AM Overflow Thread: John Shea says Giants need to sign Beltran
Makes pretty good sense. Having two switch hitters with pop in the heart of the lineup is super cool.
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Interesting that he mentioned AL teams bidding things up because he could DH
Isn’t the word that Beltran doesn’t want to DH?
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
I think the real word is that Beltran wants money.
I doubt he’d be unwilling to DH if he was paid more.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
He's made over $150M in his career and is in his mid-30s
I’m thinking “a chance to win a WS” has to figure into his decision process
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Sure
But he’s already said he doesn’t think the Giants are good enough with just him – he thinks they need Reyes (or a different leadoff type guy).
I agree that WS considerations would be in play too – probably even more than whether he’d DH or not.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
The offense with Beltran and without Reyes
…would still be better than 2010.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Probably.
But good enough? Doubtful.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Good enough for what?
Good enough to have the best offense in the league? Probably not.
But good enough to win the division and give adequate support to another pitching dependent run through the playoffs? I think so.
by BestHyperboleEver on Nov 3, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Sidenote:
I would like to see Reyes become a GIant as well. I just don’t think their fate is sealed if he doesn’t.
by BestHyperboleEver on Nov 3, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I disagree
The Giants failed to win the division in 09 and 11, when the put up a team wRC+ of 83 in each year. In 2010, when they did win the division, they managed a team wRC+ of 95, or just 5% below league average.
Posey’s a good player, sure. But Sanchez can’t really be counted on to be as good as he’s been in the past, as injuries and another year of aging take their toll. Beltran is good, yes, but we had him for half a season last year hitting phenomenally, so the improvement we’d see from a full season of him isn’t that massive.
Basically, relative to league average, the Giants need to boost their offense by a full 10 points of wRC+. I don’t see Just Posey and Beltran being able to do that. And that’s assuming that no pitchers get hurt.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Incorrect
The league average wRC+ for the NL in 2010 was 94 (and in any event were 6th in the NL by team for that value).
Excuse me
The fact remains that the Giants need to get their wRC+ up by doubt digits, it seems, in order to make the playoffs. I don’t see them doing that with just Beltran and returning players.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Well
Beltran is good, yes, but we had him for half a season last year hitting phenomenally….
44 games (wrist injury took away ~20?). A moot point of course, because they aren’t re-signing Beltran. Of course, all of this is moot because they aren’t signing Reyes, either.
I would guess Beltran is a very real possibility
Provided they bidding doesn’t get crazy (over $13M/year and over 4 years), I think there’s about a 50/50 shot: He did well here and the same arguments that the team saw in giving up Wheeler still apply.
I think this will be like F Sanchez, Schmidt and now Lopez, where Sabean wants to keep the guy he loved enough to trade for.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
yes for future reference
NL wRC+ (like OPS+) includes pitcher’s batting so average is <100.
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Factor in either a better Huff or Huff on a shorter leash with a more experienced Belt behind him. Factor in either a better Torres or someone else in CF. Almost anything they put at SS will be better than what was there in 2011. The big moves are important, but even minor improvements spread across each position will make a huge difference, and considering how many things went wrong in 2011, that’s not an unreasonable expectation.
Keep in mind that the team you think needs to improve so much from their 83 wRC+ is in large part the same one that managed that 95 wRC+.
by Monkeyking42 on Nov 3, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Also, another way to look at it is that they only missed the playoffs by 4 games this year. Simply having Posey the whole year would have been, what, an extra 2 wins at a minimum?
by Monkeyking42 on Nov 3, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I think to get back to the mid 90s they need
1) full season of posey
2) full season of Beltran-equivalent OF
3) much less of the bad huff (i.e., either a better Huff, or Belt at 1B) – they won’t get Fielder/Pujols
4) league average SS (like 94 wRC+)
Alternatvely, they could get Reyes at SS and a 110 wRC+ OF. Note that if they do play 150 games of either Coco Crisp or Yuniesky Betancourt they will be extremely hardpressed to get up to league average.
I will do more analysis when the Zips come out for the Giants in a week or two.
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If the broader point is that the Giants need a better offense, that much is certainly true
As to whether Carlos Beltran in particular is the player who best fits their needs, I would disagree – I, of course, think it’s Reyes. Even relative to position, our weakest offensive output last year came from shortstop, not the outfield corners.
If we acquire no one, our SS, LF, and RF would likely be Crawford, Belt, and Schierholtz.
The difference between Beltran and Schierholtz (who would most likely be benched for Beltran) is large, to be sure.
But the difference between Reyes and Crawford is a gaping chasm of fire and death.
The Giants need to upgrade the offense, yes. But if there was one player (non-Pujols division) who could have the most impact on the improvement of that offense, it’d be Reyes, not Beltran. Because who he’d be replacing matters.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
They should sign Beltran and Reyes
Both of them. BOTH!
SIGN THEM BOTH!!
both
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 3, 2011 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
This would be ideal, yes
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
A lineup of
Reyes SS
Sanchez 2B (BECAUSE HE HAS TO BAT SECOND)
Sandoval 3B
Posey C
Beltran RF
Belt LF
Huff 1B
Torres CF
Makes me rather happy.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
it occurs to me that Freddy Sanchez would be a fantastic 8th place hitter
Contact hitter, fouls off like a million pitches per AB, gets on base at a pretty good clip cause of BA.
It’ll never happen of course, but man.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 3, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
In the NL, batting 8th gives you a nice superficial boost to OBP.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I want to date Scarlett Johannsen and Karen Gillian and I realize the Giants signing either Beltran or Reyes is way more doable than me dating either Scarlett or Karen, the chances of them signing Reyes and Beltran are equally possible as me dating both actresses. Which is why I don’t sit around dreaming either will happen (although it would be awesome if they did).
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 3, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
So you only sit around dreaming about realistic things?
Those are some boring ass dreams, man.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Like yours are so great.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 3, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I might dream about them but I don’t get worked up about it possibly happening and I won’t curse Sabean for my inability to date Karen Gillian as if it would have happened if it weren’t for him
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 3, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
It's not Sabeans fault
It’s the owners.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Thus proving my point.
1)We all know the FO won’t throw down for the money
2)The only team that can afford to throw huge contracts around like candy is the Yankees. We’re not the Yankees and the assumption that we can spend like them is unrealistic (or at least it is since nobody really knows how much they can)
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 3, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
1) No we don’t
2) This argument makes no sense. Lots of teams have given out large contracts.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Lots of teams have given out two contracts, but rarely to two players at the same time. While also trying to give out big contracts to two of their very own players. And still trying to pay off two other big contracts.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 3, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Didn't the Sox hand out big contracts to AGon and Crawrford last year?
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Crawford first, then AGon a wee bit later as some sort of strange dance around the luxury tax….since they didn’t want to be buying fried chicken and beer for every other team in the league.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 3, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
If Larry Baer can figure out a way of us getting married, I will never criticize the Giants Front Office ever again. Also, she looks way better in mini-skirts
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 3, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
In other news, I saw Judas Priest last week.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 3, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Karen on Craig Ferguson (ends with Scottish mouth organ duet!)
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
But...
that will make my beer more expensive. And I like cheap beer. So you can see the quandary we’re in here.
Boo
by LosGigantesTodoElTiempo on Nov 3, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd rather watch a good team sober than a bad one drunk.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
THIS
Especially since I watch 95%+ games at home, I want a good team (and I can get drunk cheap if needed)
That would be so awesome.
Even if the Giants paid them both ridiculous contracts I wonder if it would pay off in attendance, concessions, etc… With all of the sellouts this season next season would be almost guaranteed to sellout every game.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Reyes, 6 years, 100 million
Beltran, 4 years, 45 million.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Are those what you think they’ll get? They don’t seem ridiculous to me.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
They're what I'd hope to get them for.
Might have to go a bit higher for Reyes, but I think the Beltran number is about right.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I don't think it would
They drew 3.5 million last season. You’d need to draw another 500,000 fans to cover Reyes at $15M. There weren’t that many empty seats to sell.
The only way is pays off is in potential post-season revenue and maybe some add’l merchandise revenue
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
These debates always seem silly to me
Individual player transactions likely don’t have almost any effect on attendence.
What’s clear to me is that, at least in San Francisco, winning brings fans. Giants would win more games with Reyes. I think if they stink next year, that sellout streak ends before the all star break.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
If the Giants were to sign both of those players I’ll bet ticket sales would go up 5 minutes after it happened (assuming they are available). Combine that with the winning that would most likely happen and you have sellouts all season.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Yea, in May and June the sellout streak is always going to be toughest
And with a 3rd place team losing 0-1 games and 2-1 games… good freaking luck.
Thanks.
Admittedly, I’m pretty ignorant about attendance revenue.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
From what I remember, it’s not necessarily the ticket revenue that brings in the bucks, but the beer and concession stand bucks. Thus the $9 beer.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 3, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
And also why bigger attendance brings in more money because there’s more people to buy beer
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 3, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought concession rights are sold to vendors
and the team just gets a cut
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Step 1: have the hypnotist who was helping the Giants stop chewing tobacco convince Zito to retire.
Step 2: Beltran, Reyes, and fuck it see if Sizemore’s got anything in the tank.
Step 3: Playoffs, motherfuckers.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 3, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Sizemore on an incentive contract works for me.
But you know Sabes will throw piles of cash at him to play for 3 years.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Nov 3, 2011 9:33 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The problem with that
Is that literally every team in baseball will be offering Sizemore a one year deal with lots of incentives.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I know.
That’s why I feel that Sabes will overpay just to get him.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Nov 3, 2011 10:07 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I am so ashamed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM2hye3050&feature=playerembedded
WTF Guys :(
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Is that like flushing the toilet in New Zealand?
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 3, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
O_O
i totally forgot about that.
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
WELL I HOPE YOU AT LEAST LIT A MATCH!!!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 3, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
No no I was in the airplane restroom masturbating BECAUSE APPARENTLY YOU CAN’T DO THAT IN YOUR SEAT WITH AN IPAD IN YOUR LAP
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A blanket (or, if need be, a coat) is more traditional.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 3, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
But he was sitting next to Erin Andrews!
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I'd rub something for this fan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Z_efXDrLZ80
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Technology really has killed the local, artisanal spank bank hasn’t it?
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 3, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I think Beltran should be their number one target. Anyone better would be cost prohibitive. As for Reyes, although he better fits a position of need, the Giants need a middle of the order bat more than they need a leadoff hitter.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
by rxmeister on Nov 3, 2011 9:51 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Reyes is an unknown
Beltran is cheaper long term, a known commodity, and appeared to me rubbed off pretty good on Panda. That is the type of guy, leader, I want on my team.
But they need a SS more than they need an OF.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
What they need is a hitter.
It doesn’t have to come from SS position. I’d rather it not, if great defense isn’t also a part of it.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Beltran is a rare free agent available for the Giants
The FO is clear in its MO : Don’t sign long term deals to free agents. Rely on the farm system to produce players you can control for 6 years.
So forget Reyes. Forget Fielder. Forget any player that is going to require a 6 year commitment to sign. Not happening. And, honestly, for the better imo.
Beltran is an impact bat that requires a 3 year commitment max hopefully. That fits the Giants perfectly. They absolutely need to sign him because there simply isn’t many impact bat that is willing to sign short term deals.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Can I get in this line?
“It’s written in the staars…”
Seriously, with the new FO (seeming) policy of no more 5-7 year debacle contacts…and having traded a prized prospect to get him initially, it would seem that Beltran to the Giants is fated.
HOWEVER – how many other FOs might be thinking similarly, since those big shiny deals to Werth and Crawford don’t look so hot right now. (Yes, I’m aware they are both better players than they played last year…but they are currently starting in “Don’t Go Over 6 year deal” commercials in the minds of FOs everywhere.)
Beltran is an impact bat that requires a 3 year commitment max hopefully. That fits the Giants perfectly. They absolutely need to sign him because there simply isn’t many impact bat that is willing to sign short term deals.
This is perfect. And I’d be fine with a 3 year overpay as opposed to a 6 or 7 year gamble.
(not that it’s my money)
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 3, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
There's two of us now
#occupycarlosbeltran
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Will Carlos
#occupyleftfield ?
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 3, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree, but disagree
If they were the same price and risk, I’d prefer Reyes, but I think the money and years for Reyes will put him out of reach
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Both are injury risk
One obviously older than the other but
Would you rather have 2 Huff contracts on a player or 1 Zito contract?
I wonder who'll be on base for these middle of the order guys?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Buster Posey and Brandon Belt
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
While I would love another middle of the order bat.
I actually feel like a Posey, Panda, Huff/Belt 3-5 could get it done with decent OBP guys in front of them.
That said, since I think Reyes is a pipe dream and Rollins isn’t an OBP guy, I’m becoming a bigger and bigger fan of Beltran + Carroll.
by BestHyperboleEver on Nov 3, 2011 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
While I know Sanchez would be in the 2 slot
A top 5 of:
Carroll
Belt
Beltran
Posey
Sandoval
feels pretty good to me.
by BestHyperboleEver on Nov 3, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Ashkon is a big fraud
He was recording a shitty podcast promoting his awful viral video parody while watching the World Series game last year. Also got Freddy Sanchez confused with Jonathan Sanchez. NOT A TRUE FAN.
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
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On the other hand
He knew the sleeve bit for “Will the Thrill” and knew what McC was when we all met him at one of our meet ups
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Uh oh, he might be reading. I’M SORRY ASHKON, YOU ARE AWESOME.
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
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by Murray, Present on Nov 3, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Just got to Boise, Idaho
1% of the plane sat in 100% of the exit row.
#occupyexitrow
#iamthe1%
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
You deserved that extra leg room. You worked for it.
by fishmicmuffin on Nov 3, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Did the sign on the bathroom door say "Occupied"?
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Woohoo Boise!
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city of trees
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
lol “bwas”
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One of the most interesting things I’ve learned about Boise is that most people people mispronounce it “BOY-zee” when it should be “BOY-see.”
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
that is not very interesting.
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
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by Murray, Present on Nov 3, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I pronounce it boy-ZEE. In a loud and cartoonishly rural fashion.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 3, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
O-Boise is O-Boisterous
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 3, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
/tears
http://twitter.com/#!/SFGiants/status/132140823520362497/photo/1
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
i’m coming.
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
Come together
Right now
Over me
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Rate this offseason
Beltran 3/36
Coco 2/18.5
Carrol 2/5
Lineup
Coco CF
Beltran RF
Posey C
Sandoval 3B
Belt 1B
Sanchez 2B
Nate LF
Carrol SS
P
If Huff has the dead cat bounce year- I would be okay to push Nate off to defensive sub, double switch PH guy he was in 2010 (and was awesome at)
I'd give it a B
The Coco acquisition is useless and a waste of money when you have a guy who’s basically as good as Crisp in Torres and a top prospect waiting for that position.
Getting Beltran for that amount would be a very good move.
And I like Carroll, and I think that’d be a good deal for him.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Crisp vs. Torres
I agree that they’re very similar players, but I think Torres is a bigger question mark because his career has been so all over the place and because of the “issues” he had last season.
Coco is two years younger and a pretty consistent 2-win player.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Coco is two years younger
I’m surprised this is the first I’ve heard of this around here.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 3, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Coco is younger, but also has a very significan injury history
And over the past thee years, Torres has been the vastly superior player.
And, holy hell.
2011 WAR
Crisp: 2.2
Torres: 2.1
That’s 2011! Torres’ down year!
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Torres is the better defender and baserunner, and he might be just as good on offense. I’ll take Torres.
Ask me about my blog.
Might be, yes, but it’s worth pointing out that over their respective careers and in 2011, Crisp has been the far better hitter.
Torres should be brought back, but they’ll at least need a plan B. Thing is, most of the plan Bs available (Crisp, DeJesus, Ross, Pagan, Sizemore) will likely turn into Bochy’s plan A, and Torres will become a 4th outfielder. As long as he gets a chance to play, I’m fine with this.
by Monkeyking42 on Nov 3, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I think it comes down to how much of a better hitter you think Crisp is over Torres. Is it 10%? 15%? And if you do think he’s better, how much are you willing to spend. It seems like a bad move to me.
Crisp career wRC+ = 98
Torres career wRC+ = 98
I don’t think he’s been “far better”. In essence, if the Giants pay for Crisp, they are paying to downgrade the defense and baserunning without really addressing offense. That’s a bad move.
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What makes you say Torres is the better baserunner? Over the last three years, Crisp is 94-and-14 as a base stealer.
Yeah. I remember Schulman pointing out on Twitter at the end of the season that Torres looked slower.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 3, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah and Torres is 45-13 during that same period
So Crisp is twice as good at stealing bases. How does Torres make up for that? Is he twice as good at taking extra bases?
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Baserunning is a lot more than just steals
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Your sarcasm is precious, but if you knew that you could have just looked up the numbers yourself.
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OK, so what makes you think Torres is the better baserunner based on the one year experimental stats?
It's 3 years and where are you getting experimental?
And I guess instead of that we’ll instead go off of, “Crisp is better cause I think so”? I’ll take the actual measurements over someone just claiming something.
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It was added into fWAR this year
It requires quite a bit of regression, particularly after only 3 years.
And, you do know how much stolen bases factor into UBR, right?
I was just arguing that citing steals as a measure for baserunning was faulty
At the very least they’re about even, with evidence supporting Torres actually being better.
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Evidence?
A supposed 1.8 run difference over 3 years where both were in varying bouts of healthiness, playtime and teams (because UBR is highly team dependent)?
And by all accounts
Crisp is the better basestealer. Recently, in any event.
That’s … a table. I assume you want me to sort by Base Running Runs? Do I need to list the reasons why that’s inadequate?
Yes
I’d love to hear why it’s inadequate to you just listing SB/CS.
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I’m not actually arguing that Crisp is the better baserunner. I have no idea if he is or not. But xanthan seemed pretty sure that Torres is better, and xanthan usually knows what he’s talking about, so I’d like to know why he thinks that — since the most obvious measurement of baserunning skill says the opposite.
Anyway, baserunning runs:
1. isn’t park adjusted, and that’s a big deal when it comes to AT&T
2. uses very small samples — remember, it uses the same principles as UZR but with even smaller samples
3. doesn’t include stolen bases & caught stealing.
BP's include basestealing
And have them basically even over the last three years.
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"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
You've said that twice now. Define "baserunning"
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
I was happy to ignore a decade of minor league sucktitude when Torres seemed like a whole new player. I’m not so sure now.
by Monkeyking42 on Nov 3, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
There’s also the injury concern with Torres. Are we going with Justin Christian as the backup CF? They’ll need to bring someone in for that role, and, right or wrong, there’s a good chance that person takes over everyday CF. I’m not going to make a stink out of that.
I like Torres and hope he gets a chance to prove himself again (and in Bochy’s defense, he’s never been shy about playing Torres as long as Torres hits), but as a 4th outfielder he’d still get starts, and he’d surely get used a lot as a pinch runner and defensive replacement. It’s not like his 2.1 WAR gets erased and replaced by Crisp’s 2.2.
At the price quoted above, do not want. But for the Sabean special of 12m over 2 years, Crisp would be fine. If he gets a better offer, there are other guys around that level who will be fine too.
by Monkeyking42 on Nov 3, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Ross should be the 4th outfielder. He can play all positions and offers good insurance in case someone gets injured.
A primary center fielder will still be needed.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 3, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Sabean’s response “Who did Torres go to WAR with? I need a guy with an unstoppable bat”
by Myemail21479 on Nov 3, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Why would you bat Crisp 1st and Carroll 8th?
When Carroll is a better OBP guy.
And yes, save that Crisp money and just put Torres out there. He would be a perfectly acceptable hitter low in the line-up.
by BestHyperboleEver on Nov 3, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
because vroom
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That is what Bochy would do
Nevermind he would not bat Beltran 2nd…
by Myemail21479 on Nov 3, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
So I was trying to sleep last night and the calculations re: how we can buy the Dodgers kept spinning in my head.
If EVERYBODY that attended a Giants game at AT&T Park last season paid $300 FOR EACH GAME THEY ATTENDED, and we set up a PayPal account for Grant to be the llama leader representative, we could make the $1 Billion bid.
I’ll start with my $3000.
I’m sure my Dad will be cool with a $22500 contribution.
And, we’re on our way.
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
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Job 1:14-15
One-percenter!
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
#occupychavezravine
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Job 1:14-15
Who's your daddy?
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Or you could take that 3k and spend it on LSD
You could own the dodgers for about 10 years in your head
by Myemail21479 on Nov 3, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Someone just won their office pool, somewhere
Honestly, how long did everyone think that was going to take?
by Myemail21479 on Nov 3, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
17
Lots of kids have sex at that age. Being a male superstar with legions of girl followers.. you don’t think he is screwing girls like Wilt Chamberlain in his heyday?
by Myemail21479 on Nov 3, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I can't wait to see how this turns out
If she is wrong, she is a liar
If she is right, she goes to jail!
WIN-WIN BABY!
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Maybe she thinks...
Perhaps she thinks the patrimony/child support will be well worth a few years in prison.
by BestHyperboleEver on Nov 3, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Because I was interested in the "who was a good old player" discussion in the previous thread
What should one consider the approximate age when a player should be thought of as “old”? I know it’s different for every player, but if I wanted to look up “good, old hitters” what should I use as the cutoff age for “old”?
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
I'd say 40 is defintely "old" by baseball standards
Might want to go to 37 or 38 if you want to be more liberal with the word "old
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Heck, I think 40 is old even for the general public.
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Job 1:14-15
"Mature"
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
"Veteran"
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
"professional"
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Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
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Job 1:14-15
"Classic"
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'me'
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 3, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
GILF?
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
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Job 1:14-15
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
I’m 35 and I’m a fucking teenager
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I’m just funnin’. /huggles
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
c’mere, boy. make an old man happy.
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Best Sputnik II anniversary ever.
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From FanGraphs
Can The Giants Improve By Trading Tim Linecum?
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/can-the-giants-improve-by-trading-tim-linecum/
Snippets:
They owe around $82 million to just eight contracted players for 2012 – Barry Zito, Matt Cain, Aaron Rowand, Aubrey Huff, Brian Wilson, Freddy Sanchez, Javier Lopez, and Jeremy Affeldt – and are looking another $30 to $35 million in payouts in arbitration if they bring back most of the guys who they should probably want to return. Without a significant addition, their payroll looks to be about $115 million, giving them about $10 million to spend to get to the expected $125 million mark.
Even if Lincecum is a +6 win pitcher going forward, the Giants have historically been able to coax +1 to +2 win seasons out of run-of-the-mill arms, and it’s been going on long enough to no longer just be considered a coincidence./blockquote>
Interesting.
Ask me about my blog.
It depends on what is coming back
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It depends on NO FUCKIN WAY.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
by bgunn on Nov 3, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Yea no way
Aces cost 3x more in free agency. I don’t think Giants win the WS without him.
by Myemail21479 on Nov 3, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I’d rather trade Timmy than Cain. #TeamMatty
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Why?
I have expressed some of my reservations about Timmy’s long-term future…
His last two years are not nearly as good as his 2007/2008 years (about 60% as good)…still excellent but is he a $20-25 million guy for the next 5 years? Maybe.
Also, if you can get a stud SS and OF in return…I would do it. (i.e. Choo and the good Cabrera from Cleveland)
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I’m an irrational fanboy—not a wannabe GM.
/Is_shown_the_door
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
/holds door open, follows you out
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 3, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
That would be against the Geneva Convention
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 3, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
his last two years?
you make it sound like he has been around for a decades. the guy is 27 and only had four full years. and you think he is 60% of those first two years?
He still is near the top of stats in several categories. but you thrown him under the bus?
Ill throw the batters under first. 11 games with no support. Heck I will even drive the bus
are you nuts?
by orange velvet on Nov 3, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Can the Giants Improve with a Spellcheck?!
All right, that was cheap. Citing Vogelsong as an example of how the Giants and AT&T make any generic right hander better though…
That seems like a descendent of Cameron’s notorious “Bumgarner’s not that good because Vogelsong is having a good season” post. I still don’t get it.
And, that’s where the real rub for the Giants comes in. They play in AT&T Park, a place that can make any generic right-hander look fantastic. Whether it’s park effects, the influence of Dave Righetti, or some magical being hanging out in the air in San Francisco, the Giants have a long history of being able to turn mediocre pitchers into home run preventing machines, and in turn, get far better performance out of them than you’d expect.
Dave Cameron’s analytical prowess sure does take a hike when Los Gigantes starts getting discussed. Between Bumgarner, Raggs magic and now this…
You are not just the sum of its parts
You can’t trade your heart for 3 livers and a kidney, even if 3 livers and a kidney are probably worth more than a heart.
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Well what if the Giants are without a kidney or a liver and have three hearts?
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
They should trade for two more hearts and have a straight.
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
flush
but well done nontheless
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
err yeah
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Giants have historically been able to coax +1 to +2 win seasons out of run-of-the-mill arms
because historically, they had Bonds.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
How did Bonds make pitchers better?
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
You can get away with Woody & Ortiz & Estes & Gardner when you have Bonds & Kent in the middle of the order.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
But that wouldn't affect the pitchers' WAR
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
They knew they had to buckle down.
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"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
Only small market teams trade franchise players
Giants should resign
Timmy
Cain
MadBum
Posey
Panda
Everyone else is tradible. Do you think the Padres are happy with what they got for Gonzalez?
by Myemail21479 on Nov 3, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I think Sabean should resign.
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I would be happier if Zito resigned
But the top 5 should *re-sign. Sorry for the confusion.
by Myemail21479 on Nov 3, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
everyone else
is worthless… so you wouldn’t get anything for them.
Brian Sabean: Sing His Praises To The Heavens!
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An interesting idea
It would hurt though, and I’m not really interested in Montero for a variety of reasons.
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Probably
If they do it right, of course they can. If you could get 2-3 top prospects for Tim and then spend the money you’re saving on, say, some dreadlocked shortstop, you could improve the farm system and keep the major league team similarly competitive while spending the same or less money (at least in 2012.)
As ever, of course I’m opposed to dumb trades. But Lincecum shouldn’t be untouchable. No one should be.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I think I’m going to have to pour one out, Homey style, for GP once Jose Reyes signs elsewhere.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 3, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
This happened with Jayson last offseason
Mock Werth all you want, people, but if we’d signed him like I wanted we’d still have Wheeler.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
mock mock mock mock mock mock
/lays egg
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Well.
Wheeler and an 32-year-old RFer who put up a 2.5 WAR in the first year of a 7/126MM contract.
by BestHyperboleEver on Nov 3, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Wheeler and an 32-year-old RFer who put up a 2.5 WAR in the first year of a 7/126MM contract.
Man…we’d have to be drinking triples to be seeing double on two 7/126MM contracts.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 3, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Was there a rule change I don't know about that allows the Giants to play all 162 games at home?
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 3, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
If the Mariners can make this trade:
Trade RHP Michael Pineda, RHP Brandon League, OF Greg Halman, 3B Chone Figgins (with Seattle absorbing $16 of remaining $17 million on Figgins’ contract), and SS Carlos Triunfel to Cincinnati for 1B Joey Votto and C Yasmani Grandal.
I can only imagine the bounty we’d get for Lincecum. Let the pipe dreams begin!
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Pineda is likely worth more than Lincecum
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
While that may be true in principal, history would seem to indicate GMs won’t pay as big a premium in trade for a guy with limited major league experience. They will for a guy with a big track record of success, even if he’s already getting paid for it.
If one were shopping Pineda and Lincecum around to all the front offices in the league, who do you think would draw better offers?
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Pineda
Cheaper, more years of control.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
Perhaps I should put it another way. Would Lincecum fetch a significantly better offer than a Rios caliber player now? Because Pineda’s first year is comparable to Lincecum’s (although Pineda’s was distinctly better), and that’s all we know was offered for Lincecum. My question isn’t if you would pay more for Pineda, it’s if most GMs would. The evidence doesn’t seem to point that way, as far as I can tell.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
I've said it before: If I ran the Giants,
Lincecum wouldn’t be untouchable, but it would take such a huge overpay (/avoids “huge package”) that no team would do the deal.
After hearing Baer say they want Timmy to be a Giant for life, I’m guessing the team is in this line behind me
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Huge package!!!
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/grabs crotch
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 3, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL Dodgers
And we sometimes think we have a drunk at the wheel.
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"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
goodbye James Loney
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Boras
…and perhaps the Lozano-for-Boras transaction- knowing Boras likes to take his time in negotiations – could accelerate the process
I wonder if ownership told Sabean that they wouldn’t work with Boras. I see people mentioning Sabean having a problem with Boras, but Sabean can’t allow for personal feelings to get in the way of his job. Ownership has been burned by Boras in the past, with deals and being used to drive up the price of players in negotiations with other teams.
I meant where big money is involved. Beltran had a no-trade clause, and had a preference for where he wanted to go. He pretty much projected his eventual move to the Giants. The Mets also had a big say on where he went.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 3, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2011/11/3/2535792/introducing-coco-crisp-future-giant
BAM!
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
1 year / 4M deal for Chien-Ming Wang
- free agent off the board~ (Nationals)
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
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