How the Rest of the Offseason Is Looking
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 8, 2011 8:42 AM PST
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PrintMaybe my problem is that I'm stepping back too far and not evaluating the Melky trade in the context of the entire offseason. Cabrera on the team probably means no more Cody Ross or Andres Torres, and that makes a ton of sense if you just ignore everything before 2011. But stripped of context, trading a player of Jonathan Sanchez's potential with one year left on his contract for Melky Cabrera, who is in a similar situation, makes a lot of sense.
Here's where the trade can kill the Giants. From Baggs:
Source told me the Giants strongly considering B. Crawford at SS if they could improve lineup elsewhere. Melky is a move in that direction.
Oh. And Ken Rosenthal:
The team still could add to that mix, but free agent Carlos Beltran no longer looks like a fit and the GIANTS probably won’t be a serious bidder for free-agent shortstop Jose Reyes, either.
There's a chance this is it, the big move. There's no way that Sabean can stop tinkering, but there's a strong chance this is the offense, give or take an Alex Gonzalez. Here's what the Giants are hoping:
C: Posey > Whiteside/Stewart
1B: Trim Huff > Squishy Huff
2B: Freddy Sanchez > Keppinger
SS: Brandon Crawford/Other > Tejada
3B: Pablo being Pablo
LF: Belt > Burrell/Ross
CF: Melky > 2010 Torres
RF: Nate being Nate
And when you take it position-by-position, it's not that insane. There are no guarantees that Freddy can throw a baseball, or that Huff is going to desquishy, but I wouldn't say that any of those things are especially unlikely. Actually, I'd say that each of them is likely. Baseball will give you the ol' real admiral if you get too complacent, so it's not like there will be automatic improvements everywhere because we say so. But the offense should be better if the Giants stay the same.
That's only because it can't get worse. And I'm not saying that in some abstract, here's-what-I-hope kind of way. It would take deliberate sabotage for the Giants to get worse offensively. They scored 570 runs. That's fewer runs than the expansion Marlins in '93, Rays in '98, Mets in '62, Mariners in '77 ... basically, every time a team had to build an offense from the foundations up, using the squid scraps that the rest of the league left over, they fared better than the 2011 Giants.
They were 14 runs better than the franchise record for a 162-season -- the 100-loss '85 team -- so things weren't all bad!
And it wasn't just the .242/.303/.368 team line that killed them. It was their hitting with runners on base. Based on the hits they did get, the Giants should have scored 626 runs if you go by Runs Created. I'm not a stats maven, so I probably screwed that up. But the offense shouldn't have been quite that wretched. It should have been merely awful.
Now it looks like the Giants will improve because there's no other direction to go. The Posey/Whitestew swap is huge, and there's the hope that Belt will be better. Huff can't get worse and stay in the lineup, so that will improve by default.
The Giants, as is, should probably score more than the 2011 Giants, even if they don't make another move.
Here's the problem with that thinking: That is such a dismal benchmark. What a depressing bar to set.
By replacing these Twinkies deep-fried in goose fat with Twinkies sauteed in olive oil, we now have a healthier snack! Hooray!
The hitting still isn't good. And the pitching still is. There's no imagination as to what the team could be with a good offense. An average offense helped them win the World Series. Imagine a good offense. Flip that Crawford/Gonzalez/Yuni hole with Reyes. Get Beltran in there for 130 games. Now step back and look at it. So purty.
Instead, we'll get Alex Gonzalez. And Ryan Ludwick. Don't know why, but that name keeps rattling around in my head as a fourth outfielder who moves into the lineup when Belt starts the season 3-for-15. If Rosenthal is right, though, what you see right now is pretty much what you'll get. The Giants are the C- student of wealthy franchises.
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Im pretty angry about this Heyman tweet
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I thought you were being sarcastic.
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No
If the Yankees were going to give us either of betances or banuelos, I would’ve done it in a heartbeat or Nunez and some depth. Something our farm system sorely needs at this point.
SABES WIN NOW AT ALL COSTS attitude is short sighted and fucking stupid.
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Why would you think that the Yankees were going to give us either?
like Heyman said, Yankee did not think very highly of Melky.
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The Yankees weren't trying to trade for Melky.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I understand…but the question is NYY’s perceived value of Melky vs what the Yankees were willing to give up for Sanchez.
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Gardner?
If Gardner would have been part of the deal, while it doesn’t solve the CF issue, it would have solved the leadoff position. Either way, I still think we are signing Crisp.
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by Penitentiary Face on Nov 8, 2011 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
Hahahahahahaha
You’re out of your mind.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
what?
reading and believing too much of the NY media?
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by Penitentiary Face on Nov 8, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
Well, for a couple reasons.
1) Gardner would never be available for Sanchez.
2) Gardner would absolutely solve the CF issue
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
ok then, perhaps the Yankees more lucrative offer
Cashman: “Brian, seriously, Melky?”
Sabes: “Yes, we like him and if he can hit American League pitching, just think what he could do in the National League based on the Lance Berkman experience”
Cashman: “But we were offering to send the movers to pick up the OTHER lefthander who is fond of eggs and avocados”
Sabes: “not interested. we need a back of the rotation guy who can eat innings”
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by Penitentiary Face on Nov 8, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
I dont know
It’s all speculation, Just like you’re doing. It’s why I said IF.
But it wouldn’t shock me if Sabes turned down prospects with higher upsides than Melky all in the name of WIN NOW.
When the reality is just playing Torres and acquiring some prospects from the Yankees probably means the big league team is about the same and we have a deeper system.
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Remember.
Melky has a very good chance to be a Type A free agent next year.
Though the Yankees’ kids are closer to the majors, none of them fit the power-hitting corner infielder/outfielder or up-the-middle infielder prototype that the Giants really need going forward, and so I wouldn’t necessarily prefer them to Giants-drafted prospects using Melky’s comp picks in a couple of years.
I need some help for the Type A stuff…if Melky does become one, do the Giants get draft picks if he walks as a FA?
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Yes.
They’d be quite likely to offer him arbitration, because he’s an ok player and would end up being underpaid.
Isn’t the CBA up soon though? and isn’t that one of the things that might get changed?
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Good point. Although, just a bit too late does seem like the perfect time for Sabean to figure out how to game the system.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 8, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
I have a few problems with that logic:
1) I don’t see how Melky has a “very good chance” to be a Type A FA next year. Those are based on three year surveys and Melky was awful in at least one of those three years (2010). On top of which, he’s in a category with all OF, 1B, and DH, which sets a pretty high bar for Type A.
2) Type A compensation hurting mid-level (non-star) free agents is one of the major issues that is being addressed right now in CBA bargaining. Some way or another they’re going to try to prevent the system which is in place right now, which would limit the market for a player like Cabrera exactly because teams don’t want to give up a high draft pick for him.
3) I don’t see how anyone would be optimistic that the Giants have a better chance of drafting a power hitting impact bat than they do of acquiring one from elsewhere. They haven’t really done that in a quarter of a century now.
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Panda and Buster Posey would probably disagree with you.
Also Cabrera was borderline A/B this year in the AL…there is a good chance that he can be Type A in the NL.
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Posey was a #6 pick. You’re not talking about a top 10 pick here. Also, as much as love Buster, I don’t know that I’d describe him as “power hitting impact bat.”
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1) Melky’s right on the cusp of Type A right now as it stands. All he needs to do is improve slightly on his 2009 stats to put himself in Type A range. I think there’s a very good chance he does it.
Currently he’s somewhere around a few points and three slots below Type A.
3) Straw man… The current topic was a comparison between low-round 1st rounders that the Giants pick and the current Yankees prospect crop that could possibly be acquired for Jonathan Sanchez. Seeing as the Yankees have no impact power bats, yes, the Giants draft is more likely to get the bat needed.
Certainly the Yankees do have better bats that could conceivably be available than what the Giants might do in the second half of the 1st round (for one I disagree with Giant Pain and DO think it’s conceivable, if strange, that the Yankees might have made Brett Gardner available, they really seem to dislike him for some bizarre reason), IF Cabrera were to become a Type A FA (which still seems pretty unlikley to me).
But you’ve completely neglected my 2nd point which effectively negates all others. A form of compensation that causes teams to lose a 1st round draft pick for a player like Cabrera is virtually certain to come out of the CBA that’s going to be announced at some point in the next month.
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But you’ve completely neglected my 2nd point which effectively negates all others. A form of compensation that causes teams to lose a 1st round draft pick for a player like Cabrera is virtually certain to come out of the CBA that’s going to be announced at some point in the next month.
Lack of knowledge on my part. I was unaware that it had come that far.
To be fair, the quality of the Giants’ player development has made a stunning improvement in the past few years. It’s not the way it was a decade ago anymore.
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Part of it was a change of philosophy to try and complement Bonds to one of building from within.
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True
but there was a time when the Giants gave away picks to acquire veteran players.
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I wasn’t happy when it happened, but I wasn’t pissed either. Now that trade looks pretty terrible though. Maybe he can Vogelsong his way back to us.
by S. Pickford #25 on Nov 8, 2011 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
They didn't give him away
it’s the price of admission. You can argue about whether it was worth the price but it was not for nothing.
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Well, consider it was in response to what you said
I wasn’t implying that they gave him away for nothing.
but there was a time when the Giants gave away picks to acquire veteran players.
Now they give away Zack Wheeler.
That is, now they give away Zack Wheeler to acquire veteran players.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 8, 2011 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
They gave away Wheeler to get the best hitter available, so as to improve their chances of making and advancing in the playoffs; and since they were doing well in the NL West at the time of the deal, the decision was plausible. The phraseology of “there was a time when” implies habitual behavior in the past, when, the giving away of prospects for vets was out of a preference for vets. Whether or not one deplores such preferences, the issue of preferring vets wasn’t the case with Beltran and Wheeler, which is the point I take CalBear and dregarx and el person to be making, and making correctly.
Because Beltran is a vet that happens to be worth trading in no way invalidates the idea that the Giants have a pattern of trading prospects for vets and a fetish for veteran grit.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
It’s not the way it was a decade ago anymore.
That’s true in it’s way, though certainly I think I’d take the system’s top 10 prospects going into 2003 over their top 10 now. I’d probably take the top 10 from 2002 over their top 10 now.
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I also find it hard to believe that Sabean would not have gone back to the Yankees for a counter once they got the Royal offer
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I don't.
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Okay
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He could have gone back for a counter offer and the Yankees just re-offered the same thing.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
Sabean's rep has always been that he gets fixated on the guy he wants and just goes after him and does whatever it takes to get him
That wouldn’t lend itself to shopping around. If he wanted Melky, he wanted Melky.
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
?
Where are u getting that he didnt?
And I don’t find that surprising.
The Yankees had nothing on the big league roster other than maybe Nunez who they wouldve included in the deal
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My point is that what ever the Yankees were offering were not that great in Sabean’s eyes. Then it just becomes a valuation issue between Sabean and Cashman.
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It could have been very good prospects
But Sabean wanted someone major leage ready at all costs.
That’s dumb
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Maybe
but it depends on your priority. If this is just a piece of a larger puzzle then no because you can get someone that play pretty well for one year.
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Besides, the Yankees only prospect is Montero.
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the issue is whether the Yankees would give up a major league ready CF who could leadoff, which is what Sabes was after (not saying that’s Melky, but Sabes thinks it is). I don’t think the Yankees have one of those they’d be willing to trade for Sanchez. I’m not saying that’s smart, but it seems to be the way Sabes operates.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 8, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah
I am going to be seriously ticked if this is the only move.
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GIANTS FINISH OFF-SEASON MOVES ON NOVEMBER 7TH.
TAKE FRONT OFFICE TO DISNEYLAND IN LIEU OF WINTER MEETINGS.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 8, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
WERE OVERHEARD SAYING: “AN E_TICKET RIDE COSTS HOW MUCH??!!”
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
The day they DFA Torres is gonna be one of my saddest days as a Giants fan since Will the Thrill went to Texas.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 8, 2011 8:46 AM PST reply actions 12 recs
sadly rec'd
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by natteringnabob on Nov 8, 2011 8:53 AM PST up reply actions
Yup
:(
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Sadness, and anger.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
They're not going to DFA him.
They simply won’t tender him a contract.
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Yeah.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2011 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
I’ll be sad, but nowhere near the level of losing the Thrill. Torres is a good player that has a great story, and I would be really sad to see him go. Clark was my childhood hero, one of the best players in baseball over the previous several years, and had the potential to be a borderline Hall of Famer who spent his whole career with the Giants. The Giants letting him walk away without an offer was more painful than the way the ‘93 season ended, and I’m still bitter over that. Cain is the only current Giant whose departure would be as painful to me as Clark’s.
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by Ott on Nov 8, 2011 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I agree with everything, including Cain.
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And I'm STILL pissed he can never be considered for the HOF again.
Sure, he wasn’t the best player ever, but it’s hard to have a discussion about the Giants of the late 80s/early 90s without him coming up, not to mention the 1989 postseason.
Dude hit a HR off Nolan Ryan with his first major league SWING, for crying out loud.
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It would take deliberate sabotage for the Giants to get worse offensively.
Unfortunately our management team is highly capable of doing this in an unintentional/intentional sort of way. Just look at Aubrey Huff/Brandon Belt and trading for Orlando Cabrera.
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I still don't get that move. I never came to grips about trading Neal for Cabrera.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Nov 8, 2011 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
The thing is, it happened.
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It was either complete bafoonery or intentional sabotage.
What other explaination could there be?
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That’s what I said about the Mariners after 2010. Earnestly hoping both teams have more productive offenses in 2012.
by Joe Metro on Nov 8, 2011 8:48 AM PST reply actions 6 recs
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Please don’t use a subject line. It makes it too easy for the mods to hunt you down.
Also, pie or cake?
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Boston and cheese, I presume.
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yes
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Cheesecake.
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Tiramisu.
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This is my favorite dessert.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 9:29 AM PST up reply actions
I had pistachio ice cream for the first time last night…. Man, I’ve been missing out.
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This is almost the same as this aunt! Also, she learned the recipe from my uncle, so my mother and sister sniff that it’s their recipe behind her back. But they can’t make it because they can’t bake.
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I like a nice piece of boysenberry pie
Heated up, maybe a little scoop of ice cream alongside.
Sweet, but not too sweet. Tart, but not too tart.
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by El Person on Nov 8, 2011 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Following up on Goofus' comment
I thought about this a little bit…what if the Giants had traded for one year of Jose Bautista after 2010? It’s is somewhat impossible to know how much Melky will regress (if at all) and whether Torres would ever return to 2010 form.
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It’s impossible to know, but there are great ways to guess. Melky’s improvements were significantly luck based. It’s a good guess those regress.
And 2011 Torres is actually enough positive value that regressy Melky isn’t much worth it.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2011 9:51 AM PST up reply actions
Why do you say the improvements were luck based?
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His BABIP was higher than his career norm
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
To add
By quite a bit. While simultaneously his BB% dropped 3% to the lowest of his career and his K% rose 1% to the highest of his career.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 8, 2011 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
Well, BB% and K% do change between seasons.
He’ll probably get fewer hits but walk more this season.
2008-2011
BB% 6.4; 8.0; 8.3; 5.0 career 7.4
K% 12.8; 10.9; 12.6; 13.3 career 12
It’s not a clear trend, but it doesn’t look good. Hopefully he’ll return to the walk rates he was showing in ’09 and ’10, and not continue to be what he was before those years. Although moving the Giants and hoping for an increase in walks is pretty comical.
Maybe he reduces his Ks a little bit, but I’d expect to see around 13%
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 8, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
That's a career low BB% by quite the margin.
He tended to swing more on pitches both in and out of the zone. The hope is that he was intelligently aggressive in the zone (where he jumped from 63.2% swinging to 67.1% swinging), which aided his overall hitting quality.
But generally I would expect that walk rate to go up this year, because regression is pretty damn reliable.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 8, 2011 8:54 AM PST up reply actions
Nimitz
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 9:05 AM PST up reply actions
pretty sure it’s called a Rear Admiral
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 8, 2011 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
nah
it’s from the Simpsons
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 8, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
I believe it is a wedgie that you stuck their shoe around the waist band so the harder they try to get out the worse the wedgie gets
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by scespy12 on Nov 8, 2011 2:27 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I still have this chart handy.
Giants by wRC+:
2005: 85
2006: 87
2007: 81 (last in NL)
2008: 82 (last in NL)
2009: 81 (last in NL)
2010: 93
2011: 83 (last in NL)
It can get worse.
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This is what it keeps coming back to for me. It doesn’t have to fucking be this way. The Giants will have a terrible offense again in 2012 because they want to. They prefer it to spending what they should in the FA market. RDF über alles .
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 8:52 AM PST reply actions
We used to be able to be like, lol, but the Cubs!
But now they have a smart GM.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
This
It has always bothered me that the Giants just simply refuse to spend money in free agency since when they didn’t sign Vlad Guerrero.
Zito
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We signed a bad player!
Let’s not sign any good ones, just so we’re safe.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Every team has made a bad signing. That shouldn’t stop you from giving big contracts out to free agents like Pujols or Reyes.
So they are waiting for 2014 then!
Let’s see, who will we cripple our selves by signing in 2014?
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by jhiat00 on Nov 8, 2011 9:06 AM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Jonathan Sanchez
Does anyone here actually think that Jonathan Sanchez still has such huge potential? This isn’t a case of a guy trying to figure out what to do with his stuff. He knows what to do with the stuff. The problem is that he has one of the weaker mental makeups of any player in recent memory. If he suddenly develops into a number 2, I will be absolutely floored.
Huge potential, no.
Good value, yes.
I am so effing sick of assuming from a distance that a guy is a simpleton and discarding him on that basis.
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You don't have to assume at a distance
You can watch the games
From a distance.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
Oh so you are making a judgement
that a guy can’t throw strikes because of subtle demonstartions of frustration on the mound. I think the two have littel to do with eachother, but I’ll admit there’s really no way for me to know this.
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You're absolutely right.
There is no way to know for sure, nor is there any reliable way to test such a theory empirically. It just seems, to me, that concentration and calmness should have a measurable effect on the ability to throw strikes. Whether or not this is what has derailed Sanchez from reaching his potential is impossible to know definitively.
Or...
we could just go with what his stats say, that he would have likely been a 2+ War pitcher which is a lot better than what we will get from teh 5th spot in the rotation barring an acquisition which will cost some number of millions of Beltranbucks.
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I think Zito's good for 2 WAR, at least based on '09 and '10
And Sanchez would have sapped a few more of those Beltranbucks, wouldn’t he?
Whoa there
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I agree Zito was about 2 WAR in 09 and 10, but after last year it’s hard to project him to be any better than 1.5 WAR. I’d guess closer to 1.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
Well if you're set on Zito pitchin in the 5th spot
and you have an undying hatred for Sanchez as appears to be the case with Sabochey then let Sanchez go for nothing and save all of his would be arb money as Beltranbucks. Then you refuse to pay Jeremy Affeldt 100K per IP and you have 10 million mor Beltranbucks than you had before.
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This isn't bad, but what if you can't sign Beltran/Reyes/Rollins?
Now we have no trade value and no viable free agent options to upgrade offense
This is why trading Sanchez for prospects was the best solution. If the saved money can’t land you anything at least you stocked up the farm.
However, Melky can turn into prospects via Type A, so it might all work out.
That's the hope.
And also, the Giants need an okay outfielder more than they need an okay starter. They also have Zito and Surkampe.
But Sanchez was biceps tendenitis-y and sprained-ankle-not-really-bad-but-didn’t-want-to-come-back-y.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
What I took out of the talk about Sanchez’ injury last year is that “Biceps Tendinitis” is considered widely around baseball as shop talk for “sucks right now, needs a rest.” Elbows are a little more delicate.
by Clark woulda had it on Nov 8, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
The problem is that he has one of the weaker mental makeups of any player in recent memory.
I don’t think this is true. He walks a lot of guys. That’s not a neurological condition.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
No but his unwillingness to change and apparent bad attitude in returning from the DL are.
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Unwillingness to change as in his ability to throw strikes?
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Unwillingness to change what?
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I really need to find the quote
but Sanchez commented that the wildness/walks are just part of his pitching and that he does not intend to change despite suggestions from the coaches.
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You're implying that he could change if he wanted to
Is there any evidence that pitchers can just make themselves stop walking people?
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Not unwillingness to throw strike. Unwillingness to listen to coaching and advice from others. This is especially problematic when Raggs is the one giving the advice.
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I always assumed he did listen to Raggs. That was the first person he hugged after the no-hitter. And it was a long hug.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
Yeah. Not being able to follow advice isn’t really the same as not listening.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
Yeah, besides
he often seemed to pull himself together after Rags went out there. At least in 2010, he seemed to regress back to muddleheaded in 2011.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
The advice appears to be: Walk fewer people
What if the answer is “I can’t”?
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
No. The advice was you need to worry less about strikeouts and worry more about control. The answer was strikeouts/walks are just who I am as a pitcher.
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Rags: “You might want to throw a strike every now & again.”
Sanchez scoffs
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Could be! Sanchez sure looks like a guy who has made the choice that he’d rather walk a guy than “give in to him,” though.
From Baggs
When I asked him last spring about leading the NL in walks, and whether he felt motivated to cut down the free passes — a softball question if ever one existed — Sanchez surprised reporters by saying no, he was fine pitching the way he’s pitched in the past.
"If I walk two guys and get a ground-ball double play, hey, the inning is over," he said.
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Didn’t Randy Johnson help him out?
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Go away, you're hurting the narrative
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
this is a crazy opinion
Sanchez completely revamped his college delivery under the Giants instruction.
Mark DeRosa , he had his moments.
Not much evidence to contradict
but Voggie does say “hi”
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by Penitentiary Face on Nov 8, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
It's in Bagg's blog post from last night.
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This one?
When I asked him last spring about leading the NL in walks, and whether he felt motivated to cut down the free passes — a softball question if ever one existed — Sanchez surprised reporters by saying no, he was fine pitching the way he’s pitched in the past.
"If I walk two guys and get a ground-ball double play, hey, the inning is over," he said.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
I thought there was another
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She got fat and had to join Weight Watchers.
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Then the galaxy far far away is doomed
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I thought if you "walk two guys and get a ground-ball double play"...
Then there are two outs and a man on base somewhere, but then again, I’m not a stats guy
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Sound logic Jonathan
unfortunately, you don’t always have control of where the groundballs are going. Hence the meltdown against the A’s which was one of the last starts he had before finding his way out of the lineup. Let’s face it, if he would have pitched for the entire season (assuming if he would have been healthy), having the infield nucleus of Huff at 1B, Kepp at 2B and O-Cab at SS (Panda was actually a very pleasant defensive surprise in 2011 over 2010), Dirty’s shortcomings would have been grossly compounded.
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by Penitentiary Face on Nov 8, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
I have good composure.
And I would not be able to throw 3 strikes in 4 pitches.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
3 in 4
attacking the strike zone
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by Penitentiary Face on Nov 8, 2011 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
okay
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Sure seems like a confirmation bias deal.
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I suppose
But at face value, the ability to throw a ball into a small target should rely heavily on the ability to focus and the ability to control emotion
And the ability to control your mechanics so that you can reproducibly do the motion?
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Nope. The only thing keeping me from bowling 300 every time I go out is the simple fact that I’m a cry baby.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 8, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
Brandon Belt!
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You've hit what I was thinking
Sanchez’ always seemed to have a delivery that he couldn’t keep under control.
Perhaps coaches had things they wanted him to work on to have a more consistent approach, but he was uninterested in improving
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Well he has shown in the past
the ability to melt-down whenever something like an error or bad call went against him.
That shows a weak ability to concentrate and let go of things. These skills are critical to be a successful pitcher.
is there a part of your brain that makes you throw strikes
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 8, 2011 8:58 AM PST up reply actions
See: Game 6 NLCS last year
Dude basically had a nervous breakdown on the mound
and just about
everytime he does not get a strike call.
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It seems like your argument is that he has already turned into a number 2.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 9:06 AM PST up reply actions
You know who turned into number 2? Zito.
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by troymccluresf on Nov 8, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
You are!
/extends middle finger
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
We are number 1. All others are 2 or lower
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
THE SPHINX
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the top 3 performances of dirty's career ......
1] july 10, 2009 (the no-no).
2] october 3, 2010 (the nl west clinch).
3] october 10, 2010 (nlds game 3).
good luck elsewhere, my friend. thanks for the memories.
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Maybe already mentioned… I’m only a third of the way through the comments… but Kuip mentioned this morning on KNBR the other frustrating thing about Sanchez was that he would “forget” to do baseball stuff. Not covering/backing up at first, not backing up plays at home things that made him a bad Mr. Pitcher.
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Jonathan is in KC
how will we ever know what happens to him?
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by Penitentiary Face on Nov 8, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
I want to be excited about this lineup, but I'm not much at all.
Melky
Freddy Sanchez
Pablo
Posey
Huff
Belt
Nate
Crawford
That lineup (and make no mistake, this is what it will be) will struggle to score 600 runs.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 8:57 AM PST up reply actions
Yup.
With Pablo hitting like an MVP for 3/4 of the season and Beltran outpacing Pablo’s OPS in a Giant uni we only produced 570.
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The bottom half has huge crater potential.
And the top half might be average.
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That was all of last season, basically.
This team sucks. There’s nothing that can be done to fix this, given the voluntary spending cap.
Yup.
Unless we get lucky with some flukie offensive production like we did in 2010, I don’t see us as a legit contender for a playoff spot.
The fifteen minutes was great though.
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I still have hope for this lineup
Crisp CF
Sanchez 2B
Pablo 3B
Buster C
Marginal Cabrera LF
Huff 1B
Nate RF
Crawford SS
That is still a bad offensive lineup but would give us some table setters at the top for hopefully a healthy Buster and 2011 versions of Panda and Melky.
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by Penitentiary Face on Nov 8, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
That’s still a bad offensive lineup with two guys who have below average on-base percentages batting at the top and the only two above average hitters right after that, so at least they won’t have the pressure of batting with anyone on base.
Also, Crawford!
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Sheesh, you spoiled bastards
were you hoping for 3-2 games instead of the traditional 2-1 versions? (of course only on the non-Zito starts)
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by Penitentiary Face on Nov 8, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
Table setters!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
And we want Crisp why exactly?
That money would be better spent on some mediocre veteran SS like Furcal or Carroll.
I'm to the point where any of Reyes/Rollins/Beltran would make me happy
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
I'd be pretty thrilled with Furcal & Carroll TBH
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 8, 2011 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
I'm on board with either of them, but would hope there's more than that
One of those guys and a good backup catcher would be better
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
I feel like you can’t grab Furcal without investing in a fairly capable backup infielder. He’s just not gonna play 150 games. We could just roll with Fontenot as backup SS and I wouldn’t be upset about that.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 8, 2011 8:59 AM PST up reply actions
Alien Carroll yes, Furcal no.
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by Penitentiary Face on Nov 8, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
You’ll get Michael Cuddyer and Josh Willingham minus the 2 first picks.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
Reyes or Rollins for the money/years they’re getting right?
MLB TR has Carroll predicted at 2/8MM. That seems like a lot to me.
Whoever signs Reyes is going to very sorry a few years into that contract. Just what we need – sign a speed guy to a Rowandish contract and watch him struggle with leg injuries.
California Leaguers beware: Chris Gloor will strike you out faster than you can say "Quinnipiac", or he would have if he had pitched more than five innings this year before getting hurt...
by crazedcrustacean on Nov 8, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
I don't agree with that first sentence as an absolute.
But I believe it is a high enough chance that he’s not worth signing at expected rates.
You have it backwards
the future of Reyes’ hamstrings are ok unless of course he signs with the Giants
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by Penitentiary Face on Nov 8, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
I know that this is 100% not the case
But I feel personally responsible for getting people on the Caroll bandwagon.
Who’s down with OBP?
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
< chants "Caroll, Caroll, Caroll, Caroll"
but truly an effin’ mystery how this guy hits with an eye on each side of his head.
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by Penitentiary Face on Nov 8, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
Remember when RoxGirl led all her followers down the “Jose Lopez is good” path?
That was pretty funny.
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by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 8, 2011 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
Move it over, baby
I’m traveling on that line
You are entirely responsible for my conversion from total aversion to relative open mindedness.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
Here in DC, we call this driving the conversation
Defensive metrics say averagish defense at short with very good OBP, and his age will make him cheap. Wheeee.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
If he becomes a Giant, they should attach “My Favorite Martian” antennae to his cap.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
He still seems very Mike Fontenot.
Give Fontenot his career avg BABiP, and their numbers look pretty close.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
He's got 20 points of OBP on Fontenot
But I think they should keep Fontenot around. I’d rather him be the starting SS than Crawford.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I look at Fontenot as a platoon player.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
Don’t get too excited, I’m still pretty meh on him. But I wouldn’t be pissed if they picked him up, based solely on OBP (I am not at all excited to watch him play short).
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
(chopped from previous thread)
A question for those who criticize the trade as “buying high/selling low”
(Including you, jcb)
Do we really know that? If Melky repeats his 2011 or is even better and Sanchez repeats his 2011 or is worse, wouldn’t it be more "buying a player on the rise/selling a player on the decline"
It’s like the stock market; you really don’t know if you bought/sold high/low until some time has passed and you look back at the deal.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
I think it’s fair to characterize trading a guy who is coming off of a year of ineffectiveness and injury for a guy who had the best year of his career by far that way, even if it’s true that the ultimate truth of the deal will only be known later.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 9:12 AM PST up reply actions
I think Goofus’ point is that the Giants knows a lot more about Sanchez and Torres than we do and their ability to return to form.
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I don’t think that the Giants question his defensive skills but they are frustrated with his offensive approach. I think they want him to open up his hitting rather than trying to pull everything.
Again, Beltran clip in the Franchise showed me a lot.
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It would totally suck
if the Giants are jumping to Beltran’s tune and then don’t sign him.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I really really want the Giants to sign Beltran even more than Rollins and Reyes. It makes no sense but I do.
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My preference is Reyes > Beltran > Rollins.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
I would love to have Beltran on the team, but Reyes is the best player available at any position. Why would you not want him first?
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Fear of commitment I guess.
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But I don’t think the Giants are going to do it. I can be happy with Beltran and Crawford.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
With the Giants offensive ineptitude
Torres’ defensive abilities are a luxury THIS Giants lineup cannot afford. Very frustrating with the other benefits he brings to the table, ie. baserunning, defense, good team guy, reasonable contract – but hell, if he had it completely together offensively, he wouldn’t be such a good bargain. I like him as a 4th outfielder – what is the price of a 4th and 5th outfielder these days? Did we already spend our 4th outfielder bonus money on loogies?
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by Penitentiary Face on Nov 8, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
THE PRICE IS JONATHAN SANCHEZ
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
No, his point is that time will tell. I think he believes the Giants know more about them, but his actual, stated argument is that it’s too early to call it ‘buy high/sell low’.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 9:18 AM PST up reply actions
Ding ding ding!
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
I disagree.
They think they know more. But I don’t have the faith that they are looking at the right indicators. They value things like being a good soldier more than predictive statistics and there are a ton of examples to support this.
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That’s my issue with this. This is decent deal if we consider only their 2011 seasons. But why on earth would we not take into account the seasons that happened before that? I mean, just using a simple Marcel-style 3/2/1 average of his past 3 seasons, Melky’s projected wRC+ next year is 101.
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Baggs stole your headline!
…Yesterday.
[…] and how today’s trade sets up the rest of the offseason.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
Interesting
The Giants see a player coming into his prime who finally learned the value of conditioning. Cabrera said his career year was a result of weight training in Miami, which he’ll do again this winter. He used Alex Rodriguez’s batting cage.
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Hey man, whatever you gotta do
Just win, baby.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
If that’s where we’re spending the extra money, I’m all for this deal.
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It could have been worse. It could have been Francouer.
I’m fairly certain Sanchez was going to be non-tendered anyways. Out of everything miserable last season, all the strikeouts and pop-ups and double plays, the one thing I could not watch was a Sanchez start. At the end it was ridiculous. As soon as I saw a 8th place hitter or a pitcher get walked, and the camera went back to the mound and showed his classic “I don’t give a shit” look, I had to change the channel. I could even tolerate Zito.
Though, I would have given him to the Yankees for free just for the hope they’d pitch him in front or behind AJ Burnett. Talk about torture.
2 year deal? That's it?
@SI_JonHeyman: #redsox interested in carlos beltran. #giants likely out after getting melky. competing exec predict 2-yr deal w/ bos
And we can’t match that?!
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
No way Beltran takes a 2 year deal. And Boston is a mess right now.
by Bar None on Nov 8, 2011 9:09 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
5 million to Melky and 5 million to Afeldt.
This is what you call “spreading it around” Sabean’s treating the the RDF like Silicon Valley startup equity.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
10 million would have made a HUGE difference in a two year offer, obviously.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
The Melky thing doesn’t really figure into it, since Sanchez woulda been paid more. But yeah, if we pay 9m to lefty relievers and then cry poverty on Carlos friggin Beltran…
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 8, 2011 9:18 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Oh yes it does.
If they were so dead set on ridding themselves of Sanchez, they could have non-tendered or traded for a non-prospect. Had they decided not to pay 5 million for a guy who’s going to pitch 55 innings and just let go of Sanchez for nothing they could have approached Beltran with a competitive 2 year offer adding 10 million to the pile.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
But Sabean is too proud to let someone go for nothing.
And I am sure Affeldt is a “Good Soldier”
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
Really
Melky knocks us out?
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Wait
I thought Heyman was unreliable
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If the agent is Boras, he knows exactly what’s happening. Otherwise…
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
Well
Beltran is no longer with Boras.
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If the agent is Boras
Heyman’s trying to drum the price up. Boras is the puppet master in this case.
The principal supporting business now is rage. -- Richard Hugo
That’s just… well, I hope that’s just a rumor.
Is it February 19 yet?
by j14 on Nov 8, 2011 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
I wish I was a sportswriter...
…I’d lob non-sourced bullshit like this multiple times a day and then pop popcorn and watch all of us freak out.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 8, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
Come Fucking On!!!
If Beltran signs a 2 year deal in Boston, I say we start our own ’Occupy The Giants Front Office" march immediately. Who is with me? Or do you all have commitments such as employment?
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by Penitentiary Face on Nov 8, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
Meh, it would degenerate into a bunch of homeless stoners who never heard of Beltran.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
of course
wearing A’s hats
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by Penitentiary Face on Nov 8, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
and tamborines
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by Penitentiary Face on Nov 8, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
At 3:28 PM, asteroid YU55 will pass about 200,000 miles from the Earth. That distance puts it closer to the Earth than the moon. The asteroid is about 1,300 feet across.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 9:09 AM PST reply actions
Bruce?
more like Dontrelle with this front office.
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by Penitentiary Face on Nov 8, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec’d. Right on the money.
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/AEROSMITH
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CAUSEIMISSYOUBABE
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Wikipedia =/= the source of all fact,
but yes, I mistook the songwriting credit as someone else having produced/performed it as well. My bad.
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
Diane “Un-break My Heart” Warren wrote it, not Tyler/Perry like most Aerosmith songs, but it was not a cover.
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by troymccluresf on Nov 8, 2011 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
Too bad he can’t walk.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 8, 2011 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
ANIDONTWANNAMISSA-
/falls off of stage
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
intheass
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liv tyler is hot.
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ELE
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ENHANCE!
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 9:13 AM PST up reply actions
That’s no moon
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by ResDog on Nov 8, 2011 9:14 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
twss?
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by Penitentiary Face on Nov 8, 2011 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
/ CUE ARROWSMITH!!!
……….. I DON’T WANNA CLOSE MY EYES ……..
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This close, they always look like landscape.
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by troymccluresf on Nov 8, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
How big is the asteroid compared to the moon?
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
Does that mean 6:28 Actual Standard Time?
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
6:28 east coast bias time!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
They named it "YU55"?
I would’ve gone with “UR5”
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
For Jctgamer
Southpaw Wei-Yin Chen belongs somewhere in our top 50 free agents list, perhaps in the 20s. Chen will likely be coming to MLB from Japan’s Chunichi Dragons as a 26-year-old free agent. The Taiwanese lefty was a foreign player in Nippon Professional Baseball, and his agents at Octagon negotiated free agency into his contract.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/11/free-agent-stock-watch-wei-yin-chen.html
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Sorry Heyman
No way Beltran goes to Boston on a two year deal and the Giants let that happen. Sabean never gets outbid on years.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
by rxmeister on Nov 8, 2011 9:27 AM PST via mobile reply actions
This.
Savvy Sabes lurks in the weeds.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 8, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Yah I think he goes to Boston
But its 3 years with the third year being a player option
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Cliff Lee took more money per year and less years.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
I think Furcal also took less years with a higher annual when he went to the Dodgers.
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The Giants need for Beltran is so much more than Boston’s that I don’t see the Giants not outbidding them.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
by rxmeister on Nov 8, 2011 9:38 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Unless they don't have any money.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Backload
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
by rxmeister on Nov 8, 2011 9:40 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
They're going to have to make payroll in 2013 and 2014 too, though.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Maybe they think one of their SS propects will work out practically for free, so they’re willing to float a year or so of bad SS offense. And they have Gary Brown coming soon for the OF.
Maybe they’re putting faith in their own system instead of the FA market. It certainly helps the RDF.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
And Huff too
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Timmy, Cain, and a serviceable 5th starter will get Zito’s money.
Rowand and Huff money can go to some other FAs.
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Is there a Carlos Cabrera? If so, him.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
by bgunn on Nov 8, 2011 9:53 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If you're going to defer salary and just count on expiring contracts to compensate
Just pay Reyes. Give him 10 million in 2012, 15 in 2013, and 19 each in 14-17
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
That's similar to the Zito contract.
IIRC he only got 7 mil his first year.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
Apparently there is greater need for Melky Cabrera and Jeremy Affeldt.
Affeldt will make about the same rate per IP as pitcher making 20 million and throwing 200 IP.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
$5 million is about the going rate for a LOOGY of Affeldt's years.
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Then every team should stock their MiLB with LOOGIES
Because paying them 100K an IP is stupid.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
Affeldt and Lopez face just about 100 lefties.
At 200 total lefties faced and about 9 mil spent. That’s 45K per lefty.
If we paid a player 45K per plate appearance, at 650 plate appearances, that’d be 29.5 mil.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
So really smart strategy would be
to actually draft loogies to become loogies use them for two-three years and trade them when they get to arb.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
Or trade one as a throw in for a CF who can’t play CF.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
Well
it’s not like the Giants has had a great track record in drafting LOOGies
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How do we do it?
“Volume selling at discount prices.”
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- A. Bartlett Giamatti
Stability? The ability to plan your life for a longer period?
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
::shrug::
That’s not a bad point. But, the vast majority of human beings prefer to make as much money as possible.
Eh, I don’t think that’s accurate.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 9:47 AM PST up reply actions
Because it's way easier for a team to add a third year and make it more money than a two year deal
More total money always trumps AAV
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For example say the Red Sox offer 2 year for 30 mil
You know how much easier it is for a team to come in and say ok here’s 3 years 33
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yeah but is beltran willing to commit to an extra year at $3 million? I mean he could probably get more than $3 million in 2 years.
I would say the offer would have be something 3 years/$35-40 million.
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Jesus Christ people
I was speaking to the fact that it’s easier beat the value of a two year deal with a three year deal. The numbers weren’t to be taken literally.
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Okay
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Beltran takes 2/30 over 3/33 in a heartbeat. He thinks that after 2 years, he could still get a 1 year deal worth over 3 mil. If it was 3/40, he might start thinking about it.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
I would never pay Beltran an AAV of 18 mil
Id pay an AAV of 12 mil though
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Buff Huff > Trim Huff > Squishy Huff
TGWTWS!
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Way to go Penn State!
STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — Penn State administrators on Tuesday canceled Joe Paterno’s weekly news conference in which he was expected to field questions about a sex-abuse scandal involving former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky.
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Actually they cancelled it because they’re forcing him to resign.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
by rxmeister on Nov 8, 2011 9:39 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Herm Edwards and Colin Cowherd placed most of the blame on the graduate assistant
for failing to beat up Sandusky.
I stopped reading
After I read Herm Edwards and Colin Cowherd
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
I kept listening because I was already in LA traffic and was trying to figure out which could kill me faster:
the traffic or by my own hand.
Also, he ranked the 49ers as the 7th best team in the NFL but best positioned to beat the Packers in Lambeau in a playoff game because of Frank Gore. I hate Colin Cowherd. As a human being.
Just sign Reyes, bastards. I'll never complain again (until you do something dumb).
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Too many years. Not gonna happen.
Miami is nice, ever been?
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 8, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
those crazy marlins and their new spinning home run sculpture ..........
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by GIANT stoner on Nov 8, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
This is going to look so classy
when a Fish hits a solo shot, down 14-1.
by mrs. owlcroft on Nov 8, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
it seriously looks like ........
an acid trip slot machine.
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In a word, no. If we’d made an offer to Reyes or Beltran, we would have been without Lopez, Affeldt, Bloomquist, and Cabrera, obviously unable to field a complete team.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Hes been there before!!!!11!22!
MOON LANDING? BEAR GRYLLS!
by Anonymous1337 on Nov 8, 2011 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
JUST FUCKING SIGN ECKSTEIN ALREADY
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 8, 2011 9:46 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yeah
I don’t think I’m going to watch the Giants much next year. What a complete fucking joke
The Giants finally won the World Series. Now what?
by jordanovich on Nov 8, 2011 9:46 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
YOU KNOW IT"S GONNA HAPPEN
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It beats Yuniesky Betancourt for 3 years
This is the baseline by which all Giants move needs to be compared to
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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can of corn
Hi-five!
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Why spend money on a bad SS when you already have one who can’t hit on the team?
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
dude makes 11 outs every 15 trips to the plate
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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copper lining
MOON LANDING? BEAR GRYLLS!
by Anonymous1337 on Nov 8, 2011 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
I will pay a reporter $100 to ask him the followup to that statement:
“Why do you think that strategy will work this time around?”
NOOOOOOOOOO
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
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by Murray, Present on Nov 8, 2011 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
Why can’t we have nice things????
Boo
by LosGigantesTodoElTiempo on Nov 8, 2011 9:46 AM PST reply actions
Our GM is a fucking idiot
The Giants finally won the World Series. Now what?
by jordanovich on Nov 8, 2011 9:50 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I want this guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym4bcVa8m88&feature=related
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We need some good singing chants
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Not enough white gloves and balloons in the MLB
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I like the trade
After last season, Sanchez has no value. i am surprised we got anything for him. sanchez was so inconsistent, and rarely made it past the 5th inning. Would rather see Surkamp at 5 spot, or even Zito. Don’t like the idea of Zito making 20 mil to be in bullpen or AA. Hoping to see another move, hopefully they trade Huff to clear some payroll. Start Pill at first, Belt in left. lock up Timmy and Cain to long term deals. Then when Zito/Rowand contracts are off the books in a couple years, we will have some funds to go after a free agent hitter if needed. No hitter would ever want to come to SF if we don’t have one of the top 3 pitching staffs. That needs to be our first priority.
those of you dreaming of beltran and reyes, give it up. How many winning seasons did the mets have with those two as their Primetime players. They are past their prime, cost too much, and are not winners.
Give Sabes a break. The ownership clearly has imposed a salary cap, so he has little to work with.
by Michael Mills on Nov 8, 2011 9:53 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I agree with point one and three but definitely not point two.
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Okay
overall tone of point one. Sanchez definitely had value but not a lot which actually argues against the trade since he is at low value point. However, since Giants did not appear to be willing to offering him arb, it’s a okay trade.
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In other words, the Giants got more than they could hope for. Which should be a good thing.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
This
People talk about the Giants having no patience but I think the Royals were the perfect trade partner. Royals were not going to offer arb to Melky with Cain in the minors. Most of the other teams would have likely waited just to see if the Giants were going to let Sanchez walk.
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Which is why they pulled the trigger so early, and why all this garment-rending about it being all they will do is just blind panic. I think they’ll sign at least one more FA.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I hope so
Also remember how Sabean said that Sanchez was going to return at the year end press conference?
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Wait
If most everyone else was going to wait for us to non-tender Sanchez, how would waiting have improved what we got for him?
Seems to me that if the royals were the only ones offering up anything for him and you didn’t think anyone else would, it was better not to wait in case the Royals got offered something better for Melky.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
you and I are in agreement
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In all the my vitriol I should add...
I think Sabean actually did a good job of extracting value once he decided to make the trade. I just think everything that led to the decision to make the trade was horrible judgement and very shortsighted.
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thought (continued)
basically it appears there was no holisitic plan. There was no thinking about how this effects a Beltran offer, or who is going to take that spot in the rotation or how much that will cost. They just decided he had to go, then tried to find the biggest scalp they could get for him.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
Like people have been saying...we need to see what else happens
I’m not sure sure is affects a Beltran offer one way or another, other than it might make us slightly less desperate to sign Beltran, and therefore less over the barrel in negotiations.
It also allows them to look at shortstops (Reyes, Furcal, Rollins, Carroll) and have at least semi-addressed the outfield.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
I am hoping for Beltran to resign and Carroll as a SS.
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He can only resign if he re-signs first
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
You don't think this limits their ability to sign Beltran?
They could have gotten rid of Sanchez with no additional payroll added and used the savings as Beltran Bucks.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
Beltran's going to make on the order of $30-40 million.
$4 million shouldn’t be that big of an impact here.
They shouldn’t have signed Affeldt but the $9 million combined figure for both Affeldt and Melky overlooks that half is badly spent and half is well spent.
It all comes down to what you think of Melky
If you believe the 2012 Melky will be more like 2011 than his previous years, you’ve aquired an under-valued (2 to 4 wins) offensive player that won’t block Brown in 2012. For that you’ve given up a guy with one more year of arb that was going to cost something similar AND you’re not even sure whether he’d make the starting 5.
That doesn’t sound that shortsighted to me.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Cabrera should be around 1.5-2.5 wins this season.
He won’t block Brown in 2012, and he’s more likely to get better compensation than JSanchez would next year.
He adds another average-ish player to an outfield that currently, as constructed, doesn’t have too many of them, while giving up a player from a position of depth (Zito isn’t that bad).
All rest-of-offseason-outcomes being equal, I kinda like the trade.
I think you mean he won't block Brown in 2013
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Zito was really awful last year.
and unlike Sanchez his performance appears to be more of a projectable trend than anomaly.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
I wouldn’t want to take a chance on either of those things happening in 2012. I definitely wouldn’t bet my life. I’d probably bet yours though.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
I’LL TAKE THAT BET
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
I’d probably bet yours though.
This is part of Lars plan for depopulation isn’t it.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 8, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
To be fair
In the grand scheme, it’s probably more likely that Zito would turn in a good performance than it was for Vogelsong to do what he did last year.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I like how the guy talking like trading Huff is remotely possible
Is telling people to give up on a Beltran or Reyes.
Your right it’s Beltran and Reyes fault the mets sucked.
Not johan santana’s injuries, oliver perez, jason bay, or anyone else.
Definitely Beltran and Reyes.
I liked this place better when it was a ghost town a week or two ago
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PILL IS THE ANSWER!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
Red or Blue?
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DUDE HITS DINGERZ BEFORE HE GETS SCOUTED OUT OF THE LEAGUE!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
So basically,
people who like this trade either…
1. Hate Sanchez because he doesn’t get all fired up on the mound or isn’t an emotionless killer. It’s like he just shows the right amount of emotion to piss people off.
2. They think that Melky can hit like he did (or close to it) last year.
3. Don’t realize what a poor defender Melky is and how much worse he is than Torres.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
then you don't like this trade.
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Self-repost.
Sanchez looks to be slightly more productive than Cabrera, with Sanchez paid a bit more. Cabrera is also significantly younger: entering his prime years rather than leaving them.
Cabrera is a much better chance to be a Type A free agent next season, and good enough that the Giants should be able to have an arbitration offer declined and, subsequently, have another team sign him. I like draft picks.
The Giants have traded from a position of depth (Zito is infuriating, but he is still a passable 5th starter, and Surkamp may be as well) to acquire at a position of scarcity (Schierholtz simply does not look like a passable corner outfielder for a World Series contender, Torres is a guessing game, and Belt probably should be playing 1B on this team).
In full context, this trade appears worse, but really, it’s a good trade.
by dregarx on Nov 8, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
rec’d
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 8, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
LOL PILL
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
!
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
Yikes, forgot to resize… sorry about that.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
Natto’d.
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
by GIANT stoner on Nov 8, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
This is totally Sabean's plan.
Throw out rumors of getting Bloomquist so we are slightly less mad over signing Betancourt.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
Orlanda Cabrera is still available!
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I'm okay with Crawford if it means
Melky
Sanchez
Panda
Posey
Beltran
Belt/Huff
Nate
Crawford
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PLOLatoon
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
Nah
I am just not sure who will start. I would like Belt to be there but you never know with Bochy.
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LOL Bloomquist
One yahoo at Yahoo mentions SF for Bloomquist and it’s retweeted by 1000 writers and everyone believes it. How does Bloomquist get more money from Arizona? His agent whispers to some hack that the Giants are interested.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
by rxmeister on Nov 8, 2011 10:09 AM PST via mobile reply actions
One of my darker fears...
…
3B: Pablo being Pablo
I’m not assuming this.
My fear has been that Pablo puts his 2010 weight back on like Tommy Lasorda bouncing back from his Slim-Fast diet. Judging from what I saw watching Pablo in the Taiwan series, he’s well on his way.
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
Nah…I expect him to be better than that. He went through a season of scorn for being overweight. If he does fall off the fit wagon, it’s something that the Giants should know about before signing him long-term.
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Pablo has a chance to make some really serious money if he maintains his fitness. This has been the thing that I’ve hoped will be the key to him staying in shape.
On the other hand, 80-95% (depending on which study you read) of people who lose weight, gain it all back within 5 years. My fear about Pablo is that his weight loss didn’t come through a genuine change in how he views food, fitness and his own body, and more through more temporary methods like diet and working out more.
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
He's a professional athlete
who can hire personal trainers and chefs. He will be fine.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
So was Bengie Molina.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I do not believe there was ever any pressure for Bengie to lose weight.
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You have strange beliefs.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
Not a professional athlete.
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No, of course not
But still, Oprah was someone who seemingly was just as motivated, if not more so, to pursue fitness and stay in shape. And she had the means—personal trainers and chefs around 24/7, plus the money to pay them—to ensure that she could maintain her fitness and ideal weight. It didn’t work. It didn’t provide a guarantee that she would stay in shape. Nor does it for Pablo.
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
CC - bad example
He’s still really really good.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
These are all pitchers
David Ortiz might be a better example, but even he is mostly a DH. In Pablo, you have an everyday position player, who plays a position where fitness is an important part of his effectiveness. It was clear in 2010 that Pablo’s lack of fitness had a detrimental effect on his defense, and I personally thought it impacted his hitting as well (albeit not as dramatically).
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
Went from 225 to 275
Ate himself out of baseball
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
the best example
is probably Cecil Fielder.
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Kirby Puckett
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
but vegetarian! and a vegan to boot!
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Alright
My goal is that before the end of the day I can make one more post that results in someone shouting a name in response. Right now it’s just a coincidence, but 3 times, that’s a pattern.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 8, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
I must be as much of a TWW geek as TL2 because I know that comes from “Celestial Navigation”, first season.
by non sequitur on Nov 8, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
That is correct. The Pwesident has to be bwiefed.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Wouldn’t have happened if C.J. had been nuts for dental hygiene.
by non sequitur on Nov 8, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
Sam warned her. Josh’s press briefing is still one of my favorite West Wing moments of all time.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
He got his ass so thoroughly handed to him. That was hilarious.
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Danny’s smirk at the end was priceless.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
I think my favorites were In Excelsis Deo and Two Cathedrals.
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Good choices. “Two Cathedrals” is one of the best hours of scripted drama ever produced.
It’s difficult for me to pick a favorite. “Evidence of Things Not Seen” is easily near the top, as is “Noel.” “Take This Sabbath Day” is one of the great early episodes, and I also like “20 Hours in America.”
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
“Nöel” is near my top, too. Also “17 People”.
by non sequitur on Nov 8, 2011 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
Ooh. “17 People” is fantastic.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Yeah, I was thinking about how they seemed to shift from a single interesting issue in the early episodes to more of a regular storyline after. I wish there’d been enough material for them to have continued with the earlier format; the novelty of it was really striking.
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Also, I’m now done watching TWW. I went ahead and spoiled myself and looked up the broad overviews of seasons 5-7, and I’m perfectly happy that I didn’t watch them. Also, I can’t believe that John Spencer is actually dead. :(
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In my heart, he lives forever. I stopped collecting the DVDs with season five, so I tend not to dwell on the final two.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Whatever, elitists
Vinick was the best character on the show.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I’m honestly surprised to hear you say that.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
I liked seasons 5-7 just fine
I know we’re all supposed to dislike them because Sorkin left, but whatevs.The election season was the best one of the series.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I liked “The Supremes”, though, and more precisely William Fichtner’s guest turn.
by non sequitur on Nov 8, 2011 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed. “The Supremes” was a standout of the fifth season.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
I liked “Slow News Day”, too. But yeah, that was a pretty weak season overall.
by non sequitur on Nov 8, 2011 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
It’s not that I didn’t like the latter seasons because Sorkin left. I didn’t like them because they were melodramatic crap. Kill Fitz (and nearly Donna)? Josh and Toby get into a physical altercation in the West Wing itself? O HAI, E.R.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Season Five was the worst. Season Six and Seven were good once I accepted that the show had changed. It definitely improved, just became something else. They sapped all the humor out of it and just let the actors act.
I took it as
If you were doing a job like that for 5 years, you’d start to crack too. There’s a reason people don’t usually last that long in the White House.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
That was one of the amusing ironies of the show, that its White House staff was far more stable than the real world White House staff. How many chiefs of staff did Bill Clinton have, 109?
by non sequitur on Nov 8, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
I forgot about the fight.
I remember being so mad when I saw that preview, but I thought they earned that moment. At least, they did a better job with it than I thought they would.
This subthread has only confirmed my belief that I was right to peace out halfway through the 4th season and skip seasons 5-7 entirely.
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Do yourself a favor
Watch season 7.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
If acapella isn’t your thing.
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Personally I thought the second half of drug-resistant tuberculosis (aka season 6) was not bad, too.
by non sequitur on Nov 8, 2011 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
Leo is the only chief for my staff.
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He's in season 7 a lot
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
But not as the chief of staff.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
There isn't a ton of stuff happening in Bartlett land anyway
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Are you as turned on as I am right now?
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
I’m going to assume this is a quotation.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
It’s not. I was making an oblique reference to a Moonlighting-esque sexual tension between GP and myself, based on our near-constant disagreement.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
I'm so uncomfortable
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
For Pete’s sake. I’m not being serious.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Sooooo uncomfortable
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
If there is any time we need Awkwardboner it is now.
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intheass
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
GiantPainInTheAss
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C.J.
Sir, that leaves us with the televised classroom, the green beans…
JOSH
The stamp.
C.J.
…the stamp, and depending on who those people were that were standing near me, the possibility of a story about me being good in bed.
TOBY
[suddenly looks up] Good in bed?
C.J.
Yes.
TOBY
Why?
C.J.
Because I am.
No, there wasn’t. The last season-and-a-half was basically Josh and Barack Obama Matt Santos on the campaign trail.
by non sequitur on Nov 8, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
He’s not reported to his trainer yet. I think Pablo’s dedicated to getting in shape. I wish I was confident enough to tell you not to worry.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
I think he tweeted that it wasn’t a done deal yet.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
The last tweets I saw from panda [again in Spanish so hopefully my translation is right] were that he was on his way to Arizona to begin workouts and that he wouldn’t decide anything about Venezuela until early December.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
OK, I heard the team gave him permission, not whether he was going.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Here’s the working out tweet
KFP48
Good Morning my followers .. Beautiful morning in AZ – Operation Panda begin again today , time to get better for next Season.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
and here’s [one of] the Venezuela tweets
KFP48
Para la fanaticada en Vzla , les informo que para los Primeros dias de Diciembre estare tomando mi decision acerca de si juego o no en Vzla.
Roughly translated: to my fans in Venezuela, I’ll let you know at the beginning oF December whether or not I’ve decided to play in Venezuela.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I’m glad Pablo’s thinking about getting in shape again, but I’m disheartened to see that he hasn’t stayed in shape. The fact that “Operation Panda” has to begin again shows me that Pablo doesn’t have the right perspective about weight loss and fitness.
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
I still think the dude needs to see a good endocrinologist.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Bome people can be overweight and still be fit. It’s possible Panda’s issues in 2010 were psychological (divorce, fire, etc.) and/or eyesight related. Another year will tell.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Yeah, I just know I struggle with a weight thing and I really don’t rate the Giants medical staff any higher than I do Kaisers.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
But your livelihood isn't tied in with your weight
nor do you have 24/7 access to someone to yell at you.
I refuse to worry about Panda with so many other issues on this team.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I RESERVE THE RIGHT TO FREAK OUT ABOUT EVERYTHING
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
WELL I HOPE SO, YOU AGREED TO THAT WHEN YOU ACCEPTED THE MEMBERSHIP TERMS OF THIS BLOG!
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I KNOW
THAT’S WHY I PAID THE EXTRA $5 A MONTH FOR MCCOVEY CHRONICLES PREMIUM
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
Wait
you pay $5? Why is Grant charging me $15?
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I’ve got HUGE bones right TL2?
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
I didn’t get to find out.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
I want to be friends with him, so we’re kinda of getting to know each other. But I’m nowhere near ready to get into another relationship right now.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
YOU SAID YOU DIDNT WANT A GLASS OF WATER
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
I DIDN’T KNOW WE WERE USING A CODE
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
No glass of water?
Well about this tall drink of water?
You gotta lay it on thicker so he knows it’s code. Yes, lay it on thicker.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 8, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
You need to grab your crotch to remove all doubt.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
Nah
Grab his crotch. That’ll remove all doubt.
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That could cause confusion
“Are you asking me if I want my penis, which you have described as a tall drink of water?”
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 8, 2011 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
Thinking about a self-motivated Pablo dedicating himself to improving his physical fitness is giving me half a chubby.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
LOL
HardballTalk Hardball Talk
The Giants aren’t going to try to re-sign Carlos Beltran http://dlvr.it/vCHbX #mlb #hbt
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
I believe nothing
until I see a Beltran press conference with him in a hat and uni.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
but rosterbation!
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Hawt
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
I was expecting way more TWSS for this comment. Rosterbation season sux.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
You mean like this?
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
This is still Heyman
/lines birdcage with Heyman reports
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
DON MATTINGLY – HALL OF FAME
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 8, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
I hated that headline.
They turned Heyman’s “probably out” tweet into “aren’t going to.” Doubt it was intentionally deceptive, but that’s almost what it felt like.
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 8, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
OT - Southpaw BBQ
Southpaw BBQ
A Mission barbecue joint with its own microbrewery
Proving lefties can do more than just be hilariously awkward while trying to use scissors is Southpaw BBQ, the Mish’s new smokehouse-cum-brewery run by two guys and a girl (but weirdly, not a pizza place), and sporting a Southern-y vibe via growler light fixtures, a live-edge 20-seat Claro walnut bar, antique redwood communals, and a space-time-continuum-altering seven-barrel microbrewing facility.
Another view:
http://sf.eater.com/archives/2011/07/13/soutpaw.php
Opens Thursday (disclaimer: not involved, blahx3)
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
The Mish?
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
I’m familiar with the neighborhood, but The Mish, really? Were I standing on Mission and 17th and used that phrase, I would half expect to be punched in the face.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
If I were still living at 17th and Mission, I would likely have obliged.
SIDENOTE: Man, that was a long time ago.
by BestHyperboleEver on Nov 8, 2011 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
I was sure you knew, but figured others from the far-flung corners off McC would not.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
I’ll wave next time I stop by.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
I would half expect to be punched in the face
Also, it seems shooting people is much more in vogue lately. Two gunned down at 16th and Hoff the other night at ~11pm.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
I preferred the days when stabbing was the cool trend.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
/gets misty thinking about the good old stabbing days
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
So the New Mutants just rented a house on Mission
and I swear it looks like a fully detached Victorian. Do those houses exist on Mission?
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
"smokehouse-cum-brewery "
I’ll take #1 and #3, but will skip #2
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Zito's culinary empire has just begun.
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
Diggin' it.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Nov 8, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
No mention of Bochy KNBR?
"I’m not gonna hide from it. Barry Zito is our fifth starter next year."
Not liking this at all. At least make Mr. 84 MPH compete with somebody
Mentioned.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Bochy said that?
If so, he doesn’t sound very enthusiastic about it. As much as Bochy loves his veteran position players, I don’t think he’s ever been much of a fan of Zito.
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
I WANT GAGE FROM SEANCODY
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
Nice choice. I’m a Dylan man.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Actually I’m a Travis fanboy from Corbin Fisher but it’s too expensive.
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
He’s not so much my speed. But CF and Sean Cody rarely hire my guys, anyway.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
I WANT YOU TO WANT ME
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
MOMMY'S ALRIGHT DADDY'S ALRIGHT
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 8, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
THEY JUST SEEM A LITTLE WEIRD
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
booo
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I prefer Jamey Carroll.
Heck, I’d like them both. Sanchez gets injured enough that the depth would be useful.
Look, Alex Gonzalez is not going to be expensive at all next year.
He posted a 3.2 WAR two seasons ago and cratered last year.
He’s a good buy-low opportunity at a position at which we have very little depth, somewhat similar to Uribe last season.
I’d actually like the Giants to sign Gonzalez and Carroll, pencil Carroll in as a starter, and think of Gonzalez as a hopeful flash-in-the-pan.
Oh, great
let’s by all means get a 38-year-old washed up SS. It wouldn’t be the Giants without one!
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
i still miss Omar .......
:(
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
by GIANT stoner on Nov 8, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
me too, oh for a time machine…
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
LOLU
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
Reyes Watch 2012
Reyes will probably get an AAV of somewhere around 17 or 18 million.
If they’d paid a couple minor leaguers the minimum instead of signing Lopez and Affeldt, they’d have 8 million. If they’d just non-tendered Sanchez, that’d be another 6 or 7. That’s 14ish million freed up.
We’re only one or two dumb moves away from the amount of money it would have cost to get Reyes into the 2012 payroll!
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
hey, that's great
then we would have an effed up Rowand like contract for a guy who is perpetually massaging his rubberband hamstrings on the DL AND nobody to get out lefties in the late innings. The more I think about a deal for Reyes, the more I am okay with a Caroll/Crawford/Fonte combo at SS and focus on a OBP/speed guy like Crisp who isn’t going to kill the payroll as much hitting leadoff.
"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard
by Penitentiary Face on Nov 8, 2011 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
Cain comes off next year, Lincecum after (barring resigns)
80 mil estimated with arb is comitted to 2013 (minus Cain), and 40 mil to 2014
by Myemail21479 on Nov 8, 2011 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
Just curious, do you think there's someone here reading this that isn't familiar with your opinion on this?
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
No idea.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I'm sure the Giants know more about this than we do!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The Giants have someone following GP.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Due diligence
They’re kicking the tires on him.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 8, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
Front office spy
is that in the budget, part of the rainy day fund?
"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard
by Penitentiary Face on Nov 8, 2011 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
Fla in big, Mets holding the line at 5 years, Philly not committed yet because of J-Roll, Washington the dark horse stupid money, Atlanta busy freeing up money by punting Lowe.
That’s the east.
Mil no-go on Fielder, in on Reyes. Cincy might be interested. Cubs are no, Cards are no if Pujols but suddenly yes if no Pujols.
8 teams and the Gints. You think there isn’t a 7th year out there? This is going straight for Zito/Werth/Wells 7/126. My prediction is its Washington.
7/126 is a 18 million AAV.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Milwakee
The Viking can go back to hitting 4th or 5th
by Myemail21479 on Nov 8, 2011 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
Beltran to Boston?
@SI_JonHeyman
Jon Heyman
#redsox interested in carlos beltran. #giants likely out after getting melky. competing exec predict 2-yr deal w/ bos
—
I see a problem with this… an AL team is likely to lock up Beltran with a long term DH contract, not a two year whimper.
Additionally, Sanchez for Cabrera is the baseball equivalent of a credit default swap. It’s Zito for Soriano but less pathetic.
Have you seen the Marlins new uniform?
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
Please, Dbacks. Save us from ourselves
nickpiecoro Nick Piecoro
Dbacks still haven’t given up on bringing Bloomquist back. Heard there was dialogue Sunday and Monday.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
D-Backs: Hey, Willie, we're exercising our side of the option.
Willie: No, I believe I shall get a more lucrative deal on the open market.
D-Backs: Hey, Henry (Blanco), we're exercising our side of the option - (option was for $1.15 million)
Henry: No, I believe I will opt out
D-Backs: Hey Henry, could we interest you in a $90K a year raise?
Henry: Where do I sign?
"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard
by Penitentiary Face on Nov 8, 2011 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
Anyone who does not believe that Sanchez’ lack of mental fortitude was not a significant part of his problems the last few years does not watch the games.
He was the Giants’ Nuke Laloosh.
by Clark woulda had it on Nov 8, 2011 10:42 AM PST reply actions
funny you call it rare since somebody wasted about 50 posts of our time debating it 2 pages ago.
by Clark woulda had it on Nov 8, 2011 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
I would have called it medium-well, but it was still all pink and bloody on the inside.
WHY IS MELKY
Mayor of Smug.
omg my sister on my birthday ordered her steak
“not medium, but not medium well, a little short of medium well, maybe a bit more than medium medium.”
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
This reminds me of when they found a whole new color between sand and oatmeal.
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
Remember, it’s:
Tofu, Putty, Oatmeal, Almond, Harvest Wheat and Buff.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Harvest Wheat. That was it. Between Almond and Buff.
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
what about dun or drab?
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Nov 8, 2011 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
So…Eli Whiteside is Crash Davis…who is Annie?
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
CORRECT!
NO ONE TALKING ABOUT THE GIANTS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE OFFSEASON WATCHES THE GIANTS!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
I watched all the games and don't believe that.
Do I not exist? Did I ever? What is love?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Well, you’re a closet Aspie, so, you know …
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
I'm quite normal in person
Ask xanthan, he’s met me!
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Xanthan has met GiantPain and he is us!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
GP and xanthan
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
GP is playing pocket pool
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
Here's a more recent photo of them interacting
WHY IS MELKY
Mayor of Smug.
by rotorueter on Nov 8, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions 10 recs
This comment should also be recommended for funny
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
rec
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
That's freaking brilliant
Rec’d
And when I say “rec’d”, I actually mean it
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
hawtt
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
YES
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
Logical Spock is watching Xanthan masturbate
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
/actual laughing, rec
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
Warlock
Doug no longer has emotions.
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
It was me, you, Roger, and Brute
I’m pretty normal for that crowd. (jk guys)
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
A computer’s word on this matter is not the most ringing endorsement.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
I would challenge your powers of observation, yes
by Clark woulda had it on Nov 8, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
I would challenge yours.
Are we even now?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Because their butts look good in baseball pants.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 8, 2011 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
Honestly, what else is watching the games good for but ogling athletes in their kit?
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
/Pain claims uncomfortability
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Maybe he should try on some comfy baseball pants.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 8, 2011 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
Zito likes ’em tighter than comfortable.
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
Timmy does whatever feels good at the time, man.
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
shift-A
I am secretly glad I have too much work to do to think about baseball very much, because if I did, I would be very depressed right now.
OH GOD I just remembered
Raul Ibanez is still out there
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
He had 84, 83, and 93 RBIs the last 3 years
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
2012 outfield
LF Ibanez
CF Bloomquist
RF Melky
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Nov 8, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
Even if Cabrera regresses to his norm...
That the Giants managed to acquire a player under the age of 35 for once makes this one of my favorite trades in recent memory. No more Tejadas!
California Leaguers beware: Chris Gloor will strike you out faster than you can say "Quinnipiac", or he would have if he had pitched more than five innings this year before getting hurt...
by crazedcrustacean on Nov 8, 2011 10:51 AM PST reply actions
Also on KNBR this morning
There was talk of Oswaldt coming here.
Something about spending a year in a pitcher friendly park [yes I know, I didn’t say it someone on KNBR did] so he could get his numbers up and then look for a big $$$$ contract for 2013.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I'll be he does want to play here
considering how the Giants have magically beat up on him for some reason.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
nifty/celebrities/oswalt-pitches-astros.txt
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
Thank God I’m not at work right now.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Que? Chevron withdrawing its support?
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
Election Day. I typically go in later, because I’ll be in late tonight hosting election coverage.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
WOOT WOOT ELECTIONS
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
I should hire Person as our freelance election analyst.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
At the very least he should be your maps consultant.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
sue them for false advertisement.
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
by GIANT stoner on Nov 8, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
That would be awesome. At our precinct, they don’t even have the stickers anymore.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
THE PIE IS A LIE
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
I would love for that to happen
but Oswalt’s back is a big concern.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Bochy already (reluctantly) put Zito back in the rotation
Oswalt isn’t going to sign with the Giants
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
What they say and what they do aren’t always the same thing.
Bowker starting right fielder
“We’re not trading Benitez”
Eugenio Velez is the cornerstone…
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I get a feeling that all of the “Well, if the Giants get Melky to save money and get Beltran, I like the move” people, are soon going to be crying.
Ask me about my blog.
by xanthan on Nov 8, 2011 11:07 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I think I'd be cool with that.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
It would make the team better next year.
After that, glerk, but I could plug my nose and deal. Like the Rowand move!
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 8, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
I mean, the thing is
I’d be perfectly happy with Rollins on a 3 year, 35 million contract. Am I going to get super worked up about an extra year at 7 million? Nah.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I would not cry at 1 more top 10 free agent
Back loaded deal or whatever.
Giants acting like they are putting up a 125 million dollar team… they are putting up a 95-100 million dollar team with Zito and Rowand chewing up 30 mil in garbage signings.
by Myemail21479 on Nov 8, 2011 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
If 2010 was some sort of magical starting point
where we win the WS every other year, I’d TOTALLY be ok with that!
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
depending on the off years,
we could pass the Yankees for most ever!
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
Why can't the Sharks front office run the Giants?
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
we would still be waiting for a WS then.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
BOOM
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 8, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
Because they'd sign hockey players and this is a baseball team!
I mean, that wouldn’t go very well at all.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
mmm ryane clowe
mmm joe thornton
mmm
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
A very sleepy Ryan Clowe was on KNBR this morning.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Oh, man. I have a thing for sleepy guys.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
They might have put the podcast up on KNBR.com. He was too sleepy, I ended up turning it off.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Hey, how YOU doZZZZZZZZZZZ
I got back from Austin TX last night at 1. I’m useless today at work.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Nov 8, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
Going there Thursday
My reunion with 6th Street is long overdue.
Proud adoptee of Dick Tidrow the mastermind behind Tim Lincecum, Matt Cain, Buster Posey and many more. Also known as "The Reason".
6th shewed a little college-y for my tastes, though there were some good spots. Loved Lovejoy’s Taproom. Lustre Pearl, too, a few blocks south of the strip.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Nov 8, 2011 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
Before I realized it was Austin I was like ‘I was there last week and it’s still a crime ridden shithole’.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
Where?
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Nov 8, 2011 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
Sixth and Mission.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
The University of Eight-Ball and Smack
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 8, 2011 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
Strangely, it’ll still be more cost effective than your local state school!
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I’m pretty good at converting grams to fractional ounces.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
This place just opened on Mission near 6th. Havent been yet. http://www.aq-sf.com/
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
I made the mistake of reading the menu and now I’m all hungry.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
until they combine for 6 points against the Sharks
by Clark woulda had it on Nov 8, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
Truth
The writing is on the wall. They are just kidding themselves at this point.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
What if I'm...
"Well, if the Giants get Melky to save money and get Beltran, Rollins, Furcal, Reyes or Carroll, I like the move" people?
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Yeah
If this team has to move guys off the roster to save money for the likes of Carroll, the RDF is even bigger than we all thought.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t disagree with you but I would like to start my griping later and when there is absolute proof.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
OT: Smokey Joe dies and Eagles lose on the same night .........
coincidence? i think so.
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
The Eagles are living up to their “Dream Team” image, aren’t they? lol.
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
by GIANT stoner on Nov 8, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
Smoky Joe Wood died?
What was he, 120?
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
Am I a bad person in pointing out the irony
that a guy whose nickname is connected to smoke died from cancer?
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
In all seriousness,
it did take me a second when I saw a headline something like “Smokin’ Joe dies of cancer.” My initial reaction was “freakin’ duh.” But then I remembered who he was, and felt like an ass.
In the ass.
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
DOWN GOES FRAZIER
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
I wasn't sure about breadfan7
But you definitely are a bad person. And so am I for laughing.
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
Pardon me for being angry at the Giants for trading away a lefty pitcher
My guess, Sanchez is gonna end up being pretty good.
Pitching and defense wins championships, but oh those dingerz....
I'll bet nearly everyone here has said "Sanchez is gonna end up being pretty good"
Over time, many of us have lost confidence in that ever happening to the point where it’s nor more unlikely than likely
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
So was Melky in 2011
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He’s been pretty good. A six year career of basically league average-ish production (which includes his crappy year last year) is not bad.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
He is actually pretty bad again.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
I would have liked to have Sanchez
as a 5th or 4th starter over the next 2 or 3 years.
Pitching and defense wins championships, but oh those dingerz....
Shift+A
Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick, you folks are chatty. ;)
I can only hope this is the only offseason move Sabes makes, because I’ll need until the start of spring training to finish reading all the comments and threads that this trade generated.
"The definition of insanity is startjng Orlando Cabrera over and over again and expecting different results"--Albert Einstein
Want a summary?
- The people who hate the trade are out-commenting the people who don’t
- GiantPain thinks we should sign Reyes
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Thanks
I can understand the dislike of Melky, the concern that last year was a fluke, and the annoyance at Sabean for not feeling out more teams and waiting deeper into the offseason to trade Dirty.
What I can’t understand is the belief that Dirty was going to put together a 20-win, Cy Young season one of these days. It seemed pretty obvious that what you see is what you get with him. His potential always outpaced the reality. I’ll always appreciate his contributions to the Giants, but he was truly their one expendable trading asset at this point.
"The definition of insanity is startjng Orlando Cabrera over and over again and expecting different results"--Albert Einstein
What I can’t understand is the belief that Dirty was going to put together a 20-win, Cy Young season one of these days.
I don’t believe anyone who is against this trade has said anything of the sort.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
Fair point
I have lots of comments to read through. My perception from scanning was that Sanchez was being somewhat overvalued by folks here. Perhaps I’m way off-base.
"The definition of insanity is startjng Orlando Cabrera over and over again and expecting different results"--Albert Einstein
There was one post
about the 7 Cy Youngs Sanchez was going to win. But I think it may have been chasm.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Sanchez will be a steal for someone
but Giants won’t get anyone good for him. He’s a cy young candidate if he can get his walks down.
by zenbitz on Nov 5, 2011 10:43 AM PDT
Why don't you mention the second post?
….Not even counting the possibility of breakout to acedom.
POSSIBILITY.
The statement I quoted was a qualified statement. ("if he can get his walks down")
There’s the same implication of possibility rather than surety in a given qualified statement.
I didn’t give a false impression of zenbitz’s opinion at all.
but... but.. it
[Poory Wrought THING] is what Brian Sabean would have made if he were a [THING-maker] instead of a MLB GM
kind of a big if
i mean, you could rewrite it to say Jonathan Sanchez could win a Cy Young if he stopped being bad at the parts of the game Jonathan Sanchez was bad at.
And FWIW, it’s not the worst trade ever. It’s skinflinty though. Melky might have a couple years of average in him. At least he’s on the right side of 30 for a change.
[Poory Wrought THING] is what Brian Sabean would have made if he were a [THING-maker] instead of a MLB GM
!!!! My favorite waitress is apparently back !!!!
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
I don't have non creepy ones
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
by jctGamer on Nov 8, 2011 12:23 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
We’re okay with that.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
Make sure you read my sig before clicking
http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/591055/viewall
That’s her.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
I tried
Block reason: Forbidden Category “Adult/Mature Content”
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 8, 2011 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
Alright I"ll steal one from her facebook
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
Thanks for the effort!
She looks like a very nice lady.
/stamped approved.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 8, 2011 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
I want to take the opportunity to say that I am in no way stalking anyone
just…appreciating from afar.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
You’ve been a waitress’ facebook page.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 8, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
I get it.
I’m facebook friends with lots of bartenders and cocktail waitresses. It’s not creepy, it’s just social.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 8, 2011 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
heh
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Four letter word
J-o-b-b
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 8, 2011 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
/GP feels uncomfortable
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
I do.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
What the actual hell.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
GP comes from a simpler time
When mothers worked, sons cleaned, and you were embarrassed about sexuality.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 8, 2011 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
THIS waitress??
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
by GIANT stoner on Nov 8, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
JctGamer = Charlie?
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I don’t know but I"ll find out at lunch!
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
DON'T
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 8, 2011 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
Tip her big!
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
He doesn’t want to come off as cheap.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
How’s things with 2nd floor girl?
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
At a stand still. Haven’t run in to her. And I haven’t taken the initiative to head to her place of work.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
Shitty.
Maybe it’s time for some actual stocking (not really).
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
It is flu season. It would show I’m thinking of her.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
It took a while, and I made sure to wash my hands first, but I picked out all the letter that aren’t in your name and he surplus letters that are in your name. You can spell your name 7 times. Try it. Oh, also, do you want to go out on a date with me?
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 8, 2011 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
Put her on a shelf!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
OT - R.I.P.
Dunno about any other SF folks, but I saw this dude play at a few BART stations around town. Per my FB feed, he took his life last night.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 8, 2011 11:30 AM PST reply actions
Whoa! I've heard him in the Montgomery BART countless times
Always singing like Johnny Cash, except for one time a couple of months ago, where he was singing something that basically made me think he’s lost his mind (it was mostly manical laughter). I saw him a couple times singing Johnny Cash again, but it was more rare.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Ah, shit. That guy was pretty awesome.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
R.I.P. continued from last week's thread
G.W.A.R. is continuing their tour, though they are retiring Flattus Maximus.
This Friday night (Veterans Day 11-11-11) at the Regency in San Francisco…
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 8, 2011 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
FanGraphs Top 15 Giants Prospects
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
On Panik:
If he can keep similar ratios moving upwards, he’ll be an excellent No. 2 hitter.
MIDDLE INFIELDER MUST HIT 2ND!
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
I hate this as much as anyone
But
Brown
Panik
Sandoval
Posey
Belt
2013 1-5 in the lineup?
A man can dream. Melky’s 7 year extension might interfere.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
The difference is Panik actually does profile as an ideal No. 2 hitter. Of course, so does Belt.
by BestHyperboleEver on Nov 8, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
An ideal #2 hitter is just a good hitter.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Yup
Although, if I had an ideal #2 hitter it would be a LOT different than Panik. Low average, high walks, doubles power would be my ideal #2 hitter.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
Well, the idea is a batter who sees a lot of pitches but isn’t into the whole contact = life thing. Ideally, you have leadoff hitter that gets on base and is a good base stealer, so you’d like a batter hitting 2nd who isn’t going to hit into double plays and will give the leadoff man plenty of chances to run.
But low average isn’t a requirement, just a likelihood in that scenario.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
Ideally my leadoff hitter wouldn’t be a base stealer. I’d put the base stealer further down the lineup to hit in front of the crappy hitters who can’t knock someone in from first base.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 8, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
Base stealing is as beneficial in front of your typical 3/4 hitters than it is in front of your typical 7/8 hitters. So you shouldn’t base your #2 hitter on his ability to let the lead off hitter steal.
I agree with not a lot of double plays. So I guess a lower contact, higher BB guy would fit there.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
Well, the idea too is that a doubles power guy is knocking in your leadoff from 1B.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
liar
Your pro-steal anti-double agenda has been known around these parts for some time, now.
WHY IS MELKY
Mayor of Smug.
‘traditional’ number two hitter.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
And the ideal #8 hitter is just a good hitter. And the ideal #4. Seriously?
I don’t know why, but this answer really annoys me. Of course, the ideal #2 hitter is a good hitter. But there are various types of good hitters that slot into a complete lineup in different places based on their relative skill set.
Jose Reyes and Albert Pujols are both good hitters. Are they both ideally suited for the #2 position?
by BestHyperboleEver on Nov 8, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
Deckchairs
I don’t believe how a lineup is constructed means all that much.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
Well you want your best hitters to hit as often as possible, so your #2 hitter is seen to be at worst your 3rd best hitter behind your lead off hitter and clean up.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
I thought the theory was that your best hitters should be at 2 & 3 with a bias towards OBP towards the top.
by BestHyperboleEver on Nov 8, 2011 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
A lot of studies have said that your #3 hitter should be your 4th or 5th best hitter (toss up between the 3rd and 5th spot pending on how much of his value comes from hitting HR).
Your #3 hitter comes up the most times with nobody on and 2 outs, which is the worst time to hit.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
Things I don't like
Joseph’s defense has improved.
Sanchez held his own in AAA? I don’t think that means what he thinks it means.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
I also hate that Joseph's defense has improved.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Crap
Really poorly worded on my part.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
He also mentioned that Panik's bat wilted in the AFL
Not that the AFL means much, but even so I’m not sure about this article.
I wish we had a beat writer like Sam MIller
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
His thoughts on Bourjos for Wright
Credibility as a trade: Oh, man, it’d be so crazy stupid.
Profanity I would use if the trade happened: ************* **** ****
http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/11/8/2547431/barry-zito-san-francisco-giants-fifth-starter
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
Yes
The Giants finally won the World Series. Now what?
by jordanovich on Nov 8, 2011 11:56 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
In the Cal League.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
LOL
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
There are not enough amphetamines for him to do this.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
He used ARod’s batting cage!
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
PITCHING MACHINES OWNED BY SOME PEOPLE ARE BETTER THAN THE SAME MACHINES OWNED BY OTHERS!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
SHIFT-AYYYY
Have I missed any good subthreads during lunch?
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Shift A
So after more deep thought, there is something else I do not like about this trade; here is a list of free agent SP this offseason"
Starting Pitchers
Mark Buehrle CWS
Bruce Chen KC
Aaron Cook COL *
Kyle Davies TOR
Ryan Dempster CHC *
Justin Duchscherer OAK
Zach Duke ARI *
Jeff Francis KC
Freddy Garcia NYY
Jon Garland LAD
Aaron Harang SD
Rich Harden OAK
Livan Hernandez WAS
Edwin Jackson STL
Kenshin Kawakami ATL
Scott Kazmir LAA
Hiroki Kuroda LAD
Rodrigo Lopez CHC
Paul Maholm PIT
John Maine COL
Jason Marquis WAS
Kevin Millwood NYY
Scott Olsen PIT *
Roy Oswalt PHI *
Brad Penny DET
Oliver Perez NYM
Joel Pineiro LAA
CC Sabathia NYY (may opt out)
Carlos Silva NYY
Javier Vazquez FLA
Adam Wainwright STL *
Tim Wakefield BOS
Chien-Ming Wang WAS
Brandon Webb ARI
C.J. Wilson TEX
Chris Young NYM
That’s a whole lot of not so good. The best pitcher on there is CJ Wilson, then Mark Buehrle, then…?
This trade reminds me a lot of signing Tejada to start the offseason like Sabes did last year. He did not wait to let any market develop and see what else he could have gotten.
It might have been a better idea to wait on the FA market a bit, see where the top guys went, then try to move Sanchez. I find it hard to believe that Sanchez would not be better than most of the pitchers on the above list.
Second year in a row Sabes has made the first move of the offseason, when he could have benefited from some patience.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Adam Wainwright STL
MOON LANDING? BEAR GRYLLS!
by Anonymous1337 on Nov 8, 2011 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
oh god no, please no!
"I never stop being amazed by how much people who hate stats because they’re "flawed" quote so much more obviously flawed stats. " -Joe Posnanski
by RichHerreraHomer on Nov 8, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
When selling goods of questionable value, it’s preferable to have motivated buyers. It might have been better to wait until some desperation set in.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
I think Sabean just likes to get deals made before the annual confabs because he hates being in crowds and he’s socially awkward enough that he probably alienates all the other GMs in person. Best just to deal from his RAZR in the safety of the bowels of AT&T Park.
"RAZR"?
I think you misspelled “Commodore 64”.
"The definition of insanity is startjng Orlando Cabrera over and over again and expecting different results"--Albert Einstein
This was my fantasy team name last year
The first six innings are overrated.
Just sign Oliver Perez.
Then we’ll have Jonathan Sanchez back with a lower price tag.
by BestHyperboleEver on Nov 8, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
Nope
because the Giants were not going to offer Sanchez arbitration and the other teams likely know this. Thus, waiting would have diminished Sanchez’s trade value even further.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
everyone seems to be overvaluing Sanchez, however
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
and Torres
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
At least you are consistent.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
That’s fine. I think you’re doing the same thing with Melky.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Maybe but I don’t think a regression to a 2-3 WAR player is unreasonable.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
What are you regressing with though? League average? His career averages? Again, if you go with a 3/2/1 weighted average of his previous years, he’s probably going to put up a 101 wRC+. With a -4 to -5 position + defense adjustment, that’s probably a 1.5 fWAR player.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Yeah, but people are also overvaluing Torres: If you regress his numbers to.. oh, wait, in less than 400 PA last year he put up 2.1 fWAR.
Basically Torres would have to hit like he did in 2003 in 59 games with the Tigers to be worth what we expect Melky to be worth.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 8, 2011 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
zips
projects him as 2.7 WAR in 2012/ 106 OPS+. No distribution yet (i.e, is that a bunch of regressions mixed in with some 6 WAR seasons as well)
Cabrera was bad in 2010 but had some promising years and is 27.
[Poory Wrought THING] is what Brian Sabean would have made if he were a [THING-maker] instead of a MLB GM
When did he have promising years? In 2006 when he was slightly below average? in 2007 when he was slightly above replacement? You can’t mean 2008 when he was replacement level or 2010 when he was below replacement. Do you mean 2009 when he was slightly below average?
He had one good year and it’s oozing with flukiness.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 8, 2011 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
In the context of that list
Don’t you think he is in the top third at least?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
You could make an argument
that he would top that list. A flimsy one, but it could be made.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
Zito is going to have an All-Star 2012 season.
I will wager one dollar on that.
MOON LANDING? BEAR GRYLLS!
i'll take it a couple steps further by saying...
he’ll win the Cy, MVP, and Comeback player
i’ll put down my lifetime supply of pocket lint on that
i want to believe
MOON LANDING? BEAR GRYLLS!
by Anonymous1337 on Nov 8, 2011 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
Considering the pressure on the starting pitchers this year
another year of no runs will finally break them.
and arent a couple of our starting pitchers looking at contracts right now?
i wouldnt sign on for this mess if i didnt have to.
bad enough that i as a fan have to watch this next year and pray that the other team doesnt get one run. i bet cain and timmy are through with praying for help
I’ll try to bring it back tomorrow. I just didn’t have time today.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
You were supposed to say: “Upgrade to McC Platinum you cheapskate!”
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
I think I was too rattled by the sudden love for subpar West Wing seasons to think of a witty retort.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Resolved: “Using A-Rod’s batting cage” is the new “Canyon Tossing”
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
WOOOOO Burlesconi is stepping down!!!
As a study abroad student in rome, this makes me sooo happy.
An Italian American may be on his way out at Penn State.
by non sequitur on Nov 8, 2011 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
Miscellania
When I was a “study” abroad student in Rome we went to Miscellania 3 nights a week. When it was in the old location. Trevi and a bottle of wine on a nice night too, just don’t throw your friends girlfriend in the fountain, Carabinieri on your ass fast!
Also please have a cappuccino at Cafe Greco for me. Drool.
Giants get Reyes!
JohnSheaHey John Shea
Giants hire Carl Kochan as strength, conditioning coach, Anthony Reyes as an ass’t trainer. Both were at AAA Fresno. Groeschner still boss.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
FFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I HOPE THAT'S THE ONLY REYES WE GET
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
as a trainer in the ass?
That’s how I read the abbreviation, thanks to the fine folks at this website.
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
hey GP
I am going to be in Manassas Virginia at the end of the month for a day.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
by jctGamer on Nov 8, 2011 12:30 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Cool!
That’s kinda far for a hangout, but if you end up closer to DC, we can get a beer or something.
I think xanthan is actually closer to there, but I forget exactly where he’s at.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I usually end up having dinner in dc
I ate at the fogo de chao last time I was there
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
by jctGamer on Nov 8, 2011 12:36 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
This ought to be interesting
The Rockies have expressed interest in free agent starters Kevin Millwood, Rich Harden, and Bruce Chen, according to Troy E. Renck of the Denver Post. They’ll also be exploring the trade market.
Millwood actually pitched well for the Roxs last year ( I did not even know he pitched for them)
Harden had a 1.9 HR/9 IP last year in Oakland
Chen has a career HR/9 of 1.6.
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2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Interesting discussion about Type A
from Olney via Mlbtraderumor
Olney says one unresolved question is whether Type A adjustments would be made for the 2012 season or for ’13. I think some teams would cry foul if the changes were made for ’12. At any rate, Olney is optimistic for a labor agreement within the next two weeks.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/11/owners-players-union-discussing-possible-type-a-solutions.html
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2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
also
biceps tendinitis can be a nasty condition, and we don’t know what the lasting effects of this for Sanchez will be, either
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
Williams for Kent
Vogelwhoever for Schmidt (smile)
Cabrera sucked, but it’s hard to say Neal was an overpay if he does a Justin Christian, has a cup of coffee and is kicked around the minors. Maybe he can be a regular 4th outfielder, but I don’t even see starting as his ceiling.
Williams for Kent was the first and greatest freakout of the Sabean era. “I AM NOT AN IDIOT!” became the classic line!
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
Funny how averaging 41 2B and 29 HR a year will change persepctive
My main point was… we don’t lose every trade. When we lose, it is okay to freak out (Pierzinsky anyone?) but they rarely show up as winners and losers until later.
I still would have liked to seen what Matty would have hit like having Barry 2.0 ahead or behind him in the lineup.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
You make it sound like Bonds was average between 1993 and 1996
oWAR: 9.5, 5.8, 6.1, and 9.8
oWAR (1997-2000): 7.3, 8.3, 4.5, and 8.2
He did hit insane mode after 2000.
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2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Yeah, I meant insane mode.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
nothing but nothing still matches acquiring Franchez for whatsisname
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
well, that Sabean interview kicked most of my hopes of keeping Beltran right in the nards.
Boo
by LosGigantesTodoElTiempo on Nov 8, 2011 12:52 PM PST reply actions
Which interview
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Will you make me call my gaolers and have you dragged away, you vile, scheming, evil bitch?
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
not while i’m rosterbating
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
Will you make me call my gaolers and have you dragged away, you vile, scheming, evil bitch?
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
I'm seeing a lot of potential starting lineups with Belt
Why? What makes you people think that Belt will be starting next year?
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Because Sabean and Bochy are way down on Huff
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Nah
Belt is the future.
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It's still early, we are semi-optimistic.
Also, they haven’t signed another OF yet. When that happens, then we will see less Belt in lineups.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
I am as mystified as you.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
There were people who seemed certain he would be starting in April of last year.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
Oh snap!
Sources close to Reyes report that he has consulted with Beltran about possibly teaming up and playing for the San Francisco Giants.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/11/beltran_reyes_talks.html
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
YAY SOURCES!!!
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
You bastard
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Haha
I had to get you back.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I HAD A DREAM THIS OFFSEASON WOULD BE
SO DIFFERENT FROM THIS HELL I’M LIVING
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Why would you do this?
Why?
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
If this happens
I will personally e-mail Brian Sabean a 4 page apology letter for every word I have spoken against him and stew and eat my ratty old Giants hat.
Fuck it. If this happens I’ll give up alcohol for the 2012 season. You hear me up there? The entire season.
Proud adoptee of Dick Tidrow the mastermind behind Tim Lincecum, Matt Cain, Buster Posey and many more. Also known as "The Reason".
Shift+A
How in the actual fuck did we manage to win a WS in 2010?
Did see who won the 2011 WS?
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2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
.....
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
so many teams are trying to "suck to get Luck."
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
So somebody on Tumblr reblogged Bernstein's take on the Lincecum non story
But what drew my eye was this assertion:
The Giants have a chance to seize control of the West Coast. There are three financial powers in the sport – the Yankees, Red Sox and Phillies. The Giants could become the marquee team in this part of the country with long-term success.
And I’m thinking, “This FO and ownership is too miserly for that.”
Please tell me I’m wrong.
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
CF: Melky > 2010 Torres
You mean 2011 Torres, right?
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
Beltran rage
Rosenthal and Heyman have me all worked up.
But my anger will soon turn to acceptance. 2010 was great, but now it’s back to mediocrity.
FUCK! Now Wheeler rage is rising…..rising…..
Rosenthal and Heyman have me all worked up.
Two east coast writers believing that Beltran will sign a 2 year deal to restore the SAWX to glory?
I’ll freak-out later.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 8, 2011 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
This
My read is that we have 15 days left until the free agency timeline expires. The Giants are letting the market set the bar for Reyes and Beltran.
In Carlos’ case, 2 years is about 3 short of what he wanted. If the best he gets is Boston offering him two, I can see him staying in SF. I still maintain that some AL team is going to offer him 5 years on the DL in the DH role for silly dollars.
In other news it's nice to see Baggs, you know, actually writing again
It fills a dark void in the middle of the interwebs.
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