenser for his locker. It’s just a matter of time before shitty knockoff Spree does a deal with Brandon Jacobs.
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 12, 2011 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
Taste the rainbow.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
by Solidarity on Dec 12, 2011 10:06 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Holy shit. Kill it with fire.
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I heard (and this could be an untrue anecdote) that he used to play with his grill in during games at Cal. He supposedly had his mouthguard fitted over it.
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 12, 2011 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
Yuck.
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I heard a story about how a guy on the Cal Rugby team
was riding this 1990’s beat up (but lavishly colored like only something from the 1990’s could be) old Huffy bike to go do strength training during the off-season and Lynch was in the weight room and saw the guys bike and traded him his Cal Bears helmet for the bike straight up.
sounds like something beast mode would do.
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
lame
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Dec 13, 2011 6:13 AM PST up reply actions
Could it be that the Niners have topped out?
discuss…
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Alex Smith is the reason the Niners will never be fully respected.
the guy is a choke artist and the 3rd down play calling was terrible to boot. why would you ever throw the ball on 2nd and 1 and 3rd and 1 when your offensive line is seriously deficient at pass blocking and you have timeouts to burn? just pure idiocy.
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
He's not a choke artist
He’s just bad.
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Choke artist? He has 4 comeback wins in the 4th quarter this year.
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This
He’s done better than many had anticipated. Going foreword, if the Niners can find someone better, than by all mean replace him.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
so i guess because
he has 4 comeback wins this year we are going to forget that he has 4 comeback wins in the last 5 years prior? the guy sucks.
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
Well its kind of har to comeback when your team is down 35 points
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Dec 13, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
Nah
They sucked, but every team is due a bad game.
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Dec 12, 2011 9:57 PM PST up reply actions
Packers?
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Dec 12, 2011 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
They are not beating the Steelers.
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Depends on how Roethlisberger looks.
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Guy plays hurt.
If he can throw it down field they will be fine.
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by Giant_in_la_area on Dec 12, 2011 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn’t mind a stationary target for Aldon Smith.
Also, I hope Harrison gets his ass suspended.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Same here.
The guy doesn’t get it and has a target on his back since his article about Godelle.
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by Giant_in_la_area on Dec 12, 2011 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
Big Ben is one of the toughest QBs to bring down.
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I hate to say this
but dudes bounce off Tebow. I think he is now the toughest to bring down.
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by Giant_in_la_area on Dec 12, 2011 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
Holy spirit blocking up front.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
by Solidarity on Dec 12, 2011 10:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
who wouldnt want JC and the holy spirit
chipping off the D-tackle and making a second level block on the linebackers, and then a 3rd level block in the secondary…hallelujah.
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
Redefining "hail mary."
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
or perhaps
the immaculate reception?
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
yeah, doesn’t he have a pretty bad ankle sprain?
I was surprised to hear that Big Ben’s this season’s most sacked qb, I really thought that that honor would go to Alex Smith.
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TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
We'll see about that next week
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Dec 12, 2011 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
Could it be that Smith is who we thought he was? Accuracy and poise under pressure aren’t his thing. Still.
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by can of corn on Dec 12, 2011 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
He’s fine. He’s not great. There are games where he’ll look good, and there are games where he’ll look bad. He’s serviceable.
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Serviceable doesn’t beat the Packers or the Steelers. Or the Cardinals, apparently.
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by can of corn on Dec 12, 2011 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
He probably won't ever win a Super Bowl, but Trent Dilfer did it, so it's not impossible
I forget who it was yesterday who predicted a 28-15 loss against the Packers, but that sounds right.
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I’d say there are games where he’ll look serviceable, and games where he won’t. He never looks especially “good.”
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
He was pretty fantastic against Tampa Bay.
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When?
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by can of corn on Dec 12, 2011 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
D’oh. Nevermind.
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by can of corn on Dec 12, 2011 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
11-19, 170 yards, long of 26 yards.
Even with three touchdowns, if that’s his season highlight, that should tell you something. Particularly when the Bucs are one of the worst defenses in the league.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I could have sworn he was better than that. I guess I should probably look at the numbers before saying things like that.
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I mean, with a score like 48-3, you’d think so! I had to go check, myself. The trick is that Gore and Hunter combined for 190 yards on 29 carries.
His season highlight was probably at Philidelphia. 21-33, 291 yards, 2 TDs, the big comeback, etc.
If you look at his season lines, though, it looks like his accuracy and Y/C go down significantly above 25 pass attempts. Not really encouraging.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
He’s basically okay at short dumps. If you try to get him to throw for any distance, it’s not going to go where he hopes.
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by can of corn on Dec 12, 2011 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
He looked very good from deep in the Rams game
One perfect pass to Crabs that went for a TD, another to Vernon which he dropped.
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Dec 12, 2011 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
I know this new QBR stat from ESPN is basically garbage
But that game is still the highest rated game according to QBR of ANY QB including Rodgers, Brady, Brees etc so far this season… that has to count for something… right?
/crickets chirping
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Dec 12, 2011 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
Basically Garbage
is being far too complimentary.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
He sucks.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
nailed it.
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
That's overstating it by a ton
But whatever. It’s not fucking binary, where QB’s are Rodgers and Brees or they’re shit.
It’s nice to see the reverse bandwagon in full force on the Niners though, I was hoping it wouldn’t be saved only for the Sharks.
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No it's not binary.
But Smith isn’t Rogers, he isn’t Brees, and he isn’t above average.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Reverse bandwagon?
We’ve been saying Smith has sucked for years. Why? Because he has been average on his best days.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Also this
Smith has sucked for a long time.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
The reverse bandwagon is in reference to the Niners overall, not Smith
One bad game, and everyone is into sky is falling mode. Niners fans are awful sometimes. So much entitlement and absurd expectations.
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They should have signed Nnamdi!!!!
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I know what my own opinions are. The turnaround is great, but that hasn’t made me think that this is a team with a good chance of making it through the playoffs. Namely owing to the quarterbacking and play calling.
Just because losing to the Cardinals – a game we really should have won – has Smith’s ineptitude fresh in our minds doesn’t make it bandwagoning. It just makes it more relevant.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
This
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Just about
every team (outside of the Packers) have lost games they should have won.
The fact that you are talking about them making it through the playoffs is pretty surprising at the start of this season.
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The implication here is that we should be grateful that the Niners are doing this well. And we are, of course. But at the same time, I’m not going to overlook the major flaws the team still has: QB, O-line, and pass defense. As I said on Sunday, those will be the reasons the Niners lose in the postseason, and they need to be improved for next season.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Of course
but the o-line is by far the worst problem. Joe Flacco was pretty bad early in the season and now he’s decent because the o-line for the Ravens have gotten much better.
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I find it frustrating given that the O-Line was supposed to improve last year, and get better this season.
And even with a good O-line, I remain unconvinced that extra time would help Alex Smith with four yard slants, or keep him from burying flats, or overthrowing 12-15 plays down the sideline.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I keep waiting for someone to break out on offense (Vernon Davis?), but it’s not happening. Plenty of opportunities, too. Maybe the coaching staff is holding back a bit.
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
Could be
that there is not as much talent as thought and Harbaugh is making the most out of it.
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by Giant_in_la_area on Dec 12, 2011 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
At least Crabtree has proved to be decent. I think a lot of defenses have been trying to lock down Davis this year, since he has been mostly a non-factor on offense. Last year, he was everywhere.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Vernon is definitely not being used enough.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 12, 2011 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
Nah
Niners are working through issues and installing more pass plays/formations (i.e. impetus on vertical pass game). Excluding Crabtree and Williams, receivers look confused and unfocused.
Redzone TD% and procedure penalties on early downs are the keys to the offensive kingdom. Corrections to these issues could lead the Niners to Indianapolis. Yes, I typed it.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
Are they looking for Luck or something?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
No
The rather large game in Indianapolis.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
Super Bowl 46
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
They will go to watch
the Packers and AFC team that will lose?
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by Giant_in_la_area on Dec 12, 2011 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
I would be weirdly okay with the Packers having a perfect season. Which is weird because I couldn’t stand them in the 90s / under Farve.
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 12, 2011 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
the whole "he's having fun--he's a gambler" narrative
was so irritating.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
Also Cal kid leading them,
and he just goes out and puts up good games no matter what people say about him. I think people like him because he has proven people wrong time after time and just keeps plugging away always looking to get better.
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by Giant_in_la_area on Dec 12, 2011 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I think the “local kid makes good” narrative definitely helps me not root for them to fail.
Plus Rodgers just seems more likeable than, for example, Brady.
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 12, 2011 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
I like Brady.
Never got the hate on him.
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by Giant_in_la_area on Dec 12, 2011 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
Pretty boy, runs up the score, etc.
“Don’t hate me cuz you ain’t me” syndrome is inevitable. Dude’s been on top of the world for a while now.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Brady seemed like he was a nice kid but now he’s taken the personality of his coach.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
being pick #199
still eats at him. He’s an amazing story. Hard work pays off.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
I guess.
Belicheck I can’t stand but the Brady story is a good one also. Drafted in the 7th round and got his start and ran with it. I do think because he is married to a model and is handsome people don’t like him.
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by Giant_in_la_area on Dec 12, 2011 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
He’s like the douchey guy at work with the nice car who gets all the women. He may or may not actually be a douche, but he has what you want. The map is the territory.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I get that.
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by Giant_in_la_area on Dec 12, 2011 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
Warning, Sex about to happen in Champagne Room
Brady’s also a Republican
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 12, 2011 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
seeing Newt try to dunk would be classic.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
It turned out that Jim Bunning’s politics were quite relevant.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Full disclosure: I don’t hate Brady, but I know many do.
However, my perception is that his image is a bit more “stand-offish” than others. But again, this is totally my unscientific perception.
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 12, 2011 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
I can’t wait to see Rodgers vs Luck in the NFL next season.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
by calgiants86 on Dec 12, 2011 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
Aaron Rodgers is starting to get super cocky
It’s amazing to see him play at such a ridiculous level, but the swagger is crazy.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
He has a lot of fun.
Just look at the photobombs. Swagger is needed in that sport especially when you are the leader of a team.
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by Giant_in_la_area on Dec 12, 2011 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
Shit I hate:
Cornerback chases a receiver down the sideline, only to have the ball land long and a bit out of bounds. Cornerback turns and thumps his chest like he’s Apollo Creed.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
that stae farm commercial is getting to him
he is a celebrity now.
Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.
by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
I think it would be pretty cool to see the Packers finish with a perfect record.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
by calgiants86 on Dec 12, 2011 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
and to annoy the 1972 Miami Dolphins
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
This.
I get sick of the story of the champagne.
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by Giant_in_la_area on Dec 12, 2011 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
Suck it
Mercury Morris!!
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
I seem to recall seeing somewhere that Rodgers is the most popular athlete in America.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
More so than Tebow?
I guess he has his detractors.
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 12, 2011 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
Speaking of popular athletes, the Crosby situation doesn’t seem to be getting any better.
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by calgiants86 on Dec 12, 2011 10:49 PM PST up reply actions
Nope. Pretty sad all around. The dude was incredible and hopefully he can be again.
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 12, 2011 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
If he really can’t play anymore, I can no longer look forward to going to Ovechkin – Crosby rivalry games. Such a huge loss for the sport if he can no longer play.
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by calgiants86 on Dec 12, 2011 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
I saw the footage on Sportscenter tonight. The hit he took in the Bruins game was trivial. It does not look good.
And it was his own player colliding with him, of all the indignity!
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 12, 2011 10:59 PM PST up reply actions
I know nothing about football, but I heard about this on On The Media
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/20/aaron-rodgers-popularity-poll_n_1102875.html
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
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I don’t know why anyone would have an unfavorable opinion of him.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
A Bears, Lions or Vikings fan?
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
True, but it is a Wisconsin poll so there probably aren’t that many of them in the state.
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 12, 2011 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
Wisconsinites like him more than they like themselves.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
There are still Favre fans
that never got over the hurt.
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by Giant_in_la_area on Dec 12, 2011 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
If the 49ers can clean up their offense,
The San Francisco 49ers can get to the Super Bowl and win it…this year.
Is that clear enough?
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
I couldn't read that
can you make it bigger?
Three more games to work it out.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
That's a big...oh.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
All they really need is to have a good offensive line and for their players be healthy.
If they had the Oakland Raiders offensive line for example.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 12, 2011 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
Well Patrick WIllis has been out and Frank Gore hasn’t been the same since the Redskins game on the November 6. They are a huge part of the teams strategy and success.
Eric Branch:
"He’s got some things," Harbaugh said after he initially declined to explain the reason for Gore’s sparse workload. "He’s not 100 percent."
Gore is presumably dealing with knee and ankle injuries that he suffered in back-to-back games last month.
The offensive line has been bipolar in it’s pass protection, being okay one week and horribly the next.
Alex Smith hasn’t progressed as well under Jim Harbaugh as many had hoped.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 12, 2011 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
When Alex has time,
he can be efficient.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
Alex Smith hasn’t progressed as well under Jim Harbaugh as many had hoped.
Because he’s not very good.
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by can of corn on Dec 12, 2011 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
Overall he’s been solid. Nothing special, but good enough for the most part. The record would support that idea. The Niners didn’t really have any other option during the lockout.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 12, 2011 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
Meh.
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by can of corn on Dec 12, 2011 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
"Solid" is the word people use for bad players they wish were good.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Solid as an average.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
He's not average.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
This season?
Because I was referring to this season only.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
“He has been average” != “He is average”.
Because one of those two matters more in projecting future performance.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Well that was what I meant. Sorry if you thought I was referring to his career performance.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
That is just Alex Smith.
He wasn’t the consensus number one by most as many had Aaron Rodgers rated above him but he had size and was a winner in college. This is about as good as he will get, this year has been good for 49er fans and they should enjoy it because anything can happen in the postseason.
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by Giant_in_la_area on Dec 12, 2011 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
An unconfirmed anecdote was related on KNBR recently that the Niners had intended to take Rodgers, who had told them he would pay less to play in San Francisco, but Gruden screwed them over and drafted Cadillac Williams instead as an on-the-clock decision. So, there’s that.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
How?
The 49ers were drafting number one.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
As the story goes, they were drafting Alex Smith to hold the pick for Tampa Bay. The Buccaneers would draft Rodgers, and then they would swap. Because Rodgers would be drafted (somewhere around) 9th, he would get a much smaller signing bonus.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
And foolish to rely on a handshake deal like that.
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by can of corn on Dec 12, 2011 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
They would have gotten Smith and a late round pick.
And the 49ers save money. Ted Thompson only had one player rated with a 1st round pick they said, and that was Rodgers.
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by Giant_in_la_area on Dec 12, 2011 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
It also is worth bearing in mind that Rodgers wound up going 24th. It was a pretty safe investment, if Gruden hadn’t fucked shit up.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Very true.
But TT knew that a shitstorm would happen by picking him in the first with Favre still there.
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by Giant_in_la_area on Dec 12, 2011 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
Did you watch the America’s Game: 2010 Green Bay Packers video?
It showed Aaron Rodgers talk about how Mike McCarthy, the offensive coordinator for the Niners at the time, had personally told him they were going to pick him.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 12, 2011 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
McCarthy wanted him.
But I think the GM fell in love with Smith.
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by Giant_in_la_area on Dec 12, 2011 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
Rumor has it that some among the 49ers brass thought Rodgers was “too arrogant”.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
/i’marobot
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by Giant_in_la_area on Dec 12, 2011 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
/cheesehead dude hits glass and shouts “Awon Wodgers!”
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 12, 2011 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
There was interesting article about the Rodgers v. Smith pick in Grantland the other day.
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 12, 2011 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
But if the Niners picked Rodgers and vice versa, would the same result would have happened? Smith’s had crap for coaches and played on bad teams while Rodgers played for a well-run and well-coached franchise. Rodgers could have flamed out if he played for the Niners just as much as Smith has.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 12, 2011 11:20 PM PST up reply actions
The eternal debate. We shall never know.
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 12, 2011 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
I thought Rodgers had a better shot because he came from a pro style offense in college. Smith came from the spread offense in Utah.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Very much this.
Also, they aren’t exactly fungible, as the argument pre-supposes that they have the same ceiling. It’s quite likely that Rodgers would have struggled on lousy teams for the first few years. But if he had lasted as long as Smith has, we’d be at least 12-1 right now.
Rodgers benefitted from sitting for three years in that he had an easier transition into starting, and he has had a much more stable coaching environment to work in. But in terms of accuracy, athleticism, and arm strength, he’s got Smith beat across the board.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
my biggest fear is that Mike Nolan would still be our coach if we drafted Rodgers
I feel like I want to rage. Right now.
Of accuracy, athleticism and arm strength, the only one Rodgers was thought to have an advantage in coming out of college was arm strength. Smith was slightly more accurate in college and considered more athletic. He was also thought to have a higher football IQ. I’m not saying those assessments were correct, just trying to provide the context of the pick.
by BestHyperboleEver on Dec 13, 2011 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
Eli Whiteside gave my son and I a thumbs up.
I will always remember my son waving at him at his first major league game ever.
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by Giant_in_la_area on Dec 12, 2011 10:01 PM PST reply actions
Eli Whiteside wore a Grateful Dead Giants shirt to the World Series parade
At which point he became my favorite backup catcher of all time.
Twenty-seven years of waiting has come to an end.
by trapper on Dec 12, 2011 10:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn’t mind picking up a platoon player or two. Maybe Ryan Spilborghs as a RH complement to Nate Schierholtz?
We have too many outfielders already.
Also, fuck Ryan Spilborghs.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Giants only have 3
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Non-tenders as of right now (per MLBTR):
AL
Dan Cortes
Chris Gimenez.
Willie Eyre
Jo-Jo Reyes
Luke Scott
Andy Sonnanstine
Fabio Castillo
Rich Hill.
Aaron Laffey.
Jose Mijares
Will Rhymes
NL
Ronny Paulino
Mike Baxter
Ryan Theriot
Jeff Keppinger
Eli Whiteside
Pedro Ciriaco
Jason Jaramillo.
Jeremy Hermida.
Clay Hensley
Hong-Chih Kuo
Ryan Spilborghs
Cole Garner
Koyie Hill
Joe Saunders
Micah Owings
Doug Slaten
Theriot would be nice to have...
but even that small dream will never come true.
"We didn’t win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad"
"There is not seeing the ball well, and then there is that." - David B. Flemming describing an Aaron Rowand AB.
by 1ManWolfPack on Dec 12, 2011 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
We could follow their blueprint for success.
"We didn’t win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad"
"There is not seeing the ball well, and then there is that." - David B. Flemming describing an Aaron Rowand AB.
by 1ManWolfPack on Dec 12, 2011 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
Hong-Chi Kuo.
Why do I feel people would love to have him on here?
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by Giant_in_la_area on Dec 12, 2011 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
His name is kinda awesome. I think we could do cool things with it.
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 12, 2011 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
My brother has a double black belt in Hong Chi Kuo.
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on Dec 12, 2011 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
he sucks
the guy has a mental issue that will never be solved. might be a perfect fit now that i think about it.
Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.
by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
?
What mental issue.
The dude has glass for a left arm but no mental issues I am aware of.
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pretty sure he has an axiety disorder and colleti let him go because he isnt even sure Kuo wants to pitch in america anymore.
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
for some reason
When you search for ‘Jose Reyes’ on b-r, Jo-jo Reyes comes up as the first result.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
lol, reading this list, all I hear in my head is...
(a la the movie Big, where Josh and Billy are going thru their trading cards)
“need it, got it, got it, got it, need it, got it, got it…”
also, testing out new sig…still working on finding the right “tone” ;)
The pirates map (lineup card), The villainous crooks (F.O.), The underground caverns (McCovey Cove), The booby traps (wherever Freddy plays), The skeletons (Huff), The monster (Timmy), The lost treasure (Belt), and the magic that is... THE GIANTS....Giants Fans Never Say Die!!!
Hehe
booby.
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by Giant_in_la_area on Dec 12, 2011 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
lulz, I should have known better than to but “booby” in my sig around here…
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man I’ve missed this place…come in to test my stupid lil sig, get edumacated!
that bird is like the fashion icon of the clumsy, web-footed world! that color is crazy! lol
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hahahaha…you said titmouse ;D
/shows self out
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(O_O) Bahahahahahahaha!…you said…
::sigh:: I am such a child
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two words: blow fish
GOOD NIGHT, FOLKS! Don’t forget to tip your waitresses! :D
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Saunders
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 13, 2011 7:52 AM PST up reply actions
OT
Apparently, Mike Breen and Jeff Van Gundy will be doing an NBA doubleheader on Christmas. They will be broadcasting Heat-Mavs for ABC, fly a charter to Oakland to do Clippers-Warriors on ESPN.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
im drunk
but wanted to say yay fontenot!
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by sadison bummedgarner on Dec 12, 2011 10:30 PM PST reply actions
I will actually miss Eli.
There was a period of time when I worked by the ballpark that it seemed like I saw him walking somewhere every day. We were basically BFF’s.
@legaleagle88
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
HOP HOP HOP
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by sadison bummedgarner on Dec 12, 2011 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
Why am I watching Jimmy get got again?
It was bad enough the first time. I’m going to bed.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I’m surprised the Giants didn’t take full advantage of this momentous decision and turn it into a reality show. Like an hour long show with highlights and interviews and it all ends with Sabean giving a rose to either Fontenot or Keppinger.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 12, 2011 11:22 PM PST reply actions
which network?
ESPN doesn’t acknowledge anything west of the Mississippi.
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Does CSN Bay Area have anything else to broadcast?
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Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Nah, that's CSN California.
I don’t know what they show these days, other than SportsNet Central and 49ers pre- and post-game.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
wut?
So the LOS ANGELES Lakers and the DALLAS Cowboys play east the Mississippi?
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And Tim Tebow plays east of the Mississippi?
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I don’t watch basketball, but do the Lakers play their games at 7 PM PST? Or do they schedule them earlier so more East Coasters can watch?
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 12, 2011 11:44 PM PST up reply actions
A poll question on ESPN.com asks If Ryan Braun’s positive test is upheld, should he be stripped of the MVP and 79% of 93,000 votes say yes.
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Yeah, most people are stupid.
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C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
The poor guys rep is never going to be the same even if he is exonerated.
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 12, 2011 11:46 PM PST up reply actions
Kemp should have gotten it anyways.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
yuck
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
"Defy Doubt" ... Really?
Go to page 10 of this holiday catalog.
“A body that defies the odds.” Whoops!
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
You know Giants Management is really cheap when...
a tendering Mike Fontenot post generates 500 hits in two hours, at 9:00 pm, on a Monday. This offseason has been an epic fail.
Matt Cain is better than you, but apparently not cool enough for Showtime.
by homegrowntalent on Dec 12, 2011 11:53 PM PST reply actions
Today I learned that there are plans to put two 1,200-foot towers at First and Mission
Is this something that’s actually going to happen? Does the city not realize that this would be the worst thing ever?
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
GET OFF MY LAWN
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they were going to name them
“Fontenot” and “Keppinger” but I guess that’s out now…
[Poorly Wrought THING] is what Brian Sabean would have made if he were a [THING-maker] instead of a MLB GM
Fontenot signed for $1.05 M
that’s about 10% less than his expected arbitrary number.
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by CalBear949 on Dec 13, 2011 5:22 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Arbitration number.
Also, it is what he made last year.
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by CalBear949 on Dec 13, 2011 6:12 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
But by signing the contract he is guaranteed the money. If he went to arb and was hurt early in ST the giants would still have time to cut him without owing him a dime.
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by say hey nation on Dec 13, 2011 6:14 AM PST up reply actions
How?
Major-league contracts are guaranteed, are they not?
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Arbitration contracts aren’t guaranteed until late in ST.
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by say hey nation on Dec 13, 2011 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
This might have changed but here is a run down by cots
The panel, without opinion, awards the player a one-year, non-guaranteed contract at one salary or the other. If the player is cut before the 16th day before the season begins (March 14, 2007), he is entitled only to 30 days’ termination pay. If the player is cut during spring training but after the 16th day before the season begins (between March 15 and March 31, 2007), he is entitled only to 45 days’ termination pay.
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2003/01/transactions-glossary.html
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by say hey nation on Dec 13, 2011 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
Good to know.
I will say, though, that this seems like an unlikely outcome anyway, since the Giants appear to avoid going to arbitration whenever they can help it.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
See: Padres 2007 Todd Walker.
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
Yay!
Someone brought donuts today!
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This is a s close to Doughnuts as I will get today
but damn these Crumb Doughnuts are awesome.
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Saw the lower half of the pic
and thought it was a croquette.
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You are thinking of ResDog.
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U STOLE MY GIRL!
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That line about not being able to get permission to get good players really pissed me off
that means definitely no Beltran no matter what right?
I also now regret that trade more and more because if the only way we have to acquire players is through trade we should not have trade wheeler for a rental
I was actually ok with the trade at the time
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
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by operation carrot on Dec 13, 2011 6:15 AM PST reply actions
If you were ok with the trade at the time, how can you regret it now?
Did you not know that Beltran was a FA after the season?
I’m bummed Beltran got hurt because if he’d produced like he did when he came back, it could have been the difference in making the post-season, but it’s unfair to blame management with the benefit of hindsight when they didn’t have it at the time.
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it’s unfair to blame management
You say that like it’s stopped us before.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
You say that like it’s stopped us before.
This is funny and should be block quoted.
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I liked the trade at the time. It didn’t work out but I liked that they took a chance.
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This
Giants were 4 games up at the time.
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Of course I can understand those who hated it and will accept their I-TOLD-YOU-SOs.
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The people who hated it at the time have that right
My problem is with someone who liked the trade at the time, then get pissed at management because it didn’t work out like both that person and management had hoped.
It’s like going to the horse races and agreeing with your wife to bet $10 on horse #4, then letting her have it when #4 finishes out of the money. “What were we you thinking?!”
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I liked the trade at the time
But I was never that high on Wheeler, so I don’t fall into most’s camps. What I feel about that trade is independent of what I think about their efforts to re-sign Beltran, which they are being dumbwads about.
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Walkz, mostly. His scouting reports were great, the results less so.
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Ah, no biggie
My thought was that Beltran bumped up our playoff chances by a pretty solid amount, which is almost always worth the exchange of an A-ball pitcher.
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My problem was the cost. The main issue for me was the fact that no matter what, we were trading Wheeler for at most 2 months of Beltran. I had concerns about his injury potential (given the significant history he had). While there are no certainties Wheeler will be a front line ML starter, he was an early first round pick who was healthy and was pretty much on the expected developmental path. I would have felt much better if they had a chance to offer him arb and thus recoup a draft pick.
The arb thing was a bummer, sure
But getting to the playoffs is worth lots of money.
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I liked the trade
However, I thought they would make an honest attempt to re-sign Baltran. They didn’t.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 13, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
I hated the trade, and in large part that was because i thought they over-estimated the talent of the team with the existent injuries and because I thought they gave up too much (in Wheeler). But that transaction happened last July. I do not feel any different about it now that they made no attempt to sign him. In fact, I wish they had not signed him last July and had instead tried to sign him this offseason.
So apparently my crazy mother-in-law owns a house near Greymouth, NZ (south island, west coast) and has offered it to me and my wife for as long we like starting at the end of next year. Anyone ever been there?
I really want to spend a year or two there, rent free and with a car. But from a quick search that place seems really remote and has only a few jobs to offer.
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Why don’t you just visit for a little bit and see if you like it?
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I would like to but I don’t have that kind of cash to drop on airfare right now.
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by say hey nation on Dec 13, 2011 6:28 AM PST up reply actions
You could give someone around here the key, and we can report back to you.
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Never been, but I have a customer who is always griping about their economy. Our sales to them has dropped over 50% over the past couple years, whereas all of my other customers are up. I may be wrong, but I believe that a large portion of their economy is the travel industry.
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Dec 13, 2011 6:24 AM PST up reply actions
My boss went to NZ a few months ago, he said he wants to go back. He’s not around right now, but when he is, I’ll ask him if he went to that area.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 13, 2011 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
Five Notes on New Zealand
1) Everyone I know that has gone, has come back awed by the beauty.
2) Everyone I know that has gone, wants to go back.
3) Everyone I know that has gone, expresses a desire to live there.
4) Everyone I know that has gone, talks about how expensive everything is because it is an island nation.
5) Everyone I know that has gone,cannot afford to live there.
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Wait
wasn’t there a McCoven that was going to go to New Zealand? An attorney in Chicago as I recall.
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was it
North Side Giants Expatriate something or other?
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Yes!
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by calgiants86 on Dec 13, 2011 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
5) Everyone I know that has gone,cannot afford to live there.
I imagine having a rent free house makes that one a lot easier to swallow.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 13, 2011 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
I’ve been to NZ on vacation with my wife, then girlfriend, and we went diving, saw the sights and really enjoyed it. That said vacationing and living someplace are two extremely different things. You will also need to look into the visa situation if you want to work in New Zealand.
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by calgiants86 on Dec 13, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
Visa situation is relatively easy. Both my wife and I were assured we would be granted visa if we applied.
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by say hey nation on Dec 13, 2011 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
Well good.
At least Fontenot will be here when we’re two months into the season and Crawford is hitting .200. Then, a couple months late, we’ll have the guy who should have been our shortstop all along.
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You really think that Marlins would trade Reyes in June?
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by say hey nation on Dec 13, 2011 6:46 AM PST up reply actions
Hahaha
No – I mean that, of the guys currently on the roster, Fontenot should be our shortstop. I’m sure we’ll get there, but it’ll take them a while.
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well-played
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Doing a little math on ZiPS projections — the difference between Fontenot and Crawford with the bat projects to be 12 runs over the course of a full season (700 plate appearances). What’s the difference with the glove?
Prolly fairly high, maybe even close to that
But I’d go with something like 8 or 9 runs.
But I’d give the edge to Fontenot.
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But could you show your work on that math?
Last year the difference between their wRC+’s was like 25 points, which over a season would work out a lot more than 12 runs difference.
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I just used the batting runs formula on the 2012 ZiPS. I assume the key adjustments to last year’s numbers have to do with age and babip.
The thing I keep coming back to is that Fontenot is almost certainly going to be pressed into service at second base for some substantial chunk of the season (hopefully two or three days a week rather than for two months in a row). So making him the starter at short creates another problem.
Yes, I’m pretending Manny Burriss doesn’t exist.
I wish we had Keppinger.
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They need some sort of right-handed middle infielder, that’s for sure. We can only hope they’re just bluffing about Burriss.
They need some sort of right-handed middle infielder
There be PILLS for that.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 13, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
BRETT PILL FOR SHORTSTOP
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Now there’s a position he actually hits above average for!
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 13, 2011 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
If you think Brandon Crawford is a .280 wOBA hitter (basically close to his Bill James and ZiPS numbers) then at 700 PAs he worth -29 runs. Fontenot is a career .320 wOBA batter; that works out to about -5 runs per 700 PAs. I’d call the difference between Fontenot and Crawford, offensively speaking, about two full wins.
For those numbers, I’m using a league average wOBA of .328 which depending on what you think about 2011’s offensive levels, might be a tad high.
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This is my thinking as well.
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ZiPS doesn’t give wOBA, which is why I had to work it out by hand. If you want to go with Bill James instead, the difference is 28 points of wOBA, not 40.
I estimated that Crawford’s ZiPS wOBA is .284, which is close to the BJ projections. So, I’m not sure I’m doing the ZiPS version right.
http://www.baycityball.com/2011/12/10/does-brandon-crawfords-bat-outweigh-his-defense/
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I think it has to be less than .284, since his ZiPS numbers are lower than the ever-optimistic Bill James numbers.
Yep, high .270s I’d say.
Are there any other kinda-viable shortstops still out there? I keep thinking Ronny Cedeno is the one we’ll end up with. He’s bad, but probably better than Crawford.
Cedeno looks like Crawford with the bat (.277 career wOBA) but without the defensive upside. The defensive metrics make him look average at SS, maybe one or two runs below. I’m not sure he’s actually an upgrade on Crawford.
I’m kind of expecting Ryan Theriot to be our starting SS.
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Wow
keithlaw keithlaw
And with the Badenhop trade, the Marlins no longer have any of the six players acquired for Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis.
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Fucking morons.. He would have beent he perfect complement to Buster this season
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Maybe that’s just where he wanted to play.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I wouldn't mind getting
Paulino on the cheap.
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LOLOLOL
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Sources: #Rockies on Beltran, as first reported by @JonHeymanCBS. Likely would require shorter term than Cuddyer, who wants 3-4 years. #MLB
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LOL us
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/facepalm
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 13, 2011 7:55 AM PST up reply actions
That's a nice OF
CarGo, Fowler, Beltran
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Carlos Beltran is really good. Michael Cuddyer is okay. Why would one team want one or the other? You want Beltran, Colorado.
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Maybe the FO will see the light and grab Beltran.
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Nah
Unless the light was surrounded by dollar signs, it will be invisible.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 13, 2011 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
LOL WARRIORS!!!
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Kwame Brown’s deal with the Warriors will be for one year, $7 million, league source tells Y!
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If the Rockies sign Carlos Beltran, Giants management is not going to read my comments for the next few months.
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by rxmeister on Dec 13, 2011 8:11 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Refrigerator.
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Dishwasher
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by Myemail21479 on Dec 13, 2011 8:46 AM PST up reply actions
Dan Szymborski has an interesting piece up today at ESPN
Calculating every team in the MLB’s playoff odds, and then calculating them again with Prince Fielder to see who would benefit the most from getting Prince.
#1?
Team Before Fielder With Fielder Gain
Giants 32% 61% 29
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Stupid formatting
Before Fielder: 32%
With Fielder: 61%
Gain: 29%
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PITCHING IS OUR GOLD STANDARD
Leave this Fielder’s gold or fat gold out of your mathquations, Nerdstein!
I would very much like a Fielder
But that would require making Brandon Belt the left fielder of the future instead of the first baseman of the future.
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dont you have to do something good before teams want to trade for you?
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
Not smart teams.
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so
basically we would be looking at trading belt to the giants…for a PTBNL…maybe brandon belt?
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
Of course
the article concluded that the Rangers would benefit from signing Fielder the most.
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I can't access the article
but I would guess that signing Fielder would significantly increase the playoff probability for the Phillies, Cardinals, Braves and probably Dbacks. Yankees, RS, Tigers all have very good 1Bs already so the Fielder’s effect those team are probably a lot less.
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The Giants had the largest increase of any team in terms of playoff odds by adding Fielder.
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Sure
considering the insanely poor production by Huff et al last year.
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No it's not
but it’s a big factor. I know the Giants have very poor offense and thus would have greatly benefit from having Fielder but I would imagine that the Phillies and Braves would also benefit by a bit.
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This reminds me of when the Giants signed Zito.
In conjunction with Prince Fielder’s free-agent debut, his representatives at the Scott Boras Corporation produced a 73-page binder celebrating his achievements in the game. The book originally encompassed eight sections, but the Boras folks added a ninth after Fielder finished third in the National League Most Valuable Player race — marking the third time since 2007 that he has cracked the top five.
I’m not saying that Fielder is going to be Zito. Just a reminder of my Zito-inflicted fan scar.
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Boras does those “achievement books” for all of his big money players. He is pretty famous for them actually.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 13, 2011 9:32 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah
I wonder where Zito’s book is.
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It’s at the Giants’ FO multistory outhouse. Used for reading and other things.
Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006
I didn’t realize the world’s greatest super-agent built his legacy on scrapbooking and decoupage.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I’m picturing the 857 page binder celebrating Pat the Bat’s “achievements.”
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 13, 2011 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
Today in weird quotes
“If I was the opposite gender, I’d be chasing him. I’d be dating him. But I’m not, so I don’t. But I’m making the point. This guy’s got a ton of personality. He’s really a neat guy. The players have enjoyed him from Day 1. He’s smart and he’s funny. I really appreciate everything about him.”
— Tony La Russa on So Taguchi
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/quotes/archive&num=0
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what a sad and stupid message to say. The Giants will get exactly what they are paying for, another lost year,. Keppinger runs rings around Fontenot, with or without carbonite, whatever that is. But time will tell. Too bad some writers don’t know baseball.
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Was this person excited by his batting average?
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I don’t know, but Jeff Keppinger can run rings around you. Slow, nearly immobile, rings.
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What does carbonite have to do with anything? Is the Giants backing up their hard drives?
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I said Keppinger runs like his legs have been dipped in carbonite.
It’s a Star Wars reference, you nerd.
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Hah
jokes on you. Keppinger does not actually run. He just does a great running man.
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Jeff Keppinger facts
Jeff Keppinger doesn’t actually run, he just lets the earth move for him.
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Was this person excited by his batting average?
I would say the probability is very high that this was the case.
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Wait
Keppinger runs?
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The difference between success and failure in this next season was clearly going to come down to the Keppinger/Fontenot choice
The first six innings are overrated.
If the difference between the playoffs and no playoffs was one win and the difference between Fontenot and Keppinger was even just one run
Then of course it could be the difference between success and failure.
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I had a class in college where a woman came in to talk about different sex things, and at one point she had two girls come up and use their teeth to carve bananas into a dick and I think we had to vote on who did the better job.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 13, 2011 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
That sounds like a dream.
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
I'm trying to paint a picture:
What were the ladies wearing? What music was playing?
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It really does, or a porno. It was some sort of sex ed class that, looking back on it, had to have fulfilled some sort of requirement, or I wouldn’t have taken it. The funny thing about it is, she asked for volunteers before she said what they would be doing, and one of the girls had to be coaxed into doing it because she hated bananas.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 13, 2011 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
/ golf clap
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Sadly, she didn’t have us do that.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 13, 2011 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
Peer Pressure: Its our strongest weapon
Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.
by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
My personal kryptonite.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 13, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
ok how about this
PEER PRESSURE: JUST DO IT!
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
Did either of them do a good job?
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 13, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t think so. I can’t recall what their efforts looked like, but I remember thinking I could have done a better job, and then immediately thinking I should never tell anyone that, until many years later, on the internet.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 13, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
It goes without saying
We are are all super privileged that you waited to tell us. No, sort of, really.
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Sign him, you jerks
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Here’s the ZiPS readout for rest of Beltran’s career. twitpic.com/7su6uq In SF
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PREPARE FOR RAGE IGNITION
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OH SHIT WHERE'D THE BUTTON GO???
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Apollo 11
When it was time for Neil and Buzz to leave the moon’s surface and meetup with the command module that was orbiting the moon, Buzz discovered that the switch to connect the circuit to ignite the lunar module’s engine had been broken off. This apparently happened while they were changing into their spacesuits prior to the EVA. Buzz used the top of a ballpoint pen to flip the circuit.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 13, 2011 9:51 AM PST up reply actions
Great story. BUT WHERE IS THE TELEMETRY TO BACK IT UP!
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
by calgiants86 on Dec 13, 2011 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
2.9 and 2.4 WAR…he factored in the injury risk.
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If the projections are true
How much of a drop off would Melky be? 0.5 WAR?
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But Huff got 579 PA’s last season in 2011 at roughly the same age Beltran will be next year.
Aside from the hand issue last season, Beltran has really only had one injury problem in his career, and that was his knee. It didn’t cause him to lose playing time last season and if it does cause him problems later on, it will most likely be catastrophic.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
I still recall Beltran's first game on the Giants
how many people here thought that he tore up his knee making that sliding catch
/raises hand.
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True
But he said afterwards his knee brace got caught up in the grass.
The facts are that he missed no time because of his knee.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
Beltran has both age and injury concerns
someone yesterday brought up Alou and Burks as great comparisons to Beltran.
Alou had two bad years around 35/36 but recovered 37-39
Burks had two good years around 35/36 but fell of the cliff at 38.
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Well, the Melky comparison is only for next season. I don’t see why Beltran can’t have another 140+ games again.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
Obviously
if Beltran plays 140+ games next year, he can be a 4-5 WAR player. But there is legitimate concern about his durability and injuries. Otherwise, which team couldn’t use a 4-5 WAR player.
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Of course, that’s why Sabean/ownership should pounce, assuming he’ll be cheaper.
By the way, he’s averaged more than 140+ games a season for his entire career except in 2009/2010 when the knee surgery happened.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
John Shea
“We looked at it from a defensive standpoint,” assistant general manager Bobby Evans said. "We saw Keppinger as more of a guy who could play first, second and third. The nod went to Fontenot because of how well he played short.
“We liked Fontenot’s ability to get on base and hit a fastball, but the primary concern was looking at depth defensively. With Crawford at short, having two solid options as backups is more comfortable than having one.”
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You may want to avert your eyes
The other would be Emmanuel Burriss, who also was tendered.
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We liked Fontenot’s ability to get on base
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Don’t be shocked. It was Bobby Evans, not Sabean or Bochy.
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Who?
having two solid options as backups
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Dang it
the link portion disappeared
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Whoa Belgium.
LIEGE, Belgium (AP) — A man armed with grenades and an assault rifle attacked holiday shoppers Tuesday at a central square in the Belgian city of Liege, leaving four people dead and wounding 75, officials said.
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Two people just walked by my office door
The woman was saying something about cold food and someone not eating sandwiches. The guy responded with something like
“She is from San Francisco, maybe she (mumbled something) avocado… (went through doorway and door closed)
I can only assume it had something to do egg and avocado and Barry Zito.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 13, 2011 9:56 AM PST reply actions
Next big dates to look forward to
Teams and players will file their salary figures Jan. 5-15 and exchange them on Jan. 18. For any players that have not come to terms, arbitration hearings are Feb. 1-21 in St. Petersburg, Fla.
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I would rather that the season start soon
I think I am all rosterbationed out.
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Are you content with how things currently are?
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
I'm realistic
1) $130 million budget but $42 million tied up with Zito, Rowand, and Huff and another $35 million for Tim and Matt.
2) I would have liked the Giants to pick up Beltran instead of re-signing Lopez. Lopez is great but his dramatic split makes him a LOOGY. Affeldt was actually better against LHB than Lopez and much better against RHB.
3) Affeldt still could be traded for a cheap MI but I get the concern in the bullpen with Romo and Wilson. A lot of people are comfortable with having Runzler, Hembree, or the like in the bullpen. I don’t.
4) I am somewhat annoyed that the ownership won’t cough up another $5 million to sign Beltran. He would make this team very good.
5) I am also waiting for the final numbers re payroll. I still don’t get how the Giants get to $130 million.
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Seems good.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
LOL Damon Bruce
Retweets Baggs tweet re Giants re-sign Fontenot and says
“Wrong guy, Bay Area teams on fire this morning.”
Yes, D. Bruce – Fontenot is to the Giants exactly how Kwame is to the Warriors.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 13, 2011 10:47 AM PST reply actions
LOL CUBS FAN!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 13, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
Damon Bruce has strong opinions about things. Those opinions are often wrong.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
This is true.
He’s a really nice guy, but yeah. I was sitting next to him when TGWTWS so, I can’t hate too heavily.
Though he made the point again and again that the Giants would be full of regret if they didn’t sign Matt Holliday over the off-season…so…we’ll see.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 13, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
I mean
Sure, they won the WS. But that doesn’t mean they can’t regret not signing Holliday – that’s a good contract.
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Pretty sure the Giants would regret paying Matt Holliday $17M in 2016.
Perhaps even 2015.
But, we’ll see.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 13, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
That's the wrong way to look at it
A player doesn’t have to be worth his salary in every year of a contract to be worth the value of a contract over all.
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Yeah, I read your calculation below.
$17M due to Holiday in 2015/16 could still hamper a team from going to get another free agent or tender contracts to others when that time comes though.
But don’t listen to me, I’ve been eating avocado egg scrambles and smoking RDF all week. YMMV
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 13, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
But 17 M in 2015 or 2016 won't be worth as much as 17m today, too
Another reason teams love to backload.
IIRC, Holliday has a bunch of deferred money too.
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Some back-of napkin math
Holliday signed for 7 years, 120 million before the 2010 season.
Let’s assume that a WAR will be worth ~ 5 million over the course of that contract. When he originally signed it, a WAR was worth a bit less than 5, by the time it’s over, a WAR will likely be worth slightly more.
OK, so, 120 million over 7 years. 5 Million per WAR, that means they were paying Holliday to come up with 24 WAR over seven years in order to be worth the contract.
Like with all big long-term deals, the team hopes to get more production out of the front end than they do on the back, and they hope the excess value will compensate them for paying him at the end of the deal when he isn’t as good. Holliday seems to be doing that quite well.
In the first two years of his deal, he’s put up 11.7 WAR. Subtracting that from the 24 they’re paying him to put up over 7 years gets us 12.3 WAR that the Cardinals need him to put up over the next five years in order to be worth his contract.
12.3 WAR over 5 years means that Holliday just has to average ~ 2.5 WAR per year for the rest of his contract to be worth it.
I’d say it’s pretty likely he will be. That contract isn’t much of a discount for the Cards, to be sure, but it’s fair, and they’re getting the production they’re paying for.
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All fair points. I will just point out that injury risk compounds somewhat over the course of a deal that long. I know that “if he stays healthy” is always a caveat, and Holliday doesn’t have an injury history, but it’s a lot of money to invest in one player. I don’t blame teams that prefer to distribute their risk more broadly.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Of course it does, but that's factored in to the price as well
Holliday could easily be worth that contract even if he missed a whole year.
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He sat behind me at a ST game in ’09… Tim Lincecum vs. Cliff Lee, ironically.
I asked him if the Giants would crack .500 that year. He basically said no fucking way, and proceeded to crack Edgar Renteria jokes.
In his defense, it was a well reasoned argument – that the pitching would get worn down because they would always have to be perfect with no run support – and the Renteria signing was obviously not a smart deal. But looking back at it now, I can’t help but grin.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
WTF Boardwalk Empire
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I don’t like that show, but when my wife told me what happened I was all “That’s Dumb, probably gonna be a dream sequence or something stupid”
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Dec 13, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
The last scene was insane. Nucky’s not going to be happy.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
I don’t see what difference it makes now that they are married.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Are you saying (without spoiling) that because they’re married, both of them would have to consent to what she did?
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
I’m saying that a married woman was basically subsumed into her husband legally back in the day, so yes.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Oh yes
This is part of why I’m over the show. They made Margaret a total idiot, and she used to be pretty shrewd. That and, the other thing.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
An idiot? She’s got some balls that’s for sure.
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Last season, she seemed clear-eyed about why she was with Nucky, and was willing to help him out where necessary and deal realistically with her conscience. Her kid gets sick so she gets religion and thinks she can make some kind of amends, makes unreasonable demands and appeals to Nucky’s conscience, and even plots against him, even though she continues to live off him. Religious fervor like that, especially when it is so hypocritical, is idiotic. Rather commonplace, but idiotic.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I see her as struggling with her faith and going back and forth between suppressing her guilty conscience and trying to be a good person. She saw her kid’s sickness as retribution for acting the way she has and now she is trying to make amends. You may or may not like the character but it seems like a perfectly cromulent way to develop her within the story.
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They’ve made her into Carmela Soprano, I’ve seen that story before.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I dunno. I can identify with someone who should be tying to be a good person but doesn’t always succeed.
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Most of them don’t live off murder and graft, tho, I’m guessing.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Well yeah but this is an HBO show so murder and graft are a requirement.
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If you like watching someone try to be good and getting it wrong a lot, you might like Enlightened, also on HBO. It’s really weird, but I liked it a lot.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Enlightened follows the story of Amy Jellicoe, a self-destructive executive, who, after the implosion of her professional life and a subsequent philosophical awakening in rehabilitation, tries to get her life back together.
Sounds like Don Draper after hitting rock bottom!
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Don Draper has way more self-awareness than Amy Jellicoe. She is completely oblivious as to how she comes across to other people.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I’ll have to check it out. Something needs to occupy my HBO time until April.
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Who saw the Luck pilot afterwards? Some more fine TV from HBO. If you dig the horses like the wife and I do, you’ll love this. Also Dustin Hoffman and Nick Nolte.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
I did.
I really like the “day at the track” construct of the pilot. The characters look very interesting.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
I had just finished a novel set (mostly) at a track: Lean on Pete by Willie Vlautin. I really dug it, so I was really in the mood when Luck premiered.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
I missed Luck
but did I spend last night watching most of the whole season of Enlightened. I really liked it, although I doubt it’s most people’s cup of tea. I know several people much like Amy Jellicoe, and they are just as annoying.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
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Notice how much less that is then 5 mil
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The extra 3.25 is because Affeldt is lefthanded!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 13, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
Right on time.
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I heard Affeldt was in the best shape of his life
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
No matter what shape he is in
he is still LHP.
Freaking Jesse Orosco pitched until he was 46 because he was LHP.
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but doenst it help to know that he is in the best shape of his life?
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
I used to be in the best shape of my life,
but then I took an arrow in the knee.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
that will happen
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
Wut
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Saito
is 42 and a significant risk injury and RHP.
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This
Only pitched 26.2 innings last season.
Affeldt had over 60 and Lopez over 50.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
Newsflash
Those 34 extra innings from Affeldt aren’t worth 3.25 million
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Newsflash
I never stated as such. Only pointing out why he’s more valuable.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
He's more valuable than Saito
We way overpaid for that value. That’s been mine and everyone else’s point here forever.
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His drastic drop in K/9 is worrisome
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And to all the lefty morons
Saito’s line vs. lefties in his career
.222/.286/.315
Jeremy Affeldt vs. lefties in his career
.238/.330/.380
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your forgetting...
THE LAW OF AVERAGES!!! Affelft will hold lefties to a .198 BA in 2012.it just makes sense if you dont think about it.
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
the law of averages
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
That's includes his time as a starter though
What about reliever stats?
I don't think he was ever a starter
but last two years, his OPS against LHB is about .150 higher than against RHB.
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Oh
you’re talking about Affeldt. I thought you were talking about Saito.
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he used to start for KC, and I would load the wagons on the other team every time
by Countificus on Dec 13, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
Seriously though
What does their bullpen look like now? Is Saito expected to carry the high leverage innings or is he a mop up guy? I haven’t looked too closely at his stats. I wonder if he gets a lot of groundballs as that would seem to be important in their yard.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 13, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
Probably 4th or 5th guy out of the bullpen
Just like Affeldt
Putz is closer
Hernandez setup guy
Added Ziegler from the A’s
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breslow as well
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
Yep
Very solid bullpen at about half the cost of the Giants bullpen
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the 2010 d-backs
were awful because of their bullpen…they added pieces to it in 2011 and were much improved and now they are adding more in 2012…as it sits now the d-backs and rockies have leapfrogged the giants
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
And yet
the Giants would be much better without Lopez and Affeldt.
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They would
If they spent that money on Beltran.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 13, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
Again
using ZIPs…Beltran is projected to be a 2.9 WAR player next year. How much advantage is that over Melky…0.5? 1.0?
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I will hazard a guess and say more.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
You think Melky will be a 1 to 1.5 WAR player?
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I do
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 13, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
BUT LARS IF ONLY YOU HAD SOMETHING TO SUPPORT THIS OPINION
Melky’s career fWAR
2005: -0.4
2006: 1.7
2007: 0.5
2008: 0.1
2009: 1.6
2010: -1.0
2011: 4.2
One of those years has an exceptionally higher BABIP than the rest. I bet you can figure out which one
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 13, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
i really do wonder when the giants will realize that paying 30% of your payroll for RP's is not condusive to winning.
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
?
Wilson: 8.5 million
Romo: 1.3 million
Lopez: 4.25
Affeldt: 5
Mota: 500K
Casilla: 1.9
Total: 21.5 million
How’s is that 30% of a $130 M payroll?
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i like to think about that minus zito and rowand's contract
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
minus Rowand/zito contracts
Beltran or Reyes/Rollins are Giants
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Amnesty Clause!!!!
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so we are all in agrement that the ginats bullpen cost is not an issue?
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
Heck
minus Rowand/Zito contract
Pujols and Reyes are Giants.
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One would hope
This newfound sense of financial responsibility has me wondering. I mean, they have a 130 million payroll now because they can’t do anything about it. They stuck their own dick into a bear trap and now have to deal with the pain.
If they do not sign Rowand or Zito, I doubt the payroll would still be 130 million.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 13, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
We shall see
I think that the ownership are trying to slow down the progression of the payroll because they know they can’t go down from it.
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I have said it before
I really think Sabean is looking to 2013.
By then, the only bad contract would be Zito and if he does okay this year, Zito can be traded with the Giants eating half the salary.
He wants to sign Tim and Matt long term.
Panda, Buster, and Madbum will become FA between 2015 and 2017 so I would imagine that Sabean wants to sign them long term.
He seeing what happens with Wilson and Romo to determine their future.
With Belt, Brown, Panik and Hembree coming up, Giants would have
3 SPs
1B
CF
3B
C
2B
Cl/RP
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Why has he waited so long on Tim & Matt? If he wants all these great young players long term, he should be signing them now a la Matt Moore or Tulo.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
They did sign a long tearm deal with Matt. That deal is about to be up. As for Tim, his camp has expressed a desire to stay short-term for the time being.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
exactly.
sabean is the master of waiting until players are at their peak value and then trying to sign them to long term deals…it is the exact opposite of what the Rays do. Sabean comes from the Yankees school of free agency and that business model sucks when you have a hard salary cap.
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
?
Because teams never pay FA while they are at their peak value.
How is signing your prospects to longterm deals bad? Are you supposed to sign them before they get good or is it Sabean’s fault that the Giants prospect are good early.
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of course Brian sabean isnt the only GM that does this...
signing your prospects to long term deals is good. Lets see each prospect has a window of when he can be signed to maximize his value…lets take bumgarner after the 2010 season when he only had about 120 MLB innings under his belt you sign him to a team friendly deal which buys out arb years and maybe 1-2 FA years…now lets take sandoval…post 2009 he is coming off of a great season, but if you were to buy out his arb years and his 1-2 FA years he is at a value even when he was not good in 2010…with lincecum it would have been impossible since he won the CY back to back, but there are better ways to keep players than by going year to year in arbitration them waiting to sign them when they hit the open market.
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
my reason for thinking this
is that depending on what you believe 2013/2014 will be the first time that Sabean is without an albatross contract. Some of that is his making and others not so much.
Opposite to his 1997-2004 self, Sabean/FO are now focused on developing young talent and signing them long term.
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But they have to sign albatrosses!
Otherwise, what would people complain about? Sometimes I think this is why people advocate so hard for some of these FA signings.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
2013 and 2014 will boast a giant team
w/o lincecum and cain. i have yet to hear from either about how thrilled they are to be giants right now. and it doesnt sound like the FO really cares that much for them staying anyway. too cheap!
by orange velvet on Dec 13, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
Sure
then they can re-sign Zito for another 7 years.
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i am not sure a four year contract w/ lincecum is long term.
they already are guaranteed two years of forced play anyway. and they turned down an eight year. sounds like they are going with one year-not long term
by orange velvet on Dec 13, 2011 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
I think the Giants want 4 years
Timmy wants 1-2 or 8.
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Both of those positions seem reasonable, if you put yourself in their respective places.
How sould the swarm feel about getting Tim for 5-6 years? How much would you pay for that?
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
i would poay cliff lee money for Lincecum ASAP
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
I’m fine going year to year with Lincecum.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 13, 2011 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
This
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he may be the one person who i also am ok with going year to year...
but a long term 8 year deal is still something i would pursue because if we can go 7 on ZITO we can go 8 on tim.
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
even with a $120m payroll
the short term FA strategy is a winner. I hope the Giants stick with it.
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Beltran would fit into that strategy
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absolutely
not backloading Beltran on a 3 yr deal is puzzling.
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It will go down.
I honestly have no doubt about it. As the Rowand and Zito money come off the books, they are not going to start spending again like drunken sailors.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 13, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
Sure
but they need to account for the spending somewhere. The Zito/Rowand excuse is ending soon.
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but they need to account for the spending somewhere.
They really don’t.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 13, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
too big to fail.
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
Doing some napkin math...
I came up with… er… 21.5%.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
also please consider that the giants will not be going with a 6 man bullpen.
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
Yes
that the seventh guy is going to unbelievable expensive.
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THEY COULD SIGN MADISON TO A 13M/YEAR DEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by say hey nation on Dec 13, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
that 8th guy might be too...
i see them carrying 8 and at 480k that’s almost a million more. so we are talking about 22.5 million on a bullpen.
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
That's still
17.6% of the payroll.
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your right, 17.6% is totally reasonable when you cant feild a SS or LF.
and if you exclude zito and rowand that number jumps to about 23%
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
1) still not 30 percent
2)
In 2010, the Giants bullpen had a 8.6 rWAR and 6.6 fWAR
In 2011, the Giants bullpen had a 7.7 rWAR and 5.5 fWAR
Split those and you get a 8.1 rWAR and 6 fWAR…depending on how you value WAR for relief pitchers…it’s about right.
In know
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my point was that the Ginats have glaring weaknesses
and are so cash strapped that they cant afford to tender a contract to jeff keppinger who at the most would have made probably 2 million yet it is spending a large chunk on bullpen when it has been proven you can get the same or better results with cheaper options.
if you think having a 22+ million dollar bullpen is reasonable on a team that has a 22 million dollar infield then that’s your opinion.
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
But the RP spending isn’t handcuffing the team, its spending 30+ million on Zito and Rowand.
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by say hey nation on Dec 13, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
This
$130m isn’t exactly pinching pennies
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
Spending is spending
I don’t think you can viably contend that the money we’ll be spending on Affeldt and Lopez had no effect on our pursuit of Beltran.
I’d rather have had Verdugo Runzler and Beltran than Lopez Affeldt and Nate.
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So simple yet so true
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this.
hembree, and others will be ready… in 2012 as well
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
As would I. I just think this org is being held back by 1) Zito and ROwand monies and 2) the owners wanting a healthy profit margin.
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by say hey nation on Dec 13, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
Look, I’d never deny that Zito and Rowand have a negative effect on the org’s ability to acquire needed talent.
But the existence of Zito and Rowand doesn’t necessarily mean that they’re allocating their other resources efficiently.
On that second point, I, as a raging capitalist, would never begrudge them that. I do begrudge them telling me that “winning is our only priority” and then letting money hold them back from winning.
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Look, I’d never deny that Zito and Rowand have a negative effect on the org’s ability to acquire needed talent.
Brian has gone on KNBR and said those crappy contracts would not effect their signings going forward. It was during one of his Razor and Mr. T interviews.
Brian is a liar.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 13, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
this.
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
Oh no
Brian Sabean is a liar.
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At least he’s not a lawyer AMIRITE!
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who needs a lawyer when you have friends like sabean...heyy ohhhh
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not really sure your response has a purpose
However, if it does I am sure it is a stupid one. Hopefully, you will explain and I will be able to confirm this.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 13, 2011 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
I AGREE WITH YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OK!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just feel that spending 20% of your budget on RP isn’t that big of a deal. Would I prefer it otherwise? Of course but in the grand scheme of things this team offers me so much to become enraged about I can’t find it in me to get upset over the team paying for RP.
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by say hey nation on Dec 13, 2011 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
this team offers me so much to become enraged about I can’t find it in me to get upset over the team paying for RP.
fair enough.
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
It's a big deal if it prevents you from winning games.
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In a vacuum of course that isn't the iss
The issue is that overpaying for a bullpen is likely the reason we won’t be able to re-sign Beltran who would help us not be the worst offense in the NL again
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
But I don’t see us not getting Beltran b/c of the RP I see us not getting Beltran b/c the Giants have a shitty philosophy.
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by say hey nation on Dec 13, 2011 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
a philosophy which
includes paying 5 million a piece for RPs?
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
No a philosophy the prioritizes pitching over offense. The team could and would sign Beltran right now if they wanted to. What’s stopping them is that they think they are set.
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by say hey nation on Dec 13, 2011 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
then they are dumber than i thought
even with the return of posey and freddy the giants offense is still middle of the road. if any injuries happen then they are back to 2011.
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
i agree
100% but its too late to worry about Zito and Rowand, which is why i like to pretend they dont exist, and stop throwing money away in 5 million dollar chunks at RP’s.
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
Zito and Rowand
Everyone regrets the deals (except maybe the two players involved and their agents/families), but most teams have contracts they regret. Pretending like they don’t exist in order to inflate your argument about the percentage of money being spent on the bullpen is somewhat disingenuous
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i would venture to guess that the only team in the MLB who has contracts as bad as the Giants is the Angels.
they havent made any big signings this offseason have they?
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
1) Phillies
2) Yankees
3) Red Sox
4) Cubs
5) Astros
6) Orioles
7) Mariners
8) Mets
9) WS
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not sure what the list is suppose to represent?
if you are telling me there are teams who spend more i agree, but i was focussing on bad contracts…signing lee, halladay, howard, hamels etc…doesnt mean those contratcs are bad…although i will say the mariners and white sox have some bad contracts.
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
Really
Ryan Howard is probably one of the worst contracts out there. You are also forgetting about Ibanez, Blanton, Lidge (now Papelbon)
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sure, but if the Giants had a 1B who had howard's numbers we would
have a drastically better team.
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
Dude makes the last out in the playoffs.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 13, 2011 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
dude is in the playoffs
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
So because he can hit it makes his contract not bad? If most teams had a 5th starter who pitched as well as Zito has, they would be improved.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 13, 2011 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
if he can hit 30 hrs and 100 rbi's than yes it makes his contract not as bad.
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
Well, shit, for 150 rbis we should give him $1 billion
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 13, 2011 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
Contracts have context to them. The Howard deal is ridiculous for so many reasons. But first on foremost b/c he was given full market value on a contract that didn’t take effect for 3 or so years after it was signed. With no out clause for the team.
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by say hey nation on Dec 13, 2011 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
exactly...his deal might hamstring phillie in 2015
but it will not stop them from being competitive…the giants big deals will/are.
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
How did the Howard deal not hamstring them? The deal starts THIS year and is an average of 25M AND THE DUDE IS GOING TO MISS PART THE SEASON THIS YEAR! If they hadn’t of signed Howard to that deal they could of had Pujols for the same AAV, albeit it a longer period. But who do you think the Phillies would rather have? Howard at 5/125 or Pujols at 10/250?
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by say hey nation on Dec 13, 2011 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
Howard
was also probably the reason why they couldn’t re-sign Werth. In the long run that probably worked out but it definitely handstrung the Phillies last year.
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actually the werth thing was totally dumb because they went on to resign blanton to a 3/24 so it was basically that hey didnt want werth and wanted to see if dom brown was ready.
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think the Phillies actually thought Werth was any good.
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i agree
the guy was a journeyman for the early part of his career and was surrounded by a high octane offense and produced well…then he went to DC and he was the same old werth.
some might say he was WERTH-LESS.
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
Werth was not what I would call a journeyman. He was more a high potential player who couldn’t stay on the field.
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by say hey nation on Dec 13, 2011 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
i will concede that.
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
You're only hamstrung by a deal if it prevents you from spending money you need to spend to win.
The Phillies are obviously not hamstrung by the Howard deal, as evidenced by all the other spending they’re still doing and have done since giving it out.
Look, if the Giants had signed Reyes and Pujols this offseason, no one would say that they were hamstrung by the Zito and Rowand deals, because it would have been obvious that it wasn’t affecting their spending.
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But the team was unable to improved b/c of the Howard deal. Do you agree there?
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by say hey nation on Dec 13, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
i would say i marginally agree
they didnt improve via free agency, but the did through trades and the real test will be if they actually resign pence and hamels…if not then i agree 100%
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
I do not agree
Where’s the evidence of that? The only thing you could plausibly point to would be, maybe, their failure to re-sign Werth.
But really, there’s an extenuating circumstance there, which was the Nationals massive offer (I think the Phillies reportedly offered something like 70-80 million).
That and the Phillies never seemed to think he was very good.
I’m just searching for an instance of a time when money would have helped the Phillies but they didn’t spend it. I can’t think of one.
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This year. If they hadn’t of signed Howard 3 years ago he’d be an injured 1B looking for work and the Phils would be free to sign him at a reduce rate or years or have sign Fielder or Pujols who are both better players.
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by say hey nation on Dec 13, 2011 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
im sure pujols
but lets not pretend that howard’s deal is going to stop them from signing hamels, pence, and others as necessary to win…please see the retarded contratc they just gave paelbon, knowing that howard was injured and that the contract will start this year…their philosophy is win and make money and our philosphy is make money and maybe win…my point is that zito’s deal and rowands deal will effect how we lock p players like sandoval, bumgarner, lincecum and cain…the phillies face no such problem.
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
So if some random dude punched you in the face today, and tomorrow, I punched you in the face twice as hard, you’d be cool with me doing it, right? But that other guy is an asshole.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 13, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
huh?
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
exactly…his deal might hamstring phillie in 2015
That’s what leads me to believe that you’d be okay with being punched in the face tomorrow. As long as it isn’t today.
The Howard contract is bad. It might not be currently preventing the Phillies to spend money today because they’re printing it in the basement of their stadium, but it is still a terrible contract.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 13, 2011 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
if being punched in the face meant winning a WS then yes punch me in the face twice as hard tomorrow.
but i have a strong feeling the phillies will never let money stop them from trying to win.
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
1-The Howard contract is probably one of the worst in the league
2- Hamels hasn’t signed yet. He is still going through the arb process.
3- A majority of those teams have worse contracts than the Giants
1) Phillies (Howard, Papelbon)
2) Yankees (don’t count)
3) Red Sox (don’t count)
4) Cubs (Soriano, Zambrano,
5) Astros (Lee)
6) Orioles(not sure why they are here)
7) Mariners (See
8) Mets (Johan, Bay)
9) WS (Rios, Dunn, Peavy)
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by say hey nation on Dec 13, 2011 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
i agree howard's deal sucks for the phillies
but i would rather be paying 20-25 million for a average line of 45 hr’s 136 rbi’s and .275 than for zito.
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
which would be good enough for 5th on the 2011 Giants
god im depressed
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
Astros also have Rodriguez
Orioles have Markakis making 12.3 M in 2012 and 15.6 M in 2013 and 2014. Also Roberts is making $10 M for the next 3 years.
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check this out
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/
this website will shine some light on the contracts discussion.
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
You getting tied up in semantics is hilarious.
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Some quick math here. 10% of 130 is 13 and 1% is 1.3.
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by say hey nation on Dec 13, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
We have found the 1%
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if that 7th guy is zito it very well could be....
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
That’s a different story. The Giants reasoning when they signed Zito probably didn’t involve him being in the bullpen.
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by say hey nation on Dec 13, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
since when has reason factored into signings?
Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.
by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
Well if you want to say the giants strategy is to spend 30% on RP then you cannot include Zito. Mainly because the Giants strategy when they sign Zito was for him to be a starting pitcher and not a relief pitcher.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Dec 13, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
i guess i shouldnt have thrown out 30% to start with
but the fact that they are spending 17.6%-23% depending on how you look at it on RP’s when they cannot filed a competent Infield is what i was going for. I mean how many teams have to prove year in and year out that there are affordable RP’s out there? Tampa Bay,
Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.
by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
San Diego, Arizona, etc.
Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.
by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
It's almost like it's not that hard to make your bullpen better
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LOL
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 13, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
haha playaaa
Yankee star Derek Jeter, one of New York’s most eligible hunks since his split with longtime gal pal Minka Kelly, is bedding a bevy of beauties in his Trump World Tower bachelor pad — and then coldly sending them home alone with gift baskets of autographed memorabilia.
The Yank captain’s wham-bam-thank-you-ma’am kiss-offs came to light when he mistakenly pulled the stunt twice on the same woman — forgetting she had been an earlier conquest, a pal told The Post.
"Derek has girls stay with him at his apartment in New York, and then he gets them a car to take them home the next day. Waiting in his car is a gift basket containing signed Jeter memorabilia, usually a signed baseball," the friend dished.
"This summer, he ended up hooking up with a girl who he had hooked up with once before, but Jeter seemed to have forgotten about the first time and gave her the same identical parting gift, a gift basket with a signed Derek Jeter baseball," the pal said.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/jeter_booty_hauls_smU8lFebpsBGJXpyHoMKSN
MOON LANDING? BEAR GRYLLS!
classy.
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by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
That's a lot of Herpes
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Just herpes?
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
by calgiants86 on Dec 13, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
I think the baseball is a nice gesture
Hopefully the basket includes some nice artisanal cheeses as well
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And a bottle of Valtrex
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 13, 2011 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
autographed Valtrex
Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.
by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
You get really calm-eyed cold sores from him.
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bi-racial angel
Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.
by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
Holy shit
my God.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
and the hits just keep on comin'
Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.
by James Westfall on Dec 13, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
Wow.....
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 13, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
OT: Talk about SSS
Are they suggesting banning even hands-free use of phones? More importantly, are they seriously making a recommendation to change the law in 50 states based on a single accident?
CHICAGO (MarketWatch) — The National Transportation Safety Board recommended Tuesday that there be a ban on “the non-emergency use of portable electronic devices (other than those designed to support the driving task) for all drivers” in all 50 states and the District of Columbia because of their potential to distract motorists and cause accidents. The NTSB said it came to that conclusion based on its investigation of a 2010 traffic accident in Gray Summit, Mo., in which two people were killed and 35 were injured when the driver of a pickup truck was text messaging and failed to see a tractor, causing a chain of collisions.
Honestly, they need to do this. If only to have a uniformed laws when crossing state lines.
Also, I bet they have some data from states that have already banned them.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Dec 13, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
I dunno, everyday I’m dodging distracted dipshit drivers. I don’t want a law against it, I want a device that would either vaporize their phone, or permanently fuse the thing to their hand and ear.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Looks like they are indeed recommending banning the use of even hands-free phones. This seems extreme. I did hear something on NPR a few years ago that suggested that the risk is the same if drivers are using the phone or their ear or hands-free. However, the risk was supposedly not increased when drivers were engaged in conversation with other passengers in the car. The explanation was that the other passengers could see cues that would let them know when there was danger and would thus help the driver avoid it. I wonder if they will prohibit me from speaking to my legally blind daughter in the back seat?
I don’t see how a hands free ban would even be enforced with blu-tooth n’such.
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Officer: Do you know why I pulled you over?
Me: Actually, no. Was I speeding?
Officer: No, you were talking and there is nobody in the car with you. You must have been on the phone.
Me: No, I was singing along to Lucky Star.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Officer: But the radio is not on.
Me: I think I forgot to take my thorazine this morning because I can hear it loud and clear.
Me: I was screaming at the other drivers! I don’t think they’ve ever heard of turn signals!
Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006
An economics professor once posited to me
That the simplest way to reduce the number of vehicular deaths would be to install a large spike coming out of the steering wheel, pointed at the driver’s heart. The subsequent increase in driver carefulness would reduce accidents by orders of magnitude, or so he thought.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
My husband recently got a ticket for using the GPS on his android while at a full stop in the middle of a traffic jam. Yes, he had it in his hand while checking how bad the snarl-up was and what was the best route out of it, but as I say, fully stopped (as was everyone else), and not talking on it.
NorCal passion trapped in SoCal pain...
I wanna rage.
Any LOLs for Warriors giving $7 million to Kwame Brown?
How depressing.
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
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by Murray, Present on Dec 13, 2011 12:03 PM PST reply actions
plenty of LOL
the more things change, the more they stay the same.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
The people justifying it cuz of his low post defense are hilarious
We gave 7 mil to a role player
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The bright spots
Mullin would’ve given Kwame a multi-year deal.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 13, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
Wish it were the Giants instead
JonHeymanCBS Jon Heyman
#rockies have a bit of money to spend for a change. beyond beltran/cuddyer, they are looking at kuroda, saunders, trades
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 12:10 PM PST reply actions
Hah!
In order for the Giants to have Rockie money, we’d probably have to win a world series, sell out every game for a whole season, and play in a much bigger market than Denver!
Like that’ll ever happen!
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
facepalm
I hate how offseason priorities went from locking up pitching, then Beltran, shifted to RDF, RDF, and RDF.
Why do my owners like profit>winning? Championships are the wealthy's bragging rights in Yacht rooms. #RDF can go to #!@%^
by Myemail21479 on Dec 13, 2011 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
Even being as cynical as I am towards the Giants
I have a difficult time believing that they are cool with Beltran going to another NL West team.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 13, 2011 12:23 PM PST reply actions
Would they dare blow up the RDF?
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 13, 2011 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
That is a lot of fun!
Thanks for sharing the link.
Why do my owners like profit>winning? Championships are the wealthy's bragging rights in Yacht rooms. #RDF can go to #!@%^
by Myemail21479 on Dec 13, 2011 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
I continue to harbor a dark hope that they're just driving the price down.
As I’ve said before, if you take Melky off the books that’s like $6 million right there!
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Trade him for someone we actually have a use for.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Anything at the major league level? At this point, I wouldn’t expect so. But I’d rather have the roster spot and the $6 million he’ll make to sign Beltran on a 2 year deal instead.
Before the non-tender deadline, I wanted to package Cabrera and Keppinger somewhere. They’re good enough to be major leaguers on another team, but they don’t really have any value to the Giants.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Can we throw in Zito and maybe Rowand’s corpse?
I hear you. I just think (to paraphrase a certain GM we all love) that ship has sailed.
Sabean is probably not cool with it, but do you think if Beltran signs with Colorado, the owners will make less money?
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 13, 2011 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
If the Giants don’t make it to the playoffs because of Colorado, then yes.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Even if they don't make the playoffs,
We still have to play them 18 times next year. If we go 8-10 against them when we could otherwise go 12-6, then it makes a pretty big difference.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I just found out my new co-worker is a Rockies fan. He has a Tulowitzki bobblehead thingy on his desk.
Check his drawers for TEBOW!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 13, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
I got no beef with Rockies fans
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Tell him he is fired.
If he asks why, you let him know that some nerb on a messageboards said so.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 13, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe
But if he makes noises about you being on MCC, you can just bat your eyelashes at him or something.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 13, 2011 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
That should work
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 13, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
That’s twice as effective on IT guys.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 13, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
Four times if they are wearing spectacles.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 13, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
works for me
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
YOU HAVE A TULO BOBBLEHEAD???
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 13, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
I can draw one.
cleavage is worth the extra effort
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
Wait a second
If we make noise about you being on MCC, will you react the same way?
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 13, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
Chest hair? I’ve lost some weight, so my cleavage is lacking.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 13, 2011 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Ask him on a date and spit in his food.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Dec 13, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
I think the Rockies are just using Beltran as leverage in their negotiations with Cuddyer.
We’ll see.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
I hope so because as I posted above
d_a_cameron David Cameron
Carlos Beltran is really good. Michael Cuddyer is okay. Why would one team want one or the other? You want Beltran, Colorado.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
It is not even close
In half a year Beltran put up the WAR Cuddyer did in his last 2 full years. His full years totally lap him. Every part of his game is better.
Why do my owners like profit>winning? Championships are the wealthy's bragging rights in Yacht rooms. #RDF can go to #!@%^
by Myemail21479 on Dec 13, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
shhh...
Don’t tell the Rockies
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
LOL You.
You obviously haven’t been reading my posts on here the past couple of days.
Get up to date:
http://motorcitybengals.com/2011/12/09/market-for-beltran-suspiciously-calm-and-we-know-what-that-means/
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
There’s the whole injury risk factor. That has been used as an explanation for the apparent lack of interest in Beltran.
The Rockies have been mentioned as interested in Cuddyer for some time now. All of a sudden they’re interested in Beltran?
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 13, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
This should be fun
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2011/12/13/2633738/community-projection-rejection-miguel-tejada
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2011/12/13/2633738/community-projection-rejection-miguel-tejada
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