Morning Overflow: Let's take a poll!
by Goofus on Nov 8, 2011 7:07 AM PST
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I’m mildly optimistic about Melky, but I can’t see this helping the team much, if at all. They now need for either Zito or Surkamp to pitch a lot better and for none of the other starters to get hurt.
I’m giving it a C. It kind of depends on what else they do. If this is to save some money for Beltran or Reyes, ok. If this is the big offensive move this offseason, no.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
by jponry on Nov 8, 2011 7:13 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
Yeah
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
This is where I am too. I also want Torres back as a defensive replacement at least. I would love a Belt, Melky, Beltran outfield until it’s late in the game with a lead.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
by rxmeister on Nov 8, 2011 7:22 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
he's still
a good pinch-running option, and no worse a basestealer than Ford or Burriss.
I don’t think the RDF has $2M for that, though. I forgot about Ford but he’s cheap and they seem to love him.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 8, 2011 7:29 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah. I’m pretty middlin’ on it. I’ll wait to see what other move they want to make. I see a decent possibility that they try to get [good player] and fail, leading to another season’s worth of “Sabean sucks because he didn’t get [good player]” followed by “But does he really? It isn’t his fault [good player] prefers [ballpark food from other team].” But he tried! But he didn’t get results!
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
by Ott on Nov 8, 2011 8:18 AM PST up reply actions
In more optimistic news
Fangraphs has a Giants top prospects list up!
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/top-15-prospects-san-francisco-giants/
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
The list of young players the Giants will mishandle in a few years? Oh goody!!!
I musta woke up on the wall side of the bed this morning… Maybe I’ll go take a pre-nap nap.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
The list of young players the Giants will mishandle in a few years?
No, it’s the list of players Sabes will trade for short term rentals.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
that was a joke right haha
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
That’s an interesting list.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Nov 8, 2011 7:42 AM PST up reply actions
I broadly agree with it
I think ToJo gets underrated ’round these parts. Fla ranks him below Susac, which I think is madness.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
HE SHOT MY SHINS OFF!
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 7:47 AM PST up reply actions
I was very pleased to see ToJo at 3.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Nov 8, 2011 8:48 AM PST up reply actions
I struggled between a B and C
I’ll vote B, giving them the benefit of the doubt that they know more about Sanchez and Torres than we do.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
The trade itself is a B
But my overall grade to the Giants in the offseason is C, incomplete. Show me at least 1 more 3+ WAR player.
On the other hand
they assured us that they knew more about Miguel Tejada’s defense than we did last year.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
by oldjacket on Nov 8, 2011 7:45 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Exactly
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 7:45 AM PST up reply actions
blog bias
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I was referring more to "between the ears" stuff
Like whether Sanchez is coachable and the chances of Torres recovering from whatever issues he’s going through
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
“So, how do you feel when someone sits on the couch instead?”
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 8, 2011 8:43 AM PST up reply actions
You know what's weird
For whatever reason, I was sure that the Giants were largely a strikeout/fly ball pitching staff. But it turns out that as a team, they’re really a strikeout/ground ball pitching staff. They had the fourth highest GB% and the third lowest FB%.
So maybe outfield defense doesn’t matter.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
oops
Some of those strikeouts just moved to KC.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 8, 2011 7:23 AM PST up reply actions
it didn't happen while he was up
but I do think that, given more time and not late in the season when he’d already passed his career high in innings, Surkamp should be able to rack up some Ks.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
That’s a dramatic shift from 2010. A lot of it is the bullpen, which is now the groundballiest in the majors.
So is the batting order!
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 8, 2011 7:30 AM PST up reply actions
I didn’t say it was a new phenomenon.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 8, 2011 7:41 AM PST up reply actions
I'll go with D
It’s not as bad as the other Cabrera trade, but it doesn’t make the team better.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
I'm in this line.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
coco seems pointless if we have melky
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
by jponry on Nov 8, 2011 7:29 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
CoCo is redundant
Especially if you want to get Beltran. You are pushing Belt and\or Nate out of the lineup.
Beltran would be okay since he would be a good upgrade to either of those OF
Reyes and Jroll are better since they are major upgrades to a need.
And there’s no chance the Giants sign Beltran + one of those shortstops.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
dude
Crispell is quite obviously a Crispian.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 8, 2011 7:30 AM PST up reply actions
trudat
to me it has more to do with them having a reasonable shot at making a deal.
by Andrew Crispell on Nov 8, 2011 7:33 AM PST up reply actions
I was just kidding about the name similarity. But I do admire the enduring faith of the Crispians that their beloved will still walk across the bay to SF.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 8, 2011 7:34 AM PST up reply actions
Although the Melky Coco Crisp banners would be gold
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
At first. Then they would get soggy and limp.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 8:40 AM PST up reply actions
but leaves you with awesome Coco Melk
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
And a soggy mass of goo.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 8:55 AM PST up reply actions
coco seems pointless if we have melky
True, but some cocoa this morning would be nice.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
im optimistically hoping that the giants will...
sign beltran and furcal
That would be good
I would also take Reyes or Jroll plus RH corner OF on the cheap for LHP and PH duty (Ordonez, Burrell)
I’m starting to feel a little bit like Belt is going to be blocked to start the year. :(
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I’d be really surprised if he’s in the opening day lineup.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
au contraire
I’m sure he’ll be photoshopped into many humorous scoreboard graphics by the Fresno promotions staff.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 8, 2011 7:33 AM PST up reply actions
BOCHY: “I hate criers.”
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Maybe they are hoping the DR will toughen him up.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 7:52 AM PST up reply actions
DON'T EVEN
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I was angry at first
but then I sort of got behind this trade. Sanchez was the most frustrating pitcher I have ever watched. Melky can hit, and nobody on the Giants except Buster, Panda, Belt, and maybe Freddy can hit.
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
Melky can hit
I’m not sold on that yet.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
C's get degrees
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Nov 8, 2011 7:36 AM PST reply actions
OMG dudes
They got Melky because his first name is a built-in “-y” nickname. They had to backfill after losing Rowy, and trading Johnny.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
Melkyy
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
You forgot G
G – Brian Sabean is an idiot
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
Yogi Berra goes to see MoneyBall
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204190704577022222894383202.html?mod=googlenews_wsj\
A cute article.
WHY IS MELKY
Mayor of Smug.
thanks for posting that
I love Yogi. I had thought Carmen was in poor health, but apparently not.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 8, 2011 7:44 AM PST up reply actions
D
With any luck, Melky will refuse to get a beer and then be benched all year.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 7:38 AM PST reply actions
D
The two worst things about this IMO:
1)Zito
2)Torres
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
C
Melky is an awkward fit, but he’s not, you know, bad.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
are we doing fortune cookie quotes now?
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
this meme reminds me
of the immortal Eddie Murphy song. SFW but the stuff in the youtube sidebar might not be.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 8, 2011 7:48 AM PST up reply actions
Wait this is not a poll about bra sizes?
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
I voted for D
Although I’m somewhere between C and D right now. My biggest issues are that I don’t trust Melky’s resurgence at the plate this season to carry over to 2012, I don’t think that he will play good D in CF for the Giants, and I would rather that Sabes had freed up even more money to go after Jimmy Rollins or Beltran by trading Sanchez for a minor league prospect or 2.
Melky seems to me to be in the same offensive category as Cody and Nate, and will likely end up keeping Belt from getting consistent PT – not to mention that I hate the idea of Bochy putting him in the leadoff spot day after day.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Yokult Swallows has agreed to post Norichika Aoki
青木メジャー移籍に前進＝球団がポスティング容認─プロ野球・ヤクルト
ヤクルトの青木宣親外野手（29）が今オフにポスティングシステム（入札制度）を使
って米大リーグ移籍を目指すことが8日、確実となった。7日夜に青木から米移籍の要望
を受けたという衣笠剛球団社長が8日、「前向きに考えたい」と話した。
球団では他の幹部や小川監督の意見も聞いた上で正式に決め、10日にも発表する。同
社長は「夢を持って大リーグに行きたいというのは当然のこと。私としては手伝ってあ
げたい。長年にわたっての貢献も十分認識している」と述べた。
7日に都内で青木と会った同社長は、約40分の話し合いの中で本人の強い希望が伝わ
ったと言い、この席で青木は「大学時代から持っていた夢をつかめる状況にあるので、
ぜひ行かせてほしい」と話したという。
青木は2006年のオフに、球団に対して将来的な大リーグ移籍の希望を表明。海外移籍
が可能なフリーエージェント（FA）資格の取得は早くても2013年となる。
Of course, we just traded for Melky Cabrera so I don’t expect any action here from the Giants =.=
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
i was wondering about this
if they would be interested in Aoki
by Andrew Crispell on Nov 8, 2011 7:50 AM PST up reply actions
pro baseball team Yakult has received post = major advances in the transfer Aoki
Aoki of the Yakult outfielder declared parent (29) are now off posting system (bidding) to the
08 What is the aim to transfer the U.S. major, certainly was. Aoki transfer requests from the U.S. on the night of 7
08 Kinugasa fast ball team called the president who “think positively,” he said.
In the club officially decided on hearing the opinions of other executive director and streams, which announced on June 10. Same
President, "The Major has a dream to go natural. As I was there to help
If clogs. Well known for many years contribution, "he said.
President Aoki met in Tokyo on the same seven days, a strong desire for personal 伝Wa in about 40 minutes of talks
Was called, Aoki at the meeting, "I have had a dream to grasp the situation from college,
Let me go come, "it said.
Aoki off in 2006, expressed hope for a future major transfer team. International transfers
Free agents can be (FA) qualifications at the earliest would be 2013.
I can read this version
“I have had a dream to grasp the situation from college,
Let me go come”
WHY IS MELKY
Mayor of Smug.
That is what college is all about!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 7:53 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I was just going to post about what MLBTR.com had on him:
Seibu shortstop Hiroyuki Nakajima will again ask to be posted this offseason. Nakajima was denied that request last winter, though the Orioles and Mariners were reportedly among the interested teams. The 29-year-old hit .297/.354/.433 with 16 home runs in 633 plate appearances this year. Newman considered Aoki Japan’s second-best hitter in his August 2010 article.
Just the fact that he’s on the market should help the Giants as it would seem to take some of the leverage away from Rollins and also the lower-tier SS available.
What can you tell us about his defense at SS?
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=tuCb72KSKoc
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
Also, Yu Darvish can suck it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn-swp5Dunw&feature=related
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
Oppo-field power!
So, this guy’s going to cost more than Nishioka did the Twins last year, right? My guess is that anything over a $10M posting fee will be more than the Giants can afford.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Not necessarily
Rumor out of asia is the Giants IS indeed interested. along with Dbacks, Dodgers and Orioles (wtf?). They don’t expect the bidding to go above Nishioka because he will be turning 30 next year.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
Wow people are almost more optimistic about this trade
than I expected. My grade would be C+/B-
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
le sigh
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
#yankees disappointed sanchez went to kc. believed they had more to offer (then again, sf likes melky more than nyy do)
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
I doubt it. It is unlikely that the Yankee would have given up anyone on the 25 man roster
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
I would have preferred a prospect.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 7:55 AM PST up reply actions
I understand that
but that does mean that they would have more to offer.
The only prospect worth getting in the Yankees organization would be Montero and he is not likely to be traded.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
And not for Guapo.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 8, 2011 7:57 AM PST up reply actions
The only prospect worth getting in the Yankees organization would be Montero
This is not even a little bit true.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 8:00 AM PST up reply actions
Okay
who else?
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
So, you honestly think the Yankees farm system consists of one player?
Just because he is the only one you have heard of?
Do you own homework.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 8:04 AM PST up reply actions
Since Lars is busy with a space related event this morning
I’ll help out. But then I have to get ready for an unproductive software committee meeting. I’m sure that FLA can provide the supporting documentation.
A quick search for 2011 Yankees top prospects produces:
C Jesus Montero,
RHP Dellin Betances,
LHP Manny Banuelos
C Austin Romine
OF Slade Heathcott
RHP Adam Warren
RHP David Phelps
SS Cito Culver
OF Mason Williams
SS Dante Bichette, Jr
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Any one on this list would be preferable to Melky for me.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I would like to have Dane Bichette on the Giants though. I wonder if he has his father’s eyes?
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Dante Bichette
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Completely and utterly false.
And really, a lazy analysis.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Okay
again…who else?
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Christ dude, it's not that hard
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=yankees+top+prospects
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
by GiantPain on Nov 8, 2011 8:03 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
inorite?
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 8:05 AM PST up reply actions
Of course I know they have prospects
but most of them are long term…including Betances and Banuelos. The question isn’t whether the Giants could have gotten B prospects from the Yankees. The question is whether they could have gotten someone better than Melky.
Of course, the answer depends on how you view Melky.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Long term prospects in exchange for Sanchez would have been fine.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 8:08 AM PST up reply actions
Melky IS long term prospects.
He’s a better chance to be a Type A than Sanchez next season, and those draft picks give you prospects.
It hasn't worked out because the Giants' Type A/Bs have not been of the useful kind.
They have been generally much older than Melky and also not underpaid to the extent that an offer of arbitration can be assumed to be summarily declined.
Apples and oranges.
Who’s the last Giants Type A position player just entering his prime years as well as underpaid? He may even be before my time, because I can’t think of one!
Regardless of how you view Melky
You get him for one season, and it’s one season where we have a bunch of other cheap people available to play the positions he plays. Even if you believe, as I do, that Melky is actually a pretty good lil’ player, I don’t think it’s much of a stretch to say it would have been better to try to extract some longer-term value from Sanchez.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
But
if it meant getting someone to plug up a perceived hole at CF and in the lineup and saves some money in the interim to allow Sabean to go sign some other players.
It is clear that Torres was not going to factor into the Giants plans especially with his $2.5 million salary. So, Sabean decided to pick up a CF (maybe not a great defensive one)
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No way on earth I'd give up a top prospect for Sanchez
Some history of arm problems. Wildly inconsistent. Possibly somewhat of a head case to boot. I liked Sanchez. Still do. But there is simply no way he was going to bring in a stud prospect. I just don’t think they could have got more for him.
Put it this way – if Cabrera approaqches what he did last season, its a huge plus move.
Don't need a stud prospect to be better than Melky.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Then your perceived value of Melky is pretty low. If he can be a 2-3 WAR player..then he is worth at least a stud prospect.
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How many times has he been a 2-3 WAR player in his career?
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 8:20 AM PST up reply actions
By fWAR, never.
He’s been over that once, and under that every other year.
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No, my percieved value of Melky is that he's on a one year contract.
One year of a 2-3 WAR player (which is an average to slightly above average player) is not worth a stud prospect at all. That’s crazy.
Do you think teams are giving up their top prospects for one year of players like Jack Hanahan or Omar Infante? These are 2-3 win players. They are worth a lot less than “stud” prospects. They are worth less than even slightly-less-than-stud prospects.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Then you and I view things differently. It is like the Beltran v. Wheeler trade. Some people hate it because it was a rental vs a potential stud prospect. I thought it made sense and was reasonable at the time it was made. It did not work out in hindsight but that does not mean it was not a good move.
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I was in favor of the Beltran trade.
But it has nothing to do with this one.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Can I add the term “stud prospect” to my list of hate? Quick, someone get the pie graph!
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what about “upside”?
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I hear he really mashes!
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by natteringnabob on Nov 8, 2011 8:33 AM PST up reply actions
you confusing it
with Banger Spud
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Oh, I forgot
Here you call it, a sausage in the mouth.
Well you can call em whatever you want
But we’re mating them with the females on the prospect farm.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
and
just because the Yankees say they would have offered “more” for Sanchez doesn’t mean they would have included either of those guys, either.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 8, 2011 8:11 AM PST up reply actions
Betances and Banuelos are like one or two years out
Maybe not even that far.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Short on money this year, relief coming in next couple years
Going to get Rowand and Zito off the books next couple of years. It was a cash saving move to make them better now.
But the Giants did give up a prospect.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 7:57 AM PST up reply actions
Sure, JD
Twist the knife.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 8:01 AM PST up reply actions
So?
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
So…it is not likely that the Yankees would have had given the Giants a better offer. Unless they were willing to trade Montero.
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The Yankees would not have to give us anyone off the 25 man roster or Montero
And they could still have given us a much better return than Melky.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Really…like who?
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Would he be better?
The dude plays all positions badly and had a .698 OPS in 338 PAs.
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Nunez, a killer B or two...
It’s a pretty deep farm system. There are more useful players there, long-term, than Melky.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
That's a negative?
I would have preferrec a prospect or 2 instead of somebody like Cabrera. Trading Dirty for prospects would have freed up an additional $6M to go after Rollins or Beltran with.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
It may be the "smart" move
but the quote was that the Yankees believed that they were offering more than Melky.
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Since the Yankees don’t have anybody good on the major league roster that they can trade beyond Montero, Gardner, Betances and Nova (and Cashman wouldn’t trade one of them for Sanchez), I was assuming that the Yank’s package would have been compsed of prospects.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Fuck the Yankees
They can never handle it when they don’t get what they want. They simply expect to buy everyone.
ZITO 4 MONTERO
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by natteringnabob on Nov 8, 2011 8:26 AM PST up reply actions
How about spelled milk?
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 8:46 AM PST up reply actions
LOL Jonathan Sanchez pitching in NYC
He’s certainly got the mental make-up for that assignment.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 8, 2011 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
Nah
I think Belt will get a good shot at 1B especially if Huff does not shape up (literally and figuratively).
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Huff will get at least 300 at bats while playing 1B
Aubrey is going to have to suck until at least August before Bochy moves him to the bench.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 7:57 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t know. Sabean and Bochy threw him under the bus pretty fast at the end of the season and Huff did not get much playing time in September
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Sabean and Bochy threw him under the bus pretty fast at the end of the season
Because they were covering their own asses. Bochy has a long history of sticking with vets until his GM takes them away. I don’t expect Sabean to do that this time.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 8:02 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t know if it covers their butts. In essence they admitted to play Huff even though he was dogging it. Bochy almost never throws a veteran under the bus and yet he did it with Huff.
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/facepalm
Make up your mind. Did he not play much in September or did they play him even though he was dogging it?
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 8:07 AM PST up reply actions
What?
The quote was that Huff came in ST out of shape and got worse as the season got along. Huff had the large majority of the playing time at 1B for most of the season up to September. If that’s true, then Bochy basically admitted that he stuck with Huff for too long and that decision hurt the team.
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Look, there really isn't much to argue about given Bochy's track record
Vinny Castilla
Bengie Molina
Aubrey Huff
The first two had to be traded away from Bochy’s team so that he would stop playing them. I do not believe that Sabean will do the same to Huff this year.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 8:11 AM PST up reply actions
Why not?
I think the Rowand DFA was done to send a message.
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Based on what Bochy\Sabes\Baer has said
I think Huff will have a shorter leash next year. But that is all words until I see the actions.
Huff is a good hitter with a good eye and stroke. I hope he comes back in fantastic shape and gives us some of that 2010 love.
Let's not forget Jose Guillen
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Of course not
He has to keep throwing his gritty vet out there because he is having great BP and needs to “turn it around”.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 8:12 AM PST up reply actions
Beltran blocked is funny to me, since I don’t think he’s coming back.
I think Belt will probably start in AAA — at least for the first two months or so. I could probably live with Melky in RF.
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Ross - Cabrera - Schierholtz opening day OF!
barfs
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
This is correct
There will be no Beltran.
There will be no Rollins.
There will be no Reyes.
The budget is close to spent up already. There isn’t money to pay anyone other than what we have on hand.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 7:59 AM PST up reply actions
Yes we have no bananas!
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by natteringnabob on Nov 8, 2011 8:00 AM PST up reply actions
/grabs crotch!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 8:03 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, fuck draft picks
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
OT: The JoePa thing is insane
Sorry if it has been discussed but I just got caught up on it last night.
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There is a million of them
here’s one: http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/columnists/view/2011_1108lionsshare_of_blame_legendary_joe_pa_should_get_boot_for_role_in_sandusky_mess/srvc=home&position=recent
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ahhh Paterno ok
sorry i thought you may have been talking about a Joe Posanski article.
which can be disturbing too
Pitching and defense wins championships, but oh those dingerz....
That’s JoePos.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 8:47 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think Pablo looks that much fatter
http://halu0519.pixnet.net/album/photo/14089232-24.jpg
he looks like the same Pablo
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can of corn
That's probably the worst angle available to evaluate such things.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
what about?
http://halu0519.pixnet.net/album/photo/14089154
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can of corn
Also not great
Can’t tell if he’s got a gut if the shirt’s hanging down like that.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Several pictures here
http://www.wretch.cc/album/show.php?i=odgbb&b=109&f=1195078716&p=5
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can of corn
I'm no expert
But he certainly does look a mite more portly in that photo than he did for most of last season.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
He told bochy that he would weigh in less than last spring…
by Andrew Crispell on Nov 8, 2011 7:59 AM PST up reply actions
HE HAS GAINED 7.2%
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 8:38 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not worried about Pablo's girth.
Last spring was the first time the dude had ever WORKED OUT.
He’s a big boy, always will be…but as long as he continues to do athletic things, I’m not too worried about an extra pound or five.
Dude swung a great bat, came back from the injury and continued to deliver gold glove defense at the hot corner.
Very bullish on the Panda.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 8, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
A team experiencing increased revenue from a past playoff push trying to convert that money into a solution for a gaping void at shortstop
It’s the Brewers, though.
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
hearing #brewers believe they have almost no hope for prince and are now targeting jose reyes
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
hahaha
LOL them for spending money on players!
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by natteringnabob on Nov 8, 2011 8:12 AM PST up reply actions
No RDF in the land of cheese
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 8:12 AM PST up reply actions
Then they can trade Yuni for Belt
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Love it and here's why
1. I didn’t think they could get a productive everyday player for Sanchez. Yes they threw in a mid level prospect. But the fact that the KC wanted Runzler and the Giants traded Verdugo instead tells me they don’t think real highly of him.
2. No negative impact economically.
3. No long term contract – Brown awaits.
4. Relatively young player who will be in a contract year during his prime. If he repeats 2010 he can have a big payday coming. Thus motivated.
5. Switch hitter with some speed and some pop.
This trade has a relatively high upside. Sure there is a chance Sanchez figures it all out. But that was a risk worth taking. So from a risk-benefit analysis, in my book this is an excellent deal.
Has anyone seen the Marlins’ new unis? I’ll post a link later today.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
LOL
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 8:15 AM PST up reply actions
omg so racist
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by natteringnabob on Nov 8, 2011 8:26 AM PST up reply actions
THOSE UNIFORMS ARE CHALLENGING PERCEPTIONS!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 8:18 AM PST up reply actions
What about the Notre Dame helmets?
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I went with "F"
More for the process than the result.
I think it’s foolish that management felt a need to trade Jonathan Sanchez. He’s significantly better than the other options and 5-6 million is below market value for a guy who is going to give you something like 24% K and 11.5%BB with an ERA soemwhere between 3.95 and 4.50 which is likely what he would have produced this year. Now the Giants might very well end up spending at least that to replace him.
I am sick of the “not a good soldier” approach to management. It damages the team by casting off otherwise valuable pieces and is even more problematic because following the theory requires holding on to and propping up unproductive players simply because they don’t rock the boat.
Whatever Melky adds on offense will probably be lost on defense. So maybe he hits a bit better than Nate Schierholtz but his fielding will be a huge decline from Andres Torres. I didn’t feel that there was a need for a CF. I would be okay with Melky in LF, even though he’s still below average there, but to put him in CF, which we know is going to happen is completely foolish. I am sure it wont take long for the team to see that he shouldnt be there but Bochy wil not move him. We know that too. He’s exaclty the kind fo player Sabean would go after and he’s exactly the wrong player to put in the hands of Bruce Bochy.
So I hate it. Maybe a bit irrationally, but I hate it.
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1) The question whether Sanchez would have given you much next year. I get a sense that the Giants believed he wouldn’t considering his mental “softness”, his “slow recovery” of the DL, and constant complaining. There is also something to be said about him being “uncoachable”
2) I agree with this but if you are battling for the 5th SP position, being a “bad soldier” is not great.
3) He had a bad defensive year last year but he has also show that can play CF pretty well in NYY. He’s only 27 so it is not like he is losing a step speed wise.
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I do think there is a chance
that he has a good enough year to improve the team as a whole. I just wouldn’t play my Jonathan Sanchez chip on that bet, not just because Jonathan Sanchez but also because, apparently this move has created a whole that the Giants are now considering using RDF money to fill. So that lessens the ability to get a player that will truly have a high probability of improving the team like Carlos Beltran for example.
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Ha ha!
There’s a huge majority going for B or C. Not the impression a casual reader would’ve gathered from our comments about the trade thus far. But we’ve always had a silent majority voting on all the polls, haven’t we?
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
I think
people always assume 3000 comments on a subject involve 2,900 “OMG I HATE THIS MOVE WHYYYY” when that isn’t anywhere close to the case. Most are about TV shows or ASOIAF or football. Some say “eh, we’ll see”, and a handful actually say yay or nay.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 8, 2011 8:28 AM PST up reply actions
Hence why I said “casual observer.” Had I tried to guess the spread of answers beforehand, I would’ve estimated a mostly even spread over B, C, and D with a small but determined minority voting for F.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
by Ott on Nov 8, 2011 8:31 AM PST up reply actions
I just posted a similar observation. I’m glad I’m not alone (gimmie some grougthink).
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
DEEP BREATH
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Yeah I'm scared
but there has to be some former prospect coming back from playing baseball in Asia that we can pick up.
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He’d like to hide from it, I imagine.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
when you say youre not gonna hide from something
its usually not good
So, does Melky + Zito returning to rotation > Anyone else + Sanchez?
Quick, someone, do the math.
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What’s crap divided by poop, again?
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by natteringnabob on Nov 8, 2011 8:35 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm pretty down on Zito
I don’t honestly think he makes it out of April in the rotation.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
bring back the Soup!
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Then we'll be searching for a trade partner willing to swap something worse than Jonathan Sanchez
for Joe Panik.
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There’s $40M good reasons for this! Sunk costs don’t take away from the RDF!
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by natteringnabob on Nov 8, 2011 8:34 AM PST up reply actions
Basking in the afterglow.
You guys still like this move?
Supporting the move is supporting the idiocy that led to the determination that a move had to be made, which was an irrational decision based on body language rather than actual performance.
It’s just stupid.
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Wow…you like this trade a lot.
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We just keep casting off useful pieces because
they look awkward or aren’t excited enough or don’t want to risk their lives playing winter ball in Venzuela or piss off the manager because they don’t drink his beer. And we keep giving players PA because they do all of these stupid things that have nothing to do with playing baseball well. It pisses me off.
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by Cody_ransom on Nov 8, 2011 8:40 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
or piss off the manager because they don’t drink his beer.
LOL – I have to say your rage brings me smiles.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 8, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
So you're the guy who stands in the corner of the room and says "You're all a bunch of morons"?
Good luck getting people to give your way of thinking?
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
This little Zito of mine,
I’m gonna let him shine,
Let him shine, let him shine,
Let him shine.
Hide him under a bushel, NO!
I’m gonna let him shine…
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
by Ott on Nov 8, 2011 8:36 AM PST up reply actions
Hey
my daughter loves that song. Minus the Zito part.
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2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
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I'm actually ok with this
Think back to last season. Most of us were ok with Zito being the 5th starter. He still has the potential to pitch ok in about half his starts with a few gems thrown in, just like he did in 2010. Last year was injury riddled for a guy that has never been on the DR. I think there is a decent chance that this works out. And hey, if it doesn’t, it’s just a 5th starter problem. Every team always has 5th starter problems and they aren’t the end of the world. There are probably 15 more pressing problems for the giants than Zito being 5th pitcher.
Shift-A.
This isn’t the first time I noticed the poll respondents are a lot more supportive of a trade (or other FO move) then the commenters. Not sure if that means anything, but it does seem to happen.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
The silent majority!
The 1 percent suck!
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
I think
The people that don’t like a move are usually a lot more passionate than those that like it or are ok with it. As a result, they tend to post a lot more, giving the impression that most people are against it.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Fucking yahoo users.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
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Jon Heyman said the Yankees wanted Sanchez and believe they could have done better than Melky Cabrera. Way to have patience, Sabes!!!
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
by rxmeister on Nov 8, 2011 8:37 AM PST via mobile reply actions
See discussion above.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Also
Yankee believed that Joba was the next Roger Clemens
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
?
where it turns out that they almost certainly could have done better?
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
See above.
Also are you changing your sig line?
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
I forgot about it.
It turned out to be very true, though.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
WOW
Can I change my vote. I now hate this deal.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
yeah
that makes me less sanguine about the possibilities of this deal. getting a legit B+/A- prospect with a shot to be ready in 2013 doesn’t seem out of the question, and would have been a much better acquisition than one year of Melky.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 8, 2011 8:43 AM PST up reply actions
I'd say we have a 25% chance of signing him
hankschulman Henry Schulman
Good morning Tweeps. Giants have not gotten involved on Beltran yet. Doesn’t mean they won’t, but no offer so far.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Didn't Amy G say they "are in on the Beltran talks"?
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Not the biggest Hank fan
But, uh, I’d trust him a bit more than Amy.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
What's wrong with sexy?
/Spinal Tapped
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
They are not signing Beltran
They will end up offering him something way less than his market value and tell everyone they tried.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2011 8:46 AM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't be surprised
If the Giants are going to try to match offer late (if the price is good), but not push up the bidding.
This.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 8, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
A question for those who criticize the trade as "buying high/selling low"
(Including you, jcb)
Do we really know that? If Melky repeats his 2011 or is even better and Sanchez repeats his 2011 or is worse, wouldn’t it be more “buying a player on the rise/selling a player on the decline”
It’s like the stock market; you really don’t know if you bought/sold high/low until some time has passed and you look back at the deal.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
by Goofus on Nov 8, 2011 8:45 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
C-
2010 World Series Champions!
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Torture
I know that we as Giant’s fans should embrace the word ‘Torture,’ but watching Sanchez pitch last year (and indeed many times in years past) was absolutely torturous. The slow walks around the mound, the WALKS in general, the blank million-mile stare into the catcher. Watching him pitch was agonizing at times. I’d rather have a guy give up hits than walks, any day. I remember screaming at the TV, “THROW STRIKES, GODDAMNIT!” None of that will be missed. Could we have gotten more? Perhaps. But I for one am glad to see him go. The fact that we got at least an average offensive player is a bonus. I’m sure that we’ll be able to find someone who can pitch 5 1/3 innings of league-average baseball to replace him.
by Lott'sMissingPinky on Nov 8, 2011 9:26 AM PST reply actions
You don’t have to embrace it.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
I voted A.
I’d give it a B+.
Sanchez looks to be slightly more productive than Cabrera, with Sanchez paid a bit more. Cabrera is also significantly younger: entering his prime years rather than leaving them.
Cabrera is a much better chance to be a Type A free agent next season, and good enough that the Giants should be able to have an arbitration offer declined and, subsequently, have another team sign him. I like draft picks.
The Giants have traded from a position of depth (Zito is infuriating, but he is still a passable 5th starter, and Surkamp may be as well) to acquire at a position of scarcity (Schierholtz simply does not look like a passable corner outfielder for a World Series contender, Torres is a guessing game, and Belt probably should be playing 1B on this team).
In full context, this trade appears worse, but really, it’s a good trade.
by dregarx on Nov 8, 2011 10:40 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Context.
Though depth is fine and all, quality at positions is better. Cabrera looks to either supplant Torres as a functionally identical player (though they provide value in different ways), or to supplant Schierholtz as a better player, but not by a whole lot.
That’s an improvement, sure, but the offense needs a bigger boost to become respectable. Beltran needs to be signed; otherwise, there isn’t even that great of a guarantee that the offense is improved. Beltran is a great fit for the team, as a considerable offensive improvement at a reasonable cost given his age.
Would I have preferred Yankees prospects for Sanchez? Maybe, but remember that Melky’s free agent compensation will likely lead to prospects as well, and Giants-drafted prospects who will fit our needs better and (in the Barr era) are a good bet to be well-drafted: the Giant’s FO has done some good drafting in the past. It’s a push.
by dregarx on Nov 8, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
actually 50% of respondents are A or B
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 8, 2011 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
I’m a B+ myself…mostly cause I have faith that they aren’t closing up shop on November 7th and I think that Beltran will return.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 8, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
I voted B, but rec’d this comment.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 8, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
1066 Votes
A’s = 368
B’s = 1374
C’s = 722
D’s = 116
F’s = 0 (39×0)
Averages out to a 2.42 GPA, or a flat C on the trade according to McC.
"I'm not a big vegetable guy'' he says. -Tim Lincecum
I thought we graded Sabes on a curve?
;-)
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 8, 2011 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
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