Two Moves that Can Still Happen
by jake24 on Dec 11, 2011 9:39 AM PST
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With the Giants only having one-two million to spend left to spend this offseason, there are a couple of free agents that can fill that salary. I am pretty sure that there is some dough set aside for Matt Cain, but there is not much money left. The Giants might be done dealing for players any way, but these are two moves I feel that are still in the realm for Sabean and the Giants considering their payroll.
Sign Ryan Ludwick
Ludiwick might not be much of an upgrade over Cody Ross, but he has more potential and upside then Ross has at this point in his career. Ludwick hit .237 with 13 homeruns, and 75 RBI’s in nearly 140 games for the Pirates and Padres last year. Note that PNC Park and Petco Park are known as pitchers parks, telling us that he will clearly be able to hit at At&T Park.
Back in 2008 he hit 37 home runs for the Cardinals, which leads me to think that he still has some pop left in his bat. Last year he made approximately seven million, which I expect to decrease by about three to four million for the team that decides to offer him a contract. Point is, the Ludwick has the upside to rack up 70-90 RBI’s which is something the Giants desperately need, and he might come at a relatively cheap price compared to other free agents such as Carlos Beltran or Michael Cuddyer.
Trade: Trade one to two and Jeremy Affeldt prospects to the Marlins for Emilio Bonifcaio
With the signing of Jose Reyes, the Marlins need to find a spot for Bonifacio which could end up being quite hard. Assuming that they will hold onto Hanley Ramirez and have him be their starting third basemen, Bonifacio could play any position in the outfield expect right because of Mike Stanton, and second base is the other possibility. Now if the Giants offered a solid prospect and Jeremy Afledt for Bonifacio the Marlins might bite.
Bonifacio finished second in the NL for stolen bases at 40. This would bring some much needed speed to the Giants lineup. Bonifacio would also become a .300 hitter in the leadoff spot for the Giants, if Angel Pagan doesn’t want to fill that void. The most important trait that Bonifacio could bring is versatily because he can play any position with the exception first. If the Giants have injury problems again, this could be extremely beneficial.
What would the Giants have to give for Bonifacio?
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Ludiwick might not be much of an upgrade over Cody Ross, but he has more potential and upside then Ross has at this point in his career. Ludwick hit .237 with 13 homeruns, and 75 RBI’s in nearly 140 games for the Pirates and Padres last year. Note that PNC Park and Petco Park are known as pitchers parks, telling us that he will clearly be able to hit at At&T Park.
This really isn’t the right site to use AVG/HR/RBI as a statistical measurement for how good a player is.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
It has not been lately, but it is a time honored way to measure a players worth. Have you heard of the triple Crown?
by bradleybear on Dec 11, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
Time honored, and relatively terrible.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Maybe they should change the triple crown to something more useful lolol?
OBP/ SLG/ OPS?
wOBA/ ISO/ batting WAR?
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Dec 11, 2011 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
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SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
by SnowLeopard on Dec 12, 2011 12:38 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Even BA/OBP/SLG would be acceptable.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
by Cody_ransom on Dec 12, 2011 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
You realize of course that the origin of the “Triple Crown” is an advertisement for a liquor company re-appropriated from previous advertisements for horse racing.
I’m not entirely sure this is the most trustworthy source of useful information we could seek out.
MY DAD WAS WRONG!
MY BOY NEEDS TO THROW HARDER!
No.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Ludwick, no
The idea of acquiring Bonifacio is interesting, but for exactly none of the reasons you list.
Bonifacio is not a .300 hitter. He has never been before, why would he be now? His versatility is enticing, but he’s versatile in a can-play-lots-of-positions-poorly kinda way. If the Marlins are looking to move him, he’d be a solid pickup, but I wouldn’t expect much from him.
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Rich man’s Burriss.
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Or a Manny man's Rich Aurilia
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He hit .237 in a pitcher's park, huh?
Shouldn’t have any trouble in a bandbox like AT&T.
…Oh, wait…
I came, I saw, I told bad jokes and left.
its different for righties though.
Adoptive father of 18th round draft pick and future ace, BRANDON ALLEN
by Nnamdi Asomugha on Dec 11, 2011 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
If acquiring Ludwick is a move they could still make, I really hope they are done dealing
Mr. Flibble is very cross.
by Keenlow on Dec 11, 2011 11:37 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Affeldt alone is too much for Bonafacio. Bonafacio would have to have another good year to prove he is for real.
Ludwick does offer some righty power, maybe a Burrell replacement, but he also cannot field, I would
rather have Cody Ross, because Ross more than makes up in the outfield what he may cede to Ludwick
as a hitter. I am not sure on the hitting side that it is much. Could he make to the team worse by decreasing
playing time for guys like Belt, and Schierholtz?
Affeldt for Bonifacio would save about 4 mil. Affeldt+Burriss or Keppinger for Bonifacio wouldn’t hurt the Giants in anyway and may be more enticing to the Marlins. If they could then get one of the losers of the Fielder sweepstakes to take a 2-3 million dollar, 1 year gamble on Huff they’d open up a full time job for Belt AND be pretty close to clearing enough 2012 money for Beltran. Too bad Sabean never thinks like that.
Thing A
In fairness, we don't know that he hasn't thought like that or isn't thinking like that
Yes, I’d give up Burris, Affledt &Huff for Bonafacio and Beltran
These types of scenarios need a willing partner in order for them to happen. By assuming Sabean “never thinks like that”, you’re also assuming that both the Marlins would do that deal and that there’s a team willing to take on Huff and the money owed him.
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Right. It’s also worth pointing out that the Marlins do seem to see Bonafacio as the same kind of useful player that the OP does, as Ozzie several times last week mentioned that he’s going to explain to Hanley how much better he’ll be with Reyes and Bonafacio hitting in front of him. At the moment it looks like they’re going to try him in CF, but either way I do think they want to get him into the lineup.
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MY BOY NEEDS TO THROW HARDER!
I would consider trading a B- prospect for Bonifacio honestly.
His BABIP was ridiculous last year so he is probably only a .270 hitter. He can walk a bit but has no power. Probably a .670-700 OPS player, which would be a considerable improvement over Crawford. Bonifacio also has versatility, though he doesn’t play any single position well. He adds speed though which is nice, I wouldn’t consider him a lead off hitter, he could be a pesky slap hitter in that 8th spot though. Can’t expect him to be a 3 win player again, but 2 is possible. Definitely a possibility, not exactly exciting though.
As for Ludwick, he’s just so meh. If the Giants were to get him it would almost be like they are making a move just for the sake of making a move. Is he really going to perform that much better than Schierholtz/Belt/Huff? He does have some upside, I guess if the price was right he would be worth a flier.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Dec 11, 2011 12:19 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Pablo plus Affeldt for
Hanley and Bonifacio.
Get her done Sabes.
"Whoever said WAR is HELL must have been talking about Aaron Rowand" - McCoven faithful
No way I'd do that
Getting Hanley and trading away Pablo doesn’t really solve the SS problem since you’d probably have to either play Hanley at 3B or someone like Burriss, Fontenot or Bonifacio who have SS type bats at 3B. You get older, more expensive and worse defensively on the left side of the infield and its not all that likely you’ll even see that significant of an upgrade offensively.
Thing A
Pablo is quite likely to be better both offensively and defensively than Hanley next year. Hell no.
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Pablo > Hanley
Just Sayin.
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by Cody_ransom on Dec 12, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
I voted No...
Because I’m secretly still hoping for Affeldt for prospects + Beltran signing…
I know, I’m just a dreamer.
Well can you put your hands in your head oh no
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What About
Schierholtz and Affeldt to the Bosox for Scutaro and something else? You get your payroll flex, take a piece out of the OF for Beltran or Belt and you get your middle infield coverage. Boston is apparently tight on their budget as well, but that pen of theirs is terrible. Or Lowrie if you don’t like Scutaro. But I can’t believe the Giants are really convincing themselves that Burriss is gonna be the guy.
The outfield defense is getting a little scary, no?
I am thinking the only above average fielder out there is Schierholtz in right. If you move Cabrera there and put Belt in left, you may be asking for trouble. Don’t get me wrong, I like Belt. But he is a first baseman and seems to be able to play a decent left if you have Torres in center and Schierholtz in right. With Pagen and Cabrera I am thinking he would be exposed. Or maybe not since he might look better with those guys, but the Giants would be exposed.
Melky is an above average RF.
He’s a below average CF, though. Pagan had a very strong CF in 2010.
Pagan isn’t up to Torres range but he’s a good CF and a great corner OF. The airmailing throws and wrong base decisions, I think that’s mets fans getting a bit picky. I’ve seen him play about 40-50 games and liked his defense, besides that he’s collected a pretty nice highlight reel. One advantage over Torres is his arm. It will be an adjustment though, Torres was damn sweet and his range was simply the best.
Don’t get me wrong, I love NTG’s defense, and root for him hard. He may have reached his peak, and that maybe sort of a Randy Winn type. If you can put Beltran or Belt in RF you might have a big improvement which makes sacrificing defense worth it. Hard call though. Nate is cheap and plays a mean RF.
Actually I think the G’s are staying away from Don Carlos because of his defense and his baserunning. Throw in the injury risk and that’s that. They’d rather sacrifice the offense for everything else. The guys they went out and got have better range and you don’t have to sweat them going from 1st to 3rd every time. Throw in 20-30 SB potential and it might even out? Beltran’s bat is sweet though.
Melky, the new and improved? Melky, would be OK in right. He’ll definitely be OK in left. I view him sort of like Vogelsong – everybody expected him to fall on his face all year, and it just didn’t happen. He’s only 27. Finally gave up the drink/eat after failing a bunch. Sure he might regress some, but he also might keep it up.
Lots of questions this year for sure. If we could improve the hitting and the backup to Freddy/Crawford it might be worth it. But I can sort of squint and see what the G’s are doing. Good point about the defense, its just hard to quantify.
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