More on Lopez and Affeldt
There are a couple of ways to look at the Jeremy Affeldt and Javier Lopez re-signings.
The first is as someone who thinks the Giants will blow past their budget from 2011. In this world, sure, get the extended warranty and clear-coat protection on your BMW. You can afford it. Get the rhinoceros insurance too, just in case you take that baby to Namibia. Good teams have good bullpens. You deserve a good team, San Francisco. Pay a premium for those relievers because you're going to need to hold the leads that your new, expensive hitters give you.
That's a nice world. I'd like to live in that world. It's probably not the real world. But it could be! Heck, we're not in the closed-door meetings where they're strategizing about how to contend for the next three years. Maybe they have a bunch of shiny pie charts titled "The Lincecum Window", in which they detail how they're going to spend buckets of money before Tim Lincecum is a free agent, maximizing the pitching in place for the next two years.
Every indication the Giants have given, though, is that the team payroll isn't going to be much different than last year. And most of it is spoken for. The team that is in desperate need of offense -- desperate, desperate, horrible need -- just spent $9 million on a pair of left-handed specialists. Left-handed relievers are the diamond-studded strap on the guitar of a team; the 17th Diet Coke at a place that doesn't give free refills. If it's the last possible thing for a team to worry about, go for it. Where the Giants appear to be? Ludicrous.
It's a typical Sabean move, though -- he likes cost certainty with his left-handed relievers. He paid premium prices to acquire and keep Steve Kline and Jason Christiansen, and even though those two were duds in their final seasons with the Giants, that won't happen to Lopez or Affeldt because
The best lefty specialist in Sabean's tenure (other than Lopez) was Scott Eyre, who was acquired on waivers, but left when the Giants wouldn't pay to keep him. After he left, the Giants messed around with Jack Taschner, Erick Threets, Alex Hinshaw, and Geno Espineli before paying for Affeldt, so I guess that's part of Sabean's thinking. The last time he didn't pay to keep a guy, the Giants were without solid lefty relievers. That turned them from a 74-win team into an unthinkable 72-win team.
And behind Affeldt and Lopez, the Giants have an amazing collection of lefty specialists who walk five or more batters for every nine minor-league innings they pitch. The Giants chose to keep Hinshaw over Joe Paterson, and it looks like that decision cost them close to $5M.
This has the feel of an offseason where the only acquisitions are Ryan Ludwick and Ronny Cedeno, with the Giants saying, "Hey, we had to keep the pitching together!" Two lefty relievers. Ten million dollars. Unless the Giants are planning on spending a lot more money than we think, or unless Aubrey Huff goes Gil Meche and retires for the good of the team, it seems like a bizarre allocation of limited funds for a team that has a clearly defined weakness.
I can almost, almost see going for the cost certainty on one of the lefties -- give it to Lopez, then, as a World Series bonus -- but both? Weird. Just weird. As I wrote earlier, this offseason is going to have a familiar ring to it.
In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Jim] Brower, [Scott] Eyre, [Matt] Herges, [Dustin] Hermanson, [Brett] Tomko, [A.J.] Pierzynski, Feliz, [J.T.] Snow, [Jeffrey] Hammonds, [Dustan] Mohr and Tucker -- obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
In a word: No. If we had signed Reyes or [Prince] Fielder, we would have been without [Javier] Lopez, [Jeremy] Affeldt, [Guillermo] Mota, [Jeff] Keppinger, [Coco] Crisp, [Mike] Fontenot, [Raul] Ibanez, and [Yuniesky] Betancourt -- obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Winter is coming.
(Thought I have to say, I am a little attached to Lopez, and I will enjoy watching him if he doesn't implode. Never forget.)
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Well put.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Especially the part about Ruznler sucking.
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by xanthan on Oct 31, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Sigh
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Career FIP, xFIP
Affeldt: 4.12, 4.20
Lopez: 3.99, 4.25
Runzler: 3.19, 3.74
Yes, obviously the worst thing would have been to let Runzler make minimum salary and take on of their places.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
by GiantPain on Oct 31, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
It would totally be the worst thing. I’m pretty sure the sun would explode from all of Runzler’s walks.
Ask me about my blog.
Runzler’s walks are like the monolith in 2010: they just keep multiplying until Jupiter ignites.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 31, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
I hope I’m not out of line in saying that I always enjoy these little tête à têtes between you two.
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 31, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
That was some fantastic accenting.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Well thanks for noticing :)
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 31, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I always lost so many points on my French tests because of accents. I could never remember which ones went forward or backwards and which were the pointy hat ones, so I ended up just kinda drawing straight lines, but my teacher saw through that ploy.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
That’s probably why I never took French. I just go with why I know from pop culture and literature and use the Creole I know to fill in the gaps. So obviously I know just enough French to look cool so long as nobody asks any follow-up questions.
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 31, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm from Washington
Follow up questions are always optional.
But yes, it did look cool.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
The circumflex goes where the letter s used to be, the acute accent is only on e and has a specific sound, and everything else gets the grave.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
That sounds like a threat.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
It’s how Pierre Montpelier (better known as the Baton Rouge) dispatches his victims.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Sacré bleu!
"He has maybe one of the best arms I've ever seen; he could be playing by the concession stand and he's not out of position." - Andy Skeels, talking about 3B Chris Dominguez.
circumflex
Now there’s a word that sounds super dirty but isn’t
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 31, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
stretchy foreskin
Yeah, that was gross.
You’re welcome.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 31, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
You're concave and convex, hey everybody, let's have sex!
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I thought it was related to the ping pong ball trick at first.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 31, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Winter is coming
But not today. Says 71 down here in MP but feels like 80.
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by Giant Fan in Singapore on Oct 31, 2011 12:20 PM PDT reply actions
You know nothing, Giant Fan in Singapore
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 31, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Aye
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 31, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll do GOT-carved pumpkins next year, these are great
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by Giant Fan in Singapore on Oct 31, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
you put my direwolf pumpkin to shame
it’s also looking pretty sad today, two days later
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I smeared a light film of vaseline on the open flesh so hopefully this is still going to be OK this evening.
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YOU HEARD ME
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 31, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Sort of a metaphor for House Stark itself, huh?
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
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by Murray, Present on Oct 31, 2011 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Treat Yo Self
In this world, sure, get the extended warranty and clear-coat protection on your BMW. You can afford it
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Treat Yo Self
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I could go for a mimosa right about now
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 31, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
It seems like they do a lot of little shots like that
Where they seem to just let the actors riff a little bit, or give a lot of different answers and them cut them together for a clip. My favorite was Leslie talking about people breaking up with her: “you know, skywriting isn’t always used to say nice things”.
The first six innings are overrated.
My favorite ad-libbed line of all time:
“Leslie, I typed your symptoms into the thing up here and it says you could have network connectivity problems.”
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Hands down my favorite vignette has to be the one in the camping episode when Leslie is trying to explain to the ranger why she accidentally shot Ron.
“I thought there’d be chocolate.”
“I guess when I get sad I just want to shoot things.”
“This would not have happened if I had a penis!”
“Bitches be crazy”
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 31, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
They should put an engine in the car
Before worrying about the paint.
by Myemail21479 on Oct 31, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I knew a guy in high school that said he had ‘chromed out’ his engine. When we went to look at it, it turned out he had sprayed much of the engine compartment with metallic spray paint.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 31, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
/sprays self with silver paint
I’m a robot now, bro! Shoot a gun at me, see what happens.
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You should go to the Wharf and stand on a box. People will throw money at you.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 31, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Weird but, I'm less bothered by this than most made in the last few months
Btw.
7 Days til London, oh and the Dutch girl loves mayo on her fries. WEEEEEEEIRD
If the mayo is good, it isn’t so weird. Miracle whip would be weird.
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Not weird at all
It’s tasty. Dutch also love their french fries with peanut sauce.
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by Giant Fan in Singapore on Oct 31, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
/sets the Dutch on fire
It must be difficult to eat french fries with any type of condiment when you are rolling around on the floor clutching your ankle.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 31, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Is it Really Going to Make a Difference?
I’ll admit that even if you think that Lopez and Affeldt are worth signing, they overpaid, but let’s say that they signed one and picked up another lefty on the scrap heap. They would have saved $5 million. Is that really going to make the difference in signing Beltran or some other good offensive player? I think they have a figure in mind for an offensive player, and it wouldn’t have mattered if they signed Affeldt or not.
by GiantFaninDodgerLand on Oct 31, 2011 12:28 PM PDT reply actions
It might.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
They do have a budget,
so you can figure that $5 million to one guy means you can’t spend it on another guy.
I’m still not convinced Sabean understands baseball OR budgets all that well.
by Stoned Slacker on Oct 31, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
But they would've had to pay the $500K buyout
If you’re going to sign another lefty, you’re probably going to have to spend $3M for someone decent. That’s $3.5M for not Affeldt. Maybe they figure the extra $1.5M was worth it to have Jeremy back.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Agreed
And all things considering, I hope the Giants are secretly going to pump payroll and get 1 good bat. They will lose money in negotiating, or start the stove hotter if they told everyone otherwise.
by Myemail21479 on Oct 31, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Or you could play Runzler or Verdugo for .5 million.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Yup, let's give the FO that benefit of the doubt
but there’ll be hell to pay if Sabean’s idea of an offensive bat is Barmes or Jason Bay.
Don't believe everything you think.
Why? Those bats are pretty offensive to me.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
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What about Michael Bay?
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Runzler?
He’s minimum wage. Yes, he’s not good. But the difference between Affeldt and Runzler is not worth $4M.
Thank you.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
But the difference between Reyes and Crawford is something like $150 million.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Let’s use fWAR, since that has a formula that directly relates performance to market value.
But I’m not sure what you would value that would make the difference between Crawford and Reyes less large. The thing that Crawford does well is also a thing that Reyes does well.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Reyes looks pretty?
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Of course that’s a matter of opinion, but I think he can be if you’re into dreadlocks.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Mrs. Goofus has dreads and I think she looks smokin'
Can’t say I feel the same way about Jose
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
shhhh

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
OK, I was wrong
I’d hit that
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Let's say you sign Reyes to a 6 year contract
I’d estimate him at something like 16ish WAR over the course of that contract. I’ll give Crawford something like 2-3 over the same time period, hell, maybe 4.
So that puts Reyes at 12 WABC — Wins Above Brandon Crawford. Right now, a “win” is worth about 4-5 million dollars, but since inflation exists, over the course of a six year contract, a “win” will come to be worth more. So let’s say that over the next six years, on average, a win will be worth 6 million or so.
That means that Reyes’ value over Crawford is worth something like 12 times 6, or 72 million dollars. Now, of course, Brandon Crawford won’t make nearly as much money as Reyes, but he isn’t free, either. Over the course of six years, with three making minimum salary and three in arbitration, he would likely pick up somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 million dollars.
So if you take the 72 million dollars that we expect Reyes to be worth more than Crawford, and add on the 10 million dollars that we won’t have to pay Brandon Crawford if we have Reyes, our value of Reyes-over-Crawford is about 82 million dollars.
Now, you pay a premium for any free agent, especially a top tier one like Reyes. If you give him a 100 million dollar contract, the premium you’re paying is about 18 million dollars or so – a lot, to be sure, but not so bad.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I remain in the “Give Jose Reyes whatever he wants” camp, but I’d quibble with some of the reasoning here.
The cost of a win on the free-agent market may be $4-5 million, but that’s not the value of a win for a team with a sub-Yankees budget. For a team with a $120 million payroll, it’s between $2 and $2.5 million. If you’re trying to justify signing a free agent vs. using homegrown talent (as opposed to justifying one free agent vs. another free agent), you need to use the smaller figure.
Second, Reyes’s homegrown competition is not just Crawford—you have to consider the possibility that Adrianza or Panik or some other unknown quantity will step up within a few years to become a solid shortstop. The odds of some one of those guys making it eventually aren’t bad, I’d say.
The cost of a win on the free-agent market may be $4-5 million, but that’s not the value of a win for a team with a sub-Yankees budget. For a team with a $120 million payroll, it’s between $2 and $2.5 million.
Sorry, where is this coming from?
If anything, the price per win for a team like the Giants, who are borderline playoff contenders, should be much higher, as the difference between 88 and 89 or 90 wins is massive compared to the difference between 75 and 76 or something.
And, like I said to Goofus down there, of course anything can and will happen over the next six years.
But Tortured, up there in this comment thread, was talking about the difference in value between Crawford and Reyes. That is what my post is about.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I shouldn’t’ve said value of a win — what I meant is the de facto cost of a win. An all-replacement-level team nets you 45 wins, 47 wins, something like that (crude estimate, obviously). Presumably you’re aspiring to serious contention, roughly 88 wins. So you’re paying $108 million ($120 mil minus the minimum) for a hoped-for 42 wins. That’s $2.57 million per WAR.
But yeah, the value of a few extra wins, for a team that’s roughly an 85-86 win team now, is huge. That’s why I’m pro-Reyes.
But a lot of those wins are coming from cost-controlled players, i.e. players that the Giants can’t readily obtain from other teams. If they wanted to go buy the production of a win on the free agent market, they’d have to pay more than that.
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I thin kthere's a flaw in your logic...
…assuming that Crawford will be the starting shortstop for six years, and get pay raises, if he produces just 1/2 win seasons. If that were the case, he might not even last three seasons, much less be offered arb.
I’d guess Crawford gets another season or two and if he doesn’t develop into something more aquequate, they could give Panik, Adrianza or some other cheap young SS a try as opposed to running up Crawford’s salary.
But let’s say Crawford starts producing at a 1 WAR clip. Then your WABC shrinks and Reyes represents less value.
I think Reyes is a great fit for this team, but I’m really not convinced the Giants should sign him if it’s going to take the kind of money
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Well of course, no, I didn't attempt to break down every potential avenue of who might start for the next six years at shortstop
I only meant to compare the relative values of Crawford and Reyes.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
No, you meant to argue against Crawford and chose to compare their relative values in such a way as to bolster your argument.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 1, 2011 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Be that as it may
Your argument doesn’t pass the sniff test and you’d be the first person to argue against this if it wasn’t you who made the point. (Don’t even try to tell me you wouldn’t.)
Re-phrase it to “Reyes vs. six season of minimum salary 1/2 win shortstops” and I’ll listen.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Gah
Go look up the thread! Tortured was talking about Brandon Crawford and Jose Reyes! That’s what I was responding to. If this was an in depth analysis of Reyes versus every other possible shortstop externality, I would have made it a fanpost, or its own comment thread, at least.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I was really only trolling GP on the Reyes/Crawford thing anyway, but it has paid off handsomely. Thanks, gentlemen!
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
He makes it so easy, and I know he loves to rosterbate. Think of it as handing him a magazine.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
by Tortured on Nov 1, 2011 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
lol
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Mayor of Smug.
I rec'd this, but it felt dirty.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I respectfully disagree.
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by BruteSentiment on Oct 31, 2011 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
ThoughtI have to say, I am a little attached to Lopez, and I will enjoy watching him if he doesn’t implode
This basically sums up my feelings on Javier Lopez. Also, he’s super pretty sexy eye candy. Obviously that doesn’t make me want to keep him around if he’s going to be not good or not good enough to be worth the money but since Sabean’s already made the decision, at least there’s a nice view if it ends up being a bad signing.
Viva El Night Train!
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 31, 2011 12:31 PM PDT reply actions
Only if he brings back the goatee. Rowrrrr.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
This is where you an I part ways, friend. I’m not about the goatee.
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 31, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Interesting. I thought we were both on the same page about that.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
I generally prefer my men clean shaven and though there are exceptions, Javier isn’t one of them. Nobody should hide a face that pretty behind facial hair!
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 31, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
How about that. I generally agree with the clean-shaven rule, but certain guys look better with facial hair. And to me, that includes Lopez. He lost something when he went starkers on the ol’ face.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
but then he starts to talk and it isn’t the usual jockspeak, but intelligent, considered discourse with a smattering of humor. swoon
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
And for me, it was like a revelation when I saw him clean-shaven at the parade. I believe my exact words were “Holy goodness, where have you been all my life??” But let’s agree to disagree so long as we all agree with Tortured on the fact that he’s swoon-worthy every time he speaks.
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 31, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
So stipulated, and so entered.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Hate to see him leave but love to see him walk away …
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 31, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Braves will probably decline the option on Nate Mclouth
Do we want?
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by Anonymous1337 on Oct 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I wouldn’t. He doesn’t seem to be very good at baseball.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
BRASS NEED MCLOUTH-TYPE HITTER!
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by natteringnabob on Oct 31, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't.
He’s not any better than Torres, so why bother?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
So Cocoa Crispy has a backup.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
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"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Oct 31, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
But then there's Grady Sizemore
What do you do about him? He could be a disaster, he could be very very welcome.
Don't believe everything you think.
I think you play him for 2 months and see what's up.
If he sucks and the scouts say he looks bad, play Torres.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I’d rather just play Torres to start.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
That's a fair POV too
I don’t want to sit Torres for anyone other than Sizemore. Sizemore I like though.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
The Runzler of CF!
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by natteringnabob on Oct 31, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions

Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I see
MOON LANDING? BEAR GRYLLS!
by Anonymous1337 on Oct 31, 2011 12:34 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Not really.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 31, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I mentioned this yesterday, but the Giants lost a solid, cheap LOOGY for 50K last year
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by Gobroks on Oct 31, 2011 12:34 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT MAN BEHIND THE FANGRAPH!
by Every6thDay on Oct 31, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
ZERO WINS?
THREE LOSSES?
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 31, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Ha
(I see the line now, IDK if it was in there originally)
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Good point
Did you notice that Sabes obliquely touched on this in is interview with Urban last week? Urban was asking him about the Giant prospects in the AFL and asked a specific question about why the Giants sent the 4 pitchers this year. Sabes answered back that it gets tricky with sending pitchers to the AFL, because you don’t want to put too many innings on their arms for the year and because you want to be careful about sending a little-known pitcher that was eligible for the Rule 5 draft that other teams might see and glom on to.
Needless to say, my head exploded and I yelled out, “Where was that laudable strategy last year when you sent Paterson to the AFL and then exposed him to the Rule 5 – while keeping Alex Hinshaw protected?”
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Hinshaw, Henry Sosa, Clayton Tanner
Yeah that was not a good call
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When spring training rolls around
And the only position player additions to the club are the same old 3rd tier dumpster dives we have lived with since forever, the money they gave two LOOGYs will upset me. Right now, it is just annoying.
Unlike the chronic rosterbators, I am not setting myself up for failure. I know what to expect. Heck, even the chronic rosterbators know what to expect. I suppose they get priority boarding on the outrage train when none of their fantasy acquisitions come true.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 31, 2011 12:35 PM PDT reply actions
Ha ha! I know who you’re talking about!
Howie.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
LOL HOWIE
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 31, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d like to say I’ve given up rosterbating, but when it’s cold & lonely in December I may sneak over to Cots with a bottle of Lubriderm.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 31, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Reading this post reminded me how terrible Kline’s last year with the Giants was; he faced 216 batters and struck out just 17 of them.
Ask me about my blog.
His hair shirt was excellent though.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 31, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
but
he gave La Russa the middle finger in front of a crowd of thousands. Forever a hero and worth every penny to have that man in a Giants uniform.
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by Smoke on the Water on Oct 31, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
RIP LaRussa
And by ‘R’, I mean retire.
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by BruteSentiment on Oct 31, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Rec'd
Would be insta green if you had pic of it
by Myemail21479 on Oct 31, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I really truly believe the Giants will spend some money to acquire offense this offseason, regardless of these contracts. They simply can’t come up with a Ronny Cedeno/Ryan Ludwick offseason and think that will play well with the media or fanbase. They have to acquire someone with a “name” to keep the good vibes and sellouts flowing.
So I’m not worried that these signings are going to keep the Giants from acquiring offense. I’m worried that they might keep the Giants from acquiring the right offense. I’m worried that they might be the difference between re-signing Carlos Beltran and overpaying for Michael Cuddyer and saying “eh, almost as good. And look at that shiny bullpen!”
Offense will be added. The trick is, will it be of the Michael Tucker or Vlad variety. Unfortunately, probably the former.
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by Smoke on the Water on Oct 31, 2011 12:39 PM PDT reply actions
They’ll talk about signing Beltran the same way they talked about signing CC and Manny. They’ll be open to the idea of re-signing Beltran, if, you know, Beltran gets bored or something and decides to sign a 2 year 4 million contract. If he actually tries to get paid what he’s worth, they won’t sign him, and they aren’t even looking at anyone else.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Oct 31, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
This is exactly correct
The Giants will be paired with any number of free agents they have no intention of signing. This happens every offseason.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 31, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Heh
I had forgotten that one. My guess is the Maddux Money has transformed into vacation real estate, automobiles and/or plastic surgery by now.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 31, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Moving the Maddux Money to the Rainy Day Fund would've had too many tax consequences
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
If only we'd invested the Maddux money!
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I think he said he’s going to get some from Oanh in Taiwan; that’s his favorite Taiwanese hooker.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Oct 31, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
She can paint both sides of the plate with her ping pong balls.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 31, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I can’t quickly picture what that would be a euphemism for, but I can’t help but feel dirty when I read it.
I’m gonna read it again.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Oct 31, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not a euphamism. She shoots ping-pong balls out of her vagina.
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
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The Giants won the World Series. The media will be off them for a decade.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
in that way yes
but looking cheap after all of those sellouts, especially after firing Neukom, will not provoke positive reactions
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by Smoke on the Water on Oct 31, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
The Red Sox disagree.
Expectations are different now.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
The thing that makes it hard to hate these signings...
…is that Affeldt and Lopez seem like two of the genuinely good guys on the team.
Affeldt bounced back nicely last season, does all that work to end the sex slave trade, gave a great speech following the Bryan Stowe incident. He also was the one who was mic’d up and caught Bochy saying he felt like a Vegas showgirl in the gold-lettered jersey. Hard to put a price on that.
I’ll stay in wait-and-see mode before hating this. If we re-sign Beltran and have a legit 2-3-4-5 without having to rely as part of that, I’m feeling pretty good about next season.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
I like them both, as much as I can like a professional athlete from 3,000 miles away, but at this point, the Giants need guys who are good at baseball and not guys who seem kinda like good nice guys.
Ask me about my blog.
by xanthan on Oct 31, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
the Giants need guys who are good at baseball and not guys who seem kinda like good nice guys.
This has always been my take on who my favorite baseball team signs.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 31, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree
but at the same time, I don’t want Nyjer Morgan.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
by Tortured on Oct 31, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think might point was taken as intended
I’m not crazy about signing Affeldt and think Lopez is a slight overpay. I just mean I have trouble getting really upset by it when both guys are seemingly decent fellows who have a track record of doing good things as Giants.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
I'm with you
I think it’s wayyy to early to have an MCC Freakout about them not signing any hitters just because they have (slightly overpaid) for a couple lefty relievers. For goodness sake, the World Series just ended three days ago.
There is PLENTY of time for MCC Freakouts in the offseason. It’s called “November”, “December” and “January.”
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Remember the post-WS threads when people talked about how they could not gripe in the same degree as pre-WS.
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I'm upset when Sabean goes out and discusses the budget restrictions that will prevent the team from signing a player who could improve the offense
And then spends this much money on bit players. That makes me upset. I’m not upset with Lopez or Affeldt.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I don't think Beltran is enough.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Why?
CF
Sanchez
Panda
Beltran
Posey
Huff/Belt
Nate
SS
That’s a pretty good lineup…
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Is Buster healthy? Is he as good as he was? How many games can he play in?
Is Sanchez healthy? He’s older and has had more surgeries than ever, and he was declining before he got hurt too.
That lineup is fine if it plays every day, and if everyone in it hits their career numbers. But neither of those things will happen. And when they don’t happen, Beltran won’t be enough to compensate.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Buster is pretty healthy. Sanchez is made out of porcelain.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 31, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Provided that there aren’t any lingering effects, sure. Do we know whether there will be?
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Did you watch the video of him catching? He didn’t look at all uncomfortable in the squat and reportedly is running at 90 – 100% right now, so I think the alarmism regarding his recovery by next spring is a bit overblown. Although, one never knows, I suppose.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 31, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
There's no alarmism
He certainly looks like he’s healthy now, and will likely look healthy in the spring. But catchers get hurt all the time – especially ones that have been hurt before. I think it’s very dangerous for the Giants to just assume he’ll be good.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
except
he had a 5.3 oWAR season (2000) after being injured in 1999.
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Sorry
my blog rage split over into friendly fire.
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Oh, yeah, I'm expecting him to be fine for next year
But I don’t know whether that injury will recur.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
the question for buster
is the long term…he may have been a catcher for 10 years before injuries…probably 5-6 now. Still shouldn’t affect him offensively.
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But with a team with a $130 million payroll ($33 million of which remains with Rowand and Zito) to expect that the Giants will have depth in the positions.
I don’t expect anyone to have career years?
CF: Torres (or someone else) cannot do worse than Torres/Rowand combo
Sanchez: Made out of porcelain but Fontenot is a good backup
Panda: reasonable to expect WAR 4-5
Betlran: reasonable to expect WAR 3-4
Buster: WAR 3-4
Huff/Belt: at least 2 WAR combined
Nate: 2 WAR
SS: 0.5 to 1.
Not the tops in the league but should at least be league average or above.
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He had a 1.5 oWAR last year in 362 PAs. He had a 112 OPS+ last year and about career average for BABIP
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Oh, you have half a season worth of data to back up the assertions you pulled from thin air?!
Why didn’t you say so?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Seriously
you just love busting me today…
Nate: oWAR 1-2…
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also…it’s just a prediction…I mean there was no way to predict that Torres would be a 3.1 oWAR guy in 2010 or that Huff would have 4.5 oWAR in 2010 and then 0.1 oWAR last year.
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With regular PT, he's establishing himself as a .750 OPS guy with outstanding RF defense
If you look at last season and 2010 before he got hurt, he’s proving to be a pretty decent player. A 1.5 – 2 WAR season doesn’t seem pie in the sky to me.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
It's not pie in the sky, but I wouldn't pencil it in either, and it's not something I would depend on when building my team.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Don’t you mean more like ‘pen it in’? Penciling in is something you do for things that might change in the future. So that it’s easy to change them.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 31, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
/tattoos NATE THE GREAT
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 31, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Penis it in?
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Mightier.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 31, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Y’know, a guy did that one time.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 31, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
The Giants are not the Yankees
You cannot plug every potential weakness on the team. Heck there are two glaring weakness (CF/SS) already without going into the potential issues.
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They could pretty easily plug most of their weaknesses with just one guy.
This whole discussion is off the point, incidentally.
I claimed that getting Beltran alone wouldn’t be sufficient to improve the team. You said you thought it would be, in part because Nate Schierholtz could put up 2 WAR.
But where exactly is Nate Schierholtz going to play if they re-sign Beltran?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
They could pretty easily plug most of their weaknesses with just one guy.
Giants sign Godzilla to play both SS and CF.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 31, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
CAIN 4 MOTHRA
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by natteringnabob on Oct 31, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I contend it would significantly improve the team
With Beltran, the Giants go from a league-worse offense to a average offense. If you add one more guy like Reyes, the Giants should be the prohibitive favorites going into 2012 season.
My argument is not the lineup hinges upon Nate, it is that the lineup for 2012 is decent enough especially with Beltran on board.
Nate will play exact the same position that he played when Beltran was traded for…LF/RF.
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With Beltran, the Giants go from a league-worse offense to a average offense.
There is really no way that this is true at all.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
There is a way if Huff puts up decent numbers and Pablo and Buster play all year.
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But that's not because of Beltran
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I guess in that case they would probably be better than average. I don’t think Beltran is enough either but then again I’m hoping for better than average.
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after watching the pitching on display in this year's playoffs
I’m more convinced than ever that the Giants just need to hit like an average NL team. Slightly below average might even do it.
However, my interpretation of that is “spend money and get some good hitters cause the playoffs are open to you,” not “stand pat cause you can get away with being shitty.” This logic may not be popular among the decision-makers.
by Lies and Perfidy on Oct 31, 2011 1:45 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
fair enough
but he would be a pretty significant improvement
Again the point goes back to whether the signing of Beltran alone would be sufficient for this offseason to get the Giants back in the playoff and maybe the WS. I still say it does.
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I mean, it would improve the odds.
The Giants can get to the world series without Beltran. Having Beltran would improve their odds of doing it. But not by all that much, I think.
The Giants say they want to improve on the basepaths, get a leadoff type hitter, and hit better. There’s one dude who can do all that while playing the position that the Giants were worst at.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
The case for Reyes has already been made. Obviously he would be a good fit for the Giants.
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Well just because it's been made doesn't mean I'm not going to keep making it.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
With regression, the Giants go back to an average offense.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
This.
I agree with this, though it’s a bit overstated. With regression, the Giants go to a 20-24th ranked offense in the majors.
Beltran would make the team very, very good.
The Giants offense needs help even when healthy and productive, but 2011 was, in all likelihood, unsustainably bad.
That’s not an excuse for not improving the team, but I think the gap to cover is overstated.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Plus
They won it all without Good Panda and without Buster for a full season.
Add Beltran to the mix and that makes up for no Uribe and no other-worldy Huff.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
In theory, I agree
In practice, I look at the current crop of shortstops and guys who could possibly back up Buster and I think “Nope, they really are that bad.”
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by Smoke on the Water on Nov 1, 2011 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
I disagree
Posey’s good, but he’s not last-to-average good. And he’s the only impact bat who we’d return next year. Sanchez isn’t functionally much better than Fontenot, and his injury history is in question. Huff will likely be better, sure, but he’s older too. Ditto for Torres, who will be fine, but not 2010 Torres.
Going from last in offense to average is a huge improvement. Where would it come from? It won’t happen with just everyone being a lil’ bit better.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
There’s Belt, for one. There’s also not having a lineup that includes Eli/Stewart or Tejada/Cabrera/Crawford in it. Everyone thinks they’re going for a CF/leadoff type so there could be an upgrade there. And if Pablo stays healthy and Nate keeps up what he did last year and stays healthy there’s more offense.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 1, 2011 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think Crisp is going to be an upgrade over Torres.
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Also this.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Ah, but you're counting on an outside acquisition
That’s not what Solidarity said. He said that the Giants offense would become league average without any outside help, just through regression. That’s completely untrue.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I think I should probably have posted this above but the point still stands that the Giants should be better just by having people back and as long as they don’t screw the pooch free-agent wise (insert snarky comment here), the team will be infinitely better offensively than last year. Hell, my 5th grade Little League Team would hit better than last year’s Giants team
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 1, 2011 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Sure
The Giants should get better, theoretically. But there’s a long way between here and league average, and they’re not getting that much better.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
There is a general consensus that if the Giants just had a slightly above average offense that with the pitching, they’d be able to get into the playoffs (see 2010). Spending all that money on Beltran/Reyes might not be needed as such and my guess is that FO is thinking the same way too.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 1, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
The Giants will have to spend a lot of money to get to league average.
One way or another. Either this offseason or by trading assets. The guys they have now do not form a league average offensive unit.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Posey's the only impact bat we'd return next year?
If you don’t think Panda is an impact bat, I really feel sorry for you because you’ll just never be happy with anything in life.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
I think he meant “as a reinforcement.”
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Oh, never mind
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Yeah, I meant 'bat we'd return that we didn't really have last year'
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Freddy’s doubles say “hi!”.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
/Freddy sprains his jaw muscles while saying “Hi”.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 1, 2011 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Freddy Sanchez career OPS: .748
Mike Fontenot career OPS: .738
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
opportunity to repost!
Giants by wRC+:
2005: 85 (15th in NL)
2006: 87 (12th in NL)
2007: 81 (last in NL)
2008: 82 (last in NL)
2009: 81 (last in NL)
2010: 93 (seventh in NL)
2011: 83 (last in NL)
For the Giants, “regression” means “going back to being terrible.”
by Evan on Nov 1, 2011 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, see, we're going to be league average next year because of
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
thank you
Can’t ever be posted enough.
It is so damned frustrating that the choices are dead last or top 5. Just mediocre would get them in the playoffs every year the pitchers were healthy, and against the crumbs in the postseason this year they might have had a shot.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 1, 2011 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I like this wait-and-see optimism very much. I think I’ll adopt it as my approach.
The San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
I'M A GIRL
by Prussian Creole on Oct 31, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
OT
My husband is watching a German movie that is supposed to be a history of witchcraft, but has degenerated into BDSM porn.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
After taking a class in German culture in college, I have to say you’re not as far off as you might think.
The San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
I'M A GIRL
by Prussian Creole on Oct 31, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
And they have this weird thing about poop.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
On each other!
In Germany, they just do it literally.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 31, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
A history of driving vans around college campuses.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 31, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Better than a history of driving vans around playgrounds.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Nov 1, 2011 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions
What is the title of the movie? I assure you I only ask in order to avoid it in the future.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 31, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s something like “Haxon” but there are umlats and other diacritacal marks in there. It’s silent, which makes it even funnier.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Häxan! A 1922 silent film, perhaps the weirdest silent film ever made. Might have to check this one out…
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 31, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s only been unemployed for a month and this is what it has come to already.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I’m going to choose to take this as evidence that the Giants are going to spend ZILLIONS AND ZILLIONS this offseason. WORLD SERIES MONEY!
You can puncture my bubble in a couple months.
Ironic that it would take a prick to burst a kalk's bubble
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Related to my post in the last thread: Recommendations for places for beer in SF?
Only requirement is that it must be accessible by public transit or walkable from Union Square.
Sundrendy!
Toronado is pretty much the benchmark for beer….definitely accessible by public transit.
www.citybeerstore.com is located in SOMA…so also accessible.
http://www.goodbeer.com/ – Speakeasy Brewery does a happy hour on Friday nights (only!) that is certainly worthwhile. You can take the Muni-T line right past the ballpark to get there.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 31, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Anchor Brewery tour!
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 31, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
City Beer just expanded, too.
http://www.bayareacraftbeer.com/beer-news/city-beer-stores-expansion-revealed/
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Oct 31, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Now one has a fighting chance at sitting down!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 31, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, if you’re willing to make a Muni hop, Toronado is where it’s at. Good hot dogs to go along with.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Good hot dogs to go along with.
http://rosamundesausagegrill.com/ – They also have a nice new location near the 24th Street BART and while it’s not located next to the Toronado, they have quite a nice selection of beer!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 31, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I do like me some Rosamunde.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 31, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Truth. With bacon!
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Oct 31, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
The 24th street location is certainly a nicer venue. It lacks for Toronado, though.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
funny...
It’s like they tried to “go toronado” with the beer at the 24th St. location….
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 31, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
You just can’t replace the distinct smell of stale urine that defines Toronado.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Yeah they should’ve opened up at the 16th Street BART if that’s what they were going for.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 31, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Makes sense. The original Rosamunde wouldn’t be anywhere near as successful without being inside Toronado’s building.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Oct 31, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
How has no one recommended Lefty's?
All sorts of baseball memorabilia from the bar formally owned by the major leaguer, manager of the Seals, and father of baseball in Japan. Also, a nice hof brau.
"The knowledge of the game is inversely proportional to the price of the seat." ---Bill Veeck. •Read My Blarrrgh...er, um....Comic. That doesn't really come across so well when said sarcastically. The Lunatic Fringe•
by BruteSentiment on Oct 31, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep.
If I find myself in that neighborhood and suddenly in need of libations, I’ll go to the Gold Dust.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 31, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because their beer is actively uninteresting.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Oct 31, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah, well, then that's my problem.
I’m a teetotaler.
"The knowledge of the game is inversely proportional to the price of the seat." ---Bill Veeck. •Read My Blarrrgh...er, um....Comic. That doesn't really come across so well when said sarcastically. The Lunatic Fringe•
by BruteSentiment on Oct 31, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
accessible by public transit or walkable from Union Square
Pretty much everything is. North Beach is about a 15 minute walk north, Thirsty Bear is a few blocks SE of Union Square, and the 6, 71, and N will bring you to Haight St.
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I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Oct 31, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
If it weren’t for the expensiveness, I would recommend Da Flora in North Beach. Perhaps my favorite Italian joint (Venetian osteria technically) in San Francisco.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 31, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Da Flora is really, really good.
/last ate there nine or 10 years ago
"The definition of insanity is startjng Orlando Cabrera over and over again and expecting different results"--Albert Einstein
It’s been a good while for me too… it’s a special occasion place for us. One time my waitress was Pearl Harbor from Pearl Harbor and the Explosions. I think she was surprised I recognized her as such.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 31, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Interesting, never been – I’ll check it out.
My go-to’s in NB are Tomassos and Sotto Mare…
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 31, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
it's a'ight
to repeat from the other thread, go to Tony’s.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Oct 31, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
The Phoenix!
You can visit a real-live Irish Pub™!!!
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Oct 31, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
A good resource in case you're willing to take BART
Toronado is a must visit, though their tap selection can be good an bad depending on how lazy they are to put on new kegs.
Toronado as of Friday night:
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Oct 31, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Wish they would do this more often
I’ll try but I can only go so often. ;)
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Oct 31, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah, is that you posting under the Toronado handle? You need to visit Toronado more often so I can decide if I should make the trip down there :P
Last couple of times I’ve gone on lazy Sunday afternoons, 10-15 taps weren’t up so I was a little disappointed.
Probably going to visit again in late November to finally buy and try Cable Car for my birthday.
It’s me and two or three other people. None of us are actually affiliated with the bar, though, so we’re kinda useless, aside from the shots of the board when I can.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Oct 31, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
The Giants spent 9 mil for 200 pretty good plate appearances (vs. LHB), and 300 below average ones (vs. RHP).
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
OMG ROCK CENTER DEBUTS TONIGHT
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I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Whoa. He’s part of the TicketSquid mafia?
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
So... orange...
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I’m actually kinda excited for this. I secretly really enjoy those times when I’m stuck in front of the T.V. (usually while cooking) and 60 minutes or the NewsHour is all that’s on. It’s one of those little pleasure in life.
The San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
I'M A GIRL
by Prussian Creole on Oct 31, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel like the name of the show is meant to trick less intelligent 30 Rock fans into watching.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 31, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Which makes all the more sense, given that Williams is on 30 Rock half a dozen times a season.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
So really, it’s a spinoff.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 31, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
With Special Guest Ted Koppel!
The San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
I'M A GIRL
by Prussian Creole on Oct 31, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
That 30 Rock scene from last season where Brian Williams and Andrew Mitchell were hanging out at the elevator bank, mocking Liz (or maybe it was Jack) was one of the funniest scenes ever.
"The definition of insanity is startjng Orlando Cabrera over and over again and expecting different results"--Albert Einstein
I was disappointed to find out that this show isn’t about his character on 30 Rock.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Oh, geez. The line between news and entertainment is completely gone.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
It was already obliterated by the time of Jon Stewart’s takedown of Tucker Carlson in what, 2004?
“You’re on CNN. The show that leads into me is puppets making crank phone calls.”
"If it's weird, you know it's probably Wilson's." - Matt Cain
perhaps to trap people
who search rock on their DVR?
Brian Sabean: Sing His Praises To The Heavens!
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game that seems to have resurrected itself in my absence...
Thing I didn't know:
Williams is an avid fan of NASCAR.
by free f.p. #14 on Oct 31, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
My guess is that’s total BS and yet another attempt to make Brian Williams seem cool, hip, and Red State-y so you’ll watch him as opposed to whoever the hell is on the other networks
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 31, 2011 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Don’t you dare for one second imply that he is anything but genuine. I’ll end you.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
He tries to hard. Conkrite or Peter Jennings would never have hosted SNL
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 31, 2011 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
poisons trees
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
It was fun, but Brian never took the bait. :^\
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
How do celebrities not get inundated with tweets?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I tell you, it’s difficult sometimes…
Oh, you meant other celebrities.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
I’m legitimately curious. It seems like fanmail except infinitely easier to do, and hence more people would do it.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I think it depends on how much you want to be bothered. Al Roker constantly engages trolls on his Twitter, but C.J. Wilson never responds to my obvious come-ons.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
What about C.J. Cregg?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
She and I have martinis every Thursday. I love her so. Sometimes Joey Lucas joins us.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Joey Lucas is awesome.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Particularly when she just owns Josh out of nowhere.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
we're discussing group WW costumes for next year's Halloween
So far we have Josh, Toby, CJ, Joey Lucas, and Sam.
I need to find a Donna.
by Lies and Perfidy on Oct 31, 2011 8:18 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
And a President, perhaps?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
show up in Seattle and you're in.
by Lies and Perfidy on Oct 31, 2011 8:20 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Maybe. We’re pondering going without a president because nobody has that much gravitas.
by Lies and Perfidy on Oct 31, 2011 8:21 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Warning: Actual baseball-related content!
I just posted this in one of the FanPost threads, but figured I’d copy it here.
Elias Free Agent Rankings are out on MLBTradeRumors. Relevant names below:
Type A:
Carlos Beltran (cannot be offered arbitration)
Michael Cuddyer, Twins
Josh Willingham, A’s
Jose Reyes, Mets
Jimmy Rollins, Phillies
Type B:
Cody Ross
Pat Burrell
Alex Gonzalez, Braves
Jason Kubel, Twins
Raul Ibanez, Phillies
David DeJesus, A’s
Ryan Ludwick, Pirates
Yuniesky Betancourt, Brewers
Rafael Furcal, Cardinals
Clint Barmes, Astros
Kinda want Furcal. Do not want Barmes.
Betancourt really, really feels like a Giant already.
Ask me about my blog.
Agreed on Furcal. Agreed that Betancourt is a foregone conclusion.
by free f.p. #14 on Oct 31, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
It is a done deal.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 31, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
He’ll be a great table-setter for Foul Ibanez!
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Oct 31, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Alex Gonazalez might be a cheap 1 year option at SS if we can’t get Rollins. The problem with Furcal is that he plays so few games each year and he’s almost sure to get a 2 year deal.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Chilean?
Aren’t they on the protected species list?
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Chilean Sea Bass’s real name = Patagonian Toothfish
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
OT interesting
I googled “seafood euphemisms” and got a whole lot of links about euphemisms for vaginas and vulvas.
I rhyme with freak.
VULVAS ARE VERY SAFE CARS
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 31, 2011 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions
The one who is basically old Brandon Crawford +dingerz.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Alex Gonzalez is available?
We should get that guy.
I’ll say it right now: he’s my preferred 2012 Giants shortstop on the market, or otherwise.
YOURE RIGHT HES PERFECT!
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 1, 2011 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Guys who are worth losing a first round pick to sign:
Rollins, Reyes.
DO NOT SIGN WILLINGHAM OR CUDDYER IF THEY ARE OFFERED ARB.
If you want a Willingham or Cuddyer type player, just sign Kubel. He’s slightly worse, but you get to keep your draft pick.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I don't want Kubel anywhere near the Giants OF.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
Unless he is playing for the Dodgers.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
+1
I’m terrified that Sabes is in love with Willingham.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
pretty much this
sadly. If Kubel were a righty that would be pretty OK.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Oct 31, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
What is lost
“if” the Giants are going to add payroll and go after big names
“then” they would not benefit from telling anyone about it
Keeping their demands low key can only possibly help their end price. Telling everyone will only possibly jack it up.
Strategery...?
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
I hope this is the case.
If we come out on the other side of the offseason with Beltran and Reyes, I’ll take back all I’ve said and will say about the cheap owners and the improper allocation of resources.
Big if, though.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
You would be happy with just Reyes
And you know it
by Myemail21479 on Oct 31, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm with the grougthink here
Okay to good moves if we add a bat or two, shitty moves if we don’t and then plead poverty. I also wouldn’t mind either of em being dangled as trade bait late in the offseason.
by Lies and Perfidy on Oct 31, 2011 1:15 PM PDT via iPhone app reply actions
I am OK with these deals provided that we don't sign Yuniesky Betancourt
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
/Giants re-sign Cabrera
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 31, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Clankmittery+ Dingers = Giants winner on the cheaps
by Myemail21479 on Oct 31, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Pablo and Beltran Gold Glove nominees
Did they always have a set of finalists?
ESPN2 to Televise First-Ever Rawlings Gold Glove Awards Show
by rightcenterfielder on Oct 31, 2011 1:24 PM PDT reply actions
The fact that Beltran is nominated for a Gold Glove typifies why the award is given to best offensive player who can catch a ball without falling down.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
One of the other two nominees is Andre Ethier, WTF?
Andre Ethier should have been moved to first base several years ago.
What’s Jay Bruce’s defense like? I’m pretty sure that he got that for his bat, of course.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Other outfield nominees for Gold Glove
Matt Kemp (WTF), Ryan Braun (LOLOLOLOL)
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
There are five Dodgers nominated in all: Kershaw, Kuroda, Loney, Kemp, Ethier
Daniel Descalso is a nominee at third base, where he started all of 53 games. Placido Polanco will probably win that by default.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Descalso: Aggie FTW!
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
Which bodes well for Sandoval.
Like, Daniel Descalso?
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I thought it was Joe Buck who looked like a peanut.
Maybe it’s both of them? Maybe they’re related — and maybe it’s a big secret that nobody knows and we’ve somehow stumbled onto the mystery of the decade and we need to alert the media right away! Where’s Letter2 — let’s get this on NPR tomorrow morning!!
Or it might be I haven’t had enough candy and need to eat lots more.
by mrs. owlcroft on Nov 1, 2011 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Pretty sure this is the first time they're doing that
But Pablo being nominated for Gold Glove is awesome. I figured he would be excluded just because he’s fat. He definitely deserves it.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Guest presenters Omar Vizquel (11-time Gold Glove winner) and Mike Matheny (four-time winner) will join ESPN Baseball Tonight analysts during the show.
This makes me want to watch it.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
I want to hear them criticize the rewarding of offensive prowess.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 31, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Now they can get “nominated for Gold Glove” awards written into their contracts!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 31, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
available free agent left handed relievers
Mike Gonzalez (34)
John Grabow (33)
Damaso Marte (37)
Trever Miller (39)
Darren Oliver (41) – Type A
Arthur Rhodes (41) – Type B
J.C. Romero (36)
George Sherrill (35)
Brian Tallet (34)
I think keeping Affeldt and Lopez were good moves. They probably would have been the best guys on the market.
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
Flags Fly Forever
"Orlando before Zod" doesn't have the same nice ring to it.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 31, 2011 1:24 PM PDT reply actions
Smart teams don’t use the market for free agents.
Also, holy shit, Darren Oliver is a Type A? There’s no way he doesn’t accept arbitration.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
There's no way he's offered it.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Unbelievable
Darren Oliver (41) – Type A
If there ever was a slamdunk argument for revamping the Elias Ranking system this should be exhibit #1.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
hahaha
/Darren Oliver signs with Giants
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Oct 31, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
God, remember how Bonds would just feast on Sherrill? Good times.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Got bit. Fever hit. World gone to shit. Might as well quit.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
That was so creepy. Best part of the episode.
They should really stop with the philosophical discussions, they’re boring and don’t help with the characterizations. The actors seem competent enough to convey character with body language and vocal tone without the need for speechifying.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
SPOILERZ
I was happy to see Glenn get more time. I’d like for him not to get eaten. And the new girl seems to like him.
At least they broke up the rhetoric with the high school scenes.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
My husband was rooting for Glenn to get something going with the doctor’s daughter.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Glenn and Darryl should have their own show.
by Natto on Oct 31, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Let’s go out into the woods in the dark to look for her. No big deal. Also, let’s hang on to this broken down RV when there are acres of other options to choose from.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Between her missing and Carl shot, I figured they were clearing the deck of children.
Kids that age and this kind of TV show don’t really mix (see Walt from Lost).
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
Isn’t this the comic series where the zombies sodomize that couple while eating their children? I saw it on scans daily a long time ago.
I rhyme with freak.
I meant because they grow up too fast for the series time line, not because it's fucked up.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
Oh yeah, I got that
I was just suggesting how to get rid of the children in the storyline.
I rhyme with freak.
Bonds feasted on everyone.
Ron Paul 2012
by GovernorStephCurry on Oct 31, 2011 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow!
After seeing this list, I agree and I’m much more comfortable with the signings of both Lopez and Affeldt
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
I mean, they threw away their best prospect for a rental just two months ago.
What’s an overpay of $2-3 million compared to that?
Beltran is the new Freddy.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Just like Beltran is a better player than Freddy.
Also older, and perhaps just as porcelain-tacular.
See dregarx’s comment below.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
They overpaid for Affeldt.
But I suspect they’ll rework that into a two-year deal at some savings for 2012. Sabean just wanted to lock down the left side of the pen, knowing that he had nothing in the farm to replace these guys with.
Responsible for the last great homegrown Giants team.
I forgot to mention my lunch with Harvard Forester. I had a great time. He’s smart and funny, artistically inclined and pretty darn cute. He tried to make a sweet tea joke at the beginning of the meal, but I shut him down in rapid fashion. He didn’t run screaming from the venue when I mentioned my fascination with the Today program, so I think we’re on solid ground here.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Glad it went well. Any future get-togethers planned?
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
We put him up to the sweet tea joke. We’ll leave you alone now.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
His notes: ‘oddly defensive about sweet tea’
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 31, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey, that’s good news.
Thread jack: TL2, maybe you can help answer this question. I was watching CBS last night and I saw an ad for a show on PBS. I’d never seen this before. Has PBS been advertising on the commercial networks for a while? How does a non-commercial public television network justify spending money to promote itself on commercial TV?
"The definition of insanity is startjng Orlando Cabrera over and over again and expecting different results"--Albert Einstein
I did not see that ad. What was it for?
I know PBS will often buy underwriting time on NPR to promote its more significant offerings, but I’ve not heard of PBS promotions on the commercial networks. I can’t explain that. But I’d be happy to look into it for you.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
It was some show about Space, a la Cosmos. I was just totally gobsmacked to see it randomly promoted on CBS.
"The definition of insanity is startjng Orlando Cabrera over and over again and expecting different results"--Albert Einstein
Oh, it must be Brian Greene’s new miniseries The Fabric of the Cosmos. I know it’s something the network wants to draw a lot of attention to, but I’ve never heard of it buying time on a commercial outlet. I guess if they’ve got the money, there’s no rule against it.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Oh, wait, you said “pretty darn.” Is that Javi Lopez cute or (shudder) galooty cute?
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I guess the closest Giants analogy is a skinny Cody Ross.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
That is, shaved head, black eye makeup, and killer smile.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
Nix the eyeblack and give him a guitar. There.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
He was kind of cranky the other night. Maybe he needs a rest from the McC.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Awesome socks?
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 31, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Drat. I should have asked.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Whoa. That’s not a talk for a first date. Take your time, take it slow.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 31, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Pie or cake? Rush or no Rush? Dogs or cats?
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
He seems to know a little about it. I think he’s more a football (American) guy.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Dump him
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
by ResDog on Oct 31, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
We’re not even technically dating yet!
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
DUMP HIM!
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
I disagree. There’s nothing necessarily wrong with a guy who likes football and there’s always the possibility that he might become a baseball fan – he just needs the right guy to teach him.
The San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
I'M A GIRL
by Prussian Creole on Oct 31, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
AND WE JUST MET FOUR HOURS AGO
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
And you already have to fix him!
I’m just joshin
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
Seriously, tho
I have dated men who don’t like sports and it’s bad. Sneaking around to watch baseball doesn’t make it sexier.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
At least it’s the offseason. Others read, go on vacation, take on odd jobs around the house. TL2 dates men who hate baseball. We all need to fill the time.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
I didn’t say he hated baseball! I’m just not sure how much he is into it.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
He’s probably not even a Giants fan. I don’t like him.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Probably a Red Sox fan.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
He’s one of those guys who thinks baseball is boring because “nothing ever happens”, while waiting for the umpteenth play review in NFL is just okay
I rhyme with freak.
I’m never talking about this again.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
A little of both.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I want to follow them in my car, so if this guy tries anything on the first date I can kill him.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 31, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
This is going to be the most embarrassing prom ever.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
More embarrassing than the one where Seth got high and Summer got drunk and fell off the pirate ship?
I rhyme with freak.
Fair point, but Seth and Summer didn’t have ten internet strangers threatening their dates. Dates who are perfectly nice guys, by the way.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
That is true. Weird.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
I think I’ll be the judge of that, thank you very much.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 31, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you see me moving in with him?
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
U-HaulsSubaru Outbacks appear everywhere every day where I live.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 31, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
U-Hauls Subaru OutbacksFixies appear everywhere every day where I live.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
I don’t know what any of this means. I’m way behind in my stereotypes, I guess.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 31, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Tell him you need space. He’s smothering you.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
MCC: The Place Where Broken People Go to Die
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
by TheLetter2 on Oct 31, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
MCC: The Place Where Broken People Go to Die Rosterbate, Waste Time and Whine
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I AM MERELY MILDLY SPRAINED!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 31, 2011 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions
We’re getting to all that.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
OT - Buck and McCarver
From an audiophile board where I also waste time:

One way or another, this darkness got to give.
suretyguy
Can’t have a message board without at least a few attorneys!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 31, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
seriously though
what the hell was that noise? It was really annoying me.
The first six innings are overrated.
I wrote on Grant's wall.
I would sing the song, but I can’t afford to pay the royalties.
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
Wait
Am I allowed to bitch about Sabean again? I forget. Ah, hell, I’ll wait until after football season.
Uh, something good about this move… uh… better $9M on 2 two reasonable players that might be something of an overpay than $9 on a bad player!
Brian Sabean: Sing His Praises To The Heavens!
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game that seems to have resurrected itself in my absence...
IIRC, Affeldt did pretty well in closer situations
which may be necessary, depending on what happens with Wilson and his beard arm.
If that’s the case, then that part of the deal could look better.
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
That’s the rumor I read, that the FO doesn’t know if Wilson will be healthy so Affeldt was signed mainly as Plan B. As for Romo, his role as setup guy and setup guy only has always been a mystery and something that makes people wonder if he’s not physically up to it, especially his arm.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 31, 2011 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I suspect
that his trick knee remains a concern for the club.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
He had some arm issues as well
i think his durability is definitely in question. Ithink they see hm as a gun that is deadly and devastating but takes a little longer to cool down and re-load. You have to use him wisely.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
There goes Goofus talking about his penis again.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 1, 2011 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, like a gun
I have to be careful cleaning it or it’s likely to shoot
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
I just saw an advertisement for the latest in Snuggie-type products: now, you can zip it closed in front, and it has separate enclosures for your legs and arms! So now, you can walk and hold things!
/see: tracksuit/pajamas
I rhyme with freak.
It’s basically a onsie
The San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
I'M A GIRL
by Prussian Creole on Oct 31, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Will it match my Pajamajeans?
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 31, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Is there a hole for my weiner to hang out?
Big Ed needs some air from time to time
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
So there was a dude at the counter today wanting to know how to appeal a conviction of some city ordinance he got while doing some civil disobedience related to “smart meters.” He says they make him sick and PG&E won’t take his down.
I suppose it’s possible that EMF makes certain people sick.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
That’s OK, if they get their way for only $200 down and $25 per month they’ll deactivate it and send a meter reader. Like they do now, only they’ll make $300 per year per meter.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Oct 31, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
Don’t get it.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Oct 31, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
TYPICAL CALIFORNIA HANDOUTS
He supports himself through a combination of state aid, sign sponsorships, and small donations from his supporters.
Emphasis mine.
And really — you’ve got to be shitting me. The state pays him to do this?
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Huh.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Oct 31, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, yeah, but that’s my favorite single-member voting system and I don’t like it when it’s made fun of.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
I HATE IT
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 31, 2011 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
…and the old system never delivered unexpected or shitty results?
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
I don’t care! The guy with the most votes wins, ipso con facto de the loquitur in valium est!
Otherwise you end up with Shakespeare in Love winning, or the 2009 NL Cy Young results!
I rhyme with freak.
Yeah, see, the only problem with that line of reasoning is that it’s undemocratic. Why should one guy be elected when most people preferred the other guy?
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
If there are only two candidates, then there’s no difference between the two systems.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Gentlemen, gentlemen. We’ll all move. It’s a beautiful, flat state.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
I’ve been considering my long-term desires lately and have been trying to find a place, on the coast, where it never gets too hot, with reasonably good services, and no dreadlocked vegan hippies. I don’t think that exists in North America.
I rhyme with freak.
The problem is that dreadlocked vegan hippies like the same places as you.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
EXACTLY. ugh. Why can’t they stay in the same little church towns in Kansas where their parents raised them so strictly and with such disastrous results?
I rhyme with freak.
Santa Barbara. SLO?
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 1, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
My road trip earlier this year
Taught me that the gungy hippie types are pretty much everywhere along the coast.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 1, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
hmm
I’d have thought SB was way too pricey despite the inevitable student housing influence. Maybe you all are including old hippies (as memorialized in song) too.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 1, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m trying to think of a place, and you may be right. But I love the Gulf Coast, and much of its is hippie-free.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Too warm, too many hurricanes, and, while I try to pretend otherwise, the truth is, I’m not white.
I rhyme with freak.
I mean, I been there, before Katrina destroyed everything, and it’s beautiful, but, you know, it feels a little … weird.
I rhyme with freak.
I always liked it, but you know. Different strokes and all.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
I prefer the breast stroke.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I cannot handle humidity. I basically never want to go outside when it is humid. So sadly much of the East Coast is a no-go for me.
by WhatsAMataHari on Oct 31, 2011 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I have heard Santa Barbara is nice.
That is where my Dad is planning on retiring
by WhatsAMataHari on Oct 31, 2011 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, I bet that would be lovely.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
A villa in Montecito would be nice, but the UCSB people are even worse — rich, entitled dreadlocked hippies.
I rhyme with freak.
As an ‘SB grad, I’m offended. I never wore dreadlocks
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Nov 1, 2011 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ll move to Oklahoma and vote in California by mail.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 31, 2011 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions
What if I define democracy in terms of ‘one man, one vote’, and not ‘one man, many nuanced layers of preference’?
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 31, 2011 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions
That makes no sense
Take the new system that we’re going to use in California going forward. Let’s say that the candidate for Governor that someone prefers doesn’t place in the top two in the primary and as a result doesn’t get a spot in the general election. Are you saying that that person shouldn’t get to vote in the general election between the two candidates just because they might have wanted someone else?
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
I’m specifically thinking of this weird election result, incidentally: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audie_Bock
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Shouldn’t he be holding her above his head?
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 31, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
What can I say? I’m in it for the upskirt.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 31, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
See, I'm thinking this ensemble is missing a broom handle
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Please Barry, Please, PLEASE do the right thing
Aubrey HuffBarry Zito goes Gil Meche and retires for the good of the team
by betterthanbochy on Oct 31, 2011 2:49 PM PDT reply actions
I’ve always wondered: if a player retires, he doesn’t get the rest of the money?
I rhyme with freak.
No
He breaches his contract.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Oct 31, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
gasp
But if a player is cut — fired — he’s entitled to the rest of the contracted money?
I rhyme with freak.
And (I believe) if a team picks him up they are only on the hook for the league minimum while his original team has to pay the difference.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
So then there’s no incentive to quit “for the good of the team,” other than pure altruism.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Or if you've made enough money and just aren't enjoying the game anymore
I wouldn’t be utterly, completely surprised if this happened with Zeets at some point. He doesn’t seem particularly happy and after he’s made $100 million, there might not be much reason to continue.
It also might turn into a “who blinks first” affari, where Barry wouldn’t quit because he thinks the team will release him, and vice versa.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
It also might turn into a "who blinks first" affair, where Barry wouldn’t quit because he thinks the team will release him, and vice versa.
SAN DIEGAN STANDOFF
But this assumes Barry’s been smart and pocketed most of the money. If not, he could (and I know this sounds stupid, I know it does) need the money.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Good Lord
He’s earned $98 million in his career (with his current contract guaranteeing him $36M more). After taxes and agent’s cut, he’s still cleared over $50 million. I really hope he’s not stupid enough to not be set for life.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
Me too. I just worry about him. He’s such a nice boy. Just misunderstood.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
He is probably over invested in his avocado orchards
by WhatsAMataHari on Oct 31, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
And his dream of franchising his "Omlettecado" restaurant chain wilted in the recession
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
He doesn’t seem the sort of person who would be very stupid with money, although I suppose you can never really know.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
2 LEGIT 2 BE REACHABLE IN BANKRUPTCY COURT
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 1, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Kelly Shoppach for backup catcher!
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/10/rays-exercise-farnsworths-option-decline-shoppachs.html
The Rays exercised Kyle Farnsworth’s 2012 option while declining Kelly Shoppach’s, according to the Tampa Tribune (on Twitter). Farnsworth obtains a $3.3MM salary instead of a $650K buyout and Shoppach obtains a $300K buyout instead of a $3.2MM salary.
on the Sizemore front:
linkage material
CLEVELAND, Ohio — Here are some quick-hit topics, some from GM Chris Antonetti, regarding the decisions on Grady Sizemore and Fausto Carmona’s options for 2012 and the acquisition of veteran right-hander Derek Lowe from Atlanta.
-Antonetti visited Sizemore at his home in Scottsdale, Ariz., on Thursday to tell him the Indians were going to decline his $9 club option for 2012 and make him a free agent.
-Antonetti said it was a "very difficult’ decision not to pick up Sizemore’s contract, but in the end he felt there were better ways to spent that money so the Indians were a better team in 2012.
-The Indians are expected to pursue a "quality outfielder’ to replace Sizemore through trade or free agency.
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
BELT 4 SIZEMORE
The first six innings are overrated.
We’ll GIVE you Aubrey Huff, Cleveland. We ask for nothing* in return.
*nothing=Shin-Soo Choo
"The definition of insanity is startjng Orlando Cabrera over and over again and expecting different results"--Albert Einstein
I also read
They are open to resign Sizemore for less than the 9 mil.
I would like the Giants to give him say 5 mil, + 3-5 in bonuses for benchmarks and a club option for like 12 million with 1 mil buyout. Never know, he is likely to want a make good contract somewhere, why not give him a nice ceiling to hit, without risking it all up front.
by Myemail21479 on Oct 31, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Great incentive to play for a good contract next year
Doesn’t block Brown in 2013. I am okay with this.
It’s not for trash-talking or spamming purposes. It’s sort of an interesting read on how the Dodgers could still have a good team even with a significantly lower payroll trough some crazy trades. A lot of them might not work, but it’s rosterbstion at it’s finest.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Oct 31, 2011 3:17 PM PDT reply actions
WRONG
Bordeaux.
The first six innings are overrated.
You like the truffles??? huh. I’m a nuts and chews guy. I like nuts and things I can chew.
I rhyme with freak.
I like both, but the bordeaux are by far the best.
Also, I WILL NOT FALL INTO YOUR INNUENDO TRAP.
The first six innings are overrated.
Quick! Talk about the blue M&Ms in that bag today!
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
I got a bag of M&M’s and I opened it and poured them out and most of them were blue! :D
I rhyme with freak.
I seriously am happy for you. I like the little things in life. Stuff like that can make your day.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
WOOOO DISPROPORTIONATE AMOUNT OF MARSHMALLOWS IN MY LUCKY CHARMS
The first six innings are overrated.
When I went to lunch today, the sweet tea was particularly sweet and I was all, “THIS IS THE BEST TEA HOLY SHIT.” Y’know. Little stuff.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
How was the McRib sandwich?
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Oct 31, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
We went to a nice place, thank you.
McRibs are for the serious candidates.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Did you get unlimited soup with your meal, or just the unlimited salad? Were the breadsticks delicious??
The first six innings are overrated.
See, now that would have been funny. SnuggleEx works at the Garden.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
You didn’t know that? I thought I mentioned it.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
No. He has a master’s in clinical psych, but he can’t find a job, so he waits tables at the OG.
When he’s not crushing people’s hearts in his bare hands, that is.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Sorry about the psych thing, the missus rattled around for a few years before ending up a school psychologist. It’s a tough industry here.
However, it is popular on immigration lists, so if you want to go work for the other, better ABC, or RTE or some such, a civil union and you’re on your way! Actually maybe not RTE.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 1, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Ah, Clowe and Prust.
Clowe needs to stop fighting. He is actually a good player who should focus on spending more time on the ice and less in the box.
by WhatsAMataHari on Oct 31, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
still hate this
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
i could live with one
but not both
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
My thoughts while watching Three's Company
by WhatsAMataHari on Oct 31, 2011 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly
Having Mr. Furley and Mr. Roper at the same time would have been too much even by sitcom standards.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 31, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
also did anyone hear Kruk on murph and mac this morning?
claiming Lopez can get out righties too! I laughed! I cried!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Sure, he can get out righties. But only about 20% of the time.
"The definition of insanity is startjng Orlando Cabrera over and over again and expecting different results"--Albert Einstein
More like 62% of the time…which still isn’t very good.
"If it's weird, you know it's probably Wilson's." - Matt Cain
About half as well as Sergio Romo!
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Wow
Romo gets righties out 124% of the time?
I knew he was awesome, but…
"If it's weird, you know it's probably Wilson's." - Matt Cain
He already has struck out batters next season.
by WhatsAMataHari on Oct 31, 2011 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
imprecise reply
Righties have about twice the OPS against Lopez as against Romo.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Sounds good. For every four righties Romo faces (and gets out), the next righty in the lineup is automatically out. That’s 125%, but close enough.
by non sequitur on Oct 31, 2011 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
You mean our ROOGY?
LOL us.
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Oct 31, 2011 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
There might be some legitimate durability issues with him, to be fair
But it doesn’t mean he should only pitch to right-handers because that makes no fucking sense.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
I know he can get the job but can he DO the job?
by Monkeyking42 on Oct 31, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
No real surprise to hear Krukow overestimating a pitcher’s skills.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 31, 2011 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Never Forget:
This is the same management team that would prefer to start guys like Aaron Rowand and Miguel Cabrera vs ANY alternative because LHP/RHP match-up is the single greatest determining factor in the outcome of an at bat … right guys? Guys?
I mean… it’s a 6.1% (LHP) to 8.6% (RHP) run differential. I haven’t done the math, nor am I likely to, but I don’t imagine this equates to all that many wins in a year when you are talking about a clearly inferior batter on an already challenged offense.
From a pitching perspective, I can see where that might equate to a few one-run games a year. If we assume the offense will remain almost identical to 2011, then it makes a fair bit of sense to try to squeeze out the 3-5 games in a season that those numbers may equate to…
…crap. I think I just predicted the Giants front office team model for 2012.
If one assumes Sanchez & Posey will help carry the offense back to just enough runs and Belt or Crawford matures… then you assume we get a tier 2 leadoff guy like Crisp.
Yes, it all begins to make a horrifying sort of sense.
To be fair, I’d start Miguel Cabrera vs. any alternative too.
by Monkeyking42 on Oct 31, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Bah
Orlando Cabrera / Miguel Tejada
My PTSD with those two has reached a point at which I combine the names into a real player. I think it’s partly to get the awful thought over faster and then to disguise what I was thinking at all on the back end.
he will not be returning to the bay area, but Rollins will.
Pitching and defense wins championships, but oh those dingerz....
There’s a shocker.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Oct 31, 2011 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Everyone knew he would re-sign with them
but I figured he was gonna make them sweat it out more and let some other teams bid on him.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
He also would have run the risk of not getting any offers and the Yankees reducing their price. He’s happy in NY, and most teams are not going to want to get in a price war with the Yankees for a player they know wants to be a Yankee.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
by rxmeister on Oct 31, 2011 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think the Rangers would have been willing to throw some dollars at him.
But also the Yankees need him, if they were to reduce their price they run the risk of him taking a lower pay somewhere else as well.
It’s a back and forth.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Rumor has it, the Rangers are going to be throwing money at Prince Fielder after CJ Wilson leaves.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
You can never have enough 10-9 games
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 31, 2011 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions
True, but they are looking gassed to me
by WhatsAMataHari on Oct 31, 2011 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
they sound gassed?
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Belsen was a gas?
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 31, 2011 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
hi
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Mayor of Smug.
Good evening. I trust the British Isles are in good and working order.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
yo
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Oct 31, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I spent the last week drinking the fuck out of some delicious cask ales. Just wanted you to know that.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Mayor of Smug.
So what you’re saying is there are a trail of fuckless cask ales strewn about Britannia?
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 31, 2011 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
OMG GRANT STOLE MY GIMMICK!!!!!!1!!!!!!1!!!!!
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Jose Reyes?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Reyes or [Carlos] Beltra, we would have been without [Jeremy] Affeldt, [Javier] Lopez, [Guillermo] Mota, [Aubrey] Huff, [Yuniesky] Betancourt, [Pedro] Feliz, [Jeff] Keppinger, and [Rick] Ankiel—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I’ve ever attended.
by jcb9 on Oct 30, 2011 3:27 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
and in other news, my kids were Mario and Luigi for Halloween
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
I saw a few of those
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Oct 31, 2011 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Same with bunnies
And cats
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Oct 31, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
/is offended
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 31, 2011 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions
(Luigi needs to find a mushroom, obviously)
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
That’s a laaaaaaaaaaawng driveway.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 31, 2011 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Front lawns aplenty in that neighborhood.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Good thoughts, except I am not so sure I can believe that meetings of this nature are actually taking place:
meetings where they’re strategizing about how to contend for the next three years
by ExPFCWintergreen on Oct 31, 2011 5:19 PM PDT reply actions
PSA
Oh dear Zeus… if you are in Sac and wanting to head ….well….anywhere east of here on 80….for-fucking-get it.
Big accident on the causeway.
HOW THE HELL DO PEOPLE GET INTO ACCIDENTS ON THE CAUSEWAY?
THERE ARE NO RAMPS
NO MERGES
JUST DRIVE YOU BONEHEADS!
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
crap, west of here – meh the whole damn freeway is fucked up, stay home!
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
http://www.sigalert.com/Map.asp?region=Sacramento#lat=38.59476&lon=-121.52697&z=0
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
People just randomly stop and/or slow down on the causeway for no apparent reason. It just comes to a complete halt with, as you say, no ramps and no merges. I will never understand it, but I am not surprised there was a huge accident.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
Because if you drive 90 in the far right lane you can pass everyone, until there’s a car and you zoom across all lanes to the far left lane!
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Oct 31, 2011 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Generally
means that they’re tired no?
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
And since the Sharks have a TERRIBLE Penalty Kill for whatever reason, it seems like every dumb penalty like that = an automatic goal.
by WhatsAMataHari on Oct 31, 2011 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
CC says he's returning to the Yankees
Two days ago, Jon Heyman said CC was going to opt out and become a free agent.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Jon Heyman is not a reliable source.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I don’t know why anyone ever even suggested it.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Oct 31, 2011 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
make that 5-2
stick a fork in them. I think they are done for the night.
by WhatsAMataHari on Oct 31, 2011 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
won 5 in a row…not bad
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Totally true. But I wish they weren’t losing in such a sorry way.
by WhatsAMataHari on Oct 31, 2011 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
We’re still in the 1st period, maybe our game will go better.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Enjoy the first half of the game. Then turn it off when it is tied.
by WhatsAMataHari on Oct 31, 2011 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
It seems like when a Sharks game isn't aired on CSN
They just completely fall apart. Weird coincidence.
Yeah. Versus is no bueno for the Sharks. They need Randy and Drew to perform
by WhatsAMataHari on Oct 31, 2011 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha
So Jecht is just some drunk guy that they dragged out of jail.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 31, 2011 5:46 PM PDT reply actions
Not necessarily related, but here were some (well, a lot of ) parts of X that were kind of ridiculous after I played through it again
I was laughing at the blues music that was playing in the background during the Jecht flashbacks
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 31, 2011 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions
the laughing scene
oh god the laughing scene
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
HA HA HA HA HA
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 31, 2011 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions
And then its revenge in FFXII
I’M CAPTAIN BASCH VON RONSENBURG OF DALMASCA!
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
You wouldn’t think just sitting in a car driving for 4.5 hours would make you want to go all Rip van Winkle for the rest of the evening but geeeeeeeeeeeeeez.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
sorry dude
I need at least an hour to come back from such. Hope you didn’t get mauled in commute traffic getting out of here.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 1, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
On the way there we were fortunate enough to get caught up in the bay bridge hullabaloo due to someone losing a shaft of some sort off of their semi. It was one of those where 15 minutes earlier, we mighta missed the whole thing, 15 minutes later we’d still be sitting on 80 in Emeryville.
On the way back there was something all over the freeway near Candlestick, and that huge crash on 80 going in the other direction, but everybody had to slow to take a look.
I had the WRX so I could vroooom when I wanted to so that made it nice.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Survivable, then. But death to rubberneckers. YOUR GETTING IN AN ACCIDENT ON THIS SIDE OF THE FREEWAY WILL NOT AID ANYONE ON THAT SIDE OF THE FREEWAY.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 1, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
It WAS pretty bad…. and seemed to have just happened as there were two fire engines and an ambulance on scene and two trucks and another ambulance in route. There was one car IN the median, in the shrubbery airbag deployed and another smushed into the median concrete divider dealie, and then many people wandering around. Seeing people in the median on the freeway is probably enough of a “what the fuck” to cause people to slow down pretty good.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
The Next Iron Chef was fun.
now that I finally got to watch it.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I think this season is going to be the best yet.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
They really do
plus there are already some well known built in rivalries.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Yeah everything they did yesterday was pretty impressive
Plus I have a few rooting interests. I’m in.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Apparently loud, terrible, obnoxious christian rock scares away spirits?
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Oct 31, 2011 6:13 PM PDT reply actions
Apparently loud, terrible, obnoxious christian rock scares away spirits everything?
Adopted Giant: Mike Fontenot
He's like Grant, but fun size.
Occasionally, I tweet.
CELEBRATE JESUSWEEN
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
i thought this was related to the band ween at first
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
BY HIS STRYPES WE ARE DEAFENED
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 1, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
They look not good. But it is the end of a long winning road trip so maybe I should cut them some slack. Nah. Stupid Sharks.
by WhatsAMataHari on Oct 31, 2011 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m too lazy to look it up…. is this their longest road trip of the season?
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I will look it up, but I doubt it. They always have that month long one in like February when the HP Pavilion is being used for the SAP open
by WhatsAMataHari on Oct 31, 2011 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I really want to go to that tournament this year. I keep blowing it off, but there’s always a few really good players.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Booo.
I want to go too, but I am afraid that it might be only players I don’t care about this year.
by WhatsAMataHari on Oct 31, 2011 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I was right. They have a 9 game one February 12-26.
by WhatsAMataHari on Oct 31, 2011 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions
This 5 gamer is their second longest road trip. But they do have a 4 game one in January
by WhatsAMataHari on Oct 31, 2011 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh Jumbo burn.
Thornton calls Rangers the softest team Sharks played on their road trip, and they should have won. And no, they don’t play again.
by WhatsAMataHari on Oct 31, 2011 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Apparently he said it to the CSN people in the post game interview
by WhatsAMataHari on Oct 31, 2011 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions
UNTIL THE STANLEY CUP FINALS MIRITE
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I called my wife and informed her that I wish to exercise my husband option tonight. Apparently it is a mutual option and she wishes to decline, instead giving me the buyout.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
SHUT UP BYRNES
Getting on that player for doing the Tebow saying he was mocking religion.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Only if Tebow counts as a religion now. Which he might….
by WhatsAMataHari on Oct 31, 2011 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
There is no doubt Eric Byrnes is the biggest idiot in radio.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
In Denver, it’s more popular than scientology.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 31, 2011 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Tebow’s not a religion, just merely Jesus.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 31, 2011 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions
and Barbieri doesn’t know what planking is.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
ROCK CENTER
BRIAN WILLIAMS
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
now there's a handsome man
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
NOT FOR 3 HOURS
on the right coast
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I just ate a whole hershey bar and a bag of pretzel M&Ms
it was wonderful but now i want to throw up and I can’t
I rhyme with freak.
the pretzel m&ms are good
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Oh, no. Let this be a lesson.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
I thought you wanted to lose weight.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Maybe it won’t! And if it does, you’ll work hard to use it. Because Brian Williams and I believe in you.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
That’ll do it. I’m becoming a little concerned with my carb intake recently. I realized nearly everything I eat is sweet or made of bread. And in many cases, straight up sweetened bread.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Bread is delicious. Don’t you dare disparage it.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I just admitted to eating too much of it. How is that disparaging? I love bread.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
It’s a preemptive warning, discouraging you from any such thoughts of abandoning bread. It needs us.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I miss really good baguettes and loaves. Artichoke bread is delicious. As is green onion slab.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
What kind of muffins?
Banana Nut and Blueberry are my weaknesses
by WhatsAMataHari on Oct 31, 2011 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s the irony. I pick usually “healthy” ones like carrot zucchini and bran.
Meanwhile, a 15-ounce prime rib makes no dent on me. except in pleasure. oh, my birthday dinner, prime rib, medium rare, and then this sweet potato pah…
I rhyme with freak.
Prime rib is such a letdown.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
wrong
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
you must just be having poorly made prime rib
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
You know what was disappointing in the prime rib area? House of Prime Rib. I dunno, I expected it to be more delicious. Probably expected a bit more char/color on my meat.
I rhyme with freak.
yeah i found it disappointing as well
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
They used to be really good.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
How long ago was that?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Yeah, that’s one of the places I’ve had prime rib. Give me a nice top sirloin or skirt steak any day of the weak.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Some of the best meat I’ve ever had was when my mom threw salt and pepper on a cheap steak and broiled it in the oven for like five-10 minutes.
I rhyme with freak.
Hell yes. That’s the way steak is supposed to be made.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I feel very thankful that my dad is a superb griller.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I need to decide if I would grill enough to both buy a cast iron grill pan AND take out the batteries of the fire alarms.
I rhyme with freak.
I have a cast iron grill pan. It’s a pan in the ass to clean, and I usually smoke out my guests, but oh my God the things you can do with it when it’s snowing outside.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Have you ever heard of the Seven Fires? I was going to follow up on my comment that the best way to grill things is simply. The author was a professionally changed at the Cordon Bleu, and then went home and decided that all that fluff was unnecessary. All the recipes in that book I’ve made are straightforward (relatively speaking) and delicious.
My favorite is La Vaca Entera. Three ingredients: 1 gallon of chimichurri (ok, I’m cheating a little), 5 gallons of salt water, 1 1400 lb cow, butterflied.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
yeah everything my dad does is very simple
never goes overboard with sauces or the like.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I mean, if you’re going to name your place House of Prime Rib, you really have to bring the goods.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 31, 2011 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s what I was thinking.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
It’s true. At least Hooters delivers.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
They don’t have a single owl on their menu.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 31, 2011 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I meant I don’t have to go there to get what I want.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Oh, you got me there.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 31, 2011 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions
f that
“healthy” muffins have jillions of calories from the oil. Unless they’re the REALLY healthy ones, which will taste mostly like cardboard.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 1, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
OMG THEY HAVE A TWITTER
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
@RockCenterNBC
EVERYONE FOLLOW IT RIGHT THE FUCK NOW
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
A day later I still hate the Affeldt option being picked up.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
don't worry
there will be far more hateable things along soon to drive it from your memory.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 1, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm going with 1. Texas 2. NYY 3. Angels
MOON LANDING? BEAR GRYLLS!
by Anonymous1337 on Oct 31, 2011 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Blue Jays
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
What do you mean, Yu Darvish?
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 31, 2011 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I love Brian Williams.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
We know, Jon Stewart
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Hahahaha

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
by jponry on Oct 31, 2011 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s hard not to. They ship themselves.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
WILLIAMS: Let’s talk about Occupy Wall Street.
STEWART: Let’s do that.
WILLIAMS: These people…
STEWART: They’re coming for you.
WILLIAMS: These people…
STEWART: One-percenter.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Steven Colbert
had a great interview with some of the Occupiers last night, part of which was conducted in the sign language they use for parliamentary procedure. You should check it out.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 1, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm watching Parks & Rec at my friends'
I’m not sure how I feel about the documentary format. But obviously jumping in in the middle is a little weird so benefit of the doubt. Good comic timing on display so far.
by Lies and Perfidy on Oct 31, 2011 8:06 PM PDT via iPhone app reply actions
I disagree one million percent
by Lies and Perfidy on Oct 31, 2011 8:11 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
It’s relative, of course; it’s still infinitely better than Whitney. But you can’t deny that episode 303 was craptastic.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
MINOR NITPICK ALERT
I hate that “seasonXepisode number” format. I hate it.
That is all.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
You prefer SEASONEPISODE?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
What if they make it to 10 seasons?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
MST3K episode 109 was Project Moonbase, an it sucked. Most of the season one episodes did.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
This is correct.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Episode 109 of Community was actually entitled as such: Debate 109. It’s frequently cited as the point where the show hit its stride.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Alas, it’s not on Netflix streaming yet. Too bad, because I think all the Allison Brie gifs that get posted here are finally getting to me.
by non sequitur on Oct 31, 2011 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I know. I’m wasting so much ink.
I don’t like 304. It doesn’t look neat and tidy enough for me. 3.04 is probably the best way to go, IMO.
What about ambiguity between episode 303 (= Season 3, Episode 3) and episode 303 (the 303rd episode they’ve produced)?
Certainly it’s still capable of greatness. It’s just so inconsistent now, whereas in early 2010 it was hitting the mark every week.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
BLASPHEMY I WILL DESTROY YOU
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Oct 31, 2011 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions
At least Catherine Tate is on The Office now.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 31, 2011 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Not that you would find that important, or anything.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 31, 2011 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions
it's not too bad
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
You haven't seen it before?
Go watch all of it right now. That includes Season 1.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
I'm finishing West Wing season 7 first
by Lies and Perfidy on Oct 31, 2011 8:14 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
This exactly describes my queue, except I’ll probably drop out of TWW after Sorkin does.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I stopped my DVD collection with season five. I don’t have plans to ever purchase the other two.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
It was all right, but by then it was about the campaign. The Bartlet Administration was glimpsed mainly in subplots.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Season Five is an awful season of television. Just awful. And I had a lot of fun waiting for them to just say the name of the episode somewhere, because they made it a point in season five to say the name of the episode’s title at some point. “Constituency of One” was the worst offender. I believe the actual line was, “You’re a constituency of one!”
LOL Lockout
The NBA channel is currently playing Teen Wolf.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Michael J Fox
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Came home in my Ghostbusters outfit and changed into a Yomiuri Giants one for the trick-or-treaters. None so far. :(
i just got some trick or treaters
i was shocked
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
/immediately dons costume, runs to the Outer Sunset
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
You’ll probably be able to collect rock salt on the beach! No need to carry ammo!
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 1, 2011 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Is it your birthday, and should he give you the candy?
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
So the King has decreed. The Small Council consents.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
/happily stamps with wax seal
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Oct 31, 2011 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions
/cough, hack, cough
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Oct 31, 2011 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m taking that as innuendo.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 31, 2011 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Probably
I wouldn’t doubt it if there was a zombie colony in the backwoods of Pacifica, but at least they’re Giants fans. One kid’s costume appeared to be just a Buster Posey t-shirt.
by rightcenterfielder on Oct 31, 2011 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions
No trick or treaters here, we’ve lived here ~8 years and have had 6 trick or treators come by in all that time!
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I’d think it would be worth it for your neighbors to don costumes just to go door to door to bum cigarettes.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 1, 2011 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
shift-A
Mister Man and his buddy The Komodo Dragon decided to make a break for it tonight.
Observation
At the close of each night’s ATC, I say “Good night from Knoxville.”
At the close of Rock Center, Brian Williams said “Good night from New York.”
I’m not saying, but I am just saying.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
SO YOU ARE SAYIN
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
You don’t say, “I’m [TL2], and you’re not”? Or “Good night, and have a pleasant tomorrow”?
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Oct 31, 2011 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Just watched Evil Dead II. So cheesey. I think the “making of” feature is even more fun than the movie itself. Robert Kirkman was one of the special effects guys.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Army of Darkness is the best
//unpopular opinion
by WhatsAMataHari on Oct 31, 2011 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Two points of OT
1) I am purchasing a PS3 tomorrow. It is coming packaged with Uncharted 3, and I wish to purchase Arkham City and one other game. Any recommendations?
2) I went to a Halloween party on Saturday night, and someone there went dressed as Ron Swanson.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
You going to go to buy it at 12:01 AM?
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
No, just whenever I get out to the mall tomorrow. I have it on pre-order.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I got 3, can't go wrong with any of them.
Battlefield 3, Black Rain and L.A. Noire
MOON LANDING? BEAR GRYLLS!
by Anonymous1337 on Oct 31, 2011 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Typo: I ment Heavy Rain
MOON LANDING? BEAR GRYLLS!
by Anonymous1337 on Oct 31, 2011 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you mean Heavy Rain?
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
God of War 3
You can get the HD remakes of 1 and 2 for PS3 for like 30 bucks and GoW3 is a best seller deal.
It’s visually stunning and a really fun game to play.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I own 1 and 2 for the PS2.
How does the third installment stack up?
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Best in the series imo.
The entire first level is epic in the actual sense of the word. You climb a freaking titan while battling a huge water horse boss. There are sections where Kratos is only taking up a small fraction of the screen.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
They improved on everything and fixed what I thought were some of the problems of the first couple games
One big one being that you actually want/have to use the secondary weapons in the 3rd game. The first and second one could be totally completed only using the blades.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Damn
Now I want to play it again, but I need to finish 2 on hard mode.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
ico / shadow of the colossus special edition pack or w/e
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I need to pick up Ico/SotC
Also want the Uncharted games.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I bought SotC at launch
And found Ico in a GameStop for $5 a few years ago.
Fumito Ueda is the shit.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
If you like RPGs and you can take a little bit of punishment… get Dark Souls. It’s the best game I’ve played in a long, long time. Such a sense of accomplishment when you get things done. Look up video of the game first before you buy it, though, because it certainly isn’t for everyone.
by fishmicmuffin on Oct 31, 2011 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve watched a few rage videos of it already. Not my cup of tea.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Yeah Dark Souls is intense
truly hardcore and you have no idea what to expect.
MOON LANDING? BEAR GRYLLS!
by Anonymous1337 on Oct 31, 2011 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions
The college model is growing on me, but I don’t like how close to the goal line they start.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
It’s a reasonably fair way of determining a winner, but it’s not really football. Overtime numbers shouldn’t count.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
I’d prefer it if you had to get into the endzone.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
NFL overtime, that is.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
It’s not sudden death?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Not anymore. If a team kicks a field goal the game doesn’t end, or something. I don’t really remember.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Ties are fine
at least the drama is higher at the end of the game
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
It’s limited sudden death. It’s stupid. Extra rules for the sake of extra rules.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 31, 2011 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
My feeling is that when the clock runs out on the 4th quarter, there should be a mandatory timeout before the game continues from the exact point it left, as one indefinite sudden death period.
So if the score is tied and some team is stuck in 3rd and 2 on the 50 as time is expiring, the pick up exactly where they left off after the timeout, in 3rd and 2 on the 50. And if they score, well, the other team shouldn’t have left them with the ball at the end of regulation.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 31, 2011 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions
This presents a true sudden death scenario, and adds a ton of intrigue and brainy strategy to the last few minutes of the 4th quarter.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 31, 2011 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
It beats the hell out of a coin flip.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
LOL CHARGERS
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
is Todd Haley related to Charles Haley?
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
Having the last name of Succop must have made his life terrible.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
LOL ESPN STATS CHECK
ESPNStatsInfo ESPN Stats & Info
by espn
#Chargers K Ryan Succop: 2nd straight Halloween he’s hit a game-winning field goal. Had one last season vs Bills.
5 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Read something on Wikipedia this evening that I didn’t know before: the Giants’ Orange & Black come from the Baltimore Orioles—John McGraw managed them before coming over to the Giants and brought the colors along with them.
Anyone heard this before? Is it true?
The Giants started wearing orange and black in the ‘30s and they fooled around with other colors until the ’40s, so that can’t be true.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
The 1933 uniforms were the first ones that looked anything like what the Giants wear now

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
As late as 1946 the Giants were wearing this, which looks very wrong to the modern eye

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
The original owner of the Mets was a die-hard Giants fan.
He tried to channel the Giants wherever possible.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Wiki also shows that the Giants main hat logo was orange in 1923
But on the HOF website for the uniforms, all I see is red until 1933. Hmm.
the wikipedia info might be from here: http://www.sportslogos.net/team.php?id=86
but who knows how accurate that is either. Still, way after John McGraw.
Well considering that there were no Baltimore Orioles until 1954, no, I don’t think that’s entirely accurate. That said, I don’t know when the Giants started wearing orange and black or why.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Oct 31, 2011 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions
There were Baltimore Orioles teams before then. The last major league team in Baltimore before 1954 moved to New York and became the Yankees.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Glad someone got around to clearing this up.
Grant wrote an article about this for SB Nation, like, last week.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
The original Baltimore Orioles were around 1901-1902 and it was managed by John McGraw.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
1901 Orioles uniforms

Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
So...this
http://voxmedia.com/announcement.html
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Does this mean the TicketSquid won?
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Chicks dig the squid
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Nov 1, 2011 6:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Bravo, my child
One of the fun things to do in this part of Taiwan is to head over to one of the “night markets” around the city, where you can gorge on the many culinary delicacies of the region, haggle with boisterous shop owners on prices for shoes or candy or snacks, and yes, drink the blood of a serpent.
There were differing opinions as to why certain members of Major League Baseball’s All-Star team, here to play a five-game series against the Chinese Taipei national team that begins Tuesday in Xinzhuang Stadium, would take on such an ominous-sounding challenge, but the denizens of the Huaxi Street Night Market crowded around to see their athletic heroes dive right in.
“I didn’t travel halfway around the world to not do what the natives do, so I’m going to try it,” said relief pitcher LaTroy Hawkins, moments before watching the proprietor of the shop sacrifice the snake and pour its blood into shot glasses for about a dozen of the adventurous players to try.
“It wasn’t bad at all,” Hawkins said. “It’s supposed to give you stamina and help with the beauty of your skin. You should try it.”
Outfielder Andres Torres liked it so much that he did at least three shots of the blood.
“I just want to try different things,” Torres said. “I think it’s pretty cool. It’s a different culture, so you embrace it. Why not? Plus it’s supposed to give you energy, and we’re playing tomorrow, so we’ll be ready.”
Redbull is for pussies. This shit gives you serious wings. I had it before and I was warm for like 3 hours. You really feel the blood pumping.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
THE BLOOD OF THE SERPENT
OOMPAPA OOMPAPA OOMPAPA OOM
Romping with my school chums in the fens and spinneys while the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame.
by shanghaijim on Oct 31, 2011 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
NOW THEY CAN CLIMB SNAKE TOWA AND KILL THULSA DOOM
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 1, 2011 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
NOOO
NOW THEY WILL ALL COME BACK AS SERPENT VAMPIRES
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Pablo and Andres will no longer be able to play day games!
by WhatsAMataHari on Oct 31, 2011 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
THE SNAKE BLOOD TURNED THEM INTO JOSH HAMILTON
The first six innings are overrated.
if it makes Pablo immortal
I’m all for it.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Oct 31, 2011 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Check out the video here!
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111030&content_id=25845670&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I like how you can hear Andres in the background long before he actually gets on camera.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
It took him a long time to say hello and ask after the family of every person in that market!
by WhatsAMataHari on Oct 31, 2011 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Andres has a serious camera. No cameraphone for him.
by WhatsAMataHari on Oct 31, 2011 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Night markets are so fucking good. I wish I could eat the food there every night.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
You can get most of them in bay area now
I can direct you to a few stores if you wish.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
THE NBA PLAYERS ARE SO TORE UP BY THIS LOCKOUT
WORKING AROUND THE CLOCK TO TRY AND GET GAMES GOING AGAIN
KingJames LeBron James
by SportsCenter
RT @KDTrey5: Set it up! My team ready RT @KingJames: @KDTrey5 Team KD35 vs Team King James do I hear? Flag football.(Done deal! Date soon)
(KDTrey is Kevin Durant)
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Can we run a reality show where the locked out players play a different non-basketball sport every week?
by WhatsAMataHari on Oct 31, 2011 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I want to see LeBron on skates playing in the NHL.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 31, 2011 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
He’d be perfect because there’s no 4th quarter in hockey
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 31, 2011 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
VH1 should have something similar to that “NBA Wives” show, but it be something like, “NBA: Unemployed”.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 1, 2011 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
I still don't understand how they do math
the difference between 50% and 52.5% over 7 years is 250M
cancel all games in November costs the players ~ 400M
What The Fuck.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Not to mention that some are gonna go play in Europe for pennies on the dollar
then claim they don’t need to give up the excess revenue.
I just don’t understand how both sides also refuse to even mention all the effects they are having on the venue workers and other businesses around stadiums.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Right now it’s just basically lockout chicken to see who blinks first
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 31, 2011 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Alex Smith got a really good passer rating yesterday.
When he really made a mess of most of his chances.
Why,
It’s almost like passer rating is a shitty stat.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Which QB acquisition makes the Niners a legit SB contender?
Because they surely need one to get to that next level.
The second half yesterday was painful to watch. Old Alex Smith was back in a big way.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
He was throwing a vermilion
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Nov 1, 2011 9:47 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
badnphone
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Nov 1, 2011 9:48 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
ah fuck it
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Nov 1, 2011 9:48 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
He was throwing a bajillion picks again?
I must have missed that part.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Nov 1, 2011 9:47 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Some are comparing the 2011 49ers to the 2000 Baltimore Ravens.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Which is, of course, ridiculous. People don’t remember exactly how shitty of a quarterback Trent Dilfer was.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 31, 2011 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Like, he was fucking terrible. He was fucking terrible so much they both got rashes from all the chafing.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 31, 2011 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions
He threw for 12 Touchdowns that year.
And also threw 11 interceptions.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
At one point that year, he was Tony Banks’s backup.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 31, 2011 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions
For almost half the season, in fact. It took half a season of Tony Banks’s awfulness to convince them that they needed to settle for Trent Dilfer’s awfulness.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 1, 2011 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions
At least, I’m pretty sure. I don’t remember Dilfer being hurt at all.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 1, 2011 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
He was shitty but he “managed” the game. Plus they had Jamal Lewis (Frank Gore) on offense and Ray Lewis (Patrick Willis) on D.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I know the reasons for the comparison. I just don’t think they are particularly apt.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 31, 2011 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Or how frickn’ amazing their defense was so that they could overcome it. It was one of the best defense of the past 20-30 years
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 31, 2011 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions
They surrendered an average of 10 points per game.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 31, 2011 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
And that was just the regular season. They gave up an average of SIX per game in the postseason.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 31, 2011 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I mean, holy crap.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 31, 2011 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
They just need to stop calling passes to Crabtree.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 31, 2011 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions
True.
I did note that Davis had somehow disappeared from the game plan when I was at the stadium yesterday.
Davis is our biggest offensive threat.
They’re not leaving him in single coverage much. Ergo, hello Michael Crabtree.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
The problems with Crabtree right now look to me to be more on Smith than Crabtree. The latter is doing everything right. They really need to get him and Smith on the same page.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Well, I’m not calling out Crabtree in the pair, just noting that the combination hasn’t been working.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 1, 2011 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Crabtree actually getting a training camp under his belt might have helped.
Not Crab related, but kinda wish we’d see more of those seam passes that got VD 13 TDs though. We all know Alex can throw it.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Nov 1, 2011 9:55 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Also
How do we know Crabtree is doing everything right? Because Alex had consistently thrown high to Crabs makes me feel like Alex thinks Crabs is faster than he really is, or Crabs ia shortening up his routes. Though the throws last sunday were not as high or overthrown as they had been, which makes me optimistic.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Nov 1, 2011 9:59 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
to be clear not saying its all Crabs fault
I just feel like Crabs missing all that time these last few offseasons hurt. Seeing as Alex throws fine to everyone else, just look at how good Alex was hooking up with Josh before he got hurt.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Nov 1, 2011 10:02 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
don't count out Kaepernick
Harbaugh redshirted Andrew Luck for crying out loud… Kaepernick could be the second coming of Joe Montana and he’d still sit for a year with Harbaugh as his coach.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Oct 31, 2011 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions
He was fine on everything except those long pases.
Which was like 4 passes of his 30 or whatever, but hey chicks dig the long ball. Not to say he doesnt need to start hitting those mind you.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Nov 1, 2011 9:52 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I totally forgot that it's Halloween.
I feel old.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Good Morning
If you want some LIVE BASEBALL and don’t mind Chinese announcers
http://zh-tw.justin.tv/wanglive01#/w/1997969984
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Link Fail
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
STFD LOGAN MORRISON
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
STFD Jeff Mathis
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
LOL ANDRES TORRES PINCH RUN
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Damn Rain Delay
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Game 1 called after 6 innings due to Rain.
Not giving the score because SPOILERZ OMG
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I’m watching a Taiwanese talk show right now.
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Nov 1, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Can you get...
… a no sharp objects and/or frozen hamburgers clause with that bmw?
BLISTERING BARNACLES!!! ANOTHER BLOWN SAVE!!!
MLBTR came out with their top 50 free agents and predicted landing spots
21. Coco Crisp – Giants. Though he posted a low on-base percentage in 2011, Crisp could fill the Giants’ need for a center fielder and leadoff man.
That’s the only guy they predict going to the Giants.
Sigh.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Yeah I saw this yesterday. But I consoled my self by thinking, “Who cares what MLBTR thinks!”
No one here gets out alive.
I mean, it's just for fun
Means nothing. But boy that would be depressing if that’s all we came out with.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I bet they predicted that the Nationals were going to get Werth and Phillies to get Cliff Lee last year
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Haha, I don't believe so, no
I think they predicted like 1/5 of the landing spots.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
CoCo is the most logical choice given what the Giants are communicating
And I would certainly cry if that was it.
They were right about Uribe going to the Giants last off season. I was posting comments ridiculing it. LOL ME
The thing is, you can’t predict who the Giants are going to sign because the payroll level is unknown at this point. What are the owners plans for the team? Are they about just milking the championship? Or do they want to win another?
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 1, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Oops, yeah.
/smacks own face to wake up
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 1, 2011 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions
awwwwwwwwww
from Grant’s RT
Taiwanese children were excited to meet Granderson. But, once they learned there was a guy named Panda, flocked to Sandoval
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
And then.... this happened *spoiler*
Do not click if you don’t want to know what happened in the game, set to be televised tonight.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Outfielder Andres Torres liked it so much that he did at least three shots of the blood.
“I just want to try different things,” Torres said. “I think it’s pretty cool. It’s a different culture, so you embrace it. Why not? Plus it’s supposed to give you energy, and we’re playing tomorrow, so we’ll be ready.”
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111031&content_id=25850338&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb
Meanwhile, the MLB manager for this tour, Giants skipper Bruce Bochy, said he admired his team’s courage in volunteering for such an exotic and mysterious undertaking.
“I think it’s great,” Bochy said. “You get pumped up for the game, and they’re looking for blood here. There are some warriors on this club to be trying this stuff. It’s good to see.”
Bring some back, Bochy! (Though this seems like the kind of product you can pick up in the seedier parts of north beach.)
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
omg in the video
You can see that Andres has a giant camera strapped around his neck. He’s such an adorable tourist.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Sounds kinda icky if ya ask me, but then I feel the same way about liver and brussels sprouts…. and don’t even get me started on sauerkraut.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Oh, I like sauerkraut.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 1, 2011 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Well the smell is rather off putting. And I haven’t actually eaten the stuff since I was a kid. I’m thinking Grammy’s canned sauerkraut from back in 1971 probably wasn’t representative of “good” sauerkraut, but I’ve never wanted to go anywhere near it again.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
WARRIOR SPIRIT T-SHIRTS FOR EVERYONE
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 1, 2011 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Uggghhhh....
Any chance there are some of those laying around Murph’s office and the Giants sell them on Ebay for about $12MM to offset the dead payroll for Rowand???
Boo
by LosGigantesTodoElTiempo on Nov 1, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Of course I have to read this while eating a breakfast burrito.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 1, 2011 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL
Who’s the Red Sox player saying “got heem” right behind Bochy in the dugout?
It must be a sign that the Giants should trade B-Weezy to the Sox.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 1, 2011 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Josh Reddick
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
hehehe
Happy Win-aversary!!!!!
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
My first thoughts on waking. Then I thought about the parade. What a great day that was.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
The parade was okay. Well no the parade was pretty damn sweet, the day itself meh.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
The weather was perfect. The mood was sweet but electric. I have never been in a crowd that had better energy.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
At this time on the 1st
Everyone was probably still pretty anxious about the game.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 1, 2011 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh, rent day.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Nov 1, 2011 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions
That's right
On this day Rent hit the game-winning HR!
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
God morgen
The Opportunity rover is being driven to a spot on the rim of the Endeavour crater called Cape York. It will be parked there over the Martian winter with it’s solar collectors optimally positioned to keep the rover relatively warm.
As you may remember, I posted a photo earlier of tracks left when the rover had to travel backwards because of a bad wheel. The tracks had a hitch every 10 yards or so because the rover had to look around an antennae that was directly in it’s 6 o’clock view.
As you can see, the bad wheel is less of a problem now that the surface is a little flatter and there are no rocks around.

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 1, 2011 8:05 AM PDT reply actions
Suck it, team Nikon
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/16/39226521230100550720910.jpg/
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
60 Minutes/Vanity Fair poll, btw.
At least he would have been an upgrade over Tejada.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 1, 2011 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions
The inventor of Rubio's Cube!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 1, 2011 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
This pattern is disturbing and indicative of a guy beyond his shelf life.
These transactions seem more in line with fringe franchises like Houston, Kansas City, Baltimore, Washington, Pittsburgh, with a tradition of poor attendance, poor win loss records, little in the way of merchandise sales with marginal cable TV packages. And yet its that way every year. Desperately overpaying and over-extending guys like Zito, Rowand, Tejada, Huff. And now middle relievers? On a team that cannot consistently score more than 2 to 3 runs per game (98 games scored 3 runs or fewer)
“My car has a dead battery; good as time as any to spring for that new 8-track from Oakland”
Guys like Dotel, Oliver etc are a dime a dozen and guys like them are around every year, like apples under a tree. There is a reason for that. You pick up middle relievers mid-season, not as hefty-bagged contracts free agents.
Its almost as if Sabean’s pool of choices is vastly restricted by player agents, his reputation, Bochy’s reputation or something.
It makes so little sense that a team with such positive attributes; pitching, stadium, attendance, money, lifestyle, fan and media friendly has as many problems bringing in quality vets on a regular basis as it does. Its been one underachievement after another year in and year out…. and Tidrow’s pitcher’s get another year older and another 200 plus innings deeper in debt.
Are we missing something here?
The Rainy Day Fund
It’s existence means that you pay smaller prices to fringe players that Giants fans recognize as “nice guys” instead of premium prices to players who are actually good enough at baseball to make a significant difference in the standings.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 1, 2011 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions
CHEMISTRY
INTANGIBLES
ZITO
MOON LANDING? BEAR GRYLLS!
by Anonymous1337 on Nov 1, 2011 9:37 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
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I don’t think you can characterize $5M to Affeldt as a “small price”. I was thinking about this for some reason today: that’s what, $9.5M for lefthanded relievers next year?
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 1, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
It is a smaller price than what Reyes or Pujols will receive.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 1, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I knew what you meant, but it’s a crapload of money for two lefthanded relievers.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 1, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmmm.
Which is what bottom feeder teams do like Kansas City, Pittsburgh, Baltimore. Every year. Which is what Sabean does. His transactions are more inline with those teams, than with the Phillies, Cards, and even the Brewers who, while making mistakes, persevere in their quest for high-quality. Even everybody’s whipping post, the Cubs have made a determination to change their wasteful ways.
The Giants payroll of 120 million seems plenty ample, (the only post-season teams to outspend them were the Yankees and Phils) because its offset to a large degree by its underpaid pitching staff, which is getting progressively more expensive by the way as arbitration and free agency loom.
It just seems to be wasted on non-performers and journeymen. If even the casual blog-reading fan can see this, obviously Sabean can. He’s not stupid or senile. I think he can identify the type of players needed easily enough, it just seems either
1) He picks the wrong guy for the job or
2) He just doesn’t have the same connections and influence he had 10 or 15 years ago to attract the best guys to San Francisco.
The point is the Giants transactions (aside from what the farms are producing) seem more inline with very mediocre franchises operating in small markets with limited revenue, moderate attendance, inferior TV contracts and little recognition outside of their media territory.
One year, two years, even three bad years? Sure. GM is a tough and bloody occupation. But to be consistently at the bottom offensively year in and year out for years on end, even during Bonds last couple of years is inexplicable.
Scoring three runs or less in almost 100 games is not major league caliber. It is mind-boggling.
by Roy Hobbs Jr on Nov 1, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
REYES AND PUJOLS!!
/rosterbates furiously
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 1, 2011 9:11 AM PDT reply actions
WHERE DO WE PUT FIELDER??
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
HOW ABOUT AGAINST THAT WALL OVER THERE?
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
WAIT...NO.... THAT'S TOO NEAR THE KITCHEN!
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
THINK OF THE KITTENS
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Think big
Reyes/Furcal at 2B (injury protection), Fielder catching, Beltran SS (his bat plays better there), Pujols CF (ditto), CJ Wilson as the 5th starter, Anthopolous GM, Bill Hall RF…Wait, how’d he get in there?
I like that slogan.
Prince Fielder: Think Big
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
So how do we refer to November 1st as a date in history now?
C-Day?
TGWTWS-Day?
SWING AND A MISS! AND THAT’S IT!-Day?
"The definition of insanity is startjng Orlando Cabrera over and over again and expecting different results"--Albert Einstein
GO-ONE Day
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
OT: Mets trying to run DINGERZ.exe more often next year
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111031&content_id=25850788&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb
"The definition of insanity is startjng Orlando Cabrera over and over again and expecting different results"--Albert Einstein
Perhaps they fail to realize that dingers.exe works on their pitchers too?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
So they’ll have both Wheeler and Beltran? Machiavellian.
Sabean schooled again.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 1, 2011 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
And what of the Reyes triples?
/HAMSTRING.exe
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 1, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
the new dimensions could potentially hurt free-agent shortstop Jose Reyes, who hit 12 of his 16 triples at home last season
They don’t want him. Sandy must know something.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Sabean is to injured players, like the moth is to the flame. Just sayin’.
Also, DISCOUNT.exe
/wishful thinking
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 1, 2011 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Furcal's option was just declined.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
SWOOP!
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Nov 1, 2011 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Pujols rainy day fund
Yeah, Furcal sucked at the plate in the World Series. Good at short, though.
“Sigh. Come on over if you must. Would you like to sign up for the Giants retirement package?”
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 1, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Calling GP
How much more would you pay for Reyes over Furcal? (Not trolling, I genuinely want to see your math.)
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Before you answer GiantPain...
realize, IT’S A TRAP.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Nov 1, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't want to do math
Buy Reyes I’d give up to about 115-120 million.
Furcal has more recent and more serious injury problems and was really terrible for half this season. Would give him no more than 8 or 9, hopefully on a one-year.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Isn’t he your third choice after Rollins? Or did I get that wrong?
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Yep.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
And beyond lies the deep end of the pool, known as the Yuniesky-Cabrera Trench.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 1, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I posted this elsewhere, but I think the list of people who are actually better than Crawford, and thus worth acquiring, is something like
Reyes, Rollins, Furcal, Carroll, Punto. There are other guys who might be, your Bint Clarmes, etc, but those are the 5 that I think are clearly better options than Crawford.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
If one of those costs less than $9M and enables signing a corner OF galoot, that would be fine.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Nov 1, 2011 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Yep.
That’s why they should just get Reyes.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
This is pretty awesome
http://deadspin.com/5855208/this-is-how-david-freeses-game-6-walk+off-home-run-sounded-in-british
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Overflow Thread
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2011/11/1/2530330/morning-overflow-thread-happy-anniversary
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.

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