The Giants' Weird Public Relations Strategy
Free agent season is about hope. Unabashed, unrealistic hopes that your team gets to keep all of the players and prospects that you like, and that they get to add better players on top of the pile by writing oversized novelty checks that don't come out of your bank account.
Right now, within the constructs of the system that Major League Baseball has in place, the San Francisco Giants can get Albert Pujols. They can just walk over to him, hand him some pieces of paper with words and stuff on them, and Albert Pujols could be on the San Francisco Giants. All the Giants need to do is put the right permutation of words down on a piece of paper. Sounds painless.
There's a hope spectrum. And no one looks at the dark realities at the bottom of the spectrum at the start of the offseason. They're all dreaming about the top. Here's what the scouts are saying about Yoenis Cespedes:
He's like Barry Bonds crossed with Ichiro, riding on a wyvern. On the 20-to-80 scouting scale of shooting lasers from your nipples, he's at an 85, which is unheard of. He is probably going to pass Pete Rose in hits. And in his second season, he could be even better.
Here's everyone's chance to get an Evan Longoria talent for Evan Longoria money -- Cespedes is a 26-year-old five-tool talent who isn't going to get premium money because he's "an unknown" and "unproven" and "might swing like Aaron Rowand at every slider that breaks more than two inches." The little things.
But those things are easily ignored if you're mainlining free-agent hope. Not saying the Giants should sign Cespedes, necessarily, but he's an example of how we can make the Giants' offense better in our heads.
The Giants have an interesting strategy, then. It looks like this:
- Proclaim that every free agent you've heard of is too expensive
- That one too
- Completely dismiss any hope of upgrading the offense through free agency
- Raise ticket prices?
I feel bad about freaking out over Willie Bloomquist now. He was a Scott Boras client, and Jon Heyman always seems to have those Boras rumors. There was no reason to freak out just yet about a stray rumor. It was just the perfect rumor for the perfect time. All we've heard is how the Giants aren't going to sign anyone of value. Then someone not of value comes along, and he's attached to the Giants. Just too perfect.
When your fans expect Willie Bloomquist to be the big acquisition of the offseason, it's time to sit back and say, huh. That's really what we're doing. That's really the PR plan. Those are the expectations we're giving. Wait a sec.
The team was really proud of that sellout streak. Well over three million fans! And what's this?
I'll take six. Here, let me pop my trunk.
But when it comes to free agents? Well, one guy might leave next year, and he's going to make a few million more per year than the Aaron Rowand contract that's coming off the books. And then another guy might leave the year after that, and he's going to make something close to the Barry Zito contract that's coming off the books. Therefore, ergo post ex caveat per prompter hoc diem et al, the Giants can't afford to sign players who might help them win now.
Is slamming them for keeping to a $120M/$130M budget fair? That's still a lot of money. I'll admit, I don't sit in board meetings with the Giants' investors. I don't see the numbers. It's not like the powers-that-be came up with a 10-year plan for the Giants one night and wrote it on a cocktail napkin. They've put a lot of thought into their plans. It's a business, not a public trust. Well, maybe metaphorically. But the long-term planning might be a deftly constructed piece of strategy that's all things to all people -- a way to be a large-market payroll and a talented, profitable team at the same time.
But it looks cheap right now. It looks frugal. It looks like a team that wasn't impressed with the playoff/World Series windfall, so they'll just hedge their bets and coast for a bit. It's a weird response to the area going nuts for the Giants. The area has never been like this for the Giants -- certainly not when they were at Candlestick, but not even in 2000, when the park opened, or 2002, when something else happened. Maybe it was because of the disappointment that those seasons ended with, and maybe it's because Lincecum, Posey, et al really are cuddlier than the last faces of the franchise. Don't know. But I do know that the area is nutsy for the Giants right now.
They picked the right time to move into a new ballpark and win it all. Think about what the sports dynamics around here looked like in 1995. Wasn't that long ago. It was Niners, Niners, Niners, Niners, Niners, Warriors, Sharks, Niners, Earthquakes, Giants. There was probably room for Santa Clara and San Jose State in front of the Giants. Now the Giants are the team of the Bay Area.
The extent is debatable; the claim isn't. Eighty-one quasi-sellouts? A huge cable deal with great ratings? A championship? The Niners sucked at just the right time. It was perfectly timed for the Giants to jump ahead. But, say, look who's good again ….
It's a weird time to start throwing cold water on the fans, and it started with the deposing of Neukom. And this isn't a rant to say that the Giants should go out and get Pujols. This is a rant to say: please, lie to us. Say, you know, maybe we'll kick the tires on Reyes. And when Reyes doesn't sign, then come out with the Lincecum/Cain excuses for why you couldn't top the offer. Float a rumor that you offered Fielder $120 million if you know that he has a $140 million offer on the table. Pretend. Lie to us. Please. Act like a team that can spend money in response to fans spending money on you.
The insta-wet blanket strategy is weird, just weird.
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Does "pop my trunk"
mean what I think it means?
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I read it as “poop my trunk”.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by KTJ on Nov 9, 2011 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
I know I have a trunk. Isn’t yours a trunk? Mine’s sequoia-sized tree trunk.
by Nicholas Miller on Nov 9, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
They are sandbagging for agents.
Reyes AND Fielder are on their way here to sign.
lolu
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 9, 2011 9:47 AM PST up reply actions
and Fielder role will be to
pinch hit, DH interleague games, and give Pujols some days off
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/books it
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 9, 2011 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
PR discipline has never been Sabean or the Giants strong suit
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
“I am not an idiot.”
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Sabean has mild Aspergers. His strategy is cold, hard Sheldon Cooperism.
by Every6thDay on Nov 9, 2011 9:59 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
When Sabean found out that Willie Bloomquist was married as recently as 1998, he pulled the plug on that shit.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 10:04 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know about that
I for one think that telling us that every prospect to come up through the system actually sucks is a great way to build their confidence.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Except for the ones that don't.
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Remember when Buster Posey couldn’t catch at all? They’re still telling us that Brandon Belt is terrible; note Sabean’s comments on the radio broadcast on the last day of the season.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
He never said Velez sucked, did he?
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Or Burriss! I’ve only ever heard good things about Burriss. And Ford!
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
Cornerstone!
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Madison Bumgarner contracted laziness from matrimony.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
and
sisteris mortalus.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 9, 2011 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
1) I don’t believe that Sabean ever said Posey couldn’t catch. He said he needed more time working with pitchers (which I believe Steve Decker talked about)
2) I don’t he said Belt sucked…he just said that they’re rushing players to the MLBs.
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Posey: http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-09-08/sports/23994473_1_buster-posey-playoff-drought-steve-decker
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They aggressively downplayed all of these prospects to the public when no such thing was necessary, some more heinously than others.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
I mean, if we want to get into a technicality contest of who said what specific word and who is exaggerating what in this conversation, okay. El Person’s meaning is clearly that the team took an unnecessarily negative public stance on these players. And I don’t know how that can be argued with.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
I do not see how any one of those things are “negative”
1) Buster was 23 and was a converted catcher in college. How is we are sending him to AAA to work on some things and do not want to rush him negative?
2) How is we are putting too much expectation on a 23 year kid who completely altered his batting stance one year earlier.
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When Buster was in AAA and mashing Sabean said that all the pitchers worth while were in AA, so indirectly saying Posey wasn’t good. This is also when MadBum was in AAA, so that also indirectly said MadBum wasn’t good.
He didn’t NEED to say any of that. All he needed to say was “it’s not the right time to bring Posey up, we think he’d do better with more time in AAA.”
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
Even with Madbum, he said:
“It’s this simple: He was preoccupied this winter and it cost him,” Sabean said. "He had personal stuff to straighten out, getting married, and he was ill-prepared to come into spring training. I don’t know how much he threw to get ready.
“Some of it is our fault because we didn’t track him as well as maybe we should. We’ve got to do a better job eyeballing that.”
“To compete as a major league pitcher, you can’t be in catch-up mode,” Sabean said. “He’s still in the throes of that. He’s still in spring training mode, and Triple-A is not forgiving. The (Pacific Coast League) is a hitter’s league, it always has been, and if you make mistakes you won’t be forgiven.”
“Because of how he throws across his body, it’s a timing thing, like a hitter with a hitch in his swing,” Sabean said. "When he’s in sync, he’s throwing downhill. He hadn’t done that.
“Right now, he’s got three things against him: His slow start, the mechanical issues and the pressures of Triple-A. But he’s a good athlete and a good talent and he’ll figure it out.”
Sabean said the organization remains high on Bumgarner because of the way he buzzed through the low minors.
“Oh, you have to be,” Sabean said. “In a lot of ways, this will be good for him. It’ll toughen him up and teach him some humility, and teach him how you approach the job on a year-round basis.”
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There are two sentences in that entire blurb that aren’t clearly negative.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
It’s this simple: He was preoccupied this winter and it cost him," Sabean said. "He had personal stuff to straighten out, getting married, and he was ill-prepared to come into spring training. I don’t know how much he threw to get ready.
"Some of it is our fault because we didn’t track him as well as maybe we should. We’ve got to do a better job eyeballing that.
I mean, honestly: What the fuck? What in the honest fuck is that?
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
How is this different than
Us talking about how Panda got lazy and fat after 2009?
Panda being affected by his divorce in 2010?
Or Huff failed to show up ready to go this year?
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So, a history of ragging on players for various reasons, of any and all age/experience, for any type of reason that might explain poor performances, usually after the bad performance (in the case of guys already on the 25-man) and usually before any sort of major league performance for highly touted rookies not yet called up.
When it’s coming from the team, why does it have to be different? Are those not still deplorable ways to speak about your employees to the public?
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure MadBum and Posey don’t care what we McCer’s say.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
When it’s coming from the team, why does it have to be different?
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
Wow
I had forgotten just how obnoxious Sabean was about Bumgarner.
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Welcome to my new adopted Giant, Carlos Beltran. Well, actually, you're more like a foreign exchange student staying at my house for the summer. Regardless, win us a world series! ...ormaybe a game or two.
There’s a lot of unpacking involved with this… of all the things to get your panties in a bunch about regarding Sabean, this is is not at the head of the line. I mean ‘you’ in the plural sense, not in the El Personal sense.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 9, 2011 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
Mostly, Sabean’s idea of PR is to tell the fans that they’re stupid and are lunatics and don’t know what they’re talking about and they should just shut up.
Hey, maybe that’s part of why a lot of hardcore Giants fans dislike him so much! Imagine that!
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
It still amazes me that the Giants have the longest tenured GM in baseball. I’ve been griping on the internet about this guy since 2002. I griped about him after the Williams trade. Even if he was a good GM, there still have been lots of good GMs that have had their contracts not renewed in that time frame. I’m a Raiders fan so I had to come to grips with the fact that Al Davis was always going to be in charge of personnel decisions. I can accept that. Sabean retaining his job for this long, I don’t understand.
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I griped about him after the Williams trade.
Considering how much I complain about Sabean now, it’s probably surprising that I was one of the few who had a wait-and-see attitude with the Williams trade. And I was actually pretty strongly pro-Sabean until pretty much the moment of the Vlad quote. That wounded me, and then the A.J. trade broke me entirely.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
I am right in this line. His logic behind the Williams trade seemed okay. “We have a lot of needs and we are upgrading in three spots.” Then we won the division. His first five years I think were very strong. Then the rest of the league started learning how to properly evaluate players.
I think that the worst thing that ever happened for the future of the team is the best thing that happened for the past. 2010.
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by positiveuphemism on Nov 9, 2011 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
His first five years I think were very strong.
Yes, and he followed a legacy of SFG GM’s that for the most part completely sucked, except for Al Rosen. The list of good FA signings and trades outside of those guys is very short.
It got Sabes a grace period that seems long expired.
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
Serious question:
Don’t you think there’s a % of hardcore fans who dislike the GM of whoever their team is?
I don’t visit the other team sites, but when I do, it seems like whoever the GM is, he’s usually getting ripped.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Of course they do
I doubt there is anything unusual about how the Giants fans feel about their GM. It isn’t like the laws of group dynamics stop for all of the other teams in baseball.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 9, 2011 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
It’s probably pretty high.
With Sabean it does seem particularly vitriolic at times, though. And it’s gone on so long, because of the length of his tenure. And it started so quickly – with the Matt Williams trade, which was basically the first thing he ever did.
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Which is ironic because that trade worked out well
I think that trade problem made him a polarizing figure.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
I think the criticism on Sabean is especially harsh here since there are a lot of Sabermetrics people here. Sabean seems to be more of an old school scouting guy that have very opaque methodology.
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I don't know if I'd call it ironic; freaking out over that trade was pretty sensible at the time
It would be sort of like if now they traded Matt Cain for Delmon Young, Yuniesky Betancourt, and Jason Motte.
But yes, it worked out.
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The thing to remember
The coveted return piece of that trade wasn’t Kent, it was Tavarez. Sabean lucked out.
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
The biggest difference is
Non Giants fans dislike Sabean as well.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 9, 2011 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
Who cares
do they dislike him for what does for the Giants?
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I think the answer to that is yes.
They dislike him, as in they think he’s a terrible GM.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 9, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
Well
then they should love him. Cuz Giants fans love Colletti.
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To be fair, there are pretty damn many fans who are stupid and/or lunatics out there.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 9, 2011 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
Act like a team that can spend money in response to fans spending money on you.
Thank you for this.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
by bgunn on Nov 9, 2011 9:38 AM PST reply actions 11 recs
I don’t really care how they “act” I’m only concerned with the team they put on the field come April. Watching the gnashing of teeth and clutching of pearls around these parts with each and every bullshit tweet is pretty hilarious though.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 9, 2011 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
This
How much mileage did we get out of a lame rumor about Willie Bloomquist?
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I much prefer it though
Worrying about bad things that won’t happen, as opposed to praying for good things that won’t either.
I just expect the worst, hope for the best, and enjoy the panic and rage around me.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
McC: Come for the rumors, stay for the panic and rage!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 9, 2011 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
It's funny, but...
…I wish people at least acknowledge the difference when they’re calling Sabean a complete moron for something he’s likely never considered.
There’s plenty of real actions to judge him on and I respect differing opinions, but it’s not quite fair to call him an idiot because Heyman talks out his butt.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
by Goofus on Nov 9, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Paean to Goofus
At least from my placid, geriatric point of view, Goofus is the most sensible person on this site, with virtually absolute consistency. He contemplates with a milky (not “melky”) temper that I envy, the ventings and rantings of a whole host of people on this site who have never been accountable to shareholders or fans, who never have met a major league baseball player except at an autograph session, who never have tried to cope with young millionaires, and who nonetheless pretend to know enough to call the Giants’ FO morons not only for what they do and don’t do, but also for what they are claimed by tweet to be about to do or not to do. I never know whether those people think of snideness as a general salve for injuries done to them by the world generally and the conspirators at Willie Mays Plaza in particular, or if their taste for Schadenfreude is so great that it extends to Freude at their own Schaden. Goofus has always, in my reading of his comments, been free of all these (to me) vices, and has been able to point them out with concision, mildness, and savvy. There are some of us, I suspect a great many of us, who welcome this and him.
the ventings and rantings of a whole host of people on this site who have never been accountable to shareholders or fans, who never have met a major league baseball player except at an autograph session, who never have tried to cope with young millionaires
There should be a vetting process that weeds those without the above qualifications from opining.
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Well, it is the internet.
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by jhiat00 on Nov 9, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
But unlike a lot of anonymous internet forums...
…I think most agree MCC is also a community
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
I agree but we still have the hyperbole.
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NO WE DON'T!!1!!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 9, 2011 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
while I applaud the tribute to Goofus
…this, itself, is pretty damned snide:
I never know whether those people think of snideness as a general salve for injuries done to them by the world generally and the conspirators at Willie Mays Plaza in particular, or if their taste for Schadenfreude is so great that it extends to Freude at their own Schaden.
Physician, heal thyself, etc.
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HIS NAME IS SPELLED SCHIERHOLTZ
[Poorly Wrought THING] is what Brian Sabean would have made if he were a [THING-maker] instead of a MLB GM
to point them out with concision, mildness, and savvy.
/grabs crotch with concision, mildness, and savvy
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 9, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
I would certainly hope anyone who grabs his crotch to do so mildly and with savvy—concision, maybe not so much.
what about "precision"?
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Your meritous opinion has been noted
/Hoot
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 9, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
If this post implies that no one outside an organization can ever know enough to call a move made by a GM moronic
It is incorrect.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I look at it as more of an attempt to shape discussion rather than contribute to it
But I harbor no ill will. To each their own.
/shrug
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 9, 2011 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
I look forward to this becoming a McC meme.
by free f.p. #14 on Nov 9, 2011 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
Goofus be with you.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
What Would Goofus Do?
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#classyGoofus
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Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Goofus looks like a chubbier version of me at eight years old. That is definitely how I acted then. Well… and how I act now, too.
Nowadays we’d just prescribe Goofus ritalin and ABA therapy
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TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I perscribe a switch.
Go cut one, Goofus. And if it breaks, I’ll go cut one from the rose bushes.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 1:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
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Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
You'd think Highlights for Children
would know better than to compare apples and oranges.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 9, 2011 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
A close reading would suggest that Gallant was stuck eating an orange because the last apple was already taken. I don’t give him credit for sharing his crappy orange, though. Gallant is a registered apple hoarder. If he had the opportunity, that apple would have gone un-shared. And we don’t even know how Goofus feels about oranges. He may have given the entire thing away. Then, how would the narrative look?
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
Also, we don’t know where Goofus is when he’s bossing his friends around. There could be an emergency! There’s also no indication that he’s taking the last apple from somebody else since that room is empty!
This is a witch hunt.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
For the record
If this post implies that no one outside an organization can ever know enough to call a move made by a GM moronic
I don’t believe this to be so, but do think there is often “more to the story”, especially the initial stoy, and jumping to conclusions doesn’t do any good. The Torres and Burrell situations last year were good examples of Bochy getting crapped on for not playing them when there was more going on.
With the most recent trade, Baggs’ little essay about his observations of Sanchez over the years was very telling. To me, it gave reasons beyond the numbers why a team might give up on him and not offer him arb even if his numbers alone suggested maybe they should.
We’re all free to praise or criticize what the team does, but I don’t think we should kid ourselves that we know everything that goes into a decision.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
It sounded pretty much like Sanchez had pissed everyone off to the point the Giants weren’t going to sign him anyways and got Melky out of a bad situation. I’m not even sure in reading the article that you could say Melky was even on a Powerpoint presentation of possibly moves the Giants would make. So, in other words, that’s how I see the whole trade.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 9, 2011 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
Sure
But what goes in to a decision shouldn’t be our only basis for evaluating that decision, either.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
If I implied that, I didn't mean to
…because I certainly don’t thin that
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
DO YOU FAT IT?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I agree with you, GP. But one of the virtues of McC when discussing players, for example, is an insistence on relevant facts. Other sites with write-in contributors are, to me, typically worth reading only for sociological reasons; this one, often for rational arguments about baseball. I’d like to see the same scrupulousness about argument applied to management. That involves, doesn’t it, thinking about the various considerations that enter into a decision—I suggested some in my initial post—and trying to see why decisions and statements about them might be made. Treating someone as a moron or nut evades, or finesses, rational discussion, and that makes me think of it as a last resort. A great many posters on this site seem to differ with me about this.
I enjoy the space and freedom to do both: treat someone like a moron and have a rational argument. That’s what makes this site so appealing.
And there are some relevant facts to support the not so crazy notion that the Giants — namely, Brian Sabean — do not put as much stock in relevant facts as we who try to insist on relevant facts around here do.
But a moron by any other name
Seems to me your objections here are mostly semantic.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I don’t think it’s seriously disputable that the Giants front office is of below-average competence.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
I would dispute that
If only because I have a pretty low opinion of lots and lots of other front offices. I’d say the Giants are middle of the road.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Sabean is good at some things and lousy at others and that puts him pretty much as not great but not awful.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 9, 2011 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
Well
9 teams passed on Timmy
4 teams passed on Posey
9 teams passed on Bumgarner
We didn’t. I’d say they draft high well.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
The hiring of the scouts is done by Sabean right?
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
you obviously
don’t read the threads here. There are plenty of perspectives from Goofus’ pollyannaing to GiantPain grumping to Larsian nonsensery. It’s really fun.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 9, 2011 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
what part of
“I heartily approve of these transactions, surely grounded in solid rational analysis of unknowable facts that must exist in some galaxy” do you not understand?
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by natteringnabob on Nov 9, 2011 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
I think that the difference between Goofus and a lot of the rest of us is that he assumes that management knows what they’re doing, whereas we assume that they don’t.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Fuck. You have made me reconsider my horrible lack of trust in the FO. I will try to live up to your standards from now on.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 9, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
Goofus is the most sensible person on this site
Goofus, you’re gonna let him get away with saying that!?
by kaliber on Nov 9, 2011 1:21 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Ummm...wow
Thanks for the nice words, but I’d rather it not get all “us” and “them” or . Like I said, I appreciate the differing opinions and have had often had mine changed as a result of discussions here.
I know I VERY often end up being a Sabean/Bochy defender, but I certainly think both have their faults. I just don’t think any GM or coach is as 100% bad as some seem to assert.
P.S. You should have done this as a Fan Shot so I could promote it to a front page article. :-P
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
by Goofus on Nov 9, 2011 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
it's always refresing
when someone comes along to lecture “everyone” about things. I’m glad you and Goofus are here to share your professional baseball management experience.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 9, 2011 6:48 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe they are lying to us
and they are signing Beltran and/or Rollins/Reyes. I’d rather they lie that they’re not doing anything and then get the big fish than say they’re in the market for a big dude and get outbid for all of them.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
This
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I remember hoping this about Vladimir Guerrero.
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Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Jim] Brower, [Scott] Eyre, [Matt] Herges, [Dustin] Hermanson, [Brett] Tomko, [A.J.] Pierzynski, [Pedro] Feliz, [J.T.] Snow, [Jeffrey] Hammonds, [Dustan] Mohr and [Michael] Tucker—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Hey, maybe he was lying then, too. But if you look at the way Sabean has always acted, well…that quote fits his MO perfectly.
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WE WOULD HAVE BEEN WITHOUT TOMKO!
Pierzynski, Feliz, and Snow were the only guys who provided any value on that list. And they could have easily fit in with Guerrero.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Particularly Feliz. What year was that? Feliz couldn’t have been making much.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 9, 2011 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
$900,000 according to Fangraphs.
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Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
And oh no, if we didn’t have Pierzynski we would have had to settle for Torrealba /gasp
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 9, 2011 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
They probably would’ve done okay without Pierzynski’s value.
Also, Dustan Mohr was surprisingly good in 2004. However, Sabean was being totally dishonest including him in the list – he was making the league minimum.
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In conclusion: Brian Sabean, whatever you think of him as a GM, is kind of an asshole.
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BUT HE’S OUR ASSHOLE!
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- A. Bartlett Giamatti
On the contrary: My asshole knows when to shut its trap.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
......
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I've met him a couple times and he was nice to me
Once was in a business situation away from the ballpark and the other was a brief conversation at the yard. He’s definitely not a warm and fuzzy guy, but was not an a-hole either.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
You should have heard what he had to say about you to the press.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 9, 2011 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
I was scared when someone tried to call Bryan Srabian for me and actually dialed Brian Sabean. “NONONONONONO!”
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Nov 9, 2011 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
Brian Kasabian.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
I guess
But the idea that we would have “been without him” isn’t particularly intimidating.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Tomko’s like the Marvin Benard of pitching: when you look back at him, he wasn’t great or anything, but he was better than you thought he was.
And yeah, he was really breaking the bank with his $1.2 million salary. Definitely can’t have him AND Vlad when you’re a top 10 payroll team.
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Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
As we know
players ALWAYS go to the highest bidder. There are no other considerations.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
They definitely don’t go to a team that doesn’t offer them a contract.
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by jcb9 on Nov 9, 2011 10:02 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
I clearly remember Tomko being pretty great down the stretch in 2004.
THE SPORTS PSYCHOLOGIST TURNED HIM AROUND!!!!!!!!!!
GROUGTHINK ALERT
Tomko had ace quality stuff
Lots of movement. Huge fastball.
What a waste of talent that guy was.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 9, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
Did she
knee AJ in the groin, by any chance?
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
I was living in southern CA back then. Vin Scully would drive me crazy gushing about Tomko’s love-ly charcoal drawr-ings every time the dodgers played the Giants.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 9, 2011 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
“And here’s Randy Winn, who is of course the cousin of former big-leaguer Damon Buford.”
GROUGTHINK ALERT
Know what I just learned?
Tomko’s dad came up with the name “Cavaliers” for Cleveland’s basketball team. How about that.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
It would have been nice for Scully to bring that up, but nope, every game, yes, even the ones Tomko wasn’t pitching in, Scully would bring up the charcoal drawings.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 9, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
Friends of friends always had nice things to say about Tomko the person. Sounded like he liked playing in San Francisco too.
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BEING NICE DOESN’T MATTER
SHOW ME THE NUMBERS
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
His results never matched his stuff, to my personal consternation.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 9, 2011 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
/ prepares for tk post.
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What kills me is that he didn’t even make an offer.
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Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without reliever, reliever, reliever, reliever, league average starter, catcher we didn’t need and overpaid to get, 1st year arbitration guy who made less than 1mil , [J.T.] Snow, replacement level OF, pre-arb OF who made nothing and [Michael] Tucker—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 9, 2011 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
I never paid much attention to the “especially from an experience standpoint” part of the quote. Oh holy hell. Sweet, merciful fuck. That is an explicit statement of “we will spend money on veterans before anyone else.”
Vlad was a veteran then.
I think Sabean was saying, “the FO didn’t give me enough money” without trying to piss them off.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Since Sabean took over, the idea is to never tie up too much of the payroll on two players. So there goes Williams and there goes resigning Kent and kiss Vlad goodbye. Sabean’s point is that if they had both Bonds and Vlad on the team, they couldn’t afford anyone else (picture Lebron on the Cavs or the Colts blowing most of their cap money on Peyton). The trick, of course, is to make sure that those people they do sign are not Matt Herges but that’s what happened.
My guess is that signing Reyes and Beltran would put them in that situation- especially with Zito still sucking the team into a Giant black hole. The key, though, is the fact that it sounds like they’re going to break that rule not for a FA but to keep Cain and Lincecum
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 9, 2011 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
You know I know people get on Sabean for this
but he may have just been covering for ownership…the Giants had a $82 million payroll in 2004 …maybe they couldn’t afford Vlad.
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Couldn’t or wouldn’t?
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probably both but the Giants’ payroll stayed around $80-90 million between 2000 and 2009 so it was not like they were flushed with money.
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I’m sure they were flush with money. More so with smaller payroll checks to write.
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Here is the article I'm looking for
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/33/biz_baseball08_San-Francisco-Giants_339175.html
Giants made $1 million in 2004
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…which is pretty clearly an aberration.
$31 million in 2001, $17 million in 2002, $14 million 2003, $1 million in 2004, $7 million in 2005, $11 million in 2006, $19 million in 2007, $20 million in 2008.
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But that’s was what Sabean had to work with that year.
Also the Giants also lost money in 1998 and 1999. The Giants revenue jumped 66 million between 2000 and 2001. The money made in 2007 and 2008 was a result of Bonds coming off the books. Giants then went out and signed Zito as their “big splash”
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But that’s was what Sabean had to work with that year.
Because he was psychic? They had just made 14 mil the previous year
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 9, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
Because you make projections about your revenues and expenses.
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Right, and that is a projection, not a known certainty. And one place to look for information on your projection is the previous year. Even if they knew revenues would be down, they still made 14 million the previous year (also I would think that doing something like signing Vlad would increase your projected revenue as well).
In 2004 Vlad made 11 million. So worst case scenario, they sign him on top of all those crappy players, they lose 10 million, easily covered by the 14 million profit from the previous year. Or the 17 million from the year before. Provided they didn’t spend it all on umbrellas.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 9, 2011 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
But
1) that’s does not make them flush with money.
2) The Giants lost money in 1998 and 1999 got a huge boost in revenues in 2001 and drops in revenues in 2002 and 2003. So to expect that they would have made enough money to cover Vlad’s extra payroll is easy to say now.
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It's my understanding that
making the playoffs earns a team ~$1m per playoff home game.
A team with 2004 Bonds + Vlad + Kent and Schmidt + reasonably competitive supporting cast could have been the favorite to get into the playoffs, and to be likely to advance too. To some extent, it seems to be me to be a question of poker nerves, being willing to go all-in.
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
If Sabean played poker, I’m pretty sure he would bet the same amount no matter what the hand, or fold.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Actually
Kent was gone after 2001.
Also, I think the big issue was AJ. The Giants put way too much belief on AJ and thinking that he would put the Giants over the top.
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It was bizarro Kent that played on the 2002 team
He wore his uniform backwards and everything. It was pretty cool.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 9, 2011 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
You're reeeeally not helping your case here.
The accuracy of your basic facts is important for credibility
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 9, 2011 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
I would just like to comment on these numbers
If I average them, I get $15M/yr. If on the basis of that, I considered the Giants a perpetuity that paid just $15M per year and discounted it at an absurdly low 5% interest rate, that business would be worth $300M. Does anyone think the Giants would have sold for $300M if they’d been put up for sale in 2008? If you believe, as I do, that the actual figure would be much higher than that, (Forbes estimated $494M at around that time) then the ownership is making far more than is implied by their accounting profits. Inflation in franchise values just makes owners who cry poverty seem ridiculous to me.
by taliesin on Nov 9, 2011 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This is brimming with truth.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 9, 2011 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
Wait
but how much of the Giants’ value is based upon the relatively low cost of their stadium versus its current value.
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2011 version
Because the team decided to amortize its stadium costs over 10 years in calculating its local revenue for the league sharing pool, the Giants contribution to lower-revenue teams is going to increase significantly in 2011.
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2011/33/baseball-valuations-11_San-Francisco-Giants_339175.html
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Ownership is always changing
Inflation in franchise values just makes owners who cry poverty seem ridiculous to me.
That may apply to the orginal purchase of $100M, but with ownership changing throughout, there are those who have bought in and haven’t seen their value increase like that.
I tend to think making a ROE of 2-3% isn’t ridiculously greddy
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Also
we’re talking about paper value right? It only materialize if one sells.
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Yup
It’s like my parents buying a house for $100K in the late 70s that eventually became worth over $1 million. It hardly made them live life like the Howells, even though they were now worth over a million.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Presumably
Those who have the wealth to invest in a baseball team do not have immediate liquidity needs. If you were currently holding Apple stock that you bought two years ago people would laugh at you if you said you hadn’t made any money on it.
Someone who bought in 2008
Has already seen a 10% rise in the value of his investment. So they’ve been getting 2-3% ROE plus whatever dividend payments the club makes, which is probably at least another 2-3%. That’s by no means a fabulous return, but it would beat most other investments one could have made in 2008.
Also, increases in the franchise value occur because of winning, so holding down payroll to protect current profits is penny-wise and pound-foolish.
I agree with this post but 2 to 3 % ROE is hardly a jackpot.
I definitely agree with point no. 2 which is why I think the Giants will make at least one big move. The money that came it after the WS is too much to ignore.
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It's not 2-3%
It’s 5-6% (because they get the appreciation and also the dividend), but you’re right, it’s not a jackpot. But anybody who expects a jackpot from investing in a sports franchise is being silly. Owning a team has intrinsic value large enough that you might even expect a negative risk premium.
Most of the time the only way to make a jackpot from a sports team is if you do something like Rattner did, where you use the franchise as a Trojan horse to facilitate a big real-estate deal.
when interest rates
are in the toilet and the market is highly volatile, 5-6% is not too shabby. Especially when it can be hidden among the many loopholey deductions that MLB owners must have access to.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 9, 2011 6:54 PM PST up reply actions
I agree, but
Also, increases in the franchise value occur because of winning, so holding down payroll to protect current profits is penny-wise and pound-foolish.
I firmly believe there’s an inflection point were returns diminish despite how much spending helps the W-L.
As I was saying the other day, there weren’t that many extra seats to sell last year, or even in 2010 and the ones they could sell are the cheapest ones. At $25/seat, you’d have to sell 400,000 more tickets to cover an additional $10M in expenses. I know there’s addtional concessions, but it’s not going to make a HUGE difference.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
TV and merch
True, you can only generate so much revenue inside the park. But then why are the Cubs worth so much more than the Giants? Their attendance is lower (at least in 2011 — usually it’s about the same), and I bet their aged ballpark doesn’t provide the same level of revenue per customer as AT&T. But they have a much larger fanbase, which translates into a more valuable TV contract and more jersey sales.
Win for a few years, especially if the A’s continue to languish, and those outside-the-stadium revenues will continue to rise.
I’m sure it was much more than that after tax voodoo done by the accountants.
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this
teams will do whatever they can to convince fans etc. that they’re operating at a loss or coming out just even. If they didn’t it would be much harder to get those free stadiums or convince your fans that there’s a good reason not to go after Albert Pujols.
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Why would billionaires bother with a business that ‘only’ brings in a few million?
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anyone know what the financial makeup of the ownership group?
I know they’re all wealthy but I don’t get the sense that they’re Mark Cuban or Larry Ellison level.
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General rule should be to never listen to an owner whenever they whine about money. It’s why they all refuse to show people their books whenever a labor issue arises.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 9, 2011 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
Magowan wined about stadium debt payments all the time and had his very own Rainy Day Fund set up too in case they couldn’t pay the debt payments. A baseball stadium being repossessed would not look very good.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 9, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
$82 million was the 9th highest payroll in 2004.
In 2011, the Giants had the 8th highest payroll.
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No one would have flipped out if he'd just said "they were out of our price range"
But he implies that the reason they couldn’t get him is because they needed to pay lots of money to replacement level fluff.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
But you did still have to field a team.
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They could have fielded a team without those guys.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Sure
but then you would have no bullpen, no. 3 starter, a 1B, and backups…yes you would have had Vlad and Bonds but half of a team filled with minor leaguers.
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Those guys weren't a particularly good bullpen anyway
He wasn’t a particularly good #3 starter either.
And again, you could have taken the 3 or 4 guys on that list who were actually useful and dumped the rest and paid Guerrero.
But yes, then our mediocre bullpen might have been more mediocre.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Yes but how is anyone supposed to know which ones were good versus the ones that were bad?
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Are you serious?
It’s called player evaluation.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Really because player evaluation is usually right on the mark.
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What is your argument here?
Are you saying teams shouldn’t evaluate players?
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 9, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
No
but you can do player evaluations but that they are not always accurate.
To say that you can have taken 3 or 4 guys on the list that were good would require a crystal ball.
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My point is that you do the best you can at the time you sign them. I mean I don’t think Sabean threw names in a hat and picked out at random.
But to say that the Giants should have only signed the good ones and then signed Vlad is a lot of hindsight bias.
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I mean
what if Vlad had turned into Carl Crawford?
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Hindsight
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Why?
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Do what.
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Again
why is the argument weird? Maybe flawed but weird?
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If you’re willing to admit a flawed argument, then why can’t you accept that someone might view it as weird?
Crawford had never hit more than 19 HR in a season.
Vlad had done that a time or two by the time he was a FA.
by jimmylauderdale on Nov 9, 2011 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
Crawford's value did not primarily rely upon his HR hitting
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Well, the implication there is crazy.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Cut Vlad’s HRs in half and he was still an awesome hitter.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
So in 2003 you can’t figure out which players will be good in 2004, but you can know that you’re only going to make 1 million dollars in 2004. Interesting.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 9, 2011 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
They are estimates…Actually the Giants got really good value for the $14 million they spent in 2004 on the “scrubs”. The biggest fail was AJ…he was 0.0 and made the most money.
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So, wait… you’re exactly parroting Brian Sabean’s reasoning?
And that doesn’t worry you?
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
No
because the reality is that 1) there is a budget and 2) you need to field 25 players for the team.
Now you can spend all the budget on one guy and then field league minimal player to fill your other positions or your can take that money to pay 5 mediocre MLBers.
It’s a choice that needs to made and there is a debate as to which choice is better but either choice is defensible.
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It's a false choice
Most of those guys were making league minimum salary or close to it. I doubt any one of them were even making 8 figures.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Vlad signed for a 5/$70 million deal with the Angel or about $14 million
AJ: 3.5 million
Tucker: $1.5 million
Tomko: $1.2 million
Herges: $1.1 million
Eyres: $1 million
Hammond: $1 million
Snow: $1.5 million
Feliz: $800K
Brower: $600K
Total: $13.2 million.
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you would still need to pay for those spots with replacement player, even if you use minimum, so you gotta subtract 3.6M
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but I dont’ think you can jsut run 9 replacement players out there anyway
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Forgot about
Hermanson: 800K
So…total of $14 million.
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Actually
you would need to add 3.6 million if you sign Vlad because you still need warm bodies to fill the remaining 9 spots on the roster.
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He meant subtract from the "others" pay.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
I see
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Vlad made 11 million in 2004.
Remove AJ, Herges, Eyre, Hammond and you’re half way there, even after paying league minimum to replacements.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 9, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
Okay
So it would have worked out had the Giants just signed good players and not bad ones.
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Vlad was a good player.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
I agree
I’m talking about the other ones.
Again…it is a matter of whether you sign one MVP level player and play with 4 replacement players or sign 5 mediocre players.
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But with the lack of evaluation reliability
The replacement and mediocre players could have been good!
heh
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 9, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
You also have to factor in the Sabean effect.
There’s actually a decent chance that these “mediocre players” are also replacement level players.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
Sure
but that’s not what happened…AJ sucked, Snow was incredibly good, Mohr and Tomko were pretty decent,
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Again…it is a matter of whether you sign one MVP level player and play with 4 replacement players or sign 5 mediocre players.
Half of those guys ARE replacement level. And were before 2004.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 9, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
I didn’t remove just the bad ones. I removed the relievers and redundant players and Hammonds. Yes, Hammonds was bad, and yes, I could have known that in 2003. You know how? He was replacement level the last 3 years. You don’t need to pay more than league minimum to a guy who has an extended history of being the definition of replaceable.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 9, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Really
You knew that AJ was going to bad in 2004? Because he posted a 1.6 oWAR (400 PAs) in 2002, 2.2 oWAR (469 PAs), 3.9 oWAR (533 PAs) in 2004.
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When did I say that he was going to be bad? Is AJ Hammonds now? Because that’s who I said was going to be bad.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 9, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
Remove AJ, Herges, Eyre, Hammond and you’re half way there, even after paying league minimum to replacements.
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I don't see the word bad there
But I did say this
I didn’t remove just the bad ones.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 9, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
Fair enough
but the bulk of your salary removal is from AJ who made $3.5 million.
But how do you know which ones were redundant when you were signing them? I mean Mohr had a 1.6 oWAR with in 324 PAs and Snow had a 3.7 oWAR in 2004.
Also Hammonds made $1 million after getting $8.2 million from the Brewers in 2003. He posted a 0.5 oWAR in 100+ PAs after being traded to the Giants.
I would say that overall (outside of AJ)…the signing evened out to somewhat between 1.5-2.0 WAR per player.
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You know what redudant means, right?
I was referring to AJ as the redundant one because we had a serviceable catcher, and if I had to choose between starting Torrealba to save money for Vlad, or making a slight upgrade at catcher, I’d choose Yorvit every time.
Mohr made league minimum, he would definitely be kept. We had no other option at first, so of course Snow would be kept unless you had faith in Damon Minor for some reason.
I took out the relievers because they had a history of being replacement level, just like Hammonds. And really, we should remove Tucker, because if you’re signing Vlad, you’re not going to sign him.
The signings might have averaged out to that, but that doesn’t mean you couldn’t have easily extracted more value per dollar by not making some obviously frivolous/wasteful/luxurious signings.
Linden and Torcato could have done what Hammonds did (or at least 85% of what he did) for 30% of the cost. Hennessey and Correia could have filled spots in the bullpen. Would those replacements be slightly worse? Probably. But not enough so that it justifies spending the money on the other guys when you’re saying you can’t afford the nice stuff.
You make your starters good before you start to worry about .1 WAR differences in your backups and relievers.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 9, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
Again…AJ was not supposed to be a slight upgrade…he was supposed to be Buster Posey esque.
Also the issue is that the Giants could not have signed JT, Tomko, or any of the relievers had they signed Vlad. You still had sign someone unless you were going to replace them with people in their farm system.
Hammonds had 110+ PAs and was coming off of the a good
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No one thought AJ was going to be Buster-esque.
Except Sabean, obviously. But his inability to evaluate talent is sort of the reason we complain about him, no?
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 9, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
Why not
AJ was 26 and had marked improvements in the three season prior. 3.9 oWAR in 2003.
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he was 27
Also he was significantly worse than Posey in terms of walk rate, power, and defense.
His best OPS+: 115. 18 points lower than Posey’s best.
Pierzynski was never, ever, ever going to be Buster Posey.
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What’s the deal with AJ’s BABiP early in his career? How many catchers keep a 330+ BABiP?
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
yeah but he kept it up for 3 years.
Also…this is 2004 we’re talking about BABIP only existed in the mind of Bill James and Billy Beane.
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That wasn't a stab at the deal.
Just an honest question. He put up a bunch of 330+ BABiPs, then all of a sudden started putting up sub 300’s.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
His BABiP was higher on the road in 2003.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
They also could have tried Yorvit Torrealba at catcher. This was said ad nauseum on the intertubes at the time of the trade. There’s 3.5 mil minus the cost of having a young Joe Nathan in the bullpen.
Are you seriously arguing this?
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by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 9, 2011 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
It’s better to pay 1 6 WAR player than it is to pay 3 2 WAR players.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
Maybe
but what about 1 6 WAR player v. 5 1.5 WAR players?
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Depends on your farm.
But likely 1 6 WAR player cus you’d only need 4 players to put up a total of 1.6 WAR to surpass.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
But it’s such an obviously ludicrous quote. And ludicrous is being kind.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
Sure but you’re now talking about delivery which has never been Sabean’s strong suit. Going back to Grant’s original premise.
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You’re really making the case that [Jim] Brower, [Scott] Eyre, [Matt] Herges, [Dustin] Hermanson, [Brett] Tomko, [A.J.] Pierzynski, [Pedro] Feliz, [J.T.] Snow, [Jeffrey] Hammonds, [Dustan] Mohr and [Michael] Tucker couldn’t have been adequately replaced at low cost?
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
Well..considering JT Snow was a 3.2 WAR, Mohr was 1.7 WAR, Tomko was a 1.3 WAR. I would say no.
Also, it’s not like the Giants were paying those players $2-3 million a piece.
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Agreed
so was AJ’s collapse
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Not on the same magnitude
Snow hit .327/.429/.529. Before 2004, his best line ever was .281/.387/.510, and that was seven years before, when he was 29. It was a lot more plausible that Pierzynski would collapse than that that would happen.
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the dude went from a 3.9 oWAR to 0.5 according BR. That’s Huffesque
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What’s also Huffesque was Snow having his career year so late in his career.
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Those are funny looking jackets
I need thirteen. Let me back up my truck.
Now can they sign a good player?
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Pretty sure the RDF bucket is much bigger than that..
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It's weird too because spending now could in the end earn back so much money in the future
Say you go out and sign Reyes and that makes you a playoff team for the next 3 years. That kind of streak following a ws championship is enough to build a pretty forceful franchise if you’re in the right market with the right fans as we’ve seen with the phillies. A 100M dollar nowinvestment could mean extending that sellout streak for what at least 3 years? Then say you somehow manage to win another world series, that could be enough to become one of the premier franchises in baseball
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My crazy optimism
I still think the Giants are going to sign one big FA because of the success they experienced after winning the WS.
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I hope so.
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Silly you, pass the kool aid.
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It maybe koolaid
but it also makes business sense.
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Those jackets look suspiciously like hats.
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Also, suspiciously shitty for a $145 price tag.
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That’s why the PR strategy is weird…. sell them jackets disguised as hats….or retreads disguised as gritty veterans…. they’ll never notice!!
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I think your not using your imagination.
If you pretend, then anything could be a WS jacket.
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I was just stringing Latin words together to be silly.
Didn’t mean for it to actually something. Hold on.
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if we're getting all legal with our Latin
my fav:
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non legal favorite
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You said “after this and therefore because of this and others” – it was actually a clever bit of work. All it needed was a comma.
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Anybody still have one on the cardboard backing they used to come on? Those are collectable.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
INT. GRANT’S MOM’S BASEMENT – DAY
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GRANT
(horrified)
WHAT HAPPENED TO MY CARDBOARD BACKINGS?!!
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We had a pipe leak. Some of your shit got wet.
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What other basement could he be living in?
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I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
Does he ever!
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He tears open a box labeled "SON’S STUPID SHIT."
HAHAHAHAHA!
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I like the callback at the end about his shit getting wet.
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Actually (and this should end the discussion), it was the commemorative Ruben Rivera flip movie booklet. Those really don’t perform well when wet.
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C’mon, guys. You know … forget it. Just forget it.
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Those poor Steve Hosey rookie cards.
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Yes.
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I have one from the last night game ever at the Stick, when it was 70 degrees at first pitch.
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It was the first time the Giants ever beat Brown!
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Me too. Great game, that.
I was disappointed not to be able to go to the last game because I had to work, but they got crushed that game. All worked out for the best.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
but they got crushed that game
Man, so did we. Stumbling around weeping drunk on bourbon. We foolishly brought in a few bottles and after the game were intent on finishing them, offering them to anyone near by. I have the incriminating photos in a shoe box in Grant’s Mom’s basement.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 9, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
I went to the last four games.
I still refer to that guy as “Lasodra.”
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Nov 9, 2011 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres…
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
by Ott on Nov 9, 2011 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
SEMPER FIAT HOCTOR PLURIBUS
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
QFT
" This is a rant to say: please, lie to us. Say, you know, maybe we’ll kick the tires on Reyes. And when Reyes doesn’t sign, then come out with the Lincecum/Cain excuses for why you couldn’t top the offer. Float a rumor that you offered Fielder $120 million if you know that he has a $140 million offer on the table. Pretend. Lie to us. Please. Act like a team that can spend money in response to fans spending money on you.
The insta-wet blanket strategy is weird, just weird."
At least the second best thing you’ve written all offseason.
A Melky Cabrera/Willie Bloomquist offseason is so Sabean.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I don’t believe for one second that this place would suddenly be happy at the end of the offseason if Sabean were to say that he really, really tried, but couldn’t get anybody good.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Happy? No.
But it wouldn’t make you think that the Giants are just sitting on the World Series/sellout money. You might suspect it. Right now, they’re saying “We’re just sitting on the World Series/sellout money.” It’s a weird PR move.
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 9, 2011 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
I’m okay with them being honest. I also suspect they are willing to spend money in some scenarios, but fear the fallout from saying they will get a guy and then not getting him, more than they fear fallout from saying they won’t get anything and meeting that expectation.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Sabean has a motivational poster in his office with “Underpromise and overdeliver” written on it. Then, when people complain, he’s all confused because he clearly promised us absolutely nothing.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
I should note – I’m not convinced they are being honest.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
I thought of “underpromise and overdeliver.” I used to manage a guy who was so the other way, and it drove me nuts. So I get that.
But I think the reaction to the “overdelivering” of getting a premium free agent is going to be greeted with “well, you’re supposed to. You’re rich” whether the Giants under or overpromise. Whereas their current PR strategy is setting them up for fan resentment at a time where there are all sorts of ways to avoid that.
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 9, 2011 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
But I think the reaction to the "overdelivering" of getting a premium free agent is going to be greeted with "well, you’re supposed to. You’re rich" whether the Giants under or overpromise.
Ha! That is very true. I admit, it would be like nectar and ambrosia for a while if the Giants just pretended they were competing with the big teams. I just wouldn’t much like getting booted back to reality at the end of it all.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
There’s no reason that they can’t, though. This reality is of their own creation.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Well, my starting assumption is that they won’t. So the difference is only how they present that to the fans. If the discussion is over whether they should, well, yeah. They should sign good players. That’d be great.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
by Ott on Nov 9, 2011 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
How often did you hump that guy’s desk?
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
But what if their Master PR Strategy isn’t to sign a splashy free agent but to resign Timmy and Matt? I think that would make the fans (mainly the bandwagon-esque ones) happy, more so maybe than signing Reyes
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 9, 2011 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
Personally
I care about the result. If the Giants in essence stay pat, I will know where their priorities are.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Well…. they did hike up their payroll last year to keep that World Series team intact. And they are keeping it at that level for next season. I’m not sure they made more money in 2011 than in 2010. Playoff money vs. Merchandise money. Did they calculate that merchandise money into the payroll hike for last year?
Could they spend more? Probably. That’s always been an issue.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
At this point they aren’t the same people. I know I don’t know for sure, but it sure looks easy to me to say “championship-level owners” = Bill Neukom.
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
I think they have always been the same people. Magowan, Neukom & now Baer all answer to the same group that has the final say. Neukom’s ousting kinda proves that.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
I think Neukom’s ouster also implies that he had to answer to that same group because he wasn’t actually doing they wanted him to.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
We are never happy.
Except for November 1st, 2010
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I was happy the whole month of October too.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
Really? I was continually on the verge of cardiac arrest for the month of October.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I wept a lot. But I tend to do that every October.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
We only lost 4 games, those nights I was mad. There were only, something like, 5 innings in which we were losing in a series (game 3 NLDS before Conrad, game 1 WS early). So I was pretty high on life, and drunk on alcohol.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
If Sabean said that they really, really tried I wouldn’t be happy with the end result but I would be very, very relieved because I would feel that the Giants are on the right track.
or
its just PR.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Well, you’re the one who would know your own reaction, but I strongly suspect that in that scenario, a lot of MCC reactions would be more along the lines of, “Like hell, you tried!”
Which is pretty reasonable, really. Sabean doesn’t exactly have a track record of being transparent with the press. If he said he really did try, I’d probably believe him, but a big part of me would have doubts.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
I believe the front office perpetuates the "FA position players won't play here because of the yard" thing
Because it suits their purpose. Besides the whole RDF thing, this bothers me the most.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 9, 2011 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
Really. The bottom line should be simple for these very successful business people: Make intelligent moves that improves the team, therefore improving the team’s value and our investments.
A good GM would be a good place to start.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
Would it actually be a good business decision to build a team that fans expect to compete for the World Series every year & any year they don’t meet that goal they consider a disappointment?
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
The Yankees and Red Sox seem to make a fair amount of money, yes.
And I’d say that’s a fair description of their fans.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 9, 2011 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
That's what the Phillies seem to have decided.
And, atrocious personnel decisions aside, I think the Angels believe that, too.
The Philllies are having debt problems and will be a little league team in three years (well, a little league team with Howard playing first base). The Angels were like that (I’m not sure if they still are) but they don’t spend it wisely and have now been lapped by the Rangers who are a year or two away from being that kind of team
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 9, 2011 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah. The weirdest thing the FO does year in and year out is broadcast how shitty the ballpark is for hitters. “Hey hitters, this ballpark fucking sucks for you. You know Petco? It’s like that, but with water. Here’s an offer to play in this shitty park that will make you look shitty.”
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
It’s like Petco but with fans rooting for the home team.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 9, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
“Before you sign this contract I just want to reiterate how shitty this ballpark really is for hitters.”
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
by jhiat00 on Nov 9, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
It's a bay area thing
“Before you buy these tickets, I just want to reiterate how shitty this ball park really is. In fact, the whole town is shitty.”
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 9, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
THIS PLACE SUCKS DON'T COME HERE
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
The SBNation NL Cy Young award voting is here!
http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/11/9/2549314/2011-sb-nation-nl-cy-young-award
Halladay and Kershaw tie.
Giants sweep spots 6-8.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I never saw the e-mail with the ballot this year.
I personally allowed Kershaw to tie. Me. Oh god no
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 9, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
hahaha
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
In fairness to Brian Sabean (I can't believe I just typed that):
IF we’re going to give him tons o’ shit for not feeling out the offseason market and trading Dirty for Melky Cabrera in early November, when a better player/prospect could have been had a month or two later, when teams might be more desperate for a left-handed starter;
THEN we should probably hold off on gnashing our teeth about free agents the Giants won’t go after, until more of the offseason has passed and the Giants have actually failed to go after those players, rather than just implying that they won’t.
"The definition of insanity is startjng Orlando Cabrera over and over again and expecting different results"--Albert Einstein
I can be pissed if they are saying in early November that they are not even going to try and sign those players.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Didn't Baer say
“We want to be in on those conversations”?
The only thing I recall him ruling out is $20-30M/year players.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
I don't need logical reasons to be angry
The first six innings are overrated.
by apistat on Nov 9, 2011 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Logic does not exist on this blog.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Thanks to the hard work of people like you.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
by GiantPain on Nov 9, 2011 10:14 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Hodor
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
someone make a t-shirt of that.
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
by GIANT stoner on Nov 9, 2011 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
Honestly, I think that trading Sanchez at all this offseason was a bad idea. Left-handed pitching is going to be in greater demand at the trade deadline, when desperation also runs higher. That scenario would have also bought us half a season of Not-Barry-Zito-Fifth-Starter, and allowed Sanchez to actually recover his value.
Trading him at all in the offseason, to my mind, was a statement that Sabean was less concerned with value than he was with “Can’t stand that fucking guy and his pouty fucking eyes anymore.”
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
The trade shows
Giants were not going to tender to Sanchez. Teams were waiting to see if Giants were just going to let Sanchez walk.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
That doesn’t change my point. The abject need to get Sanchez off the roster at all before the season starts is the point. Unless his arm no longer exists, being concerned with value = flipping him at the trade deadline. Being concerned with “fuck that guy” = shedding him in the offseason.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
I really do not think they were going to non-tender Sanchez
That would have been a INSANELY stupid move.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
And the only way I won’t feel this way is if it turns out that Jonathan’s arm is now officially made of sun-dried putty and his value is non-recoverable.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
Noted.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 9, 2011 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t have a problem with trading Sanchez this offseason, but I would have preferred to do it after some team offered CJ Wilson 5 years and $95 million only to watch him sign elsewhere, because then they could be desperate and overpay.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
I would have also been satisfied with a deal that was obviously fleecing a desperate team for a prospects or a position of need, regardless of timing. But everything about the way the trade actually went down screamed a particular inner monologue for Sabean. Something like, PLEASE HELP ME GET RID OF SIR POUTS-A-LOT, AND IF WE CAN BURY HIS DEMURE PAGE-BOY MISTER WHIFFY AT THE SAME TIME I’M WILLING TO THROW IN PROSPECTS.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
This looks like a good place to mention this again.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Then what are we going to talk about?
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
We can talk about how the Giants ownership has to sleep outside in cardboard boxes
Because we evil fans insist that they build a competitive team.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 9, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
On an unrelated note
I just watched “Exit Through the Gift Shop” this past weekend, and the events in college football over the past few days have mashed up with the film in my mind.
I am therefore planning to start an online petition to the Penn State administration to ask them to name Banksy as their new football coach.
"The definition of insanity is startjng Orlando Cabrera over and over again and expecting different results"--Albert Einstein
I didn’t make it very far into that movie.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
Good? I thought it was fantastic.
"The definition of insanity is startjng Orlando Cabrera over and over again and expecting different results"--Albert Einstein
The first half-hour annoyed me. I thought those people were annoying.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
‘haoxumentary’
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 9, 2011 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
Good News / Scary News
It’s sort of the same thing when it comes to Brandon Crawford’s winter ball season with the Scottsdale Scorpions.
Crawford went 3-5 last night, thus improving his average to .309 and extending his hitting streak to 15 games.
The Good: Crawford is maturing into a watchable player
The Bad: Hopes for an All-Star shortstop continue to recede.
The Ugly: He’ll almost certainly start next season
The Upside: He could actually make a positive impact
The caveat: Pitching in the AFL isn’t all that good.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Players who are good enough to start in the major leagues don’t play in the AFL.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Yeah I thought it was odd he’s playing in the AFL, since he played there 2 years ago, and then didn’t play there last year.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
How else are they going to decide whether he’s ready to be the starting shortstop?
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Don't know if this got posted yet
Stolen from Grant: LOL A’s

They might need another outfielder.
by free f.p. #14 on Nov 9, 2011 10:15 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Giants: We can not afford to trade for the A's current DH
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 9, 2011 10:15 AM PST up reply actions 7 recs
The DH Rule
Ran across this the other day:
http://books.google.com/books?id=mjMDAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA1&dq=baseball%20digest%201974&pg=PA45#v=onepage&q&f=false
Flip to page 45. There are some real gems a year after DH implementation about why it’s an awful rule. Laughable now to see that they tried to make a marketing argument against it.
Believe I'll steal this for Baseball Nation at some point.
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 9, 2011 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
Hmm
I’d take their SS, 2B, and two of their starters.
And lol at the broken image on the DH.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I hear Beltran is looking for a long term Al contract
Shame he wants more than an entire year of Oakland’s salary in about three of them.
Suzuki would be a fine backup C
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Yeah
I mean that those were the guys I’d take at starter over the people we have there now.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
that would be awesome
but they’re not going to pay for that either.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 9, 2011 6:57 PM PST up reply actions
Rowand!!!
smashes his own face into the wall. he’s a gamer.
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
by GIANT stoner on Nov 9, 2011 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
that would be such a billy beane move
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
Honest question
Would you trade Brian Sabean for Mike Scioscia?
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
No
Because Scioscia would trade Posey because he doesn’t like how he plays defense.
by 49er16 on Nov 9, 2011 10:18 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
rec’d!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 9, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
Who would be our new GM?
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
While everyone's freaking out .........
the Battle of the Dogs wages on.

"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
by GIANT stoner on Nov 9, 2011 10:26 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
Yep. The shark has been cleared.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
For the record, there was an episode of Happy Days where a guy literally jumped over a shark. AND IT WAS THE BEST ONE!
/runs from room, crying
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
I love that there was an episode of Community with the subplot “Troy eats a giant cookie”
GROUGTHINK ALERT
That was a great episode
How could something that’s delicious make me sick?
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
If a shark was lying on the ground, I’m pretty sure I could jump over it.
"Man, you just can't beat a good bowl of gumbo." ~ William Nuschler Clark
Well, I’m off to Burger King.
by Royce Clayton as Miguel Tejada on Nov 9, 2011 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
Isn’t that where the phrase actually came from?
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
Oh. I’ve seen episodes of that show. It’s funny.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
YOU MUST MEMORIZE EVERY LINE AND FIND IT AS FUNNY AS THE REST OF US!
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Nov 9, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
I think it’s kind of awesome that some people thought that was my actual opinion.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
With all the Unironic Pro Melky Cabrera Arguments I’ve heard in the last few days, my brain has switched to assuming that everything is everyone’s actual opinion.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
i didn’t mean to jump the shark. just thought i’d try to ease your stress levels about Bloomquist with some laughter. tough crowd. lol.
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
by GIANT stoner on Nov 9, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
I thought it was funny. Crude, but funny. You could have also went with the fact that dogs can “reach”. (Old George Carlin routine.)
"Man, you just can't beat a good bowl of gumbo." ~ William Nuschler Clark
cool .......
thanks man. will keep that in mind for future battles. it ain’t over yet. lol!
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
by GIANT stoner on Nov 9, 2011 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
LMAO at work. Oh, man. Why do dogs do that anyway?
"Man, you just can't beat a good bowl of gumbo." ~ William Nuschler Clark
I think it needs to be a little longer.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 9, 2011 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
twss
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
Nah, she said ‘thicker’.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 9, 2011 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
Need to fix the last frame
Are ya, not aren’t ya.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
Someone at the South China Morning Post is going to get grilled for this.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 9, 2011 10:42 AM PST reply actions
That's terrible
I completely missed that joke.
/hangs head in shame.
by free f.p. #14 on Nov 9, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
Perhaps this should be the Giants' PR strategy:
.
GIANTS SIGN BLOOMQUIST!

11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 9, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
But then again, chess isn’t really their game.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
you will have your Bloomquist and like it!
Cabrera
Sanchez
Pablo
Posey
Huff
Belt?
Nate
Bloomquist
by ThePasswordisWillieMcgee on Nov 9, 2011 10:45 AM PST reply actions
God damn 10am conference calls
fuckin up my posting game
by ThePasswordisWillieMcgee on Nov 9, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
Bloomquist leading off
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
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by Murray, Present on Nov 9, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
Is slamming them for keeping to a $120M/$130M budget fair? That’s still a lot of money. I’ll admit, I don’t sit in board meetings with the Giants’ investors. I don’t see the numbers. It’s not like the powers-that-be came up with a 10-year plan for the Giants one night and wrote it on a cocktail napkin.
If I sat in on a Giants board meeting I would say “listen up fuckers, if Costco can sell a polish dog and soda for a buck fifty you guys can do the same”.
No chance of ever happening but hey I can dream.
Pitching and defense wins championships, but oh those dingerz....
by kb2011sfg on Nov 9, 2011 10:50 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
$2 for a huge slice of pizza!
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I got two Costco dogs the other week as celebration for getting a Costco membership. The amount I saved on hot dogs that day alone probably covers the membership fee.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
What?
Costco used to sell Hebrew Nationals hotdogs. Now it’s Kirkland but still good.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
In other words, it’s still Hebrew National.
Costco’s Kirkland products are apparently really high-quality.
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I agree…Kirkland stuff is pretty darn impressive.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Kirkland must haves:
- Sea salt packaged in it’s own grinder
- Black peppercorns
- Cashews
- TP
- Paper towels
- Crushed tomatoes
And the weirdest (I’ve never seen it in the stores, but I saw it reviewed in Wine Spectator): Kirkland Chateauneuf-du-Pape. They have Rhone Valley winegrowers/makers OEMing wine for them?!
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
Kirkland has a lot of house-brand wines. I have tried the Champagne and the bourbon. The Champagne was okay, but not quite up to the Piper you can get at TJs for roughly the same price. The bourbon was disappointing. A Beam product, apparently. Not terrible or anything, but for a 7-year, disappointing. I’ll have to try the Rhone red. How much is it?
The blog I linked to said $20.00 for the 2009 (which is a great vintage in the Rhone). I think the review I saw had it at $30.00, but I could be misremembering.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
Kirkland bourbon is made by Makers Mark
so Ive heard
Pitching and defense wins championships, but oh those dingerz....
And big, too.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
I just started reading 11-22-63
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 9, 2011 10:55 AM PST reply actions
Its incredibly violent. A sensational book though, I thoroughly enjoyed it.
by free f.p. #14 on Nov 9, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
WHEE THE JUDGE
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You just got Cormac McCarthy’d.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
PUNCTUATION IS FOR SUCKERS I LOVE IT
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Stephen King + historical fiction + dash of alternate history = on my reading list.
Let us know how it is?
by free f.p. #14 on Nov 9, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
Since part of it takes place in Derry
I am keeping my eye out for Pennywise references.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 9, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Well that was before I was born, so I wouldn’t say you just started reading.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 9, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
I'm reading The People's History of the United States.
It’s pretty good. Fucked up but good.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
A very important book, IMO, and there was a television special on it last year that I still haven’t seen.
/chills champagne
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 9, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
I’ll have to check that out.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
They made a soundtrack too which I know because Rich Robinson (Black Crowes) covered Bob Dylan which in my musical universe is a chocolate in peanut butter type thing.
Rich Robinson/Dylan LeBlanc this Saturday at DuNord if anyone wants to stalk me.
;-)
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 9, 2011 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks for sharing!
That looks really good.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
No?
What makes it not serious?
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Essentially, he tries too hard to construct a narrative
One description I’ve heard of it is “history as emotionalist-sentimental porn”; basically, a good deal is sacrificed in the attempt to make a political statement. I generally agree with Zinn politically, and I like a lot of the points that he makes, but it’s hardly academically rigorous, and too often it’s passed off as such.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
a good deal is sacrificed in the attempt to make a political statement
What is sacrificed and what is the statement he is making?
He even says in the book that he isn’t trying to write a comprehensive history book. Only that he is looking to highlight disturbing facts that often get nary a mention in Serious history books. To spend 25 pages highlighting the great conquests/accomplishments of a person or group only to mention in passing that ‘some other, forgotten people got hurt’ hardly seems academically rigorous.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Just started reading Top Secret America, based on the Washington Post features from last year.
by non sequitur on Nov 9, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
I loved those features.
I’ll have to add that to my wish list.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Yeah, those features were pretty damn.
There are color photos in the book. Shiny!
by non sequitur on Nov 9, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
I’m reading Drinking Coffee Elsewhere, slowly, because it’s not assigned.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
IMMINENT ASTEROID COLLISION SIRENS
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Obama about to announce New World Order
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Internet flies into panic due to rumors on baseball blog
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Be sure to
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
BREAKING NEWS! OBAMA ANNOUNCES THAT HE WILL OPEN FOR NEW ORDER!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 9, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
GANGSTA RAP IN THE WHITE HOUSE OH NOEZ
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OBAMA ANNOUNCES HE WILL OPEN FOR EXTENDED HOLIDAY HOURS
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
OBAMA EXTENDS HOURS TO WAGE WAR UPON CHRISTMAS
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 9, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
OBAMA USES PREDATOR DRONES TO BLOW SANTA OUT OF THE SKY
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 9, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
SECDEF PANETTA CALLS DRONE STRIKE "UNFORTUNATE ACCIDENT"
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
OBAMA DETAINS SANTA CLAUS; SENDS HIM TO GUANTANAMO
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
by GIANT stoner on Nov 9, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
OBAMA IS JUST ANOTHER BUSH
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WOLF IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING; OBAMA REVEALS TRUE SELF
First word out of Bush’s mouth: “Gotchya!”
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
by GIANT stoner on Nov 9, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
STEVEN THOMMA TO THE GIANTS FOR CAREN BOHAN AND DOUG MILLS!
Pitching and defense wins championships, but oh those dingerz....
OT: Going to the Stanford game this Sat.
what are the tailgating/pre-partying options available?
by ThePasswordisWillieMcgee on Nov 9, 2011 11:04 AM PST reply actions
They sip Romanee Conti and burn federal dollars in a bonfire
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While stashing the gold elsewhere. It’s true.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Illuminati.
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They are on to us!
THE EAGLE POOPS AT MIDNIGHT! I REPEAT, THE EAGLE POOPS AT MIDNIGHT!
/secret handshake
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 9, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
All you Cal fans are right
tailgating options limited… fans too busy admiring our bright, shiny axe. Oh, and dreaming of a possible BCS national title berth.
(Seriously, though, plenty of tailgating spots in the lots around the stadium. Particularly on the stadium’s east side, IIRC)
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 9, 2011 11:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
CALVIN PEEING!
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 9, 2011 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
It’s too bad your z key is broken.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 9, 2011 6:59 PM PST up reply actions
LOL TIDE
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 9, 2011 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
Condolences.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 9, 2011 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
It is an old southern tradition that not everyone still follows. i wore a tie when I was a freshman, but that was it.
Interesting.
I’m not much of a college football buff, and thanks for answering my question.
Nice Unknown Hinson avatar, btw.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 9, 2011 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
Anyone going to Yoshi's tonight?
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 9, 2011 11:05 AM PST reply actions
We’re going out for a fancy dinner @ 6:15. Might check it out afterwards, but it could turn into an expensive outing. $45.00 (though for a great cause and tax deductible to some extent) before a bottle of desert.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
I just grabbed a pair of GA tickets, should be interesting. I’ll take some photos and photoshop Carlos Beltran into them…just so we have some stuff to freak out about tomorrow!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 9, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
Remember that time when Sabean said on KNBR
The Zito contract will not negatively impact their ability to sign future free agents?
Can someone please remind him of that?
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
This gets better and better
http://scott-miller.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6270335/33205108
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
Breaking
Breaking News Alert
The New York Times
Wednesday, November 9, 2011 – 1:59 PM EST
Eddie Murphy Drops Out of Oscars Telecast
Eddie Murphy is dropping out as the host of the Oscars telecast, the Academy of Motion Pictures Arts and Sciences said Wednesday, less than 24 hours after the show’s producer Brett Ratner stepped aside amid a storm of criticism over his use of an anti-gay slur over the weekend.
The hasty departures represented an embarrassing collapse of the Academy’s plans for the Oscar presentation and left it with just over three months to fill key roles for one of the most elaborately staged television shows of the year.
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
get Jim Carey to fill the roster.
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
by GIANT stoner on Nov 9, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
Good. The Oscars shouldn’t try to be hip. It needs to be flamboyant and excessive and glamorous.
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It needs to not exist.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
They should all just fuck on stage.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 9, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
While Madeline Albright holds a banner that reads “CHAMPAGNE ROOM.” It’s great performance art.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
by TheLetter2 on Nov 9, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
HAHAHA
Awesome!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 9, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
new co hosts announced
Joy Behar and Glenn Beck
Pitching and defense wins championships, but oh those dingerz....
MUDWRESTLING
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 9, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
The Jon Heyman has got me thinking
Who is a “reliable” source for trades:
I think Peter Gammons is the gold standard but he usually does not “break” stories.
Heyman does well with Boras’ players but that’s it.
Who is good?
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Jamee Sire
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I hear she's a great source of a lot of things.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
LoL
Heyman does well with Boars’ players?
Heyman is a schill.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Can someone explain the Willie Bloomquist signing to me?
The guy is the definition of league replacement.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
And what's the deal with airline food?
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Grape Nuts
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What the hell is malt, anyway?
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It’s an actual question. I don’t understand how it’s in alcohol and in Ovaltine, and what a malted is.
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Wiki
Malted milk is a powdered food product made from a mixture of malted barley, wheat flour, and whole milk, which is evaporated until it forms a powder.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Wiki Gonzalez knows a lot about grain.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 9, 2011 7:00 PM PST up reply actions
Malted grain is a step in the maturation process. You take grain and you allow it to sprout a little bit, which releases enzymes and flavors and shit.
WHY IS MELKY
Mayor of Smug.
This is why I ask people instead of looking up WIkipedia.
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Yeah. Basically, in the alcohol making process, the sugars in the grain are not available for fermentation until you malt the grain. That’s why a lot of beers have corn and extra grains and stuff added to them for flavor and texture, but don’t end up as alcohol.
WHY IS MELKY
Mayor of Smug.
Do you really have to ask?
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
If it doesn’t, you’re trying to pick up the wrong woman, anyway.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Nov 9, 2011 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
I like Horlicks more.
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2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
which
I just realized is an awfully vulgar name for a kids drink.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Oh, thanks!
Now I have to dump my jar of Horlick’s and buy some Ovaltine.
by mrs. owlcroft on Nov 9, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
It’s always better to hire a pro.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 9, 2011 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
When the Diamondbacks saw how quickly the Giants were moving to put their roster in order, they realized they needed to start locking up their own guys, and fast.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
OT Zombie politics
HuffPostPol HuffPost Politics
Dead Michigan mayor wins election: huff.to/sQiCl4
Pitching and defense wins championships, but oh those dingerz....
How did he run?
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It was more of a stumble.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Unless he was one of those newfangled fast zombies.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 9, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
THEY HAVE THOSE NOW?!
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
survival of the fittest works for zombies too
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
But they don’t really procreate, at least not in the typical way. Unless their fast zombiness is passed on through their bite.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 9, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
that's nothing
my state elected a dead man to the US Senate. (and we have that to thank, indirectly, for John Ashcroft’s stint as Attorney General)
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 9, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
Well if the dead of Chicago can vote for the living, why can’t the living of Detroit vote for the dead?
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 9, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
What do John Ashcroft and Don Young have in common?
They both lost elections to dead people.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
This should cause no problems between parents and children
Atlas Sports Genetics Helps Determine Best Sport For Kids
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2011/11/08/atlas-sports-genetics-helps-determine-best-sport-for-kids/
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2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
My flight to Washington Dulles is 491 dollars
And they want 800 bucks for Boise, Id. WTF.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
united
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
I paid about $400 to go to Boise for Turkey Day, on Southwest. I haven’t flown anything but Southwest for a while.
by non sequitur on Nov 9, 2011 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
It costs $1100 to get from Oakland to Eugene.
MOON LANDING? BEAR GRYLLS!
by Anonymous1337 on Nov 9, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
Gah
Dude, look at Allegiant. They have dirt cheap flights. Flight to Eugene + rental car + hotel in Portland split four ways was $110/person for a long weekend.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Nov 9, 2011 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
yikes
jeremyscahill jeremy scahill
why does MSNBC refer to the Penn State Child Rape/Molestation horror as a “sex scandal?”
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I had this same struggle over wording when I was writing a billboard earlier this week.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Hopefully you didn’t land on ‘sex scandal’.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
That was my first draft. I eventually went with something else before I recorded it.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Is ‘rape’ or ‘molestation’ too blunt? Because those describe it perfectly IMO.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I wasn’t sure what the actual charge was, and I certainly didn’t want to mischaracterize it (disclosure: a listener did take me to task for referring to the DSK affair as a “sex scandal” instead of a rape allegation). Obviously, I wanted to get it right without presuming to act as a legal expert. I finally went with, “allegations of pedophilia,” which I think is correct.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
PEDO RAPE HORROR COVERUP
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And thus began my meteoric rise at the New York Post.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
You need to tie it in to the missing DA who failed to prosecute Sandusky in 1998.
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PED CAUGHT ON ATHLETE
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Speaking of the NYP
I was reading this story about the investigation and eventual arrest Najibullah Zazi, a Denver man suspected of conspiring to commit a suicide attack on the NY subway. Anyway, near the end of the article it was revealed that a New York Post reporter called Zazi on his home phone to inform him the FBI was on their way to arrest him.
A member of the American media called a suspected suicide bomber to warn him he was about to be arrested.
by free f.p. #14 on Nov 9, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
Is this one of those plots where the FBI came up with a plot, suckered an idiot into going along, and then busted him?
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
On a not unrelated note, the J. Edgar Hoover movie is out in LA and NY.
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I’m not sure if I want to see that. I mean the guy was basically a monster right?
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
It does not seem so
He seems to have been a real terrorist, if his wikipedia page is to be believed. (Trained in Pakistan by al-Qaeda.)
There has been a lot of hype about these “aspirational” terrorists lately, though, most recently the “plot” to blow up the Saudi ambassador.
I can see how one would want to be as accurate as possible.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Right. You don’t want to sensationalize the event, nor do you want to minimize it. It’s tough to get it right.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
You’ll never make it in the 24 hour news cycle if you can’t learn to sensationalize.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Or cry angrily in public.
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I just want to have a dignified career and retire to run a nice Big Sur B&B with Ceej.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
I thought you were going to be a staff weatherperson for MLB.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
But you’ll hate the drive to and from civilization!
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Okay, okay. A used bookstore in Mill Valley.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
If you want to avoid all the cosmetic surgery you’ll need to compete in Mill Valley, there’s always Fairfax.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 9, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
That does it. Surf shop in Huntington Beach, and I’ll hear no more about it.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Yeah, It’s where C.J. is from, so he may want to settle there.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
He isn’t. He’s just beautiful.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Oh, I agree. I just made the stupid assumption that your fantasy boytoy would be a galoot. Sorry.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
You can’t always be the one to give in. He needs to make some compromises too.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 9, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
OMG take me with you
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
You should be our wacky upstairs neighbor.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
the guy who wears the army jacket and the board shorts
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
And you always show up at our Thanksgiving dinners. Some days will end with the three of us talking about what we learned that day as we sit on a low concrete wall, watching the sun set.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Waiting for the green flash.
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
I’m holding out hope for the red lantern.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
So if he gets out of jail he has to register as a Sex Scandal registrant?
Pitching and defense wins championships, but oh those dingerz....
Hopefully they get just enough flak and backlash about this to be smarter the next time around/in the future of this story.
The San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
I'M A GIRL
by Prussian Creole on Nov 9, 2011 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
Disco Herman Cain!
http://media.talkingpointsmemo.com/slideshow/2012-gopers-herman-cain/1-235835?ref=fpblg
WHY IS MELKY
Mayor of Smug.
I was going to click it but then I noticed the URL said ‘gopers’ and not ‘gropers’.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I’m just more interested in groping. Wait…maybe Cain is my man?
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Recap: There will be weather in various parts of the country today.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
and panic about Bloomquist.
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
by GIANT stoner on Nov 9, 2011 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
CARMEN SANDIEGO STARRING J.LO
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ONLY PRODUCED BY
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
STARRING SELENA GOMEZ
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
They should have the movie star somebody whose last name is also a city.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks a lot. Now I’m racking my brain. (wracking?)
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I prefer racking.
And so am I.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
Joaquin Phoenix
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Man, that guy’s versatile.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
damn that’s good. i totally forgot about her.
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
SO DID EVERYBODY ELSE
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
The best I was getting was Bryce Dallas-Howard.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
I guess both Dallas and Howard are cities, though.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
This movie is cast.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
Royce Clayton.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Juan Pierre
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
only if they had the main theme from the show.
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
by GIANT stoner on Nov 9, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
only 2 more days till Skyrim!!!
have you played MW3 yet??
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
by GIANT stoner on Nov 9, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
i need to get my hands on it .......
just waiting for the lines to die down. lol.
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
by GIANT stoner on Nov 9, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
Took me 8 seconds to buy it from Best Buy around 5 pm yesterday.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
Can you pre-order online?
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
No I mean
can you order games (like MW3) online and they ship it to you on the day of the release?
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2011/11/07
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
yeah dude ........
my friend camped overnight outside of GameStop. seriously. lol.
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
by GIANT stoner on Nov 9, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
lol
I heard BestBuy had the best way of doing it. You were allowed to buy it at 11 pm Monday, and they give you a receipt. You stand in another line, and at 12, they started handing them out to people with receipts.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
Also
don’t they have like pre-order things you can do. Like pay 10 bucks 3 weeks ahead of time and you get one guaranteed?
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
so people lining up
1) have a lack of foresight
2) didn’t have $5 bucks two weeks ago
and/or
3) are doing it because they like lining up.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
lol!
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
by GIANT stoner on Nov 9, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
Should I feel bad that I’m going to celebrate Veteran’s day by playing video games?
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
You shouldn't feel any worse than the rest of us
I need to level my FFX party a few times before I move on from the Calm Lands.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 9, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
WHY ISN'T PS3 BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE?!?
I WANT TO PLAY FFX AGAIN
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
Huh, I thought it was.
But I’ve never owned one.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I think when they came out they had different packages, and a certain Gig version had backward compatability, but not the others.
I should probably verify that before hitting post, though.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, something like that.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, the original 60 GB ones are backwards compatible.
They stopped offering that after about 2 years (around the time I got one :( )
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
not at all .......
those Veterans fought for your pursuit of happiness! enjoy!
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
by GIANT stoner on Nov 9, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
that’s cool. how about Battlefield 3?
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
by GIANT stoner on Nov 9, 2011 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
Battlefield 3 is good, not as good as BF2 or BF2142, however.
MOON LANDING? BEAR GRYLLS!
by Anonymous1337 on Nov 9, 2011 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
I’ve never really been into multiplayer shooters. I’ll play them with friends occasionally, but I prefer story-driven single player games.
I like co-op shooters.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
But not online play really.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Me too. I do like working together to pass stages though.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
And you answered my question without me asking.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
Never heard of that. I’ll have to check it out.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I don’t know. I like Zelda, Halo, and FFVII. I want to try another RPG. I don’t think FF comes out on 360 though.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
can't wait for ME3!!!!!!!!
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
by GIANT stoner on Nov 9, 2011 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
I watched my girlfriend play it and it looked cool.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Compared to the good FF titles it wasn’t up to par. Compared to a normal video game I guess it was alright. Way too linear.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
Vanille! Grab my boob!
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
It does sound cool.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Man, I keep mentally putting the title of that game in the past tense.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
once i get my hands on Skyrim .......
i’ll see you all on opening day. lol.
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
by GIANT stoner on Nov 9, 2011 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
How did you feel about multiplayer for Portal?
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
I like co-op experiences a lot more than deathmatch/competitive modes. I think because I played way too much of those in high school and college.
I just started playing Oblivion the other day. I’m a little late.
I’m just waiting for Assassin’s Creed Revelations.
Don't do what I did and level up your sneak skill too high.
Once its 75+, it’s too easy to just steal from everyone and kill things with out them touching you.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
Bil Keane past away yesterday
I enjoyed his cartoon as a kid and admire it for its simplicity.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Here's an appropriate panel from his other strip, "Channel Chuckles"

Kids, that’s a TV antenna.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
On the "not spending money on FAs" tip
Maybe it’s because Zito, Rowand, and Huff by themselves made almost the same amount of money as the entire DBacks or Padres 25-man last year, and will again next year.
Maybe the money folks were all, “Brian, we’re taking away your toys. You’ve been breaking all the ones we’ve given you lately.” (“toys” here = free agent budget)
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
If they have so little confidence in his abilities, perhaps they should reconsider continuing to employ him.
Also, as discussed above, Sabean has been using this same line for about a decade now.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
OT: Occupy ANCHORAGE
Not pictured: Me. Just saw the encampment last night, and now I have to work. Also, it’s 14F outside.
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
Carlton is a good dancer, but Hillary is kind of a ditz.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 9, 2011 7:01 PM PST up reply actions
How are you guys faring down along the coast? Is that big storm affecting you?
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
It's gonna hit tomorrow or Friday probably.
They shut down operations at GF’s mine last night, and nobody’s getting in or out for a few days. Luckily, she’s already home with me :)
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
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Job 1:14-15
Good to hear. Stay safe.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Oh, and I’ve been including some AK forecast graphics from the Weather Service with my morning weather maps.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Who’s the ballplayer face for “NATURE’S WRATH UNLEASHED”?
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
Zambrano? That guy who’s always in jail? Whatsisname…
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
'Safe' is a relative term with no snow tires and a 15 mile commute...
…but thanks :) I will try.
Too bad that if we get shut in, it won’t be during baseball season. We have to rosterbate and freak out about BS’s BS.
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
makes as much sense as Occupy Mordor ............

"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
by GIANT stoner on Nov 9, 2011 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
scrubbing bubbles!
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
I mostly agree with this. The people up here are SO subsidized by big business, it's ridiculous.
If not, it would only be the natives still. Every citizen gets a check every november, for some families, that can total $10,000.
HOWEVER…if looked at on a National scale, which is done by maybe me and the 10 people occupying 6th St., the protesting is valid.
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
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Job 1:14-15
I need to move to Alaska.
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
2011’s dividend check was about $1200 per person, but when the Pebble gold mine gets cranking, and around when I will qualify, it’ll be more like $3-4000 again.
-no sales tax
-no state income tac
-state dividend paid to residents
-add a federal return
Otherwise, nobody would live here.
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
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Job 1:14-15
My dad live in Alaska for a while
Of course, he was doing the most boring thing possible while living in Alaska: studying rocks.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
WHAT?
Rocks are awesome.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
INTERTET LINKS NPR TO CRACK
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
INTERTET OFFENSIVE BEGINS
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Atta kid. Keep it up.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
definition of dedicated.
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
by GIANT stoner on Nov 9, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
BUST OUT ON IT
ORIGINAL BANKSTER
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
occupy movement is kinda having their Altamont moment already.
Pitching and defense wins championships, but oh those dingerz....
The city of Oakland just hired the Red & White to provide security?
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
a noble cause but now everybody wants to show up cause its hip, there’s a lot of drugs and booze, girls…then shit gets bad.
Pitching and defense wins championships, but oh those dingerz....
I understand and in general terms support Occupy Wall St. as far as holding the people who engineered and profited off of the financial collapse accountable, but I am dubious about the Occupy Main Street spinoff movement.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 9, 2011 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
Yay Labor Peace
Jayson Stark and others are hearing this afternoon that some serious progress has been made in labor negotiations over the new collective bargaining agreement. There’s a decent chance that a deal could be done this week, in fact, though Stark has other sources telling him that’s a 50/50 proposition.
Of course, my counterparts at ProBasketballTalk would probably kill for 50/50 all season, let alone this week, so let us not be pessimistic.
The holdup — which is no surprise if you’ve read our stuff on the CBA for the past couple of years — is the owners’ insistence on hard slotting for draft picks. The progress seems to be coming in the from of some mechanism other than a hard draftee bonus cap that nonetheless depresses signing bonuses.
All of which seems strange to me as a sticking point. I mean, I know why the union is holding firm: it’s a principle thing on never allowing salary caps of any kind anywhere. The owners, though? Draftee bonuses get tons of headlines but they represent such a small fraction of overall payroll. Like a really, really small amount. The top pick gets what a slightly above average veteran second baseman gets over a couple of years. Seems like a strange place to make a stand.
But it doesn’t sound like the hardest stand, and it seems like labor peace is close at hand.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Wow, there’s so much posting today it’s really hard to keep up. You nerds are out of control!
The San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
I'M A GIRL
by Prussian Creole on Nov 9, 2011 12:30 PM PST reply actions
It’s the rich life we lead in our mom’s basements.
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
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by Murray, Present on Nov 9, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
Shift-A
I only read about 500 of the comments here before my eyes started to glaze over…..but… what ever happened to back loaded contracts?
Rowand is off the books when? Before Zito right? So they can’t tell a guy, look…you’re worth more than what we can afford to pay this season….but as soon as contract x is off the books you get that money… ?
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Rowand has one year left on his contract.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Zito's was backloaded.
Only made 7 mil his first year. Our situation doesn’t really make sense to backload since we have a lot of young talent that needs to be paid in a couple years.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
CJ Wilson is backloaded.
Oh, you’re talking about contracts.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 9, 2011 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
What about front loaded contracts? Pay the player more while they are still good and less when they are hurting your team!
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
That would make more sense.
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
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by Murray, Present on Nov 9, 2011 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
One good thing about the Willie Bloomquist talk
the freakout on AZ Snakepit.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
LOL
You read Grants SBN post on it yet? Great spot on analysis.
by Myemail21479 on Nov 9, 2011 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
heh
I kind of feel
like if the Giants are the other team looking to sign a bat, you should probably walk away.
Tomorrow is another day.
by soco on Nov 9, 2011 10:35 AM PST reply actions
As an aside: imagine the freakout there would’ve been if MCC existed back when the Giants gave Neifi Perez a two-year contract when he was coming off of one of the worst seasons in recent history. Would’ve been epic.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
My favorites
are those talking about the Dbacks trading Drew.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Well they have a good replacement in Bloomquist now!
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
That contract was another breaking point for me with Sabean, by the way. Oh, god, did I ever hate Neifi.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
$3.4 per year
Give me a combined 2 WAR out of those guys, and I’ll take it all day.
by venomfan on Nov 9, 2011 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
Thing is
Expecting that much WAR from aging bench players is a bit of a stretch.
Wear your own fur.
by Marc Fournier on Nov 9, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
In fact
In a combined 23 seasons between the two they total 4.6 rWAR. I don’t think a breakout year is on the horizon.
They have never combined for 2 WAR in a single season.
IT’s all out WAR!
OT:
http://news.yahoo.com/family-circus-creator-bil-keane-dies-89-175700917.html
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
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Job 1:14-15
and it wasn’t me!!!
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Is that the 3rd famous death?
Fraizer
Heavy D
Bil Keane
by Myemail21479 on Nov 9, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, I see.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
Rooney.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
I'M SORRY I CAN'T BE AS UP ON THE NEWS AS YOU CAN!!!!
I AM an hour behind all you PST elitists.
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
I’ve got your Pacific Standard Time RIGHT HERE.
/grabs crotch.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
According to this, it’s 12:00.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
3:45.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
Hang on, I may need to wind this thing.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
As long as I have TheLetter2 around, I can always keep my hands on the keyboard.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
Just think of it as a second hand.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 9, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
too bad I didn't post to MCC while I was in Trinidad
I could’ve scooped everyone!
(it’s in the Atlantic Time Zone)
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Roofers are loud
and listen to ranchera music. I think I’ll go back to work to get some peace & quiet.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I was just typing this.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 9, 2011 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
Plus a million.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
This is the universally agreed-upon correct answer.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 9, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
It is known
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
xxxxx

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
Shouldn't you have said "could" instead of "can"?
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Oops, just saw saw the comment
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
I don't mind Rosenthal
Olney is a good reporter, just not much of an analyst. Law’s great.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I giggled
The San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
I'M A GIRL
by Prussian Creole on Nov 9, 2011 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t see what the problem is with Rosenthal. He’s pretty good. Sometimes simply fantastic. Rarely unreadable, if ever.
I have absolutely no problem with this, actually.
Or Craig Sager’s suits. As long as there’s some substance. Rosenthal’s FOX reports can be really surface-y, but FOX really does kinda suck and I’m sure that’s the primary cause. Sager can do decent interviews from time to time, too.
Did he wear a bowtie before Lincecum broke his out before the World Series?
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 9, 2011 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
Wait.
I remember re-watching the WS and Rosenthal commenting on how he wasn’t wearing them first, but he might have been referring to Neukom.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
Does Sager bring substance, though?
I like Don Cherry-esque formal wear as much as the next guy, but I’ve always felt Sager used the colors to cover the pointlessness of his (and everyone’s) sideline interviews.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 9, 2011 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
Who was the douche who went after Pete Rose the one time he was allowed on the field?
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 9, 2011 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
That's it.
What an odious little man.
I mean, he made me feel bad for Pete Rose.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 9, 2011 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
Jeff Sullivan
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
I'd certainly give him 3/70 or something if he'd go for it.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
"Azmanz, why is Jose Reyes hanging out in your front yard instead of playing baseball?"
“Oh, I gave him $70 million dollars.”
“Don’t forget to grab an iPad on your way out.”
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
by jhiat00 on Nov 9, 2011 1:02 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I am also a fan of the authentic and honest approach
Set expectations. Be realistic about what is possible. Identify priorities and go about meeting them. I understand that it makes no sense to delve into details of the plan in terms of specific targets, but please have a plan to make the team better next year and beyond.
This would be fine
If history backed up the idea that they were being either authentic or honest. But they lie through their teeth all the time.
Bengie’s ship has sailed, after all.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I agree for the most part
…unless they’re using public statements to divert attention from their intentions
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Now who’s inventing stuff?
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 9, 2011 7:03 PM PST up reply actions
OT: Cespedes
Couldn’t find this the other day, but Jalal Leach just posted it. (/hoping Natto hasn’t already seen it)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kREZHmOR1bg#!
This is a laaaaawng video.
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
What are you, the DOW?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Betcha Sabean was one of them:
Two NL executives used the phrase “high-wire act” to describe (Francisco) Rodriguez. But he still averaged 9.92 strikeouts per nine innings this season, and his swing-and-miss rate was identical to his 2008 peak in Anaheim. He’s done an admirable job reinventing himself as a deception and location guy.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove11/story/_/id/7208778/seven-offseason-questions-baseball-executives
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
Jesus, this offseason already feels three months old when it’s only been three weeks.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 9, 2011 1:26 PM PST reply actions
Babby stuff.
So in trying to figure out how much the birth of our next kid is going to cost I have learned a few things:
1)The hospital, doctor, and anesthesiologist are all separate entities that bill separately.
2)None of those 3 offices are in agreement with our insurance as to what is covered
3)I am apparently incapable of learning how my insurance works
4)It is going to cost a fuck load of money
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Name it "Botatosalad."
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
When people ask if you said potatosalad, get mad and tell them how that would be a stupid name for a kid.
The first six innings are overrated.
just don't name him
Harry Wei-Lun Kok
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
You know what? You're right.
We’ll leave out the ‘Wei’.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Very true!
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
The one good thing about having Kaiser HMO
I paid nada when my daughter was born.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
When our son was born we had Aetna and paid a flat rate of something like $500. That was it. Of course, the next benefits cycle Safeway no longer offered that insurance.
The frustrating thing is that I opted for the ‘best’ thing my current job offers.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I just went to a health savings account
looks like its gonna work out pretty good
Pitching and defense wins championships, but oh those dingerz....
That's just so you'll appreciate him/her more
“It is going to cost a fuck load of money”
And not leave him/her out on the porch or something
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
That was a pretty good burrito.
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
God damn you jim. It’s not even 5 yet, and now I want to stop at my newly discovered Mexican place and get something to go.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
And now I just washed it down with a cold beer.
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
This hawaiian thing. I liked the label. Long Board something.
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
Cool. That brewery is supposed to be good. We don’t get it all the way out here.
WHY IS MELKY
Mayor of Smug.
I bought it last time and liked it. Refreshing, went well with food and by itself. Plus, novelty: Hawaiian beer!
Of course despite being very well-exposed to all sorts of cuisine from a very young age, I tend to have pedestrian tastebuds, so I can’t really comment on particular qualities. I can never taste anything in wine except wine.
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
Was this the beer you got after tweeting about wanting a beer that is refreshing and goes well with… was it citrus?
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
Yes. BUt i ended up just going simple.
Someone told me to get a lager, so I bought the one with the surfboard on it.
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
I had Gyudon with side spinach
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
And now you’re going to send me some, right?
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
I don't know you'd want it though
it is leftovers from last night. Home made, though.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
If I wasn’t willing to eat leftovers I would probably have been left to starve to death by now. My mom cooks for like 10 people at a time (for a family of 3), and I’ve picked up the habit.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
I didn’t know some people didn’t eat leftovers.
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
My best friend from elementary school wouldn’t (probably still doesn’t), and neither did her entire family except for her dad. They were weird like that.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
I have an opened can of sardines from a year ago in my fridge. It’s in a Tupperware. I’m afraid of it.
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
My husband will not cook or warm up food for himself – ever. If I serve it to him, he’ll eat it; but I can have a fridge full of leftovers and instead of warming it up, he’ll go out for a burger.
MEN
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
Whereas me and my dad have been known to eat the same thing for a week, especially if it’s a meat-based Filipino dish. Adobo every day if necessary.
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
I’ve spent the last week eating curry.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
Some things are better as leftovers. Machaca beef and chili come to mind.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Or you just gotta make it fresh everytime
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs5WiddD7i0
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
it's like that scene from eat drink man woman
when he brings a 4 course meal to school for lunch
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
I had turkey lasagna that somebody made for me.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
student with a fatal attraction?
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
Technically, it wasn’t even made for me. She made it for herself, didn’t finish the whole thing, gave the frozen leftovers to somebody I know, who didn’t eat them and gave them to me.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2011 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
You wonder if the owner saw the backlash on Twitter and decided against it.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
This may be an even worse way to run a team than giving away 4/44m contracts to relievers
The first six innings are overrated.
OT: Where are my Sharks/MCC people?
Am I wrong to find this totally adorable?
brodiebrazilCSN Brodie Brazil
Torrey Mitchell pokes head in practice rink to watch former #SJSharks teammate and roommate Devin Setoguchi.
Todd Linden = Carlos Beltran
I am the Giants' Traveling Secretary for all their trips to France ... not.
by I live in Paris and you don't on Nov 9, 2011 3:29 PM PST via mobile reply actions
The giants thought of signing Fielder to avoid the stadiums tilt toward thirdbase with Sandoval.
With Fielder at first, and Sandoval at third, we have 2/11 of the 49ers line.

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