Angel Villalona and the 40-man roster
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 23, 2011 9:30 AM PST
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PrintI'm not good with serious. Diseases, hunger, war, pestilence … not good with it. Not good explaining it, not good writing about it. The whole reason I've written over a million words about baseball over the last eight years or so is because it doesn't mean anything. That's what makes it one of my favorite things in the world.
I can go all George Will when the moment strikes -- because baseball really is the pastoral consciousness of a country mind that still marvels at the scope of the city experience, or some crap -- but the individual results of a baseball season are frivolous nonsense, and they're what help me deal with the stuff that isn't frivolous nonsense.
Or, to dumb it down, I'm looking at an unopened medical bill right now. Don't want to open it because I don't think I'll like what's inside. But then I lean back and think of Matt Kemp in a room with a "CONGRATULATIONS MVP" banner, slumped in a folding chair, and tooting a party favor ironically with every exhale. Now I feel better! That's what baseball does for me.
This is why this was the worst site in the world if you wanted to get a Giants fan's perspective on steroids and BALCO. So, so serious, that stuff. No thanks. And this comes up now because of Angel Villalona. A year ago, he was filed away in the serious zone. He certainly didn't have anything to do with the baseball stuff that keeps me away from the serious zone. Now he's back on the 40-man roster, and because he's still young -- Brett Pill has concert t-shirts older than Villalona -- there's a significant chance he'll be in the majors at some point, with all sorts of serious dust following him everywhere.
And now that the intro is over, we can admit that this is a post about a first-world white dude wondering how his future enjoyment of a game will be indirectly affected by a kid's murder. Which isn't cool. I get that. It's awful. And then I think about that, my selfish tunnel vision, and that's serious. It makes me feel like a stupid jackass, and it's why I've almost scrapped this post six times already. It's a stupid serious stuff spiral, and no matter what angle you take, it's going to be unpleasant. It's usually where I'd turn to baseball to get me away, but, well, this is baseball.
I can hope that Villalona was innocent. I can hope he was wrongly accused and detained, and this could be a triumphant return of a player who was targeted just because of his talent and money. It's not impossible. Heck, it might be likely. The alternative is too horrific to contemplate. Unless there were all sorts of extenuating circumstances. Heck, I wasn't there. I don't know what it's like to return to an impoverished area with fistfuls of money and a name that people know. Though, there's also the chance that a guy who figured that he needed protection brought out the …
See. Serious stuff. And it could be around for a decade or two. There's no answer -- no perfect away to approach it. It's just something we weren't expecting a couple of months ago. A couple of days ago, even. The only thing to say is: huh. Huh, so Angel Villalona is back on the 40-man. Huh. So, he's back in the organizational blueprint. Huh.
Hopefully, something happens soon to make the Angel Villalona story about baseball again. That's what everyone wants. Baseball, baseball, baseball. Until then, huh. Just ... huh.
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So what did they do? Settle with that kid’s family or something?
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
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The charges were dropped I think.
Something about the witnesses changing their story.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Amid reports that Angel settled with the victim’s family.
by Dan from NM on Nov 23, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
If this all works out, I smell movie starring Justin Beiber as Angel Villalona, Alec Baldwin as Brian Sabean, and Edward James Olmos as the tough but fair PI investigating the case. Just think of all the merchandising money the Giants could make off of it too.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 23, 2011 9:40 AM PST reply actions
Never Say Murder?
Wilber Bucardo: Missing?
by gianator on Nov 23, 2011 9:45 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Attempted Murderball
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
3 Strikes and You're Dead
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A Bullet, Right Up The Middle
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
by SnowLeopard on Nov 23, 2011 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
LINE DRIVE BASE HIT, CAUGHT!
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Maybe the kid from "Blind Side" should play Anvil
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Ignoring seriousness
I missed the last episode of The Walking Dead. Should i watch it, or is there a cliffhanger? If there is, then I’ll wait for this weeks to come out first.
Wilber Bucardo: Missing?
by gianator on Nov 23, 2011 9:44 AM PST via mobile reply actions
What she said. You didnt miss much. Natto covered it last night with one .gif
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
/shrugs
It covered the episode though
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
There was some movement on the two most annoying plot lines related to the wife so there’s that
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 23, 2011 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
I think Angel's stock was dropping even before this whole thing came about
Even at his young age, I doubt he is ever anything more than roster filler.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 23, 2011 9:44 AM PST reply actions
Haven't any of you been paying attention?!?
Angel will skip from single A ball to the majors, supplant Belt at first, get traded to the Lakers for an old pair of Kobe Bryant shorts because he only had 1 grand slam in his first 42 at-bats, and come back 20 years from now to prevent Lee Posey from taking his dad’s spot because Villalona gritty will ALWAYS >>>> baby Posey veteran grit.
Duh.
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
You are awesome.
Thank you.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 23, 2011 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
I posted it last thread. And I created a special map for Thanksgiving Day.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Artist’s rendition would be more credible done in Paint.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
I’m just glad I didn’t decide to Photoshop Buster’s head onto the rover.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
It would look perfect on the mast. You can have laser beams shooting from the eyes.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 23, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
EAT CRANBERRY DEATH, MARTIANS
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
by TheLetter2 on Nov 23, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions 14 recs
I wish I could rec’ this a thousand times.
by free f.p. #14 on Nov 23, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
BWAHAHA!!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 23, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
Ha!
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
You > others
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More like
EAT CRANBERRY DEATH,RUSSELL MARTIANS
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AnVil
He wasn’t that impressive in San Jose. But he did have the power. Granted, he was 17 years old playing high-A ball.
Two years is a long time not playing against professionals.
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 23, 2011 9:51 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
also
Holy crap, I love the posting on SBNation iOS app.
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 23, 2011 9:52 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
me fail english
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 23, 2011 9:55 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
yeah wait till it starts crashing all the damn time.
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
3 years youner than Brown playing in SJ last year
He still has time to get his career on track.
by Myemail21479 on Nov 23, 2011 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
Skill sets
Only thing is, Brown can hit for average and go vroooooooooom.
Angel went whiff a lot and goes chug chug chug fielding routine grounders.
I won’t keep my hopes high until AnVil steps on American soil once again.
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 23, 2011 10:34 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Keith law on the Bonus Cap
This is the part where MLB tells talented young amateur athletes — who, by the way, aren’t union members and had zero voice in these negotiations — that baseball is a lousy avenue for them to take, at least financially, and they should probably check out other sports. Yet MLB does not realize that it is to their substantial benefit to sign players early, and at relatively higher prices: You get the athletes into your system where football or basketball can’t poach them, and you get to develop them yourselves rather than farming out that effort to the NCAA.
College coaches must be thrilled, as this will likely mean a lot more teenaged arms for them to blow out through overuse. It’s also a boost to Team USA and the Cape Cod League, which have seen their quality drop over the past several years as players increasingly signed out of high school. I’m sure the NCAA is thrilled as well as they have the prospect of more high-profile prospects to harass for using attorneys during the draft process.
Of course, it also transfers wealth from these teenagers, many of whom come from lower economic strata, to the billionaire owners. So yay for the 1 percent, I guess.
The one thing we don’t know here, however, is how big those signing pools will be. Perhaps the pools will be large, indicating that MLB understands the importance of paying for elite talent, but the fact that the figure for after the 10th round has been cut by about 40 percent to $100,000 is a terrible sign. The draft was the biggest bargain in the sport, and MLB, through some bizarre obsession with cutting bonuses (led by Chicago White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf, perhaps the cheapest owner in the game when it comes to the draft), didn’t realize it. The only possible effect here is to limit the pool of talent entering the sport. If anything, MLB should have looked to raise draft bonuses to attract more athletes. It’s a huge disappointment to any fan of the game, and I know many executives who are unhappy with these changes.
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by DFARowand on Nov 23, 2011 10:14 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
This was basically my argument against draft slotting
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 23, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
I am not sold on worst case scenario
Or that players don’t sign for multiple millions as top 5-10 pick, because they can’t negotiate for more.
But the only real answer is time will tell us.
by Myemail21479 on Nov 23, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
The issue isnt the Top 5-10
The issue is guys who have fallen to later rounds because they have committed to play college football or basketball. The only way to pry those guys away from those commitments is to offer large bonuses. No matter what the slotting number eventually is this effort will be impeded.
That’s stupid.
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by DFARowand on Nov 23, 2011 10:32 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Or it prevents the Yankees from picking up all Boras clients
and using money to get better players in the draft
It is a give and take, and it puts a cap (2010 signing money levels) that adjusts with revenue. Some players may indeed slip through, but at the cost of increased balance.
I think you are talking about a handful of players who would not take a bonus of multiple years of professional work elsewhere in the world, to go to a place for 4 years, play a different sport, have to go to school, and be paid zilch. I just don’t buy a mass exodus theory.
Lastly, I am concerned about the Giants and how they do vs the other 29 teams, not how good the talent level of the entire MLB is. It evens the playing field, I would argue, and I don’t think the Giants stand to lose much here, at least vs the other 29 teams.
by Myemail21479 on Nov 23, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
Lastly, I am concerned about the Giants and how they do vs the other 29 teams, not how good the talent level of the entire MLB is.
Yeah, lets have the Giants play midgets! We can be World Champs every year!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
On the other hand, midgets probably can’t even match a Barry Zito fastball.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
The new system rewards teams who build through free agency and punishes those that use their own players. Which are the Giants better at: developing players or signing players?
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Trying to make the draft more equal is not my definition of punishment
The Yankees pre-draft years used to spend more money to land the best prospects. It is how the dominated the sport for a long time. Some of that process still went on, when teams who did not want to spend 5 mil on a prospect, didn’t and took players who they knew would ask for modest bonuses. Higher caliber players would fall to teams not afraid to spend money, hardly an equalizer.
I am not convinced these rules would majorly impacted current roster if this was done 20 years ago. Did Posey drop from 1st to 5th because of his perceived draft bonus? Okay maybe…
Giants have top 10 payroll, probably always will. They have the resources necessary to compete, and if they didn’t at that level, the system is well beyond broken. As far as using the resources correctly, is another discussion, and should be independent of drafting rules.
I don’t feel that the ability to spend for better prospects should be the equalizer to teams who spend more on free agents, because teams who go full bore without restraints, will do it at all aspects they can for an advantage. It may hurt the Rays and Royals, who I could care less about, but it also really hurts the Sox and Yanks.
by Myemail21479 on Nov 23, 2011 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
This
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How does this really hurt the Red Sox and Yankees?
I don’t see them breaking the bank for draft picks and international free agents. What this does is even out the talent pool, meaning that the ability of a team to become competitive by way of scouting is drastically curtailed. This means that the differences between teams will largely be determined by free agent signings. This does nothing but help the richest teams, because they can spend to get the best players and the poorer teams lack recourse.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
I dont know the draft
But I could give you Matsui and Dice K as examples 1 and 2
by Myemail21479 on Nov 23, 2011 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
Examples of what?
The Red Sox and Yankees used their substantial financial advantages to get highly coveted free agents.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
How does this really hurt the Red Sox and Yankees?
I don’t see them breaking the bank for draft picks and international free agents
They used money to get perceived best free agent international players.
by Myemail21479 on Nov 23, 2011 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
Those aren't the international free agents I'm referring to
This new system has no bearing on them. I’m talking about 16-year-olds from the Dominican Republic.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Balance of power shifted from those who can outbid to those who have the cap to sign.
by Myemail21479 on Nov 23, 2011 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
Except that the balance of power wasn’t in the favor of those who could outbid. It was in the favor of those who were willing to spend. You’re saying that the Yankees and Red Sox were getting all the best amateur players. That’s demonstrably false.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Except it was. Teams like the Yankees and Red Sox could swoop in and sign whomever they drafted, swoop in and sign players who other teams couldn’t sign, and then sign everybody else too. Of course it didn’t mean they drafted the right players or that they were so good at they decided never to sign free agents again but it did allow the Sox to constantly trade people in their system to get the Adrian Gonzalez’s of the world
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 23, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
and
teams like the Royals/Pirate would either have to pay the giant bonuses and gamble or not draft them.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
But teams like the Pirates or Royals could compete with draft bonuses better than they could with FA contracts.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
prices were skyrocketing
The best players should go to the worst teams, not who wants to gamble on them
by Myemail21479 on Nov 23, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
I remember what a huge deal it was when the Nats signed Harper and Strasburg because they knew the bonus was going to be huge and nobody knew if they had the money to do it once, let alone twice. Yet they ponied up for both of them (something a lot of teams coudn’t do) and now have so much invested in them if one of them fails (like Strasburg) it could hurt the franchise for years
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 23, 2011 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
and now have so much invested in them if one of them fails (like Strasburg) it could hurt the franchise for years
I’m not really sure how it could “hurt the franchise for years.” They paid Strasburg $15.1 million. That’s a little more than 10% of what they gave Jayson Werth.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
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by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2011 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
It’s still a lot of money being thrown at one prospect with the hopes they become what they hope they become. If he doesn’t all the money goes down the drain. And that’s also 15 million they couldn’t spend elsewhere
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 23, 2011 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
This is true. But it’s hardly organization-crippling, even in the worst case scenario. We aren’t talking about a Vernon Wells or Barry Zito contract here, or even an Aaron Rowand one.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Even if that's true
that has nothing to do with whether the new rules is good with respect to the draft.
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2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
okay?
I’m not the one who raised the point in the argument, y’know.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
It does though because small market teams have to make a choice on where they spend their money. One option was just taken away.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
1) that has nothing to do with whether the new rules are better for a small market team for the draft in that they can continue to make good picks but no longer have to pay them a big bonus
2) those teams can also make smart decision in signing FAs. Are you saying that the new rules are bad because previous small market teams were prevented from bad FA signings?
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
1) it does because now they can’t hoard expensive picks that fall because of bonus demands
2)This has always been true.
Are you saying that the new rules are bad because previous small market teams were prevented from bad FA signings?
No.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
1) I am totally not getting this point. Small market teams would generally pass on high bonus demands. Secondly, there would no “high” bonus demands because every teams is capped on how much they can spend on each slot.
2) Then what are you saying?
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
A small market team can’t just jump on the best FA signings out there. They must make a choice on where to spend their money. It costs much less to take the same money they would have had to spend on a single free agent and use it to draft multiple expensive players.
To us a random number… $25 million will get you many more players in the draft than it would paying a FA that much per year.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Okay
and how does the new rules prevent those teams from making smart decisions about the money they now have available to spend on FAs?
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
I would gladly pay a Strasburg/Harper every year for 7 years than Zito.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
But that Strasburg/Harper money could go elsewhere, like to signing Beltran. Those signing bonuses are part of the operating expenses after all
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 23, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
I would probably still sign a Strasburg/Harper every year over Beltran, even.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
But in the past, teams would have to make that choice- whether to spend big on signing bonuses or to use it for other means. Now teams (mainly the cheap or small market) don’t have to make that sort of decision so they might be able to get a Strasburg and still sign a good FA.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 23, 2011 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
Or maybe it turns out that Harper decides he wants to play football instead.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
The Nationals signed Jayson Werth to a ridiculous contract the same year right after giving those bonuses to Strasburg and Harper, y’know.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
True, but most people think their FO is nuts (there’s no sign they can afford to pay for all of that) and that was there choice. If I were a Nats fan, I’d be kind of happy about it. But would the Royals, Pirates, Indians, A’s have the make that same decision or go cheaper? With the new deal, teams don’t have to make those kind of decisions
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 23, 2011 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
Especially in the inexact science that is scouting baseball players, who needs more Russels?
1st overall List
approx 1/3 of players become great, 1/3 decent ML players and 1/3 nothing. It is crazy to pay unproven talent crazy money… until they prove it.
by Myemail21479 on Nov 23, 2011 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
yes, but
The ratio has definitely gotten better over time. The draft started in 1965, but there wasn’t a truly great player drafted #1 until well into the 80s (unless you think Harold Baines was “truly great”).
If you look at the more recent #1 draft picks – let’s say 1990-2007 (thus excluding the most recent picks, who either haven’t reached the majors yet or haven’t played much at all), on average they’ve produced 20.6 career WAR. That’s actually not a bad bet – and it’ll end up being significantly higher most likely, because several of the players – Justin Upton, David Price, Joe Mauer, Adrian Gonzalez, and Josh Hamilton – are likely to produce a LOT more WAR by the time they’re done.
By comparison, the first 18 years of #1 draft picks produced an average of 11.9 WAR.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
and I'm not sure which side of the argument this would really work for
But two of the biggest recent-ish #1 draft pick flops – Matt Bush and Bryan Bullington – were guys who really weren’t #1 overall pick quality, but their teams picked them because they were being cheap-asses. Had the Padres drafted Justin Verlander or the Pirates picked B.J. Upton or Zack Greinke…
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
But it also shows that scouting has indeed improved, and that breaking out your wallet to spend big on a legit #1 prospect isn’t that big a risk.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Play 6 years of pro ball and get whatever money you can negotiate
Until then, rely on system that still pays ML players more than what most doctors and Lawyers make. Be first round draft pick, make millions of dollars.
And really, make the draft be about the worst teams having first pick at the best players, and take some of the $$ out of that specific part. ML teams can still use the cash to hire more scouts, look under more rocks, and have a better draft board than other teams.
by Myemail21479 on Nov 23, 2011 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
So 2/3rds of all players drafted in the first round make it to the majors or become stars? I’d take those odds every damn year for the Giants draft picks.
nope
He’s talking about #1 overall picks.
For the first round as a whole, I think it’s more like half makes it to the Majors at all.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
And a lot of that I’d bet is just “oh, we’ve got to bring him up! He was a first round draft pick, and we’d look stupid if he never made it up.”
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Tony Torcato, I’m looking at you.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Rivera and Cano were international amateur free agents
The whole premise is to take the field of players, and nudge them to be drafted and signed in order of talent or percieved talent, and put a cap on it.
by Myemail21479 on Nov 23, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
I believe posted players are unaffected by this.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Really? I must’ve missed that.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I read it as a side note
But i have no idea where. If I can find the reference I will link it.
by Myemail21479 on Nov 23, 2011 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
That is no different than the current system.
Rich teams will continue to pick up expensive FA while poorer teams will not. What the new system eliminates is 1) teams passing on better talent out of fear of unsignability and 2) teams being forced to give big bonuses to extremely unproven talent just so they keep their picks.
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2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
But the old system would allow the Royals to give a unproven talent a $5 million bonus rather than signing Aaron Rowand for $60 million.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
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Yep
Bubba Starling’s name came up multiple times during bargaining sessions, writes Yahoo’s Jeff Passan, as the union was concerned teams will no longer be able to buy players out of other sports. The Royals lured Starling away from football for $7.5MM this year.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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Not really.
Before, the Royals would give bonuses and build their team through the draft, while spending less on FA. Now they are prevented from spending what they did on the draft and being driven more towards having to spend big in FA to improve their team.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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1) Those two things are not always connected
2) It is conceivable that when the Royals sign FAs that they may actually be good
3) The Royals would/could get good talent but at a cheaper price.
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This was an owners initiative
So the Royals talent level because of it, should have been addressed before bringing it to the table.
by Myemail21479 on Nov 23, 2011 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
Because it was an owner initiative, it was more focused on saving money
than improving the talent pool.
It seems there are a lot of shocked reactions from GMs from the draft pool limits and international pool limits.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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Shocked?
They voted 30-0 to approve it
They voted 28-2 for hard caps in 08
by Myemail21479 on Nov 23, 2011 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
GMs aren't owners
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
What he said.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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In a world where his choice is 3 mil signing bonus and football scholarship… not sure how likely his decision is changed.
But, time will tell.
Still talking about overall talent level of MLB going down, at the cost of higher draft equality.
I don’t know the details, but did he fall multiple draft picks\rounds because of possible draft bonus. That is basically the Royals buying a better player, and the whole purpose of taking willingness to spend $$ as ability to get better draft. That is the whole point.
by Myemail21479 on Nov 23, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
Those two things are not connected.
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The Red Sox are in the market for a closer, and three who have already caught their attention will no longer cost them a draft pick — Ryan Madson, Francisco Rodriguez and Heath Bell. The Sox have been loathe, and will always be loathe, to give up draft picks. Those three, along with potential right-handed bats Michael Cuddyer and Josh Willingham, each become significantly more attractive in the team’s eyes. It will only cost them money.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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Loath, not loathe. Loathe is a verb.
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by El Person on Nov 23, 2011 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The draft
Here’s why I don’t think that argument is true. Just look at the NBA and the NFL which has similar drafts. Some teams always draft well and like, say, the Eagles or Steelers, always win. Some teams can’t draft for crap and so you have the Browns, a team that hasn’t been competitive since they returned as a team. The Colts used to draft really well but haven’t lately so when Manning went down, they fell apart while the Portland Trail Blazers were a disaster until they started drafting really smartly and became a winning team.
It’s still all about scouting and it’s still all about making good draft picks, it’s just you don’t have to worry about being able to afford to pay who you draft.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 23, 2011 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
The NBA and NFL aren't really valid comparisons, IMO
For one thing, players only go through those drafts once. Once a player is picked, he has to sign. (Basketball players can go abroad, but that’s usually a much less desirable option.) That’s not true for baseball. For baseball, the high proportion of high-school players drafted also presents a unique situation; many players are talented multi-sport athletes, and they can go and play that sport in college if they decide not to sign with a baseball team. There are very few people who play multiple college sports at a high level; no NFL draftee is going to play basketball if he doesn’t sign with the team that drafted him.
Also, college football and basketball players and European pro basketball players are usually scouted pretty heavily; one team might see more in a guy than another team, but a team’s not particularly likely to land someone who isn’t on anyone else’s radar. Scouting plays a role in baseball that’s not comparable to football or basketball; teams can draft well, but no other sport has an equivalent to the Rays, whose success comes almost entirely from drafting well and making good personnel decisions with regard to players who aren’t on the big team.
A huge part of the talent that exists in baseball isn’t even subject to the draft. There’s nothing in any other sport that’s like scouting in Venezuela and the Dominican Republic, because amateur free agents in other sports are players who aren’t good enough to be selected in the draft. The cap on international free agent spending wouldn’t be a problem in other sports because non-North Americans don’t play football and foreign basketball players can come up through their own systems in their home countries, at which point they are still subject to the NBA Draft. For baseball, on the other hand, amateur free agents are a big deal, and throughout history they have provided advantages to the teams that used them wisely; the Giants of the ‘60s were so good because of Carl Hubbell’s farm system, which covered the Caribbean long before other teams thought of doing the same. A cap designed to put all teams on an equal footing is merely stifling that competitive advantage.
The most important difference is that NBA and NFL draftees contribute right away; in baseball, they don’t. In basketball and football, you generally know what you’re going to get, but baseball prospects flame out all the time (Tim Alderson), and non-prospects often suddenly explode (Pablo Sandoval). There’s no Andrew Luck in baseball; rather than getting one or two really good picks, baseball teams have to focus on making a lot of smart selections. Placing a cap on spending inhibits teams from doing that, especially given that these smart selections are often high school players with college offers who need to see the money before they can sign. In the NBA and NFL, teams can get away with paying whatever price the owners collectively decide that teams should play; it’s different in baseball.
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Whoa
1) Your point about baseball player being able to go elsewhere is only valid for high school players. Where else can college baseball player go? Japan?
2) NFL and NBA artificially block their players’ ability to move.
3) Charlie Ward played basketball despite the possibility of being drafted in the NFL.
4) You don’t have to sign with the team that drafted you in the NBA…you just lose that year (like in baseball). Example: Ricky Rubio.
5) The high rate of flame out for baseball prospect supports the need to limit the amount of bonuses/money being given to baseball draft picks. That money can be used to keep the players a team develops or some other player who has proven to be MLB level.
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1) Your point about baseball player being able to go elsewhere is only valid for high school players. Where else can college baseball player go? Japan?
First, most top prospects are drafted as juniors, so for one thing they can go back to college ball for another year. And in some cases, college draftees have played independent ball for a year in hopes of doing better the next year. Aaron Crow and Luke Hochevar have both done that in recent years.
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and basketball players
can go to the NBDL. The success rate from the NBDL is probably higher than independent ball.
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The point was more about how drafting, scouting, and a good FO are still important, maybe moreso since the money equation has taken away. You could have the #1 pick and be able to afford the #1 pick, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they’ll be good. Some teams in the NFL and NBA are really good at drafting, some aren’t and that’s the difference between a good FO and a bad one. Or, in other words, between drafting Alex Smith or Aaron Rogers
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 23, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
We all know how that worked out
Man I wish the Niners had Aaron Rodgers.
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Usually, college players can go back to college. Every college player is able to be drafted at least three times: after high school and after the junior and senior years. Players who go to community college first (as many players do) are eligible for every draft, meaning that they can be drafted up to five times. Baseball players have extraordinary leverage compared to football and basketball players, who can only be drafted once.
I’m not sure what you mean about artificial blocking. Can you explain?
The examples of Charlie Ward and Ricky Rubio exist, but they’re exceedingly rare. Almost all basketball and football players sign when they’re drafted, because they have no other options. Most baseball draftees don’t sign. It’s an intrinsically different system.
I don’t understand your last point. The cap on bonus money means that teams with extra picks won’t be able to spend more money to get the extra players that they need to limit their risk.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
You already referred to the artificial steps taken by NBA and NFL. NBA no longer allows HS players to be drafted and players cannot go back to college once they declare for the draft. NFL is similar.
The big issue is overslotting and paying giant bonuses to players. That would gone under the new rules
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by CalBear949 on Nov 23, 2011 3:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Oh, of course every league takes steps to limit the eligible draft pool. That includes baseball. It’s rather tangential to the point, though.
Why is overslotting a problem? It’s allowed small-market teams to have a chance to compete.
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What? How is over slotting good. If some better falls to you should have to pay more? That only works in the world of Michael Crabtree.
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by CalBear949 on Nov 23, 2011 5:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
None of that made any sense
You don’t have to pay more if good players fall to you, because that’s not how the draft works. You pick whoever you want. Teams don’t have players assigned to them.
In a later round, you can pick a very good player with a college commitment and give him a bonus commensurate with a much higher pick in order to get him to sign. That’s how overslotting works. Small-market teams use it to get good players that they wouldn’t be able to get otherwise.
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3rd world country the rules are different, especially in places there are few rules. It could have been a lot of things. I think the Giants are making the right decision, but I have to assume his leash is incredibly short.
by Myemail21479 on Nov 23, 2011 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
Because that’s what prosecutors charged him with, and he paid a substantial settlement to the victim’s family. That doesn’t mean he did it, of course, but it’s certainly a possibility.
by Dan from NM on Nov 23, 2011 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
Because it’s one of the possibilities in a murder case where he was at the scene of the crime with a gun.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not saying he’s guilty. You asked for a reason to be suspicious. Those circumstances are awfully suspicious. The reason the charges were dropped may also be less than on the level. We don’t know. It’s encouraging that they were. I’m happy to stand by a presumption of innocence. But if we’re talking purely about suspicion, there’s more than enough to go around.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
because baseball really is the pastoral consciousness of a country mind that still marvels at the scope of the city experience
Wow.
or some crap
Aw, you had to ruin it.
that didn't ruin it
this did:
unopened medical bill
In other news, my insurance carrier refuses to give me the codes submitted by CPMC that turned closing a 1" cut on a child’s forehead into a $2,000 bill. If the US medical establishment were to fall into the ocean and drown, would it make a noise if everyone were cheering?
Yeah, you mentioned this before, although I didn’t catch the specifics. I’m having trouble understanding how this could be.
by non sequitur on Nov 23, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
The amount of time people spend fighting with their insurers over their medical bills, when that time could be better spent posting on this site, is truly staggering.
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luckily, I can do both
..while doing productive work at the same time.
Multitasking is my life.
It’s a dirty business full of crooks & bastards. Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to send thousands of patients to a collection agency…
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I know someone who works banquets at 4 seasons Carlsbad
She told me how drug companies would host 100’s of their employees to diners there. There is no “waste spending” at all there!
by Myemail21479 on Nov 23, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
But everything will be fixed when everyone will be required to buy!
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you need the mandate to combat adverse selection
it’s that or actual socialized medicine, which apparently is anathema
No
but you can maximize the spreading out of cost effect.
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Or you could just bring down the cost.
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You could but one of the big reasons why costs are high is because many people get critical rather than preventative care due to the lack of access.
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So to fix the lack of access we make those fuckers buy it!
Another way to bring down the cost is to have everyone on a single plan and negotiate rates down.
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Apparently this is anathema, because surgeons and healthcare executives will no longer be buying zillion-dollar homes before they hit age fifty. It is probably not a coincidence that two home in this price range on our block have sold in the last couple years to one representative of each of these classes.
We rent.
As do I
health care professionals are going to have to get used to taking less pay.
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I have no problem with surgeons or physicians being one of the most lucrative fields in America. I hope it is. But most insurance companies gotta go.
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when they get multiples of what the rest of the world pays, I have a big problem
French and German surgeons are good at their jobs, too, without needing to be top-0.5% earners.
and
Japan, England, Taiwan, etc…
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I don’t think there are many physicians of any type who make anywhere near what they made in the past. In fact, i can say with certainty that my salary is not far from the salary many local hedge funds pay their admins.
the median income for physicians and surgeons in 2009 was $160k
Financial services is my industry. Median income for admins is closer to half that.
are you in the bay area? because pay scales here should not be used to compare to national averages.
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I agree. Local people I know make much closer to $160 while physician salaries are not as affected by geography and depend more on reimbursement rates which are relatively stable. In fact, many of the highest paid docs work in rural areas. Regardless, we are comparing admins and docs who did at least 4 years of medical school and another 3-8 years of training beyond and who accumulated debts of $100-200K.
Basically,
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I think the median is a tough one
GP makes relatively little and specialist make a lot.
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GP will disagree with this
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GP disagrees with everything but loves him some Reyes
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Yeah they should be highly paid for the ridiculous amount of skill they require but gazillionaires? I don’t know about that.
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True, just as there are very few gazillionaire bankers. Problem is, ‘very few’ here depends on the context of 300,000,000 population. It represents a very real drag on the economy. Back of the envelope, paying US wages instead of French wages to physicians and surgeons alone costs $50 billion a year.
That’s real money.
At least they’re worthier of that income than most of the people who make that kind of money.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
This is true.
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It goes beyond that. Being a doctor is a long, expensive, and arduous process. I had college classmates who could barely write who went to work on Wall Street the day after graduation who made more in their first 3-5 years than I make now 15 years after graduating from Medical School. If we want great doctors here, we will have to make salaries reasonably competitive with those in other fields.
Excuse me.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn’t argue that it’s on the level of medical school, no, but excuse me nonetheless.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
Look I have tremendous respect/admiration for teachers, but one can get credentials relatively quickly and with not much in the way of extra school.
Alright then.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not a teacher, but I’ve spent a lot of time listening to people who are talk about a lot of useless and costly things they’re being forced to do re: schooling. It’s not medical school, but it’s there.
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....My wife is currently going to school to become a teacher.
And without going into it too much, you are incorrect.
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Yeah, can we be a little more selective there. I’ve dated a couple teachers this year and… wow. Those poor kids.
I think it was the League a few weeks ago one of them told a group of HS kids “All of your teachers smoke pot.” So funny, so true.
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Maybe I shouldn’t be in this thread.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
well, some doesn’t equate to you. But yes I know what you mean.
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I recognize that my experience is not representative here. I can’t help that it’s making me mad anyway.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
People talking out of their asses about things they have an armchair knowledge of tend to do that.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
put some WD-40 on it to stop the squeak
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Hello, this is ass.
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why hello, Ass.
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Meant more for my general area
There’s an elementary school every 50 yards out here in DFW. 18 kids per a classroom where I live. I think the talent pool is getting diluted here. At least as far as talent is concerned, appearance though…
And I’m sorry Howie, it was meant more as a tongue-in-cheek joke. I’ll stop it. It was a cheap shot on an honorable profession.
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Have you guys read that Malcolm Gladwell article where he says they should make it easier to become a teacher but then also easier to fire the bad teachers.
He compares teachers to college/NFL quarterbacks and says you just don’t know how they are going to do until they are in the classroom or on an NFL field. A teacher could have great credentials and be lousy.
I thought it was pretty interesting.
WWRWD?
A teacher who has been through a legitimate program may be lousy, yes. A teacher who has not been through a legitimate program will almost certainly be lousy.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Pedagogy is serious shit. You don’t just be a good teacher.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
/raises hand
This I can attest to. Freaking trying to teach small children how to play musical instruments.
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I think section 6 addresses your concerns about teacher training. He’s not saying to do away with it completely.
WWRWD?
I think the article is pretty flawed, from suggesting that standardized test scores can reflect quality in teaching to the presumption that any of the “good teacher/bad teacher” moments he describes can’t be effectively trained. The “quarterback problem” analogy is weird on a lot of levels, as is the correlation eventually drawn between the ways we apprentice financial advisers and the ways we should apprentice teachers. There are deep, deep divides here with each field described between training and educational requirements, job demand, and pay scale. Making teacher hiring into a cutthroat apprenticeship program can only push people away from the field, because the reward half of risk/reward will never be high enough to justify the work. The reward for those financial advisers is something that qualifies them for a “million dollar round table.” That level of reward is never going to be available to teachers.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
welcome to the world of Malcolm Gladwell
I think the article is pretty flawed
The more I know about a subject on which Gladwell is writing, the more flawed his writing appears.
by wcw on Nov 23, 2011 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It's called the Dan Brown effect
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Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
As someone who has gone through teacher training
I can agree that it should be easier to become a teacher. From my experience, I didn’t get much from the classes I took. I then got about 10x times as much from my student teaching and then twice as much from my first year in the field.
Experience is really, really important in my profession. Sabean would love it.
As for firing teachers, that’s a stickier issue. I think that it should be easier to fire teachers because I have seen quite a few bad teachers just stick around because they have a cushy job (our job is only cushy if you don’t care about it) and they can’t be fired.
However, evaluating teachers isn’t easy. Test scores aren’t really a good way but that’s really the only quantitative way of evaluating a teacher. Without it you get into subjective evaluations. With it, you rely on the abilities of other people…
It’s a sticky issue.
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I think teacher training also depends on level. The skills you need to mediate a first grade class are not the skills you need to mediate a middle school class are not the skills you need to mediate a college class. If I were to step into a community college with considerably less training than I’ve been getting in my program, I’d be lost in a way that sticking it out simply wouldn’t cure.
There may be something to modifying the teacher training environment, but the solution Gladwell suggests is crazy.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
I also don’t think Gladwell’s argument is about experience at all. The whole point of outlining the “quarterback problem” is to make the case that “some people just have it.”
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by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
I took it as he’s saying you can’t properly evaluate a teacher until they have spent time in the classroom.
WWRWD?
I don’t see how the two are mutually exclusive here.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
The important thing I take away from thehavenot’s comment is that he needed a great deal of experience to develop skills. One of the takeaways from Gladwell’s article is that he thinks the selection process should work in a way that prevents people from getting a great deal of experience before they are evaluated on their skills. I take that to be a significant contradiction.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
(and, aside from my thoughts on the different requirements of different student levels, I’m still not convinced that lowering the standards for teacher training in general is a good thing – you can’t build a house of experience on a foundation that doesn’t exist. As thehavenot also alludes to, the more immediate and troubling problems in teaching do seem to have a lot more to do with firing people than hiring them.)
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by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t understand why you think his ideas would prevent prospective teachers from getting experience. It seems like he’s calling for more classroom time during training.
WWRWD?
It’s the “four month training camp” section that gets me.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
This bit in particular seems kind of egregious.
Teaching should be open to anyone with a pulse and a college degree—and teachers should be judged after they have started their jobs, not before. That means that the profession needs to start the equivalent of Ed Deutschlander’s training camp.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
Should have bolded that last sentence for emphasis. Judging teachers based on how they do on the job makes sense – that makes sense for any profession. But that’s the only reasonable part of that blockquote.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
I’ve always thought there should be an undergrad intro class that would put people in an actual classroom, with actual kids for a semester. Some people just don’t relate well to kids. Maybe have them do 3 different settings
Childhood-Pre-k-3
Hormones start kicking in Grades 4-8
and adolescents – high school
Even within those three divisions there are a lot of differences, but right now, many teacher prep programs don’t have prospective teachers work with kids until the last semester of their final year. Dumb.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I would add that in my program, for the level that I’m training for, working extensively with actual students and getting classroom time are both mandated.
Assuming this is not how all training works, the problem with teacher training doesn’t necessarily have to be that “it’s too hard with not enough return.” Maybe the return is missing because – again, depending on level – the training isn’t focused right.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
I’ve always thought there should be an undergrad intro class that would put people in an actual classroom, with actual kids for a semester.
I had a class like that, actually! Sort of. I was assisting a teacher for a couple of hours once a week for about half a semester. It was really interesting and valuable, though.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
There's nothing like experience as far as teaching goes
I would love to teach college someday. It’s the easiest (for my skillset as a teacher).
But I am thoroughly loving high school (especially my 12th grade classes) so I’m happier than I was when I was in middle school.
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Welcome to my new adopted Giant, Carlos Beltran. Well, actually, you're more like a foreign exchange student staying at my house for the summer. Regardless, win us a world series! ...ormaybe a game or two.
I didn't pay attention to most of this conversation
I also didn’t read that article. I’m just saying what my experience is
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Welcome to my new adopted Giant, Carlos Beltran. Well, actually, you're more like a foreign exchange student staying at my house for the summer. Regardless, win us a world series! ...ormaybe a game or two.
For example, I’m pretty sure I would be dead or crazy by now if I was trying to teach middle school.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Awwwww, I missed a crazy teachers sub-thread? Damn gym.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
There’s still time!
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I jumped in pretty late!
And now I’m going to play some SC2 with a friend and will jump in again later!
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Welcome to my new adopted Giant, Carlos Beltran. Well, actually, you're more like a foreign exchange student staying at my house for the summer. Regardless, win us a world series! ...ormaybe a game or two.
middle school is definitely the toughest
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Welcome to my new adopted Giant, Carlos Beltran. Well, actually, you're more like a foreign exchange student staying at my house for the summer. Regardless, win us a world series! ...ormaybe a game or two.
Community College ideally, but the range I’m open to starts in high school.
I may do a PhD program in a few years so I can start teaching college lit, but for now I want to be with pre-college students.
College level composition would be phenomenal, also, but I don’t know that it’s a realistic possibility right now.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
I bet you could find part-time adjunct work teaching FYC once you have your degree.
Of course, you’d get paid approximately three dollars and seventy-nine cents a year.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Yeah, the adjunct life is not glamorous, but seems likely enough. It’s one of the things I’m preparing for.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
I’ll actually begin contacting community colleges in about a week and a half, to make sure that every last one of them has my CV (all but degree!) on file. I’d be doing it right now, but oh god this time of year.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
As long as Wall Street exists in its present form, we’ll have incompetent people making obscene amounts of money.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
When it comes to health professionals
you want best available talent in the field. Period. it’s like baseball signing bonus.
If you start losing these talents because the field is no longer as lucrative, then the best minds would rather be Engineers than Doctors. And that would SUCK.
Because I’d rather wait 3 years for nano-technology than being misdiagnosed for cancer.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
I'd be perfectly happy with French health care at French costs
Throwing money at health care ceases to make health care better at a certain point.
LOL GENERAL POPULATION
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Just think about how dumb the average person is
now realize half of the people are dumber than that.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
Pick me!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
ARE YOU THE 1%?
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
Actually
most polls show that American do like universal coverage and government involvement. Just about every Medicare receipient loves the service.
The opposition is really about 1) misinformation and 2) people don’t like being told that they have to do something, even if that something is good for them.
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I think the folks who passed Obamacare did a good thing, but screwed up pretty good when they didn’t write Medicare/VA-for-all into the law somewhere.
it's also complicated
most people don’t like complicated.
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Also failure to negotiate drug prices.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
They went as far as they could. Most of us (physicians) supported a VA (or even Kaiser) like model. But the insurance lobby is very strong. They are not keen on having their businesses destroyed.
I think it would be easier to sell a Kaiser-like system. I like that the physicians own the practice.
VA-for-all:
- anyone can participate in VA, if they pay
- insurance must allow a cash-for-VA option
Et voila. VA crushes UNH and its friends into dust. Private practice for all but the #1-3 in their fields dries up. Second-tier surgeons swallow hard, sell their Maseratis and go to VA.
What disappoints me is the lack of interest in health reform by the business sector. If it weren’t for health care, GM never would have gone through bankruptcy.
I think they are very interested. I also think it is a good thing that they stay interested in keeping costs down. That of course makes me less enthusiastic about taking them out of the equation.
Never tried one. Seems like a good idea though.
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
/accidentally hits ejection button
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by jhiat00 on Nov 23, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You can get them in the US. We have one.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
Yeah
but your last name is either Walton or Vanderbilt.
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Not exactly.
the presumption is that people would buy insurance if 1) they could afford it and 2) it is offered to them. The current system eliminates the poor and the sick from coverage to maximize profit.
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I didn’t have coverage for 3 years. This past year I was covered & did my physicals. I’m not planning on being covered in 2012.
Scam.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
Everything would more or less be fixed if we abolished health insurance altogether.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
As long as by ‘fixed’ you mean ‘poor folks would die in the street like dogs’.
Actually, we treat dogs better. Have you been to the SF SPCA?
I’ve seen the streets of London and poor folks weren’t dying in the street like dogs.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
I was of the belief that it isn’t a system of insurance. The government doesn’t pay for your coverage when you get sick; the government provides it for you.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
NHS = taxpayer funded insurance
“The government” doesn’t pay for people’s medical care. A tax to fund the National Health Service is taken out of workers’ paychecks. Said tax is called National Insurance. It’s similar to Medicare, except that people get care throughout their lives, and they get to stop paying the tax when they go on State Pension (equivalent to Social Security).
It’s public insurance. http://tinyurl.com/7rmegy9
by BamaGiantsFan on Nov 23, 2011 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
This whole "debate" about the constitutionality of "mandatory" payment is ridiculous
Go look at your check and see if you see deduction for
Medicare
Medical
FICA
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What did I say to offend?
Or am I misinterpreting? I was just pointing out that NHS is definitely insurance, funded by premiums (in the form of taxes).
Incidentally, my private medical deduction is not mandatory. It’s removed from my paycheck because I voluntarily signed up for one of my employer’s plans. I’d be nuts not to take it, of course, but it’s not a condition of employment, nor is it required by law like Medicare and FICA.
by BamaGiantsFan on Nov 23, 2011 5:58 PM PST up reply actions
I can't stop clicking on the turkey wing in the latest google thingamabob
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 23, 2011 10:38 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
...holy shit.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I know, right?
It is like eating potato chips!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 23, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
Well, I wasn't doing anything at work before.
So at least I am doing something now.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I like how the legs change too.
HE’S A PIRATE!
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Roller skates!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 23, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
WHOA
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
You can change each individual piece by clicking that part
Or slot machine with his wing.
THIS IS AMAZING.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Oooh I got a George Washington wig!
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
That is freaking cool Lars
Thanks for the tip!
by Myemail21479 on Nov 23, 2011 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
TWSS!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 23, 2011 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
Thanksgiving automation breaks have been recorded. Let the goofing off begin.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
I don't think it does what you think it does...
I hate being sick. Interferes with my damn money. But I guess it ain’t worth my health. Off another day tomorrow. :(
I took NyQuil DayQuil alkeseltzer marijuana still no bueno
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
Aren’t you married?
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
He is for now.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 23, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
Home wrecker.
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
oh jesus christ
You know I never thought to check, but now that you guys mention it
Born on XXXXXXX, 1990
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
Hey, at least you can legally buy her a drink.
"The definition of insanity is startjng Orlando Cabrera over and over again and expecting different results"--Albert Einstein
Maybe
We still have 38 more days to be sure.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
it's all good
it’s not a -ember month
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
maybe I should set you up with her
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
Keept it in perspective...he's been removed from baseball for two years.
He needs to do a lot of things to get back to his path in fulfilling his potential. I’ve read he is in bad shape which also doesn’t bode well for him. But there is little risk in having him in the minors. He will take time to do anything productive…but he’s so young! People want to point out how he struggled in SanJo but the guy was 17 years old. He would’ve barely been a senior in high school and he’s playing ball with kids who just got out of college.
The murder charges have been dropped. There wasn’t anything that really connected him with a smoking gun. All we’ve got from this story were a bunch of witnesses who’ve changed their story and insufficient evidence.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Nov 23, 2011 11:04 AM PST reply actions
OT - Booze! Hookers! Sleazy buisiness misadventures and Albert Pujols
Deadspin making Albert’s agent very nervous today?
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 23, 2011 11:14 AM PST reply actions
Flagged!
When are booze and hookers ever off topic here?
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
by bgunn on Nov 23, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
/insta-rec’d
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 23, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
That OT stood for on topic
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
what kind of booze?
Speaking of which, has anyone had a great-to-amazing 2002 Champagne that retails under $50?
That’s pretty specific, so no. But our latest sparkler find is Louis Bouillot Cremant de Bourgogne Rosé “Perle d’Aurore” ($14.00/750 ml @ K&L). If you like Brut Rose, I think you’ll find it a steal.
We went to Chez Papa Mint Plaza and they were selling it for $45.00.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
yes, it was, but that's a great rec
3x markup at restaurants is normal.
I liked the Launois ‘garage wine’ K&L has, but $60 for a vintage is a mite high for me, and it’s good, not great.
Athletics Oakland Athletics
#Athletics offer arbitration to free agents Josh Willingham and David DeJesus.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
You'll care when Sabean signs DeJesus for 3 years 35 million.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Melky Butt
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 23, 2011 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
Butt Melky
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
My Melk shake brings all the boys to the yard
And there like,
Its better than yours,
Damn right its better than yours,
I can teach you,
But I have to charge
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That was in my head earlier
Thanks, it is back.
I was going to post a gif to share the love, but decided against it, and I don’t think gifs are allowed here.
by Myemail21479 on Nov 23, 2011 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
Have you never been in a Game Thread in which the Giants win?
They’ve always been allowed here. Just keep it tasteful and use a subject line.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
He's Type B though so nobody cares
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
Terra Nova is not too bad
once they stopped using dinosaurs as the main plot theme.
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That seems like it’d be going in the opposite direction of what would make the show interesting and unique.
by Every6thDay on Nov 23, 2011 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Sounds like it’s the opposite of The Walking Dead, where it’s much better when they just have zombie attacks and stop talking.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
That show… I swear… I don’t know if I’m going to keep watching. It’s not exactly boring, it just never is as great as it thinks it is.
by Every6thDay on Nov 23, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t know if it’s the acting or the writing, but the only compelling character is Daryl. Rooting for the zombies to eat your main characters is probably not what they’re going for, but it’s where I’m at right now.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
HOMOGENIZED
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
Kid went through the judicial process. Whatever punishment he had or didn’t have coming is done with. It’s not anyone else’s job or duty to judge him. It should all be about baseball now.
Where’s my half nekkid Angel pic?
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
I agree with this.
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Me, too. If the state can’t make a case, you walk, this is how it works.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Of course it works better for some than others.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Sure but presumed guilt is a slippery slope to go down.
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People really don’t get it, tho. I had to explain to my husband last night that the defense attorney’s job is simply to poke holes in the state’s case and create reasonable doubt. Most regular people think that a court of law is a place to find out the “truth.”
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
It's interesting to me
that people don’t “trust” the government with running schools or health care but is totally fine with the government arresting, prosecuting, and jailing people.
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Statistics show that our government is best in the world at that. One of the best in the history of the world actually.
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Does this statistic includes Pakistan?
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
(they found a man guilty of having sex with a girl of higher class, for punishment they sentenced his sister to be gang raped by 14 ppl of the girl’s family)
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
Let me find it.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
The United States has the highest documented incarceration rate in the world at 754 per 100,000
FYI Pakistan is 202nd with 40 per 100K.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
A lot of this has to do with punishment methods I imagine
Not every corner of the world considers confinement the right method of punishment.
Singapore has caning! Instead of going to jail, you get a beat down and go home!
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
Even still
I’m willing to bet that proportionately more people are convicted of crimes in the United States than elsewhere.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Apparently we're so good at it that we should do more of it!
We believe that in order to keep dangerous criminals off our streets, we must build more prisons. We support the immediate construction of new prisons and sufficient utilization of private prisons in order to eliminate prison over crowding and to avoid early release.
That’s from the California Republican Party official platform.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Well I don’t think that is a R vs D thing but yeah privatization of prisons is a problem IMO. That and the really cheap labor they provide.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Obviously, given that this is a state-level thing, it's largely done through non-partisan initiatives
But this is just about as much of a partisan thing as policy issues at the state level can get, really. Dan Lungren’s made a career out of it.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Well I’m sure it wouldn’t be hard to find a Democrat saying the same thing. If there is anything that can bring the two sides together it’s locking people up.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
True
But you’ll always pretty easily be able to find a Democrat who says the things that Republicans say.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
TV shows have convinced them that prosecutors are heroes that have the people’s best interest in mind, that they always charge the right guy, that they win their cases by finding hidden evidence at the 11th hour, and all defense attorneys are scum who want to get their guilty clients off at any cost.
A more balanced presentation would be welcome to me.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
What bugs me about investigation shows is that they always ‘just know’ who is the perp and spend the show gathering facts to back that up. Shouldn’t they be finding facts and then figuring out who it is?
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
dum dum
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bad example
It’s almost never the first guy they want you to think it is in that show
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
That's the guy the cops think it is
Then the ADA does some investigative work on their own and discovers the irrefutable truth, rushing in just prior to the summation to deliver the killing blow.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
ha! yeah.
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Good TV
Bad representation of the justice system
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
they really almost never do that
otherwise they wouldn’t be able to have the “twist” in the last act. The worst effect those shows have had on the system is that they’ve convinced people that A) eyewitnesses are completely reliable and B) there will always be substantial forensic evidence if the person is guilty.
Interestingly enough, these two effects pull in the opposite direction.
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
There was a really good show on TNT that ran for a couple of seasons that covered a public defender’s office, but it got cancelled. Probably because a lot of ppl were uncomfortable with the thought that our criminal justice system is pretty damn far from just.
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Did it show that most trials are won or lost in the motions in limine and the jury voir dire? Because that’s pretty much true and pretty damn boring.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
They didn't show a lot of voir dire
but only maybe 10-20% of cases they showed even went to jury trial
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
The show was "Raising the Bar" if you want to check it out
it might be on netflix
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
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I dunno. It's On Demand.
My wife loves it. I watch it with her. This season is getting a little weird. But the first 2 were good.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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Here we go
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Thing of it is
the most likely scenario to me (from what little actual data I have seen) is that he actually did kill the victim, and then he paid off the victim’s family. Maybe the whole thing was attempted extortion, and he had nothing/minimal to do with the killing itself – I spoze that fits the few facts we know also. But, until the former scenario is somehow conclusively disproved, it’s not just about baseball for me – I will not root for the guy.
And, no, the Dominican court’s ruling does not conclusively conclude the matter for me. Bottom line: I want to see/read/hear something more before AnVil is welcomed into my Giants’ loving heart.
Also – embarrassed to say it, but part of it also is that I don’t want to be hearing about this from Bums fans, DBags fans, Pads fans, and especially the fukkin Rockies fans.
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by SnowLeopard on Nov 23, 2011 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
I guess you were hoping that Bonds was not a Giant.
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I loved and love Barry Bonds
Using steroids, when they (1) are not against league rules yet (2) don’t hurt anyone but yourself and (3) many of the pitchers you are facing and hitters for the opposing team are using them too, seems to me to be qualitatively different than murdering someone.
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by SnowLeopard on Nov 23, 2011 12:05 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I am talking about
presumptive guilt.
.
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I assume that is a lawyer phrase
I am not sure what it means, or what you are saying in bringing it up. Perhaps you can explain more.
I will say, I have never been within 100 feet of Barry Bonds, nor have I ever been in the Dominican. But, from what I have read on my computer, it does seem to me that Barry Bonds used steroids, and than AnVil was somehow intimately involved with someone getting murdered. Do I know either of those for an absolute fact? No. But, I’ve read enough that those are my current working assumptions.
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by SnowLeopard on Nov 23, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
No
you assume that Villone of murder based upon what you read on the internet. That would be presumptive guilt.
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Ron Villone’s involved now, too? This plot is getting thicker and thicker.
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Can't spell today.
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I've never been to South America
But I assume it exists, based on what I’ve read, pictures I’ve seen, things friends have told me, etc.
In fact, I don’t think I’ve met any McCovens in real life, and have no tangible evidence that I am not right now cyber-talking with a computer simulation of an online community. But – realistically – I don’t believe that, or act like it.
And – sorry – but, yes, I do trust what I’ve read so far. I am open to changing my mind, if I read more.
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by SnowLeopard on Nov 23, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
In fact, I don’t think I’ve met any McCovens in real life, and have no tangible evidence that I am not right now cyber-talking with a computer simulation of an online community
Interesting. Tell me more.
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Are you being
Eliza, the TRS-80’s computer therapist? :)
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by SnowLeopard on Nov 23, 2011 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
Except
one is based upon assumption, inneundos, and opinions. The other is based upon the facts.
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There were enough facts to charge him with murder
and hold him for a while on those charges. Have you ever seen any evidence that he didn’t kill someone in cold blood? Have you ever seen a quote by him where he has even claimed, “I didn’t do it! I was set up!” Has anyone from the Giants org said he didn’t murder someone, and/or presented a plausible alternative explanation for his arrest?
As I’ve said, I am open to new information, as it comes along. Until and unless that happens, though, I think the guy is a monster, and I do not want him around.
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by SnowLeopard on Nov 23, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
So in conclusion
presumed guilt.
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Have you ever seen any evidence that he didn’t kill someone
You can’t prove a negative.
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by troymccluresf on Nov 23, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
Seriously. Come to think of it, I never saw evidence that snowLeopard wasn’t the murderer either.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
I wasn't held in prison for a year, charged with the crime
I could bring forth witnesses and evidence that would show that I was elsewhere when it happened.
If AnVil can/does bring forth evidence that he didn’t murder someone, great. Until then – don’t want him around.
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by SnowLeopard on Nov 23, 2011 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
I'll say it again
I’ve never even seen a quote from him, or anyone in the Giants org, saying, “I/he was set up”, “I/he didn’t pull the trigger”, “It was self-defense”, or anything of the sort. I have yet to see an alternative explanation (besides the initial charges) of what happened there. There aren’t even two conflicting narratives out there vying for credulity.
From what I have seen, there’s just – “he murdered someone” vs. “well – the witness and victims family just sort of all wandered off into the other room, so they couldn’t exactly pin it on him …”
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I can’t blame the Giants for wanting to distant themselves from the situation regardless of whether he’s innocent or guilty.
That
I agree with.
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Indeed. But the gross misunderstanding of basic presumption of innocence always astounds me no matter how often I hear it.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 23, 2011 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
Getting off on a technicality.
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There are several standard
jury voir dire questions that try to ferret out this kind of thing. Sometimes, the judges spend much of the voir dire time educating jurors and trying to persuade them to presume innocence just so there are enough jurors to fill out the seats.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Mrs. jhiat00 was complaining about getting a jury summons (Why don’t I ever get picked? I never have!) so I told her to say something like “I hate cops,” or, “hang ’em ’till they rot.” I figured that would do the trick.
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“The trick is to tell them you’re prejudiced against all races.”
Also, as far as jury duty summons go: when I’ve lived in California, I get one every year, without fail, but my group has never actually been called. When I’ve lived in other states, I’ve never gotten one at all.
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They will usually probe further to make sure you really believe it. They come at it by several different angles.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Jury duty coming up next week
I’m not looking forward to it and expect to get dismissed, but I have to say the one time I wasn’t removed by the attorneys in voir dire and actually served through a trial, it was a fascinating and educational experience. Everyone should welcome the chance to do it at least once.
by NearestNorwich on Nov 23, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t see where Snow Leopard (or anyone else) is required to follow US legal dictates when formulating a personal opinion. Snow Leopard isn’t sitting on a jury to decide AnVil’s guilt or innocence. He’s just deciding whether or not he wants to be a fan.
If Villalona was to be tried for this murder in a US court of law (impossible, of course) and Snow Leopard sat on the jury, I expect he/she would use different criteria in determining whether to find AnVil guilty or not guilty. That’s not the same thing as Snow Leopard deciding whether or not to be happy when AnVil hits a home run while wearing a Giants uniform.
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
Lots of quotes from people who’ve known Angel since he was drafted saying that the story that is out there is 180 degrees from what they would expect from the kid they knew.
Other than that, it was an on-going criminal investigation so Giants or others quoting in the press is not exactly kosher.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 23, 2011 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
Fair enough
It could be that the org knows more than they are saying. Putting him back on the 40 indicates that. I do hope we learn more in a year that could lay my (our?) conscience to rest.
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Also
If the court found AnVil not guilty because they found someone else who confessed to the crime, I would say, great, welcome back to the Giants, kid. If they found him not guilty because witnesses, cell phone records, etc indicated that he was at Disneyland when the shooting happened, well, welcome back. Even if they found him not guilty because they were convinced he acted in self-defense – wellll … welcome back, Killer.
But the only reason given so far for his being let go is that the victim’s family decided not to press charges, and some of the witnesses changed their mind.
Wikipedia says,
“In November 2009, it was announced that Villalona was released on bond, but would still face the murder charges. The victim’s family asked a judge to drop the case, prompting Villalona’s release, which appears related to a reported monetary settlement of approximately $139,000 that Villalona reached with the deceased’s family. Villalona would have stayed in jail awaiting the former charges without the settlement. The prosecutor, however, still plans to prosecute Villalona.”
So – there is no evidence that he didn’t actually murder someone, only that he gave the victim’s family a chunk of cash. I will not root for a murderer.
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I will not root for a murderer.
Would you root for a victim of a tragic extortion?
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 23, 2011 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
If that's what this turns out to be
certainly.
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Not sure about the DR
but the desire of the victim’s family is irrelevant to whether or not to prosecute.
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Yeah, that’s another thing I hate about tv, they always talk about “pressing charges” as though it’s the vicim’s perorgative. It’s up to the DA.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
That's why the
criminal case are “Smith v. the People of the State of California” not “Smith v. Victim”
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I believe
that that’s true in criminal cases, not in civil cases.
Anyway – (1) may be different in the DR, (2) since AnVil paid off the family it raises my suspicions that he may have paid off the witnesses as well.
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you must have refused to cheer for Juan Uribe, too
to say nothing of Jose Mesa
even I refused to cheer for Mesa
when did Mesa did something to cheer for?
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If I remember correctly
there seemed to be clear evidence that Uribe was set up. I have seen no such clarity regarding AnVil.
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by SnowLeopard on Nov 23, 2011 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
He hit the greatest sac fly in Giants history.
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Video evidence
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=12875043
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And, no, the Dominican court’s ruling does not conclusively conclude the matter for me. Bottom line: I want to see/read/hear something more before AnVil is welcomed into my Giants’ loving heart.
It’s not yours or the Giants organization responsibility to judge this case again. The court of public opinion should have no bearing on a man’s employment opportunities.
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One thing I don't like about NCAA football and NFL
is how many of the guys in those leagues engage in violence (fellonious and otherwise) off the field. Acceptance of that thuggishness turns me off to the whole sport.
And, sure, if the court let AnVil go, he should of course walk a free man, and get on with his life. But I for one don’t want him in the Giants org unless I see/hear/read more information than convinces me that he didn’t shoot and kill another man for a non-self-defense reason. I will not root for anybody where more signs (that I have read so far) point to him having done such a horrible thing than that he didn’t.
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by SnowLeopard on Nov 23, 2011 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
So
we should just ignore courts and make individual presumption of guilt on people.
All people charged with crimes should just be rounded up and shipped off to an island.
I don’t even know what you do with people who are convicted.
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Many many football players are in fact convicted (of assault, battery, assault and battery, assault no batteries included, etc). Some do time, some do community service, some go on parole, etc.
Also: the court letting OJ off doesn’t mean I don’t think he killed Nicole and Ron Goldman. Certain people who are convicted, I am not convinced that they actually did what the court says they did. All we can do is take in information as we do, and make our best assessments based on that. And a court’s ruling is only part of that process, for me – not the final word.
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by SnowLeopard on Nov 23, 2011 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
So even if they are convicted & do their punishment, you still don’t want them employed by your favorite sports team?
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Football has a general air of thuggishness that turns me off, punishment served or not.
When it comes to baseball, there are few things that I think merit being banned.
- Beating your wife or punching someone in the face in a nightclub – no.
- Pushing an umpire – no.
- Theft, lying, shoplifting, etc off the field – no
- Using steroids, HGH, meth, coke to help compete – no
- Scuffing the ball, stealing signs – no.
- Being a general dick (Milton Bradley, Ty Cobb, Albert Belle) – no.
But
- Gambling on games you are involved in (Shoeless Joe, Charlie Hustle)
- Murder, rape, a serious assault that leaves someone crippled
No – I do not want anyone who did either of those last two things on the Giants. No way.
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by SnowLeopard on Nov 23, 2011 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
or
Someone that was accused but find not guilty by a court .
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I GET YER F'N POINT
We clearly disagree
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by SnowLeopard on Nov 23, 2011 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
This should be CalBear949's sig
The first six innings are overrated.
GP?
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That works too
The first six innings are overrated.
LOL
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 23, 2011 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
does someone have to be convicted in a court of law for you to believe they committed a crime?
WWRWD?
Pretty much
it certainly would take that for me to judge him enough to deny him future employment.
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I would cheer that he would not do well and that he would not be on the team because he did not do well. But I would not preclude him from being on the team.
And most likely, I would cheer for his production on the field. Going back to the Bonds issue.
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What if one were able to prove beyond a doubt that Pete Rose only be on his team to win? Would that make a difference?
For me it definitely would.
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Thought provoking / good point
I’m not sure.
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by SnowLeopard on Nov 23, 2011 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
Pete Rose only be on his team to win?
Raises some questions about the games he didn’t bet on his team.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 23, 2011 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah I guess that’s true.
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I imagine there were large wagers by unscrupulous people who would’ve had information as to when Pete wasn’t laying down on his team. And a myriad of other possibilities therein.
Cuts to the core of sanctity of the game, IMO.
Put him in the HoF, keep him out of organized baseball for life.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 23, 2011 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Put him in the HoF, keep him out of organized baseball for life.
I can agree with this.
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My feeling is
put him in the HoF after he passes away.
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U COLD DAWG
I’m no Pete Rose apologist, far from it.
His motivation isn’t to get in the Hall of Fame. His motivation is to be the manager of the Cinci Reds where he can MAKE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
Fuck that idea. Dude obviously ain’t good with money or rules.
HoF induction does very little for him other than changing his signature of balls that he sells in a lonely hallway in Las Vegas.
LOL PETE ROSE.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 23, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
Well, I'd say
his exploits between the chalk lines have earned him a place in the hall.
But – like I said – gambling on the game is one of the few things I see as a really really serious moral transgression for a ballplayer.
So – yeah – put him in the hall. But don’t give him the satisfaction of having seen it happen.
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Fair 'nuff
Though
But don’t give him the satisfaction of having seen it happen.
I think the true, sad, story of Pete Rose is that only one thing brings him satisfaction…and that is money.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 23, 2011 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
NOONER
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NOONAN?
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I think I"m going to ranch 99 to redeem my 6 bucks worth of hot food
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can of corn
I had Wendy’s.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
how was she?
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
I really wanted to make this joke
but thought it would be in bad taste.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Rumor has it, she kept saying
“WHERE’S THE BEEF!?” :)
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
by SnowLeopard on Nov 23, 2011 12:10 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
lol
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
Wasn’t there something from Schulman or Baggs, right after AnVil was added back onto the 40-man roster, that indicated the Giants braintrust was deeply divided about bringing him back? I’m not sure who was for it and who was against it, but it would be interesting to know.
"The definition of insanity is startjng Orlando Cabrera over and over again and expecting different results"--Albert Einstein
I wonder if
the hesitant ones had moral/legal concerns, or if it was more about baseball/performance
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
by SnowLeopard on Nov 23, 2011 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
.
Baggs:
Charges were dropped earlier this year. Regardless, it’s believed there was much debate in the front office about whether to welcome Villalona back into the system. Ultimately, it’s fair to speculate that the lawsuit might have made some impact on the decision.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 23, 2011 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
Video: MLB Network Clubhouse Confidential 2011 NL MVP race
MLB Network’s ‘High Heat’ segment takes a look at the 2011 NL MVP race and analyzes the numbers to determine who should have won the award.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 23, 2011 12:01 PM PST reply actions
Darn cat. Just be healthy like normal cats, for once in your life.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
It’s not fun when pets are sick. I always feel like I’m letting them down in some way…
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
Yeah, it makes me feel like why didn’t I take him to the vet a week ago….
But as long as his bloodwork comes back clean it’s just more of the same shit that we’ve always had to deal with for this one, except now he’s doing most of it at the same time.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
Son, I am disappoint...
garybrown909 Gary Brown
Britney spears you are a lyrical genius
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
by jctGamer on Nov 23, 2011 12:25 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
IT'S OKAY
He made an error. He meant literal genius.
Oh. That’s much worse.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
In conclusion
Engineers are underpaid and overworked. Pay us more please kthxbye.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
No one ever thinks about the poor underpaid people in the nonprofit sector.
Especially those that work for the Boy Scouts.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
WHAT ABOUT US GUBMINT WORKERS? WE HAVEN’T HAD A RAISE IN 3 YEARS!
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Go to a strip club.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Meet the engineer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipYkuCZ2IYI&feature=watch_response_rev
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
I DIDN'T LEARN NAVIER STOKES TO FLIP BURGERS DAMMIT
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
I think the same about my profession
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Welcome to my new adopted Giant, Carlos Beltran. Well, actually, you're more like a foreign exchange student staying at my house for the summer. Regardless, win us a world series! ...ormaybe a game or two.
I went to see AnVil play in SJ a few years ago.
The boy hit the ball very hard. I look forward to seeing him again. Any idea where he will play?
Legal matters and morality aside, what I’d like to hear is why the Giants ever let AnVil go back home to the DR in the summer of 2009? Yes, he had a leg injury that kept him from playing for SJ in the 2nd half of the season, but the Giants should have had him down in the Scottsdale camp working on his conditioning, pitch recognition, learning English and just soaking up as much knowledge and experience that he could. It was dumb for them to let him return to the DR unsupervised.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
by Fla-Giant on Nov 23, 2011 12:57 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
His mother was ill
That’s what the Chronicle reported at the time of the arrest. It’s near the end of the article.
http://articles.sfgate.com/2009-09-22/bay-area/17206141_1_dominican-republic-minor-rides
by BamaGiantsFan on Nov 23, 2011 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
Handegg OT: Predictions for Niners Ravens tomorrow night?
I am really looking forward to watching this game. Mine is Ravens 17-13
It’s interesting to me because of Flacco. The Ravens’ defense have been gashed quite a few times this year.
I’m going with 17-9 Niners.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
They had some crazy stat on Murph and Mac a couple days ago that this is the first time a West Coast team is flying east for a Thanksgiving Day game since the LA Rams in 1975.
Ravens 24, Niners 10.
"The definition of insanity is startjng Orlando Cabrera over and over again and expecting different results"--Albert Einstein
This Creeping Underwater Ice Tornado Kills Everything It Touches
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Orton has been claimed by someone.
But who??!!
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Apparently it was before them. KC I hope.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
The Chiefs claimed former Broncos quarterback Kyle Orton on waivers today, according to an NFL source.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
OH SNAP
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
It would be so awesome if KC won in Denver now.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
THAT WOULD NOT BE AWESOME. NOT ONE BIT.
IN FACT, I DOUBT YOU HAVE A WORKING DEFINITION OF “AWESOME.”
This is AWESOME:
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 23, 2011 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
KILL IT WITH FIRE
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Yick!!
I'm on the twitters @FFFFFFFFreak55
2010: TGWTWS One of the most unbelievable, impossible, magic-packed amazing years of my life.
Before I even look at a giants lineup I'm already thinking LOLBELT
WHY IS CABRERA?!?!
The 2011 San Francisco Giants: comprised of extraordinary pitching and a black hole of suck that is their offense
by Falconer88 on Nov 23, 2011 4:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
you mean
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
adbrandt Andrew Brandt
Chiefs awarded Kyle Orton on waivers. As per league source, two other teams made claims: Cowboys and Bears.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Hey, good for the Chiefs. Orton is a good quarterback, and I suspect once he gets his feet settled in the system he’ll make good use of Bowe.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
LOL Cowboys
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
I want to know if I lose Beltran to free agency, can I get Villalona back as my adopted Giant?
What kind of creep does that make me?
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Welcome to my new adopted Giant, Carlos Beltran. Well, actually, you're more like a foreign exchange student staying at my house for the summer. Regardless, win us a world series! ...ormaybe a game or two.
You'll have to consult the new CBA
The first six innings are overrated.
Voodoo Magic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=a3ImaaS2-MY#t=206s
When asked how she wears fake lashes, one girl said she wears 3 pairs by compressing two together and stick it to a 3rd one that has more volume. The other girl says she wears 4.5 pairs. WTF.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
The meme that will never die
"The definition of insanity is startjng Orlando Cabrera over and over again and expecting different results"--Albert Einstein
by Kitspool on Nov 23, 2011 1:25 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Great, now Boston has a new person they can whine about
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 23, 2011 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
LOL the Mets helmet.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
This is amazing
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
Astronaut plays one man baseball game in space.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
branching off from the draft sub-thread
I was looking at the first round results of the 2003 draft, and one of the guys drafted that year was Lastings Milledge. I had seriously forgotten he existed…which is odd, since he had over 400 PA in the National League in 2010.
That got me thinking about players whose existence I forget about for some reason.
Also on the list: Ryan Garko. He was a Giant just a few years ago, and I always remember that we traded for a shitty first baseman and gave up Scott Barnes for him – but almost every time, I struggle to remember Garko’s name.
On the other hand, my memory of obscure Giants (and other players) from many, many years ago is somewhat infamous – I can go on and on about Francisco Melendez or Dan Peltier or Joey Meyer or whatever.
So: am I alone here, or do other people randomly seem to forget about players who they really should remember?
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
I remember the Garko for backup catcher movement.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Remember the people who were convinced he could be a good outfielder?
They’re probably the same people who now want Brett Pill to play second base.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
I remember Garko as a professional hitter
I think his failure influenced trading bigger for Beltran
by Myemail21479 on Nov 23, 2011 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
I still can’t tell Lastings Milledge and Nyjer Morgan apart. Is Morgan the one who’s still playing?
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
they're both still playing
But Milledge spent almost all of 2011 in AAA.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
That's racist!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
It actually kinda might be
I think they were traded for one another at some point, which didn’t help.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
I forget Ryan Klesko’s season on the Giants. I mean, I know it happened, but the image of him in a Giants jersey is nowhere in my memory bank.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
I’m like that with Darryl Strawberry and the Giants. Of course, he wasn’t a Giant for as long as Klesko, and it was a lot longer ago.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
I can clearly remember Darryl with his swing launching a HR into RF at Candlestick. Eric Davis though, can’t picture it. Deion Sanders I definitely remember. Orel Hershiser starting for the Giants? Blocked out.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
I was living in New Jersey when Strawberry was a Giant, and back then they were hardly ever on tv on the east coast, so that’s part of it.
My main memory of Hershiser is the press conference when they signed him; he made a quip to the effect of, “My name is Orel, and I’m a recovering Dodger. I spent three years in rehab in Cleveland, and I feel much better now.” That made me laugh and thus less angry about him being a Giant. I don’t think I can remember a single game he pitched for us, though.
With the Deion Sanders trade, for some reason I was convinced that David McCarty was going to turn into a good player, so I was more excited by him than Sanders. LOL me.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
also Ricky Pikcett
Who was a minor league reliever we got in the Deion Sanders trade. In 1995, he had a 2.79 ERA and 92 K in 67.2 IP, and I remember seeing that and thinking he could be our next closer.
Looking back now, I see he also had 53 walks in those 67.2 IP.
My player evaluation skills were kind of flawed in the mid-90s, I guess.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
I was all about the RIBEYES so you were ahead of me.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
I dunno
If you search Google Groups really carefully, you can find a post from me on alt.sports.baseball.sf-giants in 1996 arguing that the Giants should re-sign Shawon Dunston because he has a good throwing arm, he hustles, and he’s hitting .300.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
He had a cannon! Wasn’t accurate at all, but a cannon!
Is there any way Bill Mueller puts up those #‘s in today’s game and gets traded for Tim Worrell?
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
I loved Bill Mueller. :( I was a fan of his since he was a minor leaguer – when my grandfather died in 1995, I inherited his Baseball America subscription, and was very enamored with his .300 hitting, after the post-Matt Williams dearth of Giants position playing prospects.
Broke my heart when they traded him for a freaking relief pitcher. Even worse than when they did the same thing with Mark Carreon.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
The replacements that weren’t supposed to be. Carreon filled in at first where JR Phillips and Todd Benzinger couldn’t. He wasn’t the Thrill, but thank God he wasn’t either of those two.
I never understood why the traded Mueller. By that time he was a fan favorite.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
One night shortly after the Bill Mueller trade I was a little tipsy at a bar in SF. I ran into a sportscaster from FSN or whatever it was called back then. I told him how pissed I was about the trade. He said the Giants didn’t want to pay Mueller. I told him that was bullshit and stormed off.
WWRWD?
There were other mid-90s first base failures too! Don’t forget Desi Wilson, Dan Peltier, Steve Scarsone, and David McCarty.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
on second thought, you might want to forget those guys.
I actually liked Desi Wilson during his call up (I remember him hitting a double against the Dodgers), but looking back there really wasnt much to like.
WWRWD?
As I recall he hit .300 for a while after getting called up. Of course, it was a completely empty .300, and an SSS…but a lot of us were dumb enough (and desparate enough for a decent first baseman) to be fooled.
Same thing happened with Dan Peltier, actually.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
ha. I was a big fan of him in the early days, too!
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
To me fair, it wasn’t exactly unreasonable to love the Jason Schmidt trade or the Ellis Burks trade. Dude ripped people off in trades more than once back then.
Apparently the league eventually figured him out, though.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
I liked Darryl Hamilton. :(
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
I liked him too
But I was super excited about Burks.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
also, Hamilton is in this photo
which, was far as I can tell, is the only photo on the Internet of Sabean in the 90s, when he looked like a different person than he does now:
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
and it's cut off in narrow view
But Dusty has a pretty hilarious sweater in that photo.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Hamilton appears to be the only person in the photo capable of dressing himself.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
I’m trying to imagine what I was dressed like around the time of this photo. Senior year for me.
I’m guessing purple hair, plain white shirt with the sleeves cut off, doc martens, and maybe a flannel buttoned up to the top.
But yeah, LOL SABES
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
junior year for me
Long, stringy hair, partially dyed black. Black jeans, steel toed Doc Martens. Black t-shirt.
Voila:
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
I love this photo.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 8:17 PM PST up reply actions
speaking of the 1994 Giants
I was looking at the roster from that year and was going to add Kent Bottenfield as a player I don’t remember as a Giant at all.
But looking closer, I see he pitched in 1 game, 1.2 IP. And in that time he gave up 5 hits.
So maybe that’s why.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Was he not at one point a part of a Ken (Kent?) Hill trade?
/googles
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
I dunno
But he was once traded for Jim Edmonds.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
With Adam Kennedy!
1994 Giants: The Mark Portugal Era. The Thrill is gone.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
I always forget Kennedy was part of that trade
At the time Bottenfield was coming off by far his best year (his only good year as a starter, really) and Kennedy was a 24 year old who had barely played in the Majors, so Edmonds-for-Bottenfield was definitely the headline.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
I always remember because Jim Edmonds was a few rows away from me when something happened in 2002 and Adam Kennedy and the rest of the Angels and some monkey infected with rabies were dancing around in celebration.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
Ahem
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
And how can you forget this?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
there was once a blog called BlastingsThrilledge.com
His baseball career may have been forgettable, but his rap career produced a true classic called “Bend Ya Kneez”
by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 23, 2011 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
I can’t think of many things that rhyme with Harper that he’d be happy with. LARPer?
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
Sharper
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
You don’t know the half of it; he keeps calling my house at 3:00 a.m. to ask if he can be my co-host.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Because when you do it, you’re standing in my kitchen.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
I would probably have no problem with that whatsoever.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
And he makes them with his penis.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
To be fair, Wale does that with sports players all the time
One of his songs has the lyric “I remain a Giant and you Jeremy Shockey.”
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
BRUCE CHEN?
SI_JonHeyman Bruce chen to sign with #royals for $9M plus $1M roster bonus plus $1M in incentives
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
LOL ROYALS
Maybe they were getting their aging Panamanian pitchers confused and thought they were signing Mariano Rivera.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Timmy is going to get $40 million in arb
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Is that 1 or 2 years?
he had 1.7 WAR last year… 9-11 mil for 1 year would be like a 2.5 WAR player, give or take? For 2 years, 1.5 WAR a year is about right.
by Myemail21479 on Nov 23, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
2 years of Bruce Chen in his mid-30s.
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Remember, he's a #1 starter
When you look at it that way, this is a nice bargain.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
almost as good as
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Eli Blackside?
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by stealth snail on Nov 23, 2011 6:16 PM PST up reply actions
I'm spending too much time on MCC again.
I’m back to trying to z through Twitter.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
Wait until you try to do it with your work e-mail.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
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Dear Raul Ibanez
ACCEPT THE OFFER! Even if you made a gentleman’s agreement not to. ACCEPT THE PHILLIES’ OFFER!
LOL
He made 12.1 mil last year. Wonder how much it could possibly go down.
by Myemail21479 on Nov 23, 2011 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
Also going to be 40
How many years will people actually sign him for?
by Myemail21479 on Nov 23, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
weird they'd make the offer
I mean, he’s turning 40 before the 2012 all-star break, is an incredibly wretched defender, and the Phillies don’t seem to need an outfielder. I guess they must have no faith whatsoever in Domonic Brown?
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Ibanez is a type B
so maybe a pick?
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if I were him I'd have to imagine I'd take the offer
I mean, it’s not like he’s going to get a multi-year deal elsewhere or anything.
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I’m amused by how much they seem to hate Brown, in the same way other fans probably are by the Giants and Belt.
The first six innings are overrated.
Baseball America ranked him the #4 prospect in baseball prior to 2011. His 2011 was somewhat disappointing, though even still, he had a 97 OPS+ in the majors.
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Which is 6 points better than Ibanez’s 2011 OPS+. The Phillies are weird.
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/hands out seven more $100 million contracts just for the fuck of it.
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He also had the hand injury at the start of the year.
It just seemed like any trade rumors involving the Phillies always had them offering up Brown, like they could afford to give up young position players with potential.
The first six innings are overrated.
After the Phillies traded for Hunter Pence without including Domonic Brown in the package, GM Ruben Amaro Jr. told the Philadelphia media, unequivocally, “I got 400,000 calls asking me about Domonic Brown and he was not available. Other people can think whatever they want, but he was not available.”
But Rumblings was told by officials of three different clubs the Phillies WERE willing to talk about Brown in the “right” deal — namely, in the words of one of those officials, “for the right guy, for a certain length of time, [as in] not just for this year.” An executive of another one of those clubs said, flatly, “They would have been open to trading him. In fact, I still think they would rather have traded Brown than the kid they traded [Jonathan Singleton].”
The Philadelphia Inquirer reported the Astros were under the impression they could have substituted Brown for Singleton in the Pence trade. So if this guy wasn’t available, the teams on the other end of the phone didn’t get that memo.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 23, 2011 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
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Phillies fans seem to think he’s a poor defender. I’ve read many comments from them on this issue.
Here’s a comment from HBT:
Oh yeah, I agree. Brown would be an offensive upgrade over Ibanez. He might not get as many extra base hits, but he would make up for it by not making as many outs. Ibanez is bad in the field but Brown was worse. Ibanez at least has corner outfield instincts. He just can’t get to balls others can and his arm has faded. Brown frequently takes bizarre routes and is prone to screwing up the play once he gets there. That would be my concern. If he got upgrade to bad defensively from shockingly awful, I think the job would be his.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 23, 2011 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
You are undervaluing Ibanez
ORLANDO, Fla. — When asked to assess Raul Ibanez’ 2010 season Thursday before leaving the GM meetings, Ruben Amaro Jr. made an interesting unsolicited comparison by bringing free-agent right fielder Jayson Werth into the discussion.
“(Ibanez) was still a pretty productive player and … his numbers are not all that different from Jayson’s last year,” the Phillies general manager said. "What did (Ibanez) have, 83 RBIs? Jayson had 85. (Ibanez) didn’t have as many opportunities as Jayson did to drive in runs.
“Clearly, Jayson had more runs scored and his on-base percentage and stuff were better, but (Ibanez) had 37 doubles and five triples or something like that. The difference in their production was not all that great.”
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies_zone/Amaro_Jr_Ibanez_almost_as_productive_as_Werth.html#ixzz1eZau1M60
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hahahahahahhahahahaha
Werth: 5.3 WAR (Fangraphs), 5.2 WAR (BR)
Ibanez: 1.7 WAR (Fangraphs), 0.7 WAR (BR)
Nice to know our GM isn’t the only one who says unimaginably stupid things.d
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RIBEYES!!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 23, 2011 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
Normally I would think “well, he’s just defending his guy”, but no, he actually emphasizes that Ibanez is the man.
PLEASE SIGN THIS MAN SO I CAN GET A DRAFT PICK.
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I find it incredibly hard to believe that Brown could be a worse defender than Ibanez.
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It's fun to try and imagine it though.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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Here's an interesting article on Brown and his struggles
http://blogs.mcall.com/bill_white/2011/08/boo-birds-target-domonick-brown-.html
Unfortunately, he also became increasingly tentative and unreliable in right field, where his fielding blunders cost the team some runs. When they traded for rightfielder Hunter Pence, he was shipped back to Lehigh Valley to learn to play left field, mostly in preparation for next season.
Worst of all, he has become one of the worst professional outfielders I’ve ever seen. That talented kid of last season was raw, but you could see the tools he had.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 23, 2011 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
and also
He wasn’t even a good hitter last year.
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Well, I’m off to Alabama for the Thanksgiving weekend. Take care, all.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Putting sliced prime rib from Monday in zip lock bag
and heating it in boiling water to avoid losing juice in microwave
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Your waitress will love this!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 23, 2011 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
She’s probably pretty tired of having jctgamer offer her his meat.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 3:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Interesting
A state Republican legislator has introduced a bill to the Illinois General Assembly to separate the Chicago’s county from the state—effectively making the midwestern city the 51st state in the union.
The bill, filed by State Rep. Bill Mitchell of Decatur Tuesday, would “enact legislation dividing Illinois and Cook County into separate states” because county residents “hold different and firmly seated views” on “politics, society, and economics” from people in the rest of the state. The bill’s supporters point to higher tax rates and strict gun laws in the Chicago area and contend that the northern county is out of step with its Illinois neighbors.
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Ooooh I call precedent!
Secede from LA!!!! And do it NOW!!!!!!!!
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TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
State Legislators making new U.S. States!
LOL Constitution!!!
freaking i-d-i-o-t-s.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 23, 2011 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
best state since
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Franklin
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This is actually the right way of doing that
If the legislature of Illinois approved, Congress would vote on it, and if it had Congress’s approval it would be completed. It’s a stupid idea, but that’s not why.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
state legislator attention whoring is the worst
The first six innings are overrated.
meh, this happens all the time in states with large urban areas
I do enjoy how nakedly political this is. Illinois without Chicagoland would be a viable state (similar to Indiana, really), but you can’t just separate Cook County and leave the suburbs with the rest of the state. That makes no sense.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
I’ve found a surprising amount of resentment from people living in “the real Illinois” towards Chicago/Chicagoans. I really thought I was going to be smack in the middle of Cubs territory in Champaign, but it’s actually more Cardinals territory.
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Yeah, there’s some pretty bitter relations there. Moreso than I’ve seen in other states where liberal urban areas dominate the politics of conservative rural areas.
Still a dumbass idea, though.
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Are there a lot of non-transplants in Champaign? The only other baseball fan I know in that area is a Cubs fan, but he’s from Wheaton.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
I must quibble
effectively making the midwestern city the 51st state in the union.
Not really. The previous line said the bill would separate Chicago’s COUNTY, not the city itself. Cook County != Chicago. Chicago has a population of about 2.7 million, which is a little more than half the population of Cook County (5.1 million). In terms of land area, Chicago is less than 15% of Cook County.
Obviously Chicago would politically dominate such a state, but making Cook County a state would not “effectively make” Chicago a state.
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I don't think that's fair
The boundaries of Chicago make no more sense than the boundaries of any other major American city (San Francisco and New York excepted). Apart from some lines on a map, is there really anything that makes Norwood Park less Chicago than the surrounding areas that are formally considered part of the city?
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Okay, you really just confused me, because there IS a neighborhood in Chicago itself called Norwood Park. But looking on Wikipedia, apparently there’s also a separate township of that name.
Anecdotally, having lived on the Far North Side of Chicago, not far from city limits, the neighborhoods I lived in seemed very different – much more urban or “more Chicago,” if you will – than nearby towns like Skokie or Evanston. That is, of course, my subjective experience.
Also, New York’s borders are pretty arbitrary. I mean, Staten Island? Really?
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Okay, Staten Island is kind of arbitrary
But the other four boroughs certainly belong.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
A lot of folks from Brooklyn would disagree with that for sure.
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anyway
I’d say ultimately all of these distinctions are arbitrary. But they still exist, and the city of Chicago is still a different thing from Cook County.
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LOL GOP
Talk about gerrymandering. They are getting worse at that. I remember one doofus trying to split Imperial county and the area from California.
by Myemail21479 on Nov 23, 2011 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
We don't really see much of him ruling, though
As an aside, I always wondered how he was a king. He’s in the Earth kingdom and under the Earth king. He’s just a lesser king? King of that one city? That’s weird.
Was he conquered? Does he pay tribute to the Earth king? That’s certainly not how he was portrayed.
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I think the Earth King was really just the King of Ba Sing Se. It was the largest Earth Kingdom settlement.
Also the most protected.
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The “Earth King” was also clearly kept in ignorance about many things, including the actual scope of his own power.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
He knew he had generals!
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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It could be that the Earth King is only really the king of Ba Sing Se. By the time they meet him, is Ba Sing Se the only free city?
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by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
But wasn't he called the "Earth King" before Bumi surrendered to the Fire Nation?
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Yes
but I think that was his title because he had the largest Earth Kingdom city.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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True. It could just be a logical error.
I could come up with possibilities all day, though.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
I might, for instance, suggest that Bumi was crazy enough to simply assert his own sovereignty.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, that's a possibility too
I’m just curious. It’s not annoying to me. I just would like to know how he was a king.
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We see him rule a little, at least, with the surrender. I’ve been skeptical about the wisdom there for a while. It’s not clear that surrender actually helped the people of Omashu.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
Stopped a potentially bloody and destructive battle before it started.
His philosophy was “wait for the right moment”. He knew the universe would work it out for him. Aang showed up and got his people out without any harm or fighting, then was able to take back his city single-handedly.
Not saying it was his plan from the get-go, but it worked out.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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Where was it the civilians escaped to, though? And even with his surrender, the resistance was still battling without his support, and the Fire Nation was still messing with his citizens. So he let his armies fight without him and he left his citizens to the whims of violent rulers, and then when the time was right he let all of them be completely displaced from their homes indefinitely.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe that’s a cynical reading, though.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
WHY DO YOU HATE KING BUMI?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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HE NEEDLESSLY THREATENED THE LIVES OF KATARA AND SOKKA!
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by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
IT WAS ROCK CANDY
THERE WAS NEVER ANY THREAT
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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ROCK CANDY KILLS
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by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 8:18 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, I think I have the name of my band.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 8:18 PM PST up reply actions
I imagine the thinking was something along these lines
If we surrender, there’s no battle. No deaths (military or civilian). No destruction of his city. And he was apparently confident that, with his city safely secure, the Fire Nation would turn its attention to the much larger city and prize and forget about little old Bumi, who wasn’t such a big deal over all.
Realistic? One could quibble. But as far as what a king’s job is (to see to the welfare of his people), I’d say he did a great job.
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Welcome to my new adopted Giant, Carlos Beltran. Well, actually, you're more like a foreign exchange student staying at my house for the summer. Regardless, win us a world series! ...ormaybe a game or two.
One more OT:
Kyle Baddley learned this the hard way earlier this month, when his wife Alyse got frustrated by his constant Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 playing and offered him up to the highest bidder on Craigslist.
“I am selling my 22 year old husband,” the ad read. “He enjoys eating and playing video games all day. Easy to maintain, just feed and water every 3-5 hours. You must have Internet and space for gaming. Got tired of waiting so free to good home. If acceptable replacement is offered will trade.”
Okay, which one of you is Alyse?
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Not me
I set a hard rule of no more than 30 minutes of gaming a day if GF is around and is not playing with you. Sometimes we play Mario together.
by Myemail21479 on Nov 23, 2011 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
Out to chop some wood. Hopefully my new username isn’t Lefty next we chat.
Have a happy holiday to those in the US. Handegg and drumsticks for everyone.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
Out to chop some wood.
Hopefully not with your brother Clifford.
Happy Holiday!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 23, 2011 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
XXX
cantpredictball YCPB
If a player homered and singled every five plate appearances for an entire season, he still would OPS lower than Barry Bonds in 2004.
Keep in mind, over 600 PAs, that would be 120 homers and a 1.000 slugging.
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
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120 IBB in 617 PA
1 in 5 PA was IBB, that is insane
by Myemail21479 on Nov 23, 2011 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
I saw that season with my own eyes and still don’t believe half of the stats that came out of it.
The first six innings are overrated.
Yet he is not getting into the HOF because of hall voters' self righteousness
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
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Well.
None of them EVER did anything even remotely unethical or anything. HOF voters have such a high sense of morality they wouldn’t even take a paperclip home from work!!!
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
The leader in hits isn’t in. The leader in home runs isn’t in. Is it really a museum about baseball?
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
My favorite thing in the HOF is the little dioramas of all the parks that have been in the league. They’re really cool. That and Bernie Williams’ bat from the 1996 ALCS when he won the MVP.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I’ve never been. I’m jealous.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
I've been once
In the early 90s, I think. It was pretty cool.
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I wanna go.
:(
I have been to the Hockey Hall of Fame though. Twice.
Something may be wrong with me.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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The American one.
Not the Toronto one.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
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Eveleth, Minnesota
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I lived in Western Massachusetts for a year, and we used to drive by the Basketball Hall of Fame frequently. It’s spectacularly ugly. From the outside, anyway. We never went in.
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In 2008, Toby Gerhart hit .240/.400/.496 for Stanford. I kind of love that line.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
On the subject of Domonic Brown
Brown planned to attend the University of Miami to play wide receiver for the Hurricanes, but the Phillies offered him a $200,000 signing bonus to choose baseball instead.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 23, 2011 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
I think the point kinda got away from the author a bit here
And it is here that bird pardoning lore moves from speculation to historical fact, for in 1989 George Herbert Walker Bush had the honor of becoming the first president to formally issue a pardon to a turkey—an innovative leadership move that no doubt helped to secure his legacy. Since Bush Senior, every president has participated annually in this strange ritual—which held special pleasure for presidents Clinton and George W. Bush, each of whom embraced the event as an occasion for the kind of political theater that offered welcome distraction from the kind of political theater that occupied them at all other times. It seemed to me that President Clinton always shot his birds an amorous look while pardoning them, and his uncharacteristic restraint in looking but not touching may have been indirectly attributable to our old friend William Bradford, who, in his seventeenth-century page turner, Of Plymouth Plantation, carefully documented the execution of one of his fellow Pilgrims for the unpardonable sin of sodomizing a turkey. Bradford’s troubling account leaves me with three questions: Can there be anything more disgusting than having sex with poultry? How, exactly, would you go about doing it, anyway? And, finally, is this really something you ought to kill a guy for?
The first six innings are overrated.
ok, this whole thing is pretty great
http://www.orionmagazine.org/index.php/articles/article/6471/
Now if Ben Franklin had won the argument, and the turkey had become our national symbol, the case might be different. You may recall that Ben, whom many consider the true Father of our Country, argued that the bald eagle made a poor national symbol because "he is a bird of bad moral character." This, incidentally, from a man who advocated choosing for a mistress an older woman because "there is no hazard of children, which irregularly produced may be attended with much inconvenience"; who invented bifocals so he might focus on prostitutes both up close and from slightly farther away; and who is credited with proffering the timeless verity that "beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
The first six innings are overrated.
hahaha
TrippingOlney Not Buster Olney
GRADY SIZEMORE MAKES HISTORY BY BECOMING THE FIRST PERSON EVER TO GET THE CHANCE TO LEAVE CLEVELAND BUT REFUSE IT.
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
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I bet if we throw 1 billion dollars funding at this
It will happen within 5 years
http://mashable.com/2011/11/22/terminator-contact/
The finished lens was tested on an anesthetized rabbit with no ill effects — though no one has asked the rabbit for comment.
lol
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
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Torchwood lenses !
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by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
Wait, AROD and Monica Brant!?
If you are unfamiliar with Monica Brant, She can kick your ass.
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
Well, to be fair, most women could kick my ass.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
I’m not sure if those are boobs or chest biceps.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
In actual baseball news
Nakajima officially posted by the Seibu Lions. Rumor out of the Far East is that the Giants are at least interested
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SWOOP SABEZ
I'm on the twitters @FFFFFFFFreak55
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Before I even look at a giants lineup I'm already thinking LOLBELT
WHY IS CABRERA?!?!
The 2011 San Francisco Giants: comprised of extraordinary pitching and a black hole of suck that is their offense
by Falconer88 on Nov 23, 2011 4:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
He is not Nishioka that's for sure
Much better lift on the ball. Question will be if he can hit MLB breaking stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD_3zgKA-UE&feature=player_embedded#!
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
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How can you not want this
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
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It’s actually sort of awesome that the sword glare is the only clear light source in that photo.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
He’s probably too much risk for the money, but I’d love to get a decent shortstop out of Japan!
WHY IS MELKY
Mayor of Smug.
They're speculating that due to poor performances by Nishioka, Nakajima's posting fee will be 1-2M
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
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I think if you can get him for basically Nishioka money like 3M posting and 3M/ year
I’d roll the dice on Nakajima than giving 10.5M to Clint Barmes.
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
Clint Barmes
signed with the Pirates, right?
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yes
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
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Well, between him and Rod Barajas, they’ll definitely finally finish over .500.
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Nishioka was only $9 million/3, with a $5.3 posting fee and a $4 million club option for a fourth year
Pretty cheap expenditure overall and his awful 2011 probably lowered the bar for Nakajima.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 23, 2011 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
I mean, if Nakajima ended up with something similar, that'd basically be a shortstop for 5 million a year
He wouldn’t have to be that great to justify it, and he’s a much more consistent hitter for his career than Nishioka.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 23, 2011 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
Nishioka's 2011 is basically a throw away imo
I mean he broke his leg like 6 games into the season.
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Oh yeah, he can't be NEARLY as bad as he looked
But still, 506 PAs at .241/.298/.269? That’s Manny Burriss territory.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 23, 2011 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
That’s a territory no one wants
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by CalBear949 on Nov 23, 2011 5:21 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
So if he tries really hard he might be Orlando Cabrera territory?
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by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
Crawfordian.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Well OK.
But he’s gonna be 28, and has had OPS’s of at least 896 for the past three years in a league that’s probably a little better than AAA.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I’m not arguing against him in the long term, just trying to correctly paint a picture of just how bad he was last year.
WHY IS MELKY
Mayor of Smug.
Wait, what?
I thought we were talking about Nakajima.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I think this subthread was Nishioka haha
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
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Yikes
I got all mixed up.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
If he costs less than 15 or 20 and you can get him for 3 years or whatever
Why not.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Led the league in OBP 2 out of the last 4 years iirc
lifetime .370 OBP with 2:1 K/BB ratio
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His consistency, statistically, is wonderful
And not that old either. Sameish age as Reyes. Put me in the “want” column.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
His stats, if anyone is interested
They’re good.
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/profile.asp?P=/Hiroyuki-Nakajima.shtml
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Ah, right, I forgot they have japanese league stuff now
IIRC, they didn’t used to, and baseball cube was the best place to get ’em.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
College stats, my friend.
Baseball Cube is very useful ’round draft time.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Then again, college stats are by far the least helpful of all stats. Better than nothing, though, I suppose.
WHY IS MELKY
Mayor of Smug.
Paul DePodesta objects.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
College stats
PING
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
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And for whatever reason, B-R doesn't have 'em before 07
Which doesn’t really matter, because Nakajima had a couple seasons before that just like most of the other ones he’s had since.
Pretty consistent player. That’s the appeal.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Also in baseball news
Furcal was not offered arbitration by the cards via mlbtr. I would be interested in a short-term deal 1 or 2 years
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Before I even look at a giants lineup I'm already thinking LOLBELT
WHY IS CABRERA?!?!
The 2011 San Francisco Giants: comprised of extraordinary pitching and a black hole of suck that is their offense
by Falconer88 on Nov 23, 2011 4:42 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Rafael Furcal
was the first real star in the Majors who was younger than me. At least the first I noticed. That freaked me out: it was one of those “holy shit I’m getting old” milestones.
Then it turned out he’s actually 2 1/2 years older than me.
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baseball players who share names with fish
Mike Trout
Tim Salmon
Kevin Bass
Any others?
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Chris Ray
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Welcome to my new adopted Giant, Carlos Beltran. Well, actually, you're more like a foreign exchange student staying at my house for the summer. Regardless, win us a world series! ...ormaybe a game or two.
Nice.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Are rays technically fish? Hm, wikipedia things so, at least.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Mike Trout's favorite player growing up was Derek Jeter
I should not be made to feel this old at my current age.
The first six innings are overrated.
Is Adrian Beltre still the only player who actually got younger?
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
this is pretty funny
http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2011/11/arnold-schwarzenegger-doesnt-understand.php
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I like how he just thinks that all of the characters are him.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
Or, I mean, just the one character.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
But he talks about it like it was a bunch of stuff that actually happened to him.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
Wait what?
@JoseCanseco: I accept shaqs challenge to fight him let’s get it on .
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
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Wow, one of the McCoven got piled on hard in the Community AV Club thing.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
What?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
huh?
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Looking around….nothing to see here….
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 23, 2011 8:17 PM PST up reply actions
Does anyone know what happened to these cute creatures?
I always loved reading about the Water Dogs, and wonder if you guys still use Team B.A.R.K.!
(picture below)
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Nov 23, 2011 5:44 PM PST reply actions
here;
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Nov 23, 2011 5:44 PM PST up reply actions
they didn’t last very long. I’m not sure why exactly but it might have to do with how popular it is among some fans to kayak out in the cove and retreive the HR balls for themselves.
WWRWD?
Hmmm...
Maybe it was Barry. Thanks for the info, though!
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Nov 23, 2011 5:57 PM PST up reply actions
IIRC
The dogs (with Father Guido Sarducci!) were only at the ballpark on Sunday afternoon games, leaving the cove to kayaks, surfboards, and the like on Saturday and night games. Sunday’s they’d block off an area for the dogs, but they NEVER got a HR hit out there. I think due to weather conditions “splash hits” were much more prevalent on night games, and after a few months of waiting for a HR ball for the dogs…they pulled the plug on the experiment.
—Lefty (??) what was that dumb iron guy along the RF wall who was always boo’d?
—Water Dogs
hopefully we can add fist-pump-cam to that list of promotions gone bye-bye.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 23, 2011 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
RUSTY
that was it.
Everyone hated that piece of metal.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 23, 2011 7:07 PM PST up reply actions
and Bonds tended to be off on Sundays.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
That wasn’t a factor in 2000. Bonds played every home Sunday game but 2, despite playing in “only” 143 games.
I believe it was ’03 when BLB started making a habit of taking Sundays off.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 23, 2011 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
Oh Fuck.
Cesar Izturis is looking for a Major League deal and has drawn interest from several teams, according to Dan Connolly of the Baltimore Sun (on Twitter). The infielder won’t be re-signing with the Orioles, according to Connolly.
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Alex Gonzalez
not offered arbitration by the Braves either.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 23, 2011 7:05 PM PST up reply actions
was AnVil convicted? no. Know why not? nope, wasn't there. Everything is just speculation.
I’ll get over it. time to move on.
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
Flags Fly Forever
"Orlando before Zod" doesn't have the same nice ring to it.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 23, 2011 5:49 PM PST reply actions
Doesn't mean he didn't do it.
Doesn’t mean he did, but doesn’t mean he didn’t.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Is this one of them political slogans?
That’s a lot of words to say absolutely nothing.
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I'm just saying
The fact that he wasn’t convicted, especially in a place with such an iffy justice system, doesn’t really have much bearing on whether or not he did it.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Thus the original comment that everything is speculation
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by CalBear949 on Nov 23, 2011 6:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Either he’s dead. Or alive. The cops got him. Or they don’t.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
One of my favorites.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Doctors. Teachers. Mid-90s Giants. The judicial process. Furcal.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
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Jctgamer’s meat and the new MLB draft rules
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by CalBear949 on Nov 23, 2011 6:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Matt Smith of Dr Who fame splits up with his girlfriend
The headline in the British press:
SEXTERMINATE!
I need to emigrate
Sundrendy!
they’ve been fighting in public a lot, or so said the tabloid. Guessing posing in Playboy didn’t do much for him and talking about moving to Hollywood didn’t do much for her
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 23, 2011 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
Matt Smith posed in Playboy? I knew I shouldn’t have canceled that subscription!
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 8:20 PM PST up reply actions
Okay, I never had a subscription.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 8:21 PM PST up reply actions
HIs ex-girlfriend and daughter-by-another-marriage-to Gwen Stefani Daisy Lowe did
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 23, 2011 9:04 PM PST up reply actions
He probably wants to hook with Tom Baker's daughter or something.
/Disclaimer: I have no idea if he has a daughter.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
She’s been dating her photographer since she was 17, so no. And, yes, it’s amazing what you can find out when restraining orders are filed
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 24, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
I saw Sandoval got one 7th place vote and one 8th. The 7th place vote came from a Giants beat writer.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
UGH
Rebecca Black is back
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
When will the Giants arbinfo
Wilber Bucardo: Missing?
by gianator on Nov 23, 2011 7:22 PM PST via mobile reply actions
LangoschMLB Jenifer Langosch
The #Pirates have offered arbitration to Derrek Lee, declined it to Chris Snyder and Ryan Ludwick
So, Sabes sends a contract to Ludwick tomorrow?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I understand — perhaps incorrectly — that Villalona’s family paid money to the victim’s family to drop the whole thing. So his own family may not be as impoverished as we suppose the average resident of the Dominican Republic to be.
It may be that in the Dominican Republic, the concept of weregild is as prevalent as it was in early Germanic society.
There’s a book called “Screwball” that this discussion very naturally suggested to my mind.
Written by David Ferrell and published in 2003, it is a fictitious story about a Boston Red Sox general manager who has acquired the greatest baseball player in the history of the world, a pitcher-outfielder (reminiscent of a “dark” version of an early Babe Ruth) named “Kane” (what a choice of surname!), who is also a psychotic serial killer.
The GM and a cohort go to outlandish lengths to protect him and they tell themselves and they are doing it for humane reasons — it just wouldn’t be fair to turn him over to the law and deprive long-suffering Red Sox fans of their first real shot at a world title since 1918.
Certainly, the book asks the old question — in a baseball setting — of what doth it profit a man to gain the world if the process causes him to lose his soul. But I don’t think that’s quite the situation here.
As long as the Giants themselves did not play any role in the administration of justice, I have no moral concerns. Well, not too many.
Ty Cobb is known to have stabbed a waiter in Philadelphia, and the Tommy Lee Jones movie suggests that he outright murdered someone else. Cesar Cedeno, I believe, wound up with a dead woman in his hotel room.
And O.J. — well, what is there to be said about him? He was found to be civilly liable for an act that would have required some premeditation. Villalona’s actions sound more like an act of passion. O.J. had already retired from the game anyway, so it’s not like he ever got to hear the roar of the crowd afterward.
These guys are performers and not role models. If Villalona was legally cleared by the authorities in his own country, there is no reason to deprive him of the ability to make a living and to give him a chance perhaps to pay something back to his community — and to leave his ultimate judgment up to God.
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Nov 23, 2011 7:31 PM PST reply actions
It may be that in the Dominican Republic, the concept of weregild is as prevalent as it was in early Germanic society.
I’ve certainly never heard of anything to that effect.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
It’s a mysterious world, Hispaniola! We may never know!
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
Or maybe it came from here
In August 2006, the Giants signed Villalona with a club-record $2.1 million signing bonus.
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I wonder if we offer arb to Cody.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
When do they announce arbitration offers?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
They're supposed to make them before 11 PM EST
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
oops
CST…so we’ve got an hour or so.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
This is how this website influences me
I saw a Muppets Movie commercial where The Chef is chasing a turkey. In my head, all I heard was “Bork! Bork! Bork!”.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Maybe he’s PMS, the boy seems cranky.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Over on FTF
They’re saying he’s getting more minutes than Vlassic or Burns. WTF?
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I’ve got 100 more words for my NaNo for tonight so I’m only kinda watching.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
How's it going for you?
I’m so far behind…
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
I’m hoping tonight to get to 32500
35000 by Friday…
I don’t think I’m going to make it.
but we’ll see.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Nice!
I…am not quite at 30000 yet. Eep. But I’m hoping to just do what I can for the next few days and then pound the rest out in utter panic at the end. We’ll see, as you said.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
I really have to be done before the 30th. I have a job interview on the 30th that will take up much of my day. I’m guessing I’ll be too tired by the time I get home to really get anything done on it. Except perhaps turn the thing in if a get it done.
I was thinking of renaming one of the main characters “Selena of the Forest Green who Lives by the Blue and Tranquil Lake North of the Waterfall” and NEVER using a shortened version of her name.
Find and replace < Jane > with < Selena of the Forest Green who Lives by the Blue and Tranquil Lake North of the Waterfall >
Oh, and deciding that maybe several characters should start EVERY utterance with “Well I’ll be ding dang doodled, you don’t say…”
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Oof. That's rough.
I’ll have school the 30th, but nothing more than normal.
Have your characters eat out a lot. And they don’t order hamburgers, they order the House Classic Chopped Beef Patty on Homemade Bread with Swiss here, except make that extra mild cheddar please, with a rasberry iced tea no ice. Etc.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
Of course I have a 10 page history paper due the 29th, so this next week should be interesting.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
Brian Jacques corrupted me as a child, I have no problem with overly-detailed gratuitous descriptions of food. Nom nom nom.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
Started Tales of the Otori
I’m about 200 pages into the first book. It’s funny, it kind of…snuck up on me. I never really had an “OMG THIS IS BRILLIANT!” moment as I was reading it but then I found myself digging it out my backpack to squint at while trying to use my jacket as an umbrella, during the whole minute and a half in which I was waiting for a ride.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
JohnSheaHey John Shea
No surprise, but #SFGiants are not offering arbitration to Pat Burrell and Cody Ross. Contractually, they can’t offer it to Carlos Beltran.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Rainy Day Fund wins!
extrabaggs Andrew Baggarly
Giants still could re-sign Ross. But if another club signs him, Giants won’t get a compensatory draft pick. Ross is Type B.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I think they prolly shoulda offered Ross arb
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Agreed.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
mlbtraderumors MLB Trade Rumors
Yankees, Freddy Garcia Nearing Deal bit.ly/u2BSYS #mlb
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
WTH was that non-call on Marleau??
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
boooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Looks like it was just the type a / b freeagents that were announced
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/san_francisco_giants/index.html
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I seriously doubt that Villalona ever has a MLB career to speak of
He wasn’t exactly a picture of health and fitness before all of this. A few years away from the game is going to be a hell of a lot to overcome
by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 23, 2011 9:49 PM PST reply actions
GET A GOAL DAMMIT
I DON’T WANT THIS GOING INTO OVERTIME!!!!!!
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
sheeesh
all that and only 1 goal scored.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I would like to think that not offering ross some how mean they are serious about beltran
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Nov 23, 2011 10:05 PM PST reply actions
I would like to think this as well, but I believe nothing until it happens.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I would like to think that you and I both thinking that means that it will happen
i think
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Nov 23, 2011 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
yeah that’s what I want to see Melky and Beltran in the outfield… together… at the same time… oy.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
could be worse
i see this lineup in our future
cf-melky
2b-sanchez
3b-pablo
rf-beltran
1b-posey
lf-huff
ss-crawford
c-whiteside
huff-melky-beltran on posey’s rest days
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Nov 23, 2011 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
the one i take to make me forget the outfield defense
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Nov 23, 2011 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
Sup Nerds. What happened today?
I broke my left index finger yesterday which has been making typing a chore but I miss MCC already.
by WhatsAMataHari on Nov 23, 2011 11:51 PM PST reply actions
I am very sad that I missed out on this thread
Best wishes from beautiful Colorado!
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
so i have a question
im gonna come home from italy after a semester abroad on dec 16th. Im looking to buy a video game…should I get skyrim?
depends on what you like doesn’t it – what type of game you like to play?
We enjoyed Uncharted3
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
i absolutely loved fallout 3, so im not adverse to huge RPG's
im also thinking about arkham city.
and i would get uncharted 3 if i had a ps3, but i have an xbox360
get skyrim!!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
HAPPY THANKSGIVING!
Eat well and be safe!
Go Miners!
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Nov 24, 2011 7:13 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Ahhhhh!!!
Stupid autocorrect.
Go Niners.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Nov 24, 2011 7:14 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Amazingly, Miners would work almost as well.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Not Yourers!
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 24, 2011 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
Happy thanksgiving everyone!
GO NINERS!!
I'm on the twitters @FFFFFFFFreak55
2010: TGWTWS One of the most unbelievable, impossible, magic-packed amazing years of my life.
Before I even look at a giants lineup I'm already thinking LOLBELT
WHY IS CABRERA?!?!
The 2011 San Francisco Giants: comprised of extraordinary pitching and a black hole of suck that is their offense
by Falconer88 on Nov 24, 2011 8:26 AM PST via mobile reply actions
GO NOT RAVENS!!!
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Nov 24, 2011 8:29 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
OT hopefully not banned subject
Anyone use online sports betting or have a recommendation. I know bodog used to be good. In honor of the thanksgiving games, I wanted to put some action on the games.
So, we go to the video store to check out the first three Star Wars films. They are out of all of them except for A New Hope. And after lots of discussion we leave the video store with——the first four episodes?! How did that happen?? Grrr.
WHY IS MELKY
Mayor of Smug.
You better
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
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