Giants Acquire Melky Cabrera For Jonathan Sanchez, Ryan Verdugo
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 7, 2011 10:16 AM PST
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PrintGood morning! How was your sleep? Did you expect to wake up and find out that Melky Cabrera was the starting center fielder for your San Francisco Giants? Of course you didn't. They wanted Jeff Francoeur, but he was locked up.
This is a Sabean move, through and through. From Marvin Benard down past Dave Roberts, he loves trying center fielders who can't really play center field. Maybe they can! Maybe everyone's wrong about them!.
I'll work up a longer post on this right now, but for the moment, this is your official freakout thread. The best part about these are the freakouts.
And let us never forget about the magic that was. Before the World Series, before the playoff run, it was Sanchez's no-hitter that shook the cobwebs off the Jose Castillo era. I can't say that I was expecting a whole lot from him next year, but I'll miss him just the same.
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I wanted Coco
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by CalBear949 on Nov 7, 2011 10:17 AM PST via mobile reply actions
ahhhh x2
Rationalization: Melky had a great year last and is only 26.
What is his contract status?
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by CalBear949 on Nov 7, 2011 10:19 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
1 year arb
Then FA
He made 1.2 mil in 2010, but had a 4 WAR year, hard to say what his price will be.
I think the Giants saved a few mil Sanchez vs Melky… But I don’t know.
by Myemail21479 on Nov 7, 2011 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
It is probably a savings of 3 to 4 million.
I am okay with it if it means signing Beltran or Reyes
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by CalBear949 on Nov 7, 2011 10:24 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Cabrera made $1,250,000 last year.
He’s actually 27 according to the this bio (DOB 8/11/1984).
Man crush on Aaron Rodgers, since 2003.
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Goddammit. My adopted son. This is so, so bad.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Mayor of Smug.
heheh
think I adopted him previously, going all the way back
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
Wow. I think a paternity test may be in order. Not that it matters now.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Mayor of Smug.
YOU ARE THE FATHER
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Paternity test? for adoptions?
Quick, one of can choose Melky!
HEY YOU GET FIRST DIBS ON THE MELK MAN THOUGH! I bet one person is jealous of that.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Nov 7, 2011 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
I didn't want Coco
But I guess I wanted him more than Melky.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
by Azmanz on Nov 7, 2011 10:18 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I'd actually take Melky over Coco.
The only thing I’m not too sure of is whether last year was Melky’s first year as a regular starter. He had a career year so I don’t know how much stock to put into that but he has better power potential than Coco and a better BA.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Nov 7, 2011 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
PA by season:
2006: 524
2007: 612
2008: 453
2009: 540
2010: 509
2011: 706
OPS+ by season:
2006: 95
2007: 88
2008: 68
2009: 93
2010: 83
2011: 121
One of these things is not like the others.
ONE OF THESE THINGS JUST DOESN’T BELONG
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
...can you tell which one?
"He has maybe one of the best arms I've ever seen; he could be playing by the concession stand and he's not out of position." - Andy Skeels, talking about 3B Chris Dominguez.
his BABIP
last year was about 30 points higher than his career average
If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.
I want Cocoa..
it’s cold this morning.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
GRRR!
Trade away my adopted son… for Melky Cabrera? Seriously? He cannot believe that Melky can play CF in SF, can he? Typical Sabean – one outlandishly good year, and he trades for the guy.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
Hey! He was mine!
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Mayor of Smug.
Looks like you gotta change your sig
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- WHO'S GOT IT BETTER THAN US???? NOOOOOOOOOOBODYY!!!!!!!!!!!!
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still remains true
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
Haven't commented here for months
Came back to say LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
"What’s that, Buster? You asked for a bicycle? Well, sorry. Santa brought butt floss instead."
thebigheadintheass
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
LOLGIANTS
Adopted Father of Marc Kroon. He better make the roster.
nope
Melky is about 10 years too young for that.
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
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Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
IT'S ALL GONNA BE OK, GUYS! BLEACHER REPORT GAVE IT A STAMP OF APPROVAL!
(at the July trade deadline)
Melky Cabrera had a rough 2010 season in Atlanta; his numbers dropped across the board. He has since rebounded into a dynamic player yet again this year, posting a .302/.337/.463/.800 hitting line playing full time.
I felt Cabrera was a viable option for Sabean to look at if a deal for Beltran fell through, but he could also be a nice piece to complement the Giants’ new right fielder. The price for Cabrera will be higher than for anyone else on this list, but he also has the most upside of them all.
I trust Sabean has a keen idea of what the Giants’ organization is willing to give up in any trade, and if he feels he can get Cabrera within those parameters, he will.
Emphasis mine.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 7, 2011 10:19 AM PST reply actions
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LMFAO. Bleacher Report. They are the sports version of the onion news
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- WHO'S GOT IT BETTER THAN US???? NOOOOOOOOOOBODYY!!!!!!!!!!!!
- A fan of the Warriors and Lakers.
by ayeyoJERM on Nov 7, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I always love people who write the full four-part batting line
Because adding OBP and SLG in your head to get OPS is TOO DAMN HARD.
Where are we goin’?
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
And why am I in a handbasket?
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/pats jim on the head
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
So....
Does ANYONE like this trade?
I feel sick.
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Nov 7, 2011 10:19 AM PST reply actions
I guess it depends on whether the Giants were going to offer Sanchez arb. The part I dislike is that the Giants are selling low on Sanchez and buying high on Melky
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by CalBear949 on Nov 7, 2011 10:22 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
It's the Sabean Way(tm)
"He has maybe one of the best arms I've ever seen; he could be playing by the concession stand and he's not out of position." - Andy Skeels, talking about 3B Chris Dominguez.
I hate this trade.
Andres Torres was fine.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
And Jonathan Sanchez was at his extreme low in value. This was a bottom of the barrel desperation move to replace a player who strikes out a lot with one who doesn’t. It’s fucking terrible.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
what if Cabrera ends up in RF?
say, if they were to sign Reyes but not Beltran.
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
he might
he did last year. Goldstein seems to think he has it in him
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
So then he pushes Belt out of the lineup.
Yay?
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
/guy who strikes out a lot.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
um, how?
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Belt – Torres – Cabrera would be OF
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Belt – Cabrera – Schierholtz, I’d think
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Nov 7, 2011 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
If Melky goes to right, Schierholtz moves to left.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
Between Belt/Schierholtz, do you really think Belt is higher on the depth chart?
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
I completely forgot Nate existed.
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
so did Bochy
putting Melky in RF would make him UNRATED.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
It’s a reference to something else.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think the depth is a bad thing. I doubt that more than three of the five are going to be good next year. It should work itself out if managed correctly (…)
by kingofthacove on Nov 7, 2011 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t mind having depth, but this seems like a really dumb way to go about getting it.
I also, honestly, don’t think it’s a depth issue. I think this trade means Torres is off the roster. So, to my mind, it’s a replacement issue. I’d love to be wrong. If Torres starts 150 games in CF and Melky hits like a corner outfielder while playing a corner, that’s all fine and dandy. But there’s a lot of if coming off that plan, and all of it calls for best case scenarios.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
Hopefully they keep Torres, and have them split time between OF and 1B such that they all get pretty consistent ABs. I think it’s really hard to predict how any of our OF or 1B will play next year at this point.
by kingofthacove on Nov 7, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
I think Huff’s going to hit well enough not to get cut or benched and I think the Giants are banking on this fact which means Belt starts the year in AAA or gets traded for Craig Hansen or some other bullshit.
Yeah, behind Torres, Belt is the other player I feel like the Giants don’t really want to see playing a lot in 2012 if they can help it. It doesn’t make sense. But, I guess, why should it?
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
or phrased differently
this does not upgrade them at SS or LF which is what they desperately need.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think I could be more meh about this trade
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
meh.
meh.
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Goodbye, Jonathan
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by jctGamer on Nov 7, 2011 10:20 AM PST reply actions 19 recs
;_________;
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y Torres tambien
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
:'-(
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 7, 2011 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
except the bandwagon fans
oh wait, they’re on the Niners now
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by shanghaijim on Nov 7, 2011 10:23 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Nothing wrong with being excited for the Niners success
Except for the fact that NinersNation <<<<< MCC
by Viva Jon Miller on Nov 7, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
Cause of not being able to post picture, gifs? I don’t post much there so I don’t know what else but that’s what sucks for me.
by TheSoundOfHockey on Nov 7, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
there are a lot more people making ridiculous comments
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
They're nicer over there
If you can’t keep up here you get nagged out pretty quickly.
by InTimmyWeTrust on Nov 7, 2011 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
People here are nice.
They just aren’t patient.
by BestHyperboleEver on Nov 7, 2011 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
To be fair, the writers there are fairly prolific
There are always multiple articles a day. The writing isn’t that entertaining, though to be fair writers like Grant and Jeff Sullivan are rare in the sports blogosphere (all hail our internet overlords). The posters, though, are not nearly as engaging as here. That may have to do with the disparate nature of daily baseball and 16 games in 17 weeks of football.
by Viva Jon Miller on Nov 7, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
Hey, I'm one of them
I never cared about hand egg until now! Woot woot!
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The Niners were my first love
I was 10 for the strike in ‘93 and it really was a hit to my love of baseball (Matty W was my favorite at the time). The Niners, though, were consistently great for as long as I could remember. It’s awesome to have both teams playing at a high level for the first time in 10 years.
by Viva Jon Miller on Nov 7, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
2012 likely contracts, according to MLBTR:
Jonathan Sanchez: $5.2 mil
Melky Cabrera: $4.4 mil
Rainy Day Fund!
just enough
to offer Jimmy Rollins a one-year deal!
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
If this is the big bat and they’re no longer interested in Beltran, fuck them straight to hell.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
by rxmeister on Nov 7, 2011 10:21 AM PST via mobile reply actions
i think that is the only way to see this.
and the only reaction to have
by orange velvet on Nov 7, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
WUT
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by Rook Takes Pawn on Nov 7, 2011 10:21 AM PST reply actions
I’ve been resigned to the fact that Andres wasn’t going to be on the roster anyway. It didn’t matter what the move was. Melky. Crisp. Christian. Torres was already gone.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
He’s arb-eligible, so dumping him will free up $50 or so for the rainy-day fund and they can leave Christian or whoever on the bench.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
Oh, they'll acquire Crisp too
And then there’s gonna be a POSITION BATTLE IN SPRING TRAINING omg
the winner will be benched in 1 week
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by shanghaijim on Nov 7, 2011 10:26 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I havent been in this thread in awhile. I miss seeing gifs and pictures in threads. Niners Nation doesnt do that
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- WHO'S GOT IT BETTER THAN US???? NOOOOOOOOOOBODYY!!!!!!!!!!!!
- A fan of the Warriors and Lakers.
whee
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Those stairs make me think you need to be 80lbs. or less to walk on them. Very unnerving.
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
Why was Verdugo included?
Jonathan Sanchez by himself was not enough for Melky White Stuff?
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 7, 2011 10:22 AM PST reply actions
Melky Cabrera is really cheap
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
What was that quote from Billy Beane about Brian Sabean giving up whatever it takes to get his guy?
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
SAAAAA-BEEEEEEE-AAAAANNNNN
Damn, how can you can be a genius and a buffoon at the same time. Dirty and Duggie for Cabrera? What, did you think it was the Cabrera in Detroit?
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Because we all know what Torres did the season after
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Love the Melky Cabrera deal for the Giants. He’s coming off a season very much like Torres had in 2010 — 67 EBH, 20 steals, .305 average.
Also, steals and average ladies and gentlemen.
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
TrippinBusterOlney is better.
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by shanghaijim on Nov 7, 2011 10:23 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
And a rec for you.
Founder and Chairman of the Send Dan Some Pizzeria Bianco Commission (SDSPBC). SDSPBC is a totally, definitely for-profit organization.
by Dan Strittmatter on Nov 7, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
Buster likes it
another reason not to.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
To be fair, Melky was good last year. The problem is whether he could repeat that.
by kingofthacove on Nov 7, 2011 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
I dont like this Buster
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- SF GIants Baseball 2011 = *sigh* Home of 6 World Series Titles
- SF 49ers Football 2011-2012 = ??? Home of the 5.5 Super Bowl Champs ( Aaron Rodgers should of been a Niner)
- WHO'S GOT IT BETTER THAN US???? NOOOOOOOOOOBODYY!!!!!!!!!!!!
- A fan of the Warriors and Lakers.
BABIP last year .333
/sustainable
I like his .470 slugging with only 18 homers. 44 doubles and 5 triples is the type of hitter not killed at ATT.
So we filled CF for free. Does that mean more $ for SS?
by Myemail21479 on Nov 7, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
This.
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by CalBear949 on Nov 7, 2011 10:27 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Getting doubles and triples hitters for AT&T is what I like to call the STEVE FINLEY STRATEGY.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
.246/.320/.394
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
But 12 shiny triples!
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
It felt like he hit those 12 triples in the first month and never got a hit again
“Finley’s Alley”
by kingofthacove on Nov 7, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
No. Definitely not.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Damn, I thought Sanchez was worth at least a Prince Fielder. Oh well. Are there 7 other active Cabrera’s we could lock up for our Opening Day line-up?
We could get Miguel and Asdrubal
Sadly, they both know how to hit, which means they won’t fit in with this team
so have we given up on stockpiling all the Sanchez’s in the world?
Proud adopted parent of the ball dudes, who have grounded into 109 fewer double plays than the Giants.
Sanchez's are so 2010...
It’s a new era. Jolbert in the OF? Alex? Evereth? We can DO this!
by saveuszito on Nov 7, 2011 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I actually kind of like this...
I mean, I’ll miss having a player nicknamed Dirty Sanchez but he tried and tried and tried and could never control the walks. If nothing else, less 5 inning, 6 walk, 3 er starts hopefully…
They just traded a pitcher at his lowest possible value to make a lateral outfield move and shift Zito back into the rotation.
Yay!
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 10:31 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Or, they just traded a terribly frustrating pitcher who didn’t fit into the plans for next year and would have been quite expensive for what he provides over Zito for an outfielder who may have put things together last season.
And, it shows to Beltran a move that improves the offense more than Buster and Freddy so maybe it means we’re more likely to re-sign him…
by 56yearslater on Nov 7, 2011 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
for an outfielder who may have put things together last season.
Identify this line: .309 / .374 / .515
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
To be fair, he did that in a bandbox. And we’re not playing Melky a ton of money for his career year.
by BestHyperboleEver on Nov 7, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
I’d be more confident that Cabrera put things together last year if the stats that inflated him to good weren’t so clearly aberrant.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
A maincourse of Downside with two sides of downside
and shift Zito back into the rotation
by betterthanbochy on Nov 7, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Meanwhile, Baseball America today. . .
. . .lists Zach Wheeler as the Mets’ #1 prospect, cites his fastball and curveball as the best among Mets prospects, and projects him to be their #1 starter in 2015.
And to think they were offering Zito a five-year deal before the 2007 season.
by betterthanbochy on Nov 7, 2011 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
#1 in the Mets system
is, remember, a matter of relative value.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I think this has more to do about Sanchez than anything
They probably wanted to unload him badly and would take the first offer they would get.
This makes me think that the Giants were not going to offer Sanchez arb
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by CalBear949 on Nov 7, 2011 10:26 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Unless Sanchez begins the season throwing baseballs with his mouth because both of his arms got eaten by bears, this has more to do with Torres than anything.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
and
$800k. Never forget.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe both.
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by CalBear949 on Nov 7, 2011 10:39 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
indeed
tbh, although I’m sad to see Guapo go, I can’t necessarily argue with trying to save money that way.
Also, hooray for Zito and Surkamp, soon to be your 5th starters!
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
Remember everyone, we get to have another Cabrera on the team Yay!!!
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Farewell, Dirty
You threw a no-hitter once, and then walked everyone else.
never mind that whole “led the team in era the year they won the world series”
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Nov 7, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
MadBum begs to differ
plus, the top 4 were essentially tied.
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Qualified
But whatever. My point is, he did more than throw a no-hitter.
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Nov 7, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
He was often frustrating to watch,
but I’ll miss you, Durty.
"Bengie Molina - the quintessential double play possibility." - Jon MIller
Me too
Met my GF in Vegas the day he threw the No No. He was always our starter. We were in Petco when he threw the 1 hitter loss.
He was awesome when he was on, and hair pulling out when he wasn’t (because of his potential)
by Myemail21479 on Nov 7, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
According to Brian Sabean, at the end of the season,
the decision-makers, scouts, etc. in the organization sat around and literally circled the names of all the Giants they wanted to come back in 2012 and players around the league they might also want on the team.
This implies that enough people in the organization circled Melky Cabrera’s name. FUCK THIS ORGANIZATION. I don’t care if it won a World Series and drafted a few good arms, the process is ALL FUCKING WRONG. These are cavemen living in the past.
Black box, dude.
It’s much more likely that it means they wanted to unload Sanchez than that they wanted to acquire Cabrera.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
OPERATION: MUST HAVE CABRERA ON ROSTER
SUCCESS!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 10:26 AM PST reply actions
Bye Dirty
Thanks for throwing a no-hitter and winning Game 162.
…aw crap, does this make Zito the 5th starter? I know for a fact they’re not going to hand it to Surkamp.
Yes
They have to get all the juice from that lemon pulp they paid 127 mil for
by Myemail21479 on Nov 7, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
Oh for crap's sake
If the secondary purpose of this trade was to make room for Zito, then I give up.
The secondary purpose was to screw Torres out of a job.
Zitoing us is tertiary.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 7, 2011 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
Best-case scenario over a 20-game stretch with Zito at #5
WWWWL WWWWL WWWWL WWWWL
by betterthanbochy on Nov 7, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
b/c 2011 didn't happen amirite?
Look, I know how annoyed you get when ppl say stuff like “Oh well if you don’t count that good month he had he sucked”, so, you know, don’t do that.
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
by Viliphied on Nov 7, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
93 OPS+ including 2011 with the most likely regression pointing down is little consolation, so I wasn’t too worried about the exclusion here. Obviously, the full sample is the better one.
I’m pretty sure the Giants fully expect him to hit .300 with scads of triples, though. So…
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
And I fully realize that I’m pushing really hard right now, to the likely detriment of my own arguments. In truth, I don’t mind Melky in a vacuum. There is nothing positive – nothing – about what this trade represents, though.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
I don't really see anything that BAD about it though either
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
I don’t know. The willingness – nay, eagerness – of this team to both sell low and buy high in the pursuit of a lateral move while shedding much needed depth from the pitching that they are so visibly counting on turning in another historic season… the willful ignorance toward luck-based inflation and the continued overvaluation of the offensive strikeout….
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
if you really think verdugo was depth
I have a nice bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell you.
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Sanchez was clearly depth.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
...Melky in a vacuum.
Hmm. You want him dead?
"He has maybe one of the best arms I've ever seen; he could be playing by the concession stand and he's not out of position." - Andy Skeels, talking about 3B Chris Dominguez.
At least we won't have to seen Sanchez during the season.
That would be weird.
I’ll be busy scouring BR trying to justify having Melky on the Giants. This doesn’t help though:
Steals: 20
Caught stealing: 10
That’s bad, right?
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You don't like his similarity rankings?
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by vibratingsheep on Nov 7, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
Depending on his arb numbers…he could.he a good pick. The question is whether he is a one year wonder
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by CalBear949 on Nov 7, 2011 10:30 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I already did, in the blockquote up there.
Bleacher Report loves it!
Oh, you meant a useful website with those initials? Pfffft. Why?
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 7, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
I guess one guy likes it
Kevin_Goldstein Kevin Goldstein
You folks realize that Melky, who could always hit, got into shape and had 309 total bases, right?
Kevin_Goldstein Kevin Goldstein
@CrashburnAlley And Melky doesn’t walk, therefore he sucks. #BadLogic
The placeholder until Gary Brown is ready. I guess I can live with that on the cheap.
Think of it this way, instead of keeping Jonathan Sanchez and signing Coco Crisp, Sabean traded Sanchez for Cabrera and used that money to sign affeldt and Lopez.
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by jctGamer on Nov 7, 2011 10:29 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
/reads jctGamer
//slowly backs away from the ledge
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
this is a great analysis
assuming they don’t sign Crispy anyway.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
this
Not quite sure what all the freaking out is about. There was speculation his arb salary might be an issue anyways. It means no Coco Crisp, provides a stopgap until Gary Brown is ready, and it leaves us an extra million to throw at Beltran.
So is Cody Ross now is officially gone? Yeah I know he wasn't gonna come back
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You just found me the silver lining!
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Nov 7, 2011 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
Cody is officially off first round of signings for us
He might be a late Feb make good contract if he is still kicking a can around. Depends how the market goes.
by Myemail21479 on Nov 7, 2011 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
he was
all but gone anyway unless he came back on a cheapo deal after getting no real offers in FA.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
HOW IS SABBY FORMED
WHY IS MELKY
Mayor of Smug.
by rotorueter on Nov 7, 2011 10:30 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Omg, read this in caveman voice, I just burst out laughing at work.
by TheSoundOfHockey on Nov 7, 2011 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
Melky ain't perfect
But Giants traded their 5th of 6th starter for a guy who had a 4 war last year and is younger than 30.
Does that mean more $ for SS?
This trade isn’t horrible, what did we expect out of Sanchez anyways? He was not going to be our number 2-3 starter hopes.
it assumes
upgrades in LF and SS. And a passable 5th starter.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
Very sad. Jonathan Sanchez was the one minor leaguer I really followed back in the day. I still think that he could be great someday. Frustrating as all hell, but when he was on, he was unhittable.
Sadder than this move probably means the end of the line for Andres Torres, who is easy to root for.
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He was pretty unhittable when he was off, too.
It being hard to hit pitches that miss the plate by multiple feet.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 7, 2011 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
You guys realize that this makes Zito the 5th starter, right?
lulz.
I need booze.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 7, 2011 10:32 AM PST reply actions
Dude
Surkamp.
/hides
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by Dan Strittmatter on Nov 7, 2011 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
This was always the case imo
untradable and uncuttable.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I think Zito was going to be a starter no matter what.
The sad thing will be when Vogelsong regresses next year and the Giants are just a 3-man rotation then.
at least for a couple months
then he’ll be “injured” again. Let’s hope for Vogelsong II in March (and at least they have a track record of pitcher reclamations).
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"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't say that
A 2-win season from your 4th pitcher is pretty decent. How much are you expecting him to regress?
Meh…they always go get some waned up prospect who pitched in Japan
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by CalBear949 on Nov 7, 2011 10:34 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
thanks for reminding us. can we go find that bridge to jump off of now?
by orange velvet on Nov 7, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
Surkamp!
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
So who is gonna be the 5th pitcher in the rotation?
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- A fan of the Warriors and Lakers.
...
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
by jctGamer on Nov 7, 2011 10:43 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
I love the flaming Z
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
84 MPH "warmth"
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Holy shit
Best thing ever.
I am contemplating creating a dummy account to rec this twice.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Nov 7, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
**SITUATION ZITO**
i repeat
SITUATION ZITO
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on Nov 7, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
Dammit Sabean...
Sell low on Sanchez and buy high on Melky…and we had to add.
What happens when Vogelsong sucks next year and not to mention Zito…
Maybe Joe Nathan can start again
Second perfect circle in 2 years
by Myemail21479 on Nov 7, 2011 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
Jesus Christ
Well considering Cabrera helped the Giants defeat the Braves in the NLDS, it’s only apropos that he play for us.
This is how desperate they were to replace a guy who strikes out a lot with a guy who doesn’t, regardless of value.
/talking about Torres/Cabrera… oddly, could also be talking about Sanchez/Zito.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
Torres Ks a lot
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by CalBear949 on Nov 7, 2011 10:36 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think you have their thinking pretty much figured out. They hate the K.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 7, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
greetings from KC
Sanchez might be unbearable for us due to walks, but he’s probably the Royals best starter now, plus we get a look at an OFer who we dealt Greinke for and we sold on Melky before he started to suck again.
Thanks for this, and for taking Jose Guillen
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Thanks for Guillen for helping us win the WS
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- A fan of the Warriors and Lakers.
yeah
I think he did help the Giants win the WS by not being on the postseason roster
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I don’t get the image. Are you trying to crash the champagne room?
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
He is the champagne room
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by CalBear949 on Nov 7, 2011 10:38 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
They can have Lorenzo Cain play CF now that Melky is gone
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it's the default "grin" photo for me now
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2012: Either the Royals win, or John Cusack saves us with his RV
Whatever happened to that guy we gave up for Guillen
Was that Pucetas?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
RIP
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
In honor of Andy Rooney’s passing all of U.S.A. was awarded…..an extra 60 minutes.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
And now you know...
the rest of the story.
Wait, wrong grumpy old coot.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 7, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
IN THE ASS
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
…and a AA lefty from a now-VERY-depleted minor league stable of starters.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
an AA lefty
who wasn’t particularly good.
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
I hate how Sabean has to throw in a pitching prospect to half his trades. We have no idea how good Verdugo will be yet.
24 yo
in AA, not pitching particularly well.
Not likely to be good.
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
lololol TORRES
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aslkfjas;flksmndf
hankschulman Henry Schulman
Giants have traded Jonathan Sanchez for Melky Cabrera, according to stories on both teams Websites. Gs just picked up a .300 hitter.
WHY IS MELKY
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by rotorueter on Nov 7, 2011 10:38 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
BATTING AVERAGE!!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 7, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
WOW.
I relly think that was just a needle at the McCoven and those like the McCoven.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
HANK IS MEEN
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
He didn’t tweet it until after BOTH teams had stories up? tsk, tsk, tsk
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Nov 7, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
Wait. We really just lost in a trade with Dayton Moore?
Holy shit that’s fuck.
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I don't know about 'lost'
But I personally really, really, hate seeing Melky, so…
Jonathan Sanchez just walked the bases loaded while you type that
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And hit the Guy on the on deck circle
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by CalBear949 on Nov 7, 2011 10:49 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
To be fair, Sanchez walked the bases loaded, but Cabrera refused to take the free base on balls.
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so awesome that we traded a guy that walks everyone
for a guy that doesn’t walk
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
FTFY
so awesome that we traded a guy that walks everyone for the guy he couldn’t walk
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Nov 7, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
I was eating an old oatmeal rasin cookie when I read this
and it suddenly tasted like ashes in my mouth.
I almost switched browser tabs and called up Melky’s fangraphs page… but you know, I just ate.
All your mediocre CF is belong to us is SOOO 2007! Sabes trying to recapture the magic.
Plus side: Watching Sanchez pitch not likely to induce vomiting.
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Huh, for some reason I thought Melky was older than 27
Okay, I feel slightly better about his now. Still, there’s a bit of a dropoff from Sanchez to Zito, and I doubt that Sabean took this into account.
He made his debut in July of 2005
So he’s been around for about six and a half years
He was really young when he came to the Yanks.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
Welcome Melky Cabrera
We will look at you with disdain and suspicion shaded glasses.
I feel like I want to rage. Right now.
The Giants turn their lonely eyes to you
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by CalBear949 on Nov 7, 2011 10:41 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
yeah but at least joltin joe had the good sense to go somewhere else
now if we could get sabean to go somewhere else
by orange velvet on Nov 7, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
It's the only way to be sure!
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
He did do well last year
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by CalBear949 on Nov 7, 2011 10:41 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
He had good power as well
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by CalBear949 on Nov 7, 2011 10:44 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Career ISO: .123. Last year: .164. AL ’11 average: .150.
In what universe is that good power?
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Quiet you. He hit an abnormal number of doubles with a BABIP nearly 35 points higher than his career average! That is sure to continue!
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
I agree with on the career numbers but last year was decent
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by CalBear949 on Nov 7, 2011 10:50 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
wasnt sf one of the least walking teams last year?
by orange velvet on Nov 7, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
Every year.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Aside from 2010, I believe.
Also of note, that was like the one time in the last 6 years where we didn’t have a bottom 3 offense.
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For SIX SEASONS, he was an 85 OPS+ player. 2,500 plate appearances. But he was outlierific last season!
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
Didn't Melky used to play for the Yankees?
/Giants know how to win now
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PROVEN WINNER
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Nov 7, 2011 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
LOL...as Sabaen/Bochy would say:
“He’s been there…”
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Nov 7, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
PA's and wRC+ in play offs:
06: 3 PA’s, -100 wRC+
07: 16 PA’s, 35 wRC+
09: 53 PA’s, 63 wRC+
10: 8 PA’s, -100 wRC+
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
Back-up plan since we couldn't get Swisher.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Melky isn't a bad pickup...I think most people are upset because in the past, we've had chances to trade Sanchez for something better.
My questions are though:
1) Can Melky play CF? Maybe he’s better suited for LF when Gary Brown is ready? This is assuming of couse that Beltran isn’t re-signed.
2) Was Melky’s career year last year a sign of things to come? Was it his first time being a regular starter?
3) If this move saves $3-4 million as some here a projecting, what does that translate to? I’m still waiting on a Cain extension announcement.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Nov 7, 2011 10:44 AM PST reply actions
It saves us 3-4M as compared to signing COCO CRISP
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And another couple million because the giants will now non-tender Torres
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by Rook Takes Pawn on Nov 7, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
What about in addition to?
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
This is a scary thought
i’d rather not entertain these voices in my head.
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I guess this is all about what the Giants don't have to do either...
Which is committing to Coco for multiple years. Also, at least Melky is under 30! That’s a little unlike Sabaen.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Nov 7, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
I find hard to believe that Nelly will go from 1.4 to 4 million.
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by CalBear949 on Nov 7, 2011 10:47 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Don’t forget the 4 million they’re going to save on Torres.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
Another unanswered question, why (or who) are we saving money?
SFG made a ton of $$$…that much is known. But how they spend that is the question.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Nov 7, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
They are not spending it
It is going into the owner’s pockets. The Rainy Day Fund!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 7, 2011 11:04 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
2.) No, he’s had 450+ PA’s 5 times before last year, playing at least 129 games. He’s been a regular before.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
I think a positive is that he's a 20/20 threat which is way better than what we've had leading off in the past.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Nov 7, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
I believe his CS rate makes using him as a base stealer kind of pointless
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 7, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
Is that CS rate from last year only or career?
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Nov 7, 2011 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
I don't see that number getting any better as he ages
Basically, Cabrera is an empty batting average. The exact type of player that Sabean overvalues.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 7, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
Is that HR rate from last year only or career?
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by lenscrafters on Nov 7, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
I don't know. I think he's flashed 15-20 HR pop over his career.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Nov 7, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
Well I think if you do some projecting he's close to it.
He’s only 27 and has seen 450 ABs on average per year. If you extrapolate that and also consider he’s in his “prime power age”, then I think it’s somewhat safe to say he can be a 15-20 HR guy.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Nov 7, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
That isn’t “projecting”. That is wishcasting. He has been in double digits only twice in his career.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 7, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
His career 600 PA average is something like 10 HRs per.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
In his career year he had an OBP at 339.
That’s not a good lead off man.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
The goal isn't to be better than Coco
It is to be good or better compared to league average.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 7, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
And who would have done that for us? THe window to trade Sanchez for something better has already closed.
On the market, there’s Coco and Sizemore.
Melky is only 27 so I guess it comes down to if you think he continues to improve or not.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Nov 7, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
but we're talking replacement here
we have all resigned to the fact that Coco Crisp is coming. This trade gives me renewed optimism that maybe it won’t!
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Yes! Plus, I wasn't looking forward to committing multple years to Coco.
With Melky, we have more flexibility.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Nov 7, 2011 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
Saves us more
Ztio+Sanchez= Approx 23 mil
Zito+ Melky= Approx 22 mil
Whatever CF we would have signed, is all savings… I would put it in the range of 5-8 mil
by Myemail21479 on Nov 7, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
My question is, what does this mean for Beltran and Brown?
Do the Giants have Melky as a rental and re-signing Beltran? Or do they extend Melky and move him to LF when Brown is ready? I’ve read some articles that Brown is a year away.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Nov 7, 2011 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
Melky's contract is only for 1 year
How it matters after 2012 is in question
by Myemail21479 on Nov 7, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
I know that...I guess the situation is fluid. If Melky puts up a good line next year, he'll probably be extended.
If Beltran is signed to a multi-year deal, then that keeps Brown in the minors. If Brown continues to develop, then what happens when he’s ready?
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Nov 7, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Depends on Nate/Belt and 1b situation
As long as the contracts are not horrible, they are always tradeable.
by Myemail21479 on Nov 7, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
Belt to 1B when Huff leaves.
Beltran – Brown – Melky
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
No Nate? Would rather not commit to Beltran and put Melky in LF and Nate in RF.
Just MO though.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Nov 7, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
I was running with your hypothetical
That we sign Beltran and Melky has a good year.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
In the future, we more than likely had a great chance to trade Sanchez for something better, while getting his sup-Zito production for half a year in the process.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
I think we've all been waiting to see what we flip Sanchez for and he was someone who we held onto for too long. Would've traded him right after 2010.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Nov 7, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
We definitely held onto him for too long in the global sense. In the local sense, we had an honest opportunity to let his all-time-low value moderately rebound.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
Makes me think of the Untouchable Merkin Valdez.
All those years in the minors, then he ends up released by the Rangers last week. What a career he never had.
JSanchez, same thing. We could have traded him for the sun, the moon, and the stars at one point. Instead we got an asteroid.
by mrs. owlcroft on Nov 7, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
Not sure about your space analogy but definitely could've had Uggla.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Nov 7, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
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by Murray, Present on Nov 7, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
Melky, as in:
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
by bgunn on Nov 7, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
considering my expectations for Sanchez deal
Were a couple b prospects. I’m cool with this
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by DFARowand on Nov 7, 2011 10:44 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
I'm cool with this too. I've always thought Melky needed a chance to play regularly.
His overall stats, IMO, were misleading in the past. When playing for NYY and starting regularly, he was damn good. I think his numbers were hurt by him having sporadic playing time.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Nov 7, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
Well, it was nice to win one World Series
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by Murray, Present on Nov 7, 2011 10:45 AM PST reply actions
What the hell is this? is this real? I cannot.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 7, 2011 10:45 AM PST reply actions
Miguel or Asdrubal would have been okay. Orlando and Melky. No me gustan.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 7, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
LOL, we got all the bad Cabreras.
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by Murray, Present on Nov 7, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t have a problem with this in the sense that I had any faith in Jonathan Sanchez, I just hate it because it was a bad deal for the G’s because I’m pretty sure they could’ve gotten more. Brian Sabean is just not a good negotiator.
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 10:47 AM PST reply actions
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I have a strong suspicion that we, as a community, overvalue Jonathan Sanchez
and his contract status.
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by jctGamer on Nov 7, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I actually think they could not have
They could have gotten some better talent – as A-level prospects maybe. But they were really dealing from a position of weakness here. They have no use for a walky 6th starter. They obv. should have traded him after the World Series win. Now’s basically odd man out.
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But see, I place more value on prospects than what are essentially short-term replacement players like Cabrerra. I’d prefer the prospects and roll the dice.
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
but this would never happen
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I think
it’s kinda like taking your old car with the leaking oil pump and worn-out transmission for a paint job.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
Seems like it was a season too late to trade Sanchez. whatever
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Nov 7, 2011 10:48 AM PST reply actions
Yeah but hindsight. How many thought that he had turned the corner
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by CalBear949 on Nov 7, 2011 10:54 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I feel like a lot of people were OK with trading Sanchez after last year.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
He wasn’t expendable until Vogelsong broke out. Remember all the sixth starter fear back in March? At best we could have unloaded him at the deadline but he was already all injured and walky by then.
by Royce Clayton as Miguel Tejada on Nov 7, 2011 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
I am officially over it
My fault for thinking Sabean would make smart moves this offseason.
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Nov 7, 2011 10:48 AM PST reply actions
Oust Neukom.
Make godawful trades
???
Profit?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 7, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
We’ll see how profitable they’ll be when the Niners return to glory!!!
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 7, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
Wouldn’t of cared if that hadn’t included Verdugo. Seems completely unnecessary, especially for a team with thin pitching in the AA-AAA range
by Rdubya on Nov 7, 2011 10:49 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
yes
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I’m stuck on that as well.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 7, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
Yup.
The Giants suddenly have no pitching depth. It’s very unlikely that Vogelsong will even reproduce 90% of his stats next season. Zito will, of course, be a disaster.
To be fair
I’m not sure the answer to “pitching depth” was “Ryan Verdugo”
To be fair
The answer to pitching depth is now…who? Crick?
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Probably some below mediocre FA wandering around the countryside.
Jonathan Sanchez represented a pretty significant chunk of pitching depth on this team. He was the only person standing between 5th starter and Barry Zito/Ryan Surkamp.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
Exactly. It’s like everyone out there just assumes Ryan Vogelsong will be the Ryan Vogelsong of last year. I mean, I hope it happens because he seems like a great guy who deserves only good things, but I’m not counting on it.
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
I think Vogelsong has a fair chance of replicating his defense-and-luck-free production from last season. IIRC, his secondary stats, though obviously out of line for his career, came in more or less sustainable ranges.
But he could explode. And it should surprise nobody if he does.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
MEKLY CABRERA!?!?!?!?!??
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
“Hey, guys, let’s sell low on Jonathan Sanchez, buy high on a shitty player coming off the ONLY good year of a seven-year career…AND throw in a minor league pitcher for good measure! SWEET!”
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er.....MELKY CABRERA!?!?!?!!?
Maybe Sabean was confused and thought he was trading for Miguel Cabrera?
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FOR THE SECOND TIME
he should just ask for Lance Lynn
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 7, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
I still believe he wanted to get Asdrubal and accidentally ended up with Orlando.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 7, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
He's working his way through the Cabreras
First, Orlando. Now Melky. Next I imagine will be Everth.
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
Jolbert!
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by natteringnabob on Nov 7, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
Can't predict baseball
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Dammit, we are going to stay with "Operation Cabrera" until we get it right!
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by Penitentiary Face on Nov 7, 2011 10:52 AM PST reply actions
How much do you want to bet that Sabean read that asinine garbage on FOX Sports (it was FOX, wasn’t it? They’re the only ones I can count on to routinely spout nonsense) about trading Lincecum, said “oh well shit we HAVE to make a trade now…um, YOU, Sanchez, you. You go. And take a random pitcher with you. Verdugo. Yeah, him. Thanks.”
God damn it.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 7, 2011 10:52 AM PST reply actions
it was fangraphs before it was fox
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You naysayers are going to look foolish when we make $10 million dollars next year selling Melk Cartons. BS #SFGiants
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 7, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
Melk Carton Hats.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
Is Orlando Cabrera going to be on the roster next year?
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by theghostofwilliemcgee on Nov 7, 2011 10:54 AM PST reply actions
stupid people on Facebook
i hope to see the starting rotation like this : madbum , cain, volegsong, linscum and hope u get wilson cus i dont wanna see zito
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i think he means CJ Wilson
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that's probably about as likely as Brian Wilson
But would make more sense.
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OMG
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Sigh
I hate that I can go to a website, look at stats, and easily come to the conclusion that no, Melky Cabrera is not a good baseball player…yet the man who is in charge of the baseball team that I love has even more resources, yet comes to a different conclusion.
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Nov 7, 2011 10:54 AM PST reply actions
Have you shaken Melky’s hand? Have you looked into his eyes and seen a pennant?
Sabean has.
by ohcleverhansyou on Nov 7, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
haha
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 7, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
Implications of this deal.
1. Torres will be the 5th OF if he’s lucky.
2. Nate?
3. Now Beltran is about as likely to sign here as Albert Pujols.
-If he does sign here, our days of spectacular OF defense are gone. Sorry Matt Cain.
4. Rainy Day Fund. Hella.
5. ZEETS!
6. Surkamp!
I can’t understand the urgency to trade Sanchez. His value was at an all time low. This is so Joe Nathan/AJ Pierzinsky.
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If Beltran signs here it better be as a LF.
Beltran – Melky – Nate would be okay.
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I miss Johnny already. But I am excited about how many times I’m going to get to say the word “Melky” next summer.
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Hey guys Melky Cabrera hit for the cycle in 2009! That’s why we traded for him!
I kinda feel bad for having such uncontrollable white hot rage directed at Cabrera when he’s probably a nice guy, but son of a bitch. He’s not good. He’s not good at all. What the fuck is this trade?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 7, 2011 10:55 AM PST reply actions
Well...
Remember how a little over a year ago we were talking about Prince for Sanchez? Or hell, even Corey Hart for Sanchez? Yeah….
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The difference is Prince Fielder and even Corey Hart are good hitters. Melky Cabrera is not. I’m not burned at making the trade. I’m burned at trading for someone who’s not worth a damn.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 7, 2011 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
That was my point. We traded Sanchez at the worst possible time. Sure, Sanchez was frustrating to watch at times…but he was worth more than Melky fucking Cabrera!
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Ah yes I am reading your comment again and you explained it well. I’m just raging. I need to rage.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 7, 2011 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
I Remember Sanchez
I remember when he pitched really well.
I also remember that Buster was about the only guy who could get him to settle down if someone got a hit off of him.
Melky isn’t awful… I’m just not sure what we’re doing with the outfield.
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I think I have an idea of what’s happening in the outfield. But it so horrible I’m not sure what to say.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Nov 7, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
He's potentially awful.
He’ll be worse than Cody Ross was. At least Ross could play defense.
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I thought we just traded him for Melky?
by BestHyperboleEver on Nov 7, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
LOL
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
aw geez
I knew Cabrera was a completely mediocre hitter, but I was thinking maybe at least he’s a plus defender.
UZR/150 the last two seasons: -18.9, -7.2
Sigh.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 7, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
Yup.
He’s probably going to look a lot like Cody Ross without the defense.
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also minus 12 points of career OPS+
At least he’s younger than Cody, I guess?
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UZR/150
is a terrible way to evaluate defense. Sorry.
He’s not a good defender. But he’s not that putrid, either.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
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Listen people
It was going to be this or Coco Crisp. I’ll take this any day of the week. In a vacuum of course there were better options. But when you live in Sabeanland you gotta hope he makes the less stupid choice. I think trading Sanchez for melky Cabrera is less stupid then keeping Sanchez at 6 mil and paying coco crisp 4-5 mil
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WHAT I SAID
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I never thought you’d be the voice of reason lol.
You want to see a walk? Then go watch the mailman.
Or
You could’ve simply continued starting Torres in center. Unlike Melky, he not only plays center, but he plays it extremely well. Torres by himself is probably as good if not better than Melky. Torres + Sanchez is almost certainly better than Melky + [5th starter replacement for Sanchez].
If Sanchez’s salary is the issue, then you trade him for prospects. You can use the savings towards Beltran or a FA SS.
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by lenscrafters on Nov 7, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
We're talking about Sabean, though
What you and I would’ve done is moot. In the realm of stupid moves that Sabes would make, this is on the low end of stupidity.
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by Murray, Present on Nov 7, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
I'm with u on just keeping Torres is the better option
But it’s been clear since the postseason pressed this wasnt happening.
So..
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by DFARowand on Nov 7, 2011 11:38 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
after more than a decade of grading Sabean on the curve - "well, this move sucks, but this other move he might've made would've been worse"
I’m pretty much over it.
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Yeah, I agree
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oh for goodness sakes
yes, melky might be bad, and this freakout could be completely justified.
But sanchez wasnt exactly lighting up a storm either for us. How about we wait until melky plays some actual ball before we all gnash our teeth at sabean.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 7, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
Why wait?
We have 7 years worth of stats to suggest that Melky is not particularly good.
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That’s imprudent, though. You don’t depend on the possibility of career years.
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Well, the Giants do that. Absolutely. There is no evidence against that.
But, normal, reasonable people do not, that’s true.
agreed
but what if melky “figured something out” last year that leads to more consistently good play?
We just wont know until he plays some games for us
but what if melky "figured something out" last year that leads to more consistently good play?
And what evidence do you have to suggest that this is the case?
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he had a decent year last year
i cant predict the future, but whats done is done, and im not gonna get all riled up for something that may or may not be a good move
but what if melky "figured something out" last year that leads to more consistently good play?
The Giants have been building their lineup around this hope for years and years now.
It’s worked out great, huh!?
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oh for the love of
They won the World Series with a league average offense.
That league average offense is the best offense they’ve had in almost a decade.
The Giants are fucking great at pulling pitchers out their asses. That doesn’t mean they have the benefit of the doubt in players like Melky Cabrera because THEIR TRACK RECORD WITH THAT KIND OF PLAYER IS INCREDIBLY HORRIBLE.
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by jcb9 on Nov 7, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
i was only responding to your quote "its worked out great huh"
and yes, in fact it did work out great.
The Giants have been building their lineup around this hope for years and years now.
It’s worked out great, huh!?
The second sentence proceeds logically from the first, to wit:
“Signing guys because you hope they can repeat their one good season has not resulted in successful lineups in the past.”
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I agree with this comment
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 7, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
The freakout is my favorite part of the offseason.
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
Wait
Wasn’t Melky rumored as a trade target for us when he was on the Yankees a couple of years ago? Weren’t we allegedly offering Sanchez?
It’s like this trade was on Sabean’s to-do list from 3 years ago and he decided today was the day to follow through with it and cross it off his list. Dayton Moore was like “Sure Brian! Sounds good! It feels great to help you cross something off your to-do list.”
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Nov 7, 2011 11:01 AM PST reply actions
I can still hear Jon Sterling
“AAAAAAANNNNNNDDDD theeeeeee Milkmmmmmmmman delivvvvvvvvers!!!!”
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Nov 7, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
As erratic as Dirty was for the Giants
I still liked the guy. Hated his wildness. Couldn’t ignore his typical Dirty line of: 5 2/3 IP, 4 BB, 6 K, 2 H, 1 HBP (sorry for ending your season (Shin Soo Choo), 12 snot-rockets. Very frustrating to watch him. But I could live with his performances. Who will ever forget Dirty’s prediction in 2010 when we were trailing the Friars in August that we would come back and win the Division? The worst part about this transaction is not Melky (and he better be in LF not CF), the worst part if having to look at Zito every 5th day. We need another Voggie miracle to surface in Spring Training so we can avoid seeing Zito in any meaningful games.
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by Penitentiary Face on Nov 7, 2011 11:02 AM PST reply actions
Sanchez had a bad year.
But he was very good, even if a little lucky in 2010. If he’s something between 2010 and 2011 in 2012 he would have been a great asset in the back of the rotation. Unfortunately now we are resigned to either Zito or Surkamp or some amalgum of the two. One induces vomiting the other just depleats hope a bit.
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by The Gene Hackman on Nov 7, 2011 11:02 AM PST reply actions
At least the pic is funny.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 7, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
Dude had
44 doubles last year, I’m impressed
Pitching and defense wins championships, but oh those dingerz....
….and never more than 28 in any other season.
Just for shits and giggles, Aaron Rowand had 45 doubles in 2007.
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I can still hope for
Cabrera CF
Sanchez 2B
Beltran LF
Sandoval 3B
Posey C
Schierholtz RF
Huff 1B
Furcal SS
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Nov 7, 2011 11:02 AM PST reply actions
He's already being forgotten
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I didn't forget him.
I’m just being realistic.
Or, Sabeanistic.
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by yankeessuck8991 on Nov 7, 2011 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
The eventual Brandon Belt trade is going to be hilarious.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
Let me kill myself halfway
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More like
Crisp CF
Sanchez 2B
Sandoval 3B
Posey C
Cabrera LF
Huff 1B
Schierholtz RF
Crawford SS
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by Penitentiary Face on Nov 7, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
Blech
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Nov 7, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
Who else would hit leadoff?
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Nov 7, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
It's just that
Bochy always does it. Yes, he’s an unfortunate but probable choice for leadoff in that lineup.
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Its a push
Sanchez was probably my least favorite Giant in a looooong time……..probably going back to Juden or so. Cabrera has seemed to stink since he left NY. Neither is a major factor, and while they clearly need hitting more than pitching, they have locked up a spot with a subpar player. Kind of ugh, kind of who cares in my book.
A handful?
He’s the wildest starting pitcher in baseball, and prone to huge mental screwups. More torturous than Wilson, without the escape hatches BW seems to find. He’ll be great in KC.
by Stoned Slacker on Nov 7, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
Sanchez just wakled the first 3 batters of the inning while you typed this
No really… nobody more frustrating because his stuff was electric, yet he would go 10 pitches in a row every game he could not control… 2 on no out and 2-0 count. Raggs comes in, and he gets out of it, after 30 pitches and striking out the side. WTF!
by Myemail21479 on Nov 7, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
Exactly like I was saying.
Yes he’s wild but he’s always had great K% and BAA. He can still be a very productive pitcher. It’s not like he went all Dontrelle Willis or something.
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2011 K/BB, ERA+
Sanchez: 1.55, 84
Willis: 1.54, 78
Technically better!
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 7, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
I would have to agree
Sanchez would excite me, but you always wondered if he would screw up. Actually I mean how long before he did screw up.
I remember one game where he was so unstable he forgot to cover 1st base. The Giants are strong in the pitching department, don’t ya think. good riddance, I guess
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by luved the stick on Nov 7, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah,
I’m totally fed up with him because he forgot to cover 1B that one time. Sure his numbers would look just like Tim Lincecum’s if he dropped his walk rate a bit, but screw him because he forgot to cover 1B that one time.
These arguments against Sanchez are all so well reasoned and objective.
Lincecum K%, BB % 2007-2011
K% BB%
24.30% 10.50%
28.60% 9.10%
28.80% 7.50%
25.80% 8.50%
24.40% 9.60%
Sanchez: K%, BB % 2007-2011
26.10% 11.80%
22.60% 10.80%
24.90% 12.40%
25.30% 11.80%
23.00% 14.90%
Sanchez had a really bad year last year. Previous to last year his numbers were all on pretty good trends. The K% was up three years in a row, the BB% was pretty steady. He just had one crappy season in which he threw 100 IP and some of them probably not in his best health. This looks personal to me, not objective, this desparation to move Sanchez.
I am not trying to say that Sanchez is Lincecum or anything close to it. Just trying to show that he’s kinda similar, and that if he could ever drop his BB% under 10, he could be really, really good.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
Good thing there's more to baseball than walks and strikeouts
Hopefully this is the last time I see Sanchez and Lincecum mentioned in the same breath.
“If he could ever drop his walk rate”. And if Rob Deer had ever dropped his K rate he would have been a hall of famer. Sanchez is 29, we’ve been saying and hearing the same things for YEARS now, and he’s gotten worse if anything.
by Stoned Slacker on Nov 7, 2011 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
And to reply to myself....
.305 with 18 homers and 40 doubles last year? Holy cow, if he does half of that it was a good trade. I had no idea he had a re-surgence, and I was OK with this trade even when I thought we were getting ATL-era Cabrera.
by Stoned Slacker on Nov 7, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
Also NYY-era Cabrera.
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No, if he does half of that, he’ll be a terrible, terrible player.
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Giants just got a .153 hitter!
by Royce Clayton as Miguel Tejada on Nov 7, 2011 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
Resurgence? More like a surgence.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
IKR
Last year was the first of seven that…
- Melky’s OPS+ topped 100
- Melky’s SLG topped .416 (only the second to top .400)
- Melky had more than 28 doubles and 13 HR’s
Also, his BABIP exceeded his career average by .033, and his walk rate sank down to a career low 5%.
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
lolptimism
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by yankeessuck8991 on Nov 7, 2011 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
We have the money for Reyes? lol
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by Murray, Present on Nov 7, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
Every time I see Freddy Sanchez in a theoretical lineup, I laugh.
Either because he won’t play this season, or that will be the one game he does play in.
uh oh
Next on the list, Yuniesky Betancourt! /jumps from Golden Gate Bridge
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Woah
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they knew
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 7, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
Haha!
rec’d
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 7, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
LOLOLOL
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This chart is worthless without their respective ages. Having a breakout season at age 26 is not necessarily a fluke.
by Royce Clayton as Miguel Tejada on Nov 7, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
Most people around here
are familiar enough with Huff’s stats to know they look the same right back to the same age as Melk. They appear, at first blush, to be very similar players separated by 8 years of age. In Cabrera’s case, that’s not necessarily a good thing coming off of a career year.
Not sure exactly what you're trying to say
but Huff’s fine season at age 26 was followed up with an even better year at age 27. After that, it was more erratic as he bounced between .260 and .300 BABIPs from year to year. Melky Cabrera could be the same way. But we don’t need Melky Cabrera to be a four win player for the rest of the decade. We just need him to perform – at a level similar to a 26-27 year old Aubrey Huff – until Brown gets here. I see at least as much reason to think he’s capable of that as to think he’s not.
by Royce Clayton as Miguel Tejada on Nov 7, 2011 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
From Royals Review
The last one hurts.
It’s a symbolic victory for me
- GMDM bought low, sold high.
- Moving Melky paves the way for Cain who could easily be as good as Melky and significantly cheaper
- Sanchez is a high-upside, but still relatively inexpensive starting pitcher.
- We didn’t get a former Brave
- We traded with a GM who is not likely to fleece us like Friedman
by Loose Seal on Nov 7, 2011 10:43 AM PST up reply actions 10 recs
RAAAAAAAGE
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
Melky could end up having a good year with the Giants and Sanchez could continue walking people, but we’re so used to crappy deals by Sabean in our minds it was still a terrible trade.
Why do we need either?
Torres was fine. Nate is fine. Just put an actual upgrade in one of the OF spots. I would much preferred just non-tender of Sanchez if you need to get rid of the salary and sign Beltran. That would have been smart. But for some reason, Sabean thinks Torres will always be a .220 hitter, adn maybe he will, but he still got two WAR with his glove alone. If he hits .250 next year he’d have been a much better option than Melky. This move makes no sense, except for that Brain Sabean did it. It’s a Nathan?AJ redux. Yesterday I was optimistic we’d only see an Ortiz/Moss outcome. I was wrong.
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by josematan on Nov 7, 2011 11:15 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
Seems legit
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 7, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
My coworker
Just asked why I am laughing so hard.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Nov 7, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
I’m still amazed sabes picked up the phone.
by dvnasty on Nov 7, 2011 11:17 AM PST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Cabreras
I honestly thought “Isn’t Asdrubal Cabrera on the Indians?” It is impossible to underestimate Brian Sabean, even when taking into account that it is impossible to underestimate Brian Sabean.
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My slightly more reasoned take
Starting with Cabrera, there are a few things to like:
He’s probably not going to make much more than, like, 2 million dollars. That’s cool.
He has a ceiling as a 4-WAR player. Now, it’s not particularly likely to happen, but that talent is there.
He’s an average defender in a corner, probably. I hope he’s not going to be the CF, though I suppose that’s what’s going to happen.
Moving on to Sanchez:
I agree with the decision to trade him now, before he could hurt his value any more. He had no future with this org, and he was going to make 6 million dollars.
We save 4 million on Melky. That’s not a lot, but hell, maybe that’s the extra money they need for Reyes.
Also, this makes me feel fantastic about the people who I argued with about whether we should trade Sanchez for Bautista or Cory Hart. Suck it, you people.
Finally, on Verdugo:
I like him, but realistically, his potential is bad starter or pretty good lefty reliever. Not a ton of loss here.
The obvious criticism I have is that Sanchez should have been traded, but for someone else. And I do believe that. But I have no way of knowing what was available for Sanchez, or if any shortstops are available by trade for someone like Sanchez. If my only criticism is a hypothetical trade that should have been made, it’s not much of a criticism at all.
TRADE WINNER: Push. Giants get money and maybe useful outfielder. Royals get maybe useful pitcher and maybe useful future reliever.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Agree with most of this.
The “Player X should have been traded for someone else argument” seems to apply to most trades Sabean makes. Reminds me of the Tim Alderson trade for F. Sanchez when everyone thought we should have gotten more.
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA
We save 4 million on Melky. That’s not a lot, but hell, maybe that’s the extra money they need for Reyes.
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Wait we traded our 5th starter for a 4 WAR CF with no major injury issues younger than 30
and it is time to freak out?
This blog will never be happy?
I think the people with a problem view the 4 WAR as a fluke.
by Every6thDay on Nov 7, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Fair point
Sanchez + Zito in the 5 spot was all wasted money, now we are only wasting 18 mil there.
This guy is in a contract year this year. How many players play at max level for their big free agent contract. This is in line with what I liked about what the Red Sox did with guys like Jason Bay and Adrian Beltre. This is why I think Melky has a better than average shot at playing at 3-4 War level.
Whatever Crisp makes this year, add 1 mil in the Melky vs Sanchez savings, and you have your total savings. Brown is supposed to be ready in 2013… oh wait there is a spot for him (not the second year of Crisp).
Sanchez was going to be traded or non tendered. A guy with potential, fills a need, cheaper, coming off a career year going into a contract year, under 30…. I like everything there.
Okay he doesn’t walk. His power numbers are not ballpark driven (49 doubles and triples last year).
I think both players will have their best years ever next year, contract year. I see this as a win-win in the end.
by Myemail21479 on Nov 7, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
Wait we traded our 5th starter for a 4 WAR CF with no major injury issues younger than 30
In a six-year career, Melky Cabrera has a career WAR of 6.8 (according to Fangraphs) or 7.7 (according to b-r).
Evaluating a player you’re trading for on the basis of the one season that makes him look like the guy you want isn’t smart.
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actually
he’s a 5 WAR player. It’s just that the 5 WAR are over the last 4 years combined.
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by zenbitz on Nov 7, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You Tebowites — sorry, Crawfordites — get your damn wish!!
extrabaggs Andrew Baggarly
Source told me the Giants strongly considering B. Crawford at SS if they could improve lineup elsewhere. Melky is a move in that direction.
Kepp?
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Holy shit
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 7, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
this is awesome, our offensive logic is so backwards its gotten funny
by haroldandsivakumar on Nov 7, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
My guesses were Crawford and Theriot
So I guess I am ecstatic!
I've liked Panick & Craw at SS & 2B this Winter
http://sfgiants.scout.com/2/1124859.html
Now let’s see if it continues in the MLB
It won't.
Panik won’t be in the MLB and Crawford will probably suck.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I mean
You can go look at Crawford’s stats and find me some more liquid to fill up the glass if you want.
And Panik was just drafted, he’s going to San Jose.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Crawford put up .5 WAR in less than a half season as a rookie.
I think he can be a slightly below average player next year and be an average player for his career.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
It is the price I pay for loving.
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
Baggs is clearly still feeling the effects of his 6 doses of acid after the Wildcats win over Nebraska
HA!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
Ah, but, see, the problem is that they haven't really improved the lineup elsewhere.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Exactly
Where is the rest of this offense they’re getting (if this is merely a “step” toward a better offense) going to go if not at SS? How many outfield positions does Sabean think there are?
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
It's almost like there's still three more months of the offseason.
The winter meetings haven’t even happened yet.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Beltran remains on the board.
Good production and wouldn’t take the insane amount of years that Reyes would.
Cabrera CF
Sanchez 2B
Beltran LF
Posey C
Panda 3B
Huff 1B
Nate RF
Brandon SS
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
Please, at least give me a /Belt at one of those positions…
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
Sorry, went for realism – Belt will be 1B in 2013.
(book is getting good, thanks again)
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
This was pretty inevitable. K% under 15%.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
So were out of the Beltran, Coco and Grady Sizemore sweepstakes?
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- SF 49ers Football 2011-2012 = ??? Home of the 5.5 Super Bowl Champs ( Aaron Rodgers should of been a Niner)
- WHO'S GOT IT BETTER THAN US???? NOOOOOOOOOOBODYY!!!!!!!!!!!!
- A fan of the Warriors and Lakers.
It feels like this one trade has moved both Belt and Torres out of the lineup next year
and still no SS
Can't be moved out of something
you were never in…
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
A song for Brian Sabean
I see you sittin in your suite at AT&T Park
And I’m like, fuck you.
I guess the change in Neukom’s pocket just wasn’t enough
Fuck youuu.
If you were smarter, you wouldn’t’ve bartered
Now ain’t that some Schmidt (ain’t that some Schmidt)
And although I know you’re the worst of the rest
I still wish us the best
But still, fuck you.
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Nov 7, 2011 11:20 AM PST reply actions
haha
This is what I get for not working and caring about the giants.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Proud parent of Javier Lopez: southpaw, poltergeist, haunter of dreams.
by cornball on Nov 7, 2011 11:22 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
hi!
I miss this place a lot. Stupid me being an intern and having to work.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Proud parent of Javier Lopez: southpaw, poltergeist, haunter of dreams.
by cornball on Nov 7, 2011 11:51 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I’m in Chicago. Loving it but working 70-80 hours a week.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Proud parent of Javier Lopez: southpaw, poltergeist, haunter of dreams.
by cornball on Nov 8, 2011 8:59 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
"This is a street fight, and we win those." -- BRIAN SABEAN, 10/23/10
Proud owner of the saddest looking IMDb page and Twitter in the world.
by Josh from Hollywood on Nov 7, 2011 11:22 AM PST reply actions 6 recs
lol funny picture
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- SF GIants Baseball 2011 = *sigh* Home of 6 World Series Titles
- SF 49ers Football 2011-2012 = ??? Home of the 5.5 Super Bowl Champs ( Aaron Rodgers should of been a Niner)
- WHO'S GOT IT BETTER THAN US???? NOOOOOOOOOOBODYY!!!!!!!!!!!!
- A fan of the Warriors and Lakers.
Trading for a 27 year old?
Not classic Sabes.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
ahem
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/pierza.01.shtml
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Ha! Touche
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
I’m trying to decide if I want to tune in to KNBR during my lunch or not. Will it be hilariously dumb or infuriatingly stupid?
Im watching them right now doing their rumor segment. They said Gio Gonzalez might be traded
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- SF GIants Baseball 2011 = *sigh* Home of 6 World Series Titles
- SF 49ers Football 2011-2012 = ??? Home of the 5.5 Super Bowl Champs ( Aaron Rodgers should of been a Niner)
- WHO'S GOT IT BETTER THAN US???? NOOOOOOOOOOBODYY!!!!!!!!!!!!
- A fan of the Warriors and Lakers.
Infuriating.
They’ll talk about how the Giants needed to go out and improve their offense, and they did that. Great move by Sabean.
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Nov 7, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
...
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
by jctGamer on Nov 7, 2011 11:23 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
Also pitched absurdly brilliantly down the stretch and in the NLDS in 2010, but all anyone remembers from that now is that he had a couple of bad starts in the NLCS and World Series.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Put another way...
Also Huff pitched hit absurdly brilliantly down the stretch and in the NLDS in 2010, but all anyone remembers from that now is that he had a couple of hundred bad starts in the NLCS and World Series 2011.
That engraver went outside the lines.
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
this is the kind of gravestone
Brian Sabean would engrave if he was a stonecutter instead of a baseball GM.
/attempts to start meme
Brian Sabean: Sing His Praises To The Heavens!
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game that seems to have resurrected itself in my absence...
Doesnt this kind of guarantee that lincecum and cain are staying though?
we wouldnt trade away another pitcher would we?
CAIN FOR FRANCOUER
LINCECUM FOR RIOS
YOUR NEW ACE: CJ WILSON
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
Terrible Terrible trade
Setting back the org to pre-2010 philosophy.
2011: A Tejada Odyssey: 15-Day DL
Shift+A
What the…..?
I think the re-signing of Lopez and Affeldt was the writing on the wall that Dirty would be traded, but I didn’t expect this.
So we used to have multiple Sanchezes, now we have multiple Cabreras.
"The definition of insanity is startjng Orlando Cabrera over and over again and expecting different results"--Albert Einstein
LUDWICK IS NOT GOING TO GET IT
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
but but but….BATTING AVERAGE!!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 7, 2011 11:27 AM PST reply actions
OVER .300 BATTING AVERAGE
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- SF GIants Baseball 2011 = *sigh* Home of 6 World Series Titles
- SF 49ers Football 2011-2012 = ??? Home of the 5.5 Super Bowl Champs ( Aaron Rodgers should of been a Niner)
- WHO'S GOT IT BETTER THAN US???? NOOOOOOOOOOBODYY!!!!!!!!!!!!
- A fan of the Warriors and Lakers.
Melky's LD%, GB%, and FB% were right in line with career averages.
His BABiP was 33 points higher than his career norm. I don’t think he “figured it out” last year.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
this
I hate the management of this team so fucking much.
Proud adoptee of Dick Tidrow the mastermind behind Tim Lincecum, Matt Cain, Buster Posey and many more. Also known as "The Reason".
Do any of you guys ever consider....
sitting back, taking a deep breath, and pausing a couple seconds before you post to make sure what you’ve typed is reasonable, or hinged?
by Stoned Slacker on Nov 7, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
Of course not
That’s not fun.
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
Are you of the opinion that this is the first time he have heard of Melky Cabrera?
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 7, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
How is what Azmanz typed neither reasonable nor hinged?
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
joined Apr 02, 2008
You’ve been here 3 1/2 years and you have to ask that question!? Sounds pretty unhinged to me.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
But hey
Sell low, Buy High for a Center fielder who can’t play Center and is highly unlikely to repeat his past performance. That’s completely ok! I need to take a deep breath.
Proud adoptee of Dick Tidrow the mastermind behind Tim Lincecum, Matt Cain, Buster Posey and many more. Also known as "The Reason".
Also his K/BB ratio was by a pretty substantial margin the worst of his career.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Oops thought you were talking Jonathan, not Melky.
Melky has had one good year in a hitter’s park. His peak WAR befor last year was 1.7. Nate Schirholtz put up 1.4 in 362 PA last year.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
Doesn’t his 2011 BABIP appear more in line with his peripherals though?
by kingofthacove on Nov 7, 2011 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
His next best year was .309 BABiP.
I don’t think a player can be “unlucky” with BABiP for 6 years straight.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
Some of those years (such as 20.9 LD% and pretty good speed with only a .288 BABIP) appear pretty damn unlucky.
by kingofthacove on Nov 7, 2011 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
But he’s been at 20 LD% rate for 6 seasons and still has a 299 BABiP
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
PERFECT EYEBROWS NOOOOoooo
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Two best parts about this trade
1. When Dirty has a hot three months and is traded to the Yankees in July for an actual prospect.
2. The fact that our GM was out maneuvered by Dayton god damn Moore
Proud of both my adopted son, Baggs, and my ward, Ryan LOLlis.
by grape on Nov 7, 2011 11:29 AM PST via mobile reply actions
less pressure in KC
means Sanchez will regain #2 starter form that he had in 2010.
2011: A Tejada Odyssey: 15-Day DL
36.7% O-swing % last year for Melky
He’s aggressive…!
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
It seems destined
that guys named Coco Crisp and Melky should be united. Is there another outfielder out there with a name that conjures up Part of This Complete Breakfast?
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 7, 2011 11:31 AM PST reply actions
It's like when Crisp was playing in the same outfield as Milton Bradley.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I was just about to mention this.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Given that the Giants are going to non-Tender or trade Kepp,
the unstoppable bat has been passed.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
One of my favorite Giants (srsly, big-time man-crush) for a guy I always laugh at when people try to say he's good.
I am gonna vomit.
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
SABEAN...THERE IS ONLY ONE GOOD CABRERA, AND THIS ISN'T HIM EITHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
by bigboneded on Nov 7, 2011 11:32 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
@hankschulman
Henry Schulman
If Melky
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Is that right?
hankschulman Henry Schulman
If Melky’s ‘12 numbers decline by 20 percent he’d still be a good addition to the lineup.
9 minutes ago
It's cute that Schulman is trying to sound smart by talking about percentages.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 7, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
Isn't 20% of a .300 average 60 points?
Meaning, if Cabrera hits .240 is a good addition to the lineup? What?!
by mrs. owlcroft on Nov 7, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
An improvement over our most recent Cabrera, yes...
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
Did anyone else think for a second, omg the Giants got Miguel Cabrera. And then was like, how did we only give up J. Sanchez for him? And since when did Miguel Cabrera play on the Royals. Oh… shit.
The one thing I really don’t like about this trade, aside from everything, is that it’s NOVEMBER 7th. Could Sabes work the phones for another month to try and see if he can get something better for Dirty? Melky wasn’t going anywhere.
"The definition of insanity is startjng Orlando Cabrera over and over again and expecting different results"--Albert Einstein
AGGRESSIVE!!!!
Works as well in the front office as it does at bat.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
One thing that seems to be true about incompetent luddite GMs is
that they seem to be so uncomfortable with uncertainty that they’d rather settle for certain mediocrity now than hold out for potentially better (but uncertain) outcomes in the future.
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
Edgar Renteria signing says "Hi"
The best moves are the ones that are made before the offseason market is established.
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My adopted son, Brandon Crawford. Dude hits grand slams and plays defense.
by josematan on Nov 7, 2011 11:39 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
2 HR!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
New thread.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
farewell, sweet prince
You did John The Count Montefusco proud.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
by jcb9 on Nov 7, 2011 11:36 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
There's that one out that Uribe lost.
My adopted son, Brandon Crawford. Dude hits grand slams and plays defense.
If he hits .270 is it a steal?
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- SF GIants Baseball 2011 = *sigh* Home of 6 World Series Titles
- SF 49ers Football 2011-2012 = ??? Home of the 5.5 Super Bowl Champs ( Aaron Rodgers should of been a Niner)
- WHO'S GOT IT BETTER THAN US???? NOOOOOOOOOOBODYY!!!!!!!!!!!!
- A fan of the Warriors and Lakers.
If he goes 20/20 again, it's a steal.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Nov 7, 2011 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
ARGH
PLEASE TELL ME NEXT HOW MANY RBIS HE MUST HAVE TO MAKE IT A GOOD DEAL
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Nice...genius. How about you tell us what would make Melky a steal? Him spelling his name in all caps?
If we get a leadoff guy that can go 20/20, I think that’s an upgrade. Obviously it’s not without faults because Zito is our 5th starter now but at the very least, we acquire a serviceable CF without blocking Gary Brown. And if Melky produces, we can extend him and move him to LF if need be.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Nov 7, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
There is so, so, so much more to being a good offensive player than dingers and steals. Namely, how often you get on base.
And I don’t want someone who’s maybe barely better than league average betting first in the lineup.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
But 20-20 is such a nice looking numerical phrase.
It just rolls off my tongue.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 7, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
There's more than one way to look at this.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Nov 7, 2011 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
That would imply that he's done it before.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 7, 2011 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
This Is a deal to Love
Sanchez clearly doesn’t know how to win anymore. I could handle him in the rotation if he knew how to pitch to the score, or maybe cut down on the walks, but he doesn’t have any no-hitter mojo left. This was a good time to cut him lose, before we’d have to settle for just minor league players. Plus, Cabrera clearly is developing into a hitter with real pop in his bat, and I saw he has, like, 20 steals so he’s probably fast enough for center. In one move Sabean fixes the logjam in the rotation and provides a legit leadoff guy with pop for CF. Is there anything this guy can’t do?
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
o_O
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 7, 2011 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
now if he signs crisp
And Cabrera is a starting corner OF. I reserve the right to burn this motherfucker down
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
by DFARowand on Nov 7, 2011 11:41 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Remember all the players people wouldn't trade Sanchez for?
yeah that was fun. melky Fing cabrera.
2011: A Tejada Odyssey: 15-Day DL
Hey Gays
Sabean will feel like getting Melky for CF and the return of Buster P. Baby and F. Sanchez will be enough of an offensive upgrade to not re-sign Beltran (Juggernate in right) and start Crawford at SS.
You fuckers just wait and see.
by ThePasswordisWillieMcgee on Nov 7, 2011 12:20 PM PST reply actions
The worst part about this trade
Is if Cabrera’s defense is so bad we have to hope Nate is our starting RF. All the rosterbators hoping for a Beltran, Cabrera, Nate outfield are wishing for another year of 2011 offense.
No one here gets out alive.
It's times like these
when I’m glad we won the world series. Because who cares how stupid Sabean is? We won a world series!!
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, WORLD CHAMPION SAN FRANCISCO GIANT
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
11/1/10
classic Savvy Sabes blunder
Overpay for free-swinging, low-OBP, coming-off-a-career-year hacker.
Sabean just loves the Rowand-types. Now Torres and his amazing defense has nowhere to play, Ross is gone, hopefully Beltran gets resigned. Melky better have “figured it out.”
Goodbye Dirty. I’m sorry you were sold at your all-time low, but that’s to be expected when your GM doesn’t understand basic market principles. Thanks for the only SF no-hitter I’ve ever seen, your defeat of Latos in Game 162, and Game 3 of the NLDS.
Well played, Dayton.
all will be forgiven (again)
when Melky Cabrera is left off the 2015 post season roster and TGWTWSA. Cabrera is cut in 2016 with $17M remaining on his contract he signed in the 2012 off season.
is what Brian Sabean would have made if he were a instead of a MLB GM
Just because it worked out..
.. doesn’t mean it was the right move.
People want to give Sabean creditfor winning a World Series, but really.. he addressed the league’s worst offense in 2009 by adding to .250 hitters (Huff and DeRosa) and got amazing production from one of them.. while the rest of us got to hear about Dragon Software. Addressing the rest of the needs by picking up castoffs and hoping for your rookie catcher to be an MVP candidate was still a terrible plan that somehow, luckily, worked out.
In last year’s Beltran sweepstakes, Sabean caved to a team that had little to no leverage giving up the highest rated prospect that was traded, and getting the shortest contract back in return. Philly and Atlanta happily pounced on the Astros filling current and future needs while giving up less valuable prospects.
This trade now looks like an attempt to fill in the easiest slot that they could have filled with cash, and dumping the (only) expensive trade chip that we had. I can only hope that this deal has depleted the pitching surplus to the point that Cain for Cruz won’t happen. (This trade came to mind last week and scared me at how easily I could see the Giants going for it, and how angry I would be if it happened).
I hope someone shoves this back in my face next year, but again.. just because it works out…
by Ice Watter In His Veins! on Nov 7, 2011 1:33 PM PST reply actions
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