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On the Giants' self-imposed payroll cap ...

The State of the Baer address below has drawn a lot of Twitticism. Larry Baer and Greg Papa had a six-minute conversation on Chronicle Live, and it roughly translated to:

Star-divide

You like Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum, right? Well, that's how we're spending our money. We're going to keep them if possible. That means we're not signing Albert Pujols, Prince Fielder, or Jose Reyes. Not a chance. We're going to look at the Aubrey Huffs of the world to try and move our offense from "wretched" to "meh." The cheap, surprisingly effective Aubrey Huffs. Not the expensive, surprisingly crappy Aubrey Huffs. Just trust us.

Or to be a little bit more cynical and direct …

We're going to keep everything exactly the same and hope for better luck.

The Giants will still have a top-ten payroll, but the problem is that most of it is already tied up in Huff, Barry Zito, and Aaron Rowand. And they're probably thinking that the last time they spent big on premium players like Zito and Rowand, it totally backfired, not realizing that those deals were jokes the instant they were announced. A mega-deal to a legitimate star like Prince Fielder would not be quite as amusing.

The conversation didn't fill me with quite the same level of dread that it did for others here, though. Because as a sentimentalist who can still warm himself by his Official 2010 World Champions Outdoor Patio Heater and Toaster Oven Combo, if you could guarantee me this …

Cain/Lincecum combined WAR Fielder/Reyes combined WAR
2014 10 12
2015 11 12
2016 11 13
2017 9 10
2018 7 8


If you could guarantee me that Fielder and Reyes would be a little more valuable and cost-effective over the next six or seven years, I'd still prefer Cain and Lincecum. This has a lot to do with Fielder and Reyes not being Matt Cain or Tim Lincecum. And maybe this is a silly, silly way to root for a team, but I'm sticking with it. I'd rather have Cain and Lincecum, while trying to find offense under rocks. That's exactly what Baer is hoping people will think. I've been duped. I fell right into his trap.

But there's a difference between "we're not spending for Fielder" and "we're not spending a dime, so let's hope that Freddy Sanchez's shoulders and knees don't get near a glass of milk because they're made from a delicious Oreo crust, and milk will make them all soggy and fall-aparty." Considering how expensive Cain, Lincecum, and way down the road, Bumgarner are going to get, I'd rather have Rafael Furcal and Carlos Beltran for a combined $70 million over the next couple of years than Prince Fielder and Brandon Crawford for $150 million over the next seven. I'd rather have Jimmy Rollins for $50 million than Jose Reyes for $100 million if it means there's a better chance to re-sign Lincecum and Cain both.

The idea that the Giants can afford Linecum, Cain, Reyes, Fielder, Pujols, Kobe Bryant, and Paul McCartney for the next six years? Could be true. It seems like they're making more way more money than they have ever made, and they should be up with the Phillies and Red Sox instead of down with the Twins and Tigers.

That's the part that's annoying people around here -- the artificial cap on payroll. The owners are going to find a balance between spending and earning, just like they have for the last decade. I'd grumble more if they weren't still a top-ten payroll team, but it's still an annoying philosophy as a fan. Not spending to get the best of the best free agents will always be annoying to spoiled fans, a group of which I'm proud to be a part.

But I'll hold off on the nasty criticism for now. If the offseason brings Coco Crisp and some extra-special fairy-kiss wishes that Aubrey Huff will get better, the Giants will deserve all the criticism they'll get. But there are ways to improve the offense without committing to a $100M+ contract that could screw up a future with both Lincecum and Cain.  I think that's what Baer was getting at. I hope that's what Baer was getting at.

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I like Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum.

But I also like players who can hit dingers.

What do I dooooo?!

by djfivenine on Nov 2, 2011 11:37 AM PDT reply actions  

Matt Cain hits dingers!

Where have you gone John Johnstone?

by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 2, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Alas, it seems as though he’s forgotten how.

I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]

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by can of corn on Nov 2, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Au contraire my dear corn

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=19389309

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by nvsfg on Nov 2, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah! Forgot about that one.

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by can of corn on Nov 2, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I loved that game.

Ssory Doc, I'm on the Twitters
Craig James killed five hookers who were prostitutes before death.

by 49er16 on Nov 2, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do the Giants have a few too many 1st basemen?

by Turf_Toe_ on Nov 2, 2011 11:38 AM PDT reply actions  

They are the new CF

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by nvsfg on Nov 2, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

PANIC

I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.

by TheLetter2 on Nov 2, 2011 11:39 AM PDT reply actions  

PANIK

Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"

Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"

Pat Burrell: "The Patural"

Aubrey Huff: "Let's Get Weird"

by slackersphere17 on Nov 2, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have a bad feeling about this.

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by bigboneded on Nov 2, 2011 11:39 AM PDT reply actions  

That's no moon...

That’s Larry Baer!

"Mow bwiefings?" "More briefings."

by stobgopper on Nov 2, 2011 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Posted this in the last thread but I got chopped..

 I really do love this time of year. The whole "hot stove" thing during the off season gets me pumped up. I’m still thinking the FO is gonna deal one of our all star pitchers away though so I’m a little worried about that.

Also my son and I want to get involved in a fantasy league next season, any suggestions from all the pokemon experts out there?

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by kb2011sfg on Nov 2, 2011 11:40 AM PDT reply actions  

Pokemonz

ESPN is free and the best.

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by bigboneded on Nov 2, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

ESPN >>>>>>>>>>> Yahoo!

by SFfaninLA on Nov 2, 2011 4:18 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

You are in the right place. People talk about everything here, especially in the offseason. Trade talk gets some play. Not a lot. The Giants website mentions a talk at 3pm today that they are having to keep the fans interested. People start fantasy leagues around a month to 2 weeks before the season (usually they post them on fanposts on the righthand side of this site). But watch out the people that join are good and know their baseball — haha.

by Turf_Toe_ on Nov 2, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m curious to see who winds up on suicide watch when it’s rumored Reyes is going to the Nationals and Beltran signs with the Yankees

by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 2, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Kobe can be had for relatively cheap. The NBA lockout will give the Giants leverage.

by non sequitur on Nov 2, 2011 11:40 AM PDT reply actions  

The Giants should sign Kevin Durant.

Ssory Doc, I'm on the Twitters
Craig James killed five hookers who were prostitutes before death.

by 49er16 on Nov 2, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Strike zone may be too big

by Turf_Toe_ on Nov 2, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I really hate Kobe Bryant. Yet I love kobe beef. What to do?

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by can of corn on Nov 2, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Feed Kobe Bryant to a cow, then eat the cow. Make your decision then.

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by scout6 on Nov 2, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

/takes this under advisement

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by can of corn on Nov 2, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kobe Kobe Beef ?

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by nvsfg on Nov 2, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

And perhaps

travel about half an hour west of Osaka while you do …

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by SnowLeopard on Nov 2, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Call it Waygu beef?

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by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but they’ll be competing for his services with 720 Entertainment. Those dudes know how to spend!

I'm thinking but nothing's happening.

by JRPhillips on Nov 2, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Clearly, they blew their wad on the graphic design budget.

I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.

by TheLetter2 on Nov 2, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s the worst logo I’ve ever seen. It makes no sense.

Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
Please follow my Twitter

by Murray, Present on Nov 2, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

/That’s the joke gif

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Nov 2, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Doesn’t Leslie say that?

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by Natto on Nov 2, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes

And it is, in fact, the worst logo ever.

Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...

by Smoke on the Water on Nov 2, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right, when they’re both in the hot tub with all their clothes on.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Nov 2, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was at a Halloween party and someone dressed as John Ralphio

I think I watch too much TV, because I knew without them having to tell me.

Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...

by Smoke on the Water on Nov 2, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

better than the guy with a wizard's hat and a football

“Hi, I’m fantasy football”

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was seriously considering being Star Burns this Halloween.

I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com

by troymccluresf on Nov 2, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wheeler said he was going as Carlos Beltran

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by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Was he wearing a Carlos Beltran hat?

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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 2, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

His name’s Alex!

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was Ron Swanson

hardly had to tell anybody.

Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
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by oldjacket on Nov 2, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did you know you can see Ron Swanson’s johnson in Deadwood? I never realised that was him!

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Nov 2, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Prolific.

Grant’s turning into the Bonnie Prince Billy of baseball blogging.

One way or another, this darkness got to give.

by bgunn on Nov 2, 2011 11:41 AM PDT reply actions  

Idle Hands Are The Devils Plaything.

"The definition of insanity is startjng Orlando Cabrera over and over again and expecting different results"--Albert Einstein

by Kitspool on Nov 2, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cubs now hiring
MLB MLB
BREAKING: Manager Mike Quade will not return to the Cubs for the 2012 season.

Pitching and defense wins championships, but oh those dingerz....

by kb2011sfg on Nov 2, 2011 11:41 AM PDT reply actions  

That's All-Star Manager Mike Quade.

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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good move

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by DFARowand on Nov 2, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’ll always be thankful for Quade and the Cubs for beating the Padres 3 out of 4 times in 2010.

Ssory Doc, I'm on the Twitters
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by 49er16 on Nov 2, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I even bought a Cubs hat, but fell short of my promise to wear it every day this year.

That’s why the Giants lost. I was being punished for not living up to my end of the deal with the Base Ball Gods.

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by bigboneded on Nov 2, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Enter Terry Francona?

Is it February 19 yet?

by j14 on Nov 2, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

My guess.

One way or another, this darkness got to give.

by bgunn on Nov 2, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Man, Metallica’s album about baseball wasn’t that great.

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by Natto on Nov 2, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, they recorded it with Paul McCartney, and everyone knew that wasn’t going to be a good combination.

GROUGTHINK ALERT

by groug on Nov 2, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Some kind of Monster / Marguerita told Tom / between thought and expression / lies a lifetime …

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by SnowLeopard on Nov 2, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

You spelled "Joe Maddon" wrong

That’s my upset special, stone-cold lock prediction pulled from the nether-regions of my ass.

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by Kitspool on Nov 2, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Didn’t the ownership really want a general manager who would be willing to hire Ryne Sandberg?

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Douglas Quaid?

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by jhiat00 on Nov 3, 2011 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Complete with Cardinals logo? Or the STL?

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by bigboneded on Nov 2, 2011 11:43 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm guessing

This comment’s going to look silly in 10 minutes or so.

by taliesin on Nov 2, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

But it’s preserved in perpetuity with the block-quote!

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by bigboneded on Nov 2, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

But it’s preserved in perpetuity with my totally unfalsifiable block-quote!

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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 2, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe there is sarcasm in the fact that it did not happen, therefore, there is no warmth?

by Myemail21479 on Nov 2, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

JOIN THE BLOCKQUOTE REVOLUTION

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by SnowLeopard on Nov 2, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

He fired Beltran and hired Dan Lozano

It means nothing for the Giants chances of retaining him. Lazano is a VERY good agent

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by DFARowand on Nov 2, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I mean how could you possibly sign a FA. . .

. . .represented by the same guy who sold you Barry Zito??

by betterthanbochy on Nov 2, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

It would be really be something if the Giants didn’t try to sign any Boras clients because they goofed up so hard before.

by chilibean_3 on Nov 2, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not really, in terms of the amount of money it'd cost to get a player.

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by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Shyster asshole and one of the best agents in the biz. Same thing?

by chilibean_3 on Nov 2, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

by best

you are measuring only his uncanny ability to bleed every last dime out of an organization. So best is only from perspective of the players that he represents, and only then if they are motivated solely by $$$. But the typical Boras deal hamstrings a franchise. How many of Zito’s teammates would much rather see that $20 million per spent on someone(s) who could actually contribute to winning. From a fans prospective, he is evil, a notion that is reinforced every time you shell out $10 for a beer.

by betterthanbochy on Nov 2, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

You must've been a big fan of the reserve clause

And I love how you take the side of billionaire ownership over players.

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by DFARowand on Nov 2, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Could you point to one Boras negotiated deal

where – at the end of the contract – the team was pleased with its return on investment?

by betterthanbochy on Nov 2, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is that his job? To make sure the team gets a positive return on investment? No. He doesn’t represent the teams, he represents the players. His job is to get the best possible deal for the players he represents, and he is probably the best in the business for doing that. If a team is stupid enough to give Barry Zito 7 years $126 million when he’s clearly been declining for two or three seasons, then blame the team, not the agent.

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by free f.p. #14 on Nov 2, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you

for stating the truth clearly.

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by Kitspool on Nov 2, 2011 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

That isn't his job

I could tell you the people that he represents, that PAY his salary, the players are all very happy with his work.

Blame the teams and GMs for giving those guys more than they were worth. Don’t blame him for being good at his job.

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by DFARowand on Nov 2, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dude – he works for the players. Why should he care about the owners?

His job is to get paid. And he does it well.

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by can of corn on Nov 2, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Holy shit here I found some examples to your meaningless questions

Johnny Damon’s Contract with the Yankees

I’d say the Braves were pretty happy about the 2 contracts Greg Maddux signed with them

Bernies Williams 1998 contracts with the Yankees

I’d say the Giants were happy with how Barry Bonds contract worked out in the end.

And I could keep going..

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by DFARowand on Nov 2, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Barry Zito (worst FA signing ever)

Adrian Beltre (see Mariners)
ARod (see Rangers, backruptcy)
Luke Hochevar
Manny Ramirez
Daisuke Matsuzaka
Jayson Werth
Oliver Perez
Darren Dreifort
Andruw Jones
Derek Lowe
Brien Taylor
Matt White (Giants dodged a bullet)
(and speaking of bullets) Angel Villalona

For every Boras deal that almost netted fair value, there are half a dozen absolute fleecings. His cliient list is a whos who of exorbitantly-paid albatrosses.

by betterthanbochy on Nov 2, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Adrian Beltre was good for the Mariners

And Rodriguez was phenomenal for the Rangers. Manny Ramirez was a superstar for the Red Sox, and quite good for the Dodgers (not sure which contract you’re referring to).

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by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

The 2-year $45 M deal. .

that comprised a lengthy suspension for steriod use.

by betterthanbochy on Nov 2, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, I was unaware we were now holding agents responsible for their client's personal habits.

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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

But Boras isn't in charge of Texas' finances.

The point is, Rodriguez provided MORE THAN FAIR VALUE on his contract. He was worth more than he was paid as a Ranger. So how did Boras act badly?

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by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

the ARod deal was affordable

The Rangers spent the rest of their payroll on the likes of Kenny Rogers and other shit players. ARod was actually worth probably a little more than he was being paid.

by boonitez on Nov 3, 2011 2:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Chan Ho Park

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by ResDog on Nov 3, 2011 6:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

More importantly

What the fuck is the point? If it’s Boras does a great job: Point made.

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by marcello on Nov 2, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

The point?

GM 101: Never buy a used ballplayer from this man.

by betterthanbochy on Nov 2, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which has already been disproven, as more than a few contracts have worked out fine.

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by marcello on Nov 2, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

you are focusing on all the wrong things like facts

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by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

If your point was...

“Don’t negotiate with Boras because he’ll out-smart you and make you look dumb”, you’d have one. Insulting an agent for doing his job well is not a good point.

So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.

by Goofus on Nov 2, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's a fine policy, I guess

But you’re going to miss out on some of the best players in baseball, a lot of whom are worth more than even their Giant contracts.

Also, this strategy means the Giants never get Barry Bonds. Is that OK with you?

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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK, excuse me.

It means Bonds walks in 2001 (or was it before that?).

Are you OK with that?

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

You realize that logically that makes no sense, right?

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil

by marcello on Nov 2, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

That would have applied to Beltran.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

GM 101!!!

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 2, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Man, this whole chain of comments was pretty entertaining to read.

Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.

by Giant among Angels on Nov 2, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree.

Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner

by natteringnabob on Nov 2, 2011 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree with this disagreement.

Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Nov 2, 2011 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes?

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=639&position=3B#value

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw

by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Correct

If you understand how brutal that park is on right handers and how great he is defensively. I have a feeling you don’t understand either of those things.

Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil

by marcello on Nov 2, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Adrian Beltre was worth 16.7 WAR as a Mariner.

He was paid 64 million dollars, which means he was paid something like 3.8 million per WAR. That’s basically market price.

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

And do think the Mariners are, in retrospect,

happy with that deal?

As an interesting sidebar, the Dodgers used one of the Beltre compensation picks on Hochevar, who was represented by Boras. He didn’t sign and went #1 to the Royals in the following draft. Huge contract for a middling starter. Who did the Royals leave on the board?? Longoria at #3, Kershaw at 7, Lincecum at 10. At some level this qualifies as another Royal Boras screwing in KC.

by betterthanbochy on Nov 2, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes. It’s all Boras’ fault. Exactly.

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by can of corn on Nov 2, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

So, Boras like stole your wife or something, right?

Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil

by marcello on Nov 2, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Boras negotiated the “no-trade” clause.

Where have you gone John Johnstone?

by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 2, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

And then told her to opt-out on the mutual option.

by Hyoton on Nov 2, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

to Opt-out is one of the worst forms of birth control

So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.

by Goofus on Nov 2, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't care whether they're happy with it

You’re arguing that all players who sign with Boras aren’t worth the money. A lot of them are. Beltre absolutely was.

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

ADRIAN BELTRE HAS NOT RINGS

AND FRED LEWIS DOES

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s pretty hilarious that Flew got a ring.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Me vs. groupthink

Groupthink gives Boras a pass.

I think the world is a better place without Boras.

by betterthanbochy on Nov 2, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s more groupthink vs. logic.

I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]

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by can of corn on Nov 2, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dammit. Should be: you vs. logic.

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by can of corn on Nov 2, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess that makes me logic

Me spews vitriol at Boras.
Groupthink spews vitriol at me.

by betterthanbochy on Nov 2, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your failing is that you are blaming Boras when you should be blaming GMs. Boras is doing his job well. On occasion, GMs aren’t. Somehow you’ve taken those inputs and come to the conclusion that Boras is to blame.

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"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil

by marcello on Nov 2, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good job thinking outside the box?

by chilibean_3 on Nov 2, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

FOR THE SWARM!

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 2, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

TO THE CLOUD!

One way or another, this darkness got to give.

by bgunn on Nov 2, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

UP THE ACADEMY!

Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner

by natteringnabob on Nov 2, 2011 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

The group also thinks that 2 + 2 = 4

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, ok, so we're on ad hominems now, sillynanny?

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Scroll up. . .

. . .the ad hominems started long ago

by betterthanbochy on Nov 2, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Imma let you keep trollin'.

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK, I will jump into the rabbit hole: who are some good agents, who only represent guys that pan out and sign for fair prices?

by Hyoton on Nov 2, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Note: ONLY FAIR TO TEAMS, NOT FAIR TO PLAYERS

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Point taken

I think the FA market is much like a carny funhouse, replete with mirrors of distortion. If the Dodgers had cash last offseason, the logical move would have been Carl Crawford. He fit their needs perfectly. Yet the 1st year of his 7-yr pact certainly didn’t pan out well for the buyer.

by betterthanbochy on Nov 2, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ryan Madson

Kickham where it hurts

by say hey nation on Nov 2, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the deal Boras worked out for

This guy in 2002 worked out nicely.

RIP 2011 Giants Post Season

by Cody_ransom on Nov 2, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

BLB’s agent was Jeff Borris, no relation.

Where have you gone John Johnstone?

by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 2, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your statement is innacurate.
In December 2001, Boras and free agent Barry Bonds, the reigning National League MVP, surprised the San Francisco Giants by accepting the club’s offer of salary arbitration.54 Boras eventually negotiated a five-year, $90 million contract for the 37-year-old slugger.55

Wiki’d

RIP 2011 Giants Post Season

by Cody_ransom on Nov 2, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

You are correct....
“He did not require the optimum contract,” said Bonds’ agent, Scott Boras. “He just wanted to be placed in the group of top players. Tradition is a hard thing to negotiate, and his tradition lies with the San Francisco Giants.”

Bad memory on my part, he switched to Jeff Borris some time later I guess.

Where have you gone John Johnstone?

by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 2, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't prefer to think of him as correct

I prefer to think of you as incorrect.

:-P

So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.

by Goofus on Nov 2, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

That shyster asshole is the best in his field

Are you?

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by DFARowand on Nov 2, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmm, a man doing his job is shyster asshole?

Kickham where it hurts

by say hey nation on Nov 2, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Selfish Beltran

Ssory Doc, I'm on the Twitters
Craig James killed five hookers who were prostitutes before death.

by 49er16 on Nov 2, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

We’re totally getting Coco Crisp.

by chilibean_3 on Nov 2, 2011 11:47 AM PDT reply actions  

I do fear Yunie

But he really isn’t that much of a Sabean player in my mind, especially compared to Furcal. Sabez likes guys who are old but used to be stars. Betancourt’s still young and has never been a star of even Rowandesque proportions.

by taliesin on Nov 2, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I believe the requirement for a Sabeanesque SS is 35+.

I'm thinking but nothing's happening.

by JRPhillips on Nov 2, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

When was Neifi Perez a star?

Oh yeah, that one plate appearance in 1998…

You can add “hit a homerun to end our season that one time” to the “admire from afar” attributes list.

RIP 2011 Giants Post Season

by Cody_ransom on Nov 2, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

ATP, I would rather call Christian the Opening Day CF...

…easier to DFA on April 10th.

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Fathaigh go mbuaimid!

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by bigboneded on Nov 2, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Would that I had your confidence.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still like my JD Drew/Cody Ross RF platoon idea

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by DFARowand on Nov 2, 2011 11:48 AM PDT reply actions  

I still like Stephen Drew

I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
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by nvsfg on Nov 2, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I still haven't found what I'm looking for

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

Mayor of Smug.

by rotorueter on Nov 2, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

U2 ?

I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
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by nvsfg on Nov 2, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

You’ll need to put that rosterbation on hold for a year. But definately the Drew of choice.

One way or another, this darkness got to give.

by bgunn on Nov 2, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

/Sabean signs Tim Drew to AAA contract

by kaliber on Nov 2, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

And the Nancy Drew, for 5y/$90m

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by SnowLeopard on Nov 2, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

She will solve the mystery of the missing payroll.

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by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think you have much to worry about.

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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 2, 2011 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Two cautionary examples: Jayson Werth and Carl Crawford were the biggest signings of last offseason.

That doesn’t mean don’t make these deals.

But it does mean approach with caution. Name-dropping the best players feels a little lazy to me.
I’ve been running through my head which of the three is most likely to backfire in a very big way, but can’t really conclude. Any thoughts?

by dregarx on Nov 2, 2011 11:52 AM PDT reply actions  

They all have the potential to not live up to their potential free agent contracts

either right away or in a year or two. They all have the potential to live up to their contracts for some of the years, but not all. None of them have the potential to live up to their contracts in the last few years of their deals, I’d wager, since it’s likely those years would be approaching $25-$30 per.

by Every6thDay on Nov 2, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d go with Reyes being the bigger risk over Prince – at least in the first few years of their respective LOL too LOLNG contracts. After all you “can’t pull fat.”

But if Reyes hangs in for the first few years he could supplant Prince depending on if/when Prince starts to wear down.

Do not want either at 7 years though…Yuck.

Where have you gone John Johnstone?

by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 2, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Reyes is a fantastic player, but he worries me at the contract he’s going to get.

I don’t think he’s the right guy to spend that amount of money on.

by dregarx on Nov 2, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder why the years are more important than the money. Why is $150/5 years offensive? He’s not likely to get $30 million annual average salary over a 7-year deal, anyway.

by Every6thDay on Nov 2, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Reyes, if healthy, is exactly what we need

at $16M a year for 3 years+option year (Which will make him happy and cost us a $4M buyout because he won’t be worth $15M anymore). Nevertheless, I make that deal, if I can.

Don't believe everything you think.

by wcovington on Nov 2, 2011 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Reyes is getting much more than three years and an option, and he’s very likely to be worth more than $15M in 2015.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

You’d be lucky to get Beltran for that much.

by boonitez on Nov 3, 2011 2:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Pujols is the biggest risk

Just because of his age. I’m still expecting that in the (nominally) post-steroid era, we’re not going to see too many players age gracefully past 35 anymore. If that’s the case, the last three-four years of a putative 7-year contract to Pujols could be pure waste. It’s hard to see how he earns his $200M in three or four years.

by taliesin on Nov 2, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

And for all we know, Pujols is already 35.

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by 49er16 on Nov 2, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

That too

Although I doubt it. It would have taken some serious foresight to falsify his age before his family moved to the US, since I don’t get the impression he was a great baseball prospect at that point.

by taliesin on Nov 2, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I believe

the argument isn’t that they did it maliciously, but that it would be the product of poor record keeping in the DR, where he was born.

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by free f.p. #14 on Nov 2, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

Presumably a kid would know whether he was 16 or 18 when he showed up in New York to attend school. I guess that would be a non-baseball related motivation; if they wanted him to attend school, they could pretend he was 16 because if he were 18 he wouldn’t be able to go.

by taliesin on Nov 2, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

16 was the last year of eligibility for high school, otherwise it would’ve been a GED route.

Where have you gone John Johnstone?

by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 2, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I had a buddy in high school that was closer to my parents age than mine. But hey, he got an education & a high school diploma. Can’t blame him.

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by ResDog on Nov 2, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

In my school district all the adult students go to a separate program at the district office.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

He was claiming to be a teenager.

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by ResDog on Nov 2, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

That sounds like the plot of a movie.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

21 Jumpstreet!!!

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by Merope on Nov 2, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting.

I’ve run this thought through my mind a few times, but on the other hand, he’s simply been so freaking good as a player. Hard to reconcile. He’s also been very reliable.

by dregarx on Nov 2, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Really great players have often lasted longer, even pre-steroids. For whatever reason, though, there’s not any first basemen who’ve done it, with the exception of Stan Musial, who played about a third of his career at first.

I don’t think of first base as being that physically demanding, but I guess they are involved in a lot more plays than an OF. It’s probably just a fluke; the list of players with career wRC+ over 150 is not a long one, and the subset of guys who had good seasons at age 37 is much shorter than that.

by taliesin on Nov 2, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

There are surprisingly few great first basemen

The ones that come to mind are Foxx and Gehrig. Foxx flamed out fast, but Gehrig was terrific right until he retired. He probably could have lasted a lot longer if it hadn’t been for his ALS.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hank Greenberg

Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000

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by Alex_Lewis on Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, right

I don’t remember why he retired so early.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

He was disappointed when the Tigers traded him to a bad Pittsburgh team.

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by Roger on Nov 3, 2011 5:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

He was good

But he only played until he was 36. He was also one of those guys who missed several years because of the war.

by taliesin on Nov 2, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

McCovey?

So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.

by Goofus on Nov 2, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh good one; he wasn't on my list

I was looking at career wRC+ of 149 and above. He was at 145; he’d have made it easily if he’d retired at age 36. He did have a couple good (not great) seasons after that, the last one at age 39. So I guess he’s what whoever signs Pujols needs to hope for.

by taliesin on Nov 2, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Being as badass as Willie Mac is what Pujols should hope for.

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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 2, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

you really are old

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by natteringnabob on Nov 2, 2011 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I might add Stargell to that list, although he played less than half his career at 1B and was a greater offensive player while still an OF. Still, career 145 wRC+. He’s one of the top 5 guys for getting killed by his stadium as well, until they moved into Three Rivers.

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by Roger on Nov 3, 2011 6:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think there’s any evidence that steroids have contributed to lengthening players’ careers. My guess is that we’re going to continue to see more and more players staying healthy into what were once the declining years.

by Evan on Nov 2, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

So the Bonds/Clemens/etc phenomenon we just witnessed over the last decade or so was coincidence?

11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi

by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 2, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s been happening in all sports. It appears to be the result of better training, exercise and diet.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's steroids in all sports

How do you disentangle the steroids from “better training, exercise, and diet”?

by taliesin on Nov 2, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Other sports have been testing better and for longer. It seems facile to me to decide that everything will be the way it was 25 years ago because steroids are gone.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

fIXED

ther sports have been testing better and for longer.

Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.

by ResDog on Nov 2, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

It’s not like they’ve managed to get doping out of cycling.

by taliesin on Nov 2, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, by better, I mean more that they were testing at all.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good grief, I read that as “There’s asteroids in all sports”

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TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Nov 2, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

There aren't, sadly.

I’ve cheered for the asteroid in the finals of various sports through the years, but it never comes through.

I’m beginning to feel like Linus in the pumpkin patch.

11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi

by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 2, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

…awwwwww

Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.

TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Nov 2, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is Bonds and Clemens continuing to play brilliantly at 42 or 43 really more impressive than Williams and Spahn doing the same at 41 or 42? or Cobb and Wagner and Lefty Grove and Pete Alexander doing the same at 39 or 40?

by Evan on Nov 3, 2011 7:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Alexander’s was clearly the most impressive, because his workout regime of choice was drinking until he fell off his stool. Jimmy Foxx tried the same program and he was done at 34.

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by Roger on Nov 3, 2011 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

We'll see

Obviously conditioning of the non-chemical variety has improved greatly, so it’s hard to disentangle. My personal belief is that steroids contribute to better recovery time and this helps extend players’ careers beyond what can be achieved through conditioning alone. But time will tell.

by taliesin on Nov 2, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

One bad year does not decide the ultimate fate of those contracts

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by DFARowand on Nov 2, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Very true.

Both of them had atrocious first years, though. Not a great way to start.

by Every6thDay on Nov 2, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

However, they are indicators.

And not only is there a decline present, there’s also the indicator of age that supports the continuation of at least some level of decline.

by dregarx on Nov 2, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Adrian Gonzalaz trade and sign was bigger

But yea, proceed with caution. The year before had Jason Bay and some other nobody as the big names. Last year also saw Adam Dunn get like 80 mil, and I was a little upset the Giants did not move in on that price (glad it was ONLY 22 mil for Huff).

Pujols is a no brainer Bonds of our Era. I would prefer Lincecum + Cain over just Pujols myself.

by Myemail21479 on Nov 2, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Beltran + Rollins
Beltran + Rollins
Beltran + Rollins
Beltran + Rollins
Beltran + Rollins
Beltran + Rollins
Beltran + Rollins

by Every6thDay on Nov 2, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yay Jonathan Sanchez starting Opening Day!

by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 2, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really don’t want Fielder.

But I’d rather we spend money on hitting than pitching. When you spend money on hitters, you have a better chance of getting usable years from the free agent. Pitchers tend to peak much younger than hitters do.

Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.

by oldjacket on Nov 2, 2011 11:52 AM PDT reply actions  

That’s the part that’s annoying people around here — the artificial cap on payroll. The owners are going to find a balance between spending and earning, just like they have for the last decade. I’d grumble more if they weren’t still a top-ten payroll team, but it’s still an annoying philosophy as a fan. Not spending to get the best of the best free agents will always be annoying to spoiled fans, a group of which I’m proud to be a part.

This is basically it for me. This, and the downright certainty that even Beltran and Furcal are a pipe dream.

You know how teams lose money? You want an idea of what fear lies in the hearts of long term investors? You know what leaves the unbought hotdogs getting dried out and the beer getting warm? Not winning.

Not winning is the enemy of making money. I think the Giants should be willing to win. I believe that spending money for players who are true difference makers will lead to winning.

Is there a risk? Absolutely. If you want a guarantee go to Best Buy.

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 2, 2011 11:53 AM PDT reply actions  

Judging by the results & the fan attendance, they obviously have found the guy for the job.

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by ResDog on Nov 2, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dude, your best buys are always at Frys. Guaranteed.

I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]

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by can of corn on Nov 2, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

The thing about the “artificial pay roll” is that nobody actually knows what the Giants can and cannot afford. Everybody assumes they can just throw money around but maybe they actually have a set budget built on what they can afford and are sticking to it? Nobody factors in operating costs or debt payments and are they still paying Barry B for his contract?

I really wish Baggs or Schulman or whomever actually dig into this because nobody knows (I also don’t trust the ownership to be honest about it) so right now decided what they can and can’t afford is sort of silly.

by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 2, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

How many people came to games last year? over 3 million? raise prices 4 dollars and get a real free agent and dont resign the trash.

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-GOB Bluth

by ELOOIE on Nov 2, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

We don’t know what their other expenses are though. For example, the tech that Neukom wanted to buy. How much is it to set up and run?

by Hyoton on Nov 2, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

increasing ticket price by 4 dollars would raise an additional revenue of 12 million dollars while the expenditures would basically be the same. It’s not like it cost more for the ink to change the number on the price stub.

That is without accounting for any playoff revenue that might have because they just sighed a stud.
In case it wasnt clear, I figured if they raised 12 million more in ticket sales and still cut something like 8 million in dead weight and get a dude worth 20 a year. (range)
Losing games is the only way they don’t sustain the 3 million plus attendance.

I'm a failure. I can't even fake the death of a stripper.
-GOB Bluth

by ELOOIE on Nov 2, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK, but I still don’t know what their other expenses are (aside from ticket ink), or what kind of return they are expecting. Actually, I’m not really sure what they believe attendance and the deals will be like even if they keep losing. Perhaps even if they lose, they don’t foresee much loss in the short-term.

by Hyoton on Nov 2, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I don’t know what their revenue or expenses are right now either. I was just illustratrating that the net change in whatever those numbers are is +12 million by raising prices by 4 dollars. The only thing I can think of is they feel attendance would drop if they raised the price. I’m pretty sure attendance has been going up and consistently around/over 3 Million a year, the past couple years.
Although, that doesn’t mean they would make anymore profit.. just have a better player.

I'm a failure. I can't even fake the death of a stripper.
-GOB Bluth

by ELOOIE on Nov 2, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

With this economy, raising already expensive tickets an extra $4 dollars isn’t smart from a business standpoint. The place is awful expensive as is and there’s only so many times they can raise beer prices (where a lot of money is made) before people actually don’t drink there.

by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 2, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am pretty sure 2012 ticket prices will already be higher than last season. I will look for the article.

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 2, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Considering the "after-market" price of tickets

Most of the time they’re still not charging nearly enough.

by taliesin on Nov 2, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

They're working on it!
In your seating category, the 2012 prices is scheduled to be set at $1200/seat. This current past year they were $1050. You will receive invoices in or around November.

Where have you gone John Johnstone?

by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 2, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

“In or around November”? So, either October, November or December?

"The definition of insanity is startjng Orlando Cabrera over and over again and expecting different results"--Albert Einstein

by Kitspool on Nov 2, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

TBF that is not an official statement from SF Giants, just some conversation between me and someone in the office.

I haven’t yet rec’d anything “official” re 2012 season ticket prices or deadlines yet.

Where have you gone John Johnstone?

by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 2, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Excellent

So we have settled that question. Ticket prices will increase.

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 2, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, I’d mentioned this in another thread a week or so ago.

A not surprising reaction to supply and demand. Giants were selling “dynamic” tickets at much higher rates than the season ticketholder’s paid, so I’m not surprised to see a uptick in our plan. TBH there were many games where we were able to unload tickets we couldn’t use on Stubhub for a profit as well.

Where have you gone John Johnstone?

by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 2, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

And I think they know that some people will drop their season tickets. We keep getting calls from some Giants dude trying to get us to split season tickets with somebody or somebodies else. We go to one or two games a month tops. Last year we didn’t even go to a game after late June / early July. Why would we want season tickets?

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TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Nov 2, 2011 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

And I think they know that some people will drop their season tickets.

I agree. I know that many people purchased season tickets for last year to exclusively to re-sell them on the market for profit (TGWTWS!).

When the tickets go up in price, and their margin for profit shrinks, some of those folks will get rid of tickets, or perhaps reduce the number of seats they renew.

Where have you gone John Johnstone?

by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 2, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is strangely worded.

Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.

TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Nov 2, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

But the "after market" is primarily season-ticket holders' tickets

Who are agreeing to a full season, including day games against the Pirates.. Individual game tickets are a much different story.

So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.

by Goofus on Nov 2, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ticket pricing

With dynamic pricing and other increases, I’d say it’s pretty obvious the team is trying to squeeze maxium revenue at the gate. I’m pretty certain, they’ve more access to data than we do and no the inflection points for every seat, game time and opponent.

My guess would be that they know almost exactly how many fewer seats they’d sell if they raised prices $4 per seats.

So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.

by Goofus on Nov 2, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

There’s always a tipping point at which the team raises tickets so high that people stop going because they can’t afford it. In this economy, raising ticket prices is risky and does come off as a little arrogant (as in, we’ll raise the prices sky-high and you people will step up and pay for it no matter how outrageous the prices).

by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 2, 2011 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

you'd think

I don’t know that’s been proven out particularly well anywhere in MLB, but with the numbers as hard to find as they are, who knows.

Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner

by natteringnabob on Nov 2, 2011 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

That article is two years old.

Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner

by natteringnabob on Nov 2, 2011 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, yes, 2009. The heady days of a healthy economy on full steam.

Clearly not relevant to this situation.

This from Hal Steinbrenner via the Yankees:

"A few weeks ago I indicated that in light of the economy we would review the pricing of a small number of our premium locations at Yankee Stadium; specifically, our Suite Seats.

Source

11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi

by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 3, 2011 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I mentioned a small number of locations because in excess of 3.4 million seats, including 37,000 full season equivalents as well as approximately 85% of all our premium locations have already been sold

Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner

by natteringnabob on Nov 3, 2011 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

BREAKING!

YANKEES OWNER PUTS POSITIVE SPIN ON YANKEES’ INABILITY TO SELL OUT BRAND-NEW STADIUM! DETAILS AT ELEVEN!

The conversation was about the perceived arrogance of overpricing tickets. This is a direct and recent occurrence of that exact phenomenon. I’m not sure why you’re debating the legitimacy of the example.

TV shows deep-seated troubles at new Yankee Stadium, Citi Field

The television views from new Yankee Stadium and Citi Field are radically different. However, there is one similar sight – pockets, some large, of empty seats in prime locations.

The high price of tickets at both venues has been well-documented. The reality is startling. Television viewers now see what happens when high ticket prices collide with a toxic economy. The pictures are not pretty.

On Sunday, with both teams playing at home, each could not come within 5,000 seats of a sellout. That’s not supposed to happen in brand new ballparks. Unless fans are coming to these games disguised as empty seats, some choice locations behind the plate and between the bases – ducats fans go gaga over – are going unsold.
Daily News

11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi

by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 3, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I will say it once more: The Neukom thing was largely non-financial in nature.

I think with the Giants winning the WS and gaining the revenues it did last year, the ownership finally got a sense of the level of financial support it can get if it wins. Previously, it relied on the ballpark to draw people but 2008 showed that the ballpark was not enough.

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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo

by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I’ve got spare time.

I'm thinking but nothing's happening.

by JRPhillips on Nov 2, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Freddy Sanchez’s shoulders and knees don’t get near a glass of milk because they’re made from a delicious Oreo crust, and milk will make them all soggy and fall-aparty."

Mmm, Oreo crust

Ssory Doc, I'm on the Twitters
Craig James killed five hookers who were prostitutes before death.

by 49er16 on Nov 2, 2011 11:53 AM PDT reply actions  

My definition of a good offseason

Not Getting Yuniesky Betancourt.

Do whatever the fuck else you want, just please don’t get Yuniesky Betancourt.

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw

by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 11:53 AM PDT reply actions  

I just took a number and am standing in this line, waiting to get served by Brian Sabean.

"The definition of insanity is startjng Orlando Cabrera over and over again and expecting different results"--Albert Einstein

by Kitspool on Nov 2, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

nvsfg looks at number…" How can I have number 57 when I’m second in line ? "

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Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.

by nvsfg on Nov 2, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yuni Betancourt: Well, at least he’s better than Cabrera and Tejada.

I'm just a teenage dirtbag, baby.

by Tay on Nov 2, 2011 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Even that is a questionable statement.

by boonitez on Nov 3, 2011 2:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

CARDINAL LOVER
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Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter

by scout6 on Nov 2, 2011 11:54 AM PDT reply actions  

I hate having hope that Sabean and the Brass will figure out how to build an offense. Every offseason I think of all the guys they could sign and make things better. Every year I get coal/Tejada/Betancourt/Crisp in my stocking.

This team is a tease. 2010 Giants baseball playing Just the Tip with the best of them.

by elGuapo on Nov 2, 2011 11:55 AM PDT reply actions  

They know how to do it

Step 1: Re-sign Barry Bonds
Step 2: Fill in the holes

Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.

by ResDog on Nov 2, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Step 2

That’s what she said.

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw

by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

mmmmm holes….

This team is a tease. 2010 Giants baseball playing Just the Tip with the best of them.

by elGuapo on Nov 2, 2011 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

i dont think it is fair

to have to choose between pitching and hitting.
I can’t imagine the Giants w/o lincecum, cain I see doing w/o maybe a little, but i would miss him. regardless I dont think either one wants to stay w/o hitting either.

I wish the pitchers would demand a hitter or two. doesnt seem like the fans demands are going to be met

by orange velvet on Nov 2, 2011 11:58 AM PDT reply actions  

I think the point is it's a choice between pitching and the most expensive of FA hitters, not "hitting"

So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.

by Goofus on Nov 2, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

TGWTWS without a big name hitter and they were still carrying FA deadweight.

Wouldn’t it be nice to be paying only players who were actually good? Too bad there are no guarantees in life.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Nov 2, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remember when people used to offer The Beatles hundreds of millions of dollars to reunite for just one show.

by Turf_Toe_ on Nov 2, 2011 11:59 AM PDT reply actions  

c'mon, spring training!

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by son of ggf on Nov 2, 2011 12:00 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm thinking gumbo for lunch.

Actual gumbo.

My boy's got CLOSER MENTALITY!

Pithy.

by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 2, 2011 12:01 PM PDT via iPhone app reply actions  

I’m having a egg salad sandwich

Ssory Doc, I'm on the Twitters
Craig James killed five hookers who were prostitutes before death.

by 49er16 on Nov 2, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Egg sandwich? Egg sandwich? Egg sandwich? Three orange whips!

I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com

by troymccluresf on Nov 2, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Leftover bone-in-rib-eye (Cote de Boeuf). Dog gets the bone.

One way or another, this darkness got to give.

by bgunn on Nov 2, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

A bag of chex mix

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 2, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

My lunch menu
Roast Beef (carved), servedwith Au Jus
Turkey Roulade withApple-Cider Gravy (ground turkey breast stuffed with toasted pecans, driedcranberries and bread crumbs), topped with a delicious apple-cider gravy.
Tofu Loaf w/ brownvegetarian gravy

Served with cranberry sauce,California Wild rice, Traditional Mashed Potatoes, Garden Salad with Italiandressing, green beans, rolls & butter, and Pumpkin Pie with whipped cream

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by Natto on Nov 2, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was titled “early Thanksgiving dinner”.

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by Natto on Nov 2, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Prussian Creole might have something to say about that.

I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]

I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"

by can of corn on Nov 2, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was just going to mention that.

@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.

by kdl on Nov 2, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

that inspired my choice

I usually get a po’boy at this food truck, but I remembered last night’s thread.

The gumbo was good.

My boy's got CLOSER MENTALITY!

Pithy.

by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 2, 2011 12:44 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

This will always mean something different to me now.

I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]

I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"

by can of corn on Nov 2, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

and if not

Bavarian Cajun will be along to say something.

Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner

by natteringnabob on Nov 2, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I had a philly cheesesteak with fries. Oh, and a diet coke. No running today.

Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.

by ResDog on Nov 2, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

This place come to a bar two blocks from me every week. I really need to check them out one of these days.

http://twitter.com/Easycreole/status/131813123375108096

I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com

by troymccluresf on Nov 2, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

The last of the sweet potato casserole with ham.
It’s almost cool enough to start thinking about making chili.
yay!

Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.

TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Nov 2, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

THOUGHTS?!

This is important.

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope he used protection.

Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.

by ResDog on Nov 2, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was ok

Mushrooms, onions, ketchup, cajun fries. As mentioned I don’t like a lot of toppings on burgers. The fries had way too much spice (about half or 1/3 would have been one notch above very great, as it was I couldn’t continue eating them); the burger really isn’t as good as in-n-out’s but is a lot better than the other chains, the bun isn’t as good as a toasted bun, and the price is just too high. And no milkshakes, but free refills.

The presentation is very nice with the cup in the bag.

by Hyoton on Nov 2, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fresh jalapeños. That is all.

Once more, coming to you by proxy.

by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

OT: This is AWESOME. Poor Tebow.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/34680/time-for-elway-to-think-post-tebow

COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!

Fathaigh go mbuaimid!

Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .

Job 1:14-15

by bigboneded on Nov 2, 2011 12:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Is the ESPN mods still nuking the comments in that post?

Ssory Doc, I'm on the Twitters
Craig James killed five hookers who were prostitutes before death.

by 49er16 on Nov 2, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lol comments

they are coming in as if Anonymous targeted that page with a distributed comment spam attack.

by 24 Willie Mays Plaza on Nov 2, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Looks like and McC subthread.

some of those are pretty rough.

I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.

by nvsfg on Nov 2, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Except more angry

Ssory Doc, I'm on the Twitters
Craig James killed five hookers who were prostitutes before death.

by 49er16 on Nov 2, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'LL SHOW YOU ANGRY!

Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.

by ResDog on Nov 2, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Please don’t hurt me.

Ssory Doc, I'm on the Twitters
Craig James killed five hookers who were prostitutes before death.

by 49er16 on Nov 2, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

These are brutal but hard to beat

Andy77178
eating out a chick with a yeast infection and vag warts > tebow
1 fan likes this.
22 Seconds Ago
brad2017
Barbaro news coverage > Tebow
25 Seconds Ago
CJ_Megatron_81
Fox News objectiveness > Tebow
26 Seconds Ago
ARodJr26
Bieber > Tebow
27 Seconds Ago
streetmn
Tim Tebow’s Girlfriend > Tim Tebow
1 fan likes this.
33 Seconds Ago
shaghack
Number of phony championships claimed by Alabama > Tebow

Eliminate that pesky Dominatrix in one easy step. Step 1: Tell her you're a Cubs fan!

by TMOX on Nov 2, 2011 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whoah

That’s hilarious. They might just bring down espn.com. They’re coming in at like 25 per second.

by taliesin on Nov 2, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ouch

austenmontero
Chris Hansen interrupting your first date > Tebow

Eliminate that pesky Dominatrix in one easy step. Step 1: Tell her you're a Cubs fan!

by TMOX on Nov 2, 2011 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I wondered about that. I looked it up and he is “Executive Vice President of Football Operations”, who reports to G.M. Brian Xanders. I wonder what his domain of responsibility is as distinct from the G.M.’s.

by non sequitur on Nov 2, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

That totally sounds like a fake PR job.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I read a little piece in USA Today that cut Tebow some slack, saying some great quarterbacks got off to rough starts in their rookie seasons. I hope the man succeeds, if for no other reason than to make all his detractors look stupid.

I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.

by TheLetter2 on Nov 2, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I take issue with his fan club, not him. Not so much “issue” as I’m really just fucking annoyed by them.

by Every6thDay on Nov 2, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s not his rookie season, but that’s almost certainly beside the point. He doesn’t appear to be a good player. His coaches listed him fourth on the depth chart during the preseason, behind Brady Quinn and an undrafted rookie free agent. If he reaches adequacy on the field, that will be a great success.

But the response he’s gotten from both sides is out of proportion, which is a statement I would like to nominate for understatement of the month.

Once more, coming to you by proxy.

by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hater.

I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.

by TheLetter2 on Nov 2, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

HE’S PRETTY TERRIBLE AT FOOTBALL, OKAY

Once more, coming to you by proxy.

by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

AND YOU’RE PRETTY TERRIBLE AT HOLDING ON TO YOUR PHONE IN THE WIND, BUT I DON’T PUBLICLY EXCORIATE YOU FOR IT

I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.

by TheLetter2 on Nov 2, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey...

In that battle of man versus wind – though, yes, it was a close thing – man won!

Once more, coming to you by proxy.

by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aron Ralston wishes he was half as courageous.

I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.

by TheLetter2 on Nov 2, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

LIKE DAN RUNZLER AT BASEBALL
OR VICE VERSA

by Hyoton on Nov 2, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

That should be a postage stamp.

I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.

by TheLetter2 on Nov 2, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for doing all the work defending Runzler. I really don’t have the energy for it.

Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Nov 2, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

EXACTLY LIKE DAN RUNZLER

Once more, coming to you by proxy.

by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s weird, I’ve completely ignored the whole Tebow kerfuffle, but judging by the apparent amount of screen pixels being killed to discuss his playing ability, his religious beliefs, and so on, it’s the biggest news story since Pearl Harbor.

"The definition of insanity is startjng Orlando Cabrera over and over again and expecting different results"--Albert Einstein

by Kitspool on Nov 2, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, second to the Kardashian divorce.

I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.

by TheLetter2 on Nov 2, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t see why it has to go beyond “he’s bad at football, and shouldn’t be starting for that team.”

All the secondary judgments are too much.

Once more, coming to you by proxy.

by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

All joking aside, I do agree with that last statement. He’s under not one, but seventeen different microscopes at once. Poor Timmy.

I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.

by TheLetter2 on Nov 2, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

That

Is entirely his own doing. Nobody forced him to wear Bible verses on his face or cut a commercial for Focus on the Family. He made himself into a polarizing figure.

by taliesin on Nov 2, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay.

I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.

by TheLetter2 on Nov 2, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

He is reaping that which was sown.

But he knows that and expected it. He hasn’t once complained to my knowledge about any of this attention being undue.

11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi

by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 2, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is insane.

Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.

by Azmanz on Nov 2, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Holy shit. There’s slash.

I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.

by TheLetter2 on Nov 2, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeesh

People are very opinionated on this.

Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"

by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 2, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

The best is Purple Drank > Tebow.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I liked

Miami sports fans > Tebow

Also:

Joe Buck & Troy Aikman > Tebow. No that’s too harsh I take it back.

by taliesin on Nov 2, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

If they'd let Lopez and Affeldt walk, trade Sanchez, non-tender Keppinger and Whiteside, that'd be around 15 million you're not spending

If you trade Wilson, that’s another 8 million spent.

You could fit Reyes in with only a modest increase in spending. But they’re committed to spending a lot of money on relief pitching.

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 12:02 PM PDT reply actions  

I know you don't mean to

but it’s funny how bitter you sound that the Giants are not going to sign Reyes, or even attempt to go down that road.

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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by scout6 on Nov 2, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hahahaha

I won’t be rending my garments. It’s just a bummer. Dude’s good.

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

You’ll be rending your FACE.

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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 2, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Won't you be?

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

just hire interns to pitch and we’re all set

by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 2, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Verdugo. Runzler.

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hembree to replace Wilson.

That wasn’t so hard.

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

And before you say it, I will

No, I don’t think Verdugo Runzler and Hembree would be better than Lopez, Affeldt, and Wilson.

But Lopez Affeldt and Wilson cost 18 million next year.

And I’d rather have Reyes, Verdugo, Runzler, and Hembree than Crawford, Lopez, Affeldt, and Wilson.

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Signing Rollins does not strike me as cheating out

That would be a massive upgrade to offense and defense. Overpay, 5 years, whatever. Fill that giant org hole and then the makeshift rest of the plan actually works for me.

by hammystyle on Nov 2, 2011 12:06 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

5 years for Rollins isn’t going to be pretty at the end.

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by ResDog on Nov 2, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

5…. 3 years for Rollins isn’t going to be pretty at the end.

Fixed

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by nvsfg on Nov 2, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rollins isn’t pretty.

Double fixed

by djfivenine on Nov 2, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he'll age very well

He’s very athletic, and very good defensively. There’s plenty of shortstops fitting that profile who age well.

by hammystyle on Nov 2, 2011 1:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Here's a consideration

Two potential shortstops.

Shortstop A has hit .286/.364/.343 over the past three years. The defensive metrics say he’s average-ish on his career, but he has been used more in a utility role recently – though he logged over 500 innings at short in 2011.

Shortstop B has hit .255/.316/403 over the past three years. The defensive metrics say he’s well above average on his career, and is probably a +4 runs defender, and he’s been a regular shortstop for his entire career.

A is obviously the better hitter (or has been for the past three years), and B is the superior defender.

If I told you that A will be 38 next year and B will be just 33, you’d probably take B every day. But if I also told you that B will probably cost around 40 million in total value while A can likely be acquired for 2 or 3 million…

Which would you take?

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 12:14 PM PDT reply actions  

I really like Carroll. I don’t know why. I put him on my Pokemonz and kept an eye on him all season. I took first place in my league. Coincidence? I THINK NOT!

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by can of corn on Nov 2, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's been my scrappy white whale for many moons

I’m down with OBP.

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd be fine with having him on the team.

But I assume, because they are idiots, that the Giants view Carroll as being similar to Jeff Keppinger.

by Every6thDay on Nov 2, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

nah

no beard

My boy's got CLOSER MENTALITY!

Pithy.

by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 2, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

?

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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 2, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

A is Carrol and B is Rollins?
I would take the 2 million dollar option, even when a guy does not hit, he walks. Also, it would be good to see if we can develop Crawford or Panik to play SS.

by Myemail21479 on Nov 2, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

B

Because I think Jimmy Rollins solves the SS problem for years. It’s okay to spend the money when the guy is worth it.

Belter was one year younger than Jimmy Rollins, and no one seemed to think that 5 year deal was a huge gamble.

by hammystyle on Nov 2, 2011 1:19 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

shift-A

I don’t think this policy is so bad, given how awful Sabean is at making big-ticket free agent deals.

by wcw on Nov 2, 2011 12:19 PM PDT reply actions  

hahaha

that’s almost as funny as when I thought it while reading this post. Wait, did I say funny? I mean soul-crushing.

Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.

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by natteringnabob on Nov 2, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

How do you want to acquire players?

I agree with Sabean’s past-stated preference for free agency as a “clean” way to acquire players – that is to say, without giving up anything but money. Trades are more risky than free agents.

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

clean if you ignore FS comp picks

Also, very expensive: in aggregate, teams pretty much pay $1+ for $1 of value.

by wcw on Nov 2, 2011 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just started Moneyball. Felt like I was hot stuff because I “know” him from hanging here (or at least his better half does).

One way or another, this darkness got to give.

by bgunn on Nov 2, 2011 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh this is awesome
sbnbaseball SB Nation Baseball
Ryne Sandberg Being Considered For Managerial Opening … In St. Louis sbn.to/sjO9w5

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by 49er16 on Nov 2, 2011 12:20 PM PDT reply actions  

If he takes that job, don't the Cubs kinda have to sign Albert Pujols if only to retaliate?

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve been trying to learn that song… I’m hampered by being a terrible bass player though.

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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 2, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Once you learn it, you’ll be first chair in the McCsmouth Symphonia.

by wcw on Nov 2, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Woah

That would be like Will Clark taking the Dodgers job.

by taliesin on Nov 2, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can we get this comment deleted?

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by ResDog on Nov 2, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Dusty Baker managed the Giants for a disturbingly long time.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

True

But it’s not like Dusty was Steve Garvey or anything; he wasn’t a franchise icon.

by taliesin on Nov 2, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can I get this sentence deleted from my brain?

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by ResDog on Nov 2, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also Dusty hated the Dodgers for reasons that he never elaborated on. Voldemort could never call him to become a Death Eater

by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 2, 2011 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Baker said he “threw my hat into the ring” during the Dodgers’ most recent managerial search, but the franchise hired Joe Torre.

Sporting News, 8/21/10

11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi

by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 2, 2011 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Next time he should just send them a resumé.

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TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Nov 2, 2011 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I looked for some info on this because I remember all the stories about how much bad blood Dusty had for the Dodgers and how he’d never say it, but all I found was from the (sorry) Bleacher Report:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/522884-25-fieriest-coaching-feuds-in-sports/page/2

by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 2, 2011 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think his beef was with Lasorda and/or the O'Malleys.

Maybe something to do with unfounded accusations of drug use, IIRC?

11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi

by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 3, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Scioscia was/is pissed he never got the Dodgers job too.

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by ResDog on Nov 3, 2011 6:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also, Henry Schulman of all people summed up many of my feelings nicely, and I think some of the ones Grant was writing about.
I understand the counterargument that Fielder, Reyes and Beltran are bad bets for expensive long-term contracts because Fielder is going to be too heavy to play in his mid-30s while Reyes’ and Beltran’s legs already are breaking down. But here’s a little baseball secret that is not so secret anymore: Big-revenue teams who sign free agents to long contracts understand that they will be overpaying declining players on the back end, but figure it’s worth the risk if those players can help the team win a championship now.

Yes, the Giants have been burned by two inadvisable contracts, Barry Zito (seven years, $126 million) and Aaron Rowand (five years, $60 million), but let’s face it, everyone knew when those contracts were signed that the two guys were being overpaid for the first year, never mind the last year. Maybe Fielder will be too hefty to contribute in five years. Maybe Reyes will have to move to second base in 2016 because he no longer has the range or arm to play short. But either of these guys would have a stunning impact on a 2012 lineup that includes the return of Buster Posey and Freddy Sanchez.


At least for the moment, we’re still a capitalist country. The Giants’ partners have every right to decide how much profit they want to make on their investments and set the player payroll accordingly. But let’s be intellectually honest here. It’s not accurate to say they cannot afford a big-name hitter. They can. It’s just a matter of how much risk they will allow their general manager to take against the potential reward of another parade down Market Street next fall.

(emphasis mine, and read the rest here: http://blog.sfgate.com/giants/2011/10/29/the-san-francisco-giants-might-not-believe-its-prudent-to-go-after-fielder-or-reyes-but-dont-say-they-cant-afford-to/)

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 12:23 PM PDT reply actions  

BREAKING

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
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by scout6 on Nov 2, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, this was a few days ago, heh.

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

BREAKING

Henry Schulman fired as Giants Beat writer.

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by nvsfg on Nov 2, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

They can. It’s just a matter of how much risk they will allow their general manager to take against the potential reward of another parade down Market Street next fall.

I just don’t believe they’ll take that risk.

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by 49er16 on Nov 2, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

“Wait, we can draw 3 million+ fans and not even make the playoffs? Yeah let’s just do that.”

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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by scout6 on Nov 2, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Rainy day fund!

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by 49er16 on Nov 2, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

“We can win the World Series occassionally by using this strategy? BONUS!”

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by ResDog on Nov 2, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

They can't do that again

Someone should measure the half-life of a championship attendance boom.

by taliesin on Nov 2, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

They’ve drawn 3 million fans for all but two seasons since AT&T opened.

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by ResDog on Nov 2, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd change it to

"Wait, we can draw 3 million+ fans with just a 50/50 chance of making and not even make the playoffs? Yeah let’s just do that."

So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.

by Goofus on Nov 2, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

or get bounced in the NLDS by the Pirates

by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 2, 2011 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

At least for the moment, we’re still a capitalist country.

DEVELOPING: SCHULMAN FIRED FROM “WORLD OF OPERA”

I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.

by TheLetter2 on Nov 2, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I LOL’d.

"The definition of insanity is startjng Orlando Cabrera over and over again and expecting different results"--Albert Einstein

by Kitspool on Nov 2, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Probably mentioned in a previous thread but …
Flannery was on KNBR with M&M this morning there might be a podcast on their website.
Most of it was about the upcoming benefit. They did mention briefly at the end of it that, as far as signing players goes, the Giants are better sticking with what works at PacBelle: pitching and defense.

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by Merope on Nov 2, 2011 12:28 PM PDT reply actions  

For me, the big takeaway from that interview was that, for whatever reason, Flan did NOT like the whole “claw” and “antlers” gimmick the Rangers do (which I find fairly innocuous). He implied that the Cardinals play the game right, whatever that means, and that the Rangers got their comeuppance. It was interesting. Maybe Flannery was drunk.

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by Kitspool on Nov 2, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I forgot about that part the FlanMan is old skool!

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by Merope on Nov 2, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t celebrate base hits around Flannery!

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by 49er16 on Nov 2, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Flan also told a funny anecdote about Pat the Bat flying down to Santa Barbara last week to hang out with him and Flan’s wife. It was either the night of Game 6 or Game 7, and they all went to a party at some cowboy’s house (Flan has friends who are cowboys, yes) and Pat walked in and loudly announced to a room of folks he hadn’t met “We’re still World Champs for three more hours!”

Presumably he slept with at least five ladies in attendance.

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by Kitspool on Nov 2, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love Pat the Bat

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by 49er16 on Nov 2, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pat was in the clubhouse in StL after game seven, wasn’t he?

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by troymccluresf on Nov 2, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe the party was for Game 6.

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by Kitspool on Nov 2, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Musta been. Though I never actually saw evidence of his supposed being there.

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by troymccluresf on Nov 2, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wait why would he be in the St Louis clubhouse?

Kickham where it hurts

by say hey nation on Nov 2, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

FREE BEER

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by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

No idea. But people seemed to spot him there after the WS. I left the bar immediately after the last out, so I didn’t see it myself. And I’m with you- it doesn’t make much sense to me, hence me wanting to see a screencap.

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by troymccluresf on Nov 2, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

PTB…the Elvis of Baseball

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by nvsfg on Nov 2, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you had a party, wouldn’t you invite Pat the Bat?

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Without question
Presumably he slept with at least five ladies in attendance.

The only question was whether Mrs. Flannery was one of them

So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.

by Goofus on Nov 2, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've got to agree with Flan on the spotlight/antlers/????

I was glad that when Tehahahahahahahahahaha was trying to get it started on the Giants that it never caught on.

by nofreetime on Nov 2, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

Yeah, he was the only one that was doing it. I was kind of embarrased for him.

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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 2, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hate that the franchise makes it a point to perpetrate the pitching and defense myth of AT&T Park. I hate more that the perpetrate it, seemingly, because they really, really believe it.

Once more, coming to you by proxy.

by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m going to go with both options.

Once more, coming to you by proxy.

by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Perpetrate was a mistake, but it does get across the sense of this being a crime.

Once more, coming to you by proxy.

by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think they’re both right, really.

by Hyoton on Nov 2, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Flannery doesn't like being visited at third base.

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Those 2000-2002 teams really didn’t play well at Pac Bell.

by taliesin on Nov 2, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

What do you think it would take pry Jed Lowrie from the Red Sox?

They picked up Scutaro’s option and have Iglesias on the way

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by DFARowand on Nov 2, 2011 12:28 PM PDT reply actions  

...

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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw

by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

......

Ssory Doc, I'm on the Twitters
Craig James killed five hookers who were prostitutes before death.

by 49er16 on Nov 2, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah his dad is so much better

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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw

by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

And better looking.

Ssory Doc, I'm on the Twitters
Craig James killed five hookers who were prostitutes before death.

by 49er16 on Nov 2, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's probably responsible for at least 500 children around the world

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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw

by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just like Natto

Ssory Doc, I'm on the Twitters
Craig James killed five hookers who were prostitutes before death.

by 49er16 on Nov 2, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

/makes latin american themed joke.

Kickham where it hurts

by say hey nation on Nov 2, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

/unpacks your joke

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

Mayor of Smug.

by rotorueter on Nov 2, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I say you offer Sanchez + Wilson

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

You think Sanchez and Hembree could get it done?

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by DFARowand on Nov 2, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hembree makes me think of Embree and I start to convulse, no thanks.

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TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Nov 2, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have no conception of what they think of Lowrie

The do have a highly touted SS prospect, and I think they need pitching. But I dunno. A starter with just one year left and a relief prospect isn’t a lot to give. Or maybe it is. I’m bad at predicting these things.

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sanchez+Hembree has been discussed many times. I would prefer Sanchez+Wilson because it would also get rid of Wilson, but I’m not sure that’s reasonable.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I found a picture of him

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Mayor of Smug.

by rotorueter on Nov 2, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did anyone hear Kruk on M&M this morning??

He would “love” if the Giants brought in Chad Qualls, Coco Crisp, Jerry Hairston or Michael Cuddyer.

I shit you not.

by ThePasswordisWillieMcgee on Nov 2, 2011 12:35 PM PDT reply actions  

I barely take Krukow serious anymore.

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by 49er16 on Nov 2, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

He must have had cocktails for breakfast.

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by nvsfg on Nov 2, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

COCK AND TAILS?

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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw

by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

1. WHat?
2. I thought they signed him already
3. LOL why? SS of future?
4. Would be great if he did not cost a comp pick

by Myemail21479 on Nov 2, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

There’s a reason Mike Krukow is a broadcaster, you know.

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by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

He does talk about OBP from time to time

But I get the impression that he sees getting on base as a kind of secondary skill that’s nice to have but isn’t necessary, rather than it being kinda the whole point of hitting (not making outs).

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

ITS CALLED HITTING FOR A REASON

NOT WALKING

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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw

by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

He is a pitcher

Walks are mistakes by pitchers, or situational to pitching around a guy, in his eyes.

by Myemail21479 on Nov 2, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I get the impression that since he’s become more purely a spectator of the game, he’s most interested in seeing guys who put out a certain kind of visible effort, an effortful spectacle, if you will. I think the only times I’ve heard him criticize players were for dogging it or “not doing it the right way” or some samesuch.

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by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Grant will you write my rec letter?

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

For some reason, this link is not working for me

What are they looking for?

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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 2, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Copy editor

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by troymccluresf on Nov 2, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’d mark up all of Grant’s posts for being “excessively florid.”

"The definition of insanity is startjng Orlando Cabrera over and over again and expecting different results"--Albert Einstein

by Kitspool on Nov 2, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have plenty of experience doing it on this site!

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also I would totally do it for ten dollars an hour.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Might look good on a college application thingy too. [yes i’m sure you’ve already taken care of all those… but still…]

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by Merope on Nov 2, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, I still have a lot to do. The University of California is due at the end of the month, but most private schools are sometime in January.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

the UC application are a bargain…3 for the price of one!

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by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Write an essay about how you’re the only current high school senior in America who knows who Hank Greenberg was, and how the posting system works in baseball. You’re In Like Flint.

"The definition of insanity is startjng Orlando Cabrera over and over again and expecting different results"--Albert Einstein

by Kitspool on Nov 2, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why would you want to be in Flint?

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ten dollars per hour?

by Evan on Nov 2, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s what I was thinking.

Once more, coming to you by proxy.

by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s a lot different viewed through Bay Area eyes, remember.

by Grant Brisbee on Nov 2, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

/kicks you in the shin

HIRE EL PERSON!

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 2, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thus why they only “prefer” experience

by Hyoton on Nov 2, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

/cuts Grant’s posts to 5 words

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by ResDog on Nov 2, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Three of which are “fap.”

One way or another, this darkness got to give.

by bgunn on Nov 2, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I need one of these

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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw

by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just emailed to my husband.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Nov 2, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can I use Grant as a reference?

Ssory Doc, I'm on the Twitters
Craig James killed five hookers who were prostitutes before death.

by 49er16 on Nov 2, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep.

A shitty reference who will badmouth you. But you can use me.

by Grant Brisbee on Nov 2, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Today's CNN Review

Federal Reserve perks up (a bit) on economy — 29 recs

Lindsay Lohan gets jail time for probation violations — 248 recs

Way more people are enthusiastic about Lindsay Lohan going to Jail than the Fed’s view on economy.

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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw

by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 12:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Or that's indicative of the type of people who actually go to CNN.com for news

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by DFARowand on Nov 2, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Most people want to bang Lindsay Lohan

Most people don’t care how the money got to their wallet, once it is there.

by Myemail21479 on Nov 2, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shift-A: Another day in traffic hell...

2.5 hours to go 35 miles…OC to LA.

Paul McCartney would be cheap…just need to marry the guy.

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by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 12:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Were you on I-5?

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by 49er16 on Nov 2, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Initially…I-5…then the 91 then the 710 then the 5 again.

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by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not better…not better my friend.

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by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

405 and I-5 are the worse.

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by 49er16 on Nov 2, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

2 sigalert on the I-5, a sigalert on the 91, a sigalert on the 101, and a sigalert on the 10.

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by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

FUCK LA TRAFFIC

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by 49er16 on Nov 2, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was as if the Halloween hangover was moved one day over.

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by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

FUCK LA TRAFFIC

Sorry it was a reflex.

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by nvsfg on Nov 2, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

There are only so many ways to go north and south

I prefer 405 to 5 for couple of reasons

Carpool almost if not, the whole way (I don’t live in LA, usually I have someone with me)

Avoiding the CRAP TACULAR 10-5-101 interchange

Highway 5 goes down to 3 lanes at times, because they can’t widen it at spots, there are always stop and go in about 3 places on 5 because of this.

by Myemail21479 on Nov 2, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Avoiding the CRAP TACULAR 10-5-101 interchange

The fact that the 5 North goes down to TWO FUCKING LANES here is the dumbest thing ever. I mean, seriously, TWO FUCKING LANES

Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.

by Giant among Angels on Nov 2, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Calling a freeway

“the” 405 or “the” 5 is so L.A.

So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.

by Goofus on Nov 2, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

"the oc"

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by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t call it that.

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by troymccluresf on Nov 2, 2011 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

you forgot the M.E.

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by Merope on Nov 2, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually

the Bay Area is the only place I have heard the “the” dropped.

RIP 2011 Giants Post Season

by Cody_ransom on Nov 2, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s not my experience at all.

by chilibean_3 on Nov 2, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

“Dropped” as in “excluded” or “dropped” as in “used”?

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by troymccluresf on Nov 2, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Nimitz.

One way or another, this darkness got to give.

by bgunn on Nov 2, 2011 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually, I’ve never heard the article dropped there, and I think the people you hear who drop it are weirdos. Interesting exception to my comment below. I would suggest that the “the” there is like the one in “The Who” or any other band name. It’s part of it.

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by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2011 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I use the article for some reason when I discuss Knoxville-area interstates in my traffic reports. I can’t explain why.

I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.

by TheLetter2 on Nov 2, 2011 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Traitor

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

“Pretty light on the 640 this hour…”

I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.

by TheLetter2 on Nov 2, 2011 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

My feeling is that “freeway” is the basic noun there, and Interstate-5 is the proper name. 5, then, would be the nickname. You don’t put articles in front of proper nouns. Unless you’re Ohio State.

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by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2011 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

My other feeling is that I don’t really care how people say it, no matter how obviously correct my way is.

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by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2011 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s kind of silly to discuss it in terms of semantic propriety, IMO. It boils down to the simple truth that one is right and one is wrong.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

And mine is right for these reasons.

Once more, coming to you by proxy.

by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2011 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mostly it’s right because the other way is revolting and violates all sense of decency.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

What if you're Batman?

Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000

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by Alex_Lewis on Nov 2, 2011 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

You can also be the fucking Batman, situationally.

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by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2011 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, when criminals in that universe say things like “bring me the batman”, they’re not calling him by name. He doesn’t really have a name. Like if some guy with three hats came by and talked to me, I’d probably call him “that hat guy”. He just starts fighting crime while dressed as a bat. So they describe him. Then, later, the media picks up on it, and he becomes known as Batman.

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by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2011 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

And then writers ignore these facts, but nobody really care.

Once more, coming to you by proxy.

by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2011 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess Michael Keaton names himself. That’s sort of lame, in retrospect.

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by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2011 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now I’m curious how it was in the originals….

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by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2011 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

There’s an animated series titled “The Batman”.

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by Natto on Nov 2, 2011 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s actually Bruce Wayne’s band.

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by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2011 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

They’re pretty good, but I wish every song weren’t about his dead parents.

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by Natto on Nov 2, 2011 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I still do this. I learned how to drive in THE Little Saigon near THE 405 and THE 22.

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by ResDog on Nov 3, 2011 6:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think people call it that as a way of shortening “the 405 freeway”

Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
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by ResDog on Nov 3, 2011 6:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I do not miss those freeways.

But I do miss FREEways. Fricking tollroads.

Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
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by ResDog on Nov 2, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Orange County ruins everything.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

sorry for laughing

but I’m laughing (through my tears). I drove 25k a year when I lived down there; now, 5k up here.

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by son of ggf on Nov 2, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

“Welcome to the OC bitch!”

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by shanghaijim on Nov 2, 2011 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

hmm. 949. you're my neighbor, neighbor.

yes, traffic sucks.

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by ch3zyp00fs on Nov 2, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Woh today is a palindrome

20111102

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by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 12:54 PM PDT reply actions  

I’m scared.

I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.

by TheLetter2 on Nov 2, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you are using the communist ‘ISO 8601’ format.

Here in ‘murica, it’s 11022011. Nothing to be scared about TL2

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by nvsfg on Nov 2, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s also a palindrome, of course.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

You were not supposed to notice. I was trying to reassure TL2 that everything would be OK.

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by nvsfg on Nov 2, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

mind BLOWN

The first six innings are overrated.

by apistat on Nov 2, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

A man, a plan, Jose Reyes.

"The definition of insanity is startjng Orlando Cabrera over and over again and expecting different results"--Albert Einstein

by Kitspool on Nov 2, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I SEE IT

I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.

by TheLetter2 on Nov 2, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why can't I see it?

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by Azmanz on Nov 2, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bring Matt Murton back from Japan!

Totally forgot about that guy. Thanks KLaw.

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by DFARowand on Nov 2, 2011 1:02 PM PDT reply actions  

I still want the Giants to get

Kenji Johjima

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by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Have you seen his wife?

Good God.

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by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just Googled

myself.

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by Scooter Ellis on Nov 2, 2011 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which one will the Giants get?
Three potential right fielders who will land starting jobs are Carlos Beltran, Michael Cuddyer, and Jason Kubel. Beltran is a middle-of-the-order bat, but he’ll be 35 in April and missed much of 2009-10 with knee issues. Signing him will not involve the loss of a draft pick, but it may take three years and a salary of at least $13MM. Cuddyer can’t match Beltran’s bat, but he is younger, more versatile, and presumably cheaper. Signing him probably will require the loss of a draft pick though. Kubel is a similar hitter to Cuddyer aside from handedness, but Kubel’s outfield defense is a minus.

Probably Brad Hawpe

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/11/free-agent-and-trade-market-for-right-fielders.html

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by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 1:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Cuddyer makes more sense

Especially since he can play 2b and Sanchez is going to be unknown

by Myemail21479 on Nov 2, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cuddyer will cost a draft pick. Pass.

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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

First.

he’s type A.

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also

Cuddyer is super clank mitt.

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by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Have you seen Jason Kubel?

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by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kubel is okay hitter

By why not get Ross if you get Kubel

by Myemail21479 on Nov 2, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

He apparently plays with a metal mitt.

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by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

or Willingham?

Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.

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by natteringnabob on Nov 2, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cuddyer is a better hitter than anyone not named Posey or Panda on the Giants

Clank mitt aside, we used to have Burrel in a role similar.

That 1st round pick is horrible trade off, he is not worth it, unless he wants 5 years for 15 mil.

by Myemail21479 on Nov 2, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

You can only lose 1st rounders . Unless you are one of the 15 worst teams by record.

Kickham where it hurts

by say hey nation on Nov 2, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

or sign an even better free agent also

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by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

So the Giants are going to get him, then.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Baggs was talking up Cuddyer this morning, or at least, saying that’s what he thinks that’s the way the front office is thinking.

by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 2, 2011 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

David The Jesus

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by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

He should have been a Giant in 2010!

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by 49er16 on Nov 2, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

And yet he didn't

and the Giants won the WS!!!! Coincidence? I think not…

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by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was terrified that they would get him because they would have given up way too much. Then Sabes went and got Guillen.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

And the Commander!

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by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was dumb luck, of course

Guillen was supposed to be the right fielder for the team.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually, I don’t think so. I think Sabean brought Guillen in as a power bat off the bench…it was Bochy who made him into an everyday player.

People stated that Sabean claimed Cody as a block…that may have been the effect but I don’t think that it was the main reason.

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by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think anyone was suggesting at the time that he would be anything but the everyday right fielder.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

What about Jesus Shuttlesworth?

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Robert The Bruce

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Murray the K

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by TheLetter2 on Nov 2, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Joe the Plumber/Congressman

Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.

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by natteringnabob on Nov 2, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cuddyer is such a Sabean signing.

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by ResDog on Nov 2, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

The only reason I would say no

is because the Giants would have give up a draft pick. I think the Giants FO like their draft picks now (especially a first rounder).

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by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

True

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by ResDog on Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

3 years, 30 mil

Can play infield, outfield, has power, average and better than anyone he would replace.

If the Giants can get better, then I guess so, but he is not the injury risk Beltran is, and will be cheaper.

by Myemail21479 on Nov 2, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

"play"

All available evidence suggests he’s somewhere between bad and horrible as a defender no matter where he plays. I certainly wouldn’t want him playing second base.

by taliesin on Nov 2, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would pay the extra 3 million per year for Beltran if this was the choice.

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by scout6 on Nov 2, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

He certainly is not a RFer at AT&T.

He would have to play LF.

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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 2, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

He is more of a shortstop I think, and backup catcher

by Hyoton on Nov 2, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Apparently he is deaf in his left ear, its why they’ve always played him in RF in Minny. Not sure if he can play LF or not.

by shankbone on Nov 2, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

If he's deaf in his left ear

Wouldn’t you want him in LF, so he could hear the center fielder calling him off?

by taliesin on Nov 2, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

The left ear is nearest the CF, unless they’re both facing the fences.

(Right? Now I’m doubting myself.)

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by can of corn on Nov 2, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was thinking they'd be going toward the wall

But I guess they can really crash into each other either way.

by taliesin on Nov 2, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

wait what?

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by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

WHAT?

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by ResDog on Nov 3, 2011 6:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

He’s been basically a replacement level player in 2 of the last 4 years. Why are people so certain he will be good?

Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.

by Azmanz on Nov 2, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

No promises

And one of those years he was obviously hurt, 2008, with a 32 homer year the next year. Career 800 OPS, .340 OBP and probably 20 homer pop is better than what we have.

by Myemail21479 on Nov 2, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

So, to summarize

This team does not want to spend more money. This team is not smart enough to win without spending more money.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 1:13 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

yes

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by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well

No team wants to spend more money

So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.

by Goofus on Nov 2, 2011 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure, in a vacuum

But sometimes teams want to increase payroll to get better players. This team does not.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Listening to Sports Radio all morning (cuz I had a lot of time in the car)

All the talk was about the potential owner. Cuban was a name that kept coming up but he allegedly turned down an offer to pay the team for a billion a few weeks ago.

Also talk about how the new owners (if competent) could turn the Bums into Yankees West with its own network.

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by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 1:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Sabean just needs to make sure that the new owner

will keep Agent Ned in place.

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by D4P on Nov 2, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

why they’ve seeded SoCal to the Angels has to be one of the dumbest things a sports management has ever done

by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 2, 2011 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am amused by this homophone.

I mean, Mike Scoscia is the heart and soul of the Angels’ surge.

(ceded)

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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 2, 2011 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

stupid typing at work at fast speeds in hope nobody notices you’re not working

by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 2, 2011 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did we sign Sizemore yet?

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by son of ggf on Nov 2, 2011 1:20 PM PDT reply actions  

my wife keeps asking me the same thing

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by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

/rimshot

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by TheLetter2 on Nov 2, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

hawt

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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 2, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tom

I think he’s a little out of shape.

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by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jimmy

I hadn’t even heard of him.

by Hyoton on Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

He just has to pick the Tea Set he wants included in the deal and then he’ll sign.

Kickham where it hurts

by say hey nation on Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why don't we just sign Ryan Gosling

They both will be sitting on the bench all season anyways.
The ladies will want to go to the games more.
We could probably get Gosling for about 1 million/year

by djfivenine on Nov 2, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure he would ask for more…he probably get like $10 million a film plus a percentage now.

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by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

nohomo but I googled ryan gosling

says he is getting about 3 mil a year from multiple movies.
Still cheaper than Sizemore

by djfivenine on Nov 2, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

He is a big fan of abstract Japanese music dramas.

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by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also seemingly made by people who don’t know the first thing about cars.

by chilibean_3 on Nov 2, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

You’re just used to movies with dialogue. Pfftt… you. You’ve been duped by Hollywood into believing these “Speakies” will last long.

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by ResDog on Nov 2, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ryan Gosling is going to awkwardly stare and short, one-sentence response the panties off you, girl.

I did enjoy the movie though. I was genuinely interested to see where it was going.

by chilibean_3 on Nov 2, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s like he was just waiting for her to rip off her clothes & jump on him. I think he’s used to that type of reaction. The fact that she didn’t had him more intrigued.

They could have and should have done more with his character to make me more interested in how it played out.

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by ResDog on Nov 2, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d defiantly agree they could have done more. Not sure they wanted to. Hell, even though I enjoyed it I’m not sure I can call it a good or bad movie. There are people I know who would like it and people who would hate it and I can’t blame either group. All I came away thinking was that it was very awkward and I wanted to see how the story played out. Even though it ended up playing out in a pretty predictable fashion.

I guess the movie was pretty okay.

by chilibean_3 on Nov 2, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t understand Ryan Gosling. Is he expressive?

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by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not…not really? I don’t know.

by chilibean_3 on Nov 2, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whoa, I just noticed how much he looks like Alex Smith.

Once more, coming to you by proxy.

by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope they do

For no other reason than the Sanford & Son jokes.

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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 2, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Theo Epstein reached out to Ryne Sandberg today, thru PHI, and explained to him he will not be a candidate for the Cubs’ managerial job.

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by DFARowand on Nov 2, 2011 1:24 PM PDT reply actions  

What the heck does that mean?

Epstein told Charlie Manuel to give Sandberg the no signal?

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Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Epstein reached out to Sandberg to cut through speculation and tell him why he wasn’t being considered; RS appreciated gesture, source says.

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by DFARowand on Nov 2, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

MY COMPLETELY BOGUS JOE MADDON-TO-THE-CUBS RUMOR IS STILL ALIVE!

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by Kitspool on Nov 2, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not really surprising.

Kickham where it hurts

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“Ryne, it’s Theo.”
“Yeah, what’s up?”
“I just wanted to let you know you are not getting the job.”
“What job?”
“The Cubs managerial job”
“I didn’t apply for that job”
“Yeah, I know. But I just wanted to let you know that you didn’t get it.”
“Uh…okay. Thanks.”

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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 2, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Offseason Shopping List

5th Starter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0leP9QQajNI&feature=related

Centerfielder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=T-sy-KN_fGo#t=479s

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by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 1:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Iwakuma is an unrestricted FA I think

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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aoki will likely be posted, but Chen is a true free agent.

With all the attention on Yu Darvish, Aoki who had a injury this year is going to get undervalued. A rare gold glove defensive centerfielder with ON BASE SKILLS.

And Chen is not an Ace, but Chunichi Dragon is like the San Francisco Giants of the central league. No hitting whatsoever and an extreme fly ball pitcher’s park. He can be a perfect 3-4 here. Plus, because he was not drafted into Japan but signed as a free agent from Taiwan, there is no posting fees!

Those two are what I call : Shopping on a budget.

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by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Was Aoki the one you posted a video of the other day? Wow, he was impressive.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Nov 2, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes I reposted that video above

I wrote about Norichika Aoki 2 years ago. Grant rejected me.

http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2009/10/8/1076776/i-dream-of-you-norichika-aoki

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by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still do not know why the Giants do not do more pacific rim scouting…marketing alone would be enough to sign a good player.

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by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

The posting system sucks

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by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well…the Dodgers got a lot of good players without posting… Choo was not posted.

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by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes…that’s right Posting is Japanese only. Which makes the Giants lack of scouting of non-Japanese player even weirder.

Seems like their focus is on Latin America.

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by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

they are not focused anywhere

they pretty much rely on rule 5 draft only these days.

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by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Choo is Korean, but that's not why he wasn't posted

The posting system is an agreement between the major leagues and NPB. Choo was signed as an amateur free agent, so even if he had been Japanese he wouldn’t have been posted.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

So the key is to find them when they are not superstars or professionals yet.

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by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

The problem is that there are a lot of Asian teams that have the resources to scout more thoroughly than a major league team can. That’s not the case in Latin America.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yet the Dodgers and Mariners found quite a few players.

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by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Johjima, Sasaki…of the 42 Japanese players, only 7 have entered by the posting system (13 have tried).

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by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s all those nintendo connections

by Hyoton on Nov 2, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I always wondered that myself

But for every Ichiro, there is a Dice K

by Myemail21479 on Nov 2, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was looking more at lesser known talent. Kuo and Choo come to mind.

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by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

For every Ichiro there a A LOT of Dice Ks

by chilibean_3 on Nov 2, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

sure but for every Tim Lincecum there are a lot of Luke Hochevars and Greg Reynolds

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by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hochevar = Knoxville native.

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by TheLetter2 on Nov 2, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eh, I didn’t read the first part of this conversation. Sure, scout more in Asia. Whatever. No interest in posting fees and international hype though.

by chilibean_3 on Nov 2, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

as stated above but on 7 of the 42 Japanese players have entered the MLB via the posting system.

None of the Korean or Taiwanese players in the league had to go through the posting system.

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by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s very rare that Asian players who don’t spend time in the minor leagues provide anything close to an adequate return on investment. I would have no problem with scouting high school players, but I would imagine that the domestic leagues have that ground pretty well trodden already.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

That all requires money and ups the Operating Costs budget (isn’t this why the Giants kind of suck at finding all those nice Dominican players or have they gotten better) and I don’t know if the Giants want to put resources into this.

by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 2, 2011 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s been one of those days where the Tennessee Bonding Company jingle has been stuck in my head.

I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.

by TheLetter2 on Nov 2, 2011 1:51 PM PDT reply actions  

1-877-BONDS-4-KIDZ

Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.

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by natteringnabob on Nov 2, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

thanks for that

thanks a lot.

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by Smoke on the Water on Nov 2, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like having Matt and Tim, too, and I definitely do want them to spend their money on keeping those two (rather than say, $10 mil on LOOGYs, but I digress).

But I do have to wonder what happens to that strategy if Timmy’s agent says “we want to go ahead and take it to arbitration this year” and Matt’s agent says “let’s wait until next winter to talk about extensions — Matt’s 12 months away from the option to go to a team where he can actually give up a run now and again and not take a Loss, and he’s interested in exploring that avenue.”

What becomes of the stand pat strategy at that point?

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MY BOY NEEDS TO THROW HARDER!

by Roger on Nov 2, 2011 1:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah.

Pretty scary. I think Cain will get a little more than Weaver money, and it will happen in the next couple of months, though. Just my guess.

by Grant Brisbee on Nov 2, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Back loaded contract with lots of money when Zito comes off the payroll in 2014.

Timmy is arbitration through 2013, Matt is a FA in 2013.

last year: Zito, Timmy and Cain = $40 million. I think the Giants can sign Timmy and Cain with $40 million

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by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

rowand after this upcoming season also.

Please don’t me for mentioning him.

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by ELOOIE on Nov 2, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

err.. comes off the books.

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by ELOOIE on Nov 2, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yea

If you take the 30 mil +/- those two jokers make, we won the WS with a 70 mil payroll, about 95 mil last year.

by Myemail21479 on Nov 2, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

My point isn’t are there ways to accommodate the money, though. My point is: what if they just say no? The market overpays, especially starting pitching, which is why agents like to persuade their clients to go that direction. They have the option of just saying no, we’d like to see what else is out there.

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by Roger on Nov 2, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then you have to make a business decision. There is obviously some belief that Cain and Timmy would rather be Giants than worry about getting the most money ala Weaver

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by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Tim wants to be a Mariner

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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 2, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because the Giants can’t score runs?

(kidding…mostly.)

Where have you gone John Johnstone?

by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 2, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

so he goes to the only team that scores less runs than the Giants? o_O

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by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

/thatsthejoke.jpg

Where have you gone John Johnstone?

by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 2, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

my bad

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by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

/wolfcastle’d

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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 2, 2011 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

/pushes on portrait of Hitler
/Castle Wolfenstien’d

by chilibean_3 on Nov 2, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

POP! POP!

“ACH! MEIN LEBEN!”

11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi

by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 2, 2011 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

A Sailor? Can he still smoke in the service?

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by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think they should start now with little things

Replacing the trainers, batboys and clubhouse attendants with Playmates might make them want to stay

So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.

by Goofus on Nov 2, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

they could

but they’re pitchers. That’s a very risky strategy for them to take. They’ve both been very durable so far, but we should all be praying every day that continues, because it might not.

I’ve always had a feeling that Matt Cain genuinely likes being a Giant, despite all the crap this offense has put him through. I have less of that sense for Lincecum, but we’ll see. Obviously, given how important they’ve been to the organization and how beloved they are by the fans, you would expect the Giants to do their best to pony up and keep them. Just hope that both of them are willing to meet somewhere in the middle.

Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...

by Smoke on the Water on Nov 2, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

If I were them, I would wait another year to see how the team bounces back with Buster, Panda and Freddy all healthy.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Nov 2, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tim’s statements that he only wants short term deals for the near future indicates to me that he’s wisely keeping his options open.

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by can of corn on Nov 2, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dunno man

If I were a pitcher, I’d want some medium term security. I’d absolutely be willing to give up maybe my first 1-2 years of free agency to lock down a big contract. THEN maybe I’d wait to hit the open market before I signed again, to really try and cash in big. But taking it year to year, you’re really risking that you could be leaving a lot of money on the table. I’d much rather know that I’m going to be at least moderately rich and put off the possibility of being exorbitantly wealthy for a few years more than do what Timmy seems to want to do.

Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...

by Smoke on the Water on Nov 2, 2011 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or, you wait and see if the FO can construct a team that doesn’t require you to pitch a CGSO every time. If it looks like that happens, you sign a longer term deal. If not, you go play somewhere else. It’s kind of a like a trial membership for him. He’ll get his huge payday in a year or two – I’m just not sure it will be with the Giants.

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by can of corn on Nov 2, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

OT: Jim Harbaugh is a twisted genius
mattbarrows Matt Barrows
Jim Harbaugh’s reaction to bloody Ahmad Brooks’ helmetless sack: "Loved it, loved it. Wish he would have come and wiped some on my cheek."

by ThePasswordisWillieMcgee on Nov 2, 2011 1:51 PM PDT reply actions  

damn
darrenrovell darren rovell
Officially dead RT @JBoorstin News Corp’s Chase Carey says “we’re not buying the Dodgers”

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by DFARowand on Nov 2, 2011 2:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Darn. So any other rumors of potential buyers?

by chilibean_3 on Nov 2, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rumors are that Peter O’Malley is trying to get an investment group to buy the Dodgers.

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by SFGuy on Nov 2, 2011 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d like that.

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by ResDog on Nov 3, 2011 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Translation: They are buying the dodgers!

by Hyoton on Nov 2, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remain a big fan of not overspending on the top free agents, even if they ARE the best player in the game or Prince Fielder. Or Jose Reyes.

I'm thinking but nothing's happening.

by JRPhillips on Nov 2, 2011 2:08 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm a pitching slut

so I really don’t want the Giants to piss Tim & Matt away for the sake of whichever FA had the best PR or agent.

I’d much rather watch the 2010 Giants than Bonds/Kent and only Estes and Ortiz on the mound (ok, Schmidty was good).

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Nov 2, 2011 2:13 PM PDT reply actions  

I think they should do both.

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 2, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

And can you say that again, please?

This time, just a little slower with a hint of breathlessness! =)

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 2, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

twss

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by ResDog on Nov 2, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

In a perfect world, yeah. But if I have to choose, my personal preference is pitching and defense. In fact, I like Reyes more for his glove than for the bat that the Giants actually need.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Nov 2, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm with you

Not literally

So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.

by Goofus on Nov 2, 2011 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m there too. With a decent-ish offense, we could pretty much shut down everyone in the playoffs and go on to defeat the Rangers for the 2nd time in 3 years.

by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 2, 2011 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d rather not Piss Timmy and Cain’s careers away with repeats of last season.

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by ELOOIE on Nov 2, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yerp

What’s the point of having great pitching if your offense is never going to score for them?

I mean, shit, the Padres are always near the top of the league in team ERA. Doesn’t make ’em fun to watch.

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by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

The point is, TGWTWS by not ever needing more than 3 runs to win a game. Still, I agree that more offense is needed.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Nov 2, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

eh

They scored a crapton of runs last September.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Chicks dig the splitfinger.

BWAHAHAHAHA!

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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 2, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOLOLOL!

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Nov 2, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

SLIDER IN THE DIRT

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by ResDog on Nov 2, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

BACKDOOR SLIDER

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by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Chin music

Is it February 19 yet?

by j14 on Nov 2, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wang Dynasty

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by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

SUICIDE SQUEEZE

I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Nov 2, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

HIT AND RUN

One way or another, this darkness got to give.

by bgunn on Nov 2, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

HIDDEN BALL TRICK

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by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

UGLY FINDER!

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

Mayor of Smug.

by rotorueter on Nov 2, 2011 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

SWINGING AT SLOP

So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.

by Goofus on Nov 2, 2011 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

GRAB SOME PINE MEAT

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

Mayor of Smug.

by rotorueter on Nov 2, 2011 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

BUSTER POSEY

Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.

by speckops on Nov 2, 2011 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

At least he’s a workhorse

Is it February 19 yet?

by j14 on Nov 2, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

San Francisco Giants
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by Natto on Nov 2, 2011 2:33 PM PDT reply actions  

I thought it was Pank & Brown & Crawford.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Nov 2, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tee hee. I wonder if he even knows I sit behind him in Geometry.

I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.

by TheLetter2 on Nov 2, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have counted all the freckles on the back of his neck! Tee hee.

by WhatsAMataHari on Nov 2, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

OT: it's the end of the world as we know it...

…and I feel like conspiracy theorists are everywhere…

http://www.naturalnews.com/028167_predictions_2012.html

Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.

TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Nov 2, 2011 2:34 PM PDT reply actions  

I stopped reading after #19

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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 2, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

it was pretty bad.

Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.

TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Nov 2, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL…from a related site

Porn Studio Building Massive Underground Bunker to ‘Ride Out the 2012 Apocalypse’

Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.

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by Merope on Nov 2, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Need to have pretty good screening beforehand or else survival will be short-lived.

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by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

How did you even get that far?

Oh well, they’re just playing to their audience.

by BestHyperboleEver on Nov 2, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Stupid Sheeple!
The TSA swears that your “naked” body picture is deleted in mere seconds after it’s taken. But I predict that a famous U.S. celebrity will have their body scanner picture taken, saved and swapped all over the internet….“Sheeple” air travelers will go right along with it, believing that a little more security is worth sacrificing any amount of freedom.

by Hyoton on Nov 2, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Conclusion: I will worry when I become a famous US celebrity.

I like how foreign celebrities will be okay.

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by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I enjoy being scanned

I usually strike a Captain Morgan pose and add a little hip gyration for good measure

So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.

by Goofus on Nov 2, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ask around and you’ll hear this over and over again: People are concerned about what might be coming. They’re concerned about a global financial collapse, an ecological crisis and potential disruptions in the food supply. The radical weather patterns now being witnessed across the world are further indication that something’s wrong with the world we thought we knew.

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by ResDog on Nov 2, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Millerites were right!

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by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also a list of movies that will be coming out next year.

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by Natto on Nov 2, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

SCIENCE
Physicists Praveen Ashok, Bavishna Praveen, and K. Dholakia working together at the University of St Andrews in Scotland have developed a method for testing whiskey for authenticity using a crafted device that allows for measurements via spectroscopy. The results of their research have been published in the journal Optics Express.

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by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 2:42 PM PDT reply actions  

They have dubbed their invention: "The Irish"

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
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by scout6 on Nov 2, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s ripe for some unpackin’.

I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.

by TheLetter2 on Nov 2, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

It must be confusing that one of the physicists’ first names is the same as one of the others’ surnames.

by non sequitur on Nov 2, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

My dad’s surname is his first name while mine is my last name. Indian naming conventions are irregular.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

so baer says he wants a long term contract with lincecum

kind of odd he mentioned that first.
makes me wonder about the cain yankees talk.

by orange velvet on Nov 2, 2011 2:48 PM PDT reply actions  

I have a felling the Cain deal is already done, they are just waiting to announce it.

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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by scout6 on Nov 2, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because they went way over slot

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by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

They could wait until the point in the offseason where fans start yelling for them to GET OFF THEIR ASS GIANTS BRASS

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by ResDog on Nov 2, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Didn’t that start already?

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Nov 2, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nah, wait until a couple of the big pieces come off the board.

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by ResDog on Nov 2, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

During the press conference when they announce the Beltran and Reyes signings

I want Larry Baer to say, “There. Now I hope Lars will shut the fuck up!”

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 2, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brian Cashman: “I’d like to announce that today we have locked up Carlos Beltran to a 5 year deal…”
Ruben Amaro: “We are glad to tell our fans that we came to an agreement with free agent shortstop Jose Reyes…”

Larry Baer, sitting at home, mutters: "There. Now I hope Lars will shut the fuck up!"

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by ResDog on Nov 2, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

If that happened

I would eat nothing but jello for a week

by Myemail21479 on Nov 2, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

The first Cain deal occurred pretty quietly.

I think both Cain and Lincecum want to be Giants.

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by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Emotionally, yes. But looking at their careers, I imagine they might also be interested in playing for a team with enough offense to actually win. It’s gotta wear on a guy to pitch 7 games where you only give up one run, and the team loses all of them because they can’t score a freakin’ run or two.

Plus also – the siren song of more money.

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by can of corn on Nov 2, 2011 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I imagine they might also be interested in playing for a team with enough offense to actually win.

Not to brush aside the problems with our offense, but Lincecum & Cain’s current team is one of two teams to win the World Series in the past two years. The team has glaring issues, but as frustrated as they must be, I doubt they think this team has nothing going for the immediate future.

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by troymccluresf on Nov 2, 2011 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’d also be the team that has finished – except for the one magical, crazy year – last or near to it in offense every season of their careers. Still, I think they like it here, generally speaking.

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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 2, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

offense to actually win.

They were reigning World Champions until just last week you know!
Neither of them sound like they are motivated by “stats” or “winz” so much as being on a competitive team. With a little tweaking, the Giants could continue to be that team.

Besides “over my dead my body” pretty much rules out the NYY and Mets for ol’ Timmy.

Where have you gone John Johnstone?

by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 2, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heh – both of you raise the same point. The 2010 team was a confluence of players hitting their peaks at the right time, taking them through a marvelous post season. The 2011 team was more typical of the kind of team Sabean has put together over the last several years (before you jump in – yes, there were injuries; but also no depth to take the edge off and some really stupid trades and signings mid-season), and it simply failed to score runs.

Signing older players years removed from their glory years (aka “gritty vets”) as a practice may get you the trophy one year if everything lines up just right; more typically it leaves you losing series to the Pirates in August.

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by can of corn on Nov 2, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well…they have been hindered by the Aaron Rowand/Barry Zito factor…in 2014, the team will be based upon Panda (Arb 3) , Timmy, Cain, Bum (Arb 2), and Buster (Arb 2)…that will probably be around $60-70 million of the payroll (Timmy at $20, Cain at 18, Bum at 6-8, Buster at 4-5, Panda at 10-12)…they’ll have about $60 to 80 million to spend on everyone else.

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by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

My point stands – I don’t believe that Sabean knows how to spend wisely.

I’m happy to be proven wrong, though!

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by can of corn on Nov 2, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I totally hear you...

but:

Fun Fact: The ’06 Cardinals got swept by the Pirates in August and won the World Series.

Where have you gone John Johnstone?

by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 2, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

The 2010 confluence wasn't all that crazy when you consider

Panda wasn’t good and it was without Posey for the first part of the season.

So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.

by Goofus on Nov 2, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

ummm

That Panda wasn’t good and Posey spent the start of the season in Fresno

So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.

by Goofus on Nov 2, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

But who knows what they think? They could be crying into their pillows every night about their .500 W-L record or taking baseball bats to cardboard cut outs of Orlando Cabrera and they’re not going to tell anyone.

by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 2, 2011 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I saw some stupid number of record when Giants scored 4 or more runs last year

59-4?

They scored an abysmal amount of runs last year. It would not be out of the question to make modest upgrades, score 100 more runs and win 15 more games.

Lincecum + Cain + Bumgarner are awesome playoff rotation

by Myemail21479 on Nov 2, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

You’re forget one Ryan Vogelsong…he probably would have been no. 3 by the end of last year no?

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by CalBear949 on Nov 2, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

He had a great year

One way or the other 4 good starters. Last year we thought Sanchez was the number 2/3 guy, and Bumgarner was. Never know what the pressure will do to first timers. Cain Timmy and Bum are the real deal in the playoffs though.

by Myemail21479 on Nov 2, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why would they do that?

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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

While I understand that some people think that Timmy and Cain may not want to pitch for a team with this offense much longer, I find that a tough sell a year after they won the World Series. Right now they almost certainly believe the problem last year was injuries, and injuries alone.

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"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil

by marcello on Nov 2, 2011 3:11 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

SIGH

Why is the cancel button so close to the post button? Damn you SBN.

Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil

by marcello on Nov 2, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can never find the cancel button on those 24 hour trial websites

And my wife would question "Honey, what is this 34.95 charge for something called “Katoey Unleashed?”"

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw

by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.

by Goofus on Nov 2, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here, have a rec

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by ResDog on Nov 3, 2011 7:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
LoMoMarlins Logan Morrison
Here u go giant fans. moby.to/rsqps8 moby.to/yfdjn7

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw

by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 3:18 PM PDT reply actions  

What are they? (other than banned by our IT guy)

Where have you gone John Johnstone?

by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 2, 2011 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pictures of Panda’s world series ring?

Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.

TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Nov 2, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

lomo holding sandoval's world series ring

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw

by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ha! That’s awesome.

Where have you gone John Johnstone?

by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 2, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Still do want

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by marcello on Nov 2, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

When I was at the Stonestown Dugout store a few weeks ago, there was an older gentleman who slyly sidled me at the display case in the corner and showed off his WS ring. Apparently he’s an usher, which is how he got it. He then walked away after that. It was kinda weird.

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by Natto on Nov 2, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey. Hey. Hey. Ssssshhhh. Check this out. Alright, I’m out.

by chilibean_3 on Nov 2, 2011 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did he leave any stains on you?

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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 2, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

What was he doing there? He must be a big fan of the team, too.

by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 2, 2011 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Twitter folks:
SFGiants San Francisco Giants
Any questions for @bcraw35 – use #SFGLive

Ask Brandon Crawford anything!

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
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by scout6 on Nov 2, 2011 3:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Have you been working on your hitting?

by chilibean_3 on Nov 2, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL. I heard him on KNBR this morning and they were talking to him about that. But in a way that didn’t make him answer. Mostly it was “So you were only hitting .190. Are you going to do better? I guess you have to do better. Are you working on it? Of course you’re working on it. You’re so great on defense. Did you see that video of your work at SS? Did you make that?”

Kind of like that. Crawford just had to occasionally grunt or murmur “hmmmmm”.

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by can of corn on Nov 2, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

“Conditioner, or cream rinse?”

“Do you exfoliate regularly?”

“Can you post a shirtless pic?”

“Would you describe your eyes as ‘smoldering’ or ‘enigmatic’?”

CRAWFORD: “…does anyone have a baseball-related question?”

/complete silence

CRAWFORD: “Fine. Enigmatic.”

I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.

by TheLetter2 on Nov 2, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You forgot: pie or cake?

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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Nov 2, 2011 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is your beard trimmer set to "1" or "2"?

So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.

by Goofus on Nov 2, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s a total body manscaping device.

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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 2, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

man, I really like that Crawford. I hope he pans out for the Giants. Would solve a bevy of problems.

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by son of ggf on Nov 2, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes, bevy

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by son of ggf on Nov 2, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bonus: it would piss off GP.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Nov 2, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

It would not at all make me angry if he was good.

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Define good.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Nov 2, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha, at this point, for him, I'd consider an OBP above ,300 good.

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

.300

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Generous. Personally, I think it all depends on whether they get someone for the OF who can take up his slack. That defense makes me forgiving.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Nov 2, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

By default nothing makes you angry

you have no emotion whatsoever

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw

by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

You would be angry after the 4000 “I told you so’s”

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Mayor of Smug.

by rotorueter on Nov 2, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hahaha, nah

I got no problem being wrong. Happens pretty often. I’ve gotten used to it.

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

this is why it’s great to debate you.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Nov 2, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

he’s got a great baseball-way about him, something that rubs off on the other players when he’s out in the field.

I get the impression that he’s the type of player that will find ways to contribute, even if his stats aren’t stellar. I agree, though, .300 OBP is the basement.

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by son of ggf on Nov 2, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Frankly, nothing would make me happier than this. And then, Charlie Culberson works out and it’s the curly haired middle infield jean selling machine!

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Nov 2, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

They’re both getting married, so that’s a start.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just like to look at them. I’m married, too.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Nov 2, 2011 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I mean that getting married will make them good.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because that’s what tends to happen when Giants prospects get married.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess it must be causative.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Nov 2, 2011 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can’t see how it could be anything else.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

One of my friends’ first marriage was to a baseball player, but it didn’t end well. I’m sure you can guess why.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Nov 2, 2011 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your friend married Pat Burrell?

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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Nov 2, 2011 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

His equivalent in the faithfulness arena.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Nov 2, 2011 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

She failed to improve the level of his play?

by WhatsAMataHari on Nov 2, 2011 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

They no longer are seduced by the life of easy drinks and fast women by PtB.

by WhatsAMataHari on Nov 2, 2011 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Evidence shows that when Giants rookies get married they learn to play better.

by WhatsAMataHari on Nov 2, 2011 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nats get one year Wang! /consults physician
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
#Nats, Wang have agreed in principle on a 1-year deal

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
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by scout6 on Nov 2, 2011 3:24 PM PDT reply actions  

There was a rumor in Taiwan that Wang didn't pitch game 1 or 2 because

he wants the contract to be done first before he pitches.

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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw

by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Everybody have fun tonight. Everybody Wang Chung tonight.

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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Nov 2, 2011 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

1 year?

I thought you’re supposed to see a doctor if it exceeds four hours

So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.

by Goofus on Nov 3, 2011 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

I love when Deadspin blows up ESPN
Earlier this year, Clinkscales (big time ESPN exec) traveled to Los Angeles with Erin Andrews for a work-related event. Andrews sat in the middle, while Clinkscales was on the aisle. It was in either first or business class. What happened next was related by Andrews herself to both Connie, her husband, and ESPN anchor Sage Steele. At some point during the trip, Andrews saw Clinkscales masturbating in his seat, beneath his iPad. When he realized he had been caught, Andrews told Connie, Clinkscales panicked and muttered, “You know, I’m one of your bosses.” Andrews, still scarred from the very public peephole stalking incident, was angry but conflicted, Connie tells me. She shared the incident with a handful of people at the network, but refused Connie’s suggestion that she go to HR. “Do it anonymously then,” Connie advised. Erin declined. She just wanted it to go away.

http://deadspin.com/5855807/why-an-espn-vp-filed-a-pre+emptive-lawsuit-denying-he-masturbated-in-front-of-erin-andrews

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by DFARowand on Nov 2, 2011 3:34 PM PDT reply actions  

HOOOOGAAANscales!!!!!!

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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 2, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

what I took from this

A) anyone who denies gender inequality in the workforce is fucking insane

B) ESPN employs Song of Ice & Fire characters

My boy's got CLOSER MENTALITY!

Pithy.

by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 2, 2011 3:43 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

CLINKSCALES?

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.

by jponry on Nov 2, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

It totally sounds like a made-up name.

I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]

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by can of corn on Nov 2, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

His disgruntled employees all refer to him as The Colonel.

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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 2, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

DEXTER CLINKSCALE

Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner

by natteringnabob on Nov 2, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sounds like a fool's name

Oh, oh, oh, I’m feeling my balls, I know, oh, oh.

Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
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by Murray, Present on Nov 2, 2011 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, Sage Steele. What on earth? Sounds like a soap opera character and a fanfic character got together, had a baby, peed on it, and then named it.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 3, 2011 6:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Steve Jobs is in a better place right now, not knowing that Apple customers are using the iPad as a masturbation awning.

"The definition of insanity is startjng Orlando Cabrera over and over again and expecting different results"--Albert Einstein

by Kitspool on Nov 2, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Masturbation Awning sounds like the name of a band.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I FLEW ACROSS THE PACIFIC AND I DIDNT WANK
jeez man control yourself or go to the fucking bathroom

Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.

by shanghaijim on Nov 2, 2011 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Please don’t ever knock one out in the bathroom on a transpacific flight.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

you know

at least that activity does not leave odiferous emanations afterward. A much bigger hazard on a flight.

Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner

by natteringnabob on Nov 3, 2011 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ew. There’s a world of things wrong with this, but I can’t get over how this waste of space decides to pull out his winky and give it a tug on an airplane. Planes are gross and the people who fly are usually gross, too. Although I’ve never flown first class and I usually drug myself within an inch of my life so I can pass out for the duration of the flight anyway, so what do I know? Perhaps people just masturbate willy-nilly in first class.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 3, 2011 6:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Welp

I have a lot more free time ahead of me now.

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by Natto on Nov 2, 2011 3:57 PM PDT reply actions  

uh oh

is it what I think it is?

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw

by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

sorry man =/

that’s tough right before the holidays season

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw

by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ugh. Sorry to hear that, amigo.

Is it February 19 yet?

by j14 on Nov 2, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

You didn't need their crappy bullshit anyway!

But I’m sorry to hear…

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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 2, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

/starts singing Who Needs the Kwik-E-Mart

Is it February 19 yet?

by j14 on Nov 2, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let’s hurl a brick-e-mart!

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

Mayor of Smug.

by rotorueter on Nov 2, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Their floors are sticky-mart

Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.

TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Nov 2, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Somewhat tangentially, I now have “Baby on Board” stuck in my head.

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

Mayor of Smug.

by rotorueter on Nov 2, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Best Simpsons song ever.

Is it February 19 yet?

by j14 on Nov 2, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

with See my Vest a close second.

Is it February 19 yet?

by j14 on Nov 2, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Due to various fuck ups in real life recently we’ve been singing a lot of this one:
If there’s a task that must be done,
Don’t turn your tail and run,
Don’t pout, don’t sob,
Just do a half-assed job!

If… you… cut every corner
It is really not so bad,
Everybody does it,
Even mom and dad.
If nobody sees it,
Then nobody gets mad,
It’s the American way!

Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.

TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Nov 2, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Meh. Hard to give See My Vest full credit, since it’s a Beauty and the Beast parody.

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

Mayor of Smug.

by rotorueter on Nov 2, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

what would you prefer?

Just because BOB isn’t a direct lift doesn’t make it particularly good.

by wcw on Nov 2, 2011 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

If we are comparing the parodies, I’d rather go with one of the Planet of the Apes songs.

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

Mayor of Smug.

by rotorueter on Nov 2, 2011 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh my God, I was wrong
It was Earth all along!

Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
Please follow my Twitter

by Murray, Present on Nov 2, 2011 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

You finally made a monkey…

"If it's weird, you know it's probably Wilson's." - Matt Cain

by EliminateMe on Nov 2, 2011 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Never heard of it.

I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com

by troymccluresf on Nov 2, 2011 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s the part you were born to play, baby!

Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
Please follow my Twitter

by Murray, Present on Nov 2, 2011 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Follow me to the Springfield Aquarium.

by wcw on Nov 2, 2011 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s the acapellic grandeur.

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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 2, 2011 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess I’ve had just about enough of that genre to last me a lifetime.

by wcw on Nov 2, 2011 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Barbershop quartets were cool when your parents were young, and they’re still cool today!

2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 2, 2011 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I actually love barbershop quartets. I don’t think that one worked, though.

by wcw on Nov 2, 2011 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

CANYONERO!

Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner

by natteringnabob on Nov 2, 2011 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

She’s a squirrel crushing, deer smacking, driving machine!

Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.

TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Nov 2, 2011 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

12 yards long, 2 lanes wide,
65 tons of American Pride!

Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner

by natteringnabob on Nov 2, 2011 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

are you good with grammar and spelling / editing?

I hear there is an opening at SBN….

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw

by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, no. I’m sorry, Natto.

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

Mayor of Smug.

by rotorueter on Nov 2, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

i'm sorry :(

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.

by jponry on Nov 2, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Very sorry to hear this.

Where have you gone John Johnstone?

by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 2, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh no!

@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.

by kdl on Nov 2, 2011 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aw man

Sorry.

Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
Please follow my Twitter

by Murray, Present on Nov 2, 2011 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am so sorry.

I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.

by TheLetter2 on Nov 2, 2011 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry, man.

I hereby double your moderator stipend.

by Grant Brisbee on Nov 2, 2011 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

LET HIM EAT CAKE

Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.

by speckops on Nov 3, 2011 6:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Poop.

Once more, coming to you by proxy.

by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2011 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry dude

I think you should join the protest.

But not in Oakland.

Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.

by ResDog on Nov 3, 2011 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Grant is the 1%.

Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.

by speckops on Nov 3, 2011 7:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Balls.

Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.

by speckops on Nov 3, 2011 7:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sh*t that's f*ck

Sorry to hear the bad news

So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.

by Goofus on Nov 3, 2011 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

That sucks.

Perhaps I am in need of some new Nattowear…

Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan

by jhiat00 on Nov 3, 2011 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

He finally mastered slowing down time.

Once more, coming to you by proxy.

by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2011 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

It’s called “football”.
OOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH

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by Natto on Nov 2, 2011 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

/throws red flag.

Once more, coming to you by proxy.

by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2011 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

/calls down from the booth for a review.

Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.

TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Nov 3, 2011 6:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh no, that doesn’t sound good.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Nov 2, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not another one.
Sorry to hear that, hopefully you get a decent severance or something.

Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.

TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Nov 2, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, sorry to hear about it. Maybe you should apply for the SBN opening.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Nov 2, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

You’ll be in competition with my husband, who just emailed me that he sent them an application.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Nov 2, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

sorry, man

be sure to put the brick on your resume; that took some skill to pull that together with this bunch.

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by son of ggf on Nov 2, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Damn. Sorry to hear that.

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by can of corn on Nov 2, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

That really sucks

Draw some cartoons of your boss masturbating furiously beneath an ipad and post them all over the office.

The first six innings are overrated.

by apistat on Nov 2, 2011 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

i agree

MOON LANDING? BEAR GRYLLS!

by Anonymous1337 on Nov 2, 2011 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is that bandwidth-exceeded needle supposed to represent the penis?

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

Mayor of Smug.

by rotorueter on Nov 2, 2011 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

The red is the iPad.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Next step to world domination:

If you can just get Angelina Jolie to show up at a movie premiere wearing an article of Nattowear, you’ll be set for life!

Which reminds me, I need to buy a new Aces shirt…Zito melted in the drier and smeared all over Timmy.

"If it's weird, you know it's probably Wilson's." - Matt Cain

by EliminateMe on Nov 2, 2011 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

ew

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"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.

by ResDog on Nov 3, 2011 7:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

sorry nat

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"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

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by natteringnabob on Nov 2, 2011 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

sorry mate

Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Nov 2, 2011 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry to hear, buddy.

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
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by scout6 on Nov 2, 2011 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is never good news, but especially terrible right before the holidays. Good luck.

by nataku on Nov 2, 2011 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Use it to make Art.

One way or another, this darkness got to give.

by bgunn on Nov 3, 2011 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Happy Belated Halloween

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 2, 2011 5:47 PM PDT reply actions  

It looks like the lady in the red jacket is actually running to try and get out of the picture

by Turf_Toe_ on Nov 2, 2011 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

sup nerbz

this tax season at work stuff can go fuck itself up, down & sideways

what’d i miss?

My boy's got CLOSER MENTALITY!

Pithy.

by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 2, 2011 6:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Delicious candy.

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by Natto on Nov 2, 2011 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ugh. Taxes. I have to pay those this year.

by WhatsAMataHari on Nov 2, 2011 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol adults

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol people making more than $9000 in annual income

Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.

by shanghaijim on Nov 2, 2011 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.

by shanghaijim on Nov 2, 2011 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.

by shanghaijim on Nov 2, 2011 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

ACK TIE FIGHTERS

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by Natto on Nov 2, 2011 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tie Interceptor (for real this time)

by WhatsAMataHari on Nov 2, 2011 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tie Interceptor? {o}

Close enough and SBN doesn’t ignore it!

by WhatsAMataHari on Nov 2, 2011 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

gimme an E!

gimme an I!
gimme a C!

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"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner

by natteringnabob on Nov 2, 2011 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

that means you’re makin’ money

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by son of ggf on Nov 2, 2011 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just discovered this. It’s scary.

by wcw on Nov 2, 2011 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Getting a bad feeling about Oak tonight. Things are not adding up. The Police must be using vastly different tactics.

by Turf_Toe_ on Nov 2, 2011 6:17 PM PDT reply actions  

BURN IT TO THE GROUND

who’ll miss it anyway

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by shanghaijim on Nov 2, 2011 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

or as Jon Stewart said

they should go to the Colosseum… plenty of space available with the A’s missing the playoffs again this year!

Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner

by natteringnabob on Nov 2, 2011 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is what A’s fans think all Giants fans feel about Oakland.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Apparently it’s a major port

Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.

by shanghaijim on Nov 2, 2011 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I always found that really weird because San Francisco is such an obviously perfect place to have a port and yet nobody uses that port anymore.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gentrification!!!

Actually, I wonder why the port of SF is almost purely occasional/recreational these days.

Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.

by shanghaijim on Nov 2, 2011 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

The rise of the container ships in the 1950/60s. Container ships are really convenient for shipping but require the use of large cranes, which requires a great deal of land. SF was already too built up around the port to accommodate these large cranes, unlike Oakland.

by WhatsAMataHari on Nov 2, 2011 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also they would make the bay shore really ugly.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s because the rail line to the East Bay is much more direct. Why unload in SF and have to go around the bay when you can unload in Oakland and go directly east?

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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 2, 2011 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you both

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by shanghaijim on Nov 2, 2011 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

From wikipedia so you know it must be true
The advent of containerization in the 1960s effectively sounded the death knell for the Port of San Francisco as a major marine terminal, as it had no room to expand to build a large new container handling facility like the Seventh Street Terminal at the Port of Oakland. A few piers added container handling equipment, but heavy traffic congestion in the area and poor rail access have long militated against the large-scale development of the container trade at the port. With limited ability to expand physically as a result of environmentalist opposition to further reclamation and the soaring cost of real estate in San Francisco, the Port of San Francisco has instead become a niche player, specializing in break bulk and dry bulk cargo, ship repair, and ferry services.

by WhatsAMataHari on Nov 2, 2011 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s all about the container ships.

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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 2, 2011 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

and once again

all you need to know you can learn from The Wire.

Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner

by natteringnabob on Nov 2, 2011 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d never thought of that. That makes sense.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

you will

if you ever try to take Amtrak from SF.

Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner

by natteringnabob on Nov 2, 2011 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

/drives to Emeryville to hop on the Starlight Express

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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 3, 2011 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oakland port is being occupied
Protesters have effectively shut down maritime operations at the port, Director Omar Benjamin said Wednesday, as more than 4,500 people arrived at the gates.

http://www.mercurynews.com/top-stories/ci_19246904

I haven’t really been following this that much but I watched a little of News Hour on PBS and they were showing some film from earlier today. This longshoreman representative claimed to the crowd of protesters who were on their way to the port that most workers were in solidarity with them and that they were striking. It seemed to be an attempt to prevent the strikers from stopping work as PBS said they contacted the port and had been told there wasn’t any striking or anything going on.

by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 2, 2011 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is supposed to be a tribute to the 1934 Waterfront Strike during the Great Depression. Hopefully no one will die during this one though

by WhatsAMataHari on Nov 2, 2011 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

The 1934 General Strike

One of San Francisco’s finest, if strangest, hours.

by wcw on Nov 2, 2011 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Those were scary times in America. The country almost didn’t make it through it. WWII brought the economy back to life.

by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 2, 2011 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Times sucked, yes. Too bad FDR didn’t have the courage to spend when it wasn’t for war.

by wcw on Nov 2, 2011 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, going after FDR for not spending enough. Is that like hipster political history?

by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 2, 2011 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe he should have started WWII early, those exploding assets are great for GDP.

Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner

by natteringnabob on Nov 2, 2011 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

the Depression killed the GOP for decades

but in general, yes, war plays into the acculturated view of right-wing parties

by wcw on Nov 2, 2011 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Herbert Hoover was literally a humanitarian!

by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 2, 2011 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

nice misread

Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner

by natteringnabob on Nov 3, 2011 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like this a lot.

by shankbone on Nov 2, 2011 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

To be fair

A lot of Giants fan an SFcans do feel that way.

I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com

by troymccluresf on Nov 2, 2011 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

They tried in 1906, and someone…

Nah. Already used this joke.

I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.

by TheLetter2 on Nov 2, 2011 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

someone stole my gophone minutes

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by son of ggf on Nov 2, 2011 6:21 PM PDT reply actions  

and I suspect AT&T

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by son of ggf on Nov 2, 2011 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

now they are telling me to call the “Charge Back Dept” which is closed. However, their hours are 6a-6p, but the timezone is undisclosed. sure, why not.

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by son of ggf on Nov 2, 2011 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s always Central Time Zone, cuz no one know about that zone

by Turf_Toe_ on Nov 2, 2011 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nah, Mountain Time is the undisclosed time zone.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought Mountain time went away due to lack of interest.

by Turf_Toe_ on Nov 2, 2011 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

so i twisted my ankle on a crack in the pavement at ocean beach today

Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.

by shanghaijim on Nov 2, 2011 6:22 PM PDT reply actions  

ouch.

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by son of ggf on Nov 2, 2011 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is this a metaphor?

Once more, coming to you by proxy.

by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2011 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tonight on Nova-- The Fabric of the Cosmos: What Is Space?

Physicist Lars the Wanderer hosts “The Fabric of the Cosmos,” a four-part series about space, time and the universe. Part 1, “What Is Space?,” explains that space isn’t the void it’s often portrayed to be, but a dynamic tapestry that’s manipulated by gravity. Included: dark energy, which accounts for 70 percent of the universe; a black hole-inspired theory that space is a hologram-like projection of a deeper two-dimensional reality.

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by son of ggf on Nov 2, 2011 6:25 PM PDT reply actions  

I missed it because I was hanging out with Harvard Forester. Damn it.

I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.

by TheLetter2 on Nov 2, 2011 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Soo…..how was the second date?

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Nov 2, 2011 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sounds like you’re trying to be Chuck Woolery from the Love Connection.

Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Nov 2, 2011 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wasn’t sure the first one was a date. I like to take things cautiously. But at any rate, I had a good time, though I think he’s more interested in me at this point than I am in him.

I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.

by TheLetter2 on Nov 3, 2011 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Friend Zoned!

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 3, 2011 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

That’s where we’re supposed to be, anyway. I hate ambiguity.

I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.

by TheLetter2 on Nov 3, 2011 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

DTR

Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.

by speckops on Nov 3, 2011 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nothing wrong with having the early upper hand.

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by ResDog on Nov 3, 2011 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

That show would be one hour of me grabbing my crotch.

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 3, 2011 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

MLB Network is doing the top 40 finishes of 2011. Giants appeared three times (from what I saw). 2 were positive (one in LA and one in SD). One was negative (Atlanta). Brian Wilson appeared in all three.

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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Nov 2, 2011 6:39 PM PDT reply actions  

That Atlanta game broke me (and perhaps the team)

I was on vacation in Florida and had so many people call me to bitch about that game immediately after its conclusion.

by WhatsAMataHari on Nov 2, 2011 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

What were the SD and LA ones? LA I’m guessing is Nate’s catch?

by mameluke on Nov 2, 2011 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

The SD one was on a Sunday. The Padres had the camo on.

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by SFGuy on Nov 2, 2011 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Top 3 were

Number 1, Game 6, 2011 World Series
Number 2, Yankees- Rays, game 162
Number 3, Red Sox-Orioles, game 162

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by SFGuy on Nov 2, 2011 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Normally I would be upset that two of the top three involved the Yankees or Red Sox, but no, that’s fair. My favorite memory of Game 162 is from after the game, when the camera panned over the crowd of fans that had descended to the seats right above the dugout. Amidst the throng of revelers in whatever colors the Rays wear, there was one dude bedecked in full Yankees regalia who was just chilling with the Rays fans.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Giants drove in the winning run on a suicide squeeze, because at the time they were just pulling wins out of their asses.

by jhawx on Nov 2, 2011 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

It later became butt pee.

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by SFGuy on Nov 2, 2011 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

No outrage for Pablo not winning the Silver Slugger Award for 3rd base?

Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Nov 2, 2011 7:00 PM PDT reply actions  

too tired to rage.

Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.

TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Nov 2, 2011 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do I have to leave my computer?

by Turf_Toe_ on Nov 2, 2011 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

wait really

wtf

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now we won’t even have that to remember Pablo by when he’s out for most of next season after shoulder surgery.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aramis Ramirez won it.

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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Nov 2, 2011 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

He wouldn’t have won if he played on the West Coast.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ramirez declined his option, which I thought was weird

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by son of ggf on Nov 2, 2011 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just like Gold Glove

I think the voters thought that Pablo didn’t play enough games to get it.

by jhawx on Nov 2, 2011 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Slightly OT:

Canseco to fight Dykstra

Celebrity fights are lame.

"Canseco ruined my career by spreading lies. I called Tareq and begged him to let me take his place in the upcoming fight against Canseco," said Dykstra in a statement.

Oh please.

I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]

I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"

by can of corn on Nov 2, 2011 7:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Among the other "celebrities" set to battle on the card: Coolio, Octomom, Joey Buttafuco, Amy Fisher and Kato Kaelin (who will face Salahi).

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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Nov 2, 2011 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bunch of attention whores.

I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]

I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"

by can of corn on Nov 2, 2011 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who is Salahi?

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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Nov 2, 2011 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

White House crasher.

I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]

I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"

by can of corn on Nov 2, 2011 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ran off with a rock star later on.

Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.

by shanghaijim on Nov 2, 2011 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was the wife (also an attention whore).

I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]

I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"

by can of corn on Nov 2, 2011 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s putting it nicely.
How’s the kiddo with the boo-boo?

Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.

TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Nov 2, 2011 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

She’s doing great – we’re down to 5 band-aids (from 10 on Sunday, including 5 on just one hand). All her parts are working, even if some of the most messed-up parts are still weeping a bit (she’s worried she might run out of white blood cells).

I did have to run out to Target today to replenish my band-aid supplies, especially the big ones. She’s been using them up pretty quick.

Like I say – she’s a gamer!

I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]

I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"

by can of corn on Nov 2, 2011 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Definitely.

Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.

TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Nov 2, 2011 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why would anyone care about these people any more? Although…

Come along and ride on a….
SLIDE SLIDE SLIPPITY SLIDE
I do what I do just to survive
Come along and ride on a….
SLIDE SLIDE WHO-RIDE
That’s why I pack my 45!

Sorry, had a moment

Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.

by ResDog on Nov 3, 2011 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Late add to the card

Goofus vs. Howie

So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.

by Goofus on Nov 3, 2011 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Shouldn’t he be in jail or something?

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’s 1%

Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.

by shanghaijim on Nov 2, 2011 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Only if he sold pot.

by Turf_Toe_ on Nov 2, 2011 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

ugh i’m freaking out for no reason

Okay actually I’m gassy

But that makes me fixate on my heartbeat and now it’s going up

I can’t believe I can walk a mile and a half on a busted ankle and be perfectly calm but I sit down to digest food and I give myself an anxiety attack

need to burp

Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.

by shanghaijim on Nov 2, 2011 7:06 PM PDT reply actions  

/mans the newsroom for further developments

I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.

by TheLetter2 on Nov 2, 2011 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

/misleads the public

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

In the time it took you to type that, I won an award.

I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.

by TheLetter2 on Nov 2, 2011 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

/pats TL2 on the back

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Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller

by Johnny Disaster on Nov 2, 2011 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, no.

You’re burping the wrong person.

11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi

by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 3, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who gave it to you?

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh my…

Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.

TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Nov 2, 2011 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let’s just say I got an honorary doctorate from Harvard.

I’m kidding. I just wanted to use that line.

I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.

by TheLetter2 on Nov 2, 2011 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

OMG

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by shanghaijim on Nov 2, 2011 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was joking!

I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.

by TheLetter2 on Nov 2, 2011 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

You just dropped the H-bomb!

by WhatsAMataHari on Nov 2, 2011 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

okay i burped a little

DISTRACT ME

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by shanghaijim on Nov 2, 2011 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Drink a glass of sugar water while standing on your head!

by Turf_Toe_ on Nov 2, 2011 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uh — okay, here’s one. I filed a piece for the NPR Newscast unit today, and they didn’t use it. Wait, that’s not funny.

I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.

by TheLetter2 on Nov 2, 2011 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

BURRRRRP

thank you

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by shanghaijim on Nov 2, 2011 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

In today's installment of "Other teams' blogs talk about us", we have Purple Row
I just hope A Mart doesn’t get arrested. I’d hate to see him traded to another blog….

Well, maybe McC, if we could get Grant back in the deal…. :=)
Grant is pretty damn funny

and would make a great addition to the Row. However I don’t want to really trade anyone for him. Perhaps we can get him as a free agent

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 7:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Grant don’t care no more
He’s above team loyalties, he merely surveys the sport from the right hand of Neyer

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by shanghaijim on Nov 2, 2011 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is all one big Kutcher Punk’d.

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

Mayor of Smug.

by rotorueter on Nov 2, 2011 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Google borks first Gmail iPhone attempt

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by shanghaijim on Nov 2, 2011 7:34 PM PDT reply actions  

I am still impressed that Bork has become a verb in common parlance.

by WhatsAMataHari on Nov 2, 2011 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep, that’s the reason I linked it.

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by shanghaijim on Nov 2, 2011 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I believe it predates the Bochy/bork equivalence. I certainly used it before.

by wcw on Nov 2, 2011 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

It refers to Robert Bork, American Legal scholar and failed Supreme Court nominee

by WhatsAMataHari on Nov 2, 2011 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I believe the etymology goes back to the Swedish Chef

At the very least. Perhaps before, but I am not old enough to say.

by wcw on Nov 2, 2011 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

The quote (that we usually use) of someone just saying “bork, bork, bork” (gibberish) is from The Swedish Chef.

The use of bork as a verb is from Robert Bork.

by WhatsAMataHari on Nov 2, 2011 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree

I certainly heard it used before then. I always felt its use as a verb was impelled by the huge popularity of the Muppet Show and informed by a dyslexic backformation from ‘broke’. You borked it, you bought it.

by wcw on Nov 2, 2011 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay. The dictionary definition (non-Urban Dictionary that is) only refers to the definition/etymology of bork in the sense of Robert Bork.

Other than here that is the only way I have ever heard it, but clearly I have missed some colloquialisms

by WhatsAMataHari on Nov 2, 2011 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

there is definitely a Robert Bork version of the word

It is always used in terms of political humiliation. The Bochy/bork version is not.

by wcw on Nov 2, 2011 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s in Urban Dictionary so it’s been a word floating around for awhile. Still a pretty word word and something that could easily have another listing on what it means when McC takes over the word.

And WhatsAMatHarii….it means a screw up or mistake too (which I just discovered online), although that’s one of it’s uses. It means the same thing as “Brita’d”

by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 2, 2011 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bork as verb

According to columnist William Safire, the first published use of bork as a verb was “possibly” The Atlanta Journal-Constitution of August 20, 1987. Safire defines to bork by reference “to the way Democrats savaged Ronald Reagan’s nominee, the Appeals Court judge Robert H. Bork, the year before.”23 Perhaps the best known use of the verb to bork occurred in July 1991 at a conference of the National Organization for Women in New York City. Feminist Florynce Kennedy addressed the conference on the importance of defeating the nomination of Clarence Thomas to the U.S. Supreme Court. She said, “We’re going to bork him. We’re going to kill him politically … This little creep, where did he come from?”24 Thomas was subsequently confirmed after one of the most divisive confirmation hearings in Supreme Court history.

In March 2002, the Oxford English Dictionary added an entry for the verb Bork as U.S. political slang, with this definition: “To defame or vilify (a person) systematically, esp. in the mass media, usually with the aim of preventing his or her appointment to public office; to obstruct or thwart something or someone.”

by WhatsAMataHari on Nov 2, 2011 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

From something William Safire would hate with anger and disgust, the Urban dictionary

borked
To have totally fucked something up. Usually by doing something stupid. Specifically used to describe technology that is broken.

Etymology: Combine one part “broken” and one part Swedish Chef and you get “borked.”

by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 2, 2011 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

dingdingding

Which is to say, fuck Safire and his Nixonian discontents.

by wcw on Nov 2, 2011 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like Safire would even be aware of the Swedish Chef.

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Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller

by Johnny Disaster on Nov 3, 2011 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Either there is something flying around in here or the cat got into some of the neighbors drugs.

Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.

TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Nov 2, 2011 7:42 PM PDT reply actions  

when it comes to the offense they overspend on mediocre players, instead of paying fair dollar for a true star.

Rowand, Huff, and Derosa cost the giants 27 million last year, not to mention Zito’s lost productivity.Imagine one good player instead of 1 crappy player, one injured player, and one underachieving player.

by bradleybear on Nov 2, 2011 7:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Zito’s

I think Zito is going to cut he’s pay in half so the giants can get some players in here!

by jesse mays on Nov 2, 2011 8:15 PM PDT reply actions  

he could buy his way onto the team

proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.

by son of ggf on Nov 2, 2011 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

2012 prediction(assuming they don't sign any of the top free agents, including Beltran)

The pessimistic mouths will be shut by the markedly improved lineup. Although, the Giants will still fall short of making the playoffs again.

Mediocrity is the Giants way. It’s very important that they re-sign the players from the championship team because that’s the money maker, absent a winner. So they’ll magically have the money to spend on Timmy and Cain, but not on top hitters. What would have happened had they not won the series in 2010? Did they have a plan to try and do so? I’m sure it included signing or trading for quality hitters to complement the pitching.

I regularly started watching games in 2009, and I think 2012 is when I might start finding something better to do with my free time. I could DVR the games and fast forward through them. That would allow me to claim to you people that I actually watched them and therefore be in a position to comment on various things that occurred in them(Note: I have done this before LOL)

At least we got a championship out of it, right? That’s more than other fans can say(LOL Cubs).

by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 2, 2011 8:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Markedly improved lineup?

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Relatively speaking

From the depressed levels of 2011. I think fans will be surprised with the improved production. It wont necessarily be something to harp on at seasons end like this year.

But I believe the Giants will still fall short.

by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 2, 2011 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

You started watching in 2009 and are giving up for more free time.

Great work.

by shankbone on Nov 2, 2011 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oops

I meant to write, “started regularly watching games again.”

Baseball has always been my favorite sport. I’m no bandwagon fan, but I know a loser when I see one. 2009 indicated potential to me. I stuck with that team even though they didn’t have the offense and were doomed to fail. 2010 tried my patience, but I believed. My belief was rewarded in the end. Before 2010, 1997 was my favorite season.

by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 2, 2011 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I felt really fucking stupid when DeRosa and Huff were the Giants big off season pickups in 2009. I wanted them to sign Matt Holliday badly.

by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 2, 2011 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just got a hate mail
Maybe you people need to check how underrated Ethier is on defense. They got this one right complan about sandoval.

I think whoever wrote this missed my quote right under “seriously andre ethier?” about Ethier having the best UZR number of the three finalists.

For the record — Yes, Ethier was better than Bruce and Beltran this year. The fact that those three were the finalists tells you how absolutely craptastic the system is. Because being the best of those three is like saying you are better than Burriss and Crawford at hitting. No fucking shit.

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw

by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 9:13 PM PDT reply actions  

i think i just got an email from the same person

hahaha

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.

by jponry on Nov 2, 2011 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

underrated on defense

because he had a positive UZR for the first time in 4 years ok

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.

by jponry on Nov 2, 2011 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Please sign that dude up for 4/64 or 5/80 for that sweet golden baby Agent Ned. Hamstring those fools.

by shankbone on Nov 2, 2011 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like I even wrote Ethier had the best uzr between the 3 candidates

http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2011/11/1/2530817/the-giants-and-the-gold-gloves#81820624

This person cannot read. At all.

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw

by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I want an email. :(

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by Natto on Nov 2, 2011 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

It doesn't even mean he was better than Bruce and Beltran this year

Single-season UZR isn’t precise enough to tell us that.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

How dare you, sir! Andre Ethier is a far better outfielder than that crock pot full of congealed cheese!

Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Nov 2, 2011 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like cheese.

by wcw on Nov 2, 2011 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I had a cheeseburger for dinner tonight. The cheese was bleu.

Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Nov 2, 2011 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did you try to cheer it up?

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter

by scout6 on Nov 2, 2011 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL Giants fan burger

Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner

by natteringnabob on Nov 3, 2011 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Let us know how it goes in the morning

by Turf_Toe_ on Nov 3, 2011 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

COMPLAN!

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 3, 2011 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know I’m not the best speller, but I know what that wiggly red line means!

Kickham where it hurts

by say hey nation on Nov 3, 2011 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmmm

http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2011/11/2/2534416/a-quick-concern-regarding-grady-sizemore

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter

by scout6 on Nov 2, 2011 9:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Good. This means I won’t have to read Grant’s article when he eventually posts it.

by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 2, 2011 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

my concern would be he sucks now

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.

by jponry on Nov 2, 2011 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's what he is saying in a roundabout way I think.

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter

by scout6 on Nov 2, 2011 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sizemore will be the new DeRosa if he was signed

by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 2, 2011 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

TEACUP

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by shanghaijim on Nov 2, 2011 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

So Sizemore gets a 2 year deal by the Giants?

Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Nov 2, 2011 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

You know how they can stop these protests in Oakland?

Declare a #occupycoliseum. The crowd will be gone.

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw

by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 9:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Just tell them all:

“Fine, Oakland is yours.”

Then have everyone else leave.

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter

by scout6 on Nov 2, 2011 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

At least it brings people downtown!

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by shanghaijim on Nov 2, 2011 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

funny thing, I love Oakland

I mean, I love the city, too, but Oakland is a fine town.

by wcw on Nov 2, 2011 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m with ya.

I always want to educate people on how awesome it actually is, but then again, it’s nice being able to find a barstool at 10 on a Friday in Oakland, too.

I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Nov 2, 2011 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

you're right

There are always a few strewn along Mandela Blvd!

Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner

by natteringnabob on Nov 3, 2011 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s a town, unlike San Jose, which is just sprawl.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Keith Law rated Wei-Yin Chen as the #19 best free agent

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove11/story/_/page/KeithLawTopFreeAgents-No.11-30/edwin-jackson-ryan-madson-michael-cuddyer-keith-law-second-tier-top-free-agents

(insider only)

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw

by jctGamer on Nov 2, 2011 10:01 PM PDT reply actions  

That picture of Wei-Ying Chen is marvelous.

I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]

I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"

by can of corn on Nov 2, 2011 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Darvish as the #3 FA

Interesting.

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 3, 2011 6:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also, Law really doesn't like CJ

All the way down at #8.

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 3, 2011 6:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Daily Show would call you,

.

jctGamer
Senior Asian Ballplayer-obsessed Correspondant

So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.

by Goofus on Nov 3, 2011 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

You know it's what you really want, Lew
Blocked from building a ballpark in San Jose, A’s owner Lew Wolff could be injected into a bidding group. Boston Red Sox chairman Tom Werner — a former San Diego Padres owner — lives in southern California. Milwaukee owner Mark Attanasio also is from California.

“I’m very interested in having the sale occur for everybody involved,” said Wolff, a successful L.A. real estate developer. “As far as my interest in purchasing the Dodgers, I don’t have any. I’m interested in getting a new venue for the A’s.”

But would Selig, Wolff’s fraternity brother at Wisconsin, ask Wolff to join a bidder?

“That would be absurd,” Wolff said. “The Dodgers are going to go to an auction, and the highest bidder hopefully will revitalize the franchise.”

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by shanghaijim on Nov 2, 2011 10:02 PM PDT reply actions  

LA Dodgers is worth a fortune

I am reading this as the article believe the A’s owner would also be a Dodger owner? Does anyone at all own parts of 2 teams in the same sport in this country?

by Myemail21479 on Nov 2, 2011 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

He would have to sell the A's first

Cleveland and St. Louis had the same owner in the late 1890s, but it’s been illegal since then.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Centerfielder

Putting aside all the the Coco Crisp talk, who will Sabean go after? We know that Torres is not the man for the job, according to everyone in the know it seems. Grady Sizemore’s name has been thrown around, but there’s too many questions about his health and abilities.

Urban mentioned B.J. Upton in his chat. The idea interests me, but I think that’s exactly why Urb’s mentioned it and not because he thinks it’s a possibility.

Upton, the subject of trade rumors during the season, reiterated his preference to remain a part of the Rays core. He is in line to make about $7 million through arbitration in his final season before free agency.

“I’m hoping I’m back,” he said. “That’s out of my hands, I’ve got nothing to do with that. But I’ve grown up with a lot of these guys, and the guys we’ve acquired, I enjoy being around them. So hopefully next February I’m still in a Rays uniform.”

Who would the Giants be willing to trade for him that the Rays want/need? Why would the Rays not just hold onto him until he becomes a free agent?

I’m really starting to wonder what Sabean will do. I just know that he’ll surprise us. No way Coco is who he gets. Knowledgeable fans will just laugh about how pathetic and predictable a move it is. Don’t say Rick Ankiel, because that wont address the lead off hole.

by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 2, 2011 10:12 PM PDT reply actions  

I do not want Sabean even talking to the Rays front office. They would take him to the cleaners.

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter

by scout6 on Nov 2, 2011 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe we can get Upton in a trade for fans? Just offer several thousand elderly people in the area who were either NY Giants or SF Giants fans season tickets and there goes much of the Rays’ problems

by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 2, 2011 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL Cody Ross?

Sabean surprises us with the most obvious choice. Still not a lead off hitter, but it didn’t stop Bochy from writing him into that spot in the lineup.

by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 2, 2011 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think last year should just be written off as a bad dream, like it was the Bobby Ewing Dying of seasons. Ross led off in part because he wasn’t hitting, nobody in that spot was hitting, and so Bochy thought it made some sense for some reason only Bochy knew of. The thing is that without all the injuries and regressions, that would never happened. It was more Bochy Paint Throwing than actual strategy, him just throwing up his hands and saying “why not?”

by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 2, 2011 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of course. I was just kidding. Although, you never really know how the things will play out.

by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 2, 2011 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Rick Ankiel were center fielder, that would address the leadoff hole because center fielders bat leadoff.

This would be funny if this were a joke, but it’s not. I don’t have the exact number right now, but the center fielder batted leadoff over 140 times last season. Bruce Bochy constructs his lineup based on position.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

At least we don’t have to hear: “Leading off and playing center field, number 33, AAAAARRONNN RRRROOOOWWWWAANNNNDDDD!!!!!” anymore.

Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Nov 2, 2011 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sanchez for Upton I would be on board with

If Sanchez value was that high to the Rays. The money would be similar, and the time left is equal. We would trade 5th starter for a need.

I don’t think the Rays would go for that, but that is what I would guess for Upton.

by Myemail21479 on Nov 2, 2011 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I read that as
And keep Upton if offered ass.

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by Natto on Nov 2, 2011 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Depends on who’s ass.

Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"

by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 3, 2011 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Torres is the man for the job.

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 3, 2011 6:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

rec'd

Joe Nobody’s agent is on line 2!

Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner

by natteringnabob on Nov 3, 2011 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dodgers questions, answers

http://www.whittierdailynews.com/news/ci_19252469

The fear I have is that the Dodgers will be in play for top free agents this off season. Is this a legitimate concern? The article says no.

They have the potential to be very good if they can just add some more pieces by way of free agency. They underperformed last season and really started to get their act together at the end.

by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 2, 2011 10:45 PM PDT reply actions  

In fact, I predict the Dodgers win the division next season. Call me crazy, I don’t care. Even with Don “two-trips” Mattingly as their manager. They have the potential, they just need to take off like the D-Backs in 2011.

by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 2, 2011 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

.607 WP in August
.654 WP in September

They’ll make sure Lincecum loses every game he pitches against them when it matters the most.

Rockies will be good too. They really underperformed last season.

Nothing needs to be said about the D-Backs.

This will be fun!

by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 2, 2011 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nah, the Rockies won’t be good. They don’t have good players.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Nov 2, 2011 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

You’re probably right.

/steps away from the edge of the cliff a little

by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 2, 2011 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am not crazy worried about a team with MVP and CY young winner

Who could not field a winner. They need Kemp and Kershaw to do the same, and more guys to step up. If either of those regress just a slight bit, then another needs to step up that much.

Time will tell. Dodgers are dangerous in a 3 game set, but hardly for division, at least until ownership changes and they retool that sucker.

by Myemail21479 on Nov 2, 2011 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Merkin in the news

here

proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.

by son of ggf on Nov 2, 2011 10:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Good Morning! Up again to watch our boys take on Taiwan

Panda at 1B today

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw

by jctGamer on Nov 3, 2011 3:37 AM PDT reply actions  

Torres in LF and batting 9th

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw

by jctGamer on Nov 3, 2011 3:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, Panda :(

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw

by jctGamer on Nov 3, 2011 4:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Finally watched the Baer thing last night. I don’t see why everyone was so upset. He was specifically asked about Beltran, and he certainly sounded like they want him. I wasn’t expecting Pujols or Fielder anyway, and he talked about how the championship seems so long ago, and they want to get back there. He also promised an exciting off season for the team. I know words are cheap, but he didn’t sound like a man who will be sitting on his wallet this winter.

Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.

by rxmeister on Nov 3, 2011 5:26 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

I don’t see why everyone was so upset.

What are you? New here?

Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.

TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Nov 3, 2011 6:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

ESPN loses another really good reporter

Well done Grant!

awfulannouncing Awful Announcing
Very interesting – @AmyKNelson moving from ESPN to SBNation. Congrats to both. Another big pickup for the blogosphere.

Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"

by DFARowand on Nov 3, 2011 7:14 AM PDT reply actions  

All things considering, I’m surprised Erin Andrews hasn’t left for SBNation yet.

by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 3, 2011 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why go from iPad masturbation to wild propelloring?

Also, it makes a lot more sense for writers (Nelson) to move to SBN than it does for TV personalities. Unless Grant’s gonna start a video podcast in his basement.

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 3, 2011 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

RIP Matty Alou.

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 3, 2011 7:28 AM PDT reply actions  

RIP

And man was he a singles hitter. Career line of 307/345/381

Kickham where it hurts

by say hey nation on Nov 3, 2011 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

He has the distinction

Of posting the third best offensive season in baseball history… by a guy who hit no home runs in that season. In 1968, he hit .332/.362/.396 with no home runs.

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 3, 2011 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

What are 1 and 2?

Once more, coming to you by proxy.

by howtheyscored on Nov 3, 2011 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Willie Randolph's 1991

Where he hit .327/.424/.374 with no homers, and Miguel Dilone’s 1980, where he hit .341/.375/.432 with no homers, but also 61 stolen bases.

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 3, 2011 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

List I stole this info from here:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-best-of-the-no-homers-club/

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 3, 2011 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

But that’s the no homerS club. They can have one.

Once more, coming to you by proxy.

by howtheyscored on Nov 3, 2011 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

3 Alou’s in the same outfield at once club

by Turf_Toe_ on Nov 3, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

1963

Felipe, Jesus, Matty

by Turf_Toe_ on Nov 3, 2011 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

.

Once more, coming to you by proxy.

by howtheyscored on Nov 3, 2011 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

.

Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.

by ResDog on Nov 3, 2011 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

.

2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller

by Johnny Disaster on Nov 3, 2011 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

RAINPOCALYPSE 2011

I think I see a cloud towards Mt. Diablo

Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner

by natteringnabob on Nov 3, 2011 7:28 AM PDT reply actions  

YOU BASTARD. UNSEE THIS IMMEDIATELY.

2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller

by Johnny Disaster on Nov 3, 2011 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’d post today’s weather map, but I’m afraid that as soon as I do, a new thread will go up.

I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.

by TheLetter2 on Nov 3, 2011 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's inevitable
HardballTalk Hardball Talk
Free agent Coco Crisp wants to stay on the West Coast http://dlvr.it/tVbR1 #mlb #hbt

Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"

by DFARowand on Nov 3, 2011 7:30 AM PDT reply actions  

estimated time of signing

9:01PM last night

Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner

by natteringnabob on Nov 3, 2011 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

As long as we forfeit that pesky 1st round draft pick, I am cool with this.

Kickham where it hurts

by say hey nation on Nov 3, 2011 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

So instead of the possibly re-signing with the A’s the agent suggested that the Giants would be a good fit for Crisp, who led the league with 49 stolen bases but hit just .264 with eight homers and a .693 OPS that’s his worst mark since 2003.

Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"

by DFARowand on Nov 3, 2011 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

and thus the agent’s claim he’d be a “good fit”

by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 3, 2011 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

That agent knows his shit.

by Evan on Nov 3, 2011 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

The hell with it. Here's today's weather.

A couple of low pressure areas and a looooooong frontal system are pushing east today, bringing rain and cooler weather to the eastern half of the nation. Moderate to heavy rain is expected today in the mid-Mississippi Valley, the Ohio Valley and parts of the Deep South. The low is moving east and will spread showers into the Carolinas and Virginia by late tonight. Light rain is expected in upstate New York, Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine.

Skies are clearing rapidly behind that frontal system. In the upper Midwest today, fair skies and seasonable temperatures. Temperatures this afternoon will be running five to fifteen degrees below normal for much of the southern Plains. That includes areas from Kansas City down to Brownsville, Texas.

Chilly in the Rockies today. Clear skies from the Canadian border down to Arizona and New Mexico.

The Pacific Coast will see storms and gray skies today. Snow – heavy snow in some locations – will fall in Idaho, Washington and Oregon. As much as six inches of snow expected in the Sierras of California and Nevada. Very windy in the interior of Nevada today. Otherwise, rain along the coast as far south as Monterey. Southern California looks dry and warm.

The key.

I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.

by TheLetter2 on Nov 3, 2011 8:55 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I don't think I've had a madbum before

No Francouers!

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 3, 2011 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m changing him to warmer weather.

I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.

by TheLetter2 on Nov 3, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I still demand a crazy-eyes version

And I think you should incorporate Doumits for something. Those eyes.

But then again, things can get too complex.

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!

by GiantPain on Nov 3, 2011 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe Sammy Sosa will be a good compromise?

by Turf_Toe_ on Nov 3, 2011 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yay Buster's back!

But I think I’m getting CJ Wilson’ed tonight.

Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.

by ResDog on Nov 3, 2011 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

If it starts raining on me today, I’m probably going to extend my arms to the sky and scream “BERRKMAAAANNNNNNNNN!”

My boy's got CLOSER MENTALITY!

Pithy.

by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 3, 2011 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Partly Zito over Fresno

coincidence? I think/hope not.

Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner

by natteringnabob on Nov 3, 2011 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

'Sup doods.

Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan

by jhiat00 on Nov 3, 2011 9:02 AM PDT reply actions  

It's 31 degrees here. My feet are cold.

Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan

by jhiat00 on Nov 3, 2011 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s like 20 degrees cooler here than it was yesterday! Bringing back fond memories of that one day every year back east when you go outside and realize immediately summer is over for good.

Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner

by natteringnabob on Nov 3, 2011 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know of the day you are talking about. I’m thankful that it hasn’t snowed yet although that can’t be far off.

Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan

by jhiat00 on Nov 3, 2011 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

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