Madison Bumgarner is Probably Even Better Than You Think
I recently got really interested in more in-depth baseball stats and wrote this about Madison Bumgarner, perhaps my second favorite Giant to Matt Cain. I figured I'd see what you guys think.
I'm sure everyone on McCovey knows about MadBum but I still believe he is relatively unknown for the caliber of pitcher he is, especially after his terrible beginning to the season. Even those who know that he's awesome might not realize exactly how awesome he is. After the beginning of this season when he went 3-9 with a 4.06 ERA including the June 21st meltdown where he posted 8 ERs in a third of an inning it's not hard to blame them. Somewhere behind Vogelsong coming out of nowhere and the quasi-playoff chase though, Bumgarner was putting together an amazing season.
A lot of this rather horrific start can be attributed to a very fluky .342 BABIP and the Giants historically bad offense. During this initial stretch Bumgarner received a decision in 12 of the 15 games he started, and in 7 of those games the Giants put up 1 run or less. That's getting Cained pretty hard, even for Cain.
Though his ERA suffered heavily for this his peripherals were all outstanding during that stretch, allowing only 4 home runs in 84.1 IP, which tracks to 10 in a season. His SO/BB ratio stayed very strong at 2.75 while his HR/9 was 6th best in the majors. Adjusting his 93 hits to a more reasonable .300 BABIP yields 81.5, which combined with his 24 walks yields a more acceptable 1.25 WHIP. His FB/HR% might to be a candidate for regression in the coming year but Dave Righetti seems to be some sort of wizard at preventing home runs, as all of San Francisco's starters have consistently low home run rates.Just to quickly delve into Dave Righetti's magical home run-suppresion and also talk about my favorite starter, Matt Cain actually owned the lowest HR/FB% in the majors by nearly a percent and a half at 3.7%. While some would quickly attribute this to the fact he plays half his games at AT&T, Cain only had one more home run pitching away than he did at home with five & four, respectively. Bumgarner had twice as many home runs away than he did at home, but still held his season totals to 4 at home and 8 away.
After that terrible start against the Twins he seemed to find a bit more control, and perhaps the whole first third of his season can just be chalked up to sample size and bad luck. His season numbers after the previously mentioned start are truly impressive, throwing 120.1 innings at 2.62 ERA & 1.088 WHIP coupled with a gaudy 5.68 SO/BB ratio.
According to FIP, xFIP, tRA, and SIERA Bumgarner was the 4th, 7th, 7th, and 8th best pitcher in the MLB this last year. The player with the most similar advanced metric rankings and peripherals to him in the 2011 season was Justin Verlander, and he actually had a pretty good year. BABIP is obviously not the only difference between the seasons they had but it does cast a lot of light onto it, Verlander enjoyed a season of .236 BABIP, which is ridiculously unsustainable, while Bumgarner's settled at .322. Part of this is obviously due to park differences, different levels of defensive skill, and random chance, but in the long run BABIP should fluctuate randomly and almost always averages out.
The last remarkable thing about Bumgarner is the fact that he just turned 22 in August and has already put up a 5.5 WAR season. The Giants have him under team control until 2017 and should see him be far and away the best WAR/$ pitcher in their rotation at least until he hits arbitration. Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain obviously make a formidable duo but the next few years might see Bumgarner become the best pitcher on an already outstanding staff.
I think Bumgarner will hover around a 3.00 ERA in 2012, get close to 200 K's and improve his already ridiculous SO/BB ratio. Regardless, I'm glad we have him for at least 5 more years.
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I’m sure not that not many people here were blown away with the fact that Bumgarner is good, but looking at his peripherals really did surprise me. I knew he got hosed this season but the extent of it was impressive.
I also wrote this to annoy my friend that’s an Angels fan and tried to tell me Dan Haren was a better pitcher than him. Which… nope.
by Nick Cerami on Nov 22, 2011 12:33 AM PST up reply actions
Better pitcher than he ;)
I tend to take most stock in the peripherals, meaning that Madison is probably actually worse than I think, in that my hopeful enthusiasm permits me to expect those peripherals to be sustained and perhaps improved upon over the next couple of years.
Unfortunately, pitchers don’t really develop the way position players do as they age.
Why would you say “than he” in this case? Dan Haren is the subject of that clause; Madison Bumgarner is the object.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Bumgarner’s not the object. “Than” is a conjunction, so the grammatical structure of what comes after the “than” should match what comes before. The repetition of the verb is implied: “Haren was a better pitcher than he [was].”
/is skeptical
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 23, 2011 7:52 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks
Because no one here ever looks at peripherals
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Only the ones win good peripheral vision!
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You're a peripheral visionary!
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
It’s a crime how many great pitching performances were wasted this year because of the pathetic offense. If Sabean doesn’t at least re-sign Carlos Beltran, it’s going to happen again next season. I can see Lincecum losing 1-0 on Opening Day next year, and the stupid sheepish look on Sabean’s face already.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
by rxmeister on Nov 22, 2011 5:38 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I think he might be pretty good eventually.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 22, 2011 7:50 AM PST reply actions
Yeah...he's aiiight.
Very good pitcher, good mental makeup (INTANGIBLES!!!) and how can you not like a guy that buys his wife a cow for a wedding present.
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I think he might outpitch them all, and I can definitely see a 40 year old Bumgarner getting them out with junk and tricks after his arm’s long-gone.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
You forgot the W-L record. With this team about 3-15.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
by rxmeister on Nov 22, 2011 3:24 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
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The last remarkable thing about Bumgarner is the fact that he just turned 22 in August and has already put up a 5.5 WAR season.</blockquote
This. Grant posted a great example of this… I think there have been like 10 seasons by a 21 or younger pitcher with BB/9<2.5 and K/9>7, and over half of them were HOF pitchers. How many pitchers 21 or younger have put up a 5.5 WAR season?
Top fWAR seasons by 21 or younger pitchers (1974-present)
1) Doc Gooden, 20: 9.0
2) Doc Gooden, 19: 8.6
3) Frank Tanana, 21: 7.2
4) Bret Saberhagen, 21: 6.8
5) Fernando Valenzuela, 21: 6.5
6) MadBum, 21: 5.5
7) Fernando Valenzuela, 20: 5.1
8) Doc Gooden, 21: 4.8
9) King Felix, 21: 4.1
10) King Felix, 20: 3.8
11) Roger Clemens, 21: 3.8
12) Brett Anderson, 21: 3.7
13) Ismael Valdez, 21: 3.5
14) Frank Tanana, 20: 3.0
15) Mark Prior, 21: 2.8
16) John Candelaria, 21: 2.7
17) Zack Greinke, 21: 2.6
18) King Felix, 19: 2.6
19) Zack Greinke, 20: 2.2
20) MadBum, 20: 1.9
This is an approximate list. I filtered 21 younger, 1974+, BB/9<3, K/9>6, IP>100 in baseball-reference, then I looked them up by hand in fangraphs, so I could have missed some who didn’t fall in those criteria above but still posted fWar > 1.9. I doubt I missed any of the top-10, though. So, Madbum was the 6th best season all-time by a 21 year old or younger. I guess he was surrounded by Hall-of-Very Good, and not Hall of Famers, hmm…
Top fWAR seasons by 21 or younger pitchers (1974-present)
1) Doc Gooden, 20: 9.0
2) Doc Gooden, 19: 8.6
3) Frank Tanana, 21: 7.2
4) Bret Saberhagen, 21: 6.8
5) Fernando Valenzuela, 21: 6.5
6) MadBum, 21: 5.5
7) Fernando Valenzuela, 20: 5.1
8) Doc Gooden, 21: 4.8
9) Dennis Eckersley, 21: 4.4
10) King Felix, 21: 4.1
11) CC Sabathia, 20: 4.1
12) King Felix, 20: 3.8
13) Roger Clemens, 21: 3.8
14) Brett Anderson, 21: 3.7
15) Ismael Valdez, 21: 3.5
16) Bill Gullickson, 21: 3.4
17) Dontrelle Willis, 21: 3.3
18) Frank Tanana, 20: 3.0
19) CC Sabathia, 20: 2.9
20) Jeremy Bonderman, 21: 2.9
21) Mark Prior, 21: 2.8
22) Dennis Eckersley, 20: 2.8
23) John Candelaria, 21: 2.7
24) Zack Greinke, 21: 2.6
25) King Felix, 19: 2.6
26) Zack Greinke, 20: 2.2
27) Jerome Williams, 21: 2.0
28) MadBum, 20: 1.9
This time I extended the b-ref search to include BB/9<=4.0, The top 8 doesn’t change, but Eck sneaks in at #9 with lots of IP and a high K-rate offsetting his higher BB-rate. Giants fans will notice another wunderkind flameout sneak in at #27.
Yikes! There’s a crapload of arm burnouts on that list!
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Yah, I noticed that too.
A lot of great arms, but not a lot of HOF type longevity. Reaching the majors at an early age for pitchers doesn’t seem as rosy as it is for hitters.
Tom House has been preaching this for years
I think the magic number he says teams should avoid is 200 innings for guys under 24
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Just for comparison: Top 11 hitter seasons 21 or younger by rWAR, 1974+
1) Arod, 20
2) Rickey, 21
3) Griffey, 21
4) Andruw Jones, 21
5) Pujols, 21
6) Stanton, 21
7) Justin Upton, 21
8) Tom Brunansky, 21
9) Arod, 21
10) Claudell Washington, 20
11) Griffey, 20
A lot more HOF’ers, and fewer burnouts.
Shhhhh
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