The #1 Fear of the Offseason
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 21, 2011 1:00 PM PST
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I'll forget about this post when the Giants sign Yuniesky Betancourt to a two-year, $12 million contract. When that happens, I'll act like the fabric of time has split open and the universe is dissolving. There will be no bigger crime against humanity. Just like the world ended after Neifi Perez, so it will after Yuniesky Betancourt.
But he's not really my #1 fear of the offseason. He's the easy answer, the perfect combination of position, non-talent, and Sabean's unusual evaluation of position players. But the difference between Yuni and the fallback option, Brandon Crawford, is about a win? Probably less. Yuni might even be better. I'm pretty sure he's the better hitter, so it's just a matter of how much value Crawford's defense makes up.
As a #1 fear of the offseason, Yuni does fine, but there's a bigger danger lurking. The Giants aren't spending money, ostensibly because they want to lock up their pitching. As far as a stated reason goes, that's a pretty good one. They aren't saving it for a Corvette or a retractable roof over Mays Field -- they're saving it for the players in whom we're incredibly attached and emotionally invested. That's a swell reason to cap the payroll at $130 million for a season, as far as reasons go.
The #1 fear, though, has to do with the Giants' definition of "young pitching" when it comes to locking up their young pitching. I'm terrified of an extension to Brian Wilson at something just a little less than Papelbon money. Terrified.
i like Brian Wilson. Even if he goes to the Dodgers and saves 300 games for them over the next ten seasons, there will always be a chunk of my heart that's calcified with love for Wilson. He saved each of the clinching games in 2010. He's earned some eternal gratitude. Note: I would prefer that he did not go to the Dodgers and save 300 games for them.
And I'm as tired of his omnipresence as any Giants fan can be. As someone who watched all 38 playoff games this year, I heard "THESE MONSTERS ARE STACKED" more than the director of that commercial did. And that director will pay. Soon.
Still, I would rather have a guy like Wilson around than another 110%er who lists hunting and fishing as his favorite offseason activities in the media guide. Wilson's interesting, even if he knows it. He makes the team less dull. He's a goofball, and he's the Giants' goofball. And personality aside, he was exceptionally effective in the 2010 season. He's had his ups and downs as a closer, but considering that he followed Armando Benitez, he was already halfway to capturing the hearts of the fans.
On a team with payroll constrictions, though, he can't possibly be a part of the future. If the Giants want to be quasi-frugal, if they want to hit a certain number when it comes to year-to-year profits, they've forfeited their right to a luxury closer. Committing to Wilson for almost $10 million a season for several seasons would be a miserable allocation of money. Even if you assume that Wilson will be effective despite his declining velocity and horrific walk rate last year -- a huge assumption -- the Giants still can't afford a luxury closer. Luxury closers are for teams that can afford luxuries. The Giants can't afford a real shortstop.
Part of me thinks that the Giants are of a similar mind, and that they'll be looking really closely at how Heath Hembree's season goes. Committing a baleful of cash to a closer, even one who is as marketable as Wilson, is never a great idea, and the Giants have been burned by Benitez and Robb Nen in the recent past.
Another part of me thinks about Jeremy Affeldt, $5 million reliever. There's a decent chance that the Giants will have a $30 million bullpen this season. The front office obviously thinks that it's important to spend chunks and chunks of money to keep the bullpen together. And they're talking about keeping the young pitching together. Say, Wilson's almost young pitching. It's a recipe for waking up and reading that Wilson is signed through 2016 for a lot of clams.
Don't want to read that. Scared that I'm going to read that, even more than Yuni news. Love Wilson, but he doesn't have a place on a team that can't bid for free-agent hitters because of fiduciary concerns. They might not have won the World Series without him, but I'd be willing to gamble that they could win their next one without him, especially for the money he's going to get eventually.
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I can't argue for his efficacy as a pitcher, but I've grown tired of the Brian Wilson marketing schtick
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by Giant Fan in Singapore on Nov 21, 2011 1:04 PM PST reply actions
I love the weirdness of Wilson, but like any good hipster I liked it before he was big.
Back in the early 2010s, pre-beard, when he was making amusing YouTube videos.
by WhatsAMataHari on Nov 21, 2011 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
At this point, he’s not even quirky or anything anymore. It’s all a marketing stunt.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
It was the Taco Bell commercial that finally turned me against him
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by Giant Fan in Singapore on Nov 21, 2011 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
He’s undervalued as a product pitchman: he writes his own scripts.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
He wrote that?
Now I really dislike him.
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by Giant Fan in Singapore on Nov 21, 2011 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
Brian Wilson here for [cleaning product]!
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by Turf_Toe_ on Nov 21, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
New for the holidays!!!
The Brian Wilson Chia beard!!!!
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I'm not sure if you are kidding or not.
But you don’t seem to be. I have 3.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 22, 2011 2:44 AM PST up reply actions
dang
the only way i tried to justify it was “well he is getting paid a bunch of money to say this stupid stuff taco bell wrote up”…
Like most things, his schtick is amusing when he’s doing really well, not so much when your season was meh and was injured. If he turns into Mariano Rivera next year, I’m sure none of us would mind if he appears on Dancing with the Stars
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 21, 2011 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
I"m more worried about Wilson’s health. That boy just ain’t right. Hopefully rest will fix him.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Wilson is not why the Giants didn’t make the playoffs last year…
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That's because Wilson was cheap last year
Paying Wilson lots of money in the future at the expense of offense will keep the Giants out of the playoffs, which is Grant’s point.
$6.5M last year
Not that cheap
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
You're right
Which is why giving him a substantial raise at the cost of fixing the reasons why they didn’t make the playoffs is a bad idea.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 21, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
I get Grant’s point.
I didn’t accuse anyone of scapegoating him.
I’m less scared of locking up Wilson, because he’s a proven asset to this team. Maybe I’m not looking at it from a financial expert’s point of view, but I don’t believe Wilson is causing the Giants to lose money. Other contracts are.
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He’s not remotely valuable enough for the money that he’s going to be paid.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
I’M betting the owners disagree with this statement.
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Yeah, and Grant is afraid of the Giants giving Wilson a contract that moves him from
I don’t believe Wilson is causing the Giants to lose money.to
Other contracts are.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 21, 2011 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
Fair enough.
But I have less of a problem with Wilson, a player that is a proven asset and still valuable in his role, getting a big contract then I do with other contracts.
Zito and Rowand contracts are for nothing. Wilson is one of the better NL closers by a significant margin and a marketing blessing. We have bigger fish to fry.
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Wilson is one of the better NL closers by a significant margin
Is he?
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
The idea of a closer is over rated.
Wilson isn’t even the best closer on this team.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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The stat nerbs will hate me for this
but the 2003 Red Sox had closer by committee
the 2004 Red Sox had Foulke.
Be fair warned, I am not up for a major debate, and it is approaching my Europe time zone bedtime, but I’m one of those crazy people that believe that certain jobs require a certain mental ability. Baseball Closer is one of them.
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You’re gonna get piled on for this utterly irrational non-mathetmatically-evidence based assertion that has nothing to do with the pique people feel over not making the playoffs and something about “commercial overexposure”.
Don't you dare call me irrational, you KNOW that makes me crazy!
I know. I’m looking forward to reading it over my morning coffee in about 6 hours…
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Enjoy. It’ll feature me getting ad hominem with every single on of these fuckers.
Don't you dare call me irrational, you KNOW that makes me crazy!
At least let me keep some of my ons!
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Oh fuck you. I’m out of here. I should never comment on baseball in the presence of the POWERFUL EXPERTS HERE WHOSE OPINIONS ARE SO INFLUENTIAL.
If you don’t like the direction the Giants are going, don’t buy tickets. I know a guy who did that and stuck to it despite being the biggest Giants fan I know.
Don't you dare call me irrational, you KNOW that makes me crazy!
Yes, if the Giants made the playoffs last year we would all think that Brian Wilson was being paid exactly what he deserved
We would completely ignore the evidence that suggested otherwise, because our opinions have no factual basis and are based merely on our personal pique. It doesn’t matter whether Brian Wilson’s production justifies his salary; no, it’s only whether he’s being overexposed. That’s exactly what the thinking is.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Who cares? I don’t watch the Cardinals.
Don't you dare call me irrational, you KNOW that makes me crazy!
I don’t know what the hell is going on, but I’ll agree with this one because it’s always the right answer.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 21, 2011 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
Note that Jason Motte converted the first save of his career on September 18
Also, note that the Cardinals began their comeback to win the Wild card in late September. Not that I agree, but I’m just saying …
by hr on Nov 21, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
I think the point is that you can find anecdotal examples of why closers appear to have great value and plenty to show that they are overpaid interchangeable parts…..
Yeah, I do agree with that
I wish more managers would use the “most talented pitcher for highest-leverage situation” strategy; the idea of a closer seems kind of arbitrary anyways.
by hr on Nov 21, 2011 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
You do know that that was September 18, 2008, right?
by RoyaleWithCheese on Nov 21, 2011 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
Correlation does not imply causation
Even if it did, the 2003 Red Sox won 95 games and the 2004 Red Sox won 98 games. There was not a significant difference.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
and while I’m not necessarily anti-closer, what did the Sox in ultimately was Pedro being left in one too many innings
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 21, 2011 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
I’m one of those crazy people that believe that certain jobs require a certain mental ability. Baseball Closer is one of them.
I think the thing you’re underestimating is how difficult it is to ascend to the highest level of the sport in the first place. Getting that far means you already posses a certain mental ability.
Stat nerds are getting misunderstood here. I don’t think we truly believe that there isn’t a mental aspect/intangibles/whatever else you want to call it. What we do think is that most people aren’t qualified to judge these qualities in professional athletes they barely know anything about, outside of a few out of context blurbs.
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"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
There are definitely people who mock the very idea of there being a ‘closer mentality’.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 21, 2011 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
I have difficulty understanding how one gets to the highest level of professional sports without a “closer mentality.”
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By having really live stuff?
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 21, 2011 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
There was talk of Madson not having the closer mentality earlier this year, and then he ended up being just fine when he had to fill Lidge’s shoes. There may be some very rare exceptions to the rule, but in general good closer are just good pitchers pitching in the ninth.
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There was talk of Madson not having the closer mentality earlier this year, and then he ended up being just fine when he had to fill Lidge’s shoes.
This sounds like a problem in mentality identification to me.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 21, 2011 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
Okay, so the GM is a bad mentality identifier.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 21, 2011 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
I know I am.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 21, 2011 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
Anybody who can be faced with a tough situation and not nibble. You gotta be able to throw strikes [or just good pitches] and not be ascairt of what might happen.
NO FREAKING NIBBLING.
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I do think you need some sort of mental strength in order to deal with it, not just the pressure but blowing a game but having to come back the next day and getting put out there again. Not saying that a certain rare breed of human is the only kind of person who can do it but that you need to have something in your head that keeps you from freaking out.
Wilson was really good at getting into messes and getting out of them- certainly not something every pitcher can do. Benitez might have had good stuff but he didn’t have that- he lost his composure and fell apart
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 21, 2011 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
And yet Armando Benitez was very successful for several years and got paid proven closer money.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
But if I remember, he was always known as shaky and not somebody you could trust all the time. What happened to Benitez when he was here wasn’t a surprise to anyone
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 21, 2011 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
Sure, but I don’t know how much relevance that has. If you look at the long list of closers who stopped being effective, I’m sure that a lot of them weren’t like Armando Benitez mentally. It didn’t help when they stopped being good at pitching.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Again, I’m not saying people were born to be closers and were kissed by the gods to have that mentality, but- and this goes into all those icky intangible things people love so much— some people just don’t have the mental component to do it. Benitez didn’t. And remember how Brad Lidge fell apart after Pujols crushed him in the playoffs? Not every athlete is as cool under pressure as others.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 21, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
If I recall correctly, and I don’t have time to look, still short 1500 words for NaNo today… but Armando was a great closer when there was no pressure to perform. Where was he first ? Baltimore? Florida? when he did not have so much pressure he seemed to do well…or at least didn’t suck, dude fell a freaking part in NY and in SF where expectations were a little bit higher. he went on to do well
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
You are correct about pressure I think
Giants signed him the year after he had a great season in Miami.
rule: never sign a closer coming off a career year.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 21, 2011 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
He was pretty good for most of his time in New York; his first year was terrific.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
but when JT Snow took Benitez deep, most Mets fans I knew were not the least bit surprised and even expected it.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 21, 2011 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
aside from the JT Snow part, right?
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 21, 2011 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
Particularly Mets fans!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 21, 2011 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
From a Mets site:
http://www.meetthemess.com/?page_id=2
And it was Mets fans who gave him the name Blownitez:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armando_Ben%C3%ADtez
And Google even prompts you with the search phrase “Armando Benitez Blown Saves”
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 21, 2011 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
Wilson was really good at getting into messes and getting out of them- certainly not something every pitcher can do.
This seems to be nothing but small sample size to me. For example, I will happily bet that Valverde’s 2012 save percentage is under 92%.
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but where would the fun in that be?
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 21, 2011 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
The reply button
you’ve found it?
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This is true.
I mock when people use it this way:
Situation: a guy walks the bases loaded and gets out of it without blowing the save. “That guy has a closer’s mentality.”
Situation: a guy blows a save. “That guy just doesn’t have a closer’s mentality.”
No doubt
I’ve done it myself.
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"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
Sure there is. It’s just not the kind of evidence you would accept.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 21, 2011 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
I’d have to be presented with such evidence before accepting or not accepting it. I’ve never seen any.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Other than the reported experience of professional pitchers (I would characterize it as the vast majority of them) who claim that the last three outs are the most difficult one to get?
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 21, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
The pitcher might feel that way. I’d suggest that a large part of it is because everyone says that the last three outs are the most difficult ones to get; if we are told over and over that a situation is hard, it becomes hard.
But it doesn’t matter, because when it comes to getting the last three outs, the difference in effectiveness between pitchers who often do it and pitchers who don’t is nothing more than their difference in talent. Closers are better at closing than non-closers because closers are better at pitching than non-closers.
Essentially, it makes no difference how a pitcher feels about the difficulty of the last three outs. If he can get them just as well as he can get any of the others (and I’ve seen no data to suggest that he can’t), then the last three outs are just the same as any other three outs. Correspondence bias is affecting his feelings.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
So we’re back to my original statement. It’s just not the kind of evidence you would accept.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 21, 2011 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
No, that's not it
It’s not just evidence that I wouldn’t accept; it’s unacceptable evidence, because it’s subject to cognitive bias. It’s not objective.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Telling me why you find it unacceptable is not an effective denial of your having found it unacceptable.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 21, 2011 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
When phrased in that way, it suggests that I have merely rejected the evidence for my own subjective reasons. The evidence is objectively unacceptable.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Your insistence on considering only evidence which you have deemed properly ‘objective’ is your own subjective reason for rejecting it.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 21, 2011 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
you can't throw out every piece of evidence tainted by cognitive bias
that would be, you know, everything.
Mark DeRosa , he had his moments.
There’s a difference between objective numerical data and anecdotal testimony.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
totally
but, lets not go crazy overstating the strength of the former, and the latter does count for something.
I think the evidence warrants: closer mentality may or may not exist, but it is certainly not nearly as prevalent as sportswriter cliche would have it.
Mark DeRosa , he had his moments.
In all honesty, I’d have to admit the closer mentality phenomenon is overblown. It’s more of an issue identifying the minority of pitchers that are overly affected by the 9th inning than finding that one paladin who isn’t affected by it.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 21, 2011 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
It’s more of an issue identifying the minority of pitchers that are overly affected by the 9th inning
My issue is that this could be nothing but ex-post facto rationalization. Unless you analyze everyone who failed in the ninth and find that what they mostly have in common is not being mentally tough, I don’t know that you’ve found anything noteworthy. Otherwise it seems like cherrypicking to me.
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Or
It’s significantly more prevalent than the cliche suggests. The idea that the “closer mentality” is somehow exclusive to those players that have been closers.
by BestHyperboleEver on Nov 21, 2011 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
Right, which goes back to the idea that it’s probably hard to make the majors in the first place without the mental fortitude that is required to be a closer.
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Jeez
You’re up early. Do you live on the East Coast, or out of the country?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 22, 2011 2:08 AM PST up reply actions
Which country?
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Germany. For the next month anyways. I’ve been here for two years but am moving to Seattle in Jan.
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Good luck.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 22, 2011 2:27 AM PST up reply actions
If I may...
There are absolutely intangibles that can be noticed by an experienced manager. Take my job for instance.
There is absolutely a certain mentality needed by all to be able to perform at a top level in the military. But if I’m looking for a door kicker, I want the guy that absolutely, positively wants to kick down that door. Not only that, but he’d be pissed if he weren’t the guy doing it. Statistically speaking, 99% of the time the end result would be the same because we’re all at that level, but I’m picking the proven commodity 100% of the time. And not just for those reasons, but because the entire team would think it was weird if he wasn’t the guy.
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Last three outs
Are magnified in importance because they’re the last three outs. So when a “closer”/“non-closer” “saves”/“blows” those specific three outs, people notice it more. It’s much more dramatic to win/lose a game in the 9th inning than the 7th for players and fans alike; it’s an endorphins thing.
It’s like how everyone is convinced that they always look at the clock when it’s 9:11. No, you just don’t notice the 50 gagillion times you look at the clock when it’s 5:46, or 7:12.
So, I get where the 9th inning aura comes from. But I really don’t get why it’s still such an intense phenomenon.
by InTimmyWeTrust on Nov 22, 2011 2:18 AM PST up reply actions
According to scoring per inning stats.
The last 3 outs seem to be the easiest to get considering there are significantly fewer runs scored in the 9th than any other inning.
Of course, the question becomes whether or not the difference can be entirely explained by the fact that managers are generally using their best relievers in that inning.
by BestHyperboleEver on Nov 22, 2011 5:16 PM PST up reply actions
Your objection is?
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"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
Speak for yourself, kiddo.
What we do think is that most people aren’t qualified to judge these qualities in professional athletes they barely know anything about, outside of a few out of context blurbs.
Where can we even start with this?
You actually think you are qualified to judge intangibles/mental fortitude?
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I do. I qualified myself. How are you qualified to judge my judgment?
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 21, 2011 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
Well if you count Zito
it’s already a $30 million bullpen.
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I think more of it like Zito and Rowand
$32 million put out to pasture.
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Ordinarily this would be a big cause for concern
But I just don’t think the Giants are going to be interested in doling out a big extension given the injury concerns Wilson was facing, especially at the end of the year. The Giants are definitely a team that could make this kind of idiotic decision generally, but in this particular instance I’m not worried.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 21, 2011 1:09 PM PST reply actions
I can see them holding their cards tight and seeing how healthy he is before making a decision. the Affeldt signing I think shows they don’t want another Matt Herges situation where they sat around waiting for Nen and quickly realized he’s not coming back and they didn’t have anybody to replace him. So Felipe just picked Herges name out of a hat et viola, your closer
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 21, 2011 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
All they need is Romo.
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Exactly
I get a sense that Affeldt or Wilson gets traded mid-season.
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I can see them holding their cards tight and seeing how healthy he is before making a decision
Freddy Sanchez
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"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
He re-signed for $6 million/1 year. It’s a bargain. Would you rather have Mark Ellis or Freddy?
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I was referring to his contract prior to 2010 when he was signed for 2 years. Then it came out later in the offseason that he was hurt more than the Giants realized & he’d miss April & beyond. It worked out only because Uribe was re-signed.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
At first I thought Wilson made the team money with all the beards and jersey sales. Then I realized he won’t continue to make the team more money, due to the fact that people who would buy a Wilson beard/jersey, probably already owns one.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
My number 1 offseason fear is that, for the Giants, it's already over.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
reminds me of a latvia joke
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
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by operation carrot on Nov 21, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
Justin Verlander won the MVP? WTF?
And people say that pitcher wins aren’t considered anymore.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Yeah, but he kinda also dominated in pitcher everything else.
The first six innings are overrated.
Relievers winning the Cy Young
Still bitter about Gagne “winning” over Schmidt
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Are you saying that Gagne didn’t win?
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I think he's insinuating Gagne's interest in better pitching through chemistry.
Although, y’know, how far down that rabbit hole do you want to go with awards?
No MVP because pitchers have the Cy Young.
No Cy Young for a top closer because they have the Rolaids Whatever It Is.
No RWII for a middle reliever because…?
Profit is in there somewhere too, I guess.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Nov 22, 2011 12:06 AM PST up reply actions
I've said it before in some threads
Wilson is the one guy I could see Baer signing regardless of what Sabes says.
He’s easily the most marketable Giants. And one of the most marketable guys in MLB, period.
Baer will likely forget that if he goes the way of Brad Lidge he won’t be marketable at all anymore.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
BEARD OF THE FRANCHISE’S FACE!
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 21, 2011 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
damn
I really wish I had gone with “Facial hair of the franchise”… need to learn to think before I post.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 21, 2011 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
I think he is going to be resigned
He is too popular to trade
And Im not sure they let him walk
ughhhhh
we have only ourselves to blame
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by operation carrot on Nov 21, 2011 1:13 PM PST reply actions
It's "re-signed"
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
i dont believe in grammar when typing on the internet
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by operation carrot on Nov 21, 2011 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
Me neither
But this is Delorean’s pet peeve and since he’s not always here, I carry the torch on his behalf.
It’s more spelling than grammar;“resigned” and “re-signed” are two very different words.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
I got to meet Delorean after his gig at the Hemlock Sat night. I was standing with my wife and a friend in the band that played before Kowloon Walled City (delorean’s band), when he walked to the bar to get a glass of water.
I had told my wife an “internet buddy” was in the 2nd band prior to going to the show. When he was standing at the bar next to us, I said loudly to my wife “that delorean right next to you.” He looked at me and said “What did you just call me?”
I introduced myself and we talked a bit, then he had to go man his merch table. Real nice dude. Not surprised he doesnt hang out here much anymore.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
Not surprised he doesnt hang out here much anymore.
Really? Did something happen that I missed? Went to a SJ Giants game with delorean a couple years ago. He kept my (then) 3-year-old entertained the whole game. He was the one who’d organized it too.
"This is almost certainly a terrible idea. But I won't know for certain until I've actually done it." — Jez from Peep Show
by Giant Fan in Singapore on Nov 21, 2011 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
No I was just kidding because he’s cool. And we’re us.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
Oh, he thinks he’s cool, and spends all his time seeming cool, and everyone regards him in that way, but one day he will wake up to find IT WAS ALL A MIRAGE, AND HE’S ACTUALLY HISTORY’S GREATEST MONSTER.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 21, 2011 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
/taps forehead in a knowing manner
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 21, 2011 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
I read this as "/FAPS forehead in a knowing manner
Good Lord, mrs. breadfan7 needs to have this baby, and soon!
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
dammit
I was really hoping to be history’s greatest monster.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 21, 2011 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
You’ll always play second fiddle to tim lincecum’s waterbong.
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
You’ll always play second fiddle to tim lincecum’s waterbong vaporizer.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
Tim Lincecum's Vaporizor!
This is a marketing scheme I could get behind.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 21, 2011 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
He's a mensch
He (like me) is overshadowed by his super cool/gorgeous wife, but yeah, he’s good people. Mrs. G and I value our friendship with the Deloreans.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
we have only ourselves to blame
I’m not going to talk myself into regretting loving every member of the 2010 Giants.
Don't you dare call me irrational, you KNOW that makes me crazy!
Did you not hear me? Every one. Every one.
I’m getting very sick of this.
Don't you dare call me irrational, you KNOW that makes me crazy!
I don’t know how you insist on belittling Brian Wilson.
Don't you dare call me irrational, you KNOW that makes me crazy!
LOL SENIOR YEAR
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holy crap
when the automatic budget cuts kick in in December he’s going to be here 24 hours per day.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 21, 2011 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
Wait...
Even Brandon Medders?
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Fine. Pile on. This is what always happens here when someone interrupts the groupthink.
Don't you dare call me irrational, you KNOW that makes me crazy!
FOR THE SWARM!
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You beat me to it!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 21, 2011 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
Baer specifically mentioned Wilson when he talked about re-signing the pitching staff
They are all a bunch of nitwits.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 21, 2011 1:13 PM PST reply actions
CBA Update!
Major League Baseball and the MLB Players Association have reached a preliminary agreement on a new five-year Basic Agreement and are expected to announce it on Tuesday afternoon at 1 ET in a news conference that will air live on MLB.com and MLB Network.
The luxury tax threshold will remain at $178MM for 2012-13, then increase to $189MM for 2014-16, tweets Joel Sherman of the New York Post. He says repeat offenders will be taxed at 50% beginning with the 2014 season. The Yankees currently pay at a 40% rate.
Teams signing the remaining Type A relievers will not surrender a draft pick this offseason. Those seven teams will still receive compensatory picks, though I assume they must offer arbitration tomorrow first.
Starting next season, the Elias rankings system for free agent compensation will be eliminated. According to the AP, “Starting next year, teams will have to make a ‘qualifying offer’ of a one-year guaranteed contract to their players eligible to become free agents in order to receive compensation if the player signs with another club. That amount will be at least $12.4 million and could rise by next year, depending on a formula.”
The Super Two cutoff will rise from the top 17% of players with 2-3 years service time to the top 22%.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/11/new-labor-deal-to-be-announced-tomorrow.html
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It eliminates pretty much all relievers.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 21, 2011 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
Not if Amaro has anything to say about it!
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
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That is exactly why I said “pretty much.”
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 21, 2011 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
I wonder if in negotiations they had it set to like 11.4 and then that contract was signed and they reconvened and bumped it up to 12.4.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 21, 2011 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
Quick, Sabes, sign all the Type A's!
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by Giant Fan in Singapore on Nov 21, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
Sabes is no RAJ.
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So much for the hopes that we could get compensation for Melky after this year.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
He says repeat offenders will be taxed at 50% beginning with the 2014 season. The Yankees currently pay at a 40% rate.
The Yankees aren’t the problem. The Marlins are….. oh, nevermind.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
a team that can’t bid for free-agent hitters because of fiduciary concerns.
I think you mean financial.
Adjective:
Involving trust, esp. with regard to the relationship between a trustee and a beneficiary.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 21, 2011 1:20 PM PST reply actions
Grant does this on purpose.
wants to make sure we’re paying attention and reading. Not just using this space for memes, movie references, and band talk.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Nov 21, 2011 3:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
fiduciary
I took Grant as referring to the responsibility that the people who make payroll decisions have to the entirety of the stockholders. That is essentially a trustee/beneficiary relationship.
also
I note (by the by) the Giants’ claim, in relation to their grip on San Jose vis-a-vis the A’s desire to move there, that they need to draw 3.2 million fans in order to break even with a $130m payroll. (In 2011, they drew 3.4m fans.) IF this isn’t a fraudulent figure—the reason for the fraud being to show why they need to keep the South Bay territory they now have—then the corresponding claim that they need to cap the payroll at $130m for fiduciary reasons makes sense.
Oh yeah regarding my trip to London
I forgot to mention that the first two days I was there I was used as slave labor/paid in Ribena for helping build a giant fiberglass cheeseburger that was lowered onto a concert stage for approximately two minutes and then raised up again. It was kind of hilarious.
Just be happy it wasn’t a double cheeseburger AMIRITE!
/hold up hand for high five
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Like I guess it was discussed, passed around
Drawn to scale, etc. And then it was forgotten that it was supposed to be a double, by all parties til we were listening to the song while sanding it.
That is funny.
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Success!
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 21, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
same amount of fanshots here and on NN
I cant wait to see who wins that tie breaker
so exciting
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by operation carrot on Nov 21, 2011 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
I'm rereading this comment and I realize I sound very sarcastic
Please note that this was not the case and that I was sincerely impressed with 65.000 comments.
by hr on Nov 21, 2011 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
You were better off with the sarcasm.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 21, 2011 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
With “hr” around, this can’t be good for jctGamers NSFW links.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 21, 2011 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
/ golf clap
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
He’s already busted out his meat down-thread for crying out loud!
/clutches pearls
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 21, 2011 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
How many of them were good though?
For the thirteen time in 3 or one evers, I found myself toothlessly thinking about Manny Ramirez.
At least 65.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 21, 2011 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
How many of them were TWSS
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Are they talking about extending him before this season?
If so, that would be insane. Anyone who has more than 1 visit to anyone with a first name of James and a last name of Andrews cannot be extended, full stop. Why would they even think about thinking about this now? I could see thinking about it in July or August, but not now.
With all the handwringing
I think the Giants are waiting to see how he does this year. I do not get a sense that the FO has him on the top of the list.
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Maybe
but Sabean is probably still suffering from post-Hermanson syndrome.
Let’s not forget the last closer that the Giants offered a big deal to was Benitez.
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Unless he is traded, the soonest he can leave is at the end of 2012. I am just not sure what incentive the Giants have to lock him up now. Worst case, he is a total stud in 2012 and prices himself out of the Giants range. In that case, they have an entire offseason to find a suitable replacement.
One thing that the FO
is getting better at is not locking up FA long term (other than SPs).
I think Sabean is starting to believe that the minor league system can be a good way to keep the team competitive.
Of course, this can be good or bad.
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Especially
since I trust Tedrow’s ability to evaluate talent a lot more than Sabean’s ability to evaluate FAs.
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Tebow and Death Row?
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by operation carrot on Nov 21, 2011 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
Dang it.
Tidrow.
But I am glad to see that people are off the “First Tedford” bandwagon. It was ridiculous to begin with.
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I think Sabean is starting to believe that the minor league system can be a good way to keep the team competitive.
Based on how many starting positions he leaves open for younger players to fight for, I disagree.
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That's not Sabean
that’s Bochy.
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Sabean’s been doing this since before Bochy.
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"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
Dusty and Felipe both weren’t known for loving the kids and loving the gritty vets nearing 40. Of course, the kids that they did get kind of sucked.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 21, 2011 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
Savvy Google is savvy
Making people sign up for a Google account in order to keep their YT account.
Almost Microsoft-ian.
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They’ll take over the world, these days, I swear. Soon they’ll control every computer and every password and will work it so even NORAD won’t work unless you sign up for a GMAIL account and that’s when Sergie & Larry announce themselves as overlords
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 21, 2011 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
Well, at least they’re still human. Steve had his consciousness embedded into Siri.
Don't you dare call me irrational, you KNOW that makes me crazy!
“Where can I find someone to fix this drywall?”
Siri: Finding nearby child labor now…
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Ha. More like finding nearest unemployed college graduate.
Don't you dare call me irrational, you KNOW that makes me crazy!
I don’t know how many Chinese children under the age of 16 are college graduates.
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You said fix drywall. Not make drywall. Get your jokes together.
Don't you dare call me irrational, you KNOW that makes me crazy!
I don’t know, hiring unemployed college graduates sounds awfully close to charity.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 21, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
I can’t let you do that Dave.
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and so the first proto-Cylon is created
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 21, 2011 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but you can say the same about apple, Amazon and Facebook. They’ll keep each other checked, I think.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
It's like the Romance of Three Kingdom
internet style!
Steve Jobs has come to Destroy Us!
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At least they're trying to sign him after a bad season
Maybe a discount?
Hello? Is this thing on.
/grasps at straw
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an inventive laden contract makes some sense
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 21, 2011 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
I would go with an invention-laden contract
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
invention-latent
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by operation carrot on Nov 21, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
Since just about every other pitcher has been named as possible trade victims
it is time to talk of trading wilson. He not only looked less than good last year, but he didnt look like he cared.
Not good and careless something to trade. besides I think that beard is getting to be a health hazard. who knows what is growing in there
two melkys?
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by operation carrot on Nov 21, 2011 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
you mean not cared as in throwing things all over the dugout after a blown save?
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 21, 2011 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
theatrics, maybe. Or maybe he was friggin’ pissed. He’s not the only ballplayer to trash something in the middle of a ball game after something bad happened
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 21, 2011 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
Apparently we’re all on a Hate Brian Wilson Soooo Overpayed thing today.
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We don’t all have to like him.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
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We just all have to pile on those that do.
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Maybe he would though.
Look what they just paid Pooplebon.
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I'm going to object to the "didn't look like he cared" thing
I’m someone who totally thinks about body language, post-game comments, attitude, etc. along with numbers, so this isn’t a “Who cares what he looked like?” reply.
He got hurt to start the season and never got his velocity up to where it had been previously. I really think he was never quite right last season as tried to give an appearance of “everything’s ok”, but I think he was frustrated and concerned about his pitching. He messed around with curves and change ups looking for ways to get guys out as it looked to me like he lost faith in his FB. The biggest tell tale sign was right before his late-season injury; he was throwing complete gas. In hindsight, it looked like he knew something wasn’t right and was just completely airing it out to see what would happen. It might have lead to or exacerbated the injury.
At no point did I think he didn’t care. Wilson strikes me as a super intense competitor on the mound and a guy who doesn’t have any apathy in his DNA
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
by Goofus on Nov 21, 2011 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I always hate saying this
but I agree with Goofus.
"If it's weird, you know it's probably Wilson's." - Matt Cain
Me three.
Torres IS the magic bean. - Johnny Disaster
by SituationalLefty on Nov 21, 2011 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
GROUG THINK
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I’m going to agree with you and still advocate trading him.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
We can’t trade Goofus. We still owe him $40 mil and the Yankees don’t want him.
Torres IS the magic bean. - Johnny Disaster
by SituationalLefty on Nov 21, 2011 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
But his Propellering Above Replacement is unparalleled!
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Yeah, I don't propeller
Tried it once and knocked myself out with a blow to the temple
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
What he doesn’t mention is that it was the Temple of Set.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 21, 2011 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
This had me laughing out loud.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
It's a good visual
“So let’s see what this propellering phenomenon is all about”
/wakes up
“Where am I what happened?”
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Propellering should be done with your own parts, not someone else’s.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
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Maybe the Nationals will give us Wang for him.
"If it's weird, you know it's probably Wilson's." - Matt Cain
What is it with you?
Always looking for a deal where you can get Wang
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
That Wang was our last hope
No, there is another
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
He makes $8.5M this season
As others have said, let it play out, see how he does, then decide whether it’s worth keeping him for 2/$20M or something.
It’s probably a situation where the Giants and Wilson are the best fit for each other and it wouldn’t really make sense for him to go elsewhere unless it’s insane money. You’d have to think he knows his weirdness wouldn’t play as well in most other cities and the Ginats can look at the return he brings both on and off the field.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
What about
$12.5 million and a first round draft pick?
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Wilson had 3.3 WAR in 2010 (bb-ref)
How much was that worth if not $10M?
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
There is a debate about
WAR not being good to gauge relievers right?
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Maybe I should be more clear
No reliever is ever worth a commitment of $10 million. Relief pitching is too volatile for that; there’s a substantial risk that the production will be far below $10 million, and almost no chance that it will go very far above that number.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Mariano Rivera would like a word with you
In 16 seasons as a reliever, he’s averaged 3.5 WAR per season. Averaged!
As a reliever, he’s only been below 2 WAR twice in his career, with 1.7 and 1.9 WAR seasons. Even those seasons would be worth $10M.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Meant to add that he's had four seasons above 4 WAR and six more above 3.5 WAR
So he’d like to also talk to you about this sentence:
and almost no chance that it will go very far above that number.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
I don’t think it’s really fair to cite the best reliever ever as an example of the non-volatile nature of relief pitching.
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I don't object to the premise that relievers are volatile
But the absolute of “no reliever…” was like saying no one is capable of hitting 700 home runs
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Why not? He’s an example of a closer that really does take away the last ups for the opponent, and has done iit on a consistent basis for years. Here’s the quote:
No reliever is ever worth a commitment of $10 million.
Mariano Rivera is the living refutation of that statement.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 21, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
although
That’s pretty much like saying one should play the lottery because people have won the lottery.
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And yet if you were to say ‘Nobody ever wins the lottery’ you would be wrong.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 21, 2011 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
True
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OK
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 21, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
No it's not
There’s a big difference between general statements and absolutes.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
He’s pretty damn special, yes.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 21, 2011 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
As I just said below
Gossage had a nine-year run where he averaged almost 3.8 WAR per season. During that time he was only below 2 WAR once (1.6).
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
No reliever other than Mariano Rivera is ever worth a commitment of $10 million.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 21, 2011 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
Goose Gossage
Had a nine-year run where he averaged almost 3.8 WAR per season. During that time he was only below 2 WAR once (1.6).
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
He had 13 wins in one of those seasons. Bullpen usage was so different back then that it’s not comparable.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
I used BB-Ref WAR
The highest was 7 WAR in any one season. They might have been used differently back then (mostly the multiple innings they’d throw), but my point remains: Give me Gossage in his prime and Id pay him $10M today
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Pitcher wins, I mean
That was meant to show how he was used differently. Put Goose Gossage in a bullpen of today and I don’t think he would have that kind of production.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
right now i would listen to any trade offers from anyone about any player.
letting things continue as is isnt going to get us anywhere.
*of course there are a few players i would scream about if they traded away…
by orange velvet on Nov 21, 2011 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
This is always the correct answer.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 21, 2011 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
I would, with one big qualifier
It would depend on Romo and the “inside scoop” with his health/durability. I still suspect that doctors have told the team not to overuse Romo for fear of breaking him. If Romo’s a guy who can’t pitch more than a few batters or shouldn’t pitch on consecutive days, I’d probably keep Wilson next season.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
I agree with this
Romo is the Giants’ version of Kuo.
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Isn’t Kuo injured for 1/2 of every season?
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Yup
I am afraid that Romo is going this route especially due to his reliance on sliders.
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So you’re just afraid he will be Kuo. Because calling him Kuo would make me want to tell you to meet me at AT&T so we can duke it out.
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Or that the Giants have used Romo carefully and it's paying off
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Then use Romo only in very high-leverage situations
There’s no reason that you have to have one guy that you bring in every time you have a three-run lead in the ninth inning. Managers today are slaves to the save rule, and it’s not a good thing.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
I agree with this
But also think Wilson has been a bit of an exception, because of his ability to pitch a lot, be it consectutive games or the occasional 4 or 5-out save and I think Romo might be just the opposite.
If you need one or two big outs, go Romo. If you need 4 or 5, Wilson.
Of course, Wilson’s durability is now a question mark as well.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
I would agree with that, but we didn’t see any of that at all from Wilson in 2011.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
yes, i addressed that in my last sentence.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
I fail to see what Wilson's durability has to do with any of this
;-)
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
If he has a 2009 or 2010 type season next year I think he gets more than 2/$20m.
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If he has a that kind of season next year, I'd probably move him before the deadline
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
If he’s having that kind of season next year, I’d think the Giants wouldn’t be in a spot to trade him i.e. playoff hunt.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 21, 2011 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know
Imagine a scenario where the entire bullpen is doing really well, but because of injury or performance, there’s a whole in the lineup. It’s not that hard to see moving him.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Wholey Cow!
I see your point, but I don’t think at this point there is an heir apparent to Wilson. And I think for a contending team to trade their closer, they’d want one in the wings.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 21, 2011 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
Like a lot of us have been saying
Romo, is he’s able, is better than Wilson
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Filthy. Absolutely filthy.
His slight frame and reliance on the slider scare me for obvious reasons.
But, obviously, he’s got the most electric stuff.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 21, 2011 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
Not mention his knee that tends to get hyper-extended at least once per season
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
alternately
if they can’t field a lineup that can hit the baseball in 2012 either it won’t matter who the closer is for 2013.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 21, 2011 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
Flip side
If you play a lot of low scoring, close games and have an offense that is unlikely to get you a big lead or more runs, your bullpen is even more important.
It’s been over-shadowed by the starting pitching, but I think a hallmark of the team for the last three season has been a bullpen that can throw up zeros. There have been a number of games where the strong and deep bullpen has kept them in the game (even in extra innings) while waiting for the offense to eventually scratch out a game winning run.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
I am talking about fielding an offense not in the bottom 5 in the league. I don’t deny having good mop-up guys (especially Mota) kept them in ballgames, but you still can’t win 0-0.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 21, 2011 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
Then how did the Ginats win 86 games last year?
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
If they win 86 again in 2012 I believe they should let Wilson walk.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 21, 2011 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
Just by starting pitching, the Phillies have the best rotation in baseball. But by bullpen, the Giants have the best well-rounded bullpen in baseball making them have the most complete pitching staff baseball and a huge factor in winning it in 2010
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 21, 2011 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
They also had an offense better than horrible that year, the only time in the last 5 years they did that. My point is not that bullpens are irrelevant, but that if they can’t turn the offense around in 2012 they shouldn’t really worry about throwing dollars at Wilson in 2013.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 21, 2011 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
I'm in the camp that thinks they're offense wouldn't have been bottom 5 if not for the injuries
So I have trouble getting all bent out of shape about last season’s numbers
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
This
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Didn't say it would have been "good"
I think it would have been about average, maybe slightly above with Beltran, but they very well not have made the trade for Beltran if the offense was average.
But that wasn’r the premise. Natteringnabob was talking about “bottom 5”. As the team proved in 2010, good things can happen with an elite staff and average offense.
We’d all like an all-star at every position and a pony, but that’s not going to happen. I think “keep the pitching together” is a strategy that is easy to defend.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
that's sort of my point
I’m talking about 2012. Last season was not 2012.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 21, 2011 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
If the team enjoys reasonable health in 2012, I don't think they'll be "Bottom 5", do you?
I’m talking as is and not assuming Beltran.
CF – Melky
2B – Sanchez
3B – Panda
C – Posey
1B – Huff
LF – Belt
RF – Nate or Torres
SS – Huff
I don’t think bottom 5. I think, depending mostly on what Huff does) that they’d flirt with league average. Add Beltran and the offense looks league average at worst and probably north of a 100+ team OPS+
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Damn it "Crawford"
I was already thinking about my next point about Huff being the bellweather of that lineup
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Melky in CF and Torres in RF is going to be so lolworthy.
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I'd probably swap them
but having one of Nate/Torres was more in line with my point
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
I was careful to not predict anything to avoid just this sort of contradictory post from you
“If” is a conditional statement. If they perform poorly in 2012, as they did in 2009, 2008, 2007, etc., then the closer in 2013 is small potatoes and will not be able to fix the offense. I’m sorry this has irritated you so.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 21, 2011 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
My response was mostly to this:
They also had an offense better than horrible that year, the only time in the last 5 years they did that.
To me, it implied that 2010 was all fluke and they somehow returned to form in 2011. I contend that they fielded an offense that should have been somewhere around average last season (and certainly better than bottom 5), but the injuries gave them no chance. This is why I expect them to be better in 2012 even just with they already have on the roster.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
I think they got better than expected output from a number of guys in 2010, and those who were uninjured returned to their expected output in 2011. I should use stats to support my position. Maybe I’ll do that later.
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those who were uninjured
Of the returning players, I think Huff was the only one who wasn’t injured.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Maybe “for those who didn’t have season ending or significant injuries.” Torres and Ross spent some time on the DL, but when I can’t be certain that their reduced production was a result of any lingering injuries (caveat: if Torres can’t find his equilibrium for his ADHD issues, he may never meet his 2010 production again).
I probably should acknowledge that 2011 Panda was as good as 2009 Panda, which was much better than 2010 Panda. Without that, things could have been worse, I guess.
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Schierholtz was the other guy
Who improved from 2010 to 2011
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
I admit extreme bias in this area. I’ve never been a staunch Nate supporter. His improvement seems to be marginal.
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I've always been pretty skeptical about Nate
But his 2011 improvements were pretty dramatic (27 points of OPS+ is nothing to sneeze at)
If you couple that with him being hurt in 2010, you have a guy that may very well be coming into his own as a big league starter. A .750 OPS guy with plus-plus RF defense at AT&T is nothing to sneeze at.
I don’t think a he’s a guy you build a team around, but as an inexpensive version of Randy Winn, he can add value.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Sprained beer gut?
Cigarilloitis?
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 21, 2011 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
Back problems = out of shape problems
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I think he tweaked it on one of those dive/falls in RF
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
You can infer whatever you want.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 21, 2011 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
UNPACK UNPACK UNPACK
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It’s probably a situation where the Giants and Wilson are the best fit for each other and it wouldn’t really make sense for him to go elsewhere unless it’s insane money.
This kind of reminds me of the Lance Berkman quote before he re-upped with the St. Louis. It said something like: “It’s always about the money. No matter what anyone says. It always comes down to the money.”
Ask me about my blog.
I don’t think that quote is unique to Berkman. Let’s say Harvey Mackay, in “Swimming With the Sharks” (not those Sharks, nerds).
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by natteringnabob on Nov 21, 2011 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
That "Soon" picture is amazing
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
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I want him to shave.
Or at least trim the beard down to late 2010 levels. He was much more handsome when he didn’t look homeless
I think the beard is totally played out. It’s become a parody of itself.
(I know I’ve said this probably eleventy million times – it’s still true.)
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I think he’s waiting for it to come back in style. Like my puffy Starter jackets.
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Ascots.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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News you can use
The UC Davis pepper spray meme is going to be on ATC today.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
What is it? “Don’t pepperspray me bro?”
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Or is the picture of the cop casually walking by while pepper spraying people?
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Remember when Howie used to stalk Grant? Those were the days.
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I learned it from YOU Howie. I learned it from you.
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And how.
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Window Howie is watching Grant do… uh whatever it is Grant does.
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Grant makes it rain
When he isn’t buying weather balloons with points
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Masturbate.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 22, 2011 8:38 AM PST up reply actions
I’d rather have Wilson, assuming he’s healthy, than go back to the Benitez, Hennesseyy, Traschner debacles of a few seasons ago.
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So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
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So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Was referring to his mom
She apparently read about the “Special Agent” nickname here
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
That’s the thing about closers, you think they’re interchangable until you get a really bad one. Actually, as a rule, closers aren’t very noticeable unless they’re either really, really good or really bad.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 21, 2011 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
Like cornerbacks
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
And pizza!
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Not sure about that. Closers tend to be among the most noticeable players on a team.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
I think what I mean is that most closers do a perfectly fine job in doing what their supposed to do and it’s what fans expect them to do. But if the closer is either Benitez-like or Gagne-like, then people really get wound up by the closer. Whomever closed for the Cardinals is perfectly fine but I don’t think anybody is really excited by him nor do people think he’ll fall apart at any second.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 21, 2011 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
I would be more inclined to think this way, I think, if the rest of the bullpen was filled with guys like those.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 21, 2011 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
Repeat: Do not pay $10M for a Closer
on a team that cannot afford a shortstop.
Don't believe everything you think.
If the pitching is good enough they can strike out 27 men per game and that won’t matter!
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by natteringnabob on Nov 21, 2011 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
I can see that from Timmy, Caino, Vogey & MadBum but
aren’t you overreaching with Zito?
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Not if he throws 27 innings.
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And let's hope he doesn't
I have this warm fuzzy dream: we trade someone the Yankees want (could have been J.Sanchez) and Zito (who they could conceivably use, but more importantly they can pay), and we get less back in player value but we gain the salary dump. For instance, as much as I think he’s over-valued, we could get Swisher. The problem, of course, ius that now we don’t have anyone (except maybe Brandon Belt) that is available and another team would want. Like I said, it’s a dream.
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The Yankees Do Not Want Barry Zito™.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 21, 2011 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
The Yankees Tigers Do Not Want Barry Zito™.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
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I told you it’s going to be a long winter.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 21, 2011 5:42 PM PST up reply actions
The Yankees Tigers Chunichi Dragons Do Not Want Barry Zito™.
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My point/dream was
. . . that if we had someone that was really coveted by the Yankees (a team with a big fat wallet and a back-end rotation need) and we could get a piece that we need, we could take less back than we’d normally entertain if we could also dump Zito’s salary. Lot’s of “ifs,” because it’s a dream (and a way to rid ourselves of a burden).
Don't believe everything you think.
I don’t necessarily doubt that some team in baseball might take him in some circumstance, but the Yankees are inevitably the first suggestion and are as inevitably never going to take him. They’ll make their own albatross contracts, but they won’t take on anyone else’s, much less the king of the albatrosses.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 6:24 AM PST up reply actions
On a related note:
2012 salaries:
Clint Barmes: $5 million
Jeremy Affeldt: $5 million
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
He’s basically Crawford.
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Fangraphs says Barmes was worth
$14.2 million last season, and an average of over $6 million for the previous 3 seasons before that.
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
Almost all of his value comes from his defense
He had oWARs of:
2008: 1.6 (Colorado)
2009: 0.6 (Colorado)
2010: 0.0
2011: 1.4 (Houston).
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OT - How annoying are the railings in the front row of the view box?
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 21, 2011 2:53 PM PST reply actions
Less annoying than having someone fall 2 stories and land in my scotch.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
I read that as
landing on my “crotch”
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
FTFY
Less annoying than having someone fall 2 stories andland in my scotch.steal my Swatch!
by Myemail21479 on Nov 21, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
They don’t bother me at all.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 21, 2011 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
thanks!
are you on 1b or 3b side?
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 21, 2011 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
I’ve sat on both sides, I don’t think it’s a big deal. In most cases in the VB you can move around (down, particularly) if you need a different spot. I think VB people must swoop to better seats or something, or get too drunk to make it upstairs.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 21, 2011 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
What will the Giants' 2012 slogan be?
Together We Are Magic Inside?
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by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 21, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I did absolutely love the 2010, it's magic inside, slogan
together we are giant was so – MEH compared to it
by Myemail21479 on Nov 21, 2011 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
Although
if you reversed the results at the end of the respective years, I love Together We Are Giant a lot more than It’s Magic Inside.
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I always thought ATT park was magic inside
I have been to Petco, O.Co, Bank One, Metrodome, LA Collesium…
None of them gave that warm fuzzy feeling I get going to ATT. It always felt like magic to me.
by Myemail21479 on Nov 21, 2011 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
I had a friend in town from Seattle earlier this year. We went to a Giants game and an A’s game. He was very impressed with the AT&T crowd atmosphere. He spent most of the A’s game watching the Mariners on his phone.
I think I've been to like 15 parks now
Fenway was the only other one that felt “magical” inside. Hate on the Red Sox and their fans, but there’s an energy there and it feel like you’re someplace special.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
"Someplace special"
So you’re saying that you didn’t enjoy the “Noah’s Ark” effect of Wrigley Field last year??
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 21, 2011 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
‘til the day I die, I’ll consider Vogelsong’s performance in that game among the most amazing I’ve ever seen.
6 innings, 7 hits, 7 Ks and 1 walk and it was more impressive than a no-hiiter. there’s just no way to describe how terrible that weather was. Not just the rain, but the cold and the wind. This near-freezing rain was blowing sideways and stinging. I don’t even know how he could hold the ball, much less throw it.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Perhaps his Pennsylvania upbringing? Would’ve been fun to see Zito throw in that crap. (not actually fun, likely)
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 21, 2011 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
I think conditions like that would favor the pitcher. Hitting sucks when it is cold and crappy.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Normally, I'd agree
But it was so cold you couldn’t stand there without shaking and so wet I have no idea how he gripped the ball
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
I’m still sorry for the weather you guys got stuck with on your trip.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
Giants Baseball
If You Knew The Truth You’d Understand How Super Everything Is!
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by natteringnabob on Nov 21, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
Giants Baseball: You should pay more for your tickets . . .
someday we’ll afford another hitter. We accept Amex, MC and Visa.
Don't believe everything you think.
Please, no Betancourt
Pirates got Barmes, so I feel like the Sabean thing to do would be go after Furcal? I’m not sure I would have too much of an issue with that
Walter White is Heisenberg.
But prefer . . .
getting Beltran and living with Crawford. Next best: Jimmy Rollins.
Don't believe everything you think.
This
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Beside, as I recall,
Furcal is not pro-Bay Area. Not sure if was the (cool) climate, but hasn’t he repeatedly said no to the A’s and Giants?
Don't believe everything you think.
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is your friend.
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Hubby just bought the new Zelda game. I will not be seeing much of him for a while.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Ratings are not as good for this one
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Nevermind
on Gamespot ranked it not as good.
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So low that IGN had these horrible things to say about it:
The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword is the greatest Zelda game ever created.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 21, 2011 9:06 PM PST up reply actions
I was pretty sure that I was done pouring money into my Wii, but I may give in and get this game. The biggest thing keeping me from doing it, I guess, is that I don’t have Wii Motion Plus, and I don’t really want to get the game AND a $30 remote just to play it….
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by howtheyscored on Nov 21, 2011 9:16 PM PST up reply actions
I enjoy Zelda games for the stories.
Ocarina of Time was great.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Yep
They do games, movies, TV shows, and music. Game companies actually pay close attention to Metacritic scores.
It’s funny, I’ve never actually gone to the site before. I usually rely on Rotten Tomatoes for my aggregator needs.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I actually much prefer Metacritic to Rotten Tomatoes.
by free f.p. #14 on Nov 22, 2011 1:04 AM PST up reply actions
For what it’s worth, rottentomatoes does do an average score for every movie, too.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 22, 2011 8:41 AM PST up reply actions
For example: The Muppets is currently at 100% positive reviews, with an average score of 8.2/10. Hugo is currently at 93% positive reviews, with an average score of 8.4.
Everybody likes The Muppets, but the people who like Hugo like it more.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 22, 2011 8:42 AM PST up reply actions
I just finished making this delicious banana bread
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can of corn
I'm sure your waitress will LOVE it!!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 21, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
Let me show you something she'll really love
Working on 6 lbs of prime rib now
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
I made some last night.
I love it so much. Also, my kids went nuts for it.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Nov 21, 2011 3:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
That Costco prime rib
looks really tempting for Thanksgiving.
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It's good.
I prefer my seasoning though. I also am picky with prime rib. I mean, if I’m paying that much I should be.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Nov 21, 2011 3:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I figure with prime rib, salt and freshly cracked pepper goes a long way.
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too much salt dehydrates the prime rib though
Coat it with butter first, then add Salt and Pepper.
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Costco meat isn’t bad at all.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 21, 2011 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
tell her youre about to give her some meat
shell love it
She's like the skinniest fat girl ever
She keeps posting all these pictures of her eating all kinds of junk food, but she is still super skinny. It’s pretty unfair.
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/waves hand
That was not the button you were looking for.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Nov 21, 2011 3:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Damn man...the Giants brass should do something positive soon. Like re-sign Cain and Lincecum.
I can’t take too many more of these Doom and Gloom articles. I’m more of a puppies and kittens story kind of guy. You would think the Giants lost the World Series two years in a row or something (Sorry Texas but that has to be depressing).
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Nov 21, 2011 3:33 PM PST reply actions
The starting SS for your 2012 Giants!
The Mets, Dodgers and Braves are among six teams that have shown interest in free agent infielder Jack Wilson, according to Heyman (on Twitter). Wilson, 33, hit .243/.274/.285 for the Mariners and Braves in 2011, appearing at second, short and third.
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Why would we want an older version of Crawford?
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Nov 21, 2011 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
This
At least Crawford has some upside
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
I'm pretty sure
Xanthan’s comment was chasm.
My however was part chasm and part dread.
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I dunno
I was pretty sure he was telepathically channeling Sabez. Computers can do that, right? Hmmm…. maybe he hacked into Susans’ email.
[Poorly Wrought THING] is what Brian Sabean would have made if he were a [THING-maker] instead of a MLB GM
/Freddy breaks arm slapping Wilson on the back
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 21, 2011 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
/Wilson's back snaps in two
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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WAR Question
Is post-season included in a player’s WAR?
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Thanks
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
GOAL SIDNEY CROSBY
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Hockey OT:
Sidney Crosby just scored his first goal of the season 5 min into his first game back from concussion.
We are never going to hear the end of this
The Islanders 4th string goalie. It is the hockey equivalent of starting him in AAA for rehab
by WhatsAMataHari on Nov 21, 2011 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
it WAS a very good goal though
the burst of speed is incredible
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I'm completely fine with all this Crosby hype
He’s hands-down the best player in the league. I mean, people used to be able to make a case for Ovechkin, but with his apathetic play and refusal to play defense, Crosby has distanced himself in the front of the pack. He would have won Richard and Art Ross last year if not for the concussion, he’s won the Hart, he’s won the Cup as a Captain, he single-handedly brought back the Penguins from the brink of relocation; he’s done pretty much everything a player can do and he’s 24 years old.
Every other league would hype their stars just as much, if not more, in this same situation. I mean, can you even imagine the hype if Peyton Manning comes back? And Strasburg got quite a bit of hype when he came back despite not even playing in the league a full year. Hell, we even have Posey watch here, and I’m sure everyone will be freaking out when he plays his first game back from injury.
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Arguments that unironically construct a divide between the stat nerd and the fan who watches the game are boring.
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AND I JUST BET THAT YOU WOULDN’T WOULDN’T YOU
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by howtheyscored on Nov 21, 2011 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
THIS HURTS MY HEAD
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BUT NOT MINE
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by howtheyscored on Nov 21, 2011 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
It’s in the OED.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 21, 2011 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
Well, really, unironic and unironical are. The adverb is then only natural.
It’s explicitly in M-W.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 21, 2011 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
I can see the logic of its progression, but I don’t see the point in saying unironically in such a descriptive sentence. Perhaps I can’t see the reason for an emphasis of something having no irony. Thinking about this and trying to make sense of it really hurts my brain.
I used the word mostly because, I think, most of the time that divide shows up around here these days, it’s constructed in the interest of irony. I was just preemptively excluding those instances.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 21, 2011 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
SHUT UP AND ENJOY THE GAME, NERD
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IF IT'S NOT IN THE STAZ DON'T MENTION IT
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 21, 2011 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
oh sweet jesus
The first six innings are overrated.
I was alerted to that this morning
Just give me one of them yellow blocks plz.
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lol
Average cost at the 20 costliest restaurants in SF
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
something seems really off with that average single meal amount
The first six innings are overrated.
Maybe it’s for two? Or ordering appetizer, dessert, and wine in addition to the main course?
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I suppose
Also, how fat must a family of 4 be to spend 34 dollars at Arbys?
The first six innings are overrated.
is this the one with
the 42 dollar pinto beans?
CROSBY ASSIST
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CROSBY SETTLES NBA LABOR STRIFE
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 21, 2011 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
CROSBY HOSTS MIDEAST PEACE SUMMIT
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 21, 2011 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
CROSBY'S MILKSHAKE BRINGS ALL THE BOYS TO THE YARD
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CROSBY IS THE 1%
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
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November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
by GIANT stoner on Nov 21, 2011 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
CROSBOW!
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 21, 2011 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
Damnit, was chopped
And I was just about to write a long comment in the Barkley vs. Luck thread fangirling over Matt Barkley and how he should totally be a Heisman finalist this year and how I hope oh so much that he stays one more year.
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You can do that here.
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Well, to begin my fangirling, here’s a video released by USC Athletics promoting Barkley for Heisman.
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He looks like a jocky Draco Malfoy there.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 21, 2011 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
Looks pretty punchable to me
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He’s a QB at USC, thus punchable
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 21, 2011 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
Andrew Luck is really good.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 21, 2011 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
He’s had a good couple of halves, but I still haven’t seen a flat out whole good game from him in a while. His targets being injured has not helped.
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I think the field quality this last Saturday was a pretty big deal, too. It really affected Stanford’s gameplan, and he still make great adjustments to deal with it in the second half.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 21, 2011 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
Fucking tense.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 21, 2011 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
counterpoint
Maynard had a better game than him. That should be enough to eliminate any Heisman talk immediately.
/only a little hyperbole
The first six innings are overrated.
The best line I’ve seen about that is that Maynard would’ve been underthrowing the ball on a normal field, but his receivers were running slower than usual and he didn’t realize it.
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haha
Maynard is so bad; I’m not sure how Cal ended up stuck with him.
I’m reasonably happy with how close it was with Stanford and how much worse that makes them look, but it still hurts a bit to know we basically lost because of two incredibly stupid turnovers and not being able to get a stop on that loooooong 4th quarter stanford drive.
The first six innings are overrated.
Maynard was very efficient in the first half, but he was really, really bad in the second, I thought.
And I’ll give a greater benefit of the doubt to the proven talent who has a bad half than the proven suck who has a good one.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 21, 2011 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
I’m absolutely not defending Maynard and never will. As for Luck, I just feel like he’s had a ton of hype and has had many opportunities to live up to it at big moments this year, and has yet to really do much that would warrant the consensus that he’s a sure thing in the NFL.
I think he’ll likely be a good QB at the pro level, but he’s looking less and less like what people thought he could be.
The first six innings are overrated.
I think to some extent we’re seeing exactly what would happen to any prospect of his caliber who goes in for his senior year instead of opting out as a junior, particularly in a year with a coaching change. There’s no way for his successes to live up to the hype, and no way for his slow halves to go unnoticed.
He’s arguably playing just as well as he did last season, and that’s an extremely high level all told.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 21, 2011 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
I cannot believe he went back for his senior year. Wasn’t he already predicted to go first overall? He could only go down in the draft.
People cite his commitment to education, which is commendable, but it isn’t like Stanford wouldn’t let him finish his education after his career was over.
by WhatsAMataHari on Nov 21, 2011 8:20 PM PST up reply actions
Technically, he's still a junior
But he’ll be picked first anyway, barring injury.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Whoops my bad. I thought he was a senior.
I know he will still be picked first, but the risk/reward at the start of the season seemed to be highly skewed toward risk and away from reward.
by WhatsAMataHari on Nov 21, 2011 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
The temptation to have a "normal life" for one more year would be tempting
I’m guessing he purchased a massive insurance policy against catastrophic injury
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Sounds expensive, but maybe possible.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
No idea, but I'd imagine it would work like this
If the odds are, say 10 to 1 against a massive injury, he’d buy a $2M policy for $200K. If he gets hurt and can’t play in the NFL, he collects $2 million. If he’s find, he pays the $200,00o out of his signing bonus.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
I don’t know who underwrites coverage like this any more.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
Probably the same types of companies...
…that insure million dollar hole-in-one holes at charity golf tourneys.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Oh yeah, all of those. Their offices are on Ponzi Street.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
So I just need a quick $200,000, and I’m a millionaire!
1. Get $200,000
2. Profit
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by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 8:33 AM PST up reply actions
He said that he made a commitment to the team to be there and not quit on them. That’s cool.
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It is cool. I am probably heartless, but the potential risk in his situation would terrify me if I were advising him.
by WhatsAMataHari on Nov 21, 2011 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
Neither of them
are anywhere close to Robert Griffin III in terms of being an actual quarterback. But hey, California’s the only state with college football right?
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hey guys let's grossly generalize more!
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ALL AZNS LOOK THE SAME
ALL WHITE PEOPLE DO THINGS LIKE THIS, WHERE AS ALL BLACK PEOPLE DO THINGS LIKE THAT
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LOL PAC 12 AND ITS “LIBRARIES” AND “UNIVERSITIES”
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 6:26 AM PST up reply actions
and those No-Bell Prizes.
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LOL California superiority
Because the University of Texas isn’t one of the best Public Universities in the nation. But hey I’m in the South, what do I know, DERP DERP
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SUUUEEEEEEE PIG!
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
With a side of Sooner Schooner, Sooner Schooner!
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
DownGoesBrown
We can all agree that Sidney Crosby was the big story in that period. Except for that Texas sportswriter, who thinks it was Michael Young.
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suck it nerbs
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"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
Eliminateme will be in on this
he never met a Wang he didn’t like
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
I got one from the “Department of Homeland Security” earlier today.
Homeland Security! So you know its legit!
I love the ones that are from the FBI using a hotmail address. That’s when you know your government is running out of money: they start using hotmail.
Torres IS the magic bean. - Johnny Disaster
by SituationalLefty on Nov 22, 2011 6:27 AM PST up reply actions
Ron Washington just called the bullpen and asked for Nathan instead of Adams
MLBTradeRumors.com
Rangers To Sign Joe Nathan http://bit.ly/rSFqkY
Pitching and defense wins championships, but oh those dingerz....
I look forward to Ron Washington misusing him
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Nope
Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
Nathan signs with #Rangers – two-year deal with club option. Feliz likely in rotation. First reported by @Sullivan_Rangers. #MLB
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Feliz wanted to join the rotation last season but was told to wait one more year.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 21, 2011 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
poor Ogando he'll never be the same after that Game 3 homer by Pujols
Lidge will comfort him
Pitching and defense wins championships, but oh those dingerz....
Ogando was the Byung Hun Kim of the 2011 WS
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 21, 2011 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
Someone thought Michael Young was the most valuable player in the AL?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 21, 2011 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
Need to be a subscriber to read the guy’s actual article, though. I wonder if it is really convincing, or just homeristic.
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How on Earth could it be convincing?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Oh, I doubt it could. I was just hoping to see him try. Although i get the sense it’s mainly a straw hat kind of argument: “I see him play with my own eyes!”
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It actually seems more like ‘he wasn’t the most productive player, he was the most valuable player’.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 21, 2011 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
Slightly relevant:
BattingStanceG Batting Stance Guy
Joe Nathan signs w/#Rangers after being promised 1st place AL MVP vote next 2 seasons.
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So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
It's handegg time.
"I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey, on how to gun down stolen base attempts
mlb.com Giants beat reporter Chris Haft inbox:
I’m getting more excited about Melky Cabrera being on the team after seeing he had the fifth-best batting average among Major League outfielders last year. How do you see the outfield shaking out? I would think that manager Bruce Bochy will give Aubrey Huff every opportunity to earn the starting first base job, so that puts Brandon Belt in the outfield. Do the pending four-year contracts for Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum mean a deal for Carlos Beltran probably won’t happen because of the ever-rising payroll? At this point, is it fair to think the starting outfield will be (left to right) Belt, Cabrera and Nate Schierholtz, unless Beltran comes back?
— Ray F., Miami
Though a lot can and will happen between now and the April 6 season opener at Arizona, a Belt-Cabrera-Schierholtz outfield seems possible. My crystal ball has malfunctioned numerous times over the years, but I don’t foresee Beltran returning to San Francisco. His price tag and the sight of him walking gamely through the clubhouse with huge ice packs on each knee probably will prevent the Giants from offering much more than a two-year contract. The Red Sox, rumored to be Beltran’s leading suitor, probably can top that. Finally, I wouldn’t refer to multiyear deals for Lincecum and Cain as “pending,” despite what you may have heard or read. “Pending” implies that these agreements soon will be finalized. They’re actually far from a sure thing, particularly since each contract will be astronomical.
10/11/11:
As for (Jonathan)Sanchez, he’ll remain a Giant, if you’ll recall general manager Brian Sabean’s remarks the day after the season ended. Sabean could change his mind if he receives an overwhelming offer for Sanchez, but I doubt that will happen.
So…Haft said his predictions aren’t always right, and you’re backing him up with a recent example. How…supportive?
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
I know JSanchez’s value dropped dramtically last year, but It’s frightening to think that Melky Cabrera represents an “overwhelming” offer in SabeanLand
i think it’s more likely that haft was just pulling stuff out of his butt
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Clabear has assured me it was a good return.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 21, 2011 7:05 PM PST up reply actions
Who is Clabear?
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by CalBear949 on Nov 21, 2011 8:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I have just come to realize
like the game results or quality of play in preseason football.
Every move or non-move or anything in off season baseball is actually, fundamentally, bad or disappointing.
Everything that seems good will fall away or be a mirage.
Anything slightly bad will be the true sign of permanent disaster.
Or so many will allow themselves to believe and this will cause rampant undergarment torsion.
Reporters should stick to reporting not commenting
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
History tells us that young closers who blow postseason leads in big moments rarely recover;it’s a good time for TEX to shift Neftali Feliz.
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ESPN FIGHT
keithlaw keithlaw
I don’t agree with this. RT @Buster_ESPN: History tells us that young closers who blow postseason leads in big moments rarely recover…
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Hey!! Maybe somebody should compile four lists
Young closers who had a good ps and were good later
Young closers who had a bad ps and were good later
Young closers who had a good ps and were bad later
Young closers who had a bad ps and were bad later
And then compare them.
keithlaw keithlaw
I do agree with @Buster_ESPN that what he stated is a bit of industry conventional wisdom. I disagree with him on its validity.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
That's a pretty hard bitch-slap
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Can't argue with that
Rally Jerry!
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McC: Its's a blog so they're a bunch of hipsters anyway-my brother
LOL BYUN HYUN KIM
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
What history?
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 21, 2011 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
What if Grenada had repelled the US invasion attempt in 1983?
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by CalBear949 on Nov 21, 2011 8:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
What if Glenda was actually the villain in The Wizard of Oz?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Can’t talk now, reading Bruce Jenkins article about Valverde owning games
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 6:26 AM PST up reply actions
2 years, 14.5 for Nathan.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 21, 2011 6:00 PM PST reply actions
PSA
ManCave Memorabilia is excited to announce that San Jose Sharks Ryane Clowe and Joe Pavelski will be signing autographs at ManCave Memorabilia on Dec 4th, 2011 from 1pm to 3pm
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I can’t think of another popular term right now that I hate more than “Mancave”.
I don’t want to live in a fucking cave. Caves suck. They’re dark and lonely and cold, and lonely because they’re dark and cold.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 21, 2011 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
Although it would be cool to have a basement or garage or whatever that one could chose to do what they want with. I’d most likely have a typical one with a bar, big screen, etc… Maybe a converted arcade game that uses a computer with all kind of roms.
Step 1: Stop renting and buy a house.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
/carlin'd
Just a place to put your stuff!
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 6:54 AM PST up reply actions
If I had a cool room with a giant TV and a bar and a pool table and whatever, I’d probably spend a lot of time there with my girlfriend.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 22, 2011 8:44 AM PST up reply actions
To me ‘mancave’ always brings to mind the basement in Silence of the Lambs.
Sheesh.
Torres IS the magic bean. - Johnny Disaster
by SituationalLefty on Nov 22, 2011 6:55 AM PST up reply actions
/giggles
“illegal touching” hehehehehe
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
So tempting to make the joke…
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
We should have another “Faces of McC” Fanshot. It’s been awhile.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 21, 2011 7:11 PM PST reply actions
4 hours later
We have dinner
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
Interesting decoration on the lower half of the plate.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 21, 2011 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
Odd – your pics aren’t showing up in my browser.
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There is no way in fuck I can focus on Chemistry right now.
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"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 21, 2011 8:01 PM PST reply actions
Oooh ooh all about chemisty
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
o hai there
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
It's only 8:22
but it feels like it’s 1 am.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
WEST COAST BIAS
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
BEST COAST
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
One of my biggest regrets
I was in Carmel about 20 years ago and wandered into a small art dealer who was showing/selling “Peanuts” seriagraphs. Charles Shulz was there chatting with the owner. I really wish I’d bought one of the Schulz seriagraphs and had him personally autograph it.
I’ve got something similar from Dr. Suess and it’s a prized possession.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
I figured it would be Grizzly Bears
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Nov 21, 2011 8:23 PM PST reply actions
LOL FRESNO
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
cross posted from the last thread
In reference to Grant’s supposition that “The real money is in the franchise’s value” of a team. I replied the following:
technically, the value of ANY business is the value of its future cash flows, so the value of the giants is that $3.2 million in profit growing at a reasonable growth rate in perpetuity discounted by a reasonable discount rate minus some liquidity premium insofar as you just can’t sell your share of a baseball team on the NYSE. (in other words, “franchise value” is just the value of every years profits, forever)
If I have some time I’ll see if there are any papers on it. Until the, putting "baseball" into SSRN’s search function yields some neat things. such as:
An Economic Evaluation of the Moneyball Hypothesis
Does Bat Day Make Cents?: The Effect of Promotions on the Demand for Baseball
Variable Ticket Pricing in Major League Baseball
(my own research on the 2009 season dynamic pricing showed a $15 premium for "special event" days, but I never pulled attendance figures to see if that increased as well)
and what may be my favorite:
The Contribution of the Infield Fly Rule to Western Civilization (and vice versa)
Baseball’s Infield Fly Rule is one of the most hotly contested topics in American law today. A recent major-league addition to the burgeoning literature is Neil B. Cohen and Spencer Weber Waller’s thorough and exhausting analysis of the rule’s conceptual roots in the jurisprudence of the past one hundred years. Yet their assumption that nothing of significance happened prior to the twentieth century ignores much significance that happened prior to the twentieth century. For example, despite the fact that the authors are technically correct in noting that baseball itself is not mentioned in the Bible, they overlook the more specific Biblical reference to the Infield Fly Rule. They also miss the historic contributions of Zeno, Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, Voltaire, Leibniz, and Riemann, among others
Apologies for cross posting, but the last article is so good I wanted it to get more exposure in an active thread…
"A Zito appears at first sight an extremely obvious, trivial thing. But its analysis brings out that it is a very strange thing, abounding in metaphysical subtleties and theological niceties."
...what?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
What Michael Vicky was a Martian?
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by CalBear949 on Nov 21, 2011 8:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
unintentional comedy with
Michael Vicky
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by CalBear949 on Nov 21, 2011 8:52 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
valuation in _four_ easy steps
1. Money today is worth more than money tomorrow. Ergo, money n years from now is worth more than money n + 1 years from now (this is also known as the time value of money).
2. The difference between n and n + 1, expressed as a rate, is called the discount rate.
3. The value of anything is the present value of all future cash flows (sometimes seen as PVFCF), i.e. all future cash that could be returned to equity holders, discount at the discount rate.
4. Liquidity matters*: if you can’t sell something to someone, it’s value is zero. Ergo things that do not trade regularly have some value between $0 and $PVFCF. Usually things that do not have active markets suffer between a 20-30% discount from what PVFCF says they should get.
*This is actually a subset of my ugly rendition of the Efficient Market Hypothesis (EMH) which is roughly translated as the “There is No Risk Free Lunch”, which basically states that if there is a risk to an investment, it will be priced into that investment in some way. Not being able to sell a thing you own (liquidity risk) is absolutely a risk, and you should be compensated for it (i.e. by being able to buy a Baseball team that should be worth $500 million for $400 million because you can’t just turn around and sell a baseball team on the floor of the NYSE).
"A Zito appears at first sight an extremely obvious, trivial thing. But its analysis brings out that it is a very strange thing, abounding in metaphysical subtleties and theological niceties."
I feel stupid.
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by CalBear949 on Nov 21, 2011 9:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I feel like we’re being punk’d.
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She’s working on it.
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by can of corn on Nov 21, 2011 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
I believe this is why economics is called “the dismal science.”
Torres IS the magic bean. - Johnny Disaster
by SituationalLefty on Nov 21, 2011 9:34 PM PST up reply actions
I would understand if I really read it and cared to read it (more than a minutes). But I like to read these thread quickly.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
tl;dnr
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 21, 2011 11:44 PM PST up reply actions
hahaha
you said “Efficient Market Hypothesis”.
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"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 6:28 AM PST up reply actions
the biggest issue I had with Grant's point
The real money is in the franchise’s value" of a team.
Yes, franchise values historically grow, BUT as an owner, the only way you realize that gain is to either sell the team or sell a percentage of the team.
If the current owners, who seem to want to stay on board, don’t want to have cash calls (where the finance people call them up and say "We’re short on cash, you need to kick in $X), is it really unreasonable for them to have a little bit of a cushion and make a little money? By the same token, the RDF that gets mocked here seems reasonable to me as well.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
I think it depends on the magnitude of the rainy day fund and whether it’s held by the team or the owners (in their individual accounts). And I have personally worked for more than one partnership where the partners preferred stiffing creditors and running on thin margins and periodic capital contributions from personal funds.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
whether it’s held by the team or the owners (in their individual accounts).
This is where we could benefit from a clearer definition of the RDF.
I think RDF is code for dividends, not a cash reserve that can be accessed for fluctuations in opperating costs and acquisition of assets.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
lulz
I’m sure they’ll be releasing financials any day now!
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"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
Are you asking me to give a shit if owning a sports franchise isn’t a guaranteed investment? Or that you only make your money when you cash out? Because I have trouble doing those things.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 22, 2011 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
technically, the value of ANY business is the value of its future cash flows, so the value of the giants is that $3.2 million in profit growing at a reasonable growth rate in perpetuity discounted by a reasonable discount rate minus some liquidity premium insofar as you just can’t sell your share of a baseball team on the NYSE. (in other words, "franchise value" is just the value of every years profits, forever)
But the whole premis of NPV is pretty narrow and I would think on shaky ground. The idea that one can value anything based on presumed perpetual profits is folly. Forces of disruption continually push profitable firms up market and out of business.
Here’s a great article from Forbes on it.
And a nice little quote…
Although the use of the tools could be improved, the IRR and ROA do tend to imply a static external environment, at a time when the external environment is highly dynamic. Businesses that exist today may be gone tomorrow. To survive in this world, a different kind of mindset is needed.
In this new world, the bottom of line of business isn’t profits but rather customer delight, i.e. the provision of a continuous stream of additional value to customers and delivering it sooner. As a result of epochal shift of power in the marketplace from seller to buyer, the customer is now in charge. We now live in the age of customer capitalism. Making money and corporate survival now depend not merely on pushing products at customers but rather on delighting them so that they want to keep on buying. To prosper, firms must have knowledge workers who are continuously innovating and delivering a steady supply of new value to customers and delivering it sooner.
So assuming perpetual profits does not work if you do not have a framework for satisfying customers.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
valuing on customer delight is *less* shaky than valuing it on cash flows?
I mean, when actually performing a valuation, you usually go 5 or so years out in cash flows, then estimate a “terminal value” of the business, which is either done by assuming a conservative growth rate (usually about equal to inflation, under the assumption that maintaining consistent economic profits is impossible, similar to your disruption theme) to the cash flows or by using a multiple of some estimated metric like Cash Flows or Revenues to Equity or Enterprise value from recent similar transactions.
Obviously any method of valuation is going to have some pretty big assumptions baked in (what discount rate did you chose? what comps did you choose? are your growth rates rational?) but these are all fairly well known and can be sensitivity tested easily.
But I have no idea how to measure “customer delight” in a way that should translate into “$”. This is getting into click/eyeball territory of valuation.
"A Zito appears at first sight an extremely obvious, trivial thing. But its analysis brings out that it is a very strange thing, abounding in metaphysical subtleties and theological niceties."
A big extension for Wilson would be a silly misallocation of resources for a talented by erratic player with high bust potential
In other words, I’m shocked they haven’t done it already.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Talented runs parallel to erratic.
Got it.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Something like that.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Oh, and lest I forget
A player whose value is vastly overstated by “traditional” statistics instead of ones that “make sense”.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
It is a little harsh to criticize the FO for a move it has not even made, no?
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by CalBear949 on Nov 21, 2011 8:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Absolutely.
ATTENTION GIANTS FRONT OFFICE:
I’m not criticizing you for something you haven’t done. I believe in you. Don’t extend Wilson. If anything, trade him. I know you haven’t done anything yet, and that’s good. But you need to stop talking about Brian Wilson like he’s a part of the long-term future of the team.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Maybe Wilson will do something quirky.
Like take a 4 year, $10 million dollar deal.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 21, 2011 9:01 PM PST up reply actions
All I’m getting from this is that GiantPain glanced at Wilson’s bust.
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THESE BUSTS ARE STACKED
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Check out the package GP. You know you want it.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 21, 2011 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
He signed WIllie Bloomquist.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 21, 2011 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
POW!
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 6:28 AM PST up reply actions
Man
LSB hated the Michael Young vote more than anyone. Check out this thread. Evan Grant evens comments near the bottom, and they continue to bash him.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 21, 2011 8:41 PM PST reply actions
Wow
That Josey Wales guy is a freaking lunatic.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
@BenBadler:
Michael Young wasn’t even the Rangers’ most valuable Michael.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
can of corn
Napoli beat him out by quite a bit
And wow. I never realized Nelson Cruz was a 1.6 WAR player this year in 124 games. I guess the .312 OBP didn’t help. Or the -6.1 fielding value.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 21, 2011 9:20 PM PST up reply actions
Sheesh.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 21, 2011 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
That thread is amazing. First of all, Evan Grant commented on it. Why don’t we ever see Baggs here? C’mon dude – join us! Second, it has the full text of Grant’s column. Bloody hell – it is the straw hat justification: “Statistics are hard! I just thought he was good!” Third, Grant’s response was kinda whiny.
Overall, a fantastic thread.
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Susan Slusser comments on Athletics Nation from time to time. Sam Miller (who is awesome) has posted here in the past.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Sam Miller is definitely my favorite beat writer behind maybe Joe Posnanski
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 21, 2011 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
Posnanski doesn’t do beat writing anymore, so Miller wins by default.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Definitely Miller than.
I do like Baggs though.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 21, 2011 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
Baggs is definitely good at what he does
But Miller isn’t just a legit journalist; he’s also funny enough that he could do the sort of writing that Grant does, and he seems to know way more about teams in the other league than any person ought to. Plus he gets advanced statistics.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
I know!
I’m agreeing with you!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 21, 2011 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
I will not be silenced.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 21, 2011 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
Even though you couldn’t really hear me in the first place.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 21, 2011 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
Miller is by far the most educated when it comes to advanced statistics, in terms of beat writers
He even writes for Baseball Prospectus from time to time.
by free f.p. #14 on Nov 22, 2011 1:09 AM PST up reply actions
Wow
From that dude’s article:
Of course, you’d have to first determine which WAR formula you want to use, since it is a non-standardized formula. Given the WAR formula used by Baseball Reference.com, Verlander and Jose Bautista tied for the AL’s most WAR-y player. The formula used at Fangraphs.com has Jacoby Ellsbury as your AL leader. When somebody can quickly explain the complexities of the concept and standardize the WAR formula, I’ll spend more time with it.
In the meantime, I’ll go with what my eyes told me.
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Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Oops. Closed the block quote too early.
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I thought that was you parodying him.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
LOL nope. Those are his words.
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I like how part of his argument
is that Young batted in 3 different lineup spots.
…Uh, so?
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I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I read this as "Even Grant comments near the bottom..."
My first question was whose bottom was Grant near when he was commenting. Certainly not mine.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
What?
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
Heard feliz was judged in no condition and too upset to come out for 2nd inning in game 6, necessitating the oliver twist
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
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SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
Move to rotation is best for feliz, in part because he showed in game 6 his nerves weren’t made of steel
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
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He must have a starter’s mentality.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 21, 2011 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
TrippingOlney Not Buster Olney
HEARD THIS: ANY CLOSER WHO BLOWS A SAVE IN A BIG POSTSEASON GAME IS PROVEN TO BE A BLUBBERING WEAKLING WHO THEN BECOMES A SHELL OF HIMSELF.
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Darren Oliver blew in the 10th
Urban Dictionary: Oliver Twist
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Oliver%20Twist
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 21, 2011 9:49 PM PST up reply actions
Carlos Beltran goes through ‘The Shredder" on MLB Network’s “Clubhouse Confidential”: http://mlbnetwork.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=20005685
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
OT: US medical care
My son got a one-inch gash on his head the other month, and like a good parent I took him to the ER to get it glued shut, instead of just living with a big ol’ scar for a few years that would have under the hairline anyway.
My good parenting is going to cost $2,000. And I have health insurance.
The sooner the revolution comes and we can have socialized freaking medicine, the better.
Next time I am krazy gluing the child’s wounds my damned self.
Yup. We had something similar last year when my youngest dislocated her elbow. In a trip to the ER, she never even saw an exam room – the ER doc brought her into the small break room and sat her down on a chair, felt around her joint then bent it quickly to realign it. no x-rays, no meds, not even a bed or exam table to change. And the full cost was thousands of dollars; we ended up paying a couple hundred of that.
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by can of corn on Nov 21, 2011 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
$2,000 isn’t the full cost, it’s the negotiated rate.
I am used to US ‘list prices’ for healthcare. The point of having insurance is to pay a fair, negotiated rate.
Tomorrow I will try to find out who at my 13,000-headcount employer owns the relationship with the insurance provider. My calling them will not impress them. The person attached to that size relationship will.
I am starting to think the Brezhnev era got a bad rap.
Definitely approach it through your employer. That’s pretty outrageous.
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by can of corn on Nov 21, 2011 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
That happened to both me and my brother (at different times). When my brother cut his forehead it was in Bangladesh. I wonder which one cost more; I’ll have to ask sometime.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
When my brother cut his head my parents were out of the house and we were doing something dumb we shouldn’t have been, so we hid it. Cost: $0. When I cut my head, it was in Austria. I am sure there was some nominal fee. It would have been paid in Schillings, not Euros. I’m guessing $10 worth.
If a Republican is a liberal with money, then a Social Democrat is a conservative with a medical bill.
I haven't seen numbers lately
but health costs are the predominant cause of many (formerly most) personal bankruptcies in the US.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 6:30 AM PST up reply actions
also
I assume this means you are discovering the difference between costs associated with an HMO vs. costs associated with a PPO.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 6:31 AM PST up reply actions
nope
I’ve had both HMOs and PPOs my whole life. This is wholly outside my experience. PPOs are supposed to provide fair, if egregious, pricing within their networks. $2,000 for a one-inch skin split is legendarily outside the realm of fair.
They provide the contracted benefits. I assume you checked the math and the bill and the contracted amounts and asked the insurer what they are doing?
That said, I’m with the rest of your post above. Particularly since what, 75% of the US is already in government insurance via a government employer, Medicaid/Medical/Medicare, or the military? But there are way, way too many vested interests in the machine for that to go down here.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 6:38 AM PST up reply actions
I am pretty sure I was both overbilled and misbilled. I have some sternly worded emails out to CPMC. That is, for those of you spidering on the web for Google and other sites, the California Pacific Medical Center, California Campus. I used to have warm feelings for them, since they had always treated the child well, as providers of care for his birth and his contracted urgent-care facility.
Those warm feelings are gone. CPMC-California will bill you $2,000 to close a less-than-1" cut.
In other news, fuck the US medical establishment.
There is ample opportunity for simple screwup as well as outright fraud and legalized robbery. Good luck sorting among them.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 8:44 AM PST up reply actions
Problem is that
you were paying for the 3-5 other patients who didn’t pay.
Urgent care is your friend. Payment upfront.
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Our urgent care would not take us, apparently. And they bill after. But they have never screwed us like this.
I am curious to see how much I can change this bill without going to court. If I can’t, I am thinking that perhaps a local columnist wants to hang a column on my story. Perhaps with CPMC’s head of billing to comment. If I have to pay this, I want publicly to shame the people involved.
Yes, I am petty and vindictive.
You might want to look at the things that you signed before being admitted. It pretty much says that you promise to pay what you are billed. Also, you would probably have to go to binding arbitration.
Your best choice is to talk to their billing department and demand a reduction. You can also do a payment plan and drag it out as long as possible. Say, I can only pay $10 a month.
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I always read what I sign. It said, I promise to pay for the services I receive. I shall be interested to see how CPMC makes its charges congrue with the services it rendered.
Don’t worry, I know better than actually to go to court. My primary tactics, as noted, will be persistence and pressure. But if that doesn’t work, and it likely will not, I am going to get my money’s worth. Public shame is my current plan, but this story may be too pedestrian to peddle. In that event, I am completely comfortable showing up at their next board meeting.
Small claims court can be your friend too.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 9:32 AM PST up reply actions
You’re not the one paying to send someone to respond to you.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 9:41 AM PST up reply actions
Binding arbitration is in your future.
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Very likely. And some socially awkward appearances at board and committee meetings.
The buck stops with the board.
This is good advice considering you have no idea whether the arb clause exempts (as many in CA do) small claims actions.
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"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
Does your company have Health Advocate? They’re the type of company that deals with these issues and can help with your dispute with CPMC and your insurance company. Did you meet your yearly deductible? For emergency room visits, there should be a maximum allowable amount negotiated with the physician. I can’t imagine that amount to be $2,000, even for a PPO. CPMC screwed up. Good luck!
I’ve got a ticket open with HR, but I don’t have much confidence in them.
The more I think about it, the less I think it is a mistake. A good lesson never, ever to use an emergency room unless you have actually been hit by a bus. Next time, the child will just have a nice dueling scar. Because really, fuck the people who are balancing their budget on the backs of people in immediate need of care.
This will probably be lost in this thread, but I’d extend that to ambulances too.
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"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah. US medical care is a fucking joke. I’ve had a similar experience with the ER and my son.
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But it's the best in the world!!!
I can guarantee that people in Japan, Germany, Taiwan, Canada, and GB disagree.
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I won’t dispute that perhaps we have the best technology, practices, etc… because I don’t know either way (although that is what I’ve heard). However, when that technology is so expensive that it puts people into bankruptcy then what is the point.
AT LEAST YOU HAVE YOUR HEALTH
/garnishes your wages
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Yeah, commentary about the horrors of other nations’ medical care is usually proffered by people who have never been to any of those places for more than three days, or people who don’t know Real Americans struggling to pay for their insurance or their medical bills (or foreign tourists saddled with bills while they’re here on holiday).
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 7:58 AM PST up reply actions
wow
Woodland police responded to an armed robbery at a Dollar Tree store this evening, according to authorities.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Getting a little desperate, are we?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 21, 2011 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
The thieves made off with dozens of dollars of merchandise.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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Dozens of items!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Not as crazy as it sounds, if people mostly pay in cash there. I don’t know about Dollar Tree, but I’ve been in more than one “dollar store” that doesn’t hew religiously to the pricing model.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 6:32 AM PST up reply actions
ughhh POKEMONZ
Thank you, Aaron Rodgers, for throwing a -1 yard screen pass on the final drive and losing the 300 yard bonus. I certainly couldn’t have used that, seeing as how I lost by .17 points.
The first six innings are overrated.
Revisionist History
MLB Network is showing the last 50 years’ WS recaps and their 20 Greatest Games over the holiday weekend beginning 10am Thursday. Saw this in the Comcast program guide for Friday, 11pm:
Classic World Series Film
“1989: Athletics vs. Giants”
11:00-12:00a | Ch 729 MLBHD
The 1989 Fall Classic between Oakland and San Francisco. The Giants rolled to a four-game sweep of their Bay Area rivals in a Series best remembered for a devastating earthquake that rocked the region during Game 3.
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
I checked and they got the caption right for the 1962 Series.
Also, Sunday 11:30am, they have a 2-hour recap of the 2010 WS. I might have to set the DVR for that one.
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
I get to go home soon
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 21, 2011 11:52 PM PST reply actions
My #1 fear is still Betancourt.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 22, 2011 12:07 AM PST reply actions
im afraid we are still going to end up with willie bloomquist somehow.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Nov 22, 2011 2:09 AM PST up reply actions
How is Betancourt more scary than Jack Wilson?
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Pronunciation, for one.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 22, 2011 7:55 AM PST up reply actions
but a lot funnier to hear Kruk or Kuip trying to say his first name.
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“Betamax due to lead off the third…”
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
by bgunn on Nov 22, 2011 9:16 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The Giants acquired Betamax in the offseason because they believe that it was better than VHS in quality and usability. There is some talk that the Giants should have made the more popular choice in getting VHS.
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After some thought, I think I see what the posturing is over
The Giants threw out what seemed like a silly statistic a few days back.
With a payroll of $130mm they need to sell 3.1mm tickets in order to break even. Since we all know a large chunk of the team’s revenue comes from sources other than ticket revenue, this looked odd to me.
The Giants, it seems, are trying to show the league the importance of San Jose if the franchise wants to remain an elite team. Give San Jose to the A’s and the Giants loose television rights, merchandise revenue, and the majority of their corporate sponsorship. They suddenly struggle to make $3.1mm.
Unfortunately, it seems they are illustrating this point at the expense of the 2012 season unless they expect a decision to come down at the winter meetings (this might be the case)
My guess is that if/when the Giants are awarded San Jose (not unlikely considering the corporate investments) you will see their payroll boosted appropriately. Without San Jose, the Giants may as well play in Sacramento.
I don't think I'm understanding you
if/when the Giants are awarded San Jose (not unlikely considering the corporate investments)
Leaving time out of the equation, you think there’s a chance the league will not let the A’s move to SJ?
Without San Jose, the Giants may as well play in Sacramento
Considering they’ll be able to eat the entire East Bay (I know a lot of people in Contra Costa and Alameda that think of the A’s as an “East Bay Thang”) and most of northern California beyond that will now be an hour further away from the A’s, what does that mean? Nobody in SF is going to suddenly be interested in the San Jose A’s either (and plenty will start ignoring them, including me).
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 7:36 AM PST up reply actions
Financials
Still waiting on the 2011 update from Forbes…
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2011/33/baseball-valuations-11_San-Francisco-Giants_339175.html
The “major” sponsorship data doesn’t really point to how much of SF’s money comes from businesses on the peninsula and below though.
OK, I was just asking what led you to these conclusions, or if those were in fact your conclusions at all.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 8:00 AM PST up reply actions
But the issue is that the Giants get a lot of their support from the South Bay and the Peninsula.
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Not all of which will evaporate instantly, while the Giants can finish strangling the A’s out of the North Bay, East Bay, and Sacramento and beyond. Presumably while cashing tasty annual checks from Lew Wolff for 10 or more years.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 8:01 AM PST up reply actions
Sure
but why would you give up a dedicated audience/market? Especially when the A’s have absolutely no leverage with MLB. It would surprise me to see MLB give San Jose to the A’s now.
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NO WAY SAN JOSE
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I am not postulating that they would willingly do so, but if the 15 AL owners don’t want something other than a black hole on their schedule they’re idiots. That leaves just a few votes to buy in the NL. I don’t know that it happens now, but every year that goes by is another year the Yankees and Red Sox don’t get much for their road trips.
So, assuming the owners aren’t collectively stupid and realize having a 1/30 dead weight is bad for the league (dangerous assumptions, but still), it’s about Benjamin Franklin and how many of him will be rendered. Let’s say it’s $20M per year for 10 years. The Giants need do nothing to collect this money. No marketing, no mailing tickets, no nothing. Maybe they get some nice TV rules like no A’s broadcasts north of Stockton/Fremont. Maybe a new paint job for the team bus. Whatever
If they can’t out-compete the A’s with those kind of ground rules over a decade, with the head start from 2010, it probably doesn’t matter whether MLB “gives” San Jose to the A’s now or next year.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 8:12 AM PST up reply actions
They would probably be happier to move the A’s to another market. Portland or Las Vegas.
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Well, since one of those places has no baseball stadium and literally no hope of getting one in the next 10 years, and the other is among the worst economic disaster zones in the nation, those are probably stupider ideas than just getting a lot of nice fat checks for the next 10 years.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
They as in MLB not the Giants.
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That doesn’t change circumstances in PDX or LAS.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 9:29 AM PST up reply actions
sure
but it does in the long run. MLB would want another team in the Northwest or Vegas. Vegas is depressed now but it is still an important city on the map.
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So, AL owners will take it in the shorts for another decade while they wait for Las Vegas to rebound? They are most notable for their long-term planning.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 9:35 AM PST up reply actions
They have bigger issues with Tampa Bay.
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Yes, and how does that demonstrate they wish to have two anchors for a decade instead of one?
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
I just think they will look at long term issues more than the immediate remedy. Portland, Vegas, and the Carolina area are prime for teams. Long term planning is good for MLB now (see the new CBA).
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Seriously, Portland is not happening in the next decade. They turned their last baseball facility into a soccer only stadium and have lost three minor league clubs since 1993.
See, for example, the news section on the Oregon Stadium Campaign page, with its most recent update on the Montreal Expos. They’re excited to have Governor Kulongoski on board!
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 9:47 AM PST up reply actions
ARGH
PORTLAND COULD NOT SUPPORT A AAA TEAM
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Where were you when I needed you?
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
Portland did not support a AAA team, it’s true. Perhaps it’s because Portlanders don’t consider Portland a minor league city and resented having a minor league team.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 22, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
two AAA teams and an A team
Or because there’s no political will to build a free stadium or anything else involving baseball.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
it’s about Benjamin Franklin and how many of him will be rendered.
I wonder how much grease would have been rendered out of the original Benjamin Franklin. He was a pretty portly guy.
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by SituationalLefty on Nov 22, 2011 8:36 AM PST up reply actions
My guess is that if/when the Giants are awarded San Jose (not unlikely considering the corporate investments) you will see their payroll RDF boosted appropriately.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
unless MLB throws craploads of money and love notes at the Giants to appease them, much like they gave Angelos in Baltimore. But, yeah, I can see the RDF increasing if the A’s move.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 22, 2011 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
I love interviewing the guy from Triple-A about holiday travel. He cracks me up.
Ahhhh. That was fun. Weather map shortly.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Brandon Belt is outside an AAA office somewhere waiting for it to open.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 7:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Old habit. In copy, “triple-A” is preferred, because that’s how it is pronounced. Spelling it “AAA” would lead the anchor to say “aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa” on the air. Which is stupid.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Think of all the youtube hits you’d get though.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 22, 2011 9:18 AM PST up reply actions
I’m glad you can enjoy that kind of duty. I always feel bad for the reporter sent to SFO. “Lines are long, flights are delayed….” I guess it’s better than standing outside in a storm. Unless of course they have the bad luck to be working on a stormy Wednesday before Thanksgiving, in which they get to stand outside in the rain and describe the lines inside the terminal.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 7:43 AM PST up reply actions
They are feeding us at work today. Eight turkeys (four of them fried), two hams, potatoes, stuffing, casseroles, pies and cakes. It smells like fried poultry in the office, and it is maddening.
WHY IS MELKY
Mayor of Smug.
I’m so hungry right now.
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I just had some ham and egg biscuits from Carl’s Jr. Completely fattening but very good. And 2 for $2!
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Our Thanksgiving grub is in 20 minutes. But it’s more of a potluck with coworkers providing the side dishes. I may pass on the whole deal. I’m not big on people today.
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"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
Today's Weather
Two big storm systems on our weather maps this morning. The first is a strong low over West Virginia, moving northeast. The atmosphere in the Deep South is conducive for severe thunderstorm development throughout the day. So as a cold front pushes east, it will trigger severe storms from the Gulf Coast north to Tennessee. Isolated tornadoes are possible, especially in Mississippi and Alabama. The same storm system will bring rain to the Ohio Valley and Mid-Atlantic.
The second system to watch is making landfall in British Columbia today. Heavy rain and gusty winds will affect the Pacific Northwest coast, as far south as Humboldt County. Inland, that system will produce moderate snowfall in the higher elevation of the northern Rockies. Snow totals of four to five inches are possible in Idaho’s Sawtooth Range. Interestingly, in the lower elevations, temperatures this afternoon will run 10 to 20 degrees warmer than average.
Snow and ice are expected later today in the Adirondacks of New York, as well as northern New England.
Overcast skies are in the mix for most of the upper Midwest. The region should clear overnight.
The Southwest should see sunny skies and highs running at seasonal averages.
Our pick city is Hollywood, California, Freddy Sanchez’s hometown. Sunny and 64.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
DC's got a whole lotta berkman 'round.
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Gee, my local NPR crew doesn’t do weather like this.
I’m thinkin’ of movin’ to Knoxville.
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by SituationalLefty on Nov 22, 2011 8:34 AM PST up reply actions
On that midnight train to Seymour.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I had a dream that someone spammed McC with porn
Just post after post after post of video and picture links, and for some reason nobody was deleting it.
The weird part about my dream was, I’m pretty sure it wasn’t Lars.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 22, 2011 8:38 AM PST reply actions
holy crap
Cafe Intermezzo and Raleigh’s burned down?
I hope that corner doesn’t end up like the rat lair across the street. And Cody’s on the other corner has been closed forever. Hang on, Amoeba.
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Wow. The Telegraph Ave of my young adulthood is gone like everything else!
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by SituationalLefty on Nov 22, 2011 9:17 AM PST up reply actions
Sad
I loved Cafe Intermezzo. This is almost as sad as Sufficient Grounds closing.
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'morning!
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
School.
Ugh, so close. Is it tomorrow yet?
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
Hey! It worked.
I’ve been getting weird error messages since I first tried to log on.
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Marlins
The Miami Herald:
While the Marlins have spoken to the A’s about a possible trade for lefty Gio Gonzalez, Oakland’s demands — specifically, some sort of package containing either Logan Morrison or Mike Stanton — have been flatly rejected.
This whole thing by the Marlins is a publicity stunt.
Stanton I get. He’s 21 and a beast. LoMo is a reasonable trade for Gio though. The dude is 23 and can rake but has attitude problems and is a clankmit.
Gio has been money the last two years and would be Marlins’ 2nd best SP.
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How does he have attitude problems?
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
He can't pull out of this roll!
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Come on. This is a perfectly good aviation joke.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
/pats back
I appreciated it; I just didn’t know what to say
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 22, 2011 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
Explain the joke some more. I always find that when I do that, it makes it funnier.
WHY IS MELKY
Mayor of Smug.
Because pianist sounds like penis! Because the genie had hearing problems, remember? No one would wish for a 10 inch pianist! The genie misheard him!
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 22, 2011 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
Yaw come back now, y'hear?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Cold-hearted pitch.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I can’t stay mad at you. Here, have some more stuffing.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Squee!
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I thought that’s why Marlins sent him down to the minors for a few days.
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That entire situation
Reflected more on the Marlins attitude problems than Morrison’s.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Okay.
the remaining points stand.
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What, that he's bad on defense?
Sure, but he’s not actually a left fielder – he’s a first baseman. He’d be better off there.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Probably
but he has only played LF in the majors so I can only judge him there.
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What's interesting
is that apparently Marlins were willing to give up LoMo for James Shield. Now Shields is a very good pitcher but he had a bad 2010 and is 4 years older than Gio.
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SL
That may be true, but he’s also all, “Whatevs, y’all. I’m chill.”
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Was he hanging out with Timmy?
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The Pitching Firm of Shields and Price
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 22, 2011 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
Just not in the postseason.
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The Giants version of this would be awesome
it would be the best pitching firm ever.
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Of counsel: Vogue
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by SituationalLefty on Nov 22, 2011 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
That's seem like a little bit of an
attitude problem.
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He got sent to AAA for being a jerk. It may have been a shitty reason to send a guy to AAA, but it seems to make it pretty clear that he’s a jerk.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 8:38 AM PST up reply actions
Which is of course not to say that the Marlins aren’t also jerks in the whole mess.
But you don’t get reprimanded by your team for being a nice guy unless you’re Andres Torres.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2011 8:40 AM PST up reply actions
San Jose A's
According to a major-league source, Beane accompanied owner Lew Wolff to meet with Commissioner Bud Selig in Scottsdale, Ariz., two weeks ago. Beane declined to confirm or deny his presence or that the meeting even took place.
Oakland lost money last season for the first time this century, with an expected shortfall of several million dollars, according to Beane. The team is consistently a recipient of $20 million or more in revenue sharing, and Oakland’s attendance actually went up in 2011, but the payroll also went up $15 million, from $52 million to $67 million.
Many fans point to the deep pockets of A’s ownership, which includes the Gap’s John Fisher, as a reason the team should spend more on payroll no matter what the revenue.
“It’s a business,” Beane said. “And the business should be able to stand on its own two feet.”
At a basic level, I do not understand where they think they are going to get the money to pay for a stadium and money to pay off the Giants. Unless they already have it and this act is all a load of shite.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
When the Fremont “ballpark” plan was unveiled it was like a mall—a faux city—kinda like Santana Row in San Jose. I assume The Wolf thinks he’ll make money off the development of the real estate, because that’s what he does.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
That’s why I ask that question, because that whole development model (at least for public financing, and I assume by extension corporate financing) is still a dead issue for the moment.
And here I’m just talking about construction-type cash and the ability to assume 10+ years of debt like the Giants did.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
I didn’t state it explicitly: Wolff will use his own money and raise investors for the non-baseball part of the equation, pay for stadium with profits and city money if they can milk some out of (presumably) SJ.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
That’s a looooooooootta money.
SJ isn’t exactly overflowing with cash either, I’m assuming they’ve done their part with that last purchase.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 9:47 AM PST up reply actions
I still don’t know why the A’s does not do a AT&T part deux at Jack London Square. It’s a perfect location and probably really cheap right now.
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No transit, although that wasn’t a problem in Fremont, apparently. And they have to buy way too many parcels I think (“really cheap” is still out of the A’s price range). Unless you’re talking about Victory Court.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 9:41 AM PST up reply actions
Wait, aren’t the A’s paying a bunch of parcel in SJC? That is a lot more expensive than land in Oakland. Also, I am pretty sure the city/port owed a lot of that area and would cut the A’s a deal. It would be similar to what SF did for the Giants.
Also, BART and Amtrak are right next to Jack London Square.
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I really don’t know, because I didn’t track which parcels they bought in SJ nor have I priced all the lots in Jack London Square lately.
Which BART station are you referring to, 12th Street with it’s long dark 10-block walk to the waterfront, or Lake Merritt with its interesting jaunt through Chinatown?
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
Lake Merritt
It’s not great now but the idea would be that a stadium would revitalize the area.
I mean China Basin was not exactly a great place to be before AT&T and it is a quite a long walk from BART.
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Lake Merritt is even further from the square, and the walk is less safe than the one down Broadway.
And just to be clear, you’re comparing a stadium with MUNI across the street and CalTrain two blocks away to one with a single BART station 10 blocks away?
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
Looking at the JLS website…there are two BART stations, three bus lines, and a ferry that provide access to JLS. I am also sure they can set up a special bus/shuttle service between the BART stations and the ballpark.
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Recall the team plays now in a stadium attached to a BART station, and that the ferry goes to San Francisco, where I imagine it will pick up about 2 fans per game.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah
except the Coliseum is awful and there is no surrounding businesses/restaurants.
The ferry can be re-routed to go from other destinations. South Bay or Peninsula for example.
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Reality is, Bay Area can support 2 teams
But net revenue will not increase, not likely, unless more in the south bay go to games since it is closer.
Therefore, almost every extra dollar the A’s will see, the Giants will lose a dollar. Instead of a 130 mil and 50-70 mil payroll (honestly, have no idea what the A’s pay, other than it is way lower) you will have 2 payrolls at 90-100 mil. Good for Beane and the A’s, bad for Giants, and their fans.
by Myemail21479 on Nov 22, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
I think I’ll continue this after you hike from Jack London Square to Lake Merritt BART at 11PM.
And ferry service here, when it exists, is pretty expensive. Maybe the A’s can subsidize it from all their money.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
That's some crazy...
A Chicago man was arrested Monday for allegedly breaking into Chicago White Sox general manager Kenny Williams’ house.
Wayne L. Field III, 51, of the 900 block of West Lawrence Avenue was charged with residential burglary for allegedly unlawfully entering the house and taking several articles of clothing, a set of keys and jewelry.
Field apparently made himself at home. Police found him wearing Williams’ clothes and the GM’s 2005 World Series ring. He also apparently defrosted a lobster.
This incident occurred between Nov. 18 and 21 while Williams was out of town, police said.
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Williams confirmed the incident and said the man drank his beer, ate frozen pizza, surfed the internet and kicked his shoes off on the bed.
During the burglary, Field left behind a hospital bracelet with his name on it, police said. Field returned some time later and was seen peeking into the home.
Officers spotted him wearing Williams’ clothes and arrested him.
Field is expected in bond court Tuesday.
One BOOO and one YAY
Boo:
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Am told that the playoff fields will expand IMMEDIATELY, for 2012. Five teams in each league, with a one-game playoff between two wildcards.
Yay!:
Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
New CBA will expand instant replay to include fair/foul and “trapped” ball plays, subject to discussions between #MLB and umpires.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Double bleh
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
hooray
now no offense will be too terrible to qualify the Giants for the playoffs!
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 9:51 AM PST up reply actions
85 win playoff teams will be the norm!
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Such a Brave New World.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
Just re-watched this
I am going to miss Cody and maybe Wilson. Lou Seal will still there though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwYZ3LHHERI
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I think Grant's next post should be an introspective look at the great moments shared by the Astros and the Giants in the National League.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Rembember that time Mark DeRosa hit a home run?
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
by GiantPain on Nov 22, 2011 9:40 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
REMBEMBER
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
by GiantPain on Nov 22, 2011 9:42 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Remember all those times Tim Lincecum beat Roy Oswalt
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Remember how they went to the playoffs instead of us in 2004?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Great moments in National League Astros History.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
by GiantPain on Nov 22, 2011 9:49 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Does he have a salt lick on the end of his bat?
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 22, 2011 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
Rec'd
For the best player in baseball riding a mythical beast. Bonus if it was a Pegasus instead of unicorn.
by Myemail21479 on Nov 22, 2011 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
They had some good cheaters over the years: Mike “Scuffy” Scott and Billy “Corky” Hatcher…
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
Killer Bs
were pretty cool.
I always thought that Bagwell was going to hit a 900 foot homer in every game against the Giants.
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Alright
I am going to make iced tea at my office now.
I would like a McC-approved guide.
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“Iced tea” is different than sweet tea, so I can offer no help in this realm.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
how about
sweetened iced tea.
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2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
According to Nick Camino of 1100 WTAM in Cleveland, the Indians will announce a new contract for outfielder Grady Sizemore “by tonight or tomorrow.”
The Indians declined Sizemore’s $8 million option for 2012 at the end of the 2011 season, but they’ll bring him back on an incentive-driven one-year deal and hope that he can put his career on the right track. The 29-year-old outfielder posted a weak .706 OPS this past season and appeared in only 71 total games due to injuries. Still, he drew free agent interest from several teams.
WHY IS MELKY
Mayor of Smug.
SWEET MERCY I WANT HIM
Fireman Heath “The Chief” Bell. Why must he tempt me so?
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Really? Him?
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
He's Galooty.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Hideo Nomo no-hitter 9/17/96
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=20005629&topic_id=&c_id=mlb&tcid=vpp_copy_20005629&v=3
Facing a great Rockies lineup and long before the humidor.
Is there another Assassin Creed?
I guess I will watch the walkthrough vids for this one and get disappointed by the story again.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Some of these games surprise me by even having storylines.
I guess it doesn’t make much sense to just make open world games, though.
by Every6thDay on Nov 22, 2011 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
Yes
They are like COD now, one every year. I am 2 behind now… time to pick one up on the cheaps.
BTW if you like the style of adventure, I totally dig the new Batman games. I am 53% done with Asylum, and I heard Arkham City is fantastic.
by Myemail21479 on Nov 22, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
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