ZiPS on the Giants
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 1, 2011 1:14 PM PST
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PrintIf you're not familiar with Dan Szymborski's ZiPS projections over at Baseball Think Factory, then go. Rejoice. They're fun. You can learn a few things from what an advanced projection system sees in the numbers. The gap between Andres Torres and Justin Christian at the plate? Probably not that great, but that doesn't mean we won't blow a gasket when Torres is released.
And if you're thinking it would be a good idea to get these numbers on the desk of Brian Sabean, please don't. You want him to see that Brandon Belt is projected for a .268/.362/.452 line, good for a 121 OPS+. But he wouldn't see that. He'd just see that Brett Pill would project to lead the team in RBIs over a full season, despite barely outhitting Jeff Keppinger. Brrrrr. It just got cold in here. And here's your Brett Pill fact of the week: Pill is less than a year younger than Travis Ishikawa. Platoon of the future!
A bunch of things jump off the page. Brandon Crawford getting outhit by Orlando Cabrera, for one, but don't overlook that Szymborski's computer has actually seen what's going on inside Mark DeRosa's wrist. That is some serious SkyNet stuff, there. The biggest shocker is that Gary Brown would be projected for a 99 OPS+, which if his defense is half as good as it's supposed to be, would make him an incredibly valuable player right away. I want to believe. And while I'm crushed that Zack Wheeler is gone, remember that the first report had it as a Brown-for-Beltran swap, which would have been miserable.
But my favorite thing with projection systems -- especially with both ZiPS and PECOTA -- are the names that come up as comparable players for each player projected.
Freddy Sanchez: (Comp 1) Manny Trillo
Dammit. My favorite thing with projection systems is usually the comparable players. The Sanchez/Trillo comp gives me the jibblies, but only because Sanchez is the Giants' huge offseason acquisition. Here, though, is a partial roster made up of former Giants who were listed as comparable players for current Giants:
C - Mike McCormick, Not That One (Tommy Joseph)
1B - Mel Hall (Brandon Belt)
2B - Steve Scarsone (Bill Hall)
SS - Ernest Riles (Conor Gillaspie)
3B - Charlie Hayes (Mark DeRosa)
LF - Marquis Grissom (Gary Brown)
CF - Andres Torres (Darren Ford)
RF - Willie McGee (Francisco Peguero)
SP - Jim Deshaies (Barry Zito)
SP - Dustin Hermanson (Matt Cain)
RP - Jose Mesa (Guillermo Mota)
RP - Cory Bailey (Ramon Ramirez and Santiago Casilla)
RP - Ricky Pickett (Dan Runzler)
Obviously, these aren't supposed to be super-deadly accurate comps -- no one's claming that. But for the computer to spit out Ricky Pickett for Dan Runzler, there has to be something amazing going on. That's the greatest comp I've ever seen.
Overall, I was pretty pleased with most of the projections. The Giants' offense was once-in-a-generation awful last year, but it shouldn't have been. It should have been merely horrendous. And if there's any truth to these projections, it has a chance to be barely repugnant next year. I like those odds.
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Why wait? DFA BELT NOW!
And here’s your Brett Pill fact of the week: Pill is less than a year younger than Travis Ishikawa. Platoon of the future!
Wait a minute
Ishy is a FA, not even in the org!
by Myemail21479 on Dec 2, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
Interesting...
Andres Torres (Darren Ford)
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by howtheyscored on Dec 1, 2011 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
I was sad about that, too.
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by Ott on Dec 1, 2011 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
Yep.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 1, 2011 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
Reyes is projected for .297/.346/.459
And the highest reported offer he’s received is 90 million.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Say, do you think it might be a good idea for the Giants to pursue Reyes?
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 1, 2011 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
This is a new stance for GP.
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I think once 1 or 2 big dominoes go, those with money who lost will start throwing it at Reyes and others.
He wouldn’t want to play here anyway because hitters die in San Francisco. There’s even a Sarlacc where home plate should be.
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This still shocks me. I wonder what the cause is.
Is it the misconceived injury risk? or is just still early in the off season?
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by say hey nation on Dec 1, 2011 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
What scares me the most is that Phillies might be able to afford him at that price.
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by say hey nation on Dec 1, 2011 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
I’m surprised you didn’t mention Ehire out OPS’ing Crawford.
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Sometimes...
I forget that Pablo is only 25 y/o. Even if this is his peak, that’s effin good.
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by The Nick on Dec 1, 2011 1:20 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Good god, they kind of almost look alike, too.
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by Smoke on the Water on Dec 1, 2011 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
Crawford doesn’t get outhit by Cabrera (70 OPS+ to 67), but he still probably sucks.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 1, 2011 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
Crawford’s projection is right in line with Brendan Ryan and Alcides Escobar. Not sure his glove is quite that good, though.
Considering that Grant had Brendan Ryan as Crawford’s ceiling, that’s pretty good!
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NOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Looks like the Giants won’t be represented on next Netherlands WBC team. INF Sharlon Schoop, a 6-year minor league FA, signed with Royals.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 1, 2011 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
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Grant, you have nice jibblies.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 1, 2011 1:25 PM PST reply actions
It was just a glance.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 1, 2011 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
You seem pretty concerned about Grant’s jibblies.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 1, 2011 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
Hmm I think I'd rather have Wheeler than Brown
Could see an argument either way though
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by Gobroks on Dec 1, 2011 1:27 PM PST via mobile reply actions
why?
it appears that brown is going to be good, while wheeler could be good.
What?
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
its just seems like
wheeler is still trying to put it all together, and brown is a lot further along at that.
It doesn't seem like that at all.
They played at the exact same level last year, and there are still plenty of flaws in Brown’s game.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
such as?
im really not seeing any huge holes.
He doesn't walk, has limited power, and his offensive value is tied up in an ability to maintain a high BABIP
Which will make him, if these trends continue, a very volatile offensive player whose seasons are made or broken by the amount of ground ball singles he hits.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
i think if the kid learns how to take a pitch, he is going to be extremely valuable at the top of the lineup. and i really see that as the only hole in his game.
OK
What if he doesn’t?
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First step in learning to do that might be to stop giving interviews where he says he doesn’t like to do that.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 1, 2011 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, his minor league .400 OBP and .500 SLG are worrying.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 1, 2011 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
It's the .369 BABIP and the middling ISO and BB%
C’mon man, dig down a little.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Brown has crazy good speed and hits a ton of line drives. There’s a chance he maintains a really high BABIP. Maybe not .369, but .350 could be doable
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
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That's something that, like, 5 people in the major leagues are able to do over any length of time.
And it’s guys with more power than Brown has who do it.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
.350 was a wild guess. my point was that with his speed and propensity for line drives, he could maintain a higher than normal babip especially at AT&T
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
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Maybe
But he’s still highly BABIP dependent.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
This makes sense to me.
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Well ok
But here, take a look at the kind of plays who, over the past three years, have sustained a high BABIP:
You might have to do your own sorting, so I’ll give you the broad outline.
Most of the people who sustain high BABIPs are not light-hitting speedsters. They’re actually just really good hitters. Joe Mauer is in the top 10. So is Miguel Cabrera, David Wright, and Josh Hamilton.
In the top 15 players by BABIP over the past three years, there are maybe four of them that fit the kind of model you’re projecting out of Brown – Jackson, Bourne, Fowler, Ichiro.
Most players who sustain high BABIP do it by hitting the ball very very hard, not by being vroomy. Brown would have to be a very special player to do what you’re thinking he’s going to do.
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Most, but not all...
That’s about a full quarter of that BABIP list, and Brown certainly seems like he has the skillset to be on a list with Jackson, Bourne, Fowler and Ichiro.
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Sure
But it’s also worth noting that the “Vroom Caucus” on that list are also pretty mediocre as hitters. They hover ’round 100 wRC+
Of course, Brown only ever has to be an average hitter to be very valuable. But that certainly seems like his ceiling to me.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I’d say Michael Bourne is probably his ceiling.
In a best case scenario, I’d say he hits around .280/.340/.390 with plus defense and baserunning making him a ~4.5 win player.
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I’ve got to wonder if he ever even walks that much.
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Bourn put up a .294/.349 spread last year
with a ~7% walk rate
plus, it’s too early to say if it’s a trend or not, but Brown has been HBP 26 times so far in 143 games.
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Maybe he’s going to maintain his walk rate, but I think it’s likelier that it goes down as he gets to higher levels. I mean, Miguel Olivo had just as high a spread in the minors as Brown does. Obviously Brown can still have a BABIP driven OBP, whereas Olivo can’t, but that sets off at least one alarm bell in my head.
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Again, I think you have to take the HBP into account. It definitely seems like there are some players who are able to consistently add ~15-20 times on base a year via HBP and it’s possible Brown could be a player like that.
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I mean, right now
ZIPS is projecting him for a .275/.336 spread with 38 walks in 156 games. He doesn’t show them in the projections, but I’d bet part of that is 10+ HBP
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Yeah, I’m not sure how much I believe ZiPS. A 99 OPS+ seems pretty cray-z.
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At this point
It doesn’t seem crazy, it is crazy. He’s never played above high-A! The idea that he could walk into the majors right now and be an average hitter is nuts.
That’s fine, but that’s already accounted for in his IsoD, which is actually what I’ve been using rather than BB%. (I probably haven’t been clear about that.)
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I'm talking about his ceiling here
Not his most likely outcome.
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Ceiling is always a term that confuses me. Is this the 100th percentile outcome? The 95th percentile? If the former, isn’t every player’s ceiling that he develops massive power, an insanely discerning batting eye, and works on his D?
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I think people usually define it as
The best case scenario based on what the player has actually shown thus far, in terms of tools or statistics.
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When I think of ceiling its mainly from a MY EYES TELL ME position. Not so much to do with stats.
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by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2011 7:36 AM PST up reply actions
Doesn’t walk rate generally increase as a player gets older in the majors though?
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Post-peak of prime, yeah. My guess is that a falling BABIP would more than compensate for any increase in walk rate at that point.
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I think his power ceiling is a little higher than that. And I guess if his HBP thing is actually a repeatable skill his OBP ceiling likely is as well.
Plus if he becomes a regular, with his speed he’ll surely have a hit lucky year where he’s a .300 hitter; maybe several.
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So there is a precedent for this.
Seems to me that his high BABIP is currently due to both SLG and VROOM.
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What the hell how did he
get into my brain
For his career, Babitt played in 54 major league games in 1981, hitting .256 in 156 at bats.
Everyone hits in the California League
From what I’ve read, his ISO is mostly based on speed power.
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I understand this, and don’t expect him to continue to put up those numbers as he progresses, but I still think the hand wringing is a little odd for a guy with a 140wRC+ and what looked to me like very solid D in center field.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 1, 2011 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
It’s just premature to expect that he’ll be a good player in the major leagues.
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Also this.
To say that he “appears Brown is going to be good” at this point is more than a little presumptuous.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
i didnt say that i am wagering my first born child that brown is going to be good. just that i think he has a better chance then wheeler to be a staple on the giants.
And I don't think that's true at all, and I see no reason to believe it at this point.
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Also
I quoted you directly. Don’t make it sound like I was putting words in your mouth.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
i think he has a better chance then wheeler to be a staple on the giants.
Well, this is a pretty safe bet.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 1, 2011 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
He was saying that because Wheeler won’t play for the Giants.
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And I think ‘plenty of flaws’ is hyperbolic.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 1, 2011 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
Of course, this is true for any virtually player at a similar point in their career. Except Brandon Belt. He’s sure-fire.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 1, 2011 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
Not all 140 wRC+'s are created equal
In the majors, it doesn’t really matter how you get there, value is value. But when you’re looking at minor league stats and trying to guess a guy going forward, you’d like him to be better at things that don’t look so fluky.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Although you have to say that if the 70 Defense is legit from a CF, he’s likely to have value. Someone is going to need to give him a come to Jesus talk about working the count, though. Interestingly, he just destroyed LHP in the Cal League (.685 SLG!!! what the hey?). I’ll be interested to see what that means about his ability to hit RHP as he moves up.
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Isn’t this precisely the argument against Surkamp?
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Look at the Fangraphs leaderboards for the Cal League. There’s a pretty good argument to be made that Gary’s stats are among the most reliable of the top 10 performers, and that his exceptional performance as one of the best overall players in the league reflects that he was among the most talented players in the league.
First, a 7% walk rate is pretty good, btw. It’s not great, but it’s not a red flag. He can make contact—only striking out 12.1% of the time, good for 5th best in the league—and is fast enough that he should be able to beat a lot of balls in play.
And while we don’t have his batted ball data, he’s a line-drive hitter. That would also contribute to a high BABIP. I think 61 XBH should attest to the fact that he’s succeeding in hitting lots of line drives.
He ranks 14th in the league in bb/k ratio at .60. However, if you count his HBP to his BB total (reflecting the ability to get on base without putting the ball in play) the ratio climbs to .90, which ranks 3rd in the league. I mean, for crissakes, he had a .070 difference between avg and obp! THAT IS PRETTY GOOD BRO!
Calling a high BABIP fluky and saying that the guy can’t take a walk are pretty empty arguments to go about punking some other poster’s (admittedly!) optimistic personal opinion.
There are no hard and fast rules in baseball; BABIP describes real world events that really happen—guys who are fast beat out grounders, guys who roll over the ball and run slow (like 2011 Huff) make lots of outs, same with guys that hit lots of fly balls. Meanwhile, line drives fall in for hits at a rate of about .700 or more on average.
For a guy who legitimately competes for a batting title, a high BABIP is the norm. Again, going back to the fact that we’re describing real-world stuff, there are guys that are better hitters for average than most; Guys like Hanley Ramirez (.306 career BA, .339 career BABIP), Ichiro (.326, .351), Jacoby Ellsbury (.301, .325) all have high career BAs and high career BABIP.
FLUKY HITTERS ALL OF THEM! Only guys like Bonds (.298 AVG, 285 BABIP) and Pujols (.328 AVG, .311) represent REAL hitting abillity.
They do and they don’t. The fact that their career BA is higher than their BABIP is because they put so many fewer balls in play; they hit lots of home runs and take lots of walks. There are a few types that get batting titles: fast guys who hit lots of line drives and don’t strike out, guys who are exceptional hitters for power with elite batting eyes, and guys who get really lucky. Gary fits nearly into one of those groups.
Again, real world stuff. No golden means.
There is a lot of room for chance and coincidence; I think that a .336 average and a .400 OBP leave a lot of buffer room for HARD (say .070 or so in BABIP) regression while still allowing a player to be extremely valuable. Even then, that sort of regression should only happen in serious bad-luck years, as Gary Brown is exactly the type of hitter who should maintain a relatively high BABIP and high AVG.
He makes good hard contact and runs faster than almost anybody in baseball. 80 scouting grades are by definition extremely rare; Gary is a consensus 80 runner, and one of the few who can hit the ball hard and with authority.
Real world stuff. Composite indicators. No hard and fast rules. No golden mean everybody with different composite indicators will regress to.
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BABIP is one of the things that regresses hardest from the low minors to the majors, because quality of opponent defense increases dramatically. His walk rate and his ISO are middling as of now, and I dont have a ton of hope, based just on his first year stats, that he’ll have something more than an empty batting average.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
and what's your reaction to his ZIPS projection?
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I have no idea what to think of it.
I’d bet the under pretty hard though if he was called up. I asked Dan if ZiPS was taking college stats into account, and he said it kinda did, but it mostly went on his minor league numbers, which would lead me to think that it might be overrating his single-season A ball stats.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
well, it'll be very interesting to see what Brown does in Richmond/Fresno this year.
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Very much so
Especially since MiLB stats, imo, get exponentially more reliable as you move up in level.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Yes, increasingly good defense is a good point
But his avg. doesn’t count reaching on error. I’m sure more fly balls and line drives are caught and great defensive plays happen in the majors than minors.
But as I said, his numbers are so high—and his BABIP is not .400+ like many guys who rake in the cal league—that he has a lot of room for regression.
And guys who put a ton of balls in play, many of them line drives, who are really, really fast, are less prone to a BABIP swing than other guys.
In other words, the sample size of ‘balls in play’ is much larger for him. Three true outcome guys—guys like Brandon Belt—have far fewer balls in play. Therefore, good and bad luck—or outs being made into hits and hits into outs—will have a much stronger affect on his average.
and see young pitchers / injuries thing. would be too suprised if this trade ends up like alderson for sanchez
Wheeler is a lot better than Alderson. By the time Alderson was traded, he was losing a lot of velocity.
But I do think there is a higher degree of risk with pitchers.
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Alderson was never anything like Wheeler. He was always a low velocity, good command pitcher whose velocity got lower. Wheeler is the opposite: huge velocity and an inconsistent by jaw dropping breaking ball. If he can throw strikes he’s going to be a good major league pitcher. And even if he struggles to throw strikes consistently he’s got enough ceiling to go the way of someone like Homer Bailey who’s now put in about 400 major league innings of back end starter work and probably can continue to do so for a few more years.
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Hard to say that
Wheeler is a few years younger
Wheelers walk rate is not inspiring, but appears to have gone down in AA for the Mets.
But Cain and Bumgarner were also first rounders out of HS, and they were in the ML at Wheelers current age.
Yeah that is a good point.
I believe Roger consistently pointed out that Wheeler was pretty old for his draft class and that combined with missing a lot of time due to a cracked fingernail in 2010 did slow his development
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by Gobroks on Dec 1, 2011 1:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Look at Jonathan Sanchez's MiLB numbers
his walk rate was far better than anything Wheeler has achieved. Think about that. If guys just getting into pro ball can tell when he’s not near the zone, how do you think professional hitters will fare? It got much harder for Johnny. Look at Surkamp—rarely walked anybody in AA, struck out tons of guys—but he walked more than he struck out in MLB.
If you walk lots of guys in the minors, it’s going to be harder to walk less in the majors. Wheeler’s stuff is that good that he may be able to mitigate that a little by preventing a dramatic increase. But remember Sanchez. He had possibly the best stuff on a staff with three aces. Walked way more guys in the pros than the Minors.
His control issues are serious. They may be fixed, like poof, magic. But they may not.
That’s why TINSTAAP holds pretty true; pitchers are unpredictable. Many top pitching prospects fail spectacularly at reaching their potential.
All that said, I’m still extremely bummed about Wheeler. His stuff is elite.
But he’s no sure thing. He could be an All-star pitcher; he could be a MiLB journeyman who never learns how to throw strikes through a full season.
I think Wheeler has a higher ceiling
Especially if reverting to his HS delivery has given him better command. (He used with the Mets but it’s hard to say whether it was a step forward or SSS noise)
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by Gobroks on Dec 1, 2011 1:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
and brown seems like things are going to goo well for him, IMO
would probably be the smart bet. plus current need, we have a solid staff. long term CF? not so much
I don’t think current need factors into this at all. They are both too far away to make a difference this year.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 1, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
I think our 5th (Zito) starter is worse than our CF (Melky), so we still need pitching.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
id rather have a bad 5th starter
who plays once every 5 games, (when posey and others get the day off) then a clank mitt galloping around the outfield like a drunken 3 legged camel with gout out there EVERY DAY.
So you'd rather lose EVERY 5th game?
Then you’d you have to win 62.5% of the other games just to get to .500.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
It may feel like it but every Zito start is not a guaranteed loss.
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My point still holds tho, Melky is (let’s just use ZiPS) an above average hitter, where Zito is a below average pitcher (and then Surkamp will save the day while being exactly average), so overall, our 5th starter is worse than our CF.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
Melky was a 4.2 WAR player last year.
When he regresses to a 105 OPS+, he’ll still be a 3 WAR player. There is no way Zito/Surkamp come close to 3 WAR.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
How about when he regresses to career norm of 93 OPS+ and he is a 1 WAR player?
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That will happen in 2013 after his free agent signing and hopefully not in San Francisco.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 1, 2011 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure we have a long term rotation
Sure but Bumgarner is the only member of the rotation signed for more than 2 years. So the Giants SP depth isn’t very strong either
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I like him
He wasn’t even a pitcher 2 years ago
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I would think so
But he spent most of his time as a 1B and then became a dude who threw 95 MPH and got 900K
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and thus far he has nothing resembling a second pitch.
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I wonder what the Giants will do with him
I mean his experience and repertoire would dictate EST and SK, but Madison Bumgarner had a similar profile (albeit with much better command) and they sent him to the SAL
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Im pretty optimistic with Tidrow getting a blank slate in Crick with premium stuff.
His muscle memory is young; they can refine his mechanics. They can teach him pitches the right way. They can teach him to pitch from scratch.
I hope they just try to create a clone of Matt Cain.
My goodness, that would be awesome.
True
Although Timmy has said he only wants a 1-2 year deal and Vogelsong…who knows? I guess I’m saying that teams can go through SP depth really quickly
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It’s pretty cool how the Giants have been pulling good starting pitching out of their ass as needed.
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by Gobroks on Dec 1, 2011 1:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
It’s not an outrageous scenario to imagine us being one of the sad sisters of the NL by 2014 frankly. Matt walks, Tim walks and we could start looking weak in a hurry.
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dont even talk about this stuff
But if they intend to walk, they will in likelihood be traded for elite prospects.
2014 we may suck. But depending on those prospects and the attrition rate of Crick, Blackburn, and Mejia… the team could be pretty awesome in 2015 with Buster, MadBum, and Belt as the older members of a new core.
I would legitimately cry and fall into depression if we lost Timmy AND Cain though. I just love them so fucking much.
But if they intend to walk, they will in likelihood be traded for elite prospects.
Easy to say, hard to do. In this century, it looks like there’ve been 10 trades involving Cy Young pitchers (11 if you want to count Eric Gagne, though he’d already been let go by the team he won the CYA with). That’s Roy Halladay, Zack Greinke, Cliff Lee x3, Jake Peavy, CC Sabathia, Johan Santana, and Randy Johnson x2 (to the NYY and back again). Here’s the complete list of prospects who have been acquired for those elite pitchers:
Travis D’Arnaud
Kyle Drabek
Michael taylor
Jake Odirizzi
Lorenzo Cain
Alcides Escobar
Jeremy Jeffriss
Jason Knapp
Carlos Carasco
Lou Marson
Jason Donald
J.C. Ramirez
Philippe Aumont
Tyson Gilles
Matthew Lawson
Justin Smoak
Blake Beavan
Josh Lueke
Dexter Carter
Aaron Poreda
Clayton Richard
Adam Russell
Rob Bryson
Zach Jackson
Matt LaPorta
Deolis Guerra
Carlos Gomez
Philip Humber
Kevin Mulvey
Brad Halsey
Dioner Navarro** (deal also included Javier Vazquez who would later be traded for Chris Young)
Alberto Gonzalez
Russ Oldendorf
Steven Jackson
Luiz Vizcaino
I think that Carlos Martinez is actually the leader in career WAR from that group of players, and in fact, it looks like the Twins got the best package of any of those 10 trades, despite being pretty widely panned for overplaying their hand at the time.
Certainly D’Arnaud is still a fantastic prospect, and I still hold out a little hope for Aumont. Smoak could get his body and his game together at some point (though his stadium won’t help him), but he’s definitely been a disappointment, as has LaPorta.
I’ll say this: combining the players acquired for those elite pitchers into one organization wouldn’t get you a start on a decent roster.
I can keep going back, too:
Roger Clemens for Homer Bush, Graeme Lloyd and David Wells.
Pedro Martinez for Carl Pavano and Tony Armas, Jr. actually looks pretty good by comparison, though Pavano didn’t give the Expos much value.
To really get a good trade you have to go back to Randy Johnson for Freddy Garcia, Carlos Guillen, and John Halama back in 1998, but even that deal acquired good solid complimentary pieces rather than building blocks.
Especially in today’s environment where teams really value their cost controlled inventory, turning even elite players in their walk years into prospect gold is getting much harder to accomplish. Very few deals turn out like the haul o’ gold Mark Teixiera trade.
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by Roger on Dec 2, 2011 8:02 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
There’s no way they’re going to trade Cain or Timmy to pick up prospects. Unless the next two seasons fall apart, the team is going to go for it all no matter what 2014 may look like. And just think of the uproar if one of them are traded. I know it’s probably maybe the wise decision and public reaction not the most important part but those two have a special place in fans hearts and there will be a LOT of people pissed off including a lot of ticket holders
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 2, 2011 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
Giants will not trade either.
I just don’t see any reason why Timmy or Cain would sign elsewhere if the money is close. I know about the offense struggling but that’s should get better as the Rowand/Huff deals go away and Buster, Panda, Belt, and Brown take over.
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You don't see any reason
But players do it all the time.
If I asked you last offseason if you thought that Uribe would go to the Dodgers when the Giants offered him the same amount of money, you probably woulda thought he’d stay too.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
No
Uribe did not have any long term ties with the Giants. He was looking for a deal with the most money.
I actually was surprised that Huff came back but the contract worked for both the Giants and Huff at the time.
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Uribe didn't have long term ties other than his beloved uncle who played for the team for many years
And the two years he spent on the team, winning a world series.
Other than those, no, no long term ties.
The Giants will have to pay the most money to keep Matt or Tim. Even then, they might want to leave anyway.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Yeah
but he started with the Rockies and played most of his career with the White Sox (where he also won a WS). The Giants and Uribe had two one-year deals…not that much loyalty there.
Sure they may leave, I just think the Giants have a very good shot of keeping both of them longterm.
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If they offer them the most money, they have a very good shot
But players leave teams all the times, for many reasons. Insisting that the Giants have an inside track doesn’t seem to be backed up by anything.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Because the market develops in crazy ways and a good agent will certainly try to steer his client that way.
Besides, is the money going to be close? Cliff Lee signed for 5 yrs. $120 million. Sabathia just reupped for 5 yrs. $122 mill off a 7 yr $161 contract. The Giants are showing a disinclination for long term contracts past 4 yrs these days. Certainly the best way for their agents to play it is to get them out on the market and see what other teams think they’re worth and anything can happen at that point.
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For FA
I can see the Giants giving Cain a Weaver type deal and Lincecum a Lee/Halladay type deal.
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That would be over $200 million and 10 years of commitments. Which I’d be happy with, but it’s worth noting that both Lee and Weaver are considered to have left considerable money on the table, which undermines the “if the money’s close” argument a bit. Weaver probably took $20-40 million out of his pocket with this deal.
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Weaver is better than Cain but Cain is younger.
Lee did not leave money on the table, he took a shorter deal with high per year. He believed that he could get more than $15 mil per after his contract with the Phillies (Phillies 5/$120 million, Yankees 6/$138 million or 7/$150 million).
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I’m not sure what you mean in either half of that. Cain being younger is a major point in his favor in terms of what he could get on the market.
As for Lee, are you not seeing that turning down $150 million and accepting $120 million is leaving money on the table. I don’t care what he may think he could earn going into his age 37 season, he turned down the opportunity for $21mil and change in both his 37 and 38 season by your estimation above.
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Halladay and Lee have two very different deals.
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by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
I was thinking money wise…Halladay got a new deal recently.
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Halladay's deal is half the size of Lee's in total value
What are you talking about?
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I say we sign him to a Matt Holliday/Jason Bay contract
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I meant
per year!
Zito is scheduled to make $38 mil over the next 2 years. Timmy is going to make about $19 million next year and Cain is paid $15.3 million this year.
You add $5 million to each deal and you still have $9.5 million left over.
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$20-24 million.
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Halladay’s deal is maxing out at $20 mil, while Lee’s goes up to $27.5 and what’s more it’s backloaded to go up considerably after Halladay’s deal ends (although there is an option year that could coincide for a $45 million total).
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(although there is an option year that could coincide for a $45 million total).
I am not sure what you are referring to here.
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by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
Halladay has a 2014 option, which is the same year Lee’s salary goes up to from $21 to 25 million, so in 2014 they could cost a cumulative $45 mil.
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Oh, gotcha. My favorite is that if both the Lee and Pap’s options vest they will be paying Lee, Paps and Howard 63.5 M
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by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2011 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
Again
I am looking at the per year average. Length of a contract is mostly about whether you think a player is durable. The per year number is what you think his talent is worth.
Obviously, there is some balance between years and annual salary that complement each other. A one -year deal $6 million is probably equal to a two year $9 million deal.
Weaver’s deal is nice for the Angel but it is 5 years which allows Weaver to get another big deal at 33.
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Then 20M and 24M are the numbers we are discussing. That seems like a pretty big difference, especially over 5, 4 or even 3 years.
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by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
Sure
but the idea is that with Zito off the books, the Giants can afford to pay Timmy $24 million with ease. Just need to backload.
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Halladay signed a 3/60 deal with a vesting 20M option that will not vest if he is injured
While Lee got a back loaded 5/120 with a easier vesting option that doesn’t vest if he is injured.
Lee gets paid 11, 21.5, 25, 25, 25. The option is 27.5 or a 12.5 m buyout.
Halladay gets paid 20, 20, 20 with a 20M option.
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by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2011 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
Holy crap. I had no idea the buyout was that large.
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Its kind of funny, but if the option vest it actually lowers the AAV of the contract.
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by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah
it would actually bring it to the Yankees deal (6/135)
Option vests if:
1) is not on the disabled list at end of 2015 season with injury to left elbow or left shoulder, and 2) has 200 IP in 2015 or 400 IP in 2014-15
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Dont forget the Bartolo Colon trade by the expos
or the Freddy Garcia trade by philly
Colon netted for the Indians: Cliff Lee, Brandon Phillips, and Grady Sizemore 2002. That’s one of the best haul’s I’ve ever seen.
Freddy Garcia netted the White Sox: Gavin Floyd and Gio Gonzalez. Pretty good too.
Colon won the CYA after 2002.
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?
But he was traded as a rental for a haul of 3 future impact all-stars.
Johan Santana was also totally robbed when Colon won in 2005.
Ugly Gila Monster sonuvabitch, that Colon.
He probably killed the Expos with that trade.
I didn’t include Colon because he hadn’t won the CYA at that point (not should have ever), but also becuase the circumstances of that trade were unique enough that it really deserves its own category (being run by MLB at that point, they weren’t familiar with and didn’t have much of an understanding of the value of their own inventory. Also, with no eye on or concern for the future of the franchise they were happy to give away bushels of talent. Plus of course, the idiocy of Omar Manaya)
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Freddy Garcia deal was a very good trade for a rental player, but given that your original comment was along the lines of, if we had to trade them with the players we could get we could be awesome in 2015, the Garcia trade illustrates another problem with trading for awesome prospects route: time. Danks paid dividends fairly immediately (starting his second year with the White Sox he gave them good production), but of course Gonzalez never really began to deliver on his promise until the 2010 season, four years after the trade. And by then all the White Sox had to show for him was a disappointing year of Nick Swisher and a horrible month of Wilson Betemit.
Another Freddy Garcia had an even longer fuse, as one of the players that Seattle received for Freddy when trading him to Chicago was Mike Morse who never really got much of a chance to succeed until he landed with the Nats in 2010.
Regardless, my point was never that it’s impossible to reload with a prospects deal, but rather that its very very difficult and the majority of them don’t produce much of value, certainly not the kind of Hershel Walker make us a dynasty deal that fans dream on.
Given that Sabes has never ever made such a deal in his 15 years, even when presented with an opportunity where it might have been logical, it seems to me highly unlikely that he would do such a thing and even more unlikely that he’d do it well.
I would certainly recommend against it.
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read where some giant vp or something said they think timmy is open to long term
wishful thinking. although it is weird after the zito fiasco that the giants are the ones want ing a long term deal and not timmy.
by orange velvet on Dec 1, 2011 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
Even if it wasn't SSS noise.
There’s a good chance the Giants didn’t let him use his HS delivery, and thus would have changed his career path.
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He returned to his HS delivery while still with the Giants, shortly before he was traded. He mentioned that he’d made the switch when the NY writers interviewed him.
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by Gobroks on Dec 1, 2011 8:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
What makes you say that?
They played at the same level last year, Wheeler was OK while Brown was great — in a hitter’s league. But Wheeler is two years younger and was the more highly regarded prospect to begin with.
Brown’s had a tremendous start to his minor league career, but I don’t think it’s reasonable to rate him ahead of Wheeler at this point.
Good analysis about Wheeler
My database on players goes back to 1978. When I look for 21-year-olds pitching in high-A, I get 2649 players. I’ll mandate 75 innings (Wheeler has 91) – that cuts it to 991. Wheeler’s a starter, so let’s put in a 12 start minimum, and that gets us to 835. Wheeler’s no-dif K rate comes out to 7.6 per 9 innings; we’ll select anyone between 7.1 and 8.1, and that leaves us with 113. Wheeler’s adjusted walk rate is 4.1. We’ll look at anyone with an adjusted walk rate of 3.5 or worse, and find that we have 40 pitchers left. Specify right-handed, and you’re down to 27.
Of those 27 pitchers, 16 never pitched in the majors. Four of them are currently active in the minors – Cody Scarpetta, Steven Johnson, Bruce Pugh, and Clint Everts – and could conceivably add to the list.
Eight of the 11 major leaguers, then combine for -3.6 WARP spread over 449 games and 696 innings. That leaves three pitchers we’ll call success stories.
Success #1 is Ubaldo Jimenez., which means there is one legitimate star player that Met fans can point to when they talk about Zach Wheeler’s potential.
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Definitely interesting
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by Gobroks on Dec 1, 2011 1:54 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
That is interesting.
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What if...
The Giants decided to trade Wheeler because they were troubled by his high BB rate? Wouldn’t that be weird?
I think injury issues, based on their prior trades of top SP prospects
And that their three aces seem near the elite end of SP durability.
That’s could be why they changed his mechanics if he had good control with them initially. Probably why they let him revert back, let him make a couple good starts with great control, then sold high on him.
Or at least I kinda hope (I say kinda b/c I don’t want Wheeler to get injured, but really don’t want to ever see him throw a shutout—or even get a win, ever—against the Giants).
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One type of translation that I produce, which I don’t have posted anywhere on-site, is what I call a "no-dif" translation. A nodif translation only tries to adjust for the offensive playing environment – the league offense and the home park, but not the difficulty level. That means, in nodif, that a perfectly league average pitcher will always translate to a 4.50 ERA, and 9.0 hits per 9 innings, 1 home run, 3 walks, and 6 strikeouts – in the AL, the NL, the Pioneer, Japan, in Denver or San Diego. The usual use is for making comparisons between leagues to find out just what the difference between AAA and the majors is, but I’ll use it here to look for similar pitchers.
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Oh
I thought this was going to be about Zack Wheeler.
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 1, 2011 6:39 PM PST up reply actions
Wow
Ubaldo was exactly who i was thinking of as a Comp for Wheeler earlier today.
Electric stuff with fantastic velocity. When he has bad days, he can’t find the plate, or when he does, it’s right down the middle and he gets hit hard. Extremely inconsistent righty who oozes potential.
I think Wheeler fits the profile.
I have only seen Brown play once in person
Dude had a couple of doubles and went 3 for 4. Line drives all over the place. It was against the RC Quakes in RC too so that made it extra cool.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 1, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
I’d rather have Brown than Wheeler, even if Wheeler becomes the better player by a tad.
We have pitching. Right now, I’m sick of watching such a god-awful lineup fucking suck.
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
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So...
Would you trade Brown for Wheeler right now?
by BestHyperboleEver on Dec 1, 2011 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
Depends on the team. The Giants wouldn’t and chose to keep Brown than give up Wheeler.
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I would yes
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by Gobroks on Dec 1, 2011 8:40 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
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Hell no.
Position players are much safer bets. Especially those with great defense and that make hard contact without striking out much.
Pitchers like Wheeler go down in flames more often than not.
And we have three aces already. We as a community freak about the offense all the time.
I think our need for a potential franchise CF/lead-off man supercedes that of another cost-controlled quality SP.
Anyone mention this?
The Cardinals and the Marlins are the only teams known to have made offers to Pujols; both were for nine years, a baseball source said. In January, the Cardinals presented Pujols with an extension worth $198 million over the next nine seasons, sources have confirmed. It is not clear if that offer stands or if the Cardinals plan to revisit it. In the past, the club has expressed reluctance to offer a contract that can then be shopped around to other interested teams or used by a rival to up the price.
Mozeliak declined to comment when asked if the offer from January still stood. He said the two sides have decided to keep ’such things private."
If it had been accepted, that $198 million offer would be the third-highest contract in total value in baseball history.
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realistically
when to we see brown in sf? not soon enough?
If he has a good year, maybe this September.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 1, 2011 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
He is horrible, but probably not wrong. Although if everything went super awesome for Brown, a mid-season callup in 2013 might be a possibility.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 1, 2011 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
This sounds about right.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 1, 2011 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
I'd bet on him starting 30+ games in 2013.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
/has great 2012 in minors
/wins starting CF job in 2013 spring training
/goes 3-for-20 to start year
/sits on major league bench for a month
/sent to minors
/crushes minors for a month
/called up
/benched
/injured
/sent to minors when almost healthy
/called up and performs badly due to lingering injury
/gets blocked when Sabean signs Willy Taveras the next offseason
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Dec 1, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't go that far
If he has a good year next season he’ll almost certainly be a September callup in 2012 and in the mix for the starting lineup to start 2013; even if he didn’t make the team out of camp he’d very likely be called up sometime during the season. But of course that’s all dependent on him faring well in his first exposure to the upper minors, which is by no means a given. (I hope they send him to Richmond so he has to face some adversity. And the “good pitchers.”)
He’ll be a September callup, but only after the Giants announce that he’s absolutely not going to be a September callup.
This is the surest bet of the bunch.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Dec 1, 2011 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
Probably also depends on how well Melky works out
…and whether he’s brought back.
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting.
this.
and you will all agree when 43,000 collectively spew their curly fries when melky hits the coke bottle while trying to throw a runner out at the plate.
No I'm hungry.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
i agree with this
but, where do chili and/or cheese fries fit in?
You are turning a snack into a meal
So it farks it all up. I will say as a meal the list goes…
Carne Asada>Meat Chili+Cheese>Just Cheese>Any Vegetarian Chili a fool would dare ruin the fries with
The only thing Matt Cain wishes had from Dustin Hermanson’s repertoire is the stenciled facial hair.
Hitler was a Dodgers fan.
by The Nick on Dec 1, 2011 1:33 PM PST via mobile reply actions
The color is all wrong for Matt’s skin tones, for instance.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 1, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
I’d be willing to bet that even evil Matt Cain is still a pretty nice guy.
Is it February 19 yet?
by j14 on Dec 1, 2011 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
Never
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
He gives up a number of runs, but always finds a way to win and “pitches to the score.” His xFIP, however, is amazing, so statheads keep expecting a true breakout season to be just around the bend.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Dec 1, 2011 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
Wa Matt Cain?
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Amazing! That was exactly the visual I had….
Hitler was a Dodgers fan.
by The Nick on Dec 1, 2011 1:59 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
The darkest timeline
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Dec 1, 2011 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
jon_bois Jon Bois
Trey Griffey has been named an Under Armour All-American. Everyone else everywhere is an old person. sbn.to/t2cJOP
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
What if I came here for Nikolai Bonds news?
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Dec 1, 2011 8:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I always forget how insanely fast Marquis Grissom was in Montreal. I only remember his loveable years in San Francisco.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
He was very lovable
Baseball was my favorite thing in the world when he was in Los Angeles, and yet I don’t remember his time as a Dodger at all.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
1994 Expo outfield
Grissom Alou Walker
Damn.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 1, 2011 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
With a young Rondell White trying to get some at bats
Heck, Cliff Floyd was playing 1B and he could play LF too.
Pretty good team. Ken Hill & Pedro in the rotation with “kids” Jeff Fassero & Rueter. The strike really killed baseball in Montreal.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
My 1994 roto draft, IIRC
3rd round: Marquis Grissom
5th round: Albert Belle
Good ol’ Joey outhit just about everyone that year, so I lucked out. But, point being, if Gary Brown is a good comp for Marquis Grissom when all is said and done, we are in for some good times.
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
I loved how he taped the knob of his wood
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Dec 1, 2011 6:41 PM PST up reply actions
TWSS
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Giants should too
npbtracker Patrick Newman
Sanspo says the #Brewers are going to bid on Hiroyuki Nakajima
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Nah, we got this.
manolo hernandez d.
@beisbolporgotas manolo hernandez d.
Free agent SS Alex González in conversations with #SFGiants, but waiting for #Mets – JReyes situation, as he said to Fernando Alvarez-ESPN
OH MY GOD
Ask me about my blog.
Almost certainly is.
And if he runs into one of those .450 slugging years … cleanup hitter, baby.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 1, 2011 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
Did I mention that his nick name is Sea Bass? Wait.
/eyes huge crate of Sea Bass hats in AT&T’s basement
MOTHER OF GOD.
Ask me about my blog.
lol!
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
Alex's 2011
Alex Gonzalez: .241/.270/.372
Miguel Tehaha: .239/.270/.326
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 1, 2011 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
Speaking of which
I think today is the 1 year anniversary of signing Miguel Tejada.
Is it February 19 yet?
by j14 on Dec 1, 2011 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
Huh, I thought he was signed late in the offseason.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Apparently I was off by a day. It was one year ago yesterday.
Is it February 19 yet?
by j14 on Dec 1, 2011 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
Ugly
But wRC of 97 last year vs LHP
over 3 WAR 2 years ago, so there might be some upside to him.
If he does sign, I hope it is cheap
I think there was something in the water in Toronto.
He doesn’t really have a career lefty/righty split.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
Bochy would play him every day
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 1, 2011 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
It’s the new market inefficiency!
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 1, 2011 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
Crawford could do that + great defense at the minimum.
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
Flags Fly Forever
"Orlando before Zod" doesn't have the same nice ring to it.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 1, 2011 6:28 PM PST up reply actions
Alex has great defense.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
at a much higher salary.
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
Flags Fly Forever
"Orlando before Zod" doesn't have the same nice ring to it.
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 1, 2011 6:35 PM PST up reply actions
How do you know that?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
maybe "much" was a bit much
but he’ll make at least $1.5-$2.5M. b/c Gonzalez is a veteran that several teams are looking at. He isn’t going to sign for the league minimum, which is basically what Crawford will make.
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
Flags Fly Forever
"Orlando before Zod" doesn't have the same nice ring to it.
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 1, 2011 7:45 PM PST up reply actions
Names
And that’s only if Sabean signs the BETTER Alex Gonzalez! Alex 1 only retired five years ago.
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
I’ve given up on trying to remember which is which. I just know that this one is the only one still in the league.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Yeah
it got more confusing when the younger one (the one on the table) went and played for the older one’s long term team (TOR).
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
Hey, how did your test drawring go?
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Submitted it yesterday.
Now waiting for a reply. Turns out I drew the wrong animal, so I had to spend an extra day working on it. I’d show you the llama I did but I deleted it.
I blame Grant.
Good luck though.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
There’s just not enough quality shortstops on the free agent market this year.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
He's waiting for the Jose Reyes "situation" because
Reyes is also in talks with the Giants.
Right?
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
Probably covered...
Happy Birthday kdl!
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
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Job 1:14-15
by bigboneded on Dec 1, 2011 2:16 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
That just ended the Cake/Pie War
And I’m officially starving.
Happy Birthday kdl
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
The 1 advantage cake has is it’s ability to be decorated.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I'll decorate the SHIT out of a mother-fuckin pie!
Just to make sure that cake never wins.
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
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Job 1:14-15
The advantage a pie has is a pastry crust
But to me it is like comparing ice cream to candy apples, both are amazing if you have it, they’re different, and if you had both you would still eat both.
Yes but one is better than the other. In this case ice cream > candy apples. Also camel apples > candy apples.
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
LOL
That does not sound appealing.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
They are dependably packed!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 1, 2011 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
It would make one hell of a wedding cake too.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
OMG
I shift A’d right over this earlier! Whoops! Thank you so much!! Where do I go to retrieve my cake? ;-)
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Dec 1, 2011 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
I got the image from GIS, but just looked, and they are in Sacramento.
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
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Job 1:14-15
LOL PABLO'S #1 COMP IS ADRIAN BELTRE
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
Pablo lets folks touch his head.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 1, 2011 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
He even keeps one in his back pocket!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 1, 2011 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
Giants Baseball: It's Barely Repugnant Inside!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 1, 2011 2:32 PM PST reply actions
Oh God it's true
Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
Source: Free-agent SS Alex Gonzalez talking to #SFGiants. First reported by ESPN Deportes. #MLB
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Yeah since Gonzalez will make like 5 mil.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
That's Jeremy Affeldt money!
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
GP would disagree with this
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 1, 2011 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
/cries
keithlaw keithlaw
I look forward to the late-March statement from Sabean about how Belt is going to AAA to make room for Alex Gonzalez.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
So all this dumpster diving and penny pinching
is so we can sign Beltran.
Right?
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
It’s hardly penny pinching to sign a marginal replacement at $5 mil per.
My adopted Giant, the young Reinier Roibal
What about all that praise for Crawford’s AFL performance? Were they lying? I’m shocked!
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Seriously. Brain Sabean has a long history as a transparent and open GM.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
Justin Christian agrees
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
Justin Christian oh the time has come.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
if Zito/Rowand didn't blow so hard,
Team RDF wouldn’t be so gunshy on big money FAs
/albatross’d
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
LOTS of Giants comps on A. Gonzalez' BBRF page
batters:
Juan Uribe
batters through age 34:
Shawon Dunston
Royce Clayton
Rich Aurillia
most similar by age:
Juan Uribe
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 1, 2011 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
FUCKING FUCK!
WHY DO THE GIANTS ALWAYS HAVE SHITTY SHORTSTOPS?!?!!!!!
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Omar wasn't shitty.
Omar was also Venezuelan.
Alex Gonzalez is also Venezuelan!!
BRIGHT SIDE!!
/drinks heavily
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 1, 2011 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
You're right, Omar wasn't shitty.
But he was kind of old. Jesus, I hate old, shitty SS. I’d much rather have a young, shitty SS like Crawford.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
needs more wasp-y handsomeness
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
Old but still shiny
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Dumpster diving FTW
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 1, 2011 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
Will someone please
find the stoopid post I wrote about wishing Sabean would avoid the big dollar FA’s and do some dumpster diving this offseason. I was totally wrong.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
I remember totally getting on your ass for that. I will offer you a conciliatory pie.
My adopted Giant, the young Reinier Roibal
Is this the Alex Gonzalez that ruined Steve Bartman's life?
Or his opposite number in that series?
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
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by Murray, Present on Dec 1, 2011 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
He's the one!
Though his slash-line from the LCS isn’t that inspiring: .125 .125 .208
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 1, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
DUH! Not the same one.
I was thinking you were referring to A. Gonzalez as a Marlin hitting…not the wildly more obvious choice of A. Gonzalez of the Cubs with the failing fielding.
FWIW: He had a decent slash in the LCS : .286 .333 .679
He’s been out of baseball for 4 or 5 years now.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 1, 2011 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
I thought the city of Chicago ruined Bartman’s life. Or maybe Moises Alou.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
THIS
and Mark Prior’s angry pointing.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
/roid rage’d
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 1, 2011 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
True
Although I’ve still never figured out how it was Bartman and not Gonzalez who was the goat. One guy, who isn’t being paid, maybe possibly (but probably not) cost the team one out. Another guy, who was being paid, certainly did cost the team two outs.that would have ended the inning.
I think it has to do with the fact that one of them had the potential to make an out on that play and the other was a dumbass little kid (who doesn’t deserve the extreme vilification he has received, but still).
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 1, 2011 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
He was a grown man. And he wasn’t the only fan going for the ball.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I stand corrected:
I think it has to do with the fact that one of them had the potential to make an out on that play and the other was a dumbass (who doesn’t deserve the extreme vilification he has received, but still).
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 1, 2011 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
And ‘other people were doing it too’ was not an acceptable excuse when I was a dumbass little kid and it’s still not an acceptable excuse today.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 1, 2011 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
It’s not an excuse, it’s just an explanation for why he doesn’t deserve the level of vilification he received. There were a LOT of dumbasses just as dumb as he was, but they weren’t unlucky enough to touch the ball.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I'm talking about two different plays
The first was the foul pop that Alou might have (but probably wouldn’t have) caught if Bartman hadn’t got in the way. The second was the double-play grounder that Gonzalez booted.
It’s because errors are a part of the game, and are committed by players, who are also part of the game. Actually interfering with your own team’s player, no matter how probable the result of the play, is a fucktard move.
I’m not justifying the way he was (and continues to be, apparently) treated. Nor am I saying the he was the sole, or even main, reason for the loss. I’m saying it was, in fact, a fucktard move, and that it stands out in the fans minds because he was not a member of the Chicago Cubs baseball team. He had one chance that day to actually do something to further the Cubs playoff hopes (however minuscule the effect, it’s an opportunity most fans will never have), and he got all excited and went for the ball instead.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 1, 2011 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
if Alou hadn’t lost his shit immediately following the play, I highly doubt this lives on in infamy. Even Alou admitted he probably wouldn’t have made the play, albeit years later.
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
That certainly didn’t help.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 1, 2011 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
looking back on that, it was a little out of line on Alous part. I mean yeah, emotions are high, but man… he really went off though. Totally lost his composure.
Not sure anyone could have seen the villification of Bartman coming, but Alou’s reaction certainly sealed it.
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
It was the crybaby cubs who ruined his life
I mean really, 1 foul ball and the entire NLCS is ruined? REALLY?
They were still up at that point, too.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
The reason they lost is because they think like losers
And treating Bartman that way was the first indication. It was the Bartman play that ruined the series for them, but they failed to realize why… it was themselves.
I still remember him taking Lincecum deep
in 2010.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Trying to convince someone that Bruce Bochy is not the best manager in baseball is rather frustrating.
My adopted Giant, the young Reinier Roibal
I got in an argument with a friend about Sabean. Sigh…
It's the logo for my favorite band!
by positiveuphemism on Dec 1, 2011 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
Were you arguing ‘not the best manager’ or ‘is a crappy manager’?
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 1, 2011 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
Well I said that he was among the worst, and then the response my friend gave was that he was one of the best. I really need to pick and choose my battles more wisely.
My adopted Giant, the young Reinier Roibal
Really? So you would argue that of the 30 current MLB managers that 20 are better than Bochy? 25?
Boo
by LosGigantesTodoElTiempo on Dec 1, 2011 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
I hate to defend Bochy
But that’s going too far. He’s certainly not the best, but I think he’s probably average, maybe even a little better. The median manager is pretty bad.
It’s not any high praise to say that, generally, managers in baseball are very very bad.
My adopted Giant, the young Reinier Roibal
Yes
Which is why I said, “The median manager is pretty bad.”
As an internet commenter
I obviously know nothing of the various soft skills that managers undoubtedly must possess. However, I can say that many managers in the major leagues are likely to have a position player bunt in the 4th inning. That’s stupid with essentially no qualification, it’s easy to find out that it’s stupid, and yet many guys who are professionals are wont to do it. That’s “pretty bad.”
One of the biggest qualifications of being a good manager is to maximize the roster given to you and field the best possible lineup on a daily basis. In my opinion, Bochy is terrible at putting the best players in the lineup.
Terrible.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
So Orlando Cabrera batting 2nd was terrible?
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
So Orlando Cabrera batting 2nd was terrible.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
That was supposed to be stricken through. Struck through?
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
zzz
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Someday you will have Zs in your petri dishes and I will not feel sorry for you.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Won the world series. Pushes buttons.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 1, 2011 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
Heh… Grant made a post about somebody pushing buttons the other day. There’s a Pixar short about an alien kid learning to drive a spaceship. Now I’m picturing Bochy taking that driving test.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 1, 2011 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
I’m imagining Lincecum as the guy in the house.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
by Ott on Dec 1, 2011 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
6yrs/$120mil for Fielder...
I’d do this.
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
Those are great!
The Spidey one is engrossing.
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
Good quality too. I can’t tell when they stop.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Looked further into it
What a great site! This guy is fabulous. Check out “”http://kerrycallen.blogspot.com/search/label/What%20if%20DC%2FMarvel" target="new">What if DC published Marvel characters in the 60’s" and “”http://kerrycallen.blogspot.com/search/label/Super%20Antics" target="new">Super Antics."
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
Well
Too bad I can’t edit a post… this was the tag from the landing page with the theatre effect. But you guys can figure it out.
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
So if I take my quote from yesterday
My problem is we sit here, listen to all the bullshit
Then by the end of it we have a Miguel Tejada. This is the Giants off season plan every year.
And apply some current events:
My problem is we sit here, listen to all the bullshit
Then by the end of it we have aMiguel TejadaAlex Gonzales. This is the Giants off season plan every year.
Let’s call it an off season.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Speaking of Juan Uribe,
why is he currently the most frequently searched player on Fangraphs…?
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
Alex Gonzalez and Alex Gonzalez have two of the most comparable careers, statistically. How the hell do people even tell them apart?
My adopted Giant, the young Reinier Roibal
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
as espn deportes reported, #SFGiants in on alex gonzalez. so are #STLcards and the brew #crew. grt defender w/ some pop.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
TAKE HIM AWAY FROM US CARDS!!
I don’t want the Brewers to sign him because then Yuni is for sure on the market.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
Would you rather have Gonzalez or Yuni?
That’s tough for me.
Hmm
Yes, it seems your right. Somehow I thought Yuni was a better hitter, but now I look and somehow he’s even worse than I thought.
It’s kind of incredible that he keeps getting jobs as a starter. I’m not sure he’s even a viable backup. Is he a better player than Jeff Keppinger?
I don't think so
I mean, Keppinger can’t play SS, but neither can Yuni, and Keppinger is a better hitter if you’re looking for a bad-fielding, never-walking second baseman.
Gonzalez all the way. Yuni has been worth -0.7 WAR over the last three seasons. Gonzalez has been worth 5.1 over the same period.
Is it February 19 yet?
by j14 on Dec 1, 2011 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
At least if you sign Yuniesky Betancourt
you know exactly which Yuniesky Betancourt you’re getting.
"If it's weird, you know it's probably Wilson's." - Matt Cain
Also, thanks to Sabes I have been trained to thing that "grt defender" meant "gritty defender"
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
by scout6 on Dec 1, 2011 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
think too.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Has this been discussed?
The Padres signed left-hander Alex Hinshaw to a minor league deal, according to Goldstein.
From MLBTR.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
Actually yes
We decided that he needs to change his name in order to make it on the Padres’ roster as a reliever.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
I actually think his name fits
But maybe Alex Shawn? Would that work?
WHY IS HINSHAW
The first six innings are overrated.
I don't even know what to say
While the company has frequently rung in the holiday with special can designs, this was the first time it put regular Coke in a white can. Some consumers complained that it looked confusingly similar to Diet Coke’s silver cans. Others felt that regular Coke tasted different in the white cans. Still others argued that messing with red bordered on sacrilege.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
These people need to learn what a real coke problem is.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 1, 2011 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
It confused him too
It’s called coke, it’s white, but you can’t snort it.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 2, 2011 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
LOL
soda issues described as ’sacrilege"
Country’s kinda fucked.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
Another person accused Coke of "trickery,‘’ and still another called the white cans "blasphemy,’’ among hundreds of tweets. Some Coke fans emailed the company’s official blog to complain about the company wading into the issue of climate change.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/a-frosty-reception-for-coca-cola-s-white-christmas-cans.html
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
But if the Coke cans look like Diet Coke cans...
…some diabetics could be royally screwed
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Especially the illiterate ones.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 1, 2011 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
Coke says it hasn’t tweaked the taste of its cola and that protecting polar bears is a worthwhile initiative. It recently added a "fact sheet’’ on its website highlighting how white Coke cans are distinct from silver Diet Coke cans. Among the differences: Regular Coke is labeled "Coca-Cola’’ and states the calories at the front of the can, while Diet Coke’s holiday can—silver as always—is labeled "Diet Coke’’ and features snowflakes.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
If one is diabetic,
maybe soda should be placed on the backburner.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
That way you can burn off the sugar. Smart thinking.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 1, 2011 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
#firstworldproblems
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
soda sucks
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
im never letting my kid drink soda, ever
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
Yeah, that’s the case with most parents. Then, anytime the kid is out of eyeshot, he’s chugging Jolts at every chance.
by BestHyperboleEver on Dec 1, 2011 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
I plan to raise a respectful little lady who does not chug Jolts
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I don’t think its too far out there to plan and work at raising a child right.
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
It isn’t. Expecting those plans to work out like you imagine is an iffy proposition though.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 1, 2011 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
I think raising her in a loving home with a sound education and parents who will always be there for her should be enough to raise her right. That’s a plan I can’t afford to fail at.
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
Avoiding soda is a good idea, though. It’s bad for you, too.
by wcw on Dec 1, 2011 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
I’m going to steer her in the direction of healthy foods anyways- Britney and I do not eat any junk food as it is, so she will just have to learn to like it.
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MY PARENTS THOUGHT THE SAME THING AND YET HERE I AM.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 1, 2011 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
wow, I just lost all hope.
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<3 Kanani Madison
Sorry about that. If it makes you feel any better, I think keeping her away from soda as much as possible is a smart move.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 1, 2011 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
I was being sarcastic, haha. I’m confident in my ability as a parent… so far.
We want to have another child within the year so hopefully the kids will bond really well as they grow up.
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
And complain to each other after you're gone
…about how not letting them drink soda as kids ruined their lives.
You can’t win
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Do you prefer to pay for insulin or therapy?
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 2, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
I think raising her in a loving home with a sound education and parents who will always be there for her should be enough to raise her right.
Having raised two fine young daughters, I can tell you is all you can do. After that it’s up to them.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I'd worry more about keeping them away from a cerain tusked piniped
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
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I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I know.
I’m just joking around.
I, too, am just getting my hands wet (literally and figuratively) at child raising. We are also filling our daughter with healthy foods. It just seems to me, from my own meager experience and watching/talking to others, that parents plans become much more general as they actually go into practice.
For example, it seems to me personally, things like “steering her in the direction of healthy foods” has a much better chance of success in the long term than “I’m never letting my kid drink soda, ever.” Most likely, your kid is going to drink soda. The question is whether they will have the education and wherewithal to understand it isn’t a good choice and, at least most of the time, go for a healthier option.
Judging by your plan of “raising her in a loving home with a sound education and parents who will always be there for her should be enough to raise her right” she probably will.
I would expand on this but I have to go buy another 12=pack of Orange Crush for my 15-month-old.
by BestHyperboleEver on Dec 1, 2011 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
It's in the schools too now.
My son comes home & tells me what is & isn’t healthy to eat. The school systems seem to be making an effort to educate kids at an early age about a healthy lifestyle. I don’t remember hearing this when I was a kid.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
“And they said I need to eat more vegetables, so can we have pizza tonight?”
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 2, 2011 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
It’s great that the schools are working to educate them on it. Now they just have to start actually practicing what they preach.
by BestHyperboleEver on Dec 2, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
This
My son is 16 now and was raised eating mostly healthy. He still loves junk and we still have to remind him not to over do it, but he gets it. He’s also more likely to grab a Hansens than a Jolt.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Watch out for juice. Some is just as bad.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Makes your head big and gives you acne
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 2, 2011 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
Wait, it TASTES different in the white can? The fuck?
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 1, 2011 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
I had some at Thanksgiving. I’m not sure if it’s perception based, but it did taste a bit different.
its your brain fucking with you. seriously. its the same
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
On the other hand, Bristol Palin continues to preach abstinence.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 1, 2011 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
the soda flavors in this country are very limited. I know there are a lot of independent soda makers in the US, but I like soda from Taiwan/Japan a lot more.
Sarsi FTW!
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
this isn’t about soda. its about your brain perceiving the soda tastes different because it came in a different can
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
OT - How drunk can you get at your office holiday party?
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 1, 2011 3:19 PM PST reply actions
How does the fact that my office’s holiday party is at lunch on a Thursday factor into the equation?
Is it February 19 yet?
by j14 on Dec 1, 2011 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
Ooof. A Thursday? If you get the afternoon off – I’d go for it…cautiously.
Ours is lunch on a Friday and off-site and no one goes back to work.
(except that one time I was too drunk to take the train and slept on a couch in my bosses office)
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 1, 2011 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
No one goes back to the office and I’m actually taking the Friday off (thank you extra personal days at the end of the year). So I think my goal is just to not be the drunkest one there. A close second will do.
Is it February 19 yet?
by j14 on Dec 1, 2011 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
Perfect. I’m sure you will accomplish this goal with aplomb.
Go for the photo-finish. Always more exciting.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 1, 2011 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
ours is a Saturday party
with significant others but involves suits
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
So you get to be classy drunk
Is it February 19 yet?
by j14 on Dec 1, 2011 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
Our involves suits, but no significant others. Sometimes they will meet us at whatever unlucky FiDi bar gets to host the “after-party.”
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 1, 2011 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
What are you going to order from the bar?
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
HE ALREADY PASSED THE BAR EXAM
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
LOL dysfunction
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
John Henry didn’t show for Ben Cherington’s introductory presser. Henry is there today, for Bobby Valentine.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
sup everyone!
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
What's up!
How’s the kid?
The Golden Bear is ever watching
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Bill Hall
Is he really still on the Giants? Am I the only one who forgot he was still around?
apparently
he was fired and nobody ever told him. Due to a glitch in payroll, he still gets paid.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
so he’s the one who burned down AT&T Park?
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
dumb bastard goin be sittin on a beach sippin margaritas for life!
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
LOL WHAT?!?!?!
BreakiingNews Breaking News
BREAKING: McDonalds announces new ‘McGangbang’ a McChicken inside of a McDouble.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
I’m pretty sure you’ve been able to order that for a while, even if they haven’t announced it. I’ve known about it by name for months.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 1, 2011 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
this product was quality-control tested in South Central, LA
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
Not to mention my 2006 porn folder.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 1, 2011 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
ah, back in the good old condom-less porn days.
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
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I’m not sure I needed a hyphen in condom-less.
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
Think of it as an extender.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 1, 2011 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
With Jimmie Johnson’s endorsement.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 1, 2011 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
This could be a good use for the $10 McDonalds gift card that my aunt always gets me for Christmas. I have no idea where she got the idea that I like to eat there.
Is it February 19 yet?
by j14 on Dec 1, 2011 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe she’s subtly mocking you.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 1, 2011 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
I think she’s trying to tell me to gain weight. She always asks if I’m eating enough.
Is it February 19 yet?
by j14 on Dec 1, 2011 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
Come to think of it, she does live in a house made out of cake and candy.
Is it February 19 yet?
by j14 on Dec 1, 2011 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
Good luck eating that for 30 days, Spurlock.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
OMG, almost 200,000 people are already 1/6 of the way there
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
I just GIS this. I think I had a heart attack just looking at the picture.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
BTW
If anyone does GIS this, don’t forget the Mc in front of gangbang or you’ll get pictures that you may not want to see, obviously.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Like Goofus with your mom and her hairdresser.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 2, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
Hey now
It’s tasty. And it’s quicker to eat than a McChicken and a McDouble separately.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
I would rather be looking forward to Wheeler as a prospect than Brown. I couldn’t say exactly why, but for some reason I’m more excited by the idea of Zack Wheeler: Future Ace than Gary Brown: Future Leadoff Hitter.
Oh well.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Well, considering the Giants have been running out
Aaron Rowand: Leadoff Hitter I am totally looking forward to Brown.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Well, I’ve nothing against other people feeling differently. I’m very meh about leadoff hitters not named Brett Butler. Dunno why.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
by Ott on Dec 1, 2011 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
considering the Giants failure to ever have a good leadoff hitter, I’m happy.
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Barry Zito: Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow!
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Dec 1, 2011 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
Shift-A
In addition to Barry Zito and Nate Schierholtz getting married, Dreamy Dan just got married. What the hell, guys? Are you trying to kill me?
P.S. I don’t know who Ricky Pickett is.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
His last charge was awesome.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 1, 2011 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
A lot of Giants have gotten married recently.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I guess it’s going to be a rough season.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 1, 2011 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
Sabean is pissed.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
He wants to DFA everyone.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 2, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Awww.
I’m happy for Barry and Nate. They make a cute couple.
by BestHyperboleEver on Dec 1, 2011 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Get that pre-nup, Z.
Tell Nate to get his own eggs and avocados.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
Speaking of that. Imagine if medical science found a way to combine their DNA in a single child. In short, imagine Zito with Nate’s arm strength, accuracy and… well… abs, I guess. Or Nate with Zito’s hair.
by BestHyperboleEver on Dec 2, 2011 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
From Jonah Keri's Hot Stove Preview
SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS
What They Need: BATS, BATS, BATS
What They’ll Likely Do: It’s one thing for the low-revenue, light-on-talent Padres to suffer through a terrible offensive season. But the Giants were coming off their first World Series in 56 years, with a chance to fortify a team that relied on great pitching and also a lot of hitting luck for their success. Instead, Brian Sabean and company put too much stock in the flukish seasons put up by Aubrey Huff and others, mistaking a World Series ring for a sustainable winning model. The result was a Giants club that finished 28th in team wOBA. And that’s now a team that pitched better than anyone except the mighty Phillies ended up missing the playoffs.
Hopefully the first lesson learned was to put top prospect Brandon Belt in the everyday lineup and leave him there. Getting a full season out of Buster Posey after his horrific home-plate collision injury would also help a great deal. Melky Cabrera probably isn’t going to get 200 hits again, and he’s a terrible defensive center fielder, but he’ll probably help, too. Still, the Giants have several holes remaining. Freddy Sanchez isn’t much of a hitter anymore, and Brandon Crawford has never hit, and probably never will. Slot Jose Reyes and a better second baseman into a team that has three fantastic starters, a loaded bullpen, and some Ryan Vogelsong pixie dust, and you can start to imagine another parade. Go with the status quo, and another good-but-not-good-enough season likely awaits.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
it makes me mad that everyone can easily say “all they need is some hitters and they can win another one quite easily”. you can’t say that about many teams.
it’s like you know all you have to do is spend money on some hitting, and you’re guaranteeing yourself a real good shot at winning another title, but you refuse to or dont know how to do it.
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Hopefully the first lesson learned was to put top prospect Brandon Belt in the everyday lineup and leave him there.
I’m very afraid this will not happen somehow.
"I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey, on how to gun down stolen base attempts
I'm almost certain it will not.
In fact I will be shocked if Belt starts the season in SF.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
I'm being serious
I will be shocked if Belt will be a Giant much longer.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
What is gonna piss me off is if/when they jerk him around for a couple seasons and he doesn’t manage to hit .300 and 20 home runs in 300 inconsistent plate appearances. He’ll eventually get cut or traded way for some grizzly vet or bullpen help and after years of having his career derailed & his confidence shattered a lot of people will point to his failure in other organizations as a sign that Sabean & Bochy knew what they were doing.
Gah
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
Pretty right on. Particularly:
Instead, Brian Sabean and company put too much stock in the flukish seasons put up by Aubrey Huff and others, mistaking a World Series ring for a sustainable winning model.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
It really is simple and quite clear.
1. Play Belt every day.
2. Get Reyes for SS.
3. Win NL West
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
This also drove mr crazy
From Arizona’s section..
Towers didn’t see a roster that needed blowing up. Instead, he saw the worst bullpen in baseball. Fortunately, building great bullpens at affordable prices has always been Towers’ calling card (see the careers of Heath Bell and Mike Adams). As he said in a 2003 interview with No-Gray-Hair Jonah:
As far as spending money on the bullpen, when you’re a club in a small- or mid-size market, the ballclub can turn over by 50% every year. You have to work to your strengths. In our case, it’s a hell of a lot easier to address the bullpen than to go get a top starting pitcher. You can put together one of the best bullpens in the league for the price of one starter.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
not many starters cost $30MM, which is what the Giants plan to pay their bullpen in 2012. Throw in Zito and Rowand, that’s over half the payroll on basically a bullpen and sunk costs.
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
I look at it like
Zito and Rowand are about 32 million dollars. Every time I hear ownership say 130 mil payroll, we should just go ahead and say 98 million, which is what it was approx in 2010, even with Rowand and Zito “contributing”. Of course we aren’t getting 60+ homers from the 6-8 million or so out of Burrel, Uribe and Huff either.
As far as historically bad offenses go, we hit a shit load less bombs in 2011 than we did in 2010. I am hopeful a Panda+Belt+Posey will give us a strong shot in the arm of 70-80 bombs to build around (assuming Panda can keep his 30 hr year pace, 20+ from the other two is not unreasonable)
that’s alot of assumptions. I think if Belt plays everyday, he’ll hit 30. but I don’t think he’ll even play 60 games in 2012. Pablo, I’d give you 30 homers on. Posey, I’m not sure what to expect.
So low end, we can realistically look for 55 HRs from those 3, but we could get as many as 80.
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<3 Kanani Madison
I disagree about the Freddy Sanchez comment. If I remember correctly he was hitting well before injury — the main prob is he gets injured.
He’s basically an average hitter. It would help if he hit lower in the order, but he’s not really the problem — an average hitter at second base is pretty good.
He was one of the few hitters on the team I had any sort of confidence in that they could put up a decent AB. Couldn’t say that about half of the lineup
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 1, 2011 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
Freddy WAS a league average hitter
But now he’s had a big injury and he’s a year older. He’s not that any more.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I agree
Say all you want about how unlikely he is to last a full season or that this could very well be the year he regresses at the plate but saying he is no longer a good hitter is a bit unfair when all the statistical evidence from the last couple years suggests he basically the same hitter he’s always been.
Thing A
A guy who was the same for a few years
Who then gets hurt and his another year older and getting farther past his peak can generally be estimated to get worse, not stay the same.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
As I said, you could say this MAY be the year you see regression from Sanchez but its certainly not fair to just say he’s not a good hitter anymore. He’s come back from injuries before and played as a player in his mid-30s before and everytime he’s been almost the exact same hitter. That won’t continue forever obviously, but there’s nothing yet that actually says he isn’t a good hitter any more.
Thing A
He hasn't been a *good* hitter in years anyway
He’s been an average or below average every season since 2008. Now he’s old and recovering from a large shoulder industry. I’d say it’s at least 75% likely he’ll be worse this year than he was last year.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Injury.
Unless he’s been hired to lobby for the large shoulder industry.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I also hate when people say something like without even mentioning the fact that half to most of the line up was injured at parts of the season. Being 28th in team wOBA would be one thing if Posey and Freddy were around all season and Pablo wasn’t banged up and so on and so forth but they weren’t. When Crawford and Whiteside are starting in part because there’s nobody else who could play that position, you’re not going to have a good offensive team no matter what.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 1, 2011 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
Fair
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
Occupy dude
just taken away in an ambulance. It’s getting really dire out there. And smelly.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
did you change your avatar? or am i dense?
by orange velvet on Dec 1, 2011 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
I did change it.
I was inspired to post an actual picture of myself by that other thread.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Handegg Media OT: Tebow-mania strikes again
CBS: Sunday afternoon games in which the visiting team is in the AFC*
*This is no longer an iron-clad rule. A Broncos @ Vikings game in 2011 was moved from CBS to FOX to assure a more equitable distribution of that game. The NFL has not ruled out further exceptions in the future.
So, as a result, about 80% of the nation (including us) will be have that stellar DEN/MIN matchup available for viewing on FOX this Sunday morning. I believe this is a first (AFC Road Team on FOX).
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
???
Come on, Tebow can’t be that popular, can he?
here's an IM conversation I had this afternoon
Derrick: do you think tebow is the second coming of Christ? me: nolol
Sent at 1:14 PM on Thursday
Derrick: i was just reading something about that
it kind of makes sense
he’s perfect
me: how do you figure?
Derrick: he does nothing wrong
Sent at 1:17 PM on Thursday
me: he throws a lot of incompletions
http://textsfrombennett.tumblr.com/
Derrick: but everybody made fun of him and thought he was wierd like christ
but now he’s winning people over
like christ
Sent at 1:21 PM on Thursday
me: I don’t want to talk about tebow
WWRWD?
What I got from this is that
William Hung is the 2nd coming of Christ.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
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Tebow is just a winner. He may not be very good, but the dude has a drive unlike anything I’ve ever seen. Dude wins.
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
this is a point that Bill Simmons has sort of been making
If a Christian God wanted to send a QB to change the world, that QB would probably look something like the player Tebow is. Astonishingly religious. Adored by everyone who knows him. Bad at football so that he has lots and lots of doubters. Somehow finds a way to win so that everyone knows there must be divine intervention at work.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Dec 1, 2011 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
HE’S THE ANTICHRIST
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 1, 2011 5:03 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I will have to rec that. It just makes sense. Look for 6’s.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Bill Simmons is the anti-Christ!
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
Flags Fly Forever
"Orlando before Zod" doesn't have the same nice ring to it.
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 1, 2011 6:36 PM PST up reply actions
It is green.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
of course, that’s all bullshit though.
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
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If a Christian God wanted to send a QB to change the world, uh, well, shit.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 1, 2011 9:30 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If a Christian God wanted to send a QB to change the world, wouldn’t it be more like a Rodgers or a Brady, somebody who makes you go “Jesus, Christ, he’s good.”
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 1, 2011 6:33 PM PST up reply actions
Nay, for these QBs lead one down the path of idolatry
Beware, lest ye worship at the altars of false gods from Michigan or Cal.
Tebow, on the other hand, reminds us all of the amazing power of prayer (aka “Tebowing”)
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Dec 1, 2011 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
If QBs like Andy Dalton, Colt McCoy, Alex Smith, Kevin Kolb, Josh Freeman or Sam Bradford did what Tim Tebow did the past 5 weeks on the field, would all these pundits be slobbering all over them? I highly doubt it. What makes Tebow different?
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Minus a certain degree of extremism, it’s nothing we haven’t seen before, I don’t think. It reminds me plenty of Vince Young, just to name one from the recent past. For the 49ers fan, it’s not extraordinarily unlike the Shaun Hill experience. In other contexts, we saw it (again for the 49ers fan) with Singletary. And we see it sort of all the time on a smaller scale in baseball when a new manager comes in midseason and the team gets hot.
A guy comes in and a team rallies off a few wins in a row and pundits and people go apeshit. It’s what happens.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 2, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
Bobby Valentine invented the Wrap
http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/dish/201112/new-red-sox-manager-bobby-valentines-odd-food-invention
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
I think he meant
that he invented rap the musical style.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
He was traded to New York in 1977, no?
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 1, 2011 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
Does anyone remember the uniforms from that movie Baseketball?
the Marlins new unis look almost exactly like them.
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
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AAA-ish, no?
I’ll be there on dozen egg night.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
Lol
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by Giant_in_la_area on Dec 1, 2011 6:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Gonzalez, why does it hurt?
WPA: -1.9
RE24: -25.8
REW: -2.6
WAR: 1.1 to 1.3 (depending who you ask)
K/BB: 126/22
The ZIPS projections made me very happy that they didn’t trade Brown.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
me three
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
me four
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Watching 'If Looks Could Kill' on Movieplex
Times is tough.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
RDF
Current musings on it. I think ownership is very concerned about the prospects of the A’s moving to SJ. In that instance, we might see two teams supporting 90-100 mil payrolls instead of 130 and 65 mil.
The longer and bigger the uncertainty of the A’s is, I don’t totally hate the ownership for trying to keep a consistent payroll knowing that revenues could dip 30-50 million in the next 2-5 years. I don’t hate the A’s either for trying to improve their value, revenue and team.
Until that is settled, we are going to feel like we are in purgatory, even with our team selling 3 million seats and playing good to great baseball.
Fair point.
the near $190m worth of fail known as Barry Zito and Aaron Rowand are probably the largest factor in RDF frugality. $130m will look far better after 2013.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
Indeed
I was happy to see Rowand go, but hardly makes me feel better we are 14 million dollar short of signing someone. Fuck that could be Reyes for the 2-5 mil they think they can get a SS for + that 14 mil.
no, he’s saying payroll is going to fall to 90-100MM from 130MM despite the team selling 3MM tickets
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Currently selling 3 million tix
My point is the revenue in the Bay Area is probably not going to increase with new stadium.. maybe some. I am afraid that every dollar increase the A’s get, is a dollar lost to the Giants.
I have no idea whether that’s the case or not (both the A’s and Giants drew in the early 00’s) but I would in no way be surprised if it happens or that people are thinking that. On the other hand, the Giants will get thrown so much money if the A’s move that it might make up for it
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 1, 2011 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think so
It wasn’t that long ago that both teams had good attendance. It isn’t zero sum.
I would hope not
$110m to $125m seems like a more natural home. I’m actually excited for the $20m+ cap space post Rowand, Zito and Huff.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
that $20MM cap space will just be filled by Lincecum and Cain. Giants really fucked themselves by signing those huge contracts during a phase in which they were supposed to be rebuilding and saving their self-imposed cap space
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<3 Kanani Madison
I was thinking
$40m cap space minus Lincecum/Cain/Panda salary increases would leave around $20m.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
The Zito signing is a gift that keeps on giving. It shows how ridiculous long-term contracts are because you can’t really tell what the team will be like at the end of the contract so while Zito might (MIGHT) have made sense with the team back then, there’d be no way of knowing that in five years, they’d be a pitching rich team maybe a player or two away from dominating the league but can’t because of the contract.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 1, 2011 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
Rowand Zito and Huff is a lot more than 20. Lincecum and Cain won’t eat up all of it when they’re both going to be fairly close to their average salary after signing big extensions next year anyway. Count on an extra 5-7 mil for each and you should still have enough money for Pablo and a few years of a pretty big free agent before Posey and MadBum get expensive.
Thing A
It was a shitty gamble
Replacing Barry with Barry as the “star” the fans to go see.
I think the threat of post Bonds fallout frightened them to get in a bad bidding war.
Oddibe! McDowell
ODDIBE (Odds of Important Baseball Events) McDowell
<a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDgQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.baseball-reference.com%2Fplayers%2Fm%2Fmcdowod01.shtml&ei=PCbYTsnrHNTH0AHCsOSBDg&usg=AFQjCNEM95xfGN7nqA95q4OO6Lnk3rbxHg" >Former Ranger Oddibe McDowell
Awaiting his arrival in SF: UCD alum Justin Fitzgerald
MATT CAIN IS PROJECTED FOR A CAREER WINNING RECORD?
WHY DOES ZIPS THINK HES GOING TO THE YANKEES?
Proud father of Barry Zito. As long as he keeps throwing strikes, that is.
Beltran vs Willingham
Sure Beltran is probably the best hitter, today.
Willingham, last 6 years has posted 2.1 WAR or more, wRC of 127 or more. The last year, in Oakland, so I would assume ATT would not smash his power.
3 years younger, hopefully cheaper, and not half the injury bug that Beltran has. Why not?
hmm, to root for PHI or SEA?
on the one hand, SEA and ARZ both lose this week, niners clinch. but if the niners win sunday, they clinch regardless of the outcome tonight.
so I’m going to root for SEA because Philly sucks ass and its fun to watch them cry.
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Root for PHI
Hope they win out, miss the playoffs at 9-7, but keep Reid because he ended the year on a 6 game winning streak. As an added bonus, Pete Carrol is closer to being fired.
Proud father of Barry Zito. As long as he keeps throwing strikes, that is.
Well, I want to keep Reid
Because as long as he’s around, I really doubt that the Eagles will win anything.
Proud father of Barry Zito. As long as he keeps throwing strikes, that is.
Andy Reid is always worth it for the LOLs. What? Five screen passes in a row to McCoy and a time out with 10 minutes to play in the game? Brilliant!
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 1, 2011 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
Seattle will probably win
The Eagles are replicating the Niners’ short week-travel three time zone Thanksgiving odyssey.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
I have money on Philly.
So I got that.
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by Giant_in_la_area on Dec 1, 2011 6:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
AURGH!
NO ALEX GONZALEZ!!!!!!
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Alex Gonzalez would be better than Crawford
But he’s not good.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Depends what the opportunity cost is.
In absolute terms probably not, but if they weren’t going to use that 5 million for anything else, they might as well buy a bit of an upgrade at short.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
They could save it for next year’s payroll or to acquire a player at the deadline.
Check out Catch-28.com, a blog about Buster Posey and the San Francisco Giants.
They do have a tendency to plead having no money because of their budget when the season starts and then trading for a bunch of players who bust that budget when the trading deadline appears close
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 1, 2011 6:43 PM PST up reply actions
Lets say the opportunity cost looks something like this...
What we will have:
LHRP: Jeremy Affeldt, $5MM
LHRP: Javier Lopez $4.5MM
Starting SS: Alex Gonzalez $5MM(?)
Starting OF: Melky Cabrera $4MM(?)
Bench OF: Nate S. $750K
Bench MI: Brandon Crawford/Mike Fontenot 450K, 2.5MM(?)
SUM: ~$22MM
What we could have had:
LHRP: Heath Hembree, $450K
LHRP: Dan Runzler $450K
Starting SS: Jose Reyes $16MM(?)
Starting OF: Nate Schierholtz $750K(?)
Bench OF: Andres Torres $2.5MM
Bench MI: Brandon Crawford/Mike Fontenot 450K, 2.5MM(?)
SUM: ~$23MM
Or this:
LHRP: Heath Hembree, $450K
LHRP: Javier Lopez $4.5MM
Starting SS: Mike Fontenot $2.5MM(?)
Starting OF: Carlos Beltran $15MM(?)
Bench OF: Nate S. $750K(?)
Bench MI: Brandon Crawford/Manny Burris 450K, 500K(?)
SUM: ~$24.5MM
When I look at it this way, the current alignment doesn’t look all that bad. adding a high priced FA does necessitate adding a crappy player to the 25 man roster just about any way you cut it. Not sure which alignment I prefer. Probably Reyes because that gives Belt the most opportunity, assuming a minimum 500 PA for Huff.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
There is no way Hembree is up to start this year.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2011 7:32 AM PST up reply actions
LOOGY.
Not starter.
Matt Yourkin would be another internal solution, but I thought Hembree would be the better choice between the two. Actually looking closer at Yourkin’s splits, he had a 47/8 K/BB against LHH in 46.2 IP. So I’d probably go with him even though he was starting in Fresno.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
Hembree is left handed?
Uhhhhh.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Yeah, uh, I guess I looked at the wrong line
when I was looking through the MILB rosters. I was like, really, Hembree’s a LH? Should have checked again.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
Why do people keep saying $5 million?
He made $2.5 mil last year.
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by CalBear949 on Dec 1, 2011 8:52 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Probably because of the Tejada price tag
which most thought was about right when the Giants got him.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
If we could get him for around 2-3 million I wouldn't be dissapointed.
Because they aren’t going to move payroll up and he could at least play defense.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
But so can Crawford
Gonzalez is a bad enough hitter that if that’s the option I’d rather see what Crawford can do because there wouldn’t be much, if any, difference.
If this were being kicked around as an insurance policy or as a platoon scheme I wouldn’t mind, but as we all know, if he’s signed, he’ll play every day.
by taliesin on Dec 2, 2011 8:18 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yea, not terrible v LHP splits last year
I would be optimistic they see him and Crawdaddy splitting some time, and the contract would be 2 mil for 1 year. The closer to 5 mil he is… blerg….
I'd rather they just play Gonzalez every day.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Crawford doesn't really have much of a platoon split as I can tell
Examining his minor league career.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I mean slightly better wRC last year than Gonzalez had vs RHP 66 v 71
If the givens Giants are going to keep Crawford on the big club, finding a good hitter VS LHP and defender for cheap would by my priority.
Given the Giants appear to want to keep him up… Gonzalez might be that kind of player.
Well yeah, but single season L/R splits are more or less useless
And Crawford didn’t even play a full season. It’s stat noise.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
You really think Bochy won't just throw the gritty veteran out there every day?
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Today's nerdy Behind the Scenes Star Wars photo
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 1, 2011 6:03 PM PST reply actions
clearly
the force
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
and yet, the light saber still works
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 1, 2011 6:33 PM PST up reply actions
Hadn't finished his training at this point
Mace Windu would have kicked the blaster out of his hand and lopped off his head
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting.
You mean the jet packs aren't real? Blasphemy
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting.
So Alex Gonzales has been discussed.
What other things can we talk about to depress and anger us?
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by Giant_in_la_area on Dec 1, 2011 6:18 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Miguel Tejada/Orlando Cabrera
"I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey, on how to gun down stolen base attempts
That I just thought of our world series championship team ( when it happens)
Alfonso Soriano CF
Mark Kotsay RF
Orlando Hudson SS
Alex Gonzalez 3B
Adam Kennedy 2B
Carlos Lee 1B
Ramon Hernandez C
Jerry Hairston LF
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- SF GIants Baseball 2011 = *sigh* Home of 6 World Series Titles
- SF 49ers Football 2011-2012 = ??? Home of the 5.5 Super Bowl Champs ( Aaron Rodgers should of been a Niner)
- WHO'S GOT IT BETTER THAN US???? NOOOOOOOOOOBODYY!!!!!!!!!!!!
- A fan of the Warriors and Lakers.
Holy AARP, Batman!
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
Oh man am I a genius or what
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- SF GIants Baseball 2011 = *sigh* Home of 6 World Series Titles
- SF 49ers Football 2011-2012 = ??? Home of the 5.5 Super Bowl Champs ( Aaron Rodgers should of been a Niner)
- WHO'S GOT IT BETTER THAN US???? NOOOOOOOOOOBODYY!!!!!!!!!!!!
- A fan of the Warriors and Lakers.
@Ken_Rosenthal
More on A. Gonzalez: Hairston better fit for #SFGiants due to versatility. #Brewers, #Dodgers also on Hairston, who wants 2-yr deal. #MLB
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- SF GIants Baseball 2011 = *sigh* Home of 6 World Series Titles
- SF 49ers Football 2011-2012 = ??? Home of the 5.5 Super Bowl Champs ( Aaron Rodgers should of been a Niner)
- WHO'S GOT IT BETTER THAN US???? NOOOOOOOOOOBODYY!!!!!!!!!!!!
- A fan of the Warriors and Lakers.
I’m beginning to hate the word “versatile.”
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 1, 2011 7:34 PM PST up reply actions
Well, now, dont you tell me to smile
You stick around Ill make it worth your while
Like numbers beyond what you can dial
Maybe its because were so versatile
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Matt Cain is being advertised as being on the Giants Hot Stove show on KNBR after 8 PM with Marty Lurie (in case people are wondering if it was Eric Byrnes hosting).
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
35 year old shortstops lose range? noooo I’ev never heard of that…and who says Gonzalez can still hit?
Did he ever hit? http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/gonzaal02.shtml
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
OT
Napoleon Dynamite is being animated: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1743880/
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I guess that means Jon Heder's career didn't really take off.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Surf's Up
Second Best Penguin Movie of 2007
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
Aubrey Huff: "Let's Get Weird"
by slackersphere17 on Dec 1, 2011 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
Happy Feet or March of the Penguins?
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
Happy Feet
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
Aubrey Huff: "Let's Get Weird"
by slackersphere17 on Dec 1, 2011 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
There was a horrendous Hollywod Reporter article today
About Happy Feet 2 and Cars 2 failing because the movies were pushing a liberal agenda.
It’s like, dude, they were shitty sequels.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Cars 2 had a liberal agenda?
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
Oh okay, now I remember. Left wing hippie crap. Polluting my kids mind…
Actually my son was giving me a hard time because I ran back inside the house yesterday with the car running. I got a speech about fossil fuel. He needs a haircut too.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
Bench Warmers!!
Rob Schneider, Spade, Lovitz, Romo (Bill not Segio), Sean Salsbury, Craig Kilborn
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting.
I just got an ESPN app alert that the Marlins signed Heath Bell to a 3 year deal
"I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey, on how to gun down stolen base attempts
LOL Eagles
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Isn't Reed Johnson the guy that Kruk was drooling over every time we played the Cubs last year?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
no, it was, uh
Tony Campana or something
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
he hit .259/.301/.303 last year
and Kruk wouldn’t shut up about what a perfect leadoff hitter he would be
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Ohhh right
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Dude is really fast and not much else.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
yeah he had like 26 SB and only 2 CS
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
BUT HE IS A SINGLES HITTER!
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2011 7:18 AM PST up reply actions
I thought it was because of his delicious filling.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 2, 2011 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
PIE POKER
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 2, 2011 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
CAKE CUNNILINGERER
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 2, 2011 9:40 AM PST up reply actions
PASTRY PIRATE
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
NAPOLEAN NOODLER
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 2, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
I got yelled at for saying Lurie knew crap about baseball
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 2, 2011 8:10 AM PST up reply actions
But you weren't wrong
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
#Marlins indeed on verge of completing 3-year, $27M deal with Heath Bell, as first reported by @jaysonst #MLB
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
wow
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
Flags Fly Forever
"Orlando before Zod" doesn't have the same nice ring to it.
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 1, 2011 8:10 PM PST up reply actions
At this point now they have to make a harder push on Reyes or Pujols, right? Heath Bell is a nice piece for a playoff team. But Reyes or Pujols gets them closer to the playoffs and sells tickets.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
Good news on Pablo and more
Sandoval’s other issue that limited his right-handed swing was a sore left shoulder in September. He even had to bat lefty-on-lefty four times in. Morgan said Sandoval’s shoulder is now "100 percent, a complete non-issue" and he’s taking swings from both sides in the cage.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Even if they believe they can begin season with young Brandon Crawford as their starting shortstop, but it would be completely out of character for GM Brian Sabean not to provide a veteran for insurance, at least.
Insurance? Or a permanent replacement after Crawford goes 0-for-4 on Opening Day?
It bothers me that they think Crawford is ready for a starting job but Belt is not.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
I choose to ignore the first one.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 1, 2011 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
And we're overflowing with awesomeness at 1b?
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Yeah
We have Huff, who is guaranteed to replicate his 2010 numbers. If that doesn’t work, we have Pill, who will provide us with delicious ribeyes!
How could I forget?!
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Insurance!
Bork always plays veteran over youth.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 1, 2011 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
he was asked about signing again with the giants
Cain sounded very grateful for all that’s been done but didn’t really indicate any preference to come back; he mentioned that it would be really difficult when he got to that point (the impression I got was that the difficult part was saying goodbye)
The Giants are going to need be the highest bidder, he won’t give preference to them.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 1, 2011 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
If the Giants aren't going to bother to get these boys some bats
I don’t blame them for leaving.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Where did you pull that out of?
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
Has he indicated a preference to stay with the Giants and work out a deal? I’m just assuming that players who would prefer to stay with a team make it known. The beat reporters have asked him in private, I’m sure.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 1, 2011 9:40 PM PST up reply actions
Didn’t Cain move to Arizona recently? He had been living in San Francisco. I wonder if part of the reason was in preparation for an eventual changing of teams.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 1, 2011 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
I also wonder if the rumors of the Yankees desire to trade for him is a way of the Yankees letting Cain know they have serious interest in him. Cashman never believed the Giants would deal Cain. It’s a way for the Yankees to tell Cain hold off until free-agency to sign a deal so the Yankees can make their offer.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 1, 2011 9:34 PM PST up reply actions
It’s sort of like the hot girl slyly letting it be known that if you break up with you girlfriend, she’ll be right there waiting for you
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 1, 2011 11:15 PM PST up reply actions
Happened to me, didn’t work out.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 2, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
Where – To the D-Bags? Seems unlikely. I guess we should assume that FSanchez is going to D-Bags as well. Lots of players make home around spring training regions.
Yeah, that’s part of my point. He was living in San Francisco this whole time and moved to Arizona to establish a long term base for his family. I’m just guessing that it could have been a factor, not that it needed to or anything.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 1, 2011 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
It certainly makes it easier if he does change teams. He knows he’ll become a free agent after next season.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 1, 2011 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
There are tax reasons to live in Arizona over anywhere in California.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Yeah, for when he signs his big deal.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 1, 2011 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
that doesnt sound good.
so much for that gold standard. and really w/o cain. what do we have?
lincecum doesnt sound happy. there are still rumors about cain or lincecum headed for NY. zito is zito . that, like what was said earlier ,leaves madbum.
do the giants plan on madbum doing all the work? we know the batters wont be doing anything
by orange velvet on Dec 1, 2011 9:40 PM PST up reply actions
Just listened to the interview
I don’t think Cain’s tone necessarily indicates he’s gone, or he’s definitely staying. He sounds like that all the time, and he said plenty of positive things about the Giants FO (more than I would).
"The definition of insanity is startjng Orlando Cabrera over and over again and expecting different results"--Albert Einstein
Relistening to it
it was around 19:00 when Marty asked whether he wants to re-sign with the giants, and Cain replied that “they (he and his family) love the Giants!” which is defniitely not what was being asked. He also talked about it being a difficult decision, and leaving being part of the game, which is what made me think “He gone”. Which is not a bad thing!
I thought he referenced “leaving being part of the game” when asked about Jonathan Sanchez being traded.
"The definition of insanity is startjng Orlando Cabrera over and over again and expecting different results"--Albert Einstein
Hmm
Well the part is around 19:48; he’s talking about it being a difficult decision when anything comes about, but it’s part of the game. Since it’s in context of him having been treated well by the giants, I read that as having an implied “leaving” there.
To me, it sounded like he was referring to the whole contract merry-go-round as being that difficult part of the game. He also didn’t say “I’ll never leave the Giants!” which I’m sure his agent has coached him to never to say, as how stupid would that be right before a negotiation?
He’s a smart man, he’s going to wait and see what offers are on the table before he assumes anything. He’d never survive as a McCoven.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
wcw batin'
MR STAR: I say we offer him $50,000 that’s it, take it or leave it.
MR BURNS: How do we know how severe the burns are? Why don’t we have him examined by a doctor.
MS. JORDAN: Listen, the faster we dispose of this the better. This thing gets into the paper it will kill us.
MR STAR: All right, we’ll start at 50,000 and free coffee at all of our stores.
(Secretary beeps)
MR STAR: (Answering secretary) Yes?
(Heard over the speaker)
SECRETARY: Mr. Chiles and Mr. Kramer are here.
(To intercom)
MR STAR: Send them in.
(Mr. Star opens door to let Jackie and Kramer in)
MR STAR: Gentleman.
(Kramer and Jackie enter Mr. Star’s office)
MR STAR: Gentleman come in. Now we don’t want to take up much of your time. Let’s make this short and sweet. We’re prepared to offer you all the free coffee you want in any of our stores throughout North America and Europe, Plus..
KRAMER: (Interrupting) I’LL TAKE IT!!
(Scene ends)
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
Do you have a link?
I cannot find it on the website.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
it's hard to maneuver
try here? I couldn’t even find the podcasts on the front page. The talk about re-signing is later in the interview, around 18-19 min.
Thanks
that website is overload. They should just put up the shows by hours and separate out segments with guests.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
nada mucho
worked from 9:00 AM to 8:00 PM yesterday and probably personally saved the company from disaster. that was fun.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
so bobby valentine on the red sox huh?
that’s gonna go well
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
He’s gonna have at least one epic on camera meltdown
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
And Cherington didnt even want him!
It’s gonna be glorious
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
This is a very long article on it if you care
But basic gist is that Cherington wanted Dale Sveurm. Owners didn’t like him. Then Sveum became the Cubs manager and the owners shoved Valentine down Cherington’s throat.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
He invent the wrap!
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Dec 1, 2011 8:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
/awkward, ill timed fist bump
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 1, 2011 8:39 PM PST up reply actions
Sabean, you son of a bitch!
Stay the hell away from Alex Gonzalez.
He’ll turn 35 in February, hit into 19 double plays last season, struck out 126 times, walked 22 times, an OBP of .270, etc…the list goes on.
He’s also very emotional and animated when playing, similar to Tejada but worse. That is going to be so annoying when he’s constantly failing.
Braves fan comment from a month ago
He is a great SS. That’s where it ends. When my wife knows that he can’t resist a breaking ball in the dirt or the high fastball. There are problems. Every time she heard me go “oh christ” or something her reply “that gonzalez guy up?”
Remind you of someone?
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 1, 2011 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
And then Rich Aurilia, Edgar Rentería, Miguel Tejada, Alex Gonzalez promptly hit into a double play. I see a pattern here.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Yes, but at least he isn’t Yuniesky Betancourt. Learn to be grateful for what you have!
Check out Catch-28.com, a blog about Buster Posey and the San Francisco Giants.
RELIEVERS ARE MAKIN IT RAIN
d_a_cameron David Cameron
Heath Bell has been an elite reliever in three of his seven seasons. But I’m sure he can go 3 for 3 from age 34-36.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Marshawn Lynch with a good game tonight: 22 rushes for 148 yards and 2 TDs.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
On the flip side
billbarnwell Bill Barnwell
RT @SheilKapadia: RT @Jeff_McLane: I asked one #Eagles player what was up with DeSean Jackson. His response: “He’s f****** around.”
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Jackson will be a free agent. I assume he has one foot out the door.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Free Agency is such a volatile process for NFL players. Their careers are shorter & they are limited to only a couple times when they can cash in on the market for guaranteed money. So I can accept DeSean Jackson’s (and others) actions when they are d*cked around by a franchise.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
nothing worse than being d*cked around by an entire franchise.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
But most importantly, he’d d*cking around my pokemonz football team. He’s this year’s “Fantasy Player I Cannot Not Play Despite the Fact He’s Killing Me.”
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 2, 2011 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
You can certainly sit him as long as VY is his QB.
by BestHyperboleEver on Dec 2, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
Chris Johnson!
Although he had a good game last week.
by free f.p. #14 on Dec 2, 2011 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
He got suspended for missing a mandatory team meeting.
Then he was reinstated and started dropping passes right and left while uncharacteristically short-arming almost everything.
What did I miss?
by BestHyperboleEver on Dec 2, 2011 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
They made like they were gonna give him a new contract in the preseason with no intention to do so.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2011 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
News to me. How does one “make like” they’re going to give him a new contract?
by BestHyperboleEver on Dec 2, 2011 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
Actually negotiate with his agent and talk publicly about it.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2011 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
So, if they negotiated and spoke publicly about it, then seems they did intend to give him a new contract. Perhaps they just had differing ideas of his value and negotiations broke down, right? I still don’t see how that’s screwing with him.
Unless, of course, they badly lowballed him, refused to negotiate and were just looking for the PR spin. But is there evidence of that?
I mean, just because a team doesn’t give him the huge contract he wants doesn’t mean they’re screwing him. They’re not obligated to hand him a blank check because he’s a nice guy and a good football player.
by BestHyperboleEver on Dec 2, 2011 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
had a beast mode TD as well
plus bench Skittles
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
I was always waiting for George Carlin to curse when he narrated Thomas the Train.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
lulz
Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
Vesting option on Bell’s deal with #Marlins worth $9M. So, potential for 4 yrs, $36M with vest. #MLB
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
He's a closer so probably some sort of games finished clause
Ridiculous deal for an above average but possibly declining closer
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
I am getting more confident that Affeldt would be a bargain to another at $5 million
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Dec 1, 2011 9:03 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
See my vest...
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I'm guessing that vest is a XXXL
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting.
Nicolas Cage is on my TV
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Dec 1, 2011 9:10 PM PST via mobile reply actions
He’s always on my tv, getting him off of it is the trick.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
Yes they are. Regardless of any off-the-field transgressions that may or may not have happened today.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
Due Process
Whatever punishment is in store for him (if found guilty) I hope he learns from it. Until it’s all figured out, let the man continue to make his living. On a selfish note: Hope it doesn’t get figured out until March.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
You can shoo him out of the house with a broom.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
man paul simon
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
or is this just like 'whoa, the boxer is a good song' kind of thing
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
peace like a river, dude
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
man
any decade tbh
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
except the 90s i guess
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
yeah but hearts & bones is fucking awesome
except for cars are cars which might be the worst song ever written
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
TWITCHING LIKE A FINGER
ON A TRIGGER OF A GUN
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
some folks' lives roll easy
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
peace like a river ran through the city
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
ohhhh four in the morning
woke up from out of my dream
nowhere to go but back to sleep
but i’m reconciled
oh oh oh i’m gonna be up for awhile
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
wow
playoffs already?
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
OT: holy hannah the Moldovans like the yodeling?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlKxEDv-PV8
I am speechless.
I kinda like this version better than the other version you posted.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
that's because it's Moldovan hardcore folk whatever guys doing it
I think I like it better, too. No nostalgia, no 18-year-old chanteuse, but more interesting.
Look up the Zdob şi Zdub guys. Interesting.
I am looking up Gaelic Storm right now.
Maybe later.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
they feature a song titled 'The Night I Punched Russell Crowe'?
I love them already.
And apparently is a music video done in Lego which is awesome.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I just started listening to them thanks to Pandora.
There has yet to be a song I do not like.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Huh.
After a start playing monthly gigs for friends at Santa Monica’s O’Brien’s Tavern in 1995, the band’s popularity skyrocketed when it appeared in James Cameron’s Titanic as the Celtic party band in the ship’s steerage.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
LA Times: Mark Cuban still interested in buying Dodgers
Mark Cuban, the owner of the NBA champion Dallas Mavericks, said Thursday that he plans to participate in the bidding process for the Dodgers.
The process could begin next week, when the investment bank handling the sale of the Dodgers is expected to provide prospective buyers with confidential financial data in a so-called “bid book.” A party that receives a book is not obligated to bid.
“[I] will see a book,” Cuban wrote in an email.
Cuban told The Times last month that he had inquired about buying the Dodgers but “wasn’t interested” at an asking price of at least $1 billion.
Cuban previously pursued the Chicago Cubs and Texas Rangers. He said last month he would not be interested in the Atlanta Braves if that franchise were put up for sale.
Selig hates the idea of Cuban owning a team so it won’t happen. Still…pray every day that he doesn’t because Cuban’s one of those crazy people who doesn’t care if he spends his billions on buying athletes
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 1, 2011 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
cuban without a salary cap
oh man
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Dec 2, 2011 6:46 AM PST up reply actions
Well if there is a time it will happen, that time is now. Kind of hard for MLB to block a buyer in bankruptcy court
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2011 7:17 AM PST up reply actions
I’d like to see Cuban in MLB. Just not with the Dodgers.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
Agent Ned
LA Times:
General Manager Ned Colletti is nearing the end of his budget for the 2012 season and he’s still minus two starters for the rotation.
Between Frank McCourt dropping another $9.9 million in bankruptcy-related expenses (per The Times’ Bill Shaikin) just through October and Colletti dropping $4.5 million on Juan Rivera, it doesn’t appear the Dodgers have enough money left to bring back Kuroda. He wants to pitch one more season.
Dodgers.com’s Ken Gurnick previewed the winter meetings by estimating that Colletti had only about $10 million left to work with — and that was before he spent at least $800,000 on utility infielder Adam Kennedy.
ZITO 4 KEMP!
We’ll give them a starter AND some salary relief. That’s too good of a deal to pass up.
CBS Sports:
And sources have told CBSSports.com’s Scott Miller that the Marlins are optimistic they will land Reyes and are simply waiting on his decision. “Hopes are high,” according to sources with knowledge of the team’s thinking. And it’s not just the Marlins themselves thinking this way.
“Everyone seems to think Reyes is the right fit for the Marlins,” a baseball source told Miller.
Giant Pain upon seeing the news....
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 1, 2011 11:19 PM PST up reply actions
Well then
it’s a simple solution to this problem. Kill the entire upper management of the Florida Marlins. Who’s with me?
Proud adoptee of Dick Tidrow the mastermind behind Tim Lincecum, Matt Cain, Buster Posey and many more. Also known as "The Reason".
I'm in
But of course you know there are about 6 other teams that would be willing to spend more than the Giants. Killing spree road trip?
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
All of Montreal
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 2, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
Obviously, the right fit for Reyes is the low-payroll team that already has a shortstop
And not the wealthy team with a great pitching staff who miss a shortstop like the deserts miss the rain.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I just looked up the population
Appears south Florida has 5 million inhabitants. With the ballpark move, selling 2-3 million seats a year, that team might become a major contender.
5 million probbaly includes a lot of people who no longer go out
Florida: God’s Waiting Room
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
It is hard to say
There is also a lot of money in Miami and the party scene. Convenient ballpark and good team, they might get that thing going.
Yeah, I just wanted to make the "God's waiting room" joke
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting.
Nice Everything But the Girl reference, GP
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 2, 2011 8:59 AM PST up reply actions
I felt worse upon seeing my lunch today.
Clearly, I’ll have to drive further to get the lunch I deserve on these days off I so richly deserve. Perhaps El Dorado Hills. Maybe Folsom.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 2, 2011 12:00 AM PST reply actions
I had Tres Hermanas in Downtown Sac for lunch yesterday. It was spectacular. One of the few things I miss about living there.
by BestHyperboleEver on Dec 2, 2011 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
I have to remember that place when I go to Sac for business. Is that the place they featured on Diners, Dives, and Drive-ins?
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I don't know.
But they should. Though it doesn’t really fit into any of those categories. Regardless, I highly recommend the Chili Verde burrito.
Between that, Celestine’s and the Weatherstone Coffee House across the street from my apartment, I was a happy guy living in Midtown.
by BestHyperboleEver on Dec 2, 2011 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
OT
KGO radio goes to all news format from 2 PM to midnight beginning this Monday (right-click and new window)
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Isn’t KCBS all news? Or did they change their format?
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I think one of the reason so many people here are somewhat alright with Crawford at SS is because there’s no reason to have faith in the team doing anything other than drastically overpaying for a year of a shitty old SS who is only marginally better than Crawford anyway.
The first six innings are overrated.
Anyone see anything wrong with this top prospect list?
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 2, 2011 12:58 AM PST reply actions
Wow. He is above Wheeler, Singleton, and Rizzo.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2011 5:20 AM PST up reply actions
Good thing we didn't trade him for Beltran
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
daaaamn
i like surkamp but i don’t think you could ever rank him that highly
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
looking at that list
he seems to take stats into account maybe a little too much
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I don't disagree with you.
But there’s also a good chance we, here at MCC, his SSS MLB stats into account a little too much. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.
by BestHyperboleEver on Dec 2, 2011 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I mean
Even if all the scouty types don’t like him, Surkamp has a MiLB ERA of 2.85 in four seasons with a 10.6 K/9 and a 2.5 BB/9.
Velocity issues aside, you can’t do that if you suck.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Good morning everyone.
Cold here but I think it is supposed to get into the 40s
/crosses fingers
I had an email waiting for me this morning that said one of the pages on our website wasn’t working. After some troubleshooting I found a random ‘z’ in the code.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
by jhiat00 on Dec 2, 2011 6:52 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
hahahahahaha
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
lulZ
Currently in the 40s in DFW. Rain is supposed to start today & last throughout the weekend. I was supposed to move tomorrow. I guess I’ll finally start xmas shopping.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
Cold rain is not fun. It’s probably better than snow though.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I’ll take snow over freezing rain any time of the year.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Well, we are about to get a bunch of both!
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
I collect my rainwater and redistill it.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
It’s supposed to reach the 60s so no freezing rain this weekend. Low 40s at night. I don’t drive when the roads get frozen. My boss gives me a hard time about it. California boy stays home during the winter.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
It was in the 60’s and 70"s here for almost a week. And then yesterday and today are in the high 30’s
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2011 7:34 AM PST up reply actions
rtnichols Ryan Nichols
@
@jonahkeri Every time a team gives up a 1st rnd draft pick to sign a reliever god kills 3 kittens and extends Brian Sabean’s contract
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
sort of related
I’m a bit surprised that Bell only got 3/27 after Papelbon got so much $$
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Both deals are stupid
At least Papelbon is actually really good and 3 years younger
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Yea me too
3 for 27 doesnt look as nice as 4 for 36, which it will be if he gets the automatic vesting.
I’m surprised Bell left San Diego. I was always under the impression he wanted to stay there no matter what they paid him.
He stated that he was going to take a hometown discount deal. I don’t think SD was that interest on re-signing him.
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It’s hard to be a cheap-ass franchise when your best player actually wants to resign with you but for a little bit more money than before
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 2, 2011 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
I haven’t been able to stop reading ASOIAF since the end of ACoK. I read the last 1/4 of ACoK, ASoS and ~1/2 of AFFC in about 2 weeks. Which is unheard of for me.
Kickham where it hurts
ASOS has that effect on people
Surprised you kept up the momentum through AFFC though!!
Actually, for me, I read AFFC very quickly.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
The Brienne chapters are slowing me down, they’ve taken the place of Bran.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2011 7:25 AM PST up reply actions
AFFC isn’t WORST EVA, but compared to the first three, it’s really slow.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
it and ADWD are both more "mood" pieces
everyone trying to pick up the pieces after the utter madness in ASOS
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
and hopefully getting themselves into place for the utter madness that will be TWOW and ADOS
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I liked AFFC but mainly for the stuff with Cersei and Sansa- Cersei’s plot line being one of my favorites in the book. I also strangely like the Dorne story but I might be the only one. ADWD was a hell of a lot more of a chore for me
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 2, 2011 9:02 AM PST up reply actions
I love the Dornish story line
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2011 9:18 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, there’s a lot going on there and I like how the uncle (?) plots things out. Plus, I kind of picture the Vipers as being the Fox Force Five of Westeros who secretly go out and defend Dorne in tight leather outfits and slinky lingerie
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 2, 2011 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah
but he didn’t really fit into their youth movement. Besides, the Padres grow relievers like Bell in a laboratory.
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by CalBear949 on Dec 2, 2011 9:30 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
The Padres are like the A’s- the Logan’s Run of baseball franchises. As soon as their players turn 25, they trade them away lest they get too “expensive.”
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 2, 2011 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
This is such an unbelievable reply failure.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Yeah.
definitely…I can’t even blame it on my phone.
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UNBENT, UNBOWED, AND TOTALLY SMUG
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I just wanted maximal use of the word smug. House Slynt’s words should have been “TOTALLY SMUG”
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
House Slynt: Upjumped Butchers
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
House Slynt: Not butchers, artisanal charcutières
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 2, 2011 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
I also like the Tyrell’s just because they’ve been pretty much ahead of Cersei from the get-go, even possibly (I think) taking going balls out and taking care of somebody who would have made their lives hell
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 2, 2011 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
Wasn’t that confirmed? Or are you referring to something other than the Queen of Thorns’ plot with Littlefinger?
GROUGTHINK ALERT
I was never sure so when reading about it so what I took from somebody’s untimely yet well deserved farewell I got on Wiki and that’s what it said. Or at least suggested- even the wiki’s and FAQ’s aren’t quite sure what happened.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 2, 2011 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
Littlefinger talked about it in one of the ASOS Sansa chapters afterwards.
I think Margaery’s knowledge is the part that’s just implied, but the rest is stated outright, from what I recall.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
Go read the wiki’s and FAQ’s as while they agree upon Littlefinger, who did what nobody is sure of and I’m seeing a list of suspects of 4-5 people who were directly involved to the point of putting it in the cup (and, yes the Tyrell’s are definitely on the list). One theory even has it that Twyin is in on it:
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 2, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe I need to give Game of Thrones another shot. I just found it boring on the first try.
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
Crap. Does this mean as vice mayor I’m not allowed to like it?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
You can like it, but you have to be embarrassed about liking it.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 2, 2011 8:09 AM PST up reply actions
Much like Howie feels about walking around in women’s underwear.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 2, 2011 8:11 AM PST up reply actions
There’s nothing embarrassing about wearing women’s underwear to the supermarket. It’s the lack of other clothing that can make you red in the face.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
And other places.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Of course. Try ordering a Grande Frappucino with extra whip in a sports bra & a thong without blushing.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
LOL GIANTS
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 2, 2011 8:02 AM PST reply actions
This is a general sentiment
or something specific.
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This is a statement
or a question?
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 2, 2011 8:35 AM PST up reply actions
Is this plain
or bold?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Outlook is down at work. I can’t function.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
LOL Microsoft.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
To be fair, even with Outlook you are only marginally functional.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 2, 2011 8:59 AM PST up reply actions
TWSS
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 2, 2011 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
Could be brilliant
The Padres have hired former Mets and Expos GM Omar Minaya, according to Jon Heyman of SI.com (Twitter link). He will likely advise GM Josh Byrnes on Latin American operations.
Omar was only dangerous when he had money to spend. That’s definitely not a problem with the Padres.
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OMAR IS ALWAYS DANGEROUS
/drops money and drugs out the window in a sack
The first six innings are overrated.
Wheee
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
by marcello on Dec 2, 2011 9:02 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Flee!
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 2, 2011 9:37 AM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Is me rec'ing this narcisstic?
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting.
Yes. But a rec’s a rec, so go for it.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 2, 2011 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
YES
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
Grant found these songs that mashup Ocarina of Time music with some hip hop artists. At first listen I think I like some of them.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Finally... some GOOD news. Sandoval & Multi-year
Or as MLBTR puts it -
“Ryan Morgan, Pablo Sandoval’s agent, told Andrew Baggarly of the San Jose Mercury News that he has had “very broad discussions” with Giants VP Bobby Evans about Sandoval’s 2012 contract and that Sandoval is open to a multiyear contract. Sandoval is going through the arbitration process for the first time this winter and Baggarly thinks the two sides could revisit the idea of an extension if Sandoval shows up in great shape to Spring Training."
Philosophical question. What shape is the best?
Personally I’ve always liked trigonal bipyramidal
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2011 9:24 AM PST up reply actions
HOLY CRAP HE COULD GET BETTER?
Morgan is betting that the eye surgery will make a big difference in Sandoval’s platoon splits. In 2009, when he hit .330, Sandoval batted .379 from his (natural) right side. But his vision became an issue the following year, he started experimenting with contact lenses and goggles, and then hit .227 from the right side. (Last season, a much fitter Sandoval hit .290 from the right side and .324 from the left side.)
Remember when he got glasses in the offseason before 2010?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I remember those gogles
Who knows what really happened in 2010…
But to think he hit only .290 from his natural side, hit .380 there his first full year.
I am just excited at what might happen.
No! Don’t eet!
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 2, 2011 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
Except that his right side isn’t his natural side.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 2, 2011 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
LOL Rockies
this is exactly what you want to hear from your new FA pickup
Newly-signed Rockies catcher Ramon Hernandez appeared on the Venezuelan sports radio show Los Cronistas today (Twitter link, in Spanish) and said he isn’t sure if he’ll be physically able to keep playing beyond his current contract. Hernandez will be 37 by the time his two-year deal with Colorado expires.
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sabes is gonna swoop
The first six innings are overrated.
Extrapolated Career Statistics
ZiPS calculates over 600 career WINZ for Tim, Cain and Bumgarner. If that isn’t awesome, even for a stat everyone hates, I don’t know what is.
Unfortunately, 550 are between Timmy and Bumgarner.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Pssh, real mean do that on there own.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2011 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
This video is really cool.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
POST BURRITO COMA zzzzzzzzz
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
Jose Reyes offer from Marlins
reportedly 6 years for between 70 and 90 million.
So the median of that range is 12.33 million.
Good thing we have Affeldt AND Lopez.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
There is no way he signs for
anything under $100 or $15-18 million per. Clint Barmes got freaking $5.25 million per year.
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I agree it would be shocking,
but it sounds like the Marlins are the only team in on him and that’s their offer. I am sure that could change.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
Sure
but the Marlins are also the only team that has made an offer to Pujols.
Heck, Marlins are making offers to every FA.
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SWOOPING!
my most optimistic self is hoping that Sabean’s 180 on Affeldt is a result of the soft market for Reyes.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
I said it before…Giants signed Affeldt with the intent to trade him. $5 million one year contract for the best LHP reliever in the market is very tempting. Had Affeldt gone FA, he would have gotten close to or $5 million and multiple years.
I still think Beltran is the target.
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Baggs thinks that Sabean didn’t sign him to trade him, but has since found out that other teams are interested.
Proud owner of over 20,000 comments. (most of them in the wrong place) Oh yeah, and Buster Posey
I like Baggs
but I do not think any writer has any idea what Sabean thinks or does not think.
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So you have a better idea of what Sabean is/was doing than Baggs?
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
No
I’m just conjecturing just like he is. But I would say that Sabean is probably extra Sabeany around reports.
Sabean does let his true emotion known at times but that’s usually when he get emotional like when he talked about Cousins.
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Broxton got 4 mil to setup
With health\ability questions on make good contract
Add in Lefty market weakness and Affeldt is probably better, 5 mil is at or below market my a mil or two.
He is tradeable.
I also look at the ZiPS sheet. Lopez, Affeldt, Runzler, Hinshaw and someone worse that Hinshaw. Trading Affeldt will mean it is Runzler+Lopez or bust.
by Myemail21479 on Dec 2, 2011 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
Err well
I guess we can get a bottom rung lefty on the market still… it is early and they are not swooped yet.
by Myemail21479 on Dec 2, 2011 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
I would have taken my chances with internal solutions
and just dedicated the money to a Rainy Beltran Fund.
Don’t you risk sending the wrong message to an agent/player when you spend 10 million on a weekend LOOGY spree, then talk about how hard your self-imposed spending limits are?
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
Wait, I thought if you signed someone from free agency the earliest you could trade them was something like June 1st.
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They didn't sign Affeldt as an FA.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I don’t get it, why would Beltran be the target if they’re going to trade Affeldt? Beltran is a FA.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Money
the question is how much Sabean has to sign Beltran. He would have $5 million less to spend if Affeldt was on the team.
They already committed to a $130 million payroll. Based upon how salary arbitration shakes out, the Giants would have a payroll somewhere around $120 million. $10 million vs. $15 million could make the difference on whether the Giants get Beltran or not.
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He doesn’t have anything to sign Beltran. The ownership put an email rule on his inbox that routes any email containing ‘Beltran’ and other key words to their RDF folder.
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What would you post about if the RDF did not exist.
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Whatever other reason they had for not getting good free agents.
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I can’t help but imagine how More Or Less The Same the team would be now if we had simply released Sanchez and not reupped Affeldt.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 2, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
But Calbear, Beltran is going to fetch way more than $5 million. And if you got back player(s) worth having for Affeldt, you’d still have to pay them something. I don’t see this as much help in the Beltran sweepstakes.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Not really
the idea is that the Giants would get someone (preferably a MI) young and cheap.
It’s like a mid-season trade ala Beltran for Wheeler but a notch down.
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The young and cheap middle infielder acquirable for Jeremy Affeldt
Does not exist.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Sorry
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It’s ok, I really enjoy watching you fight off the hordes. You do stand alone quite a bit around here. I’m betting you’re a kickass lawyer.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I think most clients prefer it if their attorneys are right every once in a while.
Also, I used to be the guy who argued with everyone else! What happened?
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
We secretly brought you into THE SWARM
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Clients prefer if you win their case whether they are right or not.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
This is true.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Being right probably helps a little.
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But unless it hurts (or has 0 correlation), it must help, however little.
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...
“Being right” is a pretty broad statement. Maybe you can be more specific?
And do you really expect me to quantify for you “little” vs “surprisingly little”? Whatever amount you are thinking of, halve it.
Meh. I don’t really care to get into a semantics argument.
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What were you looking for?
But unless it hurts (or has 0 correlation), it must help, however little.
I should have been more careful in my phrasing. I don’t care to get more semantic than I’ve been.
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Note: this is not a shot at you at all. Between my work and nitpicking CalBear, I’d say that I’m all semantic’d out for today.
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It helps
you wouldn’t need a good lawyer if you were “right”.
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that's why the
quotation marks are there :)
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People believe this, tho, sadly.
Yesterday, I listened to a case where the defense atty completely blew it by continually trying to say that that cop was profiling his client, even though he had successfully gotten his gang affiliation evidence suppressed. His case was that his client didn’t really do anything (true), but instead he made a crusade of badmouthing the cop.
Sometimes, even gangbangers are just walking down the street, but don’t remind the jury your client is a gangbanger, asshole, if you want them to acquit.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Thanks for the compliment!
It is melting 0.1% of my frozen heart.
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We had this discussion
I am not locked on a MI but would prefer one.
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I would prefer a pony, also.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
And rainbows and unicorns!
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If someone gave me a pony I would be pissed.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 2, 2011 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
You could probably sell the pony.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Not for nearly as much as probably think
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
Think of all of the glue you could get out of that fucker.
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Not much
it’s a freaking pony. Unless the horn is made out of hooves.
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Modern day White Elephant.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 2, 2011 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
What if they gave you a little horse?
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 2, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
I’d have to kick it.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 2, 2011 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
Dude, Lackey is injured.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
But would signing an oft-injured SS to a six year contract really be that smart of a move, especially in light of all the money the Giants have to dole out to keep their nucleus and not get tied down with another Zito/Rowand situation? And is it realistic to think that without Lopez and Affeldt, we’d be involved throwing money at Reyes?
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 2, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
Yes
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I suspect that is the same answer to both questions
by Myemail21479 on Dec 2, 2011 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
This is why I have mostly been in Beltran's corner
rather than Reyes’
But if the price were, say, 14 million, I think it would be worth the risk. I mean, that’s Aaron Rowand Money.
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I am anxious for the A's to post ZiPS today
The guy who won the contest asked for them.
Reason is, i want to see Willingham and compare to Beltran. Younger, cheaper, good power, even with the A’s, and smaller health risk.
by Myemail21479 on Dec 2, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
But
1) He does not play a demanding defensive position;
2) Does not depend on speed as a major part of this game;
3) shorter contract.
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Did Beltran play with any speed while playing at AT&T?
of course his defensive statuteness is not going to be good but his offense more than make up for it.
I would prefer that the Giants re-sign Torres cheaply and move Melky to LF.
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I thought you wanted the Giants to use Affedlt money to sign Beltran. I’m confused.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
budget
Giants have a $130M payroll.
Let’s say after arbitration, the Giants have committed $120 million. That leaves $10 million left for Sabean to buy Yuni Betancourt. But he might say, hey, I can have Jack Wilson and Beltran for $15 million per. I wish I had $5 million extra million…oh wait Affeldt…
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Yes. You have to worry about now. Do we know that Tim and Matt will re=up with the giants? No and if they don’t we are left holding, well you know the saying.
I would build a club aimed at the next two years for sure and potentially into the future.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2011 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
McCovey Chronicles in 2017: “We could sign McCutcheon for 6 years at $30 million but we can’t because SABEAN signed Reyes back in 2012 for $18 million and can’t afford him. And Reyes can’t even play more than 60 games a season! God damnit, Sabean why do you constantly sign injury prone player to multi-year contracts and why does ownership keep on rewarding you with yet another contract extension! Why didn’t you listen to what I wrote in 2012! Stupid Snow Day Fund”
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 2, 2011 10:27 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Solid argument for never signing anyone ever.
There’s always opportunity cost.
The opportunity cost of not signing Reyes is that our offense will suck.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I don’t like long-term contracts because of all the reasons mentioned above (I like 3-4 years at the most). A lot of them tend to end badly. Especially when the player is known to be injury prone and will also cost a lot of money, money that will probably just sit around taking up payroll in 5-6 years
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 2, 2011 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
If you don’t like long-term contracts you better hope your minor league system keeps pumping out stars. Otherwise you’ll have to be happy with a team chock full of Huffs, Barmeses, and Rosses.
by BestHyperboleEver on Dec 2, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
Ideally, that would be the case and I hope the team is still spending money on scouting and the farm system. The farm system is producing players, though. Whether there’s enough good players to keep the team going is another issue.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 2, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
Investing mostly into development and complementing it with players like Huff and Ross seems like an excellent strategy.
by kingofthacove on Dec 2, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
Huff and Ross were as much because of how well Huff played in ‘10 and how well they thought Ross would be. Then there’s the fact that they made the decision to keep the World Champs together as much as possible and I can’t fault them for that. Take out the injuries and there would have been a really good chance they would have made the playoffs again.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 2, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
Huff was a reasonable signing. $11 million a year is about 2.5-3 WAR. Huff had a 4.6 WAR in 2010 so an expectation of 2.5-3 was not unreasonable.
Giants also paid a little more for a two year plus option rather than a 3 year deal.
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Are you using b or fWAR? These are not the same thing.
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I am actually using oWAR so Baseball Reference.
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He had a ridiculous 1.3 dWAR in 2010.
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Which is amazing to me
since JT Snow never got a dWAR above 0.8 and was -2.8 dWAR in his career.
He is probably one of the best defensive 1B in the modern era.
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Huff played a reasonable amount of outfield in 2010 though.
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I can’t imagine that helped him.
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Surprise!
You’d be wrong. He accumulated +4 runs at 1B and +9 in the OF.
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No wonder they want him to play in the OF
next year!
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No he wasn't.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
My understanding is that modern defensive theory is more interested in range than glovework. JT Snow was, I think, pretty clearly one of the greatest gloves at his position in my lifetime.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 2, 2011 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
one WAR in bWAR is worth more than fWAR, so $11 million/year is probably more like 2 bWAR/year.
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Even more reasonable now!
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Well, probably not, since 2 bWAR is now harder to attain than 2 fWAR.
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No I mean
the deal appears more reasonable back in 2010.
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The opportunity cost of not signing Reyes is that our offense will suck.
And Reyes is the only answer to the sucking problem.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
No, but he’s probably the Occam’s Razor answer.
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Then why have a GM at all?
Just find the most obivous superstar player and give them anything they want! Oh, wait, only the Yankees & Red Sox are allowed to do that.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
For times when Occam’s Razor does not apply.
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Which is always with the Giants. Actually, I enjoy when some of Sabean’s more wackass ideas come to sweet fruition. Like everything he did in 2010 besides signing Guillen. Sure, he probably got lucky a lot, but Reyes not being hurt all the time would also require some luck.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I think the obvious response is that Crawford not sucking is going to require more than some luck.
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How many blades on that thing?
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It has to be more than five
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Well with global warming
Stupid If Only It Would Rainy Day Fund!
Or lots of good young talent can be a) locked up by the current teams or b) injured and thus not available to be signed
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
Just for the heck of it, here’s an analysis of long-term contracts:
Key sentence:
One rule of thumb seems to be that if a team signs a young player at a skilled position to a long-term deal, it should come out ahead. However, the closer the players gets to (and then from) 30, as well as the farther he gets from the middle of the diamond, the less likely it becomes that the contract will earn equal or greater value
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 2, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
Reyes it is!
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
OT Phone talk
I know a lot of you are phone geeks and tech geeks in general. This is the 1st I’ve heard of this.
Researcher Trevor Eckhart just discovered a hidden application that records everything millions of people write, view and search for on their cellphones. It sends all of that data to a company no one’s ever heard of. And we have no idea what that company is doing with our information.
There’s a 17 minute video that’s very interesting:
http://act2.freepress.net/sign/carrier_IQ?akid=3100.9283604.-xChlC&rd=1&t=4
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
They are both mentioned. He shows the demo on his HTC (Evo?).
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
China?
Basically every piece of hardware comes from China.
I didn’t see any video in that link. Just a petition that was rather suspicious.
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By clicking on that link with your cellphone you have let the bad guys know of your existence.
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Doesn't matter
We’re all in the Matrix.
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It’s software (it’s an agent on the phone) here’s the original source video that plays in the other link (at least in my FF browser):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T17XQI_AYNo&feature=player_embedded#! (right-click me)
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
Wait, I just googled that company,
looks no different than Facebook/Google’s business model.
I’ll sign the petition when it includes Facebook and Google. Not all that big on screwing startups with good technology just because, “no one’s ever heard of (them)”
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It probably has something to do with this.
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Dodgers ownership news
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Earvin “Magic” Johnson on being part of group that is pursuing the Dodgers, over the phone a few minutes ago: “We want to win.”
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Johnson said he was called a month ago by Stan Kasten, formerly of the Braves,Hawks, and Nationals. “Stan is the key,” Johnson said.
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
The big money man in Johnson’s ownership group is Mark Walter, CEO of Guggenheim Partners, a privately held global financial services firm.
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Will Ned Colletti be his sidekick when he brings back “The Magic Hour”?
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I can see Bud going for this as it’s got star power and because Bud loves those financial types running teams (they’re smart with their money, see)
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Giants have an almost-new used "It's Magic Inside" campaign they can sell them
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AGENT NED YOU ARE THE BEST!!!!!!!
JimBowdenESPNxm JIM BOWDEN
Dodgers and Capuano closing on 2-year 10m dollar deal that could signal the end to Kuroda’s days in LA
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I hope the next Dodgers’ owner doesn’t read this, but Ned Colletti is a fucking idiot.
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Capauano
made $1.5 million last year and put up basically the same year he did in 2010!
Totally deserves a 300% raise.
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This is just so sweet
We could have saved him some time and traded him Zito.
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Doesn't matter how crappy he is
He is still going to mow down the Giants
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 2, 2011 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
I’m sure you’re joking about Sanchez, but theoretically, with Sanchez, Posey and a vision improved Sandoval, we should be much tougher against left-handed pitching. And yes, Clayton Kershaw, I’m talking to you.
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Yeah,
your right on both counts. I just read somewhere yesterday, that Sanchez was supposed to be our big bat that we add for next year. Can’t remember where I read it but it seemed to be not-sarcasm.
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Actually, seems like a decent signing to me
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Yeah. He had a good year last year, and is moving to a park that will help suppress his propensity to give up dingers.
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Yes. So? I didn’t say that it would help him MORE, it’s just a good place for him to go.
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Dude was awful away last year
.251/.303/.387 against at Citifield
.291/.345/.538 against away.
His xFIP and SIERA are good though
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Yeah, but even with Citi helping him out, he was still kind of unimpressive. I mean you are right, it’s good for him.
$5mil a year. This isn’t a Reyes contract we are talking about.
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I guess
the issue is not just this signing. It’s the collection of talent that he gathered this offseason
Ellis: $4.37 M per
Rivera: $4.5 M
Kennedy: $800K
Treanor: $1 M
Capuano: $5 m
That’s about $15 million..i.e. a Pujols or Fielder type FA.
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This is the Vlad situation all over again though.
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but the argument I would make
is that the Dodgers did not need any of those players.
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You could always be the Rockies
Have 2-3 superstars and bring in minor leaguers and scrubs to fill out your team
by Myemail21479 on Dec 2, 2011 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
Same as Dodgers
Kershaw and Kemp and the gang.
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Seriously
I’d so much rather have Capuano than Affeldt or Lopez.
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Citifield is more pitcher friendly than Dodger Stadium.
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For RHB, Dodger Stadium is pretty tough
Which is good for Capuano.
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His elbows are made of paper mache
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Which is why he only got $5 million
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Actually he got 10 million for two years
The multiyear deal is the issue for the guy who has paper mache elbows
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I know
Basically, if he pitches ~200 innings over those 2 years, this deal will have been fine. I see a lot of potential upside there.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
Good luck with that
Capuano’s age (33) isn’t as big of a concern as his lengthy injury history, as he hasn’t logged 200 innings since 2006 and has undergone two Tommy John elbow surgeries.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
200 innings total, over 2 years, is what I was talking about
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
I can find better ways to find 5 million dollars
Then 100 below average innings with high risk for injury.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Might want to reassess that "below average" part
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
True.
C.C. (lite) was above average in one year.
I'd call him average as a starter
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
Over the last two years I'd call him basically average
In terms of pitching quality.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
Capuano was worth 0.5 fWAR in 2010
and 1.6 fWAR in 2011 at CitiField.
I would go back to 2009 and 2008 but he didn’t play in the majors.
I peg him as a below average starter with injury history going forward.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
*
injury history should say significant injury risk
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
107 and 108 FIP- the last two seasons, which would be slightly below average, but it includes relievers. Calling him below average is unfair, he’s basically a league average pitcher.
Like I said, if he can throw 200 innings in the next two seasons, he’ll be worth it to the Dodgers. There’s a lot of potential for more there, and the risk is less than $5 million a season (as he’ll undoubtedly pitch some).
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
Calling him below average is not unfair!
He has been a below average pitcher for two years and the two years before that he was injured or in the minors.
AGAIN
I can MUCH better ways to spend 10 million dollars over 2 years than on an injury prone pitcher whose CEILING looks to be being average.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
1.9 WAR is technically below average
Lumping it into a nebulous below average category IS unfair, because that is still a useful player that is worth ~$10 million.
It’s generalization that serves to blur the truth.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
His fWAR was 1.6 last year not 1.9
League-average WAR rates vary. An average full-time position player is worth 2 WAR, while average bench players contribute much less (typically less than 1 WAR). Average starting pitchers also are worth around 2 WAR, while relief pitchers are considered superb if they crack 1 WAR. :
The year before that his fWAR was .05 which is WAY below average and the two years before that his fWAR was 0 because he WASNT IN THE MAJORS.
Seems pretty clear cut.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
I wasn't talking about Capuano when I said 1.9
I was talking about your general term below average.
At a rate statistic, he’s an average pitcher. Yes, he is very unlikely to hit 2 WAR in either season, but if he hits 2 WAR over the 2 years, which is very likely , he’ll easily have been worth his contract.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
A 1.0 fWAR pitcher is a below average pitcher over the course of a season
A 2.0 fWAR pitcher over two years is a below average pitcher.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
And I understand 1 WAR is technically worth 5 mil
I just think it’s pretty damn easy to find a 1 WAR pitcher at below that rate
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Specious claim at best
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
It should be thought of in bands more than an exact cutoff, for pretty obvious reasons (I hope). An average pitcher would be something like 1.5 to 2.5 WAR (1.8 to 2.2, or whatever you want) over a full season. Under that is clearly below average, over is clearly above. Anything in that range is basically average due to normal fluctuations.
When he pitches, he’s pitched at a basically average level, in terms of quality. If the Dodgers get what he put up the last two seasons, they’re in good shape. And there are reasons to think he could provide more than that as he moves farther away from his injuries.
Beyond that, maybe the signing makes no sense for the Dodgers specifically. I haven’t really paid attention to their situation so maybe this is just a waste of time. I’m just saying that’s a pretty fair deal for Capuano that has decent upside and pretty limited downside.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
This is where the apprentice out does the master
Jon Garland got $4.5 million from the Dodgers with a history of injuries and one good year with SD.
I believe Garland stated that every other team passed on him because they couldn’t get past his injuries.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Good for the Dodgers
strive to be number 1!
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
Please RDF
keep paying Agent Ned.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
A person in my office got all excited.
Said they have a rotation that matches the Giants. I told him they now have a comp to Zito.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Dec 2, 2011 11:10 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
OT West Coast College Hoops.
UNLV.
Should be ranked higher than 18.
Chace Stanback and Mike Moser, UCLOLA!
Discuss.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
It all gets ironed out in the tournament.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 2, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah,
It’s hard for me to see how a team with some legitamitely good players and a 10 point win over the No.1 team in the country and zero losses isn’t ranked at least in the top 10.
If they were St. Johns, they’d be top 10 for sure.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
Don’t pick on my alma mater! I was saving this for my autobiography, but I actually was in the men’s room in the St. John’s gym one time as a student and Lou Carnesecca came in and used the urinal right next to me. I nodded at him, and he said “Hello, son.” I was tempted to peek over and say, “so that’s why they call you Little Louie!”
Proud owner of over 20,000 comments. (most of them in the wrong place) Oh yeah, and Buster Posey
I just picked the first Big East team
that came to mind, but there’s a ton of similarity in teh two programs.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
I do think it's hilarious
that you could come up with a better starting 5 of UCLA players who left after their freshman year or de-commited on a verbal than what currently is on their roster.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
NO!
Brewers are looking for RP help.
They have Yunieski Betancourt.
It is our destiny.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
I thought he was arb and they were considering non-tender?
I see I was wrong.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
Map.
I know some of you just love maps.
Hey look what I made!
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I’m mostly excited that the mashup site even exists. Think of the possibilities!
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I love shakey-head Felipe.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 2, 2011 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
the greatest call in the history of the game.
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
by GIANT stoner on Dec 2, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
Does not like tendon.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
I was about as vocal as anybody that he would never play again let alone get a hit. I also realize he had a BAbip of .450 in his 57 PA in August and July, but still, he actually hit ok. I am also not sure you you build a remotely accurate projection for a player like DeRosa. I would have preferred that he got an asterisk…
Other than the SSS problem, he hit with almost no power. He had one xtra base hit in 57 PAs.
I agree about the projection thing. Garbage in = Garbage out. That’s why people have debates about whether Torres would be able to come back to his 2010 self or Melky is due for a fall. In some ways it’s really hard to know, I mean is Bautista going to continuing being Barry Bonds Jr., hard to say.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
IDK
But I would be mad if they spent more than league minimum on him if he came back
by Myemail21479 on Dec 2, 2011 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
OT Candy
I went to this old fashioned candy store the other day looking for candy apples to surprise my GF. I was mad when they didn’t have them. Is it just me, or do they need their candy business license removed?
So, what is a really cool gift to get my young cousins (age 8 and 11, both boys)?
Last year, I got them an air hockey table. This year, I’ve been looking at night vision goggles, but I’m not sure that ones within my price range are good enough.
Any ideas?
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
Well, they’re a lot younger, so the relationship is more similar to an uncle/nephew one.
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
No member of my extended family ever gave me such an expensive gift. You’re still a nice guy.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
:)
Thank you!
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
Sports equipment may be a good gift. Ask their parents if they need anything.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I already asked. They said something like “surprise them, you always come up with such great ideas”
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
Setting the bar high, really sucks.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Translation: ‘surprise them, you always spend much more than we are comfortable asking for’
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 2, 2011 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
Those aren’t bad ideas. Not overly expensive, but something tangible. I always like to get them stuff that they can open up with and mess around with immediately. Thanks.
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
Are they creative?
http://www.freestylephoto.biz/6628-Blue-Sunprints-Cyanotype-Sensitized-5×7-Notecard-Kit-Pack-of-6-Cards?sc=24100
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
Are they into building stuff?
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2011 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
I tweeted that earlier
Dream haunting. I will never not think that one of those is under my covers.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
We bug lovers hear a lot of people who think insects are inferior in some way because of their size, so it was great to see such a big insect.
They’re inferior because GET IT THE FUCK AWAY FROM ME.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
It’s ok, guys. My understanding is that they mostly only come out a night. Mostly.
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
So, when you’re asleep and can’t defend yourself.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 2, 2011 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
Darren Ford has apparently been traded to the Mariners
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
For Felix Hernandez, I hope.
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
That’ll free up some money for Reyes
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 2, 2011 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
No, for Yorvit Torrealba
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
This will solve all of their offensive issues!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 2, 2011 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
Marty Lurie sheds a tear.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 2, 2011 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
Source?
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Literally:
A tweet from his little sister that’s spreading around.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Hahaha interesting
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
I don't have twitter
But you mean the tweet is spreading around, right?
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
My grammar was fine
If I’d said “who’s”, there’d be room for confusion.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Obligatory
I bet that deal was a steal for them!
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
NO MORE TENDER MOMENTS IN THE DUGOUT!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 2, 2011 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
What will the Argyled One say about this?
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Well, that was fast.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 2, 2011 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
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