Melky for Jonathan: Knee-Jerk Analysis
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 7, 2011 11:24 AM PST
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PrintMy lasting memory of Melky Cabrera was from the 2010 National League Division Series. He looked like he was swinging a bat that had a rope tied on the barrel, and the other end of the rope was wrapped around his torso and tied to his ankle. Oh, the bat would get around eventually, but it wasn't quick. Or pretty. He was 25 at the time, but he looked like he was 35. It was sad. Spraying-champagne-around-the-clubhouse sad, if you want to be specific about it.
And I didn't catch a whole lot of Royals games last year. When I did watch them, I was looking for Eric Hosmer or Mike Moustakas. When Melky came up, my brain probably shut off and I started thinking about various gadgets or video games I wanted to purchase. Wasn't interested. So his renaissance flew right past me. Not sure what made him so much better than he was in previous seasons.
With that, I can't offer a great scouting report on the guy. What I know is that he was one of the worst players in baseball in 2010, and he was pretty darned good in 2011. If the Giants had Cabrera instead of Sanchez last year, they would have been a much better team. That's Melky Cabrera, not Orlando. This sentence is a reminder that the Giants also traded for Orlando Cabrera last year.
The Giants-loving internet is freaking out right now. Sabean gonna Sabean, and all that. He's the GM who sells low to make a deal with the GM selling high. I'm not quite in that line. I can almost, almost, almost get behind this trade. First, you have to make two assumptions. The first is that the Giants really do have a finite budget that they can't break for really good hitters. The second is that they really needed a center fielder. I'm skeptical on both counts. Both of those points are sort of nonsense, actually. But I had long ago accepted that they were considered true that by the people who actually make roster decisions, so I accepted them long ago. Begrudgingly.
With those in mind I could almost see it. You say Melky is a player coming off a career year. I squint and say that Melky had the breakout year as a 26-year-old that he was supposed to have years ago. He had a .360 OBP as a 21-year-old starter. That's hard to do. He fell off a cliff after that, but it's not like, say, Justin Christian having a breakout year. It's not a total shock. Melky was supposed to be talented.
I can almost see it. The Giants need offense, and last year Melky could hit. They have a strikeout staff -- well, except for that there Barry Zito -- so maybe they can give up a little defense in center.
Maybe not that much defense. But some. Just about every defensive metric has Cabrera as a below-average defender in center, but other than when he almost fatted himself out of baseball with the Braves, he hasn't been statue-bad. Not as good as Aaron Rowand or Cody Ross, probably, but not that much worse.
And as for what went the other way, I'm not foaming at the mouth. I figured Sanchez was gone long ago, probably for a Merkin/Moss package, which was great as someone who likes to type "Merkin Moss" in his spare time. The Giants didn't get a couple of fringe players or C-prospects. They got someone relatively cheap who had a fantastic year last year. I had zero faith in Sanchez next year -- his walks, combined with his fragility and salary, made me completely okay with a possible non-tender. I can almost see it.
Ryan Verdugo was an interesting prospect -- the Jonathan Sanchez of AA -- and it's a little annoying that he had to go in the deal, but it's unlikely that he was ever going to pan out as a starter. And if he became a left-handed reliever, who cares? Those kinds of players are always hanging around if you have an extra $10 million to spend, and they're there even if you don't have that money to spend but do it anyways.
The Giants will save about $1M in arbitration with the swap, but that's not all. They also saved money by not giving $15M or $20M to Coco Crisp. They didn't commit to a center fielder for the next couple of years. This move could free them up for a shortstop, or for the re-signing of Beltran. Coco Crisp was going to be a Giant if this went down, and while I think I'd rather have Crisp on my team next year, it's not a huge downgrade when you factor in the salary commitment. I can almost see it.
My problem with the trade isn't giving up Sanchez or Verdugo. It's not necessarily Melky. He's a flawed player, but people act like a court order is going to force him to return his increased production from last year. It's not so outlandish to think that a 26-year-old who improves might turn into a 27-year-old who maintains the production.
My problem with the trade is the completely manufactured need in center field. There were concerns about Torres. Well, hey, there are concerns about Freddy Sanchez staying healthy, Buster Posey is going to be the same player, Aubrey Huff's conditioning and collapsed-star suck from last year, and the dark void at shortstop. There are concerns all over the diamond. But in center, they had a guy who was very likely to provide the Giants with a ton of value based on his defense alone. His ADHD and sproingy hamstrings made him someone you didn't want to trust, but he's cheap with the potential to be pretty danged good. This Giants' offseason should be alllllllll about "cheap with the potential to be pretty danged good," while figuring out how to fix the spots that don't have the potential of being pretty danged good.
I was expecting Jonathan Sanchez to be traded for beans. Not magic beans. Just beans. Navy. Maybe cannellini beans. I was also expecting to sign Coco Crisp to a two-year/$14 million deal or worse. So with both of those expectations already firmly implanted in my head, this is an improvement, and it could be even better if they actually spend the money I thought they were going to spend on Crisp. I can almost see it.
I would have rather traded Sanchez for a semi-prospect, stuck with Torres, and spent even more money on the free-agent market. That would have been my first choice. As is, let's all hope that last year's Melky is the real Melky, because that was a pretty danged good player. Just don't expect it.
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As far as Cabrera’s go. Asdrubal is the only one I’d want in my lineup.
by Stoney Montana on Nov 7, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
Oh yeah...
Him too. What’s with all these damn Cabrera’s? Is that Spanish for Jones?
by Stoney Montana on Nov 7, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
Why won't anyone answer the guy?
I mean, jeez, he just asked a simple question.
Anyway, no. It’s from the Latin word capraria, meaning ‘place of goats’
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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IN CAPRAE CREDO
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 9:20 AM PST up reply actions
So it’s Scottish?
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 8, 2011 9:41 AM PST up reply actions
Nah, wouldn't want that psycho on my team
He’s got major issues that go way beyond baseball. Ticking time bomb.
At this point, I'm pretty much done with surprises - Michael Crabtree
Glad you’re not the GM.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
Reyes
If SF can now get Reyes at SS, they become favorites in the NL
Reyes will be a Miami Marlin next year.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
Oh how things change.... 2010 PGT
“This is why Brian Sabean didn’t trade Jonathan Sanchez for Jorge Cantu, Derrek Lee, or Al Oliver. Kenny Williams would have. Kenny Williams would have called every non-Giants team in the NL West to see if they had Al Oliver, and he would have traded Sanchez in a second. For all of the crap this site can shovel at Sabean’s feet, I think the most impressive thing he’s done in the past decade is refrain from trading Sanchez for pennies on the dollar. You know he was getting some interesting offers. Hey, for a team that was just a year or two removed from Jose Castillo, Dan Uggla really would look nice. And for an inconsistent lefty? That kind of deal makes itself.”
by haroldandsivakumar on Nov 7, 2011 11:28 AM PST reply actions
Yep.
I was always a Sanchez doubter until he pitched well last year. Now I can show my true colors again!
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 7, 2011 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
Some of us kept the (lack of) faith
Pre-2011 projection:
Put me in the skeptic camp
I think his ERA will be back in the 4s this year, and I think the Giants will regret not trading him while his ERA was pretty.
3 straight years of mediocrity, with the only variables being BABIP and LOB%, which I don’t believe are repeatable skills.
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2011/2/24/2013514/community-projection-jonathan-sanchez#59980997
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
was more referring to sabean
you try to give the guy some well earned praise and he throws up all over it
by haroldandsivakumar on Nov 7, 2011 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
What I'm afraid of
@extrabaggs
Andrew Baggarly
Source told me the Giants strongly considering B. Crawford at SS if they could improve lineup elsewhere. Melky is a move in that direction.
LF Melky
CF Crisp
SS Crawford
Improvement!
Is it February 19 yet?
Melky
Don’t think Melky is your leadoff hitter, but I bet that’s what Sabean is planning.
If this trade means we’re going after a SS (Reyes/Rollins) to hit leadoff, I like it. If it means we can re-sign Beltran, I’m ok with Crawford playing solid D and hitting 8th. If this it… aka Melky leadoff, Crawford at SS, Schierholtz in RF, then… not good.
Melky had 20 SB last year
Here are the most important stats for a leadoff hitter:
1. SB! (20!)
2. Hits! (201 last year!)
3. RIBEYEZ! (87! That will be fantastic from the leadoff spot!)
I think that about covers it, and is all the proof I need that he will be an ideal leadoff hitter! I want to use more exclamation points!
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
And no plate was ever so blesséd.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
Shouldn’t it be blessèd?
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
He did that from the #2 hole - Freddie's spot
and this was his breakout year. If you’ve ever seen him in the field you know he is no Andres Torres.
Don't believe everything you think.
"most important stats"
The most important stats for a lead off hitter are as follows:
1) Runs scored
2) OBP
3) Glove named “Lucille”
Stolen bases are nice, but this category doesn’t make my top three.
4) Stolen bases
5) extra base power
6) drag bunts while already two steps closer to first base
RBIs are nice, but not in my top six.
In this post-2010 reality, I occupy a resurrection body.
This lineup wouldn't surprise me:
CF Crisp
2B Sanchez
3B Pablo
C Buster
LF Cabrera
1B Huff
RF Nate
SS Crawford
If this is it, my hope is we get the 2011 Crisp, Melky, Pablo & Nate. We get a healthy Buster & Freddy. We get a Crawford that hits .235 and an even season Huff. Oh and while I’m in Fantasy Land, give me a 2002 Zito.
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by Penitentiary Face on Nov 7, 2011 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
Ugh...
The question then becomes, who are the uninspired midseason acquisitions, and who gets unceremoniously dumped for pennies on the dollar?
“With our .495 winning percentage, while trailing the Dodgers, Diamondbacks, and Rockies, we’re still in this thing. So we’ve released Nate and Crawford and have traded for Jason Bartlett and Ryan Ludwick. Barely gave up any of our top prospects, too!”
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
wow
That’s pretty depressing.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
No on Crawford
cannot hit his weight; spend the $$ NOW on Reyes; solves both SS and leadoff question, puts Cabrera where he belongs batting 2nd, resign Beltran also. MUST do this so as to not waste this great pitching staff.
He hit his weight this year!
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 7, 2011 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
so not an improvement
over ML-quality SS elsewhere in the lineup and Torres in CF.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
Do the Giants realize that lineups don't work like that?
Each batter is discrete. You can’t hide a bad hitter behind other better hitters. Also Melky Cabrera is not a better hitter.
Also Brandon Crawford is bad.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Crawford is below average.
I save the words “bad” and “suck” for replacement level and sub replacement level players.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
.5 WAR in 220 PA's is above replacement level.
By definition.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
What is Nomar Garciaparra doing playing 1B?
LOL A’s offense
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 7, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
Hey now
we scored 100+ more runs than your team did that year!
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by lenscrafters on Nov 7, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
Humbling.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
HR balls for everyone!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
lol
Bruce Bochy: Leave him alone, he's the Manager Man and his BORK is much worse than his bite.
by zodiac_chiller on Nov 7, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
I AM FREAKING OUT, THOUGH STILL EXCITED ABOUTHE MARS THING
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
My problem with this trade is Brian Sabean
Imagine if we had a GM who knew what he was doing.
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Nov 7, 2011 11:32 AM PST reply actions
IN CASE OF EMERGENCY
TRADE FOR A CABRERA
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by jctGamer on Nov 7, 2011 11:34 AM PST reply actions 10 recs
So bye bye Cody? :(
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by Montreal Giants Fan on Nov 7, 2011 11:36 AM PST reply actions
I don't understand why so many people want to keep him.
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Nov 7, 2011 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
This
Very easy to root for
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
Groundouts to short and pop flies
are easy to root for?
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Nov 7, 2011 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
GP, I swear if you don’t stop creating alternate user names…
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
LOL
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
and
no worse than whoever they think will be an upgrade. Cf. Cabrera, Melky.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
He’s better than Melky Cabrera.
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Debatable.
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Nov 7, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
Please do.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
Cody Ross has a career OPS+ of 105 with good defense. Melky Cabrera has a career OPS+ of 93 with bad defense.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
But he IS consistent.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
By no measure is Cody Ross’ defense “good.” Okay, acceptable, decent, better than Melky, but not good.
by Monkeyking42 on Nov 7, 2011 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
And whEn Cody gets ABs
he’s good for 15-20 HRS. You will not see Melky hit 18 ever again.
Don't believe everything you think.
Cabrera has averaged about 1.3 WAR/season (according to BR) and 1.1 WAR/season (according to Fangraphs)
Ross has averaged 1.68 WAR/season (according to BR) and 1.85 WAR/season (according to Fangraphs)
Cody Ross has had 3 1/2 seasons (the half being 2007 – 173 OPS+ in 173 PA) where he’s been an above-average hitter (OPS+ of 100 or higher). Cabrera has had one.
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Melky is a few years younger, so that’s nice, but it’s about all he has going for him over Ross.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
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Ross' defense didn't impress me last season
I know he was coming off injury, but he really looked a lot pokier than I’d remembered…like he had heavier legs
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Cabrera’s defense doesn’t seem to impress anyone either, though.
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he’s also cheaper. there’s no guarantee that Ross will get a raise over the $6.3M he made last season, but he probably will expect it.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 7, 2011 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
isn't there
a limit on the possible pay cut the team can propose as well? Like 20% or something?
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
Not in his case
For a player who is eligible for arbitration but still under team control (like, say, Lincecum), the team must offer at least 80% of the player’s previous season pay. But for a free agent like Ross, this requirement does not apply.
weird
so they can tender arb for, theoretically, $1? That would be mighty handy for a Type A FA.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
Tebow > Melky
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Debatable
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by Smoke on the Water on Nov 7, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
/sad tear
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
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by Murray, Present on Nov 7, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
IN THE ASS
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 7, 2011 11:37 AM PST reply actions
Just think of it as
Jonathan Sanchez, Thomas Neal, and Ryan Verdugo for Melky Cabrera AND Orlando Cabrera.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
by GiantPain on Nov 7, 2011 11:38 AM PST reply actions 10 recs
The Sabean Surpise!
I just knew he would suprise us. No way it was going to be Coco Crisp or Grady Sizemore or anyone else being mentioned. Sabean is all about the suprise, even if it’s a shit player.
Also, LOL Dirty.
fair enough
its a trade, it may or may not work out. forget the calculations or walks etc….put him in he lineup and play ball….
by Norman W. Albert on Nov 7, 2011 11:39 AM PST reply actions
So let's trade Lincecum for Omar Infante
Forget the calculations or walks, just put him in the lineup.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
No shit?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Wasn't he injured?
hankschulman Henry Schulman
Haha. Love some Gs fans. Hating on deal in which they get guy whose OPS in ‘11 would’ve ranked 2nd on Gs (not including Beltran) for …
15 minutes ago
hankschulman Henry Schulman
… a pitcher who had a 1.4+ WHIP and had to be yanked from rotation midseason as team questioned where his head was.
13 minutes ago
Oh, Hank. You used to be cool, back in the Abe Vigoda days. Now you’re just kind of a tool.
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Good Lord.
If you’re going to cite statistics, at least be responsible about it.
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Why start now?
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
If Cabrera puts up his ’10 numbers again, nobody will be complaining. But taking a look at his whole body of work, who knows… The Giants are the kings of the idealistic deal. “If this guy can just replicate that one great year…” —→ Rowand, Huff, Renteria…
Look, Sanchez had one good year. Cabrera has had one good year. It’s a crapshoot. But we need offense more than a 7th starting pitcher.
If Cabrera puts up his 2010 numbers again
I will DEFINITELY be complaining.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 7, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought the revisionist history “HE-WASN’T-REALLY-INJURED-THE-BRASS-JUST-DIDN’T-TRUST-HIM!” was Ratto’s schtick, not Schulman’s.
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
I'm sure I'm going to feel stupid about this later but ...
I don’t get it
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
Oh! Got it!
Thank you.
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
It’s a cherry picker.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
I do feel stupid now
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
It's a boom lift!
Schulman is known for boom lifting statistics to make a point.
Here's to the Dodgers and their bucket of suck.
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
when was he "yanked" from the rotation??
went on the DL…never went to bullpen. come on son.
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Kezargiants = Ed Lover??
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
Ed Lover ?? Name the rappers/directors in this pic.
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by lenscrafters on Nov 7, 2011 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
There's little reason to believe he's suddenly a .300 hitter
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so now
ranked 2nd on the 2011 Giants (not including Beltran) in OPS is a good thing?
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yes Hank
it’s also important to totally give up on every player that didn’t have a career year last year.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
I like this deal
Allows Sabean to spend on another need and we aren’t stuck complaining about Coco Crisp being paid 8 million dollars to sit behind Gary Brown in 2013…
by Michael Uhlhorn on Nov 7, 2011 11:40 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
They will not be spending elsewhere.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 7, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe not
But that wouldn’t be the worst thing either. The team needs to improve, but they need to keep enough flexibility to pay Lincecum and Cain.
by Michael Uhlhorn on Nov 7, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
That would be the worst thing.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
My lasting memory of Melky
That time he ate something off his bat.
My lasting memory of Melky:
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
by TheLetter2 on Nov 7, 2011 11:43 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
If this is the only move of the offseason, I hate it.
If this opens us up to pick up another bat, I am happy about it.
I'm in this line
I’d also like it more if they keep Torres as a 4th OF
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
BUT WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR SIGNING REYES AND BELTRAN!!!!!!!!!
Actually, does this mean bye-bye Beltran?
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 7, 2011 11:41 AM PST reply actions
This is a RDF move
The Giants main acquisitions over the offseason will be Melky and someone like Lolniesky.
Such bullshit.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 7, 2011 11:42 AM PST reply actions
Melky Cabrera is totally going to Casey McGehee next year
isn’t he
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Not as shortsighted as non-tendering Sanchez, but trade still risky
If a number of important assumptions are made:
- Vogelsong is unlikely to heavily regress in 2012;
- Andres Torres’s 2012 is more likely to resemble 2011 than 2010;
- Melky Cabera’s " "
- The starting pitching staff is likely to avoid any major injuries.
Then this trade, seems to me, to have real merit. However, Johnathan Sanchez, for all his considerable faults is a more effective pitcher than Barry Zito. The Giants might well regret further diminishing their pitching depth, especially when they have a player in Andres Torres who would play a better defensive CF than Melky and might well have out hit him as well.
you think it’s more likely that vogelsong is more like 2011 vogelsong than 2000-2010 vogelsong? Man i hope you’re right…
by Kevin Carter on Nov 7, 2011 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
It took me a long time
…but I’m convinced he just put it all together. Especially that game in Chicago with the whipping wind and pouring rain. That was one of the ballsiest starting performances I’ve ever seen.
We were in the stands shivering, dripping and cowering and I cuoldn’t figure out how he was even gripping the ball, much less dealing like he was.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
I think the really encouraging thing about Vogelsong was that he didn’t seem to be operating from a place of incredible luck. The luck that he got turned pretty good numbers into great ones. Regress him independent of his career, and he was performing well at sustainable levels. He could still blow up, but man there’s actually something to hold onto there.
This is maybe not the case with Melky.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Give Sabean credit- nobody saw this coming
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 7, 2011 11:44 AM PST reply actions
This was my initial reaction, as well. Sometimes I think he just does this kind of thing just to generate Epic Freakout Mode in the McC.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I wondered
why Grant was making up such nonsense for a Monday morning post.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
Damnit Sabean.
Stop getting the wrong one. Good luck Dirty, your eyebrows will be missed.
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by Giant_in_la_area on Nov 7, 2011 11:45 AM PST via mobile reply actions
OVER STYLED EYEBROWS
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
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Very true.
They’ll get nothing of exceptional value, just to make sure they aren’t paying Sanchez
My adopted son, Brandon Crawford. Dude hits grand slams and plays defense.
I really like this trade .........
since Cabrera’s numbers for 2011 are like a younger Carlos Beltran with .305 avg., 18 HRs, 87 RBIs, 102 runs, and 20 stolen bases while Sanchez has yet to show the control or focus to be a consistent winner! on top of that, the Giants really don’t need another starter, but they sure as hell need more offense!
it gets my stamp of approval.
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
the Giants really don’t need another starter
Uh, did you miss the parts of the season where we had Zito and Surkamp starting?
To be fair
All the evidence suggests that Surkamp will be better than he was last year.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Such as?
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Not all the evidence
He is a soft-tosser, and those guys’ minor-league numbers don’t necessarily translate to the majors as reliably as flamethrowers’ do.
Plus, I mean, in terms of all the evidence, we do have the five or so major-league starts that he had, in which he was pretty bad.
Those major-league starts involve such a small sample that they tell us nothing
If you’re going to use them, use equivalencies to convert them to the equivalent AA performance and add that to his actual AA performance to get a decent sample size. They don’t change much.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Yes
I was just having a bit of fun there. I believe my first point is the more salient one.
I can’t recall having seen any data about that point before, so I can’t speak to that. Can you provide some?
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Sorry, no
That’s anecdata. Perhaps somebody has looked at it quantitatively, but if so I don’t know about it. But I do know that scouts and prospect hounds are always deeply skeptical of guys like Surkamp and Pucetas who don’t throw hard but have great minor-league numbers. And obviously, again anecdotally, very few guys debut in the majors with sub-90 mph fastballs.
The counter-argument would be that this is exactly what Billy Beane was exploiting in Moneyball with the whole Chad Bradford thing.
A younger Carlos Beltran was a career 109 OPS+ hitter by the time he was 27, with a three year average of 122 (which came with an .876 OPS, mind you, as opposed to Melky’s shiny one-year 121 that came in at .809).
He is nothing like a younger Carlos Beltran.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
They’re both Latino!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Bilateral symmetry FTW!
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
No, no, I don’t think he did.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Really? All those exclamation points really make me wary of taking a comment seriously.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
Ah, man. I went into blur mode right after “Carlos Beltran”. Didn’t even see the exclamation points.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
I’m still going to disagree.
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God dammit. Just scrolled downthread.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
/ reaches hand down .......
come on, climb out. it’s okay. i was just kidding. lol!
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by GIANT stoner on Nov 7, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
When Carlos Beltran was 27, he was coming off four straight years of four straight years of 110 or better OPS+ – three of those four years better by OPS+ than the career year Melky just had – and had 146 career home runs and 192 career stole bases, versus Cabrera’s 58 home runs and71 stolen bases.
So, as comparisons go, that’s not the best one.
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Career BR WAR through age 27:
Beltran: 28.1
Cabrera: 7.7
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
or Fangraphs
Beltran: 29.5
Cabrera: 6.8
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
6.8 is also Beltran’s WAR the season he turned 26, amusingly enough.
CONVERSATION WITH MYSELF.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Four consecutive posts
Each one falling further into the chasm!
It was like watching somone fall in slow motion. Beautiful
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
IT'S THE STONER CONUNDRUM OKAY!?
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Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
lol .......
you’re welcome.
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
by GIANT stoner on Nov 7, 2011 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
Soooo...
He was coming off 16 straight years of 110 or better OPS+?
by BestHyperboleEver on Nov 7, 2011 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
Melky Cabrera is comparable to a younger Carlos Beltran.
Now I’ve heard it all.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 7, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
WOW .......
i got you ALL to fall in.
i think that’s a new record!
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
by GIANT stoner on Nov 7, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
I saw it coming a mile away
I guess I have to get the rope, then
You know what did it?
This post from the previous thread:
Do any of you guys ever consider….
sitting back, taking a deep breath, and pausing a couple seconds before you post to make sure what you’ve typed is reasonable, or hinged?
by Stoned Slacker on Nov 7, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
I’m not smart enough to tell the difference between GIANT stoner and Stoned Slacker so it seemed like you were consistently pro-the trade or at least anti-freaking out over the trade. :(
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
lol ......
well, you’ll be happy to know that i’m not Stoned Slacker …… neither online nor in the real world (i have a job and contribute to society).
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
by GIANT stoner on Nov 7, 2011 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
oooh good burn, sir.
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
by GIANT stoner on Nov 7, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
You want some Aloe for that burn ?
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
yes .......
Grant and i have our own comedy troupe. the Fontenots.
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
we tour the US during the off-season.
lol!
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
I call shenanigans.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 7, 2011 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
nope .........
was kidding all along. truth be told, we’re doomed.
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
by GIANT stoner on Nov 7, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
I am unbelieving you.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 7, 2011 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
Traded for Beans
I always liked Mung Beans. Never cooked or ate them, just liked to say ‘mung beans’. That’s a fun word.
Temperance, like Chastity is it's own punishment.
by wineguy73 on Nov 7, 2011 11:48 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
What is this, the Boston Red Sox?
CSNAuthentic Comcast SportsNet
It’s because the Giants are so pitching-loaded that they made the deal for Cabrera, says @RattoCSN cmcst.sn/aaatEG #SFGiants #NLWest
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
run jefffassero.exe
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
Intern seeking work
Are we sure that some intern wasn’t just fired after screwing up Sabean’s demand to “Get (Orlando) Cabrera no matter what it takes” ?
I mean
Melky will likely post an average OBP and play bad defense, and maybe sock a couple dingers. That is what it is. There’s value in that.
It’s not what I would have tried to get for Sanchez, but I highly doubt that there was another outfielder available for Sanchez + Verdugo who’s better than Melky.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Melky will likely post an average OBP and playbadawesome defense, and maybe sock a couple dingers. That is what it is. There’s value in that.
Isn’t that Torres?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Torres had a below average OBP this past year, so who knows
I love Torres, and I want him to be the starting CF next year. But if they switch it up and go with Belt / Torres / Cabrera in the OF, that’d be cool with me.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I have a hard time seeing Belt higher on the depth chart than Nate.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
Mostly because Belt will be in Houston by then.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
I don't.
But who knows.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Just because it’s what you would do doesn’t mean it’s the club’s priority. It seems pretty clear that they like Nate better.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
Doesn't seem clear to me at all.
Nate only got, what, 350 PAs last year? It’s not like they were running him out there every day.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
That was mostly because of injury, though, right?
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
Only after injuries to other players put him in the lineup in the first place.
Nate was in the “we’ll play him until he stops hitting” category of Bochy lineup construction. He kept it up until he got hurt.
by Monkeyking42 on Nov 7, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
Only after injuries to other players put him in the lineup in the first place.
So? That’s how Torres got his spot, and he didn’t give it up until he couldn’t hit for a bunch of months in a row.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
My point is Nate doesn’t get a season-long free pass like Huff. They played him as long as he hit, and if Belt had ever found his groove, they would have done the same for him. Maybe Nate’s higher in the depth chart, but I don’t see that they’re markedly different in management’s eyes. Neither has a locked-in spot, neither has been forgotten about.
Considering Nate is on the roster and Torres is a currently a free agent, and considering that Nate was playing well at the time of his injury whereas Torres was playing poorly before and after his injury, I’d say they are viewed vastly different in management’s eyes.
Nate Schierholtz wasn't born, he was built.
Then you keep Sanchez
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It’s not what I would have tried to get for Sanchez, but I highly doubt that there was another outfielder available for Sanchez + Verdugo who’s better than Melky.
I highly agree with this statement. Add in the Sanchez +Zito for the 5th starter was all wasted.
Contract year- Nobody acknowledges this as source of motivation to a player. Think what Huff did in 2010, Jason Bay did in 2009, Adrian Beltre 2010…. I think Melky will be at 110% of whatever workouts he did in between 2009 and 2010, going into a contract year.
by Myemail21479 on Nov 7, 2011 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
Contract year- Nobody acknowledges this as source of motivation to a player.
Actually, people talk about it all the time.
Also, give me a few minutes and I can show you plenty of examples of players having horrible contract years, too.
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just off the top of my head though
Adrian Beltre. In 2009. You know, one year before the contract year you mentioned.
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People have looked into the "contract year" thing
It has been pretty much proven to be a myth.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 7, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
it makes sense
when you assume everyone not in a contract year is trying to fail.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
Well, I mean, is the best way to get a contract to dick around for three years and then be really good for one, or to just be really good for four years? One of those guys is getting an awesome contract.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
LOL PUJOLS
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"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
That's because contract years are myths.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Think what Huff did in 2010,
What about what Huff did in 2009, which was also a contract year?
Jason Bay did in 2009
Which was the third best season of Bay’s career
, Adrian Beltre 2010
Or Beltre’s 2009, also a contract year.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
If anything, Sanchez' contract year would probably screw him up even more
Doesn’t strike me as a guy who does well under pressure
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Good point.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
September 2010-2010 NLDS
4-1, 1.05 ERA in 7 starts.
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Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Good thing that’s a huge sample size.
A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way. - SLC
it's not, obviously
But neither are the times when he’s pitched like shit under pressure.
It often seems like everyone remembers the time Sanchez melted down in the NLCS, but not the seven straight brilliant starts he had before that. That’s my point.
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Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
But before that was his "guarantee" game
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
The last few innings of his no hitter were probably high pressure.
He did alright there.
The “headcase” thing is way overblown. People assume because he walks guys it’s because his head isn’t in the game. Maybe it’s because he has no control.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
Not just the walks
Not covering his position assignments is pretty spacey
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Hey, even Tim did that. In the WS, no less.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Or, rather, something that was more or less that spacey.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
And that's my ongoing beef with Tim
He does spacey things but gets away with it because of his pitching.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Fine
Melky is going to suck, but at least we have only 1 rooster spot left and every free agent dollar available for it… COME ON REYES
by Myemail21479 on Nov 7, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Contract year only applies to Melky and not Sanchez?
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
But...
but I highly doubt that there was another outfielder available for Sanchez + Verdugo who’s better than Melky.
They could have just non-tendered Sanchez and played Torres in CF. They’d have saved more money that way, they’d still have Verdugo, and they would more than likely have a better centerfielder.
1. Sell low, buy high
2. Lateral acquisition at the cost of pitching depth
3. K% Fappage
4. Did I mention the pitching depth? And how dependent this team is on pitching?
5. Continued over-reliance on best-case scenarios
6. Prioritizing CF over SS.
7. Oh, what else? I did remember to mention the pitching depth? And how dependent this team is on pitching? And how dependent this team is on best-case scenario pitching?
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
Oh yeah: that defense thing.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
But you left out how dependent the team is on pitching depth.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Damn.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
Not going to disagree with you over your list, but it’s hard to know that they’re prioritizing CF since we have no idea what they’re going to do for SS. They could be sending love poems to Reyes on a daily basis for all we know.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 7, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
Well, it’s being “sourced” that the Giants are now strongly considering Crawford as the everyday SS in 2012.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
the off-season just began so nobody knows. Nobody should listen to any rumor about anyone until it happens
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 7, 2011 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t know. Between the shiny infield defense, the relatively low K rate, and the team’s record in games that he started last season, I wouldn’t put it past them.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
Well, did the same sources telegraph the Sanchez-Melky trade?
The one thing we know is that, more often than not, Sabean doesn’t do what people anticipate from him.
trading for Beltran is the one recent example I can think of.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Uh, everyone anticipated the Beltran trade. Did you mean the Cabrera The First trade?
GROUGTHINK ALERT
Maybe he meant who we gave up for Beltran. I certainly didn’t expect that.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
I meant example of an anticipated move
I should have been more clear…and you should have known I’m not that stupid
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Oh, I was confused by you saying the opposite of what you meant
Freddy Sanchez is another counter-example.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The Garko trade that year was also very much anticipated.
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Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
It was?
I remmeber being at the meet-up and everyone seemed surprised
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
I think what people were surprised about is who they gave up – as I recall there was talk they were going after Garko for some time.
I could be remembering wrong, though.
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there are a couple of mentions of the Giants being interested in Garko from MLBTR
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/giants-considering-many-bats.html
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/talkin-giants-baseball.html
Nothing terribly concrete though.
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I thought groupthink says don't take anything they say seriously
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
True, the sourced angle is pretty weak.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
"cheap with the potential to be pretty danged good"
Sounds like what they just traded for – a guy entering his prime years signed to a incredibly inexpensive contract who’s coming off a career year and playing for a new contract. All for an erratic pitcher with control problems who’s only had one good season and was probably going to be a candidate for non tender. Call me crazy, but I don’t have a problem with this.
California Leaguers beware: Chris Gloor will strike you out faster than you can say "Quinnipiac", or he would have if he had pitched more than five innings this year before getting hurt...
by crazedcrustacean on Nov 7, 2011 11:50 AM PST reply actions
by the way, the last time the Giants traded pitching for a 27-year old position player coming off the best season of his career and I hated it
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/pierza.01.shtml
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JPosnanski Joe Posnanski
I’m sure Giants fans can convince me otherwise, but at first blush I LOVE the Melky-Sanchez deal for the Royals.
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
No, we can't Joe. No we can't.
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I said it before: I don’t mind Melky in a vacuum. I don’t even necessarily mind Melky for Sanchez in a vacuum.
But the trade represents everything that is dumb about this organization. It is a fucking microcosm.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
He does have “Giant” written all over him
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 7, 2011 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
I dont’ mind Melky in a vacuum, but he might mind. It’d be awful hard to breath in there.
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He could bring his inflated BABIP with him and breathe out of that for a while.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
Vacuum?
I don’t even know what this is! This sort of thing ain’t my bag, baby.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
This trade sucks!
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
I can be persuaded if the idea is turning Guapo’s money into a useful OF.
Any more than that? Crazysauce.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
we need baseball back
OldHossRadbourn Old Hoss Radbourn
All of this chatter about the M. Cabrera/J. Sanchez trade is proof positive that Sweet Mercy we need base ball back again now.
Pitching and defense wins championships, but oh those dingerz....
<3
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Zito
The fans are not going like seeing Zito get shelled every fifth game. Ownership must be putting pressure on Sabean to play him so he can earn some of the huge amounts of money he’s getting paid. Sabean already said Eric Surkamp isn’t MLB ready yet.
My Firefox tab for this thread reads
“Melky for Jonathan: Knee-Jerk Anal…”
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
LOL
Same! Thanks for pointing that out!
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
Question?
What’s an average BABIP supposed to be?
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Oh! Oh! Groug taught me this. .300 for hitters. For pitchers it varies. I think I got that right.
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The opposite is true.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Damn. Damn, damn, damn. I let myself and the community down. This is why I should just talk about boys and the Today show.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
I’m listening …
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
Blah blah Dave Garroway blah C.J. Wilson blah blah Barbara Walters blah transatlantic communications blah blah Brian McCann blah teletype machines blah blah JIM JAM blah
/repeat until March
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Well if you’re going to repeat that until March, please include some men that I find attractive. That list was sorely missing my personal taste in hotties.
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
Refresh my memory. Crawford? Torres, I think? Who else? My mind is blank.
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As far as baseball goes
Giants:
Manny Burris
Javier Lopez
Brian Wilson (pre-beard)
Pat Burrell
Rest of the league:
Curtis Granderson
Grady Sizemore
Derek Lee
Nick Markakis
Robbie Cano
Austin Jackson
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
but that’s just off the top of my head
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
I like the diversity there. Interesting.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
LOL, diversity shouldn’t be too surprising, you like guys from other teams (non-Giants/Braves) too. There’s a lot of pretty out there.
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
I meant racial diversity. I always seem to go for the stocky white guys. You have a great blend in there.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Ohhhhh
Yeah, well, as far as I’m concerned, sexy knows no ethnic lines. Hot is hot.
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
This
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
I’m going to eat some bullion cubes so I can be stockier for you.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
Man, that was pretty bad.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
Wait, did I even get that pun right?
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
BOUILLON!
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
Are you just pulling my leg? Because I am about some Heath Bell.
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Heath Bell does not come in small quantities.
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Wow
I don’t even want to know how you found this out
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
Alternatively, I GiantPain’d him.
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LOL
I knew what you meant, it’s just that can’t pass up an opportunity to completely miss the point, or so I’ve recently been told on here.
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
TAKE COVER!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 7, 2011 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
FIne, don’t you sleep with him, then.
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
My thoughts exactly
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
The range for hitters is pretty wide. An average BABIP for a hitter is right around that hitter’s career average BABIP.
For Melky, it’s a hair under .300.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
hankschulman Henry Schulman
I wish Twitter were around when Sabes dealt M Williams for Kent/Tavarez/etc. in 1996.
What about Nathan / Liriano / Boof for AJ, 27 year old coming off his best season? Oh wait.
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
why does schulman always toe the company line
he really doesn’t need to but always does on trades. even defended the O. cabrera trade.
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He’s old, cranky and thinks he knows better? Hates the use of new statistics? Who knows.
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It’s all of this, especially hating new stats.
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
He wants to continue his employment ?
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Why comment about the twitter outpouring at all? There’s no benefit to him except to sound smug about it.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
Prolly lives in central Ohio.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
I remember the first or second time I met Baron, she said that she met Hank Schulman and he was a pretty nice guy who wasn’t smug at all, which wasn’t what she was expecting. And I thought (and possibly said, but I’m not sure) that Hank never seemed smug.
Whoops! Just one more way that BVCE is smarter than me.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
Because he gets all defensive and blustery when you call him on it
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 7, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
To be fair
We would have killed Sabean for the Matt Williams deal. On the other hand nobody could have anticipated MVP years for Jeff Kent.
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the trade was killed by pretty much everyone
If I had access to the Chronicle’s database, I bet I could even find Schulman having not-nice things to say about it.
Just not on Twitter.
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“All of sudden I went from being the guy who is going to help the club to being an idiot,” said Sabean. “Well, I’m not an idiot.”
LOL When was he the guy who was going to help the club?
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 7, 2011 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, no. Remember when Nixon said he wasn’t a crook, and it turned out he was?! THIS IS THE SAME THING! Sabean is an idiot!
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Nixon was a crook?
C’mon, dude, at least give us a spoiler warning!
"If it's weird, you know it's probably Wilson's." - Matt Cain
I bet there’s some Today show archive footage regarding Nixon
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Well Done Sir !
Exactly what I was hoping for
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March 15, 1971
Barbara Walters scores an extensive interview with Nixon, which is played in its entirety in Today’s first hour.
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"Mr. President, If you were a tree..
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AT LEAST HE WASNT JIMMY CARTER
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
Of course, alt.sports.baseball.sf-giants was around then, and Schulman read it, and even participated a couple of times, and had nice things to say about it…
…but I guess it’s easier for him to toe the line now, and be all “LOL INTERNET.”
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oh man I sold 3500 dollars of magic cards on rec.games.trading-cards.magic.sales
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
In the previous post
where Grant talked about Sabean being Sabean and trying somebody who probably shouldn’t be a CF at CF because he’s Sabean… I just think it’s interesting that A) this is undeniably true, and B) it has somehow never applied to Nate Schierholtz. Because fuck, there’s no way one of the greatest right fielders in the game could possibly play a reasonably ok center.
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by Smoke on the Water on Nov 7, 2011 12:04 PM PST reply actions
Word
I’d be a lot cooler with this trade if it puts Melky in Right and Nate in Center. I am convinced that Nate owuld be an above average CFer
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On the whole, I like this trade so long as Sabean/Bochy are flexible about the notion that Cabrera is a CF. If he tries him there and he can’t hack it, can we move him to a corner? If so, I’m down with this trade. I’ll miss the annual Grant posts about how “gee, this Sanchez guy could be Randy Johnson if he figured out how not to walk people,” though. Those always filled me with a strange mixture of cynicism and irrational hope.
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by Smoke on the Water on Nov 7, 2011 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
Latinos are better at CF than white guys
Duh
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
>_<
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by GIANT stoner on Nov 7, 2011 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
Gonna Miss Sanchez Some
I like that guy. However, the Giants are not going to commit money to him, with Cain, Timmy and MadBum already in the fold. Would not happen. So in a way, this was forced.
If it keeps Coco Crisp out of PacBell its a good trade. If Torres is gone, its not. Sanchez just didn’t have much trade value. I’m shocked that Cabrera hasn’t turned 27 yet. That could be counted as progress?
Assumption
However, the Giants are not going to commit money to him, with Cain, Timmy and MadBum already in the fold
To me, the wild card follow-up question to that “problem” is “How much more can you get for Cain?” Timmy’s the Franchise and MadBum has too many team control years left.
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Knee-jerk analysis
FUCKING SHIT MONKEY FUCK
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
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by marcello on Nov 7, 2011 12:07 PM PST reply actions 8 recs
Theoretically the conference call with reporters is happening now
The big question is whether the Giants see Melky as an everyday center fielder or not. If they don’t, it likely means no Beltran.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Why? Because that means a guaranteed start for Belt or Schierholtz?
Yeah, right. Giants ain’t promising those two nuthin’.
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 7, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
Well no,
It’s because I don’t see it as particularly likely that they’d acquire two corner outfielders when they’ve spent all their time talking about how much they need a center fielder (which they don’t, but it’s beyond the point).
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Smokescreens!
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by Smoke on the Water on Nov 7, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
IAWTC
They’ll add the $800k to the $1M they were going to offer Beltran for a 1 year deal.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
So this sucks.
If the Giants were smart (they don’t think Melky is a CF), then they don’t get Beltran. If the Giants were dumb (they think he can be a CF), then they get Beltran.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
He has to be an everyday player
Trading a starting pitcher for a rotation outfielder is stupid for even Sabean.
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
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by Murray, Present on Nov 7, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
Not if you weren't going to tender said starting pitcher.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
He’ll be what the Giants excel at— a 4th outfielder
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 7, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It could be
Melky, Torres, Beltran in the OF with Nate in the back up spot again. Or Melky, Nate, Beltran.
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And Belt traded for Hamburger.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
He's not playing till Huff is gone anway
Sucks but we have to resign ourselves to it.
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I just want that guy Hamburger.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
Chris Hamburger plays baseball?
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
Mark.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
My sense is that they seem him as an everyday CF – and if they don’t, then we still have Crisp to look forward to.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
Didn’t Bochy say that right field was Nate’s to lose?
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 7, 2011 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
They all say lots of shit.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Hey, remember when Bengie definitely wasn’t coming back after 2009?
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That ship had sailed!
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AmyG says the Giants are “definitely” in on Beltran.
neener neener.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
That would make sense if they see Melky as a CF.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Shea tweeted something like this
Cabrera CF
Sanchez 2B
Posey C
Beltran LF
Panda 3B
Huff/Belt 1B
Nate RF
Brandon SS
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
That's fine I guess
But it’s really not any better than a lineup with Torres at the top.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
They could bring Andres back on the cheap, no?
With Melky in CF, a team with hopefully “average” offense is going to need a defensive replacement in CF.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
This is what I'm thinking
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
And Belt shouldn’t be in any sort of platoon situation as playing him full-time could be the best “addition” the team will make offensively
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 7, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
Didn't Beltran say they needed to address CF?
Sure, maybe he’s wrong, but if making this move was a necessary pre-requisite to bringing Beltran back, then it’s not the end of the world.
Well, naturally.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not sure it’s a good idea to structure our offseason around moves that would make Carlos Beltran happy, given that he’ll probably just sign with whoever offers him the most money anyway.
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by Smoke on the Water on Nov 7, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
He very well might be at that point
…where he he won’t go for the highest dollars but the team that he thinks can get a ring
Dude’s made an buttload of money and is nearing the end
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
NO REALLY, GUYZ! WE ARE DEFINITELY TRYING!!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 7, 2011 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
I look forward to the freakout when they over pay for Beltran.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
You should look forward to the Giants not paying him at all
Because that is what is most likely to happen.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 7, 2011 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
I think they’ll bring him back.
/shakes your hand
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
I too am strangely optimistic on Beltran
Less optimistic that we see any sort of an upgrade at SS, which is amazing considering it was by far our weakest position last year.
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by Smoke on the Water on Nov 7, 2011 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
Sabez wants to prove he didn’t give up Wheeler for nothing, so assuming he can get ownership to give him the cash I think he’s going to make a big push to keep Beltran.
I agree with your agree
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
i agree with your agree to his agree.
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by GIANT stoner on Nov 7, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, but you are admittedly stoned.
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Agreed with the agreeance.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
I’d probably be okay with an overpay for Beltran.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
Sounds right.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
Here we go
JohnSheaHey John Shea
Bochy said he might not commit to a position for Melky until spring training. That leaves open possibility to acquire another OF.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Backup 1B.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
possibility to acquire another OF.
Hopefully Carlos Beltran.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
Why Crisp?
If we have Sizemore for CF in that scenario, and Torres to back him up…who needs Crisp?
y'know the worst thing about this trade
I read about it just when I was about to get to work. So now I’ve been freaking out about this terrible trade for an hour instead of getting shit done.
IT’S YOUR FAULT I’M NOT BEING PRODUCTIVE, SABES!!!!!
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
“Hi class – today we’re going to watch two episodes of The Wire. Take good notes.”
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
heh
They actually are watching an episode of The Wire on Thursday!
I’m pretty much up to speed right now on my teaching, actually. But I need to read about 70 pages of Leaves of Grass and about 100 pages of Beloved by tomorrow.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Beloved is Sethe’s, Sethe is Beloved’s. Denver gets shit done.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
100 pages down.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
(And just in case, that was fairly spoiler free)
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
I've read it twice before actually
But I should still read it again (and I want to – I’m a fan, though I think I like Song of Solomon better).
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Okay. I was pretty sure it wasn’t your first time through. But who really knows? There are all sorts of books I should have read three times by now but haven’t read once.
/For Whom the Bell Tolls’d.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
I have some of those, too.
I’ve only read one book by Faulkner, for example. And I’ve barely touched French or Russian lit.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Best Teacher Ever
Proud adoptee of Dick Tidrow the mastermind behind Tim Lincecum, Matt Cain, Buster Posey and many more. Also known as "The Reason".
I’m in this boat too. Haven’t done a thing in about twenty minutes
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 7, 2011 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
LOL reading Taiwan Board for reaction
http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/MLB/M.1320689846.A.643.html
There’s an awesome part in English.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
it’s a joke about how someone once compared Cabrera as having Hall of Fame potential
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
my favorite part though
Sabean: “I got M. Cabrera!”
Everyone Else: “You do know it was Melky, right?”
Sabean: “Shit.”
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Who was Jonathan almost traded for?
A retrospective brought to you by the mlbtraderumors database.
December, 2007 – Sanchez listed among possible pitchers that might offered for Miguel Tejada; talks are reported about swapping Sanchez for Hideki Matsui.
March, 2008 – White Sox request Sanchez for Joe Crede.
July, 2008 – Sabean explains he doesn’t want to trade Sanchez; rumor suggests Rangers want Sanchez for Hank Blalock.
October, 2008 – Chicago-based writer thinks the Giants would have to part with Sanchez or Cain for Derrek Lee, Paul Konerko, or Dan Uggla.
December, 2008 – Rumored swap of Sanchez for Jorge Cantu; another mention of Sanchez/Blalock; Rockies say they would trade Garrett Atkins for Sanchez; Sabean claims they are open to offers at the end of the month.
February, 2009 – Sabean can’t imagine trading Sanchez.
May, 2009 – Sabean is supposedly dangling Sanchez for a bat; Uggla, Cantu, and Carlos Lee are mentioned.
June, 2009 – Apparently, nobody even wants Sanchez.
July, 2009 – No, wait! The Padres will take him…for Scott Hairston; Sanchez also shows up in a rumor for Freddy Sanchez; Nationals asked for Sanchez in return for Nick Johnson. Of note: Sanchez throws a no-hitter!
December, 2009 – Talks supposedly take place with Marlins that would involve Sanchez, Clayton Tanner, and a midlevel pitching prospect for Dan Uggla.
July, 2010 – The Giants are reluctant to part with Sanchez for Corey Hart; Sanchez is listed as the kind of "legit major leaguer" the Blue Jays would want for Jose Bautista; Nationals want Sanchez or Bumgarner for Adam Dunn.
October, 2010 – Nationals also apparently asked for Sanchez or Bumgarner for Josh Willingham.
July, 2011 – Sanchez could be traded for Carlos Beltran?
Nov, 2011 – Sanchez traded for Melky Cabrera.
Look through the rumors yourself at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/jonathan_sanchez/
Most of the rumors are probably bullshit, obviously, but even in retrospect a lot of these trades sound bad.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
The Giants are reluctant to part with Sanchez for Corey Hart; Sanchez is listed as the kind of “legit major leaguer” the Blue Jays would want for Jose Bautista
These were the ones I really wanted. Few here agreed with me. TREMBLE BEFORE MY ROSTERBATORY POWERS.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Fallacious.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
WE ARE SLOWLY GETTING BETTER CABRERAS
come on asdrubal!
The first six innings are overrated.
by apistat on Nov 7, 2011 12:17 PM PST via mobile reply actions
JohnSheaHey John Shea
Sabean on where Melky will hit in lineup: “I don’t think we’re ready to commit at this time.”
That’s interesting. I think if they thought MELKY IS OUR LEADOFF GUY they probably just woulda said it.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
COCO CRISP C'MON DOWN
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
pls stop toying with my emotions.
kthxbai
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
If they sign Reyes, they can make whatever stupid trades they want as far as I'm concerned.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Except that Melky takes up a spot on the 40-man that I would love to have open. Sabes should have traded Dirty for a team-controlled minor league prospect if he couldn’t get anyone better than Melky. Lord knows that the Royals have a stacked farm system. Dirty + Verdugo for Wil Myers anyone?
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
I really see Melky as a Rowand style 25-man black hole for this team. His strong 2011 season will likely be a mirage when he gets back to the NL and has to face the very difficult NL West pitchng.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
this could happen
but at least he’ll only be a black hole of suck for one year.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 7, 2011 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
R.I.P. ..............
:(
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
by GIANT stoner on Nov 7, 2011 12:18 PM PST reply actions 8 recs
I really will miss him.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
I won’t miss his eyebrows
The San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
I'M A GIRL
by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
Amen!
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
This line, I’m in it.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
Wait, wait, wait
I’ve suddenly understood Sabes’s thinking on this. Remeber when Beltran said he wouldn’t consider re-signing with the Giants unless they came up with another really good hitter? I’m sure Beltran’s worry has now been assuaged.
Sabes = Genius >>>> WINNING!!!
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
He didn’t quite realize that he was the good hitter that needed to be signed before he signed
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 7, 2011 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
whatever...
Extend Cain,
Pay Reyes,
Get Beltran for 2years,
Play Belt at 1B
If they don’t get crisp because of this.. fine..just do the things posted above.
I'm a failure. I can't even fake the death of a stripper.
-GOB Bluth
They’ll probably extend Cain. The rest? LOL.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
I don't hate this trade
If it’s the biggest acquisition of the offseason, I hate it. If Torres is in a different uni and Crawford starts at SS, I really hate it. If Melky takes Belt’s opening day start, pitchforks, torches.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 7, 2011 12:23 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions 4 recs
You complete me.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
This still makes me laugh
The San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
I'M A GIRL
by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
I’ll miss this pic
The San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
I'M A GIRL
by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
/pours one out for the Tres Sanchez'
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 7, 2011 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
First one should read
“The OH GOD MY SHOULDER”
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
rec'd
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
On the upside...
…Sabean is running out of terrible Cabreras to sign. Yes, there are a few more, but….
Sorry. Even I can’t believe my own BS on this one.
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
Now this would compensate for a lot
JeffPassan Jeff Passan
The full list of Yoenis Cespedes suitors from @TBrownYahoo: Yankees, Phillies, Marlins, Blue Jays, Giants, Nationals, Indians, A’s, Pirates.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
wha??
extrabaggs Andrew Baggarly
Bochy said he asked Pablo Sandoval if he’d gained weight. Pablo said no. Pledged to come into camp lighter than when he arrived last spring
also
extrabaggs Andrew Baggarly
As for one inning in OF in Taiwan, Bochy said Sandoval begged for a chance to play out there for fun. Nothing more to it.
That’s cool.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
If only we could invent some way to
objectively and accurately measure a player’s weight…
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
I picture something involving a swimming pool, a crane lowering Panda, and a measurement of displaced water.
“Give me a lever long enough, and I could move the Panda.”
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Nov 7, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
But that’s volume!
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
George IV got so fat
they invented a ladder/pulley system to get him on a horse.
That’s your historical factoid for the day.
by mrs. owlcroft on Nov 7, 2011 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
If the honor system isn’t good enough for you, then I hope science comes up with something damned soon.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
Hardcore South Beach diet in January.
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Nov 7, 2011 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
liar
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
yeah
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 7, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
He should have pledged to come back with two working shoulders.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 7, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
Hey Gays
Sabean will feel like getting Melky for CF and the return of Buster P. Baby and F. Sanchez will be enough of an offensive upgrade to not re-sign Beltran (Juggernate in right) and start Crawford at SS.
You fuckers just wait and see.
by ThePasswordisWillieMcgee on Nov 7, 2011 12:27 PM PST reply actions
This is what will happen.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 7, 2011 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
I no Gay, you Gay
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
Man, this meme lives on, eh?
/ashamed
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Oh wait
You were the one who created that maymay? I was attributing it to Heimy. Oops.
The San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
I'M A GIRL
by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
As if it hasn't already been said enough already...
WELL THIS WAS STUPID.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
WELL THIS WAS STUPID.
I would like to subscribe to your one page newsletter.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Sabean being Sabean, hoping to save money and catch lightning in a bottle at the same time.
I suppose that it is better than getting Coco Crisp, but not much.
extrabaggs Andrew Baggarly
Sabean unsure how Melky move will affect Andres Torres. Also said more discussions needed before they decide whether to go after another SP.
WHY IS MELKY
Mayor of Smug.
I was about to post that. I call bullshit.
by free f.p. #14 on Nov 7, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
This simply means nobody wanted Jonathan Sanchez and this was the best deal they could get if true
It might not be a lie. I wouldn’t want to pay much for J. Sanchez for his salary either.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Considering the off-season offiicially started last week, I can’t believe he either did a trade this early or saw this as the best possible trade ever. Would have killed Sabean to hold on to Sanchez for a few months to see what pops up or did he panic?
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 7, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
This simply means,
They didn’t need to trade him. They actually had a use for him but couldn’t be objective about it. Just like they did with Joe Nathan.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
So I really hope that pitcher costs less than 5 million and is better than Jonathan Sanchez
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
Does this moron have any idea what he’s doing?
Proud adoptee of Dick Tidrow the mastermind behind Tim Lincecum, Matt Cain, Buster Posey and many more. Also known as "The Reason".
You might think about a new hobby
While “irrational” is the word of the day, you’re taking it twice as far as anyone else.
by Stoned Slacker on Nov 7, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
How about this?
You let me be twice as irrational, and you move on an not read my posts. That way it works out for everyone.
Proud adoptee of Dick Tidrow the mastermind behind Tim Lincecum, Matt Cain, Buster Posey and many more. Also known as "The Reason".
Does he mean emotionally? Because Andres won’t be on the roster either way.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
good to see they had this all planned out and know what they’re doing
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 7, 2011 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
Odds of a 50-game suspension in 2012 or 13?
extrabaggs Andrew Baggarly
Melky Cabrera said weight training was the reason for his breakout season. He’ll use the same program this winter.
Best shape of his life!
I'm a failure. I can't even fake the death of a stripper.
-GOB Bluth
ah yes
good ol’ vitamins H, G, and H
I keed, I keed (probably)
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 7, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
Malky Cabrera
now with more Vitamin R!
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
Sabean’s great-great-great-great grandfather: “We have just traded a handful of shiny beads for Manhattan”
McCovey Chronicles 1700 equivalent : “Sabean is a braindead retard I hate these guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
in this metaphor Andres Torres is the Manhattan tribe
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 7, 2011 12:33 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
haha
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 7, 2011 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
“These beads can play centerfield, right?”
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 7, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
and has posted superficially good numbers in a great pitchers’ park.
Sigh.
1) Not really true
2) Sanchez has virtually no home/road split, career-wise.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
pretty funny ......
I’m outraged!
Or thrilled. I really don’t know.
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
by GIANT stoner on Nov 7, 2011 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
That will be them watching Durty from start to start as well.
Hey KC retailers: better stock up on the Tums and Rolaids!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
On balance, they like it
Cabrera has not one but two ready replacements. They see it as a sell high / buy low for a pitcher who will probably resolve his issues on a new team as a #3 guy in a contract year.
They’re probably right.
We’ll see which version of the Melk Man we get in SF.
Repost since I got chopped in the first freakout thread.
A lot of irrational hatred being directed toward John Sanchez.
He had a really bad 100 innings last season. But look at the big picture folks.
Lincecum K%, BB % 2007-2011
K% BB%
24.30% 10.50%
28.60% 9.10%
28.80% 7.50%
25.80% 8.50%
24.40% 9.60%
Sanchez: K%, BB % 2007-2011
26.10% 11.80%
22.60% 10.80%
24.90% 12.40%
25.30% 11.80%
23.00% 14.90%
Sanchez had a really bad year last year. Previous to last year his numbers were all on pretty good trends. The K% was up three years in a row, the BB% was pretty steady. He just had one crappy season in which he threw 100 IP and some of them probably not in his best health. This looks personal to me, not objective, this desparation to move Sanchez.
I am not trying to say that Sanchez is Lincecum or anything close to it. Just trying to show that he’s kinda similar, and that if he could ever drop his BB% under 10, he could be really, really good.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
Considering he's 29 this year, I'd say 2010 was his peak year and he is probably never going to improve from here on out
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
But he'd still probably put up 24% and 12% or something like that.
Most people seem to think he’s a lost cause. BTW, Lincecum is only a year younger…
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
I don’t think Lincecum will improve from here on out either. This is his peak.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I agree.
The point is, this guy is still a 24% 12% type pitcher. Not the mess we saw last year.
And that is worth keeping around.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
Dave Cameron posted an interesting piece on Fangraphs today
about the fallacy of the “if only Sanchez could reduce his BB%” line of thinking.
Basically, Dave argued that Sanchez gets a lot of Ks and BBs because he throws up in the zone, and that better control (i.e. more strikes) would actually lead to fewer BBs but also fewer Ks.
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
and also, ROCKIES WILL WIN THE NL WEST!
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
sure. maybe. could happen.
He had a season like that in 2008 with bad results…I would have prefered he stuck around or that he was just non tendered and the savings was added to a Beltran offer.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
That makes sense intuitively.
Especially since a decent amount of strike outs are balls out of the zone.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
This is a weird article
I’m not exactly sure what his support is for any of this.
Of course not
extrabaggs Andrew Baggarly
GIants will not be involved on Cuban defector Cespedes, Sabean said.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Fuck
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
It's so obvious he is going to the Marlins
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Absolutely this.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
I think this is likely
But to say you aren’t in at all is troubling
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Not when he gets a look at the new uniforms
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Nov 7, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
or their new logo .......
/shutters.
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
by GIANT stoner on Nov 7, 2011 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
This is actually growing on me.
The Marlin/spaceship thingy could have been done better, but it’s growing on me.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
You may want to go see a doctor about that.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
Villalona shooting someone might have something to do with this
by ThePasswordisWillieMcgee on Nov 7, 2011 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
o_O
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
Or giving 2.5 mil to Rafael Rodriguez
Who is terrible
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
This is great Sabean logic
I gave lots of money to a bad player, and it worked out bad. Therefore, can’t give lots of money to anyone, even a good player.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
by GiantPain on Nov 7, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
What is the advantage of saying this?
What does Sabean gain by saying they aren’t even interested?
by ThePasswordisWillieMcgee on Nov 7, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
Man, we are a conflicting bunch aren't we
WTF SABES WHY ARE YOU LYING YOU NEED TO JUST TELL US THE TRUTH.
WTF SABES WHY ARE YOU TELLING THE TRUTH THERE IS NOTHING TO BE GAINED BY TELLING THE TRUTH
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Yay!
This basically guarantees we are going to get him!
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 7, 2011 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
This, forever
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
by GiantPain on Nov 7, 2011 12:36 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Oh. Yay. More Mad Men.
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
I can’t wait for the new season to get cranked up.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Oh, that was complete sarcasm. I have no problem with the show per se, it’s the reaction to it that bothers me.
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
NO, moreso the nostalgia for the time period and culture of “when men were men and women were women.”
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t know why “no” was in all caps there. I didn’t mean to yell it at you.
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
As opposed to now, when we are all amorphous blobs of pure energy.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I’m a man who isn’t a man.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I ain’t no girl, and I got the man parts to prove it.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
/grabs crotch
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Hey, I know that.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
In all seriousness
I don’t mind being a woman. In fact, I enjoy it. I also enjoy accentuating my physical attributes and cooking for my significant other and keeping a clean household and looking as nice as possible at all times. But the second that starts being expected of me simply because of my gender, I want to bitch slap someone.
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
My mom's been a business owner my entire life
I cleaned my own stuff.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Ok
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
Which was not to mean anything negative towards anyone
I agree with you.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I’ve never been a girlie girl. And I get tired of all women being lumped into this broad [hehehe] category of ooooooooooooooh “let’s go shoe shopping and fix each other’s hair.” BORING!
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Shoes. Let’s get some shoes.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t get the shoe thing, either. One of my co-workers is obsessed with shoes. But then, there’s that whole MST3K thing, so I guess I’m not one to talk.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
:^DDDDDDD
I may watch Time Chasers later tonight.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
We watched The Leech Woman over the weekend. Worst. Makeup. Ever.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Terrible. I love the early season eight black-and-white shlockers.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
We skip over the MST skits, tho. Once they lost Trace, they just got stupid.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
My tastes vary. I find myself liking the Mike-era host segments more than the Joel-era ones. And there are some days I don’t feel like watching the segments at all and instead just see the movie.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
This pretty much.
Joel never had a good comic delivery in those skits.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I used to love that video when I was in college. Now it’s lost a lot of it’s appeal. Muffins and Love Letters are still funny though.
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
I only watched it a few times, so the novelty is still sort of there.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I smoked a lot of weed in college. If I saw something on youtube during that time period, I saw it a billion times (rough estimation).
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
I’d like to subscribe you newsletter.
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
When Buddha returns, we all take liquid form and merge into a shimmering ocean of knowledge, which according to Scripture tastes like Hawaiian Punch).
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
The Great Link!
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
Skyward Sword!
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Well, that Female Changeling was a bitch.
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
ORDER
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
I love how basically by the end of the 24th century the Federation has caused the end of the major powers of both the Gamma and Delta quadrants.
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
Oh, it’s more than that. The official universe goes through the books now and the Borg is over.
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
I would imagine that nostalgia is limited (mostly) to those who actually lived during that time period. Otherwise, the show pretty obviously does not glamorize that particular fondness.
Replace nostalgia with romanticism for those folks.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 7, 2011 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
That’s true. I was stunned when I saw Betty casually smoking and drinking while pregnant in the…second or third season? I think that’s right. It was shocking to me.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
my favorite shocking part like that was when they went on a picnic and after they were done eating they just shook all the trash off the blanket and left all the litter there. To top it off, Don crushed his beer can and fired it into the bushes.
WWRWD?
This is what necessitated the crying Indian dude PSA… people just dumped their trash wherever they happened to be.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 7, 2011 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
My mom smoked and drank all the way through four pregnancies!
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 7, 2011 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
The show doesn’t, which is why it doesn’t really bother me, but there is a growing culture of young men who have adopted that attitude nonetheless, which is really obnoxious. It’s similar to the Chapelle Show phenomenon. They’re romanticizing the very thing the show is making social commentary on.
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
We just started season two. It’s hard to find characters on the show (male and female) who aren’t assholes.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Harry and Sal seem to be the only reasonably sympathetic male characters.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
I mean…
Uh…
Help me out here, Person.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
I don’t know their names anyway. Now worries.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Wait… is Sal the gay one?
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
NO THAT'S KEN
heeheehee
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
BELLHOP STANDING IN HIS PERSONAL AREA.
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
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by Murray, Present on Nov 7, 2011 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
SEINFELD
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
Was there such a time period? My mom always worked and played sports. Women worked during WWII… Are we basing the sociology of time periods on Ozzie & Harriet reruns?
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
People always do this. “Let’s get back to the good ol’ days!” Those days never existed but it doesn’t stop people from convincing themselves (and trying to convince others) that they did.
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
OldHossRadbourn Old Hoss Radbourn
If making lascivious and naughty suggestions to female underlings is now considered a bad thing then I’m glad I’m dead.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
fuck
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
LOL
I couldn’t figure out why you wanted to cross all that out
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
Can we please trade with the Pirates again?
Pretty please?
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I'm surprised Sabean doesn't engineer more trades with Agent Ned
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
I know, right?
Matt Kemp plays CF!
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 7, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
Your 2012 SF Giants:
Cabrera
Sanchez
Pablo
Posey
Huff
Schierholtz
Belt
Crawford
by ThePasswordisWillieMcgee on Nov 7, 2011 12:43 PM PST reply actions
/Belt OPS’s 900+ in AAA
/Call up Belt
/Belt fails to hit 3 HR in first three games
/Send Belt down
/Belt OPS’s 900+ in AAA
/Call him a AAAA player
/Count money
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
"You're being irrational" - Stoned Slacker
Proud adoptee of Dick Tidrow the mastermind behind Tim Lincecum, Matt Cain, Buster Posey and many more. Also known as "The Reason".
Dammit
Will people please stop rosterbating Nate into the starting lineup! FFS, do we really want another offense like 2011? Belt is playing over Nate next year if we hope to contend.
No one here gets out alive.
this is far from rosterbation
this is the manifestation of Sabean believing that Posey+Sanchez+Melky = good enough offensive upgrade over last year to ignore beltran and put Crawford at SS.
by ThePasswordisWillieMcgee on Nov 7, 2011 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
for me.. the worst part about this trade
is that we would have to start Nate to compensate for Cabrera’s shitty defense.
No one here gets out alive.
I'm willing to be flamed
I don’t think playing Nate regularly is a terrible idea. Assuming there’s a real SS and a galooty LF.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
What has Nate done to deserve a starting spot on one of the worst offensive teams in Giants history. If the Giants had a good hitting lineup that did not include holes at 1B, LF, CF and SS maybe they could justify a defensive right fielder.
No one here gets out alive.
Nat was not really one of the problems with this team, offensively, though.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
He’s a talented artist, too.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
Nate had an OPS+ of 112 last year. With his great defense, that’s good enough to start.
Now, he won’t necessarily match that next year, but it was promising.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
Look at Cabrera’s line from last year. He had a much better year and the general consensus on this board is that he is a shitty hitter. So if Cabrera > Nate and Cabrera is a shitty hitter………….
No one here gets out alive.
Good defense is one of the most consistently underrated aspects of a baseball team.
A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way. - SLC
Yeah and I love great defense as much as the next guy but the Giants also need offense.
No one here gets out alive.
A run is a run is a run
In fact, a run saved is actually (ever so slightly) more valuable than a run scored.
I’m believe that as well. Which is why I would love to have players who can play defense and hit. Specialists are players who play Premium positions and are tolerated on teams that can score runs with their other players.
No one here gets out alive.
I'm not disagreeing with you
I’m saying they should upgrade at SS and LF before they worry about benching Nate. If Beltran is the guy they can get, fine, but he probably ain’t.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
as far as I am concerned they have Belt in LF until he loses the job. Upgrades for me are at RF and SS.
No one here gets out alive.
And if it’s not Beltran?
Again, I’m not arguing for Nate per se just arguing against the Malkys and the Crispys of the world of “upgrades”.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
That's nice and all, but it's wishful thinking
They haven’t given any indication that they think that Belt can start in the major leagues.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
well its kind of insane to give Nate a job and put Belt on the bench or send him to Fresno right?
No one here gets out alive.
Of course it is.
Doesn’t mean it is not going to happen. Belt has options left.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
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True but reading this thread I see some support for Nate in RF and LOL Belt. And I can’t understand why.
No one here gets out alive.
Well, looking at their numbers last year
Belt still has a lot to prove
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Not necessarily… well, sort of, at this point. An argument could be made.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 7, 2011 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
Shitty player
While Nate posted a 107 wRC+ to Melky’s 118, Nate does it with great defense (Melky doe it with solidly below average). Nate also did it with a BABIP of .315 (career .313) while Melky’s was .332 (career .299).
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 7, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
Nate’s OPS+ from the previous two years were in the 80’s. Nate starting in RF is one step toward another year of god forsaken offense.
No one here gets out alive.
Melky Cabrera, wRC+:
2008: 69
2009: 94
2010:79
Nate Schierholtz, wRC+:
2009: 81
2010: 76
while playing consistently better defense.
by free f.p. #14 on Nov 7, 2011 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
exactly my point! they are both terrible and people want Nate to start in RF because Cabrera is a shitty center fielder. Now we have to watch both of them play!
No one here gets out alive.
right
you’re assuming they won’t play Melky in RF. Never assume.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
Play reasonably well.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 7, 2011 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
galooty LF.
So Burrell?
I miss the etymology post that posited that galoot was essentially the nOOb of the late-19th century. I assume you are using it to mean “hulking”.
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I am not explaining this again.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
find the place where you first explained it
click on the date/time line
get that url
save it in a “Shit I am sick of looking for McC” file
then in the future just cut and paste the link
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some random dude
that hits the baseball, preferably RH. 2010 Burrell is exactly the sort of guy that would be handy. Maybe he can bring 2001 Barry Bonds along.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
This is wrong.
So, so wrong.
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Kind of off topic
What if the Giants signed Buerhle? He’s not likely to make much more than market value, and he’s a damn good pitcher. That solidifies a rotation with big questions in the 4-5 spot, and gain them some wins at market value.
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That'd be fine, but not sure how necessary it is.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
How necessary is any win? A win is a win, and if the decision is between a huge overpay for Reyes or Buerhle at market value, I’d rather hvae Buerhle.
A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way. - SLC
Fair enough.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
But I was just saying
The difference in talent level between our 5th starter and Buerhle and, say, Brandon Crawford and some free agent SS, is probably small, depending who the FA SS is.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
depending who the FA SS is
That’s a big depends. Especially if you are talking about Rollins.
A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way. - SLC
I think the gap between Beurhle and Surkamp is smaller than the gap between Rollins and Crawford.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I just really, really don’t want to see Zito start a game next year.
A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way. - SLC
It'd be the diff between Beurhle and Zito.
But I still agree.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
Left handed Matt Cain
I love Buerhle. I don’t think he is going to be priced where you think, second best starter (supposively after CJ Wilson). Yankees and Rangers looking for starters, probably more.
by Myemail21479 on Nov 7, 2011 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
15mil per year for 4 years? That’s reasonable.
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You want Giants to take what is left of their money and get Buerhle for that price?
by Myemail21479 on Nov 7, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
The Giants have questions in the 4 & 5 spot?
I’m pretty effin’ content with 1 thru 4
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Look but don't touch.
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HE WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED?!?!?!!!
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by GIANT stoner on Nov 7, 2011 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
shift-a
and so it begins….
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TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Talking to my friend online
(12:37:57 PM) friend: 2nd in RBI’s last year behind Granderson, didnt realize hehad potential
(12:38:11 PM) friend: I thought the trade sucked at first, but now I see the upside
(12:38:29 PM) friend:we would have had to pay Sanchez, we’ll see how this plays out
(12:38:42 PM) friend: does he suck though?
(12:38:45 PM) friend: 3.05 avg
Drop a BABIP on his face.
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BLB could do it.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
So they had to sign Affeldt and Lopez
Because Verdugo needed to be included in this trade so they could save money. Wait.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 7, 2011 12:50 PM PST reply actions
srsly
If they needed the $800k to backfill for signing two lefties, that’s kinda weird.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
On the radio, someone was going on and on about how both Melky and Sanchez are in their last year of arb… and that since Sanchez is a left handed heat thrower with a pulse he’d probably get a big arb award of like 5-6 million…I didn’t hear 5-6 million what exactly, cuz by then I was home and I turned off the radio.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
And and all money left needs to be spent on a SS
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Has to be
If it goes to RDF I will shoot someone.
by Myemail21479 on Nov 7, 2011 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
So I guess this means they are keeping Zito?
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TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
hahaha
BREAKING!
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
HEY I SAID SHIFT-A!!!
IT’S NOT MY FAULT I HAVE TO SPEND 3 HOURS A DAY AT THE GYM !!!
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TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Well, it’s either my underactive thyroid or disinterested physician… possibly both.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
More reason for the Giants to get Reyes. You can tap in to his overactive thyroid.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 7, 2011 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
I actually suggest that to MrMerope… maybe we could work out a blood swap… but then I’d get his explosive hammies and he’d have my unpredictable calves. Which I guess for him would only be a problem playing in Houston.
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TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
just kiddin' ya
It’s just that anyone that thought they would really pay him $47M or whatever to go away is grasping at straws.
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"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
Are you ok Abed?
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Shift A
HOLY SHIT, VERDUGO WENT IN THE DEAL TOO?
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I know =(
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I really wish
the Giants got the throw-in guys more often, rather than giving them up.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
very good example
right up until he got a bus ticket to Oakland.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
Well, obviously
It would be selfish to have the throw-in goodness all to ourselves.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
He had to go. He was Matt Morris evidence.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
This is making me sad.
I kinda liked him.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
I JUST HEARD ABOUT ALL THIS AND I WANT TO RAAAAAAAAAAAGE
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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wayyy OT: 4 MORE DAYS!!!
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Oblivion never caught me
I liked Morrowind a little. I think Bethesda’s best work was Fallout3.
by Myemail21479 on Nov 7, 2011 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
That would be sick
I haven’t played FO3 in forever, but I will get the GOTY sometime… I rented the original a while back, got maybe 3/4 through the story before I had to return it. That game was awesome, truely a masterpiece.
This week I'm getting fat.
MW3 tonight, Skyrim Friday.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
What is Skyrim?
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Another version of the mile high club.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 7, 2011 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
RIMSHOT!!!
amirite?
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This is Skyrim. looks so epic.
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by GIANT stoner on Nov 7, 2011 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
Dragonage-esque
Personally I’m waiting for Mass Effect 3 to come out.
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That sounds sexy.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
yes it does.
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I cannot wait for this game.
I was in college when Oblivion came out. I remember playing it for like 8 straight days, doing nothing else. Morrowind was my first Xbox game back in high school. Bethesda is brilliant.
by The Franchise on Nov 7, 2011 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
There should be a reminder on every day of Sabes' Outlook that simply says
DO NOT TRADE WITH THE ROYALS TODAY
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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WHAAAATTT
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BREAKING NEWS: Twins GM Bill Smith has been fired and replaced on an interim basis by former Twins GM Terry R
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Terry Ryan Trade History
November 14, 2003: Traded catcher A.J. Pierzynski and cash to the San Francisco Giants. Received pitchers Joe Nathan, Francisco Liriano, and Boof Bonser.
December 13, 1999: Under the Rule 5 Draft, the Twins sent minor leaguer Jared Camp and cash to the Florida Marlins in exchange for future Cy Young Award winner Johan Santana.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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MELKY CABRERA SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKS
I do not want to watch him for 150 games next year. WE JUST GOT RID OF AARON ROWAND.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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KICKED THE TIRES. DUE DILIGENCE
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Talked to Dayton Moore, who says he and SF GM Brian Sabean started talking about this trade 5 weeks ago.
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RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE
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Talked to Dayton Moore, who says he and SF GM Brian Sabean started talking about this trade 5 weeks ago.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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BEST TRADE EVER!!!
Okay. I’ll jump into the 5% boat and say I like the deal.
I’ll miss Sanchez (sometimes). But I certainly won’t miss bad Sanchez… and the endless mind-fuck he went through on the mound. Trading him to KC gives me peace of mind that he won’t reach his zenith pitching against the Giants all the time.
And if the Giants score even a few more runs, that’s gold with this pitching staff. Happy Giants pitchers equals happy fans and happy and happy standings.
Go Melky!
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The Giants aren’t going to score more runs because Melky Cabrera is worse than Andres Torres.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
They WILL score more runs.
But we’ll find out after the season, right?
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They probably will score more runs, but it won’t be because they made center field worse by putting Melky Cabrera there instead of Andres Torres.
We can find out after the season, obviously, but until then we can use numbers to make an educated guess.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
or just freak out.
…it’s what we do.
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Hasn't Torres had about 4 good months in the majors?
The rest not being Cabrera-level mediocrity, but below-replacement-level futility? Why would you count on him for anything, let alone assert he’s better than Cabrera?
by Stoned Slacker on Nov 7, 2011 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
No
He was great in 2009 and 2010, and average in 2011 (in other words, well above replacement level).
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
I think you need to revisit those definitions
.876 OPS in 150 ABs in 2009
.823 in regular playing time in 2010
.643 in 398 ABs in 2011
Are you looking at the wrong baseballreference page by any chance?
by Stoned Slacker on Nov 7, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
Adjust for positional context
Let’s look back at that page, shall we?
126 OPS+ in 2009 with great defense is fantastic. He accumulated 1.8 WAR in just 170 at-bats, which translates to 5.8 with 550 at-bats. He got those at-bats in 2010 and he posted 4.6 WAR, which was the second-highest in the league for a center fielder, behind Angel Pagan. In 2010, Andres Torres was the second-most valuable center fielder in the league. The decrease in OPS is almost entirely a result of the decreased offensive environment; his OPS+ was 122, which is almost the same. In 2011 he was worth 1.3 WAR in limited time. His batting line wasn’t great, but he plays center field and he plays it well, which is very rare. That adds significant value; he was about average last year for a center-fielder, all things considered.
In summary, Andres Torres is good and you are wrong.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
ugh
“The decrease in OPS is almost entirely a result of the decreased offensive environment”
And with a wave of the magic wand, one of the worst hitters in the league last year becomes average. Nice work.
by Stoned Slacker on Nov 7, 2011 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
So clearly you weren't reading what I wrote
The 50-point drop in OPS between 2009 and 2010 was largely attributable to the new run-scoring context; his OPS+ changed by only four points.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
don't bother
the Crispians want bloooooood!
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
2011 wRC+ for Torres was 85
List of Giants below that who received a decent amount of playing time:
Huff, Keppinger, Rowand, Stewart, Crawford, Tejada, Whiteside, Burriss, Cabrera
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 7, 2011 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
You can throw in Ichiro and Carl Crawford from other teams who did worse. He hit as well as Martin Prado.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 7, 2011 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
List of republican pres. candidates worse than Mitt Romney
all of them.
I’m still not voting for Romney under any circumstances.
by Stoned Slacker on Nov 7, 2011 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Third party FTW!
Well not really for the win but…
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That's what you think
I’m the GM of the Republican Presidential Candidate Softball Team.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
You better find some trade partners for Cain, quick!
..I am no good at political jokes
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There’s relevance here. Stick to torturing up numbers that prove how great Torres is.
by Stoned Slacker on Nov 7, 2011 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
Get your stats out of this thread!
We’re trying to irrationally squeal in here!
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Not offensively.
I love Torres, and I dearly hope (and believe) that this move doesn’t mean the end of his tenure as a Giant. But he’ll be 34 next year and hasn’t been great at staying off the DL. They needed at least a backup plan and they could have done a lot worse than Melky Cabrera.
Plus, regarding his hitting: the conventional wisdom at the end of 2010 was that Torres was a whole new player thanks to his medication and/or new-fangled swing and therefore his decade of sucking in the minors shouldn’t be counted. I don’t see how we can say that still after 2011. In that case, his career wRC+ of 98 overstates his offensive ability by a large margin.
If they keep him on as a 4th outfielder, I’ll be fine. They can maximize his defensive and base-running contributions in that role, and he’ll get plenty of chances to start too.
You are replacing Sanchez with Zito, who is worse.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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Surkamp or someone else...
…may have something to say about that. But I’ll bet Cain, Lincecum and MadBum are happier today.
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Sanchez is a better pitcher than Zito or Surkamp.
And why would the others be happier? If anything they just lost a friend they have been playing with for years.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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by scout6 on Nov 7, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And to channel GiantPain
Why should we give a fuck how they are feeling?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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You might not ask that question...
…during contract talk time.
But do you EVEN REMEMBER all those 1-0 fucked up losses?
I sure as hell do. Fucking sucked. If Melky helps, then I’m all for it.
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A good defense also contributes to those 1-0 losses.
The Giants basically traded for Cody Ross.
Even if (when?) his BABIP slips back to the .300 range, the Giants are probably looking at about a .285/.315/.415 hitter when all is said and done. As underwhelming as that sounds, the resulting .730 OPS (or, if you prefer, a roughly .321 wOBA) would tie him exactly for third place among Giants hitters (300 or more plate appearances) with Cody Ross;
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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He's cheaper and younger than Ross, and less injured.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Without Cody
we don’t win a World Series. So get your rose-colored glasses out and have a beer…. We just won the Series!
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That was awesome, but I don’t know what that has to do with trading for Melky Cabrera.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Duh
Trading for Cabrera = auto World Series win.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHH
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Why would Cain and Lincecum be happier?
They have a worse defender in the OF now, probably replacing the best defender on the team. We might have gone from a top three CF defensively (Torres) to a bottom three (melky) ’cause you know Sabean is going to play Melky in CF.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
I think they'd take four errors and four runs
…not that it’s either / or…
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I'm with you
But… it is freakout mode all around us. Get your salt, lets draw a circle. I will light the candles.
chants
Ommmmmmmmmmmmm
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i smell a chasm coming on ......
i hope it’s a chasm.
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If I don't comment, I can claim it was.... later.
…but this thread could be very funny if Melky does really well. (Remember the Cody Ross thread?…)
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well... we agree about that.
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me too.
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
Didn’t people want Cody Ross? I mean it’s not like the Giants traded for him.
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I referred to it as ‘the greatest waiver wire cock-block in MLB history’.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 7, 2011 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
That’s a perfect description of it. I will use that in the future.
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
You are going to end up watching another streaky hitter who amazes not nearly often enough to make your forget about his periods of hot steaming suck.
He’s a giant, in other words.
A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way. - SLC
as was Sanchez.
key word: was.
Sanchez started to become Livan with his annoying plate-nibbling. It was EXASPERATING.
Let’s get some new exasperation.
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Nah. I liked the old exasperation better.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 7, 2011 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
Nah. I liked the old exasperation better.
I am not a fan of exasperation at all. Oddly I am a Giants fan. There seems to be a disconnect here.
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I don't think it was nibbling as much as him just not knowing were it was going
Dude had lapses where he just couldn’t seem to find the strike zone.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
The thing with him was that he did not want to change
I recall some comment he made that his wildness was just who he was and that he was not going to change.
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Sanchez doesn’t have the command to be able to nibble on purpose.
by BestHyperboleEver on Nov 7, 2011 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
SAVVY SABES
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Talked to Dayton Moore, who says he and SF GM Brian Sabean started talking about this trade 5 weeks ago.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
HE WAS JUST GETTING RID OF CABRERA, SABEAN YOU IDIOT
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Moore indicated again:Not trading any of top position prospects.He deals Cabrera for possible high-end pitcher, clears spot for Cain in CF.
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As Grant said, maybe we were just getting rid of Sanchez
A non-tender wouldn’t have been the biggest surprise in the world
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
I don’t think there were CF’s better than Cabrera or SS of note available for one Guapo and a minor league arm.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
The Giants didn’t need a CF. If they couldn’t land an Ian Desmond-type, they could have just sit pat.
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I know that most here share that opinion, but clearly the front office doesn’t.
Said Sabean: "There’s no center field alternative from within that we’re comfortable with."
Baggs:
Scene: Giants training room, 10 minutes after the final out of the 2011 season.
Action: Andres Torres, working out like a madman.
The Giants aren’t planning for Torres to be their starting center fielder again. How could they, after the way he struggled? But he’s still a very good defensive outfielder and a switch-hitter with pop. I’m not sure he could channel his energy into a bench role, or if he would agree to a contract before arbitration at a palatable salary for the club. But I do see a way he could contribute in 2012, if the team so desires. He certainly won’t let himself get fat between now and spring training.
I’d love to see Andres stay around, but clearly the FO had moved on from counting on him as an everyday player. And it also sounds like they moved on from ever trusting Sanchez on the mound again.
Sitting pat would’ve involved non-tendering Sanchez, but I think we all know that money, and an additional year, would’ve gone to Crisp.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
I'm guessing this could very well be...
…a situation where the “real story” with both Sanchez and Torres is worse than we’ve been told.
In Torres’ case, the might be under-divulging the medical/mental health stuff because it’s confidential personal stuff.
With Sanchez, my guess is that he might just not be coachable. You hear stories all the time about players who coaches just can’t through to. If there was one single guy on the Giants who I guess fitted that description, it would be Sanchez. He always seemed really distant from the rest of the team. His no-hitter aside, you never really saw him in the mix with his teammates.
This is just from personal observation, but he never struck me as the good soldier. Bochy’s “snap out of it” bark at him seemed to be very telling.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Remember that one quote from earlier (was it this season or last?) where he mentioned that yeah, he walks a lot of people and management would like him to walk fewer, but he basically said “screw it, that’s how I pitch and I’m not going to change”? I would think stuff like that doesn’t go over well.
And as much as I love Torres, I don’t believe he’ll return to 2010 form. I think that was one season of glory that will not be repeated.
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Torres is his own worst enemy. It’s a vicious cycle with him. He started off slow…worked harder…got worse…worked even harder. Unfortunately, baseball is a game where working harder does not necessarily mean success. In fact, it’s better to be relaxed and calm. He really needed to just relax and play. That’s basically what Beltran told him.
Sanchez is not coachable. If you cannot get better with Rags as your pitching coach…you’re done.
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The Rowand theorem.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
A non-tender would have saved 5 million Beltranbucks.
This move only saves about 700,000 Beltranbucks
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
This is the second Cabrera he has traded for, and the second time it has been the wrong one.
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fangraphs has relatively balance piece up on the trade
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/which-melky-cabrera-will-san-francisco-get/
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
They report. You decide.
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If you project Cabrera to hit somewheres around his career averages...
They essentially traded Sanchez for a Nate Schierholtz with bad defense. Not a bad trade per se, just…redundant.
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They essentially traded Sanchez for a Nate Schierholtz with bad defense
No that’s a bad trade when your team is offensively challenged and built to win off pitching and defense. Plus they also send Verdugo.
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Well Sanchez and a non-prospect aren’t exactly worth an above average major league hitter.
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Verdugo's not a non-prospect
He’s more fringy (fringey?). I think there’s a very good chance he sees at least some time in the majors as a reliever. Now that he’s with the Royals there’s a decent chance he’ll get some major league starts.
Yes, he struggled in first year in AA at age 24, so he’s obviously not a top prospect, but I don’t think he should be completely written off because of that.
What's his ceiling? Runzler?
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
His ceiling is Sanchez.
Runzler is a good-case scenario, and AAAA is a good bet. (One could argue that Runzler is AAAA, but that’s a different story.)
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Right, EXCEPT:
Cabrera saw some that improvement in going from his age 26 to age 27 seasons. It is probably not all fluke. The spike in power in particular could be his new normal. As the fangraphs article points out, the babip probably regresses some. Even after it does, you are left with a decent player.
And Cabrera plays below average defense in CF, so his ‘bad defense’ isn’t an apples-to-apples comparison to Nate’s good D. I could see Melky playing an above average RF.
Not saying I love the deal or anything, just that I don’t think your comparison is fair.
-0.4 UZR in 1900 Innings in LF.
Sorry. He is not a good LF either. He is a bad defender no matter where you put him.
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How is trading for a Nate Schierholtz with bad defense not a bad trade?
Isn’t that the whole point of Nate Schierholtz?
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wait, so I assume this to mean that Cabrera will play CF instead of Torres?
How long will this last?
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Bochy on Cabrera: "He crosses home plate, and that’s a need here."
Bochy on Cabrera: “He breathes, and that’s a need here.”
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by Kestrel76 on Nov 7, 2011 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought it was because he causes other people to cross home plate.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
To be fair, Bochy probably didn’t have a lot of say in the deal, but part of his job is to back the decisions of his employers.
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Rest of team: THAT’S WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO?
/facepalm.
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He scored 102 runs last year!
That means the Giants will score 102 more runs next year! That’s how it works, right?
My current spectator interest in the team is based almost entirely around Cain and Sandoval. This is assuming Torres is screwed out of a job.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
And Timmy. What about Timmy?
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
And the baby! Won’t someone please think of the baby!
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Or children in general, for that matter.
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
I was referring specifically to Hartley, but yeah, Freddy’s kids, Panda’s daughter and Buster’s twins are all at risk. Who will be next?
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Oh yeah, Buster too.
Tim I love watching, but he’s not on the overall love level of the other guys.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
Fair enough
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
He sure is fun to watch, though. He’s the only guy I go into every start thinking, “could he K 17 today?”
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
Every Tim start I think "This might be the game where he throws a no-hitter"
I’m probably jinxing him for thinking that
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
I do the same thing! Maybe it’s a collective thought jinx?
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
Every Tim start I think “How has this guy not thrown a no-hitter yet”
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Yknow, I find now that he’s gone I really liked Jonathan. Sure, he was a head case, but he was our head case.
I mean,….. this move is completely lateral
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
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It’s only lateral if you think about what Cabrera is replacing, and even then it has downgrade potential.
When you factor in that Zito is replacing Sanchez, well, feh.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
I’m starting to think they did this deal simply because it was the best one available for Jonathan. They figured hey, we’ll go about our offseason same as we did before, but we’ve got an extra part now.
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The problem is
It’s not a very good part. Also it’s a pretty expensive part that seems to mostly duplicate what the Giants already have in the OF with Nate and Torres. Just non-tendering Sanchez would have been better; then they could take that money and give it to Beltran or Jamey Carroll or something.
Alright…. about this trade…
I knew they were going to dump Sanchez so I’d already kind of expected it. Getting rid of Sanchez ruins my dream that they would get rid of Zito.
I don’t know much about Melky, he says he attributes his yippee!!! 2011 season to a new weight training regimen, okay…. maybe…
I am afraid the Giants have just gotten another Rowand, I hope not.
I will miss Nate and Andres, cuz I get the feeling they both might be gone.
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I have my reservations about the trade. But it feels like people are completely disregarding Melky’s 2011. There’s the BABIP, so maybe they’re right to do it, but he was a four-win player last year. The reaction in here makes it seem like he was a four-win player three years ago, and it was already proven to be a fluke.
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 7, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
To me, it’s not just the BABIP. It’s also the doubles. And, potentially, the HRs. So much of his value in 2011 came from what certainly appear to be artificially inflated results that I just hope nobody gets close enough to him with a thumbtack to pop them.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
That analogy may have been a bit tortured.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry but.
What’s the problem with the double and homeruns?
by BestHyperboleEver on Nov 7, 2011 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, just that he’s never exhibited anything either resembling or suggesting those capabilities in those areas before.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
As long as I’m using the play index tool right, in the last three years only SIX players in the league have averaged 40 doubles per season.
The doubles, at least, are almost definitely a mirage. Unless you think he’s one of the six best in the league at that particular skill.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
Ah.
Fair enough. I thought you were talking about things like park factors and other external factors and I wasn’t under the impression that Kaufmann was good to power hitters.
by BestHyperboleEver on Nov 7, 2011 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
His ISO was .164 last year. League average was .150. Dude is not a power hitter. His counting numbers are high because he hit leadoff for the Royals (or I imagine he did) and finished with 700+ PAs.
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Wait
CF can hit second?
Wut?
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Clownball rules?
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I think it's more trepedation about buying into a player coming off their best season
when they were not good the previous years.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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He's young, though
I get it when it’s Rowand, but it’s not weird for a 26-year-old to get better. I’d rather the Giants didn’t make the trade, really, but this reaction is what I’d expect if he were injured for the entire 2011 season.
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 7, 2011 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
I think a lot of the RAAAAGE will subside
if the Giants turn around and get Rollins and Beltran, or maybe even at least one.
If they stand pat or make some other minor moves with this as the marquee, there could be some issues.
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That's absolutely my stance.
If this is the offensive upgrade, welp, so stupid. If there’s a super-duper smoke screen and they get hella better players … I’m cool with Melky.
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 7, 2011 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
If this is the offensive upgrade
Search your feelings. You know it to be true.
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I think we’re just set to “Auto-Hate” all organizational moves from now on given how piss-poor their “process” appears to be. Also, there’s the notion that Melky Cabrera and some other fringey moves might be it for the Giants offseason and that just isn’t good enough.
Auto-hate
Thinking back, the only move I can remember where Sabean was not hated on by at least 40% of the McCoven was re-signing Burrell for $1 million. Even dumping Bengie and Morris had a ton of “Meh, he’s just cleaning up his own feces.” comment.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
bull
The Bengie trade was heralded far and wide as the At Last The Buster Posey Show. And the groupthink on Morris was thick with amazement that Sabes could get so much as a rusty spoon for the guy without picking up the entire contract. Those were good trades, and the vast bulk of the commentariat said so.
by wcw on Nov 7, 2011 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
I dont' really mind
getting a rent-a-player that might have a good enough year to bring back a draft pick.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
He didn’t really get better though. He struck out more, he walked less, and more balls found grass. Maybe his balls will continue to find grass this year, but I just don’t know.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 7, 2011 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
If he kind of sits and scoots in the outfield, we should be good
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Arf Arf
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Hm when you put it this way.
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Highlights:
In spite of all the Sanchez trade talks over the years, Sabean said he never got a good offer or was close to dealing him, and Sanchez’s struggles and injuries this year actually hurt Sabean’s ability to make a better deal this year.
Bochy on Cabrera: "He crosses home plate, and that’s a need here."
Cabrera said he can cover center field at AT&T Park.
Sabean said he has no regrets not trading Sanchez before, when his value could have been higher, because they needed his arm. "In this case, given the player available and given our acute need for more offense, this was the time to cross that bridge."
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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I just don't get why you would say
“This trade market for him really is bad, but I traded him anyway.”
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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Yeah and Beltran said he could cover right. Pssssh!
And what was it I heard on KNBR about Beltran’s knee being a problem? Something about “bone rubbing on bone” and so maybe he should look for a DH gig somewhere? I was in the car and didn’t hear all of what was said.
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Beltran doesn’t want to DH, he believes he can contribute in the field and doesn’t want to change leagues. He wears a big ass brace, but I’d love to see him roaming LF next year.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
Cabrera said he can cover center field at AT&T Park.
Phew.
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by D4P on Nov 7, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
well i'm sold!
/……. waits for McCovens to fall in ……..
lol.
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Even on the grounds crew, he can’t get it right! You cover the infield, you dolt!
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
C’mon – just change the number from your last Cabrera jersey!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
new penny pinching regime
he keeps the same number as the old Cabrera!
is what Brian Sabean would have made if he were a instead of a MLB GM
/continues to ignore Sabean’s statements to the press
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 7, 2011 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
"He crosses home plate, and that’s a need here."
Please tell me Sabean was not referencing the career high 102 Runs Melky scored last year. Please, NO!
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You know he was.
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That quote is actually Bochy.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
How can anyone think that scoring runs is a skill that would translate to a completely different environment?
Howe do smart people listen to crap like that a put faith in the brain that conjured the statement?
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Meh, it’s Boch on a conference call with reporters. It’s a series of baseball adages muttered in hopes the conference call is over soon.
We all know who we have for a manager, I don’t see these quotes as much of an indictment, tbh.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
That quote is actually Bochy.
Not gravelly enough.
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Is it crazy to think that
Melky could eventually end up as league average in LF with Torres in CF and Belt at 1B (assuming Huff spontaneously combusts again) and Schierholtz in RF (Or Beltran, if we don’t get a real SS?) This is literally the best case scenario I can think of
Even if Huff combusts
Management has shown he will still be cemented in the starting lineup.
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Mid-May is my guess
A lot will depend on whether he shows up in shape
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
ha ha...
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why do you want league average offense in RF when you have question marks at LF, CF, SS and 1B?
No one here gets out alive.
what difference does RF make
if you have black holes at the other four positions?
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
point taken. But we can’t just give up because our lineup is already fucked. Lets upgrade in RF, put Belt in LF and hope Torres or Cabrera can play an acceptable CF.
No one here gets out alive.
That would be OK, assuming the RF really is better. And not, say, Melky.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
If our RF is Melky then we just traded Sanchez to replace someone who hits almost as well as Nate and plays shittier defense.
No one here gets out alive.
But plays shittier defense in CF. I see no reason that Melky couldn’t be at least an avg. right fielder, maybe even better. DOes he have a terrible arm, or something?
I see no reason that Melky couldn’t be at least an avg. right fielder
In order to that he would need to play in an average RF. For eighty-one games it would like Aubrey Huff playing RF.
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you speak as if you have solutions for these other positions you speak of.
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bill smith was said to have been let go over "philosophical differences.’’ dont think 63-99 record helped tho.
Smith obviously thought man was inherently evil and the ownership believed mankind to be born pure.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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Oh
. As for Carlos Beltran, Sabean said, "We’ll see and that’s one of the things we need to do to: Reconvene on where else we’ll spread our money."
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Spread it like butter
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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Sadly, the loaf is league average.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
A very thin layer of butter though; we have to watch our cholesterol.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 7, 2011 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
Prepared to be Guerrero'd
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 7, 2011 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
More lulz
Bruce Bochy’s assessment: "He’s the type of player we need on this ballclub. He’s a run producer. He scores runs and also has the ability to knock in runs. He’s 27 years old and it looks like he’s coming into his own. He can hit at the top of the order. He can steal a base. He’s athletic and can play anywhere in the outfield. It’s hard to say where he will hit in the order and maybe even where he’s going to play in the outfield until we get to spring training, but he’s the type of player this club needs. He crosses home plate and that’s a need here."
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I’m not sure you needed an ‘almost’ there.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
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–The Giants aren’t ready to say where Cabrera will play or hit, but Sabean said he’s comfortable putting him in center field. The scouting reports on his defense were adequate.
“Yes, his defense is bad, but I am comfortable with him being bad in CF.”
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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from the folks
who brought you Huff in RF.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
Rainy Day Fund!
–What will the Giants do at shortstop? Well, Brandon Crawford "has done nothing to hurt his chances (in the Arizona Fall League)," Sabean said. But the decision on whether to get another shortstop hasn’t been made. As I mentioned earlier, the strong leaning is to give Crawford the job if the Giants get enough offense from other sources. My prediction: If they re-sign Beltran, Crawford will be at short.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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He hit well in a minuscule sample against minor leaguers. Give him the starting spot!
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
In fairness, Crawford was brought up too early
His AFL is like some of the minor leage ABs he didn’t get
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
We had our day in the sun fellas.
This party is over.
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by Cody_ransom on Nov 7, 2011 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Do they understand how cheap they look right now?
Seriously, Crawford? The team that won the WS in 2010 and sold out every game in 2011 and sold uncountable random bits of merchandise and memorabilia can’t afford to give us a league average shortstop? Really?
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by Smoke on the Water on Nov 7, 2011 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
by unaccountable I meant uncounted… but of course they really were counted, just not by me. So let’s go with “lots and lots of merchandise” there instead
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by Smoke on the Water on Nov 7, 2011 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
well
to be fair they’ve managed to run out bad shortstops in good and lean years.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
Baggs take:
My prediction: If they re-sign Beltran, Crawford will be at short.
Take that RDF!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
BAD SOLDIER, PLAY INJURED!
–As for Sanchez, his contributions will earn him a place in franchise history. But it’s clear the Giants had no appetite in tendering him a contract, especially after he showed little interest in pitching again after spraining his ankle in August.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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Sabean said. "But quite frankly, because of his year this year, there really wasn’t a lot of (trade) action or conversation with him. He did a great job and we all know his arm speaks for itself. He pitched a lot of big games for us. I’m sure he’ll move forward in his career and become an even better pitcher. It didn’t help that he couldn’t come back at the end of the year, both in our picture and it probably dampened other opportunities."
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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What I read:
“His trade value could absolutely not have been lower. Absolutely not. So we had to trade him, naturally.”
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
What I read:
“He was puss with the injury, so we gave up on him. Rather than let him walk, we got whatever we could for him.”
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Pretty much.
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I don’t know that the two are significantly different. Both imply visibly low or diminished value, and both suggest an unwillingness to test the growth potential of that value in the first half of the season.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
What I read:
“Remember that Jackass Joe Nathan? Yeah, he pissed us off so we traded him. Sure he looked brilliant at times but he had a few bad innings in the post season and we didn’t like the attitude he dsiplayed about those results. This Sanchez guy was the same way. An ankle sprain and you can’t pitch? give me a break. We don’t need that around here. Nevermind that we made Barry Zito pitch about 30 innings more than necessary in san Jose because he had the same injury and now we are going to pay him 20 million dollars to be worse than Jonathan Sanchez by a long shot. And yeah, I guess we could have non-tendered Jonathan and saved the money for a better Beltran offer, but then we wouldn’t have had the chance to ship Jonathan to a last place AL Central team. At the end of the day that was an opportunity that I personally couldn’t pass up.”
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
Wow. You sure projected a lot onto that.
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Pitching and defense wins championships, but oh those dingerz....
"Show me the dancing fish"
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
This is my pick for where he signs
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Non Rage News
–Sandoval tested his strained shoulder in Taiwan by taking a few right-handed swings in the cage. "He feels he could bat right-handed right now but we’re being a little cautious," Bochy said. "It seems like it’s healed up quite well and he’s optimistic that strained shoulder is behind him and he’ll be all set to go."
And what about that clip of Pablo chasing a ball in left field? What was up with that?
"I’d put him out there for one inning," Bochy said. "He said he always wanted to play outfield so I put him out there and sure enough, the first ball hit was to the wall. It was a close game so I put him at third base the next inning."
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
With practice Pablo could be a decent outfielder, although of course there’s no reason for that to ever happen.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
so did Pablo run down the ball in left field or not?
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
He’s still running.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
poor guy
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
it’s a workout!
don’t knock the big man exercising!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
Rage News
DKnobler DKnobler
From what I hear, even Beltran could be a stretch to fit in Giants 2012 budget. We’ll see.
Cabrera and Betancourt
Then shut it down, Sabes
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I might become a Royals fan
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Well, duh.
Why the hell would you telegraph that you are for certain trying for a player only to be used to drive up your own price?
Savvy Sabes will be stepping back and letting the Beltran market assert itself.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
Seriously, screw this cheap ass team. If they both refuse to spend money on good vets and refuse to play good kids, why should we even care?
I’ll be in my room playing my 2010 DVDs on a loop next year, methinks.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 7, 2011 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
Hey, they won't sign Crisp now, right?
RIGHT?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Hey, they won’t sign Crisp anyone now, right?
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
Sabes saw the lag in here...
pulled the trigger… and is now sitting back pounding a beer and watching you run around like an anthill under a magnifying glass.
suckers.
I'm sorry. I couldn't hear you. I still have champagne in my ears.
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LOL GOOD THING YOU’RE HERE TO TELL EVERYONE OFF!
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"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
Hat tip!
…just doin’ my due diligence and kicking your tires…
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You suck.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 7, 2011 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
Your brevity is appreciated.
I'm sorry. I couldn't hear you. I still have champagne in my ears.
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Obviously the worse part of this trade is the return of Zito
Hopefully Vogelsong doesn’t regress too much and Surkamp just needs more big league experience.
I cannot stand the thought of having to watch Barry Zito pitch two more seasons for this team.
patience...
it’s still November… there’s plenty of time to panic in March.
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After making my way through a billion comments, I gotta say that all those asterisks in your sig line are terribly distracting.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
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Well...
I’ll change everything for you, then.
I'm sorry. I couldn't hear you. I still have champagne in my ears.
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and...
please stop staring at my asterisks… it makes me feel uncomfortable.
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DAT ASTERISKS
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
IN THE ASTERISKS
[Poory Wrought THING] is what Brian Sabean would have made if he were a [THING-maker] instead of a MLB GM
Seems like at the end of last year, Bochy lost all confidence in Barry Zito.
I still hope he doesn’t make it through 2012 as an SF Giant
by The Franchise on Nov 7, 2011 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
the difference is that Zito came back to pitch 2 whole innings of garbage time, but Jonathan’s injury didn’t allow him to do that.
Naturally, because of those two meaningless innings, Zito will start and Jonathan is traded.
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
Naturally, because of those two meaningless innings
You misspelled $47 million dollars owed.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
GASP!
They called it “San Fran”!
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
better than...
…naw… can’t say it.
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Those people up in Frisco don’t like that much.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I don't want to touch anyone's "slew"
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
This
mccoveychron McCovey Chronicles
A team desperately needing offense, claiming poverty, and spending $5M on Jeremy Affeldt is still 3,492 times dumber than acquiring Melky.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Cabrera is our new Panda…
He’s not fat anymore… He’s now working out… and he hits from both sides of the plate with power
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If we get 2011 Melky
I’ll be very happy with this trade.
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The evidence is decidely mixed
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Bill_TPA Bill
There’s no chance Cuddyer bases his decision on who the GM is. That said, Cuddy, I’m sure you’ll like Brian Sabean a whole lot, too…
For what it’s worth, I’ve seen a lot of Melky in cf for the Yankees, and he was decent—seemed to get more than his share of big hits. A better hitter than anyone the Giants had in their outfield except Beltran (of indeed not playing third base, after Memorial Day). I’d bet on his numbers being closer to last year’s than those of his really bad Braves year.
I guess my only question now is...
If Torres is due 3-4 million, and the team still plans on signing some combination of P/OF/MI, can he realistically even fit into the budget?
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
They’re not going to spend that kind of money on someone like Torres who provides no value.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
That’s what I thought.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
If they will
move Guapo to save $800k, I think your answer is pretty clear. And to be fair, they couldn’t have been much more clear in the postseason press conference.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
Just because they don’t pay Torres 3-4 million, doesn’t mean he won’t be a Giant. He may sign for less right?
No one here gets out alive.
Indeed.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
How much less would he need to sign for, though?
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
I think 2, maybe $2.5M
They might be legitimately scared he’d get $-5M in arb
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
s/b "$4-5M in arb"
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
That’s a legitimate fright @ $4-5M.
If Andres likes playing in SF perhaps he accepts a small bump in price to the $2.1 he made last year…$2.4 or so like Goofus suggests.
He certainly wouldn’t be getting much more than that on the open market I don’t think.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
What’s market value for a win these days?
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
Still $4M ?
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
So then $4-5 million would be pretty okay for a player like Torres, marketwise?
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
Which is why Sabes and RDF'ers are frightened.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I don’t think the FO wants to spend $4-5 million on a fourth or fifth outfielder, which is how they view Torres.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
maybe
$800k?
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
That’s quite a pay cut.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
Hey, good soldiers don’t do it for the money.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
Well what’s the arb thingy?
If they don’t offer him arb he is a free agent?
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
yes
they could re-sign him thereafter. That might have been what happened with Bengie in 2009.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
What’s the thingie that happens where they can’t talk to a player for a certain amount of time? That’s not the non-tender/no-arb scenario is it?
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
no
I think you’re referring to free agency, where there’s like 72 hours after the end of the WS or something they have to re-sign their FA before they talk to other teams.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
hmmm could be, I thought there was some contract thing where if they didn’t get a dude signed they had to wait until some crazy, like after the season had already started, date to do so. [applying only to one of your own former players that you let get away for whatever reason.]
I am writing stupid cover letters otherwise I’d try and find out what the hell I’m talking about!
[note to self, maybe if you stopped writing “stupid” cover letters you’d get a job]
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I thought they changed that? I should double check, but I’m busy yelling at my kid to do her homework.
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I’d follow up, but I am too busy pretending to work.
/ no offense Merope.
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Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Gah
So much depends
upon
an attention deficit
inspiration
keeping his roster
spot
between RF and
LF.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
The dependency here is mine, emotionally.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
re:
I have traded
The wild one
And prospect
For CF
a position which
you were probably
hoping
would be vroom
Forgive me
melk is delicious
so sweet
and so cold
Reply
(crumped on my desk)
Dear Brian: I’ve made a
couple of lists for you.
You’ll find it on your desk.
It shows centerfielders who were
much more valuable than Torres in 2011.
On the list I have crossed
out players who are not available now
so you can better judge if you
prefer—Just ones we could have—
It’s easy enough to see
Not many people on that list
with the offense and defense.
I didn’t know just how to
tell it to you you. Melky
Cabrera is not among them—
See you later. Love. Howie.
Please switch off the telephone.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
Oh shoot, number agreement.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
Dear Brian: I’ve made a
comprehensive list for you.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
If they will move Guapo to save $800k,
I don’t see this trade as a simple salary dump.
Love him, hate him, or MEH – Cabrera is a useful player.
Torres is a useful player, he could be back…perhaps for similar to his $2M of last year, not the $4M that may await him in arbitration.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
I need some more dreamwine.
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Nov 7, 2011 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
2012 ZiPS projection for Melky
284/.330/.435
Cool with me.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Me too. More upside than Ross.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
Also a threat to steal
I think the threat is greater than the real steal, well unless the guy can steal 50+, then that is cool too.
I want to know, estimations of arb players, and what is left over. This was more or less a free CF if you were going to keep Sanchez and Zito.
He's terrible at stealing.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Well, not terrible
But bad. He loses value stealing.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
There are very few players who don't
Carlos Beltran is one of them.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
What made you think that?
If you want to see a player whose value was impacted hugely by his base-stealing, look at Duane Kuiper.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
74% career success ain't horrible
I don’t want him going every time, I just want the pitcher to worry about him when he is on first.
For all his speed, Torres is a pretty meh stealer
Doesn’t get good jumps
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
He’s a pretty damn good baserunner overall, even considering his mediocrity as a straight up stealer.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 7, 2011 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
Perfect for hit and runs!
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
Ourand_SBJ John Ourand
by ArrowheadPride
SB Nation bought the mixed-martial arts website MMA Fighting from AOL for an undisclosed amount. SBD’s Closing Bell will have the story.
Sounds like a flat bill haven.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Wasn't going to happen once they gave him that contract
But I’m glad the Giants don’t have Francoeur, if only because I hate seeing his name spelled wrong.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
OK…OK..But we need him to play baseball well. I think he’s proven that may no longer be possible.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
You do realize that Frenchy
was Jim Levebre’s nickname.
by mrs. owlcroft on Nov 7, 2011 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
He hardly deserve a correct name spelling
by The Franchise on Nov 7, 2011 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
Things I will NOT miss about Jonathan Sanchez
- 90-pitch, three inning outings with > six walks
- eye-rolling when his 3-0 pitch barely ticks the strike zone, and he doesn’t get the call
- watching baserunners steal at will because “nobody taught me a pickoff move”
- pouting in general (never seen Matt Cain do it)
- seeing the bullpen up in the 2nd inning
- all of the “dirty” jokes
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
Things I will NOT miss about Jonathan Sanchez
- People calling him a “headcase”
by Natto on Nov 7, 2011 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I will not miss
the blank look in his eyes when Righetti makes a mound visit.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Things I will NOT miss about Jonathan Sanchez
- Never knowing which Jonathan was going to show up.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Things I will miss about Johathan Sanchez
When good Sanchez showed up.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
by scout6 on Nov 7, 2011 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
rec’d Dirty no-hitter.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
/rec
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 7, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
Things I will NOT miss about Jonathan Sanchez
- That look he gets on his face like either he is trying hold a fart in or he can’t find the strike zone.
- Waiting oh so patiently for that “potential” to turn into “production”.
Am I the only one with abaolutely no issue with this trade?
I know the typical reaction around here to any move made by Sabean is to freak the hell out, but I personally really like this trade. Why you ask?
The good:
- He’s better than Torres (and he’s only 27!)
- Set career highs in nearly every offensive category last season with a .305/.339/.470 line
The bad:
- Last time a Royals OF to come to the Bay Area = David DeJesus
- His name has “milk” in it, which is bad because I’m on a diet and it makes me want cookies
Walter White is Heisenberg.
2011 Melky >>> 2011 Torres
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
2010 Torres >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010 Melky
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Ancient history
Huff was good in 2010 too.
And we see what happened there…
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
It still matters.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Seriously, using one year of data in player evaluation is a good way to run a terrible team.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Er, you used 2010 for your "analysis"
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
It's recent enough that it counts too.
Should it count less than 2011? Yeah. But why the fuck would you throw out data that’s still relevant?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Use three year totals.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 7, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
If the pattern continues
Melky should suck this season.
At this point, I'm pretty much done with surprises - Michael Crabtree
The bad: Sanchez starts will now be Barry Zito starts.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Also
“his walks aren’t something we’re overly excited about” – Royals GM Dayton Moore
HAH!! Enjoy them.
Walter White is Heisenberg.
Huh. That’s what Sabean said about Cabrera, too.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
by Ott on Nov 7, 2011 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
This looks for real
Mike Francesca has heard that Jose Reyes has received an offer and is scheduled to meet with the Marlins.
“The Marlins love him,” according to one source with knowledge of the team’s interest.
If the Marlins were able to sign the Mets shortstop, it would necessitate a position change for Hanley Ramirez, something he said in September that he would welcome and accept. “It would be nice to play next to him,” Ramirez said at the time. “He’s an energy guy.”
It's cool, I can become a Marlins fan
They’ve got nice uniforms, right?
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
LOL!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
This would be a total coup.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Its gonna happen
Then they sign Cespeses. Boom. Buzz headed into their new stadium.
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LOL
Marlins are in the market for CJ or Buerhle, a LH starter. Maybe we can dangle a Zito for Ramirez trade. Will throw in 1 Phillip Rivers.
stupid damned Marlins
soon to be followed by a fire sale of arb-eligible players, no doubt. GO AWAY
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
Why would Reyes want to go there? Unless he is just looking for money.
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pish posh
what professional athlete is interested in money?
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
Reyes said he was not into the Mets due to the fact they were not going to be contenders
I think he wants money and playoffs. The Phils and Braves are in the East.
This
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
CalBear949intheass
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
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by Murray, Present on Nov 7, 2011 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t know whether to be offended by or laugh at this this.
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Seems to have become a meme in the last day or so. Note: I am not asking why.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
Turf_Toe_intheass
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 7, 2011 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think it’s crazy to see the Marlins spending a bunch of dough for the inaugural year in their new stadium, and the Mets are lowering ticket prices and tightening their belt financially.
Would you rather play SS with David Wright (who might be gone as well) at 3B or Hanley Freaking Ramirez?
The Marlins could be quite the surprise next year if they can land some pitching too. All indications are that Loria (asshole) is ready to spend some serious coin.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
Close to the DR
Also Reyes owns a reggaeton record label and has even recorded his own stuff; presumably the Latin music club scene in Miami would be a pretty good selling point for him.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
CLASSY
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Who happens to be named “Chris Marlin”
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that is a clownfish
maybe that’s what their new mascot will be. More appropriate.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
This individual fish, the lead in “Finding Nemo”, is named Marlin.
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You never know!
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/ Jeffrey Loria sells team to Disney Corp. Marketing assault begins in 5....4....3...2...
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I prefer “Miami Clownfish”.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
Ah yes, the RedSocked Ortiz.
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Is there any way we can contract, like, the entire state of Florida?
"The definition of insanity is startjng Orlando Cabrera over and over again and expecting different results"--Albert Einstein
exactly.
waste of baseball space
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perhaps!
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
YES!
Why Bugs Bunny should be commissioner of baseball!
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This Jonah Keri article is a good take on the trade
Ultimately the trade boils down to upgrades for both teams, albeit flawed ones.
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/9050/polarizing-trade-for-two-deep-sleepers
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by DFARowand on Nov 7, 2011 2:16 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
This trade lowers our collective blood pressure every fifth day
Otherwise, it’s just trading one of our three #5 starters for our fourth #3 outfielder.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
Wow
I just realized the Giants are turning Schierholtz into the next Fred Lewis
Pitching and defense wins championships, but oh those dingerz....
Should be able to get $50,000 for Nate
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by D4P on Nov 7, 2011 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
Hopefully
If 75OPS+ Melky shows up, they’ve kept Torres (or Ross) and are willing to bump Melky to 4/5th outfielder.
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A 750 OPS+ would be pretty impressive
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by D4P on Nov 7, 2011 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
On the other hand
A 75 OPS+ wouldn’t be very good.
"The definition of insanity is startjng Orlando Cabrera over and over again and expecting different results"--Albert Einstein
A 750 PS+ is less good, actually.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
happier days
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I was here when the news broke
but to reiterate:
I am positive on the trade in that it filled a potential gap in the OF and saved the Giants some money. I am down on the fact that the Giants traded Sanchez low and got Melky high as well as the fact that Torres is likely gone.
The key for me is what the Giants do in the rest of the offseason. This kinda of reminds me of when the Warriors traded Richardson to get Wright and a $10 million trade exemption. It was a good trade but then the Warrior never did anything with the exemption…
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Yea
If “add big bat in offseason” = Trade 5th starter for Melky Cabrera I would not be super pleased.
What I want in order
1. Lock up Cain
2. Lock up Lincecum (lower priority due to Cain having 1 less year left)
3. Spend rest of payroll on best bat possible. (Prefer in order, Reyes, JRoll, Beltran, Cuddyer)
4. Get cheap OF\PH like what Thome is for Phils (Burrell if healthy, maybe a Damon or Ordonez)
Dammit.
My monitor is all wet now after my (actual) spit-take watching that throw of his.
Thanks a bunch, Grant.
by Royce Clayton as Miguel Tejada on Nov 7, 2011 2:31 PM PST reply actions
Sorry if it has been posted
If your answer is “sell high,” you’re right, and that’s exactly what Royals GM Dayton Moore just did with Melky Cabrera, flipping him to the Giants for left-handed starting pitcher Jonathan Sanchez and minor league lefty starter Ryan Verdugo
As for Sanchez, his 2009 no-hitter, which remains the only complete game of his career, and prominent role in the starting rotation of the 2010 world champions has exaggerated the quality of his pitching. After six big-league seasons, two primarily in relief and four as a starter, Sanchez has had an ERA meaningfully above league average exactly once.
Doe this mean it’s a good trade for everyone?
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Just got back from class...umm...O_O
I am skeptical about this trade…I am even more scared this is our line-up
Cabrera
Sanchez
Sandoval
Posey
Belt
Huff
Schierholtz
Crawford
Pitcher
A lot of question marks there (Sanchez/Posey recovery, Belt’s progress, Cabrera’s production, Huff bouncing back or not, Sandoval’s shoulder even…)- we could be in for a loooooooong season
AND our rotation took a hit with Zito as 5th starter over Sanchez…who knows how Surkamp and Vogie are gonna do this season…and we payed Affeldt 5M…derp
Go Sharks!
and we payed Affeldt 5M…derp
Actually, I think that is the plan. Zito will pitch two, Runzler will pitch two, Surkamp will pitch and Affeldt will pitch two, to get to the ninth.
The most expensive fifth starter of all time.
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hmmm panda just tweeted that reports of him playing in Venezuela are rumors, he hasn’t decided if he will play there yet…?
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He needs to not play there.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
But he needs to play through that shoulder injury!
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Bochy says he took RH batting practice in Tawain
Could hit if he needed to. They are taking it slow, which is wise if you ask me.
Taking it slow would be not having him play at all right now. They are taking it slow relative to getting a rolling start.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
Just trying to keep him on his feet and off the dining room chair.
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He tweeted in Español and I’m out of practice with the whole Spanish thing so consider that a very very loose translation.
He won’t decide until early Dec if he will play in Venezuela.
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TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Melky/Sanchez
seems like a pretty fair trade considering the Giants strengths and weaknesses. I’m surprised, though, that Melky is considered not-so-great in the field, as I recall the Yankees fans complaining that they’d lost such a good centerfielder at that time.
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by D4P on Nov 7, 2011 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
That’s cuz they sign all the best players, duh
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by positiveuphemism on Nov 7, 2011 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
you're doing it wrong
you’re supposed to be excited Torres isn’t playing CF.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
shift-A
What the fuck.
No, wait: what the actual fuck.
I hate this trade. Mainly, I hate Melky Cabrera, but also, I hate pissing away even vaguely appealing trading chits.
But at least it's not the Greek debt crisis!
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WHEE GERMANY TAKES OVER EUROPE
THIS TIME FOR KEEPS
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by ZenPop on Nov 7, 2011 3:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I have to say, this is pretty funny !
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Oh chit
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by Murray, Present on Nov 7, 2011 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
Chut up!
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by Murray, Present on Nov 7, 2011 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
Who is this Crespede kid?
2:25pm: The Yankees, Phillies, Blue Jays, Giants, Marlins, Nationals, Indians, Athletics, and Pirates have had a presence at Cespedes’ workouts, reports Yahoo’s Tim Brown. Giants GM Brian Sabean told reporters today that his team will not be involved on Cespedes, however (via Andrew Baggarly on Twitter).
mlbtraderumors
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It was the pre Cabrera trade news going around MLB
Some 26 year old Cuban who is the can’t miss CF prospect. He defected, they are waiting for the US to clear it for him to declare FA status. Expect Chapmin type 5 years 30 mil territory. He released some crazy clip of leg pressing 1300 lbs , opo field power, catching balls behind his back.
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it’s what happens at the end of rosterbation
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by shanghaijim on Nov 7, 2011 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
This is funny people
rec’d
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LOL
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
Everybody get back
shanghaijim has been rosterbating for a month!
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
His promo video sounds like the best thing ever
His handlers produced a strange promotional video that starts with a “Star Wars” rip-off and includes Christopher Cross’ 1980 hit “Sailing.”
It shows Cespedes giving what could be the longest stare at a home run ever and making two blind, behind-the-back catches. It name-drops Ahman Green, showcases a giant shirtless man dancing and ends with a whole hog roasting on a spit.
doan worry, poplo loe he team, he wan get berry good for body to play the beisbol
WORLD CHAMPIONS
by Tim LinCyYoung on Nov 7, 2011 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
SAILING
TAKES ME AWAY
TO WHERE I ALWAYS
HEARD IT COULD BE
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Heard what could be?
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JUST A DREAM AND A WIND TO CARRY ME
SOON I WILL BE FREEEEEEE
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Apparently there was a remake with Helen Mirren. I glimpsed it on the plane while watching my Frasier episodes on my iPhone.
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Apparently there was a horrible remake with Helen Mirren.
I think this is what you meant to say.
/didn’t see it.
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THIS THREAD
actually the last two. Don’t have nearly enough “worst case scenario-ism”.
Which is obviously:
- Melky Cabrera has a great year, hits .320/.370/.480.
- Giants miss the post-season when Zito starts 163rd game to break tie with ’zona.
- Melky signed to new 7/120 contract. Pulls full Rowand.
- Jonathan Sanchez traded to the Padres for squidscraps™ and proceeds to torture us for the next 10 years.
On the plus side, got a good year out of Melky Cabrera!
is what Brian Sabean would have made if he were a instead of a MLB GM
Jonathan Sanchez and Barry Zito both will be in spring training competing for the fifth spot in the rotation, most likely, because the team has limited alternatives. Eric Surkamp is not ready and needs more time in the minors.
I can’t imagine Sanchez would have accepted this the season before becoming a free agent.
Clearly Sabean and Bochy feel pressured by ownership to play Zito, otherwise he wouldn’t even be in the discussion for next season. At least Sanchez had shown a recent ability to perform well.
This makes me think
about whether Sanchez would have been mentally out of it this year and become a malcontent.
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That is sort of what I was implying. He needed to have a bounce back season so he could boost his value. If he wasn’t even guaranteed the 5th spot going into the season, how would this have been a good situation anybody?
Sabean went into the off season looking to trade him, first and foremost. Then he found Melky Cabrera and the Royals as a possible option, second.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 7, 2011 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
I’m just finding out as I’m leaving work. I’m upset. I didn’t realize Melky had that “Great” a year last year. But you know. What?
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Having read over 1000 comments on this, I have this to say . . .
I’m okay with trading Sanchez. If all they could get was Melky, then so be it. I wasn’t a big Sanchez fan (yeah yeah – he had that one no hitter, in one of the few games he stayed in past 5 innings), so I won’t miss him. Let’s see what Melky can do.
There. I said it.
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by can of corn on Nov 7, 2011 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
I love your addendum
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
This reminds me of my comment the other night:
Just to be clear, I still think they’re fucking shit up.
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by kdl on Nov 7, 2011 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
My emotional attachment to Torres makes what I feel like wasn’t much of a useful trade anyway feel much worse.
Again, Melky in a vacuum is fine. Melky for Sanchez in a vacuum: Cool.
But the team simply does not seem to be improved right now. The rotation is worse, and the outfield is the same-ish.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
the rotation is the same
since you don’t know what you were going to get with Sanchez. Cabrera does fill a hole and if it means that the Giants will/can sign Beltran and/or Reyes/Rollins, it would be a great off-season.
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I staunchly disagree with the idea that the rotation is the same. We’re now a combustible Zito and an accidental DFA away from Dan Runzler, MLB starter. That doesn’t frighten you? One more line layer of padding would not have sucked. Beside which, it seems like Sanchez stood a good chance of being better than Zito to begin with.
I less staunchly disagree with the idea that we had an outfield hole. We may have had a hole, but it was probably not one that we should have tried to fill with this shape of peg.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
No because we would have had a combustible Sanchez as the 5th starter. Zito could have started and Surkamp could have been the fifth guy…I just do not believe that Sanchez would have been any better next year and his lack of desire to return last year speaks volume.
Again, if Melky is the only OF acquisition then I would agree with you. But Torres had an awful year at the plate last year and had one really good year in 2010.
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We’re not going to agree with each other.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
Okay
what about NaVorro Bowman and Aldon Smith…what finds by the Niners!
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I don’t see much improvement, either. It would have been nice to get so mething more for Sanchez, but apparently there aren’t many takers. To be honest, if a team doesn’t have a great bullpen, they might not want to have to count on using relievers for 4 innings every time he starts. Like I said, I don’t mind seeing him go. If Zito falls on his face again, let’s start looking at the minors or see what other teams might toss away.
I think offensively the outfield may be better.
And if Sanchez was barely cracking the rotation, then how is the rotation much worse?
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I don’t know that the rotation is much worse, but I think it’s certainly worse. Going from three players between the starting rotation and Dan Runzler to two, while marrying (for better or worse!) one spot to Zito feels like putting ourselves in a corner when we could have just sat in a chair adjacent to that corner for a while.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
And I understand where you’re coming from. I’m not trying to argue you down, however much it seems like I am. He was a pain in the ass to watch. It won’t be difficult not to watch him.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
No worries – I get what you’re saying. I’m not being entirely rational when I say good riddance to him. But I think there are more than a few other 5th starters out there to be found that will make the drop-off less noticeable.
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he had that one no hitter, in one of the few games he stayed in past 5 innings
His only complete game. Ever. In his entire career.
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I thought that was the case, but was too lazy to check. Sounds about right.
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understatement of the year
I wasn’t a big Sanchez fan
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 7, 2011 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
At least I have a new Rock Center to cheer me up.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
I thought that was on Thursday.
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
Just WOW
1. Yuniesky Betancourt, SS: Yuni went from the tougher league to the easier one … and saw his OBP and slugging both drop. His 2011 OBP after we take out the three intentional walks — and really, if the guy on deck is still breathing, there is no justification for walking Betancourt — was .267. That’s 11 outs in every 15 trips to the plate. And he’s a below-average fielder. I can see the San Francisco Giants giving him three years.
Keith Law with some serious BURN
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
by jctGamer on Nov 7, 2011 3:17 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Ouch !
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Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Payroll
81 mil commited
Cot’s thinks 39 mil or so estimated in Arb cases of likely guys to come back.
That leaves 5 mil for a SS or OF, does not look good.
What bothers me most is the Giants have like 40 mil locked up for next year with another 40 mil in Arb estimations. I know Matt Cain needs to get over on that ledger, so it should go up another 18-20 mil or so. Why can’t we spend 137 mil this year (add 12 mil) and say that Rowand money is dead, putting 125 mil on the field. They can use that as base for next year to be 125-130 mil again, and still have breathing room. The fans deserve better than 20 years from now saying “what if” on the Rowand and Zito signings.
What does that estimate jump to if Torres is non-tendered?
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
Included
If Torres, Fontenot, Burriss, and Whiteside are non-tendered, the remaining nine could cost the Giants an estimated $39.5MM
Oh.
Damn.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
I would non tender Keppinger and tender Fonty
That would save a 1.2 mil estimated
Still virtually no wiggle room without a small boost to the budget
I'd non-tender Whiteside
Is that another million?
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Oh god, yes please. No reason to keep him.
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Mlbtraderumor
has 32.9 if the Giants do not offer to Sanchez, Torres, Keppinger, Whiteside, Burriss
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/10/offseason-outlook-san-francisco-giants.html
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No way Melky get 4-6 million
based upon one year…considering he made $1.3 million last year.
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Grantland (Jonah) mentioned it could be up to 3 times his $1.25 last year.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
Okay
but that’s still $3-4 million…that’s a potential difference of $1 to 2 million. If you throw in another $2.5 million for Torres…that’s $3.5 to $4.5 million.
I also think that the Giants will not sign RamRam…that’s another $2 million…
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With Sanchez gone, tender Cabrera and adjust.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
For me, this comes down to Torres/Sanchez vs. Cabrera/Zito.
I would like the former, plz, EVERY FUCKING 5th DAY OF THE WEEK!
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
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Job 1:14-15
by bigboneded on Nov 7, 2011 3:19 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Wait Willie Bloomquist turned DOWN 1.1M mutual option after Dbacks exercised their end?
Who the fuck does he think he is? Just fucking wow.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
SABES SWOOP
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OH GOD YOU ARE RIGHT
3. Willie Bloomquist, UT: He’s not even worth the roster spot, yet teams keep giving him one. It’s like he has incriminating photos of every GM in the league.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
gritty gamertude!
Plus versatility™.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
I think what bothers me most is Sabaen's comments about the trade.
He’s unsure of where he’ll play in the outfield and where he’ll bat in the lineup. WTF
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Nov 7, 2011 3:27 PM PST reply actions
No, I think he's being truthful.
He wanted to get rid of Sanchez and no one was biting except the Royals. He took what he could get.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Oh man
Now we have to sit through at least a year of “the Melkman” nickname.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
It's an "A Bomb" from A-ROD
/ annoying f*cker
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Can I call him The Prostate Melker?
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 7, 2011 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
intheass
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
OH GOD EVEN MORE KLAW BURNS
Cabrera is just a one-year stopgap until Brown is ready (they hope), but when I call Cabrera a fourth outfielder, that doesn’t mean the Giants get to play three others alongside him to make up for all the balls he won’t catch.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
KEITH LAW HATES THE GIANTS
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 7, 2011 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
post of the day
Of the loony, rageaholic day.
by Stoned Slacker on Nov 7, 2011 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
Sweet rageahol, it eases the pain.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 7, 2011 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
that doesn’t mean the Giants get to play three others alongside him to make up for all the balls he won’t catch
Four outfielders could solve the “no shortstop” problem…
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
by D4P on Nov 7, 2011 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
And now...playing SHORT Left Center Field...
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Who is this guy?
Grant Brisbee of McCovey Chronicles suggests the Giants would have been better off trading Sanchez for a prospect. This would have kept Torres in center field and pushed the Giants to focus on other needs.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/11/giants-notes-cabrera-crawford-beltran-sanchez.html
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Some guy who keeps falling lower in the SBNation pecking order
/shakes fist at Amy K. Nelson
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
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by Murray, Present on Nov 7, 2011 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
noname blogger who looks like mike fontenot
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given the CF free agent options
i consider this the best move. we got something for sanchez, who i thought was going to be non-tendered, didnt spend alot of money, and center is still open for brown in 2013 (cant wait). i dont really understand what you guys are looking for. maybe if this was mlb 2k12 and you could just use the player creator to make your ideal player you would all be happy. one thing that scares me about this though is if we do sign beltran and he plays right field, OH MY GOD TRIPLES ALLEY. Sure torres is the defensive answer but im going to go ahead and say that he will never repeat his 2010 campaign. so im not going to bitch about this.
Except that Cabrera is not really a CF. He’s not that great of a defender to begin with and putting him there only makes matters worse.
im not saying he is average. but damn everyone is constantly saying “WORST OFFENSE EVER”. what is every one looking for?
ok well show me
an average defending, plus hitting, almost free, short contract, CF, free agent then
Andres Torres.
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ding!
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 7, 2011 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
don't worry
see Penitentiary Face’s lineup above. There’s plenty of time to complain later.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
Shift - A
I tried. I really tried to read all the comments. In the end, I just gave up.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
Aw!
That’s the nicest thing anyone’s said to me in a long time.
<3
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Nov 7, 2011 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
He’s just angling for some future considerations.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 7, 2011 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
there's actually very little OT going on in this thread. Which is surprising because I am here.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I’ve clearly lost my touch.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
I expect better things from you, young man.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Nov 7, 2011 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
Melky Cabrera must not be connected enough to Magic: The Gathering or Asian women.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
These epic trade freakout threads tend to stay pretty on topic, though.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Nov 7, 2011 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
But you read one of mine! That's all that counts!
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Of course. I hit Ctrl + F, and searched “can of corn.” I always do that.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Nov 7, 2011 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
Heh. I’m going to imagine everybody does that.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
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They’d be crazy not to!
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Nov 7, 2011 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
sig check
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Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
Awesome.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
Well done mlb.com
You couldn’t have allowed me some time to mourn?
Dirty will always be a Giant. RIP
Whoa
He looks really fat.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 7, 2011 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
All the official pics make people look fat.
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
They photo shopped the Uni on, couldn’t they at least trim him down some.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Nah..Jazzy looks about the same.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
.
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
It's just Lasagne weight !
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Plus a bunch of SlimFast shakes and Rolaids.
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
by D4P on Nov 7, 2011 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
Tommy Lasorda waves goodbye as he is dragged back down to the underworld.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 7, 2011 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
This must be rec’d for truth.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
lololol
keithlaw keithlaw
Yes, when they merit it. Stop whining. RT @hudd07: Ever post anything good about the Giants? Most local writers love the trade for Giants.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
LOLOLOL
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
LOL LOCAL WRITERS
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
HANK IS ALL OVER IT LIKE A CHEAP BURRITO
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
Has anybody been to the Yard House?
Yay / Nay?
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
Nay.. Psuedo Pan Asian fare...
went for happy hour…everything is too salty. I heard the beer is good.
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My friend and her husband go often, and give it a yay. I keep trying to get there, but haven’t yet. I love beer. They have lots of good beer. There should be no question of its goodness (for a place like that, the food is an afterthought, so I can’t comment on that).
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excellent beer, mediocre food.
good atmosphere though.
Bearnaise burger was pretty good.
by ThePasswordisWillieMcgee on Nov 7, 2011 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
I like it a lot, but it’s pretty noisy.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Nov 7, 2011 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks guys for the recommendation. Sounds like a go
I’ll be there Sunday night for my birthday. Come by to Say hello if you are in the area.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
The one in SD sucks
It was like $16 a yard? Dinner for 2 was over $100 and the food was maybe a click above chilis quality (not saying much). Maybe the one up there is better….
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@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
Seriously?
I Yankees this trade. (substitute Yankees for hate, like you usually do)
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