Will the Giants Pursue a Big Name Free Agent?
The Giants have a pitching staff that is entirely homegrown. Not all that much you have four guys from the same team all get votes for the CY Young award. These guys being Lincecum, Cain, Vogelsong and Bumgraner who all happen under contract next year, and for Cain what may be his last year in orange and black? The Giants organization has refused to sign a big market free agent, instead sticking to the value players who are old and out of their prime. I can very easily see Cain leave the Giants next year if the Giants don’t put hitters in the lineup this off season. This type of pitching only comes around every once in awhile, and if the Giants waste it, no one will ever forgive Brian Sabean and Larry Baer.
What really disappoints me is that every time you here about Giants news on various sites, it’s about how they won’t pursue a big name free agent. I get that maybe Prince Fielder and Albert Pujols aren’t realistic options at this point, but why not pursue somebody like Jose Reyes or Carlos Beltran. Jose Reyes would put the Giants over the top in all offensive categories, leading for another run at the golden prize again in 2012. The Giants have some glaring holes to fill in the lineup this off season, and guys like Clint Barmes and Melky Cabrera won’t do the trick in my opinion.
The Giants set a record in attendance last year, selling out in all of their home games. We as fans can’t do anymore! We continue to fill Atat Park night in and night out, and when the offseason rolls around we expect something in return. Well, the off season is well underway, and so far all signs point to the Giants having a very non-productive off season. If the Giants can just sign a legitimate major league player who will produce, they will be well on their way back to the postseason come next October. It doesn't have to be Albert Pujols or Prince Fielder; guys like Michael Cuddyer or Carlos Beltran would fit right into the middle of the Giants order just as well. But if no moves are made, they will go into Arizona on April 6th will a pretty powerless lineup. Sellouts equal money, money the Giants should attempt to spend wisely this off season.
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No, they won't.
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It's pretty clear they won't.
It’s unfortunate from a fan perspective. But it really seems like ownership wants to retrench and hold down payroll, while also extending the top-line pitchers already in the organization. They seem to be focusing on the, what, 40 million dollars in dead weight already on the roster for next year and attempting to work around that.
Also, Brian Sabean is kind of not great at his job.
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by J. Frank Parnell on Nov 17, 2011 11:24 PM PST reply actions
Oh the other thing I wanted to say
Is that they haven’t really ‘wasted’ the pitching. I mean, they did win a World Series. That’s nothing to sneeze at.
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by J. Frank Parnell on Nov 17, 2011 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
I guess, technically, that is a pretty big name.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I think that they’re currently in pursuit of Carlos Bletran as I type this up. I also think that they could get into the bidding for Jimmy Rollins if the can’t sign Beltran and the market for Rollins remains at acceptable levels and at 3 years or less.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
I tend to be in agreement.
I think they still are trying to add Beltran, but after him, I don’t think they have their sights set on anyone of significance.
It’s a shame the Giants’ budget has $40 million of dead weight ($46 if you count Freddy Sanchez, who I think the Giants should have held off on extending). I like to think that money could have been used for Beltran, Reyes, et al. Imagine if they added those two—they’d be in great shape.
by Squire_Boone on Nov 18, 2011 8:15 AM PST up reply actions
I wish you had a link of some sort that shows me they’re in pursuit of Carlos Beltran, because it would sure make me feel better about the upcoming season.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
The Giants are not an org that tips their hands to the press on things like this.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
I don’t really understand where this strong perception comes from. I can think of many many moves (and draft picks) the Giants have made over the last decade that were fodder for the rumor mill long before they happened and Sanean himself tends to say that one of his faults is he’s too honest and too outspoken. My general impression is the Gianrs FO is not particularly abnormal in their dealings with the press — neither more reticent nor forthcoming than any other team.
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Interesting POV. I don’t agree with most of it, though. First off, according to my memory of the articles when Sabes has described himself as being too honest and outspoken he was speaking of mouthing off about his feelings and opinions – not about telegraphing specific trade, free agent or draft targets. He has been very outspoken about how tight-knit and loyal his entire organization is and how few things are ever leaked to the press from his org people that he doesn’t want to be leaked.
Secondly, I don’t think that he engages in playing the smokescreen game with the press that other GMs tend to do. He will sometimes offer up insight to a direct question about a specific part of his plans, but he rarely seems to offer any real specific insights both on and off the record.
Thirdly, he doesn’t seem to have cultivated any “friends” or “favorites” in the media that he can use to leak info or get his story out to a wide audience. It seems to me that he only works with the media when he’s absolutely forced to, or when his emotions are running high due to some short-term occurence. He gets criticized for not returning other GMs messages, because, basically, he doesn’t waste his time with the whole GM socializing that is rampant in the industry. He seems to have the same attitude towards the media. Unless there’s a specific thing that he’s working on (like a trade) he’s just not going to return phone calls from GMs or the press.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
by Fla-Giant on Nov 19, 2011 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I do think when he says that he’s not going after someone, he’s telling the truth. Also, it’s worth noting that there are a lot more people in the front office than Sabean and those people are actively involved in (often leading) personnel moves, trades, and acquisitions and they all have their own personality and relationship to the media. As for Sabean not having favorites, I know that that’s untrue in at least one case, because Peter Pascarelli often used to tell tales of drinking with Sabean thru the wee hours of the nights at winter meetings, GM meetings, Spring Training etc.
But more importantly, to the actual cases: the Beltran deal was certainly well communciated for weeks. It seemed like we knew very well what the team’s hopes were (that cash relief would be more important than propsects), and what they’re response was when they found that not to be true. We knew that Wheeler or Brown were likely going to be involved if it happened. We heard that they were a very likely trade candidate for OCab. We knew who they offered deals to at 1B leading up to the Huff scrap heap acquisition. We knew their interest in Freddy Sanchez before that trade and it was very very widely expected that they’d acquire him while Pittsburgh was in town. We knew they were discussing picking up Pat Burrell. We heard a lot about the Zito signing in the week leading up to it.
I guess i just haven’t seen the evidence of this “close to the vest” thing that I often hear people give them credit of. Rumors involving the Giants sometimes come to fruition and sometimes don’t, just like every other team, it seems to me.
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I do agree with you that when Sabes speaks out publicly he rarely tries to confuse or lay down smoke. I also agree that Sabes isn’t the only possible source of info on the Giants dealings, as I noted in my OP, but that Sabes has probably had the oldest and tightest-lipped core group in baseball for many years now. They are fiercely loyal to Sabes and none of them are attention- or media-whores. As an aside, I think that’s going to be sorely tested now that Larry Baer is the Managing GP – he seems to me like a guy that likes for the media to like him and write him up.
I disagree with your assertion that we knew all about the Beltran deal so far in advance this past summer, and I certainly don’t beleive that what we did hear was coming from Sabes & Co. I followed that trade deadline period very closely, and IMHO the rumors were almost entirely coming from Boras and sources inside the Mets (for the purpose of drumming up more suitors and better compensation). I also strongly disagee that we knew that the Gaints had decided on sending either Wheeler or Brown in a Beltran deal anytime before the day that the trade was finalized. There were several other names that were being whispered well ahead of Wheelers – incuding Surkamp, Hembree and Culberson. In fact, up until the final hour of the trade being finalized, nobody knew who the Giants were sending to the Mets – with several places printing that Gary Brown and not Wheeler was the main prize. If Sabes & Co. were the source of the rumors then they wouldn’t have gotten that key piece of info so wrong.
As for the 1B search during the winter of 2009.2010, I never heard that the Giants were targetting Huff until 24 hours before the deal was announced and the reason that we knew the Giants had been in on Nick Johnson and Adam Laroche wasn’t because somebody from the Giants leaked info, it came from the fact that both guys signed with other teams and their camps told the media about the Giants interest.
Finally, I don’t remember any leaks from the Giants side before the final 24 hours of the Franchez deal. From my recollection, the leaks were coming from the Pirates in an attenpt to gin up a trade war. I wasn’t paying attention during the Zito fiasco, but the OCab and PTB deals were first whispered about less than a few days before the deals went down, and anybody with half a brain could have predicted the Giants interest in those 2 guys at the time of the deals. They Giants were desperate for a power-hitting OF and a SS, and the pickings were slim.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Much of the time when we hear about teams showing interest in FAs, it’s coming from agents rather than team sources. I hardly think that the Giants are alone in trying to keep a tight leash on information within the front office, but they seem to be able to keep outside sources quiet as well. What I’ve found as strange over the years is that so many of the Giants free agent signings have come out of the blue, while Sabean has come out an called BS on enduring rumors that he claims are fabricated by agents. I have to wonder if there’s some quirk in the way the Giants do business that prevents this info from getting out through third parties.
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Interesting views on Sabey Sabes. I lean towards Fla’s interpretations.
Sabean is kind of a monk. He is also plain spoken and generally doesn’t BS reporters too much. His press conferences are interesting because even though he gives clipped answers, he generally is pretty truthful and it offers insight. I thought he was pretty restrained with the Posey-Cousins-Ralph/Tom segment. You could tell he was beyond furious about losing Buster. But generally he avoids the press and GMs as much as possible. Agent Ned took on more and more of the roll, the way Bobby Evans is getting quoted a bit more each year.
Roger – I don’t think we knew that Wheeler or Brown were going to be involved in the Beltran trade. Sabean was cagey, saying they had 3-4 untouchables. People were pretty shocked about Wheeler, as I remember. The twitter went crazy – its Brown! oh no! Its Wheeler! on no! I wouldn’t say it was expected. Because of Sabean’s announcing there might be “beltran money” I think that’s a good indication we are in on Beltran, and I suspect it could switch to Rollins given the right circumstances of Beltran going elsewhere and Amaro/Rollins spatting.
I remember wheeler seeming more and more like as the deadline approached.
There were a few articles saying that the players Giants’ FO considered untouchables weren’t the same as the list many fans/media people considered untouchable, and Bobby Evans went on the radio a few days before the deal and gave some surprisingly unflattering analysis of Wheeler ( surprising because he’s generally effusive with praise in those prospect fluff interviews). I also remember everyone pretty much assuming that the team wasn’t getting Beltran without losing Belt, Brown, or Wheeler.
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While not fully reassuring, Olney is reporting that the Giants still, at least, remain interested in a reunion with Beltran:
by Squire_Boone on Nov 19, 2011 8:45 AM PST up reply actions
I would be shocked if they signed Beltran
Maybe it’s just my natural paranoia, but I would be really surprised if they got Beltran. I imagine they’ll make a run at him, but not really a super-serious one. And if they can’t get him, well…
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by J. Frank Parnell on Nov 18, 2011 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
If someone is ready to throw big money at Beltran, they’ve certainly done a nice job of keeping it secret. As long as there’s not that “one crazy owner” out there, the Giants should be able to sign him without breaking the bank. There’s certainly no contender out there with a bigger need for Beltran than the Giants.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
I don't think it will take a crazy owner to offer him more than the Giants are willing to.
Because I don’t think the Giants are going to offer him very much at all.
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I think the Giants are content with what they have right now. Their focus is on the pitching. They think, wrongly, that they have enough offense and need to keep the pitcher together.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
When the pitching goes away and the offense is still this, this team is going to be… Wow
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I agree that the odds of them signing Beltran are slim, but that doesn’t mean that they aren’t pursuing him diligently right now. They do have the advantage of familiarity, being a contending team, and being able to back-end a bunch of money in his contract (Rowand’s $12M comes off the books at the end of 2012 season and Zito’s $19M comes off the following season). The fact that the Cuban wunderkind, Cespedes, has suddenly come on the market also makes the demand for Beltran diminish – IMO.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
It does seem that the chatter revolving around Beltran has diminished since Cespedes came on the scene.
by Squire_Boone on Nov 19, 2011 8:47 AM PST up reply actions
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