Which players should Sabes protect before the Rule 5 draft?
by Fla-Giant on Nov 15, 2011 8:20 AM PST
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PrintThis Saturday, November 19th, is the deadline for teams to finalize their 40-man rosters for the purpose of the December 8th Rule 5 Draft. The Giants currently have 4 openings on their 40-man roster due to Pat Burrell retiring and the free agency of Guillermo Mota, Carlos Beltran, Orlando Cabrera, Cody Ross and Mark DeRosa. In addition, there are a handful of current members of the 40-man roster that are non-tender candidates:
Waldis Joaquin, Eli Whiteside, Justin Christian, Manny Burriss, Brett Pill and Darren Ford.
Here's your chance to take over Sabean's GM spot for a day. Any current Giant minor leaguer that is eligible for the Rule 5 draft (see complete list below) that isn't placed on the 40-man roster by Saturday will be exposed to the draft. At this point, you can protect up to 4 eligible minor leaguers, but it's more likely that you'll want to choose no more than 3 (unless you waive 1 or more player off the current roster) because you want to have at least one spot open if you sign a free agent. Also, you'll want to keep at least one spot open because only teams that have at least one open spot on their 40-man roster can participate in the major league portion of the Rule 5 draft.
Now, let's briefly review how the Rule 5 Draft works. Any team that drafts one of our farmhands must pay us $50K and keep that player on their 25-man roster for the entire 2012 baseball season or they have to offer the drafted player back to the Giants for $25K. So, when trying to decide which players to protect from the draft you're not trying to protect any player that you think may be able to help the Giants at the major league level sometime during their career. Rather, you only want to protect those players that you think another team would want right now AND who they would be able to keep on their 25-man roster all next season.
Here's the list of all the Giant minor leaguers that are eligible for the Rule 5 (I've put an asterisk after the names of the only 8 guys that I could remotely imagine being drafted by another team):
Brian Anderson
Andrew Berger
Brock Bond
Drew Bowlin
Jorge Bucardo *
Craig Clark
Edward Concepcion
Hector Correa *
Charlie Culberson *
Rey Duran
Wendell Fairley
Justin Fitzgerald
Tyler Graham *
Julio Izturis
Roger Kieschnick *
Aaron King
Cameron Lamb
Mitch Lively
Aaron Lowenstein
Daryl Maday
Michael Main
Kelvin Marte
Josh Mazzola
Johnny Monell *
Jesus Navarro
Nick Noonan
Leo Ochoa
Dan Otero *
Juan Carlos Perez
David Quinowski *
Edwin Quirarte
Andrew Reichard
Dashenko Ricardo
Wilmin Rodriguez
Ari Ronick
James Simmons
Skyler Stromsmoe
Jose Valdez
Joel Weeks
Jackson Williams
Carlos Willoughby
Chris Wilson
Sundrendy Windster
Eliezer Zambrano
Put on your GM cap and let everybody know how you would manipulate the roster between now and Saturday to set the Giants up for the Rule 5 draft.
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Here are my moves:
I would boot the following players off of the current 40-man roster:
Waldis Joaquin (keep him in the farm system) and Eli Whiteside
AND I would place the following 4 current minor leaguers onto the 40-man roster:
Hector Correa, Charlie Culberson, Dan Otero and David Quinowski
That would leave 4 open spots to allow the freedom for further trades, the signing of free agents, or the drafting of some other team’s minor leaguers in the Rule 5 Draft.
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Some people might want to waive Jeff Keppinger and/or Mike Fontenot right now to clear up a roster spot or 2, but I think that is a decision best saved for the December 12th non-tender deadline for arb-eligible players that are still under team control.
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Correction
Make that only 2 open spots after all of my moves. The current roster has 36 players, not 34 as I originally stated.
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I would only protect Otero
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by Gobroks on Nov 15, 2011 9:07 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Would you waive anybody off the current roster? If not, and you only protect Otero then you’re leaving 5 spots open on the 40-man. What’s the point of having so many open spots?
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I'd cut Burriss & Whiteside
I don’t really think anyone else merits protecting. Maybe Culberson but I think he’d make it through the Rule V
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by Gobroks on Nov 15, 2011 10:27 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
At this point in the offseason, I’d rather have open roster spots than protect players who aren’t likely to go in the Rule V. No need to start option clocks any earlier than necessary, or give a spot to a Kieschnick type, only to have to outright him in March when the final roster takes shape. It also gives you flexibility to make some waiver claims: maybe some other team’s extra Burrisses and Whitesides are more interesting than our own.
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Actually after considering it again, I'd protect Quinowski too
I could buy arguments for Culberson/Correa but I doubt they’d last all year on a ML roster
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by Gobroks on Nov 15, 2011 4:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Backup C
I don’t see the Whiteside or Stewart as the Posey backup. Sabean indicated an interest in a backup C who can play substantial number of games so Posey can rest and on occasion play 1B. So you can remove both of them from the 40 man.
I suspect htey’ll keep Joaquin on. I’d add Otero and Q. Culberson and Noonan will both present the FO difficult choices I’d guess. I agree they’ll add Culbie.
I do have one question regarding Wilmin Rodriguez. Since he was a minor league FA who was just re-signed by the club last week, will he still be Rule 5 eligible? I can’t see why he wouldn’t, but the reason for the rule 5 draft is to prevent players from getting buried in one organization, and as he just had the opportunity to sign with any of the 30 this doesn’t really apply to Wilmin. If he’s eligible I’d think about protecting him, because he strikes me as a guy who could easily stick in somebody’s major league bullpen (and possibly even be of value) next year. But then I’ve always liked him.
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I researched that question and couldn’t find anything that speaks specifically to the eligibiltiy of guys like Rodriguez. So I assumed that means his status is not distinct from any other farm hand – making him eligible for the Rule 5. As you note, though, why would any team want to pay $50K to draft him and then be forced to keep him on the 25-man roster all year when they could have just signed him for free when he was a free agent and be able to keep him in the minors all next year? One might say that a team might have courted Rodriguez, but he turned them down to re-sign with the Giants, but I would rebut that if a team wanted him and offered him say $25K to sign with them then I can’t believe that Rodriguez would turn them down.
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RE: Noonan
I wrestled with the thought of protecting him, but in the end I just couldn’t imagine any team drafting him after his results over the past 2 seasons.
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Wasn’t he eligible for the draft last year and no one took him?
by free f.p. #14 on Nov 15, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
I remember Seth Etherton signing as an early MLFA in 2005 and then being selected in the Rule V. It happens, but it would seem to indicate a very poor agent. If someone out there thought you were worthy of cash and a restricted spot on a 40-man roster, they theoretically would have been happy to give you a spot on a 40-man roster all along, which sure beats a minor league deal.
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I’d protect Culberson, Otero, and Kieschnick, I think.
Also, isn’t it basically a forgone conclusion that Torres gets non-tendered? Doesn’t that open up another spot?
RE: Torres. I beloeve that they’ll follow a similar path to what they did with Fontenot last year. In other words, I think that they’ll sign him to a contract worth about $1M before the Dec. 12th deadline date. Even if they don’t want to do that, I don’t think that they’ll make any final decision on him until the 2nd week in December, so his spot wouldn’t factor in with the Rule 5 Draft deadlines.
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Disagree
I think that Otero, Correa and Culberson would be snapped up pretty quickly if they were available to other teams for only $50K . They would be a very low-risk/high-reward gambles for many of the non-competitive teams.
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I don't think Culberson would get taken
Last year Baltimore had a more extreme version of Culberson in Ryan Adams (better bat, worse glove) and he slid through
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by Gobroks on Nov 15, 2011 2:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
You could be right, but I think that the Giants will have more than enough spots on the 40-man to protect Culbie – who probably has easily the greatest upside of any of their eligible minor leaguers. Also, 1 big difference between 2011 Culbie and 2010 Adams is that Culbie will only be 22.8 years old during the Rule 5 draft, while Adams was 23.7 years old during last year’s draft. IMO, the difference in age will likely entice a team that’s not going anywhere (Houston, SD, …) to waste a spot on the 25 man on Culbie.
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I'm not sure Culberson has more upside than Altuve or Logan Forsythe
Maybe I am being too critical (and FWIW I do think the Giants will protect him) but I just have a hard time thinking he lasts the year on a ML roster
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I definitely agree that we’ll lose Correa if he’s eligible for the Rule 5 and I’d be very surprised if the Giants don’t protect him. He seems like a guy who could quite possibly replace any of the RH relievers this year if they non-tender any of those guys.
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I would cut Burriss, Whiteside and Ford. None of these players have demonstrated an ability to get to 1B. Nice guys all, but its time.
Joaquin has been a good soldier for our 40 man games, he stays. Christian is the backup 5th OF, he stays for the moment. Pill is our Huff-nudger, he is 25 man bound.
I’m protecting Culberson, Kieschnick, Graham (who is more likely to stay than Christian) and Buchardo and Otero.
Take chances with the other 3 choices. Correa, Monell and Q-ski. However, I would aggressively look to trade Keppinger, and if Clint Barmes is signed, Fontenot as well. If there was one more spot right before the deadline I’d protect Correa. Monell due to all the catchers we have could be a nice throw in.
Graham is a lesser version of Ford, it seems to me. With Christian around, I can’t see why’d you protect him (plus he just can’t hit much, so I don’t know why anybody else would want to pay for him). And Bucardo has clearly undergone a pretty serious arm injury, with I’m guessing surgery involved. I really doubt anybody’s going to want a rehabbing pitcher who’s barely pitched above Low A ball. Honestly, I’d go easy on protecting players from the Rule 5 draft, since we’ve seen the last couple years how many times we’ve had to waive players because of 40 man jams when he have to make an injury replacement, bullpen move etc. I think in most cases it’s less risky to leave them unprotected now (when they have to be both selected AND not offered back to lose them) then it is to go into the season with a full 40 man and be forced to waive somebody.
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by Roger on Nov 15, 2011 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That is a good point about leaving them unprotected now, and a good point about Bucardo. I meant keep one of Christian/Ford/Graham. So you like Ford more than those 2 guys? I think Culberson is definitely drafted if he isn’t protected, and because of his power potential Kieschnick might be too. But good point about last years hijinks and exposing players, it was pretty weak to lose Clayton Tanner for nothing.
I agree that Culbie would be most likely to get picked although I wouldn’t say definitely. I doubt that Kieschy gets nabbed – his age does him in. As for losing Clayton Tanner, meh, no big loss IMO.
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agree with all that
they always protect more pitchers than I expect. so Otero and Waldis and Quinowski could all get protected. I could see value one of Tyler Graham or Ford, along with Culbie.
A non contending team could draft Burriss and maybe teach him to hit. I saw an occassional flash of competence last year.
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by foothillsfan on Nov 15, 2011 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed
I think they should only protect Christian or Ford (my preference would Christian), but since they’re already both on the 40-man it really makes no sense to waive Ford now. The Giants have plenty of room on the 40-man and they can always waive Ford in January or later if they reach a 40-man crunch.
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I’ve soured on Ford a fair amount. His mad dashes were great, but if he’s going to run every time he pinch runs (and get caught) plus not be able to hit at all even in double-A, it might be time to move on to something else.
I’m not a big Ford fan either, although I think Sabes will hang onto him due to his Wheelz.
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Bochy seems to really like him as well. I wish that Bruce would not be so predictable with him late innings, and that Ford could learn how to be a pesky hitter like Jamey Carroll or something. I like Ford and Burriss, they are just frustrating in that you can’t steal first base and there is not even gap power potential.
He may have gap power potential
We just can’t tell because he can’t make any contact.
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True that. Hey! Is your boy Seth Rosin going to start or relieve next year? What is this guys ceiling?
Hope to hell he starts
But he didn’t really have success in the rotation this year in Augusta and did a great job as a reliever, plus he would move much more quickly out of the pen. The question then becomes one of depth – I feel like we have a good amount of SP depth in the low minors but almost none in the upper minors, and Rosin will certainly not move higher than SJ next year, so he can’t really address an area of concern by moving to the rotation because there are several guys close to him in terms of timetable. Of course, starters are almost always more valuable than relievers, and in general that makes me think that he should get at least one more chance to make it as an SP – if he flames out again, move him back to the pen and he should be in SF by 2014 at the latest.
Ceiling-wise, as a SP I’d say a No. 3 starter – someone in the Carl Pavano mode with a 5-6 K/9 and a 3 BB/9 at max as his control is phenomenal. More likely a back-end guy who survives because of his control despite an inability to get K’s – the type of pitcher whose ERA fluctuates highly because he’s so BABIP-dependent. As a reliever I guess his ceiling could be a late-inning guy but it may be more valuable to put him in a Mota-type role – generally I’d rather have him pitch 100 innings (he has the repertoire of a starter so he could go through a lineup more than once), coming in after an early exit from a starter or when the rest of the pen is tired, instead of 70 higher-leverage outings because I think the lack of K’s and walks leads to lower pitch counts and therefore makes him better suited to go 2-3 innings at a time instead of one. He also shouldn’t be coming in during a jam – I’d rather leave that to the high-K high-walk pitchers. Obviously Fla would be better qualified to give an in-depth scouting report and analysis of his prospects but I think he’ll make some sort of ML career barring injury.
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They’ve got to give him another shot at starting next year. It’s not like they have a pressing need for him as a reliever in SF anytime soon. Worst case, another season as a starter should make him a better reliever in the long run.
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Well, it was reported down during 1 game in the AFL. I think that he can still hit 95 with his 4-seamer, but I imagine that he pretty much sticks with the 2-seamer these days. Typically, college starters do see a loss of velocity in the pros due to the fact that they’re not just pitching 6-9 innings once a week for only around 15 weeks. Pitching every 5th or 6th days most of the spring and all summer long really saps an inexperienced pitcher.
My main concern with Rosin is not the drop in velocity, but the loss of his + command and control. As for the phantom 2", stuff like that happens all the time with college bios.
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I saw a tweet recently (possibly to Gobroks) from Scouting the Sally in which he said something to the effect of: he never heard a single positive comment from a scout about any player on the Augusta team last year, which made me do a bit of a “gulp”.
Josh, am I remembering that right?
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Between Duvall, Kickham, Rosin, Bochy, Lofton, and RafRod we got zero positive comments? Not necessarily that all of those guys had even good years, but that surprises me.
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Not to mention Harrold, Dunnington and Adrianza.
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Although both Adrianza and Dunnington were better in SJ, in Adrianza’s case much better.
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Stats-wise that’s true, but scouts aren’t supposed to be judging by statistical effectiveness – theyr’e supposed to be the ones that can see the player’s true talents.
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true enough, although it seems reasonable to believe that Adrianza’s struggles in the Sally were related to close proximity to the thumb injury and scouts wouldn’t necessarily know or be able to see through that. But yeah, if Dunnington has a real live arm they would have been able to see that.
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Yep
Though he also said given the way Augusta’s park plays Duvall’s SLG was impressive
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by Gobroks on Nov 16, 2011 11:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Also IIRC KLaw said Rosin's slider looked awful in the AFL
I’m hoping that because he’s from Minnesota he’ll take a step forward next year, but right now I wouldn’t call him a top 5 relief prospect in this system
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by Gobroks on Nov 16, 2011 11:54 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I have no idea what his slider is normally like, but KLaw only saw him throw 2 innings at most in 1 game. Plenty of pitchers have single outings where 1 or 2 of their pitches suck – even elites like Timmy, Halladay, etc.
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With Ford, the only thing he could steal is….nah I won’t go there.
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Christian and Ford and Graham
And Torres. If Torres takes the Fontenot deal this year, he is a better defensive and running replacement than the above. Vet savvy. Wheelz. CF™. Already on Roster (until Dec arb date). And can actually you know hit.
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I had no idea, but checking BR to find his age I see the Mike not only finally did make it to the majors (going 2 for 13 in 2008), but was rewarded for his efforts with a World Series ring, as his 10 games in the show came with the 2008 Phillies!
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Joe Ritzo chimes in
Via his twitter account:
Culberson, Correa, Otero, Kieschnick and Quinowski. RT @sportsfinatic22: if you could only choose 5 players which would you protect?
He also separately tweeted that there’s no way they protect Noonan.
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Don’t be surprised, Ritzo very smart – and he’s dialed into the Giants’ farm system fairly well. Not to mention that he’s had lots of conversations with Giant player development types on which guys they like and don’t like.
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Excluding Kieschnick
Yup. Side note: Isn’t Quinowski eligible for minor league free agency? Any chance he’ll go for it (though I guess if he gets put on the 40-man before the Rule 5 he probably won’t)?
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I believe he already was once and signed back with the team. I don’t know if that’s a year to year thing once they’ve gotten to six years.
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He’s not showing up on BA’s minor league FA list. I’m guessing that he already re-upped with the Giants for 2012. Here’s the BA link to their Giants-specific page that they’re promising to keep fairly up-to-date throughout the offseason:
http://www.baseballamerica.com/statistics/players/mlfa.php?pName=&pos=All&fTeam=SF&win=All&lvl=All&nTeam=All&signed=All&action=Filter
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I talked with him before he went to the DR and he said FA and waiting to see. Haven’t spoke with him since but I’ll see what I can find out.
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From that list I see Bill Hall is officially gone from the Giants now.
Its confusing that the Giants have 2 guys named Bucardo from Leon, NI. I imagine they are brothers, as they have almost the same physique along with the hometown and are exactly 2 years apart. So Wilber is currently a declared FA (23 years old) and Jorge is recovering from surgery (and 21 years old), not worth the 40 man spot at the moment?
Otero, Graham and Culberson...
It leaves plenty of room for other additions, and the others are more easily replaceable or too big a risk for other teams to take. I can’t see Kieschnick being reasonably taken, and while Quinowski is a talented guy, you don’t want to spend too many spots on minor league relievers and Otero is the better bet.
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Young center fielder type that can be called up in a pinch, and Tyler has better range and much much better speed than Christian. Steve Decker said that Graham is the fastest guy in the system, and he managed Ford.
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by BruteSentiment on Nov 16, 2011 8:29 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t really consider 28 to be young (he’s older than Ford by nearly 1.5 years), especially for a guy whose only tool is speed. And he’s been some form of bad to terrible hitter his entire minor league career. I mean a .675 OPS in the PCL on your second full season shot at the league (and third overall) isn’t exactly inspiring confidence that he could be any better than a pitcher hitting against major leaguers.
I have a better idea than moving to protect Tyler Graham: Keep Andres Torres!
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And Darren Ford is a better hitter?
I’d consider Graham to be more of a competitor to Ford than Torres.
On the other hand, the Giants just signed ANOTHER center fielder minor leaguer-type player.
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by BruteSentiment on Nov 16, 2011 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
Hey, Graham’s younger than him! By a whole month!
By the way, my original point wasn’t Graham was better or worse than Ford, but more that we certainly don’t need to be taking up additional roster spaces with crappy, career minor leaguer who happen to be fast and play CF. We seem to be plenty full up on those. A point that the FO clearly disagreed with, so by all means, let’s see if we can collect 40 of them.
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I have not seen Ford play defense but I can say that Graham is a ++ defender in addition to his speed on the bases.
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Saw Graham and Ford play (PCL). Graham is a much better defender, appears to be faster, and reads the pitching better on steal attempts. Sadly, the man can not hit very well. I would still keep him over Ford.
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Hey, i see in the latest BA that the long discussed McBryde “toe the rubber” conversion finally began during Instructional League. I’m guessing the discussion went like this:
“Mike, I’m sorry but we’re going to waive y….”
“Coach, I think I’d like to pitch!”
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Who’s he playing for now?
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Was he hurt this summer? I don’t remember him getting in any games at any level.
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Yeah, he started the season at Richmond and played for about a month before getting hurt. Looking up the numbers, he managed 105 games in 2009 and has played only 53 games since. Constantly injured, which certainly didn’t help the development of his already pretty iffy bat.
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ex position player list, just a start
McBride, Joe Nathan, Brad Hennessey, Sundrendy Winster, Belt (college anyway), Main
could add Posey, Matt Downs who closed in college
Marvin Barrios, come on I'll show you your bedroom. Don't stay on the phone too long to Panama, please.
by foothillsfan on Nov 16, 2011 8:02 AM PST up reply actions
Don't forget
Chris Dominguez and Dashenko Ricardo
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Belt went the other way. Of that list only Nathan and Windster actually made the switch while in the organization. As did Jon Coutlangus. One of their old catchers went to the mound and then back again. Can’t quite remember who that was.
MY DAD WAS WRONG!
MY BOY NEEDS TO THROW HARDER!
As did Jon Coutlangus
I cannot read that name without laughing. Juvenile, I know.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
by nvsfg on Nov 16, 2011 1:46 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
We know there will be a shitty player or two that the Giants will protect.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I bet its Wendell Fairley or Nick Noonan.
by free f.p. #14 on Nov 17, 2011 2:39 AM PST up reply actions
Baggs chimes in
Baggs has a new blog post up where he addresses the Giants Rule 5 options. Link (scroll to the end for the Rule 5 info) and key quote below:
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/extrabaggs/2011/11/16/will-tim-lincecum-sign-a-multiyear-contract-is-the-book-of-eli-coming-to-an-end-plus-other-giants-notes/#more-6900
Right now, the Giants have 36 players on the 40-man. I suspect they will add Correa and Culberson, at least. Kieschnick is a tougher call but probably ranks third on the list. Noonan, sadly, has dropped off the map.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
BTW, I think that Baggs is wrong about the Giants having 36 palyers on the current roster. I count 34, but I had to make 1 judgment call so I could see it being as high as 35.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Yeah, I see the 36 now. I made the mistake of going ot ESPN.com for my roster – and I forgot to add in the fact that Melky replaced Sanchez on the roster.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Padres cut another dude. Can they be cut off after 10 Rule 5 picks? There is no limit besides your own roster space right?
Not sure they’d be willing to spend the half a million that would cost them though.
MY DAD WAS WRONG!
MY BOY NEEDS TO THROW HARDER!
Right
Although, theoretically there’s no limit as long as you still have space on your 25-man roster. Also, I believe (but I may be hallucinating) that there’s a rule that allows teams to protect another prospect every time another team drafts an unprotected guy from their system.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
The Pads just added 4 pitchers and 2 fielders to their 40 man.
Is there anybody you think the Gints are or should be looking at Fla?
Royals portect Verdugo
I just saw that the Royals have added Ryan Verdugo to their 40-man roster. Looks like they think he would be too tempting a morsel to leave dangling.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Looks like we got pre-empted by Grant
B@stard!
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
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