Managerial Review: On Bruce Bochy's 2011
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 24, 2011 11:50 AM PDT
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PrintA reminder: Last year at this time, you loved Bruce Bochy. Everything he touched turned to trophy. When he'd put in a reliever, take out a starter, put in a defensive replacement, send up a pinch-hitter ... it would all work. All of it.
Another reminder: Bruce Bochy annoyed the bejeepers out of this year.
Maybe you're sitting back right now, arms folded, sneering and mumbling, "Not me. He's the perfect manager." Okay. This post probably isn't for you. You can e-mail me, and I'll send you a notification when I start the eagerly anticipated Month o' Rollins series.
Today I wrote a piece on Ron Washington for Baseball Nation, in which I proclaim my appreciation for the Rangers manager. After I finished it, I realized a couple of things. First, you can make most of the same arguments for Dusty Baker, whom I wouldn't want as the Giants' manager again even if he agreed to tithe 10% of his salary to me. I guess that means that as long as I don't have to watch 162 games of a fiery player's manager, he's cool. Second, I realized that Bochy is almost an anti-Washington, respected for his calm more than his excitability.
But he's not quite the anti-Washington because both managers are more respected for their influence in a clubhouse rather than their strategical mastery. The role of a manager is more than ordering a hit-and-run or playing station-to-station baseball. A manager has to index scores of different personalities and figure out how best to motivate them. At the same time, a manager is trying to figure out how to keep all those personalities from strangling each other over a long, long baseball season.
The things I liked about Bruce Bochy before the season:
- How he manages a bullpen and keeps his relievers from tiring out. The Javier Lopez-against-righties thing from earlier this season was a little strange, but generally he's a genius compared to Felipe Alou
- No matter how much crap he takes from the talk-radio circuit, he doesn't like to give away outs by bunting. Do you realize how rare this is for a National League manager?
- Players seem to like and respect him or something
The things I didn't like before the season:
- I'm pretty sure he evaluates hitters much differently than I do, which is why it took a neck injury/FBI sting to get Cody Ross starting over Jose Guillen
- He prefers veteran hitters over young hitters
- Every time
- Oh, god, those veterans
But I took the quirks with the benefits. There will never be a manager with which anyone is 100% happy, so Bochy was going to be just as maddening as any manager ever, but he also came with some good aspects. Earl Weaver, John McGraw, James Gammon ... they would all drive you crazy. That manager you're thinking of right now would drive you insane.
Didn't see how this would change this year, especially in the post-championship glow. But Bochy found a way with the Brandon Belt/Aubrey Huff arrangement. Bochy continued to play Huff even while stunk. He refused to start Belt for most of the season, and then refused to start Belt against left-handed pitchers when he finally did put him in the lineup.
Standard Bochy. This was not a surprise. After watching Randy Winn bat third and start in right field for allllllllll of 2009 -- two home runs, 597 plate appearances! -- there was no way that Bochy was going to bench Huff, just like how Posey wasn't going to start until Bengie Molina was mailed to Abu Dhabi. I hate it, but it's not a change.
But my view of Bochy did change this year. It changed for the worse. The veteranophilia ... I'd made my peace with. Wasn't going to change. The pathology of the veteranophilia was previously unknown.
He’s going to get back to what he did the year before, same workout routine, [same] trainer. Whether he dropped the ball last year and didn’t work out enough in the winter, he’s looking at all those things.
That's from the postmortem press conference this year. There are other quotes that lead to the same conclusion: Aubrey Huff was out of shape before season started. Then he struggled. Only when the Giants were essentially eliminated was he removed from the lineup.
That's almost pathological. There's so much we don't know as fans -- the clubhouse dynamics, the personalities, the various pulleys and levers with which different players are motivated. But when a veteran comes into camp a little soft, struggles, and doesn't have to fend off a young player who is tearing up the minors ... that's beyond a harmless quirk.
Believe it or not, I still have a lot of respect for Bochy. I know that professional baseball is filled with hundreds of potential managers who would do a worse job. Focusing on just one flaw is like focusing on Pablo's foot speed or Barry Zito's hitting. There's a lot to evaluate, and making too much of one aspect is nonsensical. But Bochy's penchant for veteran love moved from "annoying" to "negligent" this year. That's what his 2011 will be remembered for.
I'm stupid enough to think he can learn from it. Here's hoping ...
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USPS doesn’t make a one-size-ships box that big…yet.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 24, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Is Bochy a good manager?
I don’t think so.
But the list of current ML managers I’d rather have than him isn’t exactly long, neither.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
This is what I was thinking
You look at the other managers and you say, “Eh. Maybe Bochy ain’t that bad.”
Yep.
This too. Can’t remember the last time I was coveting another team’s field manager.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 24, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Ron Washington is, by most evaluations, a terrible in-game manager...
and yet his team has already won more World Series games this year than last year, and with a good start from CJ Wilson tonight and another good Derek Holland start in a possible Game 7, the Rangers could be champions. Over the so-called chess-playing genius, Tony LaRussa.
I guess what this proves is that a manager’s moves don’t make a huge difference over the course of 162 games and playoffs, but how he manages a clubhouse probably matters a great deal (see also: Francona, Terry in September 2011).
"The definition of insanity is startjng Orlando Cabrera over and over again and expecting different results"--Albert Einstein
Your last assertion is based on speculative bullshit.
Check out Catch-28.com, a blog about Buster Posey and the San Francisco Giants.
Its tough for me to have an opinion on other managers unless I see a fair amount of them
So I have pretty firm opinions on the NLWest managers (LOL Jim Tracy) and the managers who have had teams in the playoffs the past few years.
Of those managers I’d probably only want Joe Maddon over Bochy out of that group.
And Ozzie Guillen because he would amuse me.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
I'd take TLR over Bochy
He seems to have similar strengths and weaknesses to Bochy, but he’s got a much better track record.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
TLR is an asshole
I know that doesnt really matter in reality, but in fantasyland where I get to pick the manager I would want nothing to do with him
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
by DFARowand on Oct 24, 2011 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
To each his own.
I like Tony.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Rec'd
For being, you know, scientifically proveable and stuff. In fact, I’d say LaRussa may be a better exact opposite of Bochy than Ron Washington. Bochy seems to be a genuinely nice guy; he’d make a good neighbor. TLR seems like the type to argue over where your joint property line goes, and how loudly/often he can play his music.
"He has maybe one of the best arms I've ever seen; he could be playing by the concession stand and he's not out of position." - Andy Skeels, talking about 3B Chris Dominguez.
C’mon -they’ll introduce replay on every close call & take it to 5 and a half hours!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 24, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Just win, baby
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Hiring TLR would be kind of fun if only to see the mayhem on these boards the first time Cain bats eighth or Tony uses six relievers to get out of the fourth inning
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 24, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Pitchers should bat 8th, dammit.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I knew that happened a couple times this year
I’d just forgotten when.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
This picture is from 2010.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
AND MANY HAPPY RETURNS!
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 24, 2011 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
(also, I hope shanghaidad is doing well)
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 24, 2011 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
The post-op bloating has been relieved and apparently just an hour ago it seems the portion of intestine that was rejoined together after the operation is functioning again, which was the whole point of the operation, so it seems optimistic!
I rhyme with freak.
Great news!!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 24, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Here’s to continued success!!
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 24, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
I couldn’t decide on the vote, because while I am not super excited he’s manager, I don’t want him unemployed either because there are some definite worse candidates out there. For instance: the two managers currently in the world series.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
THIS^
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Oct 24, 2011 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Veterans. ugh
But Bochy’s penchant for veteran love moved from “annoying” to“negligent”asinine this year.
Also, before we start the month of Rollins
/swoon
He’d have a million triples in AT&T.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Tim Polenta?
Love that guy.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Tim Pawlenty?
I'm a fucking walking paradox. What is Giants offense for 400 alex?
by TexasRanger on Oct 24, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
After the million triples, he is free to go legless.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Would I?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Oh yeah? What about a potential MVP?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
REYES AND PUJOLS!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 24, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
FIELDER TOO!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Bochy
I think Bochy playing vets is less of an issue than the GM signing vets to multi million dollar deals and they A. assume they get to start everyday with that contract and B. they suck the place up
No manager is perfect, but he is mostly pretty good.
Well yes in the grand scheme of things
Brian Sabean is far more the problem than Bruce Bochy is
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
I actually think that Bochy has been much more of a problem for the past couple years than Sabean
The post-Bonds era has seen a much different and more intelligent Sabean and a manager who refuses to play a lot of the good players his GM give him.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
They both teamed up to acquire and then play Orlando Cabrera.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
No GM is perfect
But Sabean’s track record since 2008 is pretty damn good, in terms of player development and team success.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Did Bruce Bochy sign Tejada and give Huff that contract?
Because those were the two players that Bochy let play for far too long.
And Orlando Cabrera..well nothing needs to be said there
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Tejada wasn’t going to be great, but last offseason he had been above-average his whole career (with the exception of the first half of 2010 with Baltimore; he rebounded nicely after being traded to San Diego). There was no reason to think that he would crater. It wasn’t a bad signing.
The Huff contract was acceptable, too. I certainly didn’t disapprove of it at the time. $11 million translates to about 3 fWAR, and Huff has exceeded that number several times; he was worth twice that in 2010.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
I disagree. It was a panic signing once Uribe got poached, while JJ Hardy, Scutaro and Bartlett were still in play, not to mention other free agent scraps. It was also a gross overpay, although at least Sabean has toned down the years on the savvy vet deals these days. Also, if Baltimore Houston and San Diego don’t want the player, maybe a little evaluation should be put into that side of things.
There was no reason to think that he would crater. It wasn’t a bad signing.
Perhaps not his bat, but there was every reason to think that he’d be flirting with replacement level if asked to play shortstop. He was signed to play a defensive position her was no longer proficient enough to play.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
Also, he was 37. That’s certainly a reason to think he MIGHT crater.
by Monkeyking42 on Oct 24, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Sabean’s still asinine at times (see Cabrera, Orlando), but I do think that he’s improved in recent years.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
I think somebody wondered what the season would have been like if Fontenot didn’t go down like 0-4 or 0-5 with runners in scoring position that one game. Did Bochy and Sabean lose so much confidence in him that they traded for Cabrera and then banished Fontenot?
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 24, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
The issue with Fontenot at SS as always been defense.
I don’t think they’d have ever been comfortable with him there, even if he hit well. And I’m pretty sure that it wasn’t just Bochy’s decision.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
“a lot of the good players”?
Please name them, because I seriously doubt that it amounts to “a lot.” Maybe “the occasional,” but you make it sound like the Giants would have had a much better offense the last three years if Bochy had played the right guys on the Giants’ bench, and that’s very far from accurate.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
meh
Sabean was dealt a crap hand this year. We can’t really blame him for all of the injuries, but at the same time we can blame him for how he chose to try and work around them. At the same time, I do feel like Bochy lost us a few more games. I have trouble believing the offensive output wouldn’t have been different if we hadn’t led off Aaron Rowand almost every day, batted Cabrera 5th-7th (or even played him at all for that matter), kept Huff batting 5th over Belt, etc.
vs ATL August 18th. Lincecum vs Mike Minor:
Ross
Cabrera
Sandoval
Huff
Tejada
Schierholtz
Rowand
Stewart
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
by giant4life83 on Oct 24, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Giants lost 1-0, too. Timmeh’s 5th 1-0 loss of the year or something like that
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
by giant4life83 on Oct 24, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I really thought Tim was going to go over and clock Cabrera right there on the field.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
not even the worst lineup of that roadtrip
Wasn’t there one that was like…
Rowand
Cabrera
DeRosa
Huff
Belt
Ross
Whiteside
Fontenot
I remember there being one game against the Astros where the LOLness of the lineup actually kind of ruined my entire day.
Wasn’t there a lineup that included Stewart, Cabrera & Burriss or something like that?
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Not what you were looking for, but here's the June 11 lineup
Burriss 2B
Tejada 3B
Huff 1B
Ross LF
Schierholtz RF
Rowand CF
Crawford SS
Whiteside C
Lincecum P
Fear the Fin - NEEDS MORE DOVES
July 20 is pretty terrible too
Torres
Fontenot
Rowand
Ross
Belt
Burriss
Stewart
Crawford
Lincecum
Shockingly, this lineup only managed three hits and lost 1-0.
Adopted Giant - Carlos Willoughby, 2011 Sally League All Star
August 19, when everyone spontaneously got injured
Posted as Baggs posted it:
CF Rowand
2B 3B DeRosa
3B Sandoval LF Ross
LF Ross RF Schierholtz
RF Schierholtz 1B Huff
1B Huff SS Tejada
SS Tejada C Stewart
C Stewart 2B Fontenot
P Vogelsong
Vogelsong was arguably one of the top 4 hitters in that lineup.
Fear the Fin - NEEDS MORE DOVES
All the "Best" ones are being taken
June 7 (they scored a run):
Torres
Gillaspie
FSanchez
Huff
Schierholtz
Rowand
Crawford
Stewart
JSanchez
There's a cool article on how a baseball trade goes down here
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/anatomy-of-a-baseball-trade-10202011.html
It’s centered on the Braves trade for Bourne and gives the play-by-play of how a trade happens.
I can’t help but think that the team that seems to have tried to acquire Bourne a little too late was the Giants.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
My thoughts exactly
And yes it was a great article
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
I was inside the margin of error
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Hadn't the Giants already acquired Beltran
When the Bourn trade happened? I don’t know what the Giants could even have offered for Bourn at that point. Belt + Hembree? That would have been pretty hard to swallow.
we wouldnt have gotten Bourne for anything less than Gary Brown. I’m glad it never happened. Happy we didn’t waste Brown on a player who wouldn’t have made a big enough difference to get us to the playoffs. If anything, it would have made the Orlando Cabrera and Huff/Belt sagas even more maddening.
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
by giant4life83 on Oct 24, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
If the NFL doesn’t stop all the replays, penalties and crappola it won’t matter.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I like replay.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Me too
But the reviewing every scoring play has taken it too far
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Eh
I’m in favor of the most replay possible, so it’s cool with me.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I knew it!
GiantPain watches sports so he can see people proved wrong in replays.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Really ruins the game from an entertainment standpoint
But I have redzone channel so I dont care that much.
Too often no we get…
TD- Review (commercial)- Extra Point- Commercial- Kickoff- Commercial
That’s obscene
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
As if too many commercials is new
Replays at least prevent a team out of challenges to get burned on flukey score.
by Myemail21479 on Oct 24, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
That doesn’t make it any less annoying.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I am with DFA Rowrow
I have red zone. When team scores I usually hit the jump button and watch action for the next 3-4 minutes. A blown TD call can ruin an entire game, I am willing to spend an extra 5 minutes a game to cut the chances way down.
by Myemail21479 on Oct 24, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought the challenge system worked just fine
Forced coaches to be smart with them.
And again I’m talking about it from an entertainment perspective. A blown call once in awhile doesnt ruin the game from an entertainment perspective for me. This bullshit does.
However, I have Red Zone channel and barely watch the MNF or SNF games so I don’t really care all that much. I just feel bad for all the suckers who have to deal with it
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Commercial after kickoff is super annoying
Why do they do that? I’d rather they just give each team a couple extra timeouts per half and get rid of that horror.
I HATE that too. It’s one of those things that makes me want to sometimes smack people who think there’s way more action going on in football than baseball
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 24, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
and that’s what I was referring to.
OH YAY !!!! MY TEAM SCORED A TOUC…..
oh wait.. they are reviewing it
hmmm
they couldn’t possibly over turn it could they?
it looked like he caught it
why is it taking so long?
ah, there’s the official
oh good it counts
now, where was I?
HDOWN!!! Yay?
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I happily take the delay in exchange for increased accuracy.
I think they should check every close fair/foul call and every close play at a base.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
No thanks. It is just a game after all. Why does it have to be completely, 100% accurate?
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Because the games should be decided by the players.
Every time.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Going to untelevised College game is way to get faster game
TV breaks always break up a game. What is 5 more minutes out of 3 hours?
by Myemail21479 on Oct 24, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
So 1,000 inconsequential replays is worth a few consequential plays per year? If so, where does one draw the line?
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
You draw the line rationally
If there’s any question about a play, review it. If there isn’t, don’t.
And yes, 1,000 inconsequential replays is worth a few consequential ones. A modified Blackstone’s formulation, if you will.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
So balls and strikes? Foul tips?
IMO watching a bunch of replays is not fun. Sure, bad calls can be maddening but they equal out in the long run.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I think balls and strikes should be done by robots and cameras, personally.
But until they have that system, no, balls and strikes shouldn’t be subject to replay.
Foul tips? I mean, if someone tips a ball and the catcher doesn’t catch it and he’s called out anyway, then yes, that should be replayed.
You shouldn’t be called out if you’re not out.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I am with this here
Give umps behind the plate a pager with 2 colors. It is his option to use it, especially for close pitches. You can’t argue and he is only person who gets to see it. Graded how accurate they are, so there is incentive to use it.
Foul tips… only if managers challenge it. I would give maybe 1 challenge a game.
by Myemail21479 on Oct 24, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d love to see a Lou Pinella type go out and argue with a robot, kicking dirt all over him as he does so.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 24, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I used to think this, but now I think it sounds better than it really is.
Right now, umpires fudge significantly on strike 3 and ball 4. If we went to a compute strike caller, the number of walks and K’s would shoot up, causing balls in play to drop. It would also heavy impact finesse pitchers who make their money by throwing to corners and “stretching” the strike zone.
Basically, the day you move to artificial pitch calling is the day every pitcher becomes a fire baller and balls in play drop notably. Aestheticaly, it will be a bad day for baseball.
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How?
Batters don’t argue much over balls/strikes, and even the most leisurely umpire aren’t taking minute to nail down a ball/strike call.
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Because the robot umpire would have a laser that would zap the pitcher if he takes longer than 30 seconds between pitches.
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Because the robot won’t delay the game by not being willing to call the 3rd strike.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
It can still have lasers though right?
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Some sort of death ray is called for, certainly.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 24, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
It'll certainly change the game
But we’ll adjust to the new reality, and I think the fundamental fairness outweighs what we’re giving away.
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When one of those plays could decide a win/loss?
a playoff spot/missing the playoffs?
Championship/no championship?
Yeah I can sit through another pine sol commercial.
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While I agree with you in principal about he foul/fair and close plays at a base I don’t see how it can work. In football the plays that are reviewed are for lack of a better word “terminal” plays. But in baseball these plays being reviewed could easily be at the beginning of a play and reviewing fair/foul would either a) unfairly benefit the defensive team and/or b) involve subjective placements of runners by the umpires when a fair ball is called foul and reviewed to be fair.
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by say hey nation on Oct 24, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Well they would obviously be reviewed after the play was over.
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But so you only review balls that are called fair but are actually foul? That would seem like it benefits the defensive team an unfair amount.
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by say hey nation on Oct 24, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
No
You also review balls that are called foul but are actually fair. And then, I guess, just award them the same way you do ground rule doubles. Would that be so terrible?
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When there’s a call on the field, though, that affects the play. If a ball is called foul but may be under review, then the players have to treat it as though it were fair. That seems… unnecessary.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
No
If it’s called foul, the play on the field immediately stops, just like it does now. Then, if upon review, it’s determined to be fair, you take the appropriate action. Players only have to do exactly what they do now – act based on what the umpires on the field say. Only after everything has stopped would anything be reviewed.
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This sounds terrible. What about fast runners vs slow runners? Is the umpire to decide if a player would have been able to stretch it to a triple or does everyone just get a double?
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Like I said, I think it would make sense to award them like ground rule doubles
But I’m not interested in the minutiae. That’ll be worked out by someone else. But the overall principle of whether or not close plays in baseball should have replay? Of course they should.
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But I’m not interested in the minutiae.
Isn’t that exactly why you want replay?
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I meant in the minutiae of how bases would be awarded under a replay system.
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It's like backyard wiffleball
Ghost runners, dude.
What would appropriate action mean? Everybody gets one base?
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by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
And then, I guess, just award them the same way you do ground rule doubles.
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I don’t disagree necessarily with the premise that review should be, efficiently, all over the sport. This particular application just sounds too wiggly.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps
But if you don’t want to use replay to determine fair/foul… what do you want it for? That seems to me like one of the best places to use it.
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Safe/out seems like the biggest one to me.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 24, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
No.
I am cool with all the calls being correct.
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The problem with NFL review is the way they do it. Review should not be a coaching strategy, and it should not come from the field judge. Getting the call right should not cost a time out. And there is nobody who wants to overturn a call less than the guy who just made it in front of 60,000 hostile screaming fans. It should be performed in a booth by a person extensively trained to do it well within 15 seconds. If the play is unclear after 15 seconds, the field call should stand.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with this
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Hockey (I’m sure mymclife will appear and explain this more betterly) has a centralized “war room” where there’s a replay official watching games. I think I’ve only seen goals reviewed.
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And yes, there is a Toronto “war room” where it has officials that review all the plays in all the games. However, there are only a few times when the war room will be consulted: goals (unless the goal was waved off because of a whistle or an intent to blow the whistle), the clock, and supplementary discipline (the Shanaban, which has come to replace the Wheel of Justice). Penalties, offsides, and other stuff is left up to the on-ice officials, who do get regularly evaluated and disciplined in case of incompetence.
Goal reviews tend to take a while, but that’s because trying to see a small black puck fully cross a goal line is sometimes impossible. NFL reviews generally don’t have the same issue – it’s a lot easier to see a football than a puck.
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I’ve heard that if they just do it in the upstairs booth, it could be much faster and smoother but they want to coordinate with somebody in the field. And I agree, if it’s taking more than 30 seconds to decide what’s happened, somebody’s overdoing it.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 24, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
This is pretty good
I’ve always wondered why white hat needs to review the calls personally. It’s not as though he reviews every call the back judge makes; the referee has to trust the other members of his crew.
I feel like the salary cap (and floor) severely diminishes the “money” part, but there’s been quite an advancement in advanced football metrics recently.
by JSing on Oct 24, 2011 12:39 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
But do you think that those new stats are being looked at by front offices in football?
Because I get the feeling that there are a hell of a lot more Sabeans than Beanes in football. Whatever intangibles exist in baseball (heart, grit, experience), I’d imagine that they’re valued even more in football.
by Lisa Stevens on Oct 24, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
ESPN has partnered with the NFL to force all of their coaches to use Total QBR exclusively when it comes to quarterback evaluation.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I am dumb about this stuff. My thinking is that football is too chaotic to get the same sort of analysis as baseball, a “cleaner” game in terms of play-by-play action.
Generally, my reasoning with football stats is that the team “noise” that always gets so much concern is the kind of thing that washes out pretty well when you get adequate samples. And where it doesn’t, common sense can take you the rest of the way. The problem with football is that it’s a small sample sport. There’s very little over the course of the 16 game season that happens a statistically stable number of times.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s also way behind where baseball is so it’s not nearly as integrated into the sport, or at least from a sports writer standpoint. A lot of times, including the 49ers have a stathead on board to try and do Moneyball but it’s not treated in the same way. Maybe if somebody did a book about Paraag Marathe, that’ll change.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 24, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Lots of things
Just judging by the number of times teams punt on fourth down when they shouldn’t, I’m guessing there are a lot of inefficiencies floating around.
I think the other issue with football stats in the advanced sense is that most of the good work being done is aimed at weighting play types by situation, rather than weighting result types by score value (for example, wOBA measures results – single, double, etc. – by their statistical run values, while DVOA measures value in terms of situation – first and ten in the first quarter of a tied game vs. third and long when you’re up by 15 in the fourth).
That makes a lot of the good work being done with football stats very hard to interpret correctly. wOBA: easy. Players with higher wOBA contributed more on a per-at-bat basis to run scoring than those with a lower wOBA. No mess, no fuss.
Players with a higher DVOA, though, were used more efficiently in highly weighted situations, which can be largely independent of performance value. Which is why – and this is my classic example – Chris Ivory had a higher DVOA than Adrian Peterson in 2010. He wasn’t a better performer. He was simply asked to perform in better situations.
What the NFL really needs is a results-based, score-value driven stat which trusts that team noise washes out over time (akin to wOBA). Because that would be so much easier to interpret.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
This is also why Total QBR is going to be such a crock. No matter how rigorous ESPN was in developing the model (which is up for debate anyway), they choose to represent it as a measure of performance. That means that nobody who doesn’t know better will ever, ever, ever, ever actually use it correctly.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Similar, at least.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay, this makes some sense to me.
Is this why I’ve heard (more and more) that going for it on 4th down more often is a better strategy than always punting?
I think the 4th down thing is a more straighforward probability question, but the two do seem related nonetheless.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
That is correct. Somebody did that math and figured that if there’s a high probability that a team could get a first down on a 3rd and 3, that probability doesn’t significantly go down (if it all) if it’s a 4th and 3
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 24, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
well, it's an EPA question
(Expected Points Added) … what coaches tend to do is overestimate the penalty for failing to get the first down around mid-field…
It’s even worse in the red zone – because (unless there there are clock considerations) you should never kick a FG inside the 10 – because the EP of turning it over on downs is +2 (given the terrible field position for your opponent) for you anyway, while kicking the FG is only +2 (3 X chance you make + ~0.5 point against or so for the ensuing kickoff)
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There seems to be a lot of interest in punts lately, like when to punt and when not to punt and how most people punt in places where it’s more advantageous to go for it. Don’t know if it’s stat related (which is what I’m guessing) but I’m seeing debates over it pop up all over the place
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 24, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, it may be too…cuzza that college or highschool football coach who doesn’t even have a punter on his team. It was a story in the news awhile back. They always, out of necessity go for it on 4th down -or kick a field goal.
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EPA is not that far off. EPA has the same problem as DVOA is that if you get say, lots of carries in the 4th quarter of blowouts you will have bad rate numbers.
Or you can probably de-leverage WPA somehow. I was emailing with Brian of advancedfootballstats about this.
But in general – you cannot partition credit between players at all. Or rather, you can – but not in any believable way.
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I’ll have to learn more about EPA. I think this is not the first time you’ve mentioned it.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
simple version
is just the future points value of your current field position. Not sure if and how the time remaining (really number of future drives) is worked in.
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Grantland has a good post today using stats to break down Tim “Jesus” Tebow’s last minute rally to show that considering how badly the Dolphins botched things, it wasn’t that miraculous of a rally or at least Montana-esque.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 24, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I have been getting into Football analysis a little
What is incredibly difficult – impossible maybe – in football is to divvy up credit among the players on the field. However, the analysis is quite tractable on a play-by-play or situation level. Some advanced football analysis:
I think what would be really impressive is computed-aided analysis of the all-22 film. I assume that that teams already do this… but independent analysts don’t have access to the film (yet).
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interesting
Whether a stats-driven shift makes sense in handegg and whether it will happen I think are two separate questions. There was a blog piece in the WSJ a while ago (may be behind pay wall) which observed that stats-driven analysis is even happening in soccer — and despite the fact that it isn’t clear that what they’re measuring makes sense. Which is all to say that things are not always done for scientific reasons, even (presumably) “scientific” analysis.
Part of what may be happening is less a statistical revolution in sports and more a financial revolution in sports — that’s what comes to mind with the title of Jonah Keri’s book, for instance. Financial types have to figure out how to fiscally evaluate things that no one had bothered to measure precisely before and they use stats to do it.
by non sequitur on Oct 24, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve wondered about that and it seems like soccer might be the hardest one to do stats for considering the lack of things "happening (I love soccer so I don’t mean it in a negative way). I wonder, and kind of hope, that Everton or Fullham or even Tottenham figures out some Billy Beane system of rating under-valued soccer players and takes them up to the Big Boy level.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 24, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I think there is room for statistical analysis in soccer. It’s pretty shocking when you go on an established EPL team’s fan forum. Once you get past all the racism (I’m serious, it’s a huge problem over there), the evaluation of players is practically caveman-level. There’s a lot of jeans selling, lots of talk about “class” and whatnot. I’m sure the top managers do employ some sort of advanced stats report, like how many yards a player runs, pass completion percentage, tackles completed, etc. Ironically, I would bet you the teams that do use it are the world-class teams like Man U, Arsenal, Liverpool, Barcelona, etc. Most of the smaller clubs either are run by “old-school” men or simply can’t afford to employ a stats guy.
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by Murray, Present on Oct 24, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Once you get past all the racism (I’m serious, it’s a huge problem over there),
Alas, yes. I just read an interesting book comparing sports cultures in the U.S. and Europe. Part of the reason you don’t see the same type of stuff over here is that there’s virtually no nationalist dimension to American sports. Yeah, we get excited for the Olympics and increasingly the World Cup, but we’re still apathetic about the FIBA championships and the WBC. All our energies are directed to the Big 4, which are heated but parochial.
by non sequitur on Oct 24, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow. Thanks for that video
I knew there was a problem but I didn’t know it was so widespread.
They raise an interesting point about the fact that there has never been a widespread Civil Rights movement in Europe.
by WhatsAMataHari on Oct 24, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Class is a big issue in the UK, with football being a particularly working class sport.
Also, I’d like to argue that racism is way less in the EPL than in southern and eastern europe.
Clubs like Bolton (and managers like Sam Allardyce) are famed for having a very techy approach to the game, when he became manager of Newcastle he brought all of his team of analysts with him, so it’s not just the big clubs.
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Yeah, that ESPN piece I linked to was focused more on the ultras in La Liga and Serie A. The EPL just has hooligans, I guess.
by non sequitur on Oct 24, 2011 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
THE HOT STOVE HAS COMMENCED
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Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports the Pirates hired Giants strength/conditioning coach Ben Potenziano to be their assistant trainer.
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POTENZIANO!!!!!!!!!!
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I hope the Giants are at the very least getting back an elliptical machine from the Pirates.
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by calgiants86 on Oct 24, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
But I sold my hair to get YOU a comb!
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Bridge School Benefit
Did anyone else make it down there? Quick thoughts: Devendra Banhart sucks, always has sucked and will likely continue to suck. Beck and Eddie Vedder were good. Mumford and Sons were really good. Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds were incredible. Arcade Fire was good but by that time I had been at the venue for six hours, had spent four hours traveling before hand and I was incredibly drunk off $11 beers, so I kind of just wanted to go home.
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i think you have things fairly backwards
The first six innings are overrated.
i'd really like to see arcade fire. matthews is boring
by orange velvet on Oct 24, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
We’ll have to agree to disagree, but I’ll admit that I probably don’t have the ability to judge Dave objectively. I’d recommend AF live, definitely.
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Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds were incredible.
Was it just them or was it the whole band?
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Just Dave and Tim. I’ve seen DMB a number of times but this was my first Dave and Tim show. Much different and much better than I expected.
by JSing on Oct 24, 2011 1:05 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I was there yesterday...
Tony Bennett was the highlight for myself (LOL OLD!) – can’t believe his pipes are still so thrilling at 85 years of age and watching Count Basie’s old drummer, Harold Jones, pound it out was a treat as well.
I really enjoyed Beck at the Bridge again…‘tis funny, I’ve seen him at the BSB before and I dig it because due to the stripped down style of the gig he seems to default to playing selections from the moody/Americana’ish record that I’m most familiar with. The funky rave-up tune that closed the set was great as well, though hearing him and Neil come together on “Pocahontas” was a goose flesh moment for certain.
Loved Eddie Vedder (Beck joined for GP’s “Sleepless Nights”), Foo Fighters were enjoyable, Mumford & Sons had a bunch of energy though I wandered around a bit, Dave Matthews doesn’t do anything for me but must tip my cap to Tim Reynolds for hanging in there and somehow playing through all those bizarre times & phrasing that Dave digs. Arcade Fire was new to me…interesting, eclectic, Canadian. Neil joined them for a nice take on “Helpless.”
Weather was gorgeous, scene was PACKED…glad we had seats. Certainly not the best BSB I’ve ever attended…but for the 25th Annual – a great time was had.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 24, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Just becuase
Dodgers cut ticket prices to lowest they have been in decades and have lost 10,000 season ticket holders since 2007. http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/24/dodgers-lost-10000-season-ticket-holders-this-year/
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by say hey nation on Oct 24, 2011 12:53 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
The Javier Lopez-against-righties thing from earlier this season was a little strange
It wasn’t just earlier this season, though. It was the entire season. Javier Lopez had a platoon disadvantage a higher percentage of the time than Lincecum, Cain, Vogelsong, and Wilson. Those are all guys who, as a manager, you cannot easily control the platoon disadvantage and who, as an opposing manager, you can.
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Meaning that he was using J-Lo for full innings more in the early part of the season.
Especially at the expense of Romo. He cut that out, especially in September.
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 24, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I do recall a period where Lopez didn’t pitch much at all for, like, a month. Perhaps I just don’t remember the late-year use particularly well.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope, his usage was ver LOOGY-ish in September
He did pitch a lot of full inning in August, when Romo went down, and a few in April. He also seemed to be Bochy’s go-to arm in extra innings, pitching more than one inning in those situations 4 times.
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It was mocked here at the time...
…but Whiteside actually runs pretty well. I noticed him a couple times on the bases this year and he’s surprisingly fast. Posey, on the other hand, is pretty much a tutrle and the only reason we don’t notice it more is because he replaced Molina. The decision to PR Whiteside was based on some reasoning.
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
The truth of this will have no effect on the narrative.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 25, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
You mean like after the first two times?
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"Players seem to like and respect him or something"
what the heck does that " or something" mean?
i cant imagine the players, other than Huff, liking Bochy’s nutty moves any more than the fans did.
I also can’t imagine the players, mainly the SPs, being anything other than very disappointed on the wins. well, the LACK of wins. Which most would put a lot of the blame on Bochy for
You should try imagining more.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 24, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
stats or it doesn’t exist
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 24, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 24, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
didn’t Bochy pretty much lose control of the team towards the end there, leading to the collapse? I’m sure every other player knew just how bad Cabrera and Huff were, and wondered why they got special treatment
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
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by giant4life83 on Oct 24, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I seem to remember the team “collapse” happening in August, followed by spirited play down the stretch in September…albeit to little too late. Doesn’t sound like a “lost” squad to me.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 24, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey they didn’t even do the traditional rookie hazing this season… wtf is up with that?!?! That’s a sign of a tired, dispirited ball club!
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As I recall, the collapse began back at the end of June during that road trip that included visiting the White House.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Ugh…don’t remind me…that National series was brutal.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 24, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
ANOTHER 25 JOBS RUINED BY OBAMA
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
OBAMA LINKED TO DEATH OF STEVE
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OBAMA TO STEVE: FUCK YOU, BUDDY
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
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‘leading to the collapse’?
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 24, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
causing the collapse?
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by giant4life83 on Oct 24, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Which late collapse?
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 24, 2011 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
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#SFGiants 2B Joe Panik connects on his first AFL homer, a two-run shot in the second. Scottsdale on top of Peoria 2-1 in the third.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I somewhat give Bochy the benefit of the doubt this season as he was doing a lot of triage work, dealing with injuries and basic suckitude.. With everybody going down and everybody slumping, he was at points just trying to do something, anything, to get things going, whether it be a player or the team. Bochy wasn’t known for liking to bunt but because the team was in so many one-run games, he bunted more, he used Vroom a lot more than he could. In other words, due to the injuries and everything else, he was making a lot of shit up as he went along because he had no choice
Keep in mind too that Wilson might have been more hurt than they let on. Same with Romo. Maybe Fontenot got the Ebola that kept him from playing for months at a time? Was Torres just regressing or was his ADD really affecting him? Was Beltran and Pablo more hurt than was let on too? There’s a lot that went on that we really don’t know.
That said, there was enough weird things to make you wonder. Where did Frodonot go? Why Cabrera? Why the long leash for Huff and what happened to Belt? WHY CABRERA?
I’m not saying he’s a great manager or one of the best but it’s hard to judge anybody this past season because it was just such a mess of a season. I don’t think TLR and Casey Stengel’s love child could have done that much better.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 24, 2011 1:18 PM PDT reply actions
What bugs me about Bochy
is stupid hit & runs. With the pitcher at the plate, no less!
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
by Tortured on Oct 24, 2011 1:18 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Play distribution aside, running into outs was the absolute most frustrating thing for me.
I recall looking at some percentages, and finding that some of the worst double play hitters will hit into double plays less often than some of the best base stealers will get thrown out at second. So, protecting against the double play with a hit and run is pretty lousy. If the batter strikes out, your DP percentage just went up. If he doesn’t, the forced swing will probably cost good contact, anyway.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I think this is what I was sort of talking about above. Bochy usually doesn’t do hit and runs or bunts but if you’re team is having trouble scoring a run- just a run— you have to do hit and runs and bunts as a way to somehow manufacture runs. If the team had a better offense, he probably wouldn’t have done it so much. The problem, though, is that the Giants are always lousy at fundamentals so they’re not very good at even basic things like hit and running and bunting.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 24, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps howie’s point is that hit & runs aren’t actually better at “manufacturing runs” (how i hate that term), so why employ them? I really don’t see how having someone who is bad at hitting intentionally swing at whatever is there just to make contact is going to improve the team in any way.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
It doesn’t help people who are good at hitting, either.
That is a secondary aspect of my point. My main point is specifically targeted at hit and runs that are designed to avoid the double play, because this was the kind of hit and run that Bochy put on INCESSANTLY. It really doesn’t help.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Giants had 51 CS
Only 85 SBs. 62.5% is not coming close to breaking even, even in the low run environment of the 2011 Giants.
For comparisons, the Giants were 8th in CS but only 24th in SB. Only the White Sox and Cardinals had a worse SB success rate, and the Cardinals didn’t run very much, so really only the White Sox were worse about giving away outs on the basepaths.
The break even point decreases as run scoring declines.
Still not that low, though.
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….and so it begins…
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TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Oswalt is not worth 16 mil
Lidge is not worth 12.5 mil either
I would not be surprised to see them both resign…
Or Oswalt might go to someone like the…. Rangers
Lidge is big question mark, I would be surprised to see him sign more than a year on a get good contract.
by Myemail21479 on Oct 24, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Bochy is good with the pitching staff
Much better than Alou or Baker.
But Rowand led off 46 times and Tejada hit 2nd 20 times. Just so bad.
I was just going to post the Rowand got 350 or so at bats. Sheesh.
And the way Belt was treated was a crime.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
I just did a fanpost called “Contrast the Offseason” – here it is…
Tejada’s 343 and Rowand’s 351 plate apperances. Tejada managed 230/270/596, Rowand 233/274/621. Both had 4 HRs, most in garbage time against tier 2 pitchers. Tejada managed 12 walks, Rowand 10. Good thing Warrior Spirit was LEADING OFF (46 times for those counting) and Tejada had some good ol’ 2 hole time (20 times) to “get him started”.
The amazing thing is that Tejada and Rowand weren’t even the worst calls by Bochy. The Giants devoted something like half of a season’s worth of at bats to position players who OPS’d under .500. People joke about having two pitchers in the lineup, but it’s rarely literally that bad. The Giants actually, literally devoted more than half a season to running out lineups with what was essentially two pitchers.
And sometimes, one of them was batting second.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Needs more salt and pepper
No but really. Huff’s leash is supposed to be short next year. I think Belt will get way more at bats.
by Myemail21479 on Oct 24, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m of the mind Bork benched him vs LHP as much as possible to make himself look less stupid for saying lefties can’t hit lefties.
Can’t be showing up your manager by performing well, Brandon. Maybe someday you’ll be a good soldier.
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by giant4life83 on Oct 24, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Manny Burriss got 150ish PA too.
That guy hit ONE extra base hit all season, a double. wRC+ of 36! Thats higher than Cabrera by 2 points! I guess we can’t blame playing Cabrera on Bochy too since Sabean picked him up so he could play. Although wasn’t there a time when Freddy Sanchez and Fontenot were injured but Keppinger wasn’t with the team yet? They had to play Burriss because they had nobody else.
"I never stop being amazed by how much people who hate stats because they’re "flawed" quote so much more obviously flawed stats. " -Joe Posnanski
by RichHerreraHomer on Oct 24, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh crap
So this post hit at the same time I posted the interview with Gary Brown? Well, I’m at the office now, so you can all look it up yourselves. A leadoff hitter who thinks walks are overrated is perfect Giant material.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
If I live next to this guy I might kill him
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=UfcNoMnKjrY
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
OF COURSE IT IS IN RIVERSIDE
Wow that is crazy…. also that song is pretty overrated
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
Just want to leave this here:
It somehow seems appropriate for the McC.
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I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
by can of corn on Oct 24, 2011 2:04 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Someone on a blog said
there was a packet of Walt’s blue meth in the bunch of drugs that the redneck guy produced on The Walking Dead last night. Didn’t notice, is this true? If so, it’s the best thing about the episode.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Truth.
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
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I can't wait until I'm done with Dance With Dragons
So I can go into the spoiled discussion thread.
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by Murray, Present on Oct 24, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I still haven’t read it, and I’m thinking I’ll have to reread the whole series in order to have a clue what is going on in that. It’s been something like 7 years since I read the other books.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
BB ends with Walt releasing the virus that begins the zombie apocalypse.
by Natto on Oct 24, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
so it’s a prequel to Walking Dead?
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 24, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I understand those complaints about the series, but I never had a problem keeping track of time and place while reading Game of Thrones.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I couldn’t remember what was going on three chapters after I read it. I found myself turning to Wikipedia every few chapters or so
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 24, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
It's so simple!
Cersei is in King’s Landing of course, Jaime has been sent to Riverrun, where Brynden Blackfish is holding out against a Lannister siege, Jon Snow is at the Wall, Dorne is sandy and hot, and all the Greyjoys are at the kingsmoot. Duh!
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by Murray, Present on Oct 24, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think he's mostly misinformed
not dumb. There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
He is the good not great of dumb
"I never stop being amazed by how much people who hate stats because they’re "flawed" quote so much more obviously flawed stats. " -Joe Posnanski
by RichHerreraHomer on Oct 24, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
lol?
just reported on ESPN, Tebow has 2 comeback wins in of 14 or more points in 4 starts, Elway had 2 in 231 starts, just the facts
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Kenny Stabler had 109
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TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
HOW DARE YOU SUPPORT HIM
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Should the bronze bust they obviously should be working on right now for the Hall of Fame include a halo or leave it off?
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 24, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s because Elway didn’t usually get himself into situations where he is losing by 14 points, something Tim Tebow is very good at doing.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
To give him his due, the Dolphins are looking like a potential 1-15 team so it’s not like he did that against a team that could win more than 3 to 4 games.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 24, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Also
Tebow was the Anti-Lebron in that game… bad for 3 quarters and good for the fourth… I want the guy to succeed but he really hasn’t been spectacular in the NFL
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
There must be a repository somewhere of phrases that are synonymous with “just sayin’”.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
SO YOU ARE NOT SAYING!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 24, 2011 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
JUST THE FACTS, BRO
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by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't give a rat's ass about football
but does the Niners’ season mean that it doesn’t matter how bad your quarterback is if you have a good coach?
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Alex Smith isn’t bad anymore.
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
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by giant4life83 on Oct 24, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Alex Smith isn’t Ryan Leaf anymore
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
How is this possible? All I heard about preseason was that he was the worst quarterback that ever lived.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Alex Smith? He was never that bad….
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
actually
in 2005 he was the worst QB that ever lived (although he may have been dethroned by Jemarcus).
However, the last couple years he has been pleasantly mediocre.
This year he has been a pretty average NFL QB with flashes of high competence.
Brian Sabean: Sing His Praises To The Heavens!
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Until he tanks in the first round of the playoffs, just when everybody has finally convinced themselves he’s OK.
Yeah, I’ll be pissed if they make it into the playoffs.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 24, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
The Niners are probably going to make the playoffs. They only have to win 5 more games to clinch a spot. (play .500 ball)
by WhatsAMataHari on Oct 24, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
The Niners have a crazy good chance of making the playoffs. The defense is good. In the playoffs Smith might have to make some plays. And that might get ugly quick.
given their remaining schedule, they have a good shot at a first round bye.
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
by giant4life83 on Oct 24, 2011 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree. I think they make the playoffs but bow out early.
by WhatsAMataHari on Oct 24, 2011 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
In reality they have to win much less than that
I think 3 gets them in almost definitely, and their schedule is about 75% cakewalk from here on out.
The first six innings are overrated.
I think they are probably
the 3rd or 4th best team in the NFC (After GB, NO, maybe Giants).
Defense and Special Teams count too.
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Jesus, 1 TD and 11 picks. I think I had just completely blocked out how terrible that season was.
The first six innings are overrated.
that’s the huge thing, he’s not throwing picks anymore. I love that
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by giant4life83 on Oct 24, 2011 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s been downright average for two years now.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Alex Smith is the Niners' version of Nate Schierholtz and Brandon Belt having a baby...
…plenty of shining moments and more than a few intangibles to point to when people say he sucks, but never really given the chance to perform consistently due to lousy management or other factors more or less out of his control.
New management is giving him a chance, and while he’s not the next Steve Young, the team is playing some decent football…at least, as far as this baseball fan can tell.
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
No
You don’t really have to look much further than the Colts this season to see just how much of a difference the QB can make.
The first six innings are overrated.
The Colts have been really bad at drafting the last three or four years so they don’t have the players on the team that could carry on without Manning. Plus, Caldwell is kind of an idiot and Manning basically ran the team anyways.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 24, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s still just amazing how completely the team fell apart without him.
The first six innings are overrated.
The Colts were primed for a major collapse because Peyton was pretty much holding that team together but last night was ridiculous
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 24, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Brees scored 42 points for my fantasy team.
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I was on the other end of it. Started the game down by 10, ended it down by enough I don’t even have to worry about tonight
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 24, 2011 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps. The football coach does seem to have the most influence on the game of any of the “big four” sports coaches/managers.
by WhatsAMataHari on Oct 24, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
It has a huge impact in soccer… formation, substitutions, training, player purchases etc, player development…. etc etc
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
Interesting. I was referring to football/baseball/basketball/hockey.
I don’t know much about soccer. Their managers are in charge of purchasing/developing players? So it almost like a dual role.
by WhatsAMataHari on Oct 24, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Players can turn pro at a very young age in soccer so you can have somebody as young as 16 or so playing on a pro team… it is up to the manager and obviously his assistants if they want to loan them out for the season to a lesser club so they can get more experience playing or keep them on the squad for the year…. in soccer clubs have youth systems where kids are learning to play for the pro team from a very young age the manager wouldn’t be in charge of those. for player purchases the manager has a massive say in soccer.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
I think football coaches have the most to responsibility on them because football at this point is way more complicated than the other sports, although a lot of NFL head coaches let the assistant’s due the hard stuff and they at more as managers and make the big calls.
Always thought hockey would be the easiest coaching gig— figure out what line works best and throw them out there. I wish basketball coaches did that— just let the team play but now they all have designed plays the players have to follow which they call on the sideline.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 24, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
You can get by with a sub-par quarterback if you have good coaching, good D, and a good running back.
But then having all those things makes you think “man, if only we had a passable quarterback!”
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The D is the starting pitching and the QB is the lolineup
mind BLOWN.
The first six innings are overrated.
Yes. A good coach knows what a QB can and can’t do and builds everything around that. A bad coach thinks they can bring in Mike Martz in and have him turn into Kurt Warner in a few months. When teams with bad QBs win, like when the Raven’s won with Trent Dilfer, it’s mainly because other aspects of the team are good enough to survive and because the coach decides that one of the biggest things the offense should do is not let Dilfer throw the ball very much.
Plus, Harbaugh was a QB and understands the position better than a lot of coaches (like Nolan or Singletary) and can help him improve just through being coached up
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 24, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Bruce Bochy cost the Giants the playoffs with the whole Huff/Belt saga and the everyday play of Orlando Cabrera.
Don’t ever forget the Cabrera…
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I like Bochy’s bullpen management, but the whole Huff/Tejada/Rowand/Cabrera thing probably cost the Giants the postseason. I can’t get past that.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Yep. Many people are at fault for them missing the playoffs, but none more so than Bork. They should have made the playoffs
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by giant4life83 on Oct 24, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
hmmm
they needed 5 wins to beat the Cards.
Cabrera neg 0.6 WAR
Huff neg 0.6 WAR
Tejada 0 WAR
Rowand 0.7 WAR
Assumptions: Tejada and Huff go into the season as starters, but are benched after 200 PAs. Fewer than that seems not fair to bochy.
Huff had about 600 so he goes from -0.6 to -0.2
his 400 PAs go to Belt for a +1.4, net +1.8 WAR.
except Belt was injured for a while, so lets dock him 0.5 WAR and assume a 0. +1.3
Tejada + Cabrera only got 477 PAs for -0.6 WAR. I would assume they get 1/2 that (30 for Cabrera), so -0.3 WAR (net +0.3).
But those 230 PAs go to… Crawford? +0.5 WAR. Net +0.8. Not sure how healthy Fontenot would be…
So we are at +2.1 WAR
Rowand got 371 PA. Since he’s Aaron Rowand I am going to assume that 150 PAs is the correct amount, and give the rest the Schierholtz. Who, of course, has never played CF. If that’s too much for Rowand you can give it Ross/DeRosa/Burrell who were all nearly as bad when you factor in defense. And while UZR may be not reasonable… you have to penalize these guys for not playing CF somewhat.
211 more PAs for Schierholtz – +0.80 WAR which is a net of only 0.4.
Total gain: 2.5 WAR
So, no I do not agree that the Giants make the playoffs under your scenario… even if you somehow replace Rowands defensive value (~0.5 WAR)… still miss the playoffs by a game or two.
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Cabrera literally cost the team at least 3 wins with bad defense late in the game, so call it 5.5 WAR. I know that’s not how it works but we make an exception here as stats cannot decipher just how bad he was.
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<3 Kanani Madison
by giant4life83 on Oct 24, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
This is an opinion rooted in emotion
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 24, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
hate is not frustrated love
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
by giant4life83 on Oct 24, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m going to agree with you on clankmitt Cabrera. The Braves series in ATL comes to mind right away. Easily 3 games lost. Of course, Tejada did his damage too, mostly at the expense of MadBum.
Let’s not forget that by the end of the season, Pablo was really hurting, Cody and Nate out for the season, Wilson was hurt but the extent of which we weren’t told, PtB was officially not going to happen, and Beltran took a few weeks to recover from his injury and start playing like he could. Huff/Tejada/Cabrera was a little insane but it might not have made a difference anyways because, like the rest of the season, it’s hard to win games when your best players can’t play.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 24, 2011 2:52 PM PDT reply actions
this should go to the thread above
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 24, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Wilson wasn’t very good this season even when ostensibly healthy. Whether he was hurt the entire season is another matter entirely.
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I am still leaning towards the whole TacoBell thing is a money making grab cuz the dude’s arm is toast, or maybe a tostada.
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TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
SELL! SELL!
More walks per 9 and fewer K per 9.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 24, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
…Cabrera cost the team 3 games late with shoddy glovework, not to mention his non-existence as a hitter. throw in the difference between Belt and Huff, that’s probably another 3 wins.
86 wins turned to 92 just by using common sense.
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by giant4life83 on Oct 24, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think you can mix and match the way you’re doing.
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yes, I can. You just don’t have to agree with it.
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
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by giant4life83 on Oct 24, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Subtracting Cabrera with Fontenot/Crawford and Belt with Huff is still a pretty pitiful team when you add all the injuries to the outfield and Wilson
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 24, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Let's also remember
that we could have had Torrealba in the line-up for a few months at the cost of Casilla. But Bochy said, no, we need catchers who can work with these particular pitchers, so don’t trade for a catcher. Of course, you have to blame Sabean for listening to him, too.
by mrs. owlcroft on Oct 24, 2011 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I always thought that was a smokescreen for “we don’t want to pay Yorvit $3.25 million in 2012.”
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 24, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s my thinking too. Hell, if they signed Yorvit, maybe they wouldn’t have had the money to sign Beltran. Which brings us back to the very beginning
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 24, 2011 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL WUT
After 18 years at the top of the tourist charts, San Francisco has slipped to No. 2 – behind Charleston, S.C. – as the favorite North American destination among the 29,000 readers of Condé Nast Traveler.
Charleston?
The first six innings are overrated.
Too many people must have come in June/July and were scared off by the weather
by WhatsAMataHari on Oct 24, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
TGWTWS and pissed America off.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
Probably less homeless people peeing in the streets in Charleston.
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by Merope on Oct 24, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
But when you do see them peeing in front of your house they say, “Sorry, Ma’am!!”
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 24, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
That's the problem with San Francisco
The homeless don’t freeze to death in the winter.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
You think you have it bad
come to Santa Cruz. It’s a homeless heaven here. Homeless people come from all over the country because our cops are so nice to them.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Some SF snob once described her reasons to me for why San Francisco is superior Sacramento. “There are too many homeless people in Sacramento!”
Of all the arguments to make….
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
In SF they are just citizens choosing to participate in an alternative lifestyle.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 24, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Those firm-wallers always trying to keep the man down.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 24, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
THEY ARE THE 99%!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 24, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s all about America’s preoccupation with ghosts. Charleston is # for haunting and the tourists know it.
Over
by cybermaldonado on Oct 24, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Apparently tourists found SF to be unfriendly.
Personally, if every person I walked into on the street looked right at me and said Hi! How are you! with a smile, I’d freak out.
I rhyme with freak.
I should probably stop saying “Go fuck yourself” when tourists ask me to take their picture.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 24, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey, I tell people where the Cliff House is. I mean, yeah, I do just turn around and point …
I rhyme with freak.
I had to save some tourists from the beach flats here in Santa Cruz the other night. I am so glad they asked me directions. They were nice middle aged ladies, they would have scarred for life if they tried to find the beach by walking by all the crack dens and whores.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Maybe that’s what they were really looking for! You ageist you!!!
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Actual LOL
fivethirtyeight Nate Silver
Theory: all GOP candidates but Romney are intentionally tanking in hope of drafting Andrew Luck.
I'm also a little pissed off
the only World Series game I’ve seen was the 16-7 game, the worst one of the lot.
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
During that game I was sitting is someone’s backyard with 70 other people, sitting on the lawn, sipping wine and enjoying the most pleasant evening weather I can remember in the Richmond, all whilst listening to John Vanderslice give a private concert. He is a very nice person.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 24, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
There was a brief period a few years ago where John Vanderslice seemed to randomly show up on stage at every concert I went to. I think the dude just hung around backstage at Great American, waiting for someone to invite him out.
The first six innings are overrated.
I should try that.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 24, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Plenty of places to hide backstage at the GAMH…give it a shot Johnny!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 24, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
The downstairs warren does lend itself to skulking…
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 24, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
SONOFA-
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 24, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
The only one I’ve been to was the 10-4 shellacking the Angels put on Livan. The other two games were epic in their ways but there was nothing epic at all at that game other than how frackin cold it was
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 24, 2011 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I am not saying, but I am saying!
I am not eating, but I am eating!
I am not typing, but I am typing!
I am not rosterbating, but I am rosterbating!
I am not propellering, but I am propellering!
I am not squashing your junk under my shoe, but I am squashing your junk under my shoe!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 24, 2011 3:13 PM PDT reply actions
I am licking your toes, BUT I AM NOT LICKING YOUR TOES!
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 24, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
"Almost" O-Face
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 24, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
WHAT A RUSH!!!
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 24, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
It looks like somebody just gave him some whip-its
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 24, 2011 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
INVISIBLE SPACE SHUTTLE LAUNCH
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 24, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Twins player passed gas
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 24, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Apparently
He’s switched from cocaine to something out of Carlos Castaneda’s punch bowl.
WTH?
This double-posted and didn’t even work!
It’s supposed to say: Apparently he’s switched from cocaine to something out of Carlos Castaneda’s punch bowl.
Really?
SBN must be having some technical issues then.
SURE IT IS
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 24, 2011 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
No, really
I don’t hit the hard stuff until I get home from work.
IT'S ALL MADE OF STARS
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Oh written in the stars...A million miles away!!!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 24, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Focusing on just one flaw is like focusing on Pablo’s foot speed or Barry Zito’s
hittingpitching.
by betterthanbochy on Oct 24, 2011 3:37 PM PDT reply actions
Just get some hitlers to watch and we won't care who's managing
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
Hopefully they will have a final solution for the Giants offense.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
wow
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Oct 24, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Two little Hitlers will fight it out
Until one little Hitler does the other one’s will.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 24, 2011 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I I I I will return
I I I I will not burn
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I need my head examined
I need my eyes excited
I’d like to join the party
but I was not invited
Life is so much sweeter ever since TGWTWS
I wouldn’t cry for lost souls, you might drown
Dirty words for dirty minds
Written in a toilet town
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
now now… some people knew it.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I do! And your post made me sing it until my kid told me to stop.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
I still have it in my head now. Thanks for the earworm, Merope!
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Well, at least I accomplished something today!
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Ugh. Signing up for my last semester of law school classes
I can’t tell if it is just the senioritis or if there is really nothing I want to take next semester.
My 3L I took a RICO class that turned out to be pretty awesome (didn’t hurt that my prof had been in the US Atty’s office in NY working mafia cases – he had some awesome wiretap transcripts).
And also, Sports and/or Entertainment Law is also kind of fun.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
Since I specialize in IP I have already taken: Sports law, IP in the Entertainment industries, and TV & Film Law.
This semester I could choose between: Art & Cultural Property law (aka “Those Nazis stole our paintings”), Music Law, or Video Game & Social Media Law.
But of course all these classes require papers, are late at night, and are for only 1/2 units. Plus, I feel like if I take too many “fun” courses people will look at my transcript and laugh.
by WhatsAMataHari on Oct 24, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
omg katy perry and i have the same birthday
of course she got to have sex with matt thiessen
I rhyme with freak.
I am less impressed by that than I am by her being related to the Hudson Brothers.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 24, 2011 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Where're the space geeks?
Love that song. Plays on my pandora all the time.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Just hanging around turning hydrogen into helium.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 24, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
PESSIMIST!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 24, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
No it isn't.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
SBN is freaking right the fuck out.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I had big problems earlier
Seems to be calmed down now.
He’s frustrating, but not the worst manager. I do wonder if they saw something in Belt’s personality, mechanics, or something else that just made them think he won’t make a smooth transition to the pros. So they came to the conclusion they’d better find a way to get Huff to be better.
I don’t know, whatever it was… I don’t ever want to go back to the days of Felipe or Dusty. I’m not GLAD he’s our manager, but I don’t hate it either.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Bruce Bochy should spend all of the 2012 season dressed as a clown.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 24, 2011 4:23 PM PDT reply actions
I donut like clowns.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 24, 2011 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I do like donuts.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
Niblets is her own pleasure.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 24, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not quite "My love is complete", but. . .
I just sent an email agreeing to do something for my nephew, in which I inadvertently wrote “I’ll be my pleasure” instead of “It’ll be my pleasure.”
The first version sounds wrong to send to my niece’s husband, is all I’m saying.
Ack.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
lol
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 24, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Yipes…
Send another email with nothing in it ’cept a “t”
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I sent an immediate follow up with a correction.
I fear it will not be enough to stave off any well-deserved mocking.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
PLEASURE PROVIDER!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 24, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Could've been worse
You could’ve said “I’ll be your pleasure”
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
You just now learned this? She is also Tinkerbell’s voice. Thinking of all these things while watching Avatar made it particularly amusing at times.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
After the first few episodes I had to look it up because she sounded so familiar.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
i think she does just voices for animation.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
BLUE BOOBS
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 24, 2011 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
ANIME BOOBS
Brian Sabean: Sing His Praises To The Heavens!
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game that seems to have resurrected itself in my absence...
hey, ex-Giants shithead catcher..
Octavio Dotel has been everyones former teammate
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
I don't see what I could add to the Bruce Bochy converstion, so I'll OT: Breaking Bad
So I’m at the point where Skyler is lecturing Walt about being careful about what he does with his money. Meanwhile, he lives in a fucking expensive condo/town home thing. I’m pretty sure his condo is a lot more obvious than a champagne bottle. Plot hole…
My adopted Giant, the young Reinier Roibal
Clearly none of us have lives.
That is why we are on here all the time.
by WhatsAMataHari on Oct 24, 2011 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Supposedly. We will see if it turns into a football game again or not.
by WhatsAMataHari on Oct 24, 2011 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
My favorite waitress called in sick today
Then I saw her facebook status as “OMG I’m SO HIGH”
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
You have a favorite waitress?
And you friended her on facebook? hmmmm…
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
And mine.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
FLO!!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 24, 2011 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I mean, who could resist that beehive?
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 24, 2011 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus jct has been known to hang around the VFW
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 24, 2011 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Her facebook wall is public
but yes I have a favorite waitress <.<
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I have a favorite bartendress. No idea if she’s aware that I’m alive.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
The fact remains that you looked her up on Facebook.
I don’t think I’ve ever looked up one of my waitresses or baristas or other such on Facebook.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
Is this waitress like lingerie coffee shop waitress, or normal restaurant waitress?
The first six innings are overrated.
It’s tastefully revealing dammit
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I for one will not join in on the bourgeois disapproval about your waitress and FB related activities. Live the dream.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 24, 2011 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly
Whatever twirls your beanie, Jct!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 24, 2011 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I find it fascinating that nobody gives a shit about the highness
but WOW JCT HAS A FAVORITE WAITRESS lol
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
We care about you
We don’t even know her.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 24, 2011 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
ah thanks Lars
you’re the best!
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
You're welcome
Now how do we get to know her?
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 24, 2011 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions
SHE'S MINE
GO AWAY
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Generous tipping will not hurt in that endeavor.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 24, 2011 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
It is pretty generous.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 24, 2011 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
MEDICINAL
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2011 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions
RAWR!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 24, 2011 4:55 PM PDT reply actions
GOOD NEWS, EVERYONE
Ol’ Letter is back on the market!
God, what a day.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Do you get a preorder bonus?
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2011 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions
....
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Poor Letter.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
Sorry, mate.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I’ll live to fight another day.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
DAN UGGLA IS UNMARRIED!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
You know you and jim belong together anyway. Sorry, tho, no fun breaking up.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
A new door opens!
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 24, 2011 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
YOU'RE A DOOR!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 24, 2011 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, and it took me only three years to find this one! I’m sure tomorrow will bring suitors by the dozen!
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
he’s probably republican anyway you can do better
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
lol GiantPain
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
GP is like my brother from another mother
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Maybe you have improved with practice!
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 24, 2011 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I certainly learned a lot.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Give yourself sometime and then….who knows… The Mr and I met online and were friends for many years, always complaining about our stupid failed relationships to each other.
Then after one of those break ups somebody mumbled the catastrophic words “If only I could meet someone like you…”
Well, duh!
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
That sucks :(…
How long were you guys together?
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
Just five weeks. I know that doesn’t sound like a huge deal, but the mystery was why it happened so suddenly.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
It’s not you, it’s him.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
u know nothing
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
IT'S NOT YOU IT'S HIM
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
IT'S NOT YOU ITS JIM
The first six innings are overrated.
by apistat on Oct 24, 2011 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
shift-ayyyyyyy
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
KHALESSI
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
/mounts the world
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Damn you, public legal employees!
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Interesting read
Best part:
However, the brand’s early success soon began to backfire. The problem was, the ads had worked too well in persuading the Insecure Novices and Enthusiastic Novices to buy the product. Geeks and dorks everywhere were now buying Axe by the caseload, and it was hurting the brand’s image. Eventually (in the United States, at least), to most high-school and college-age males, Axe had essentially become the brand for pathetic losers and, not surprisingly, sales took a huge hit.
And a reader comment much smarter than the article itself:
Kirk Holden 4 hours ago
I especially like the part where the ad men went to 1000 bars for 2 years and then made up 6 categories the night before the big pitch with the suits. Then the same geniusy geniuses put girls in bikinis – an idea foreign to the American public – in TV commercials. Girls. In bikinis. On the TV. Then they sold something or other to some people or something. Genius.
The first six innings are overrated.
Axe is awful smelling. I’m sure that can’t help their sales.
by WhatsAMataHari on Oct 24, 2011 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know what it smells like at all, although I’ve probably been around people wearing it. I won’t buy it just on principle. I think I avoid products based on their advertising a lot more than a buy them.
The first six innings are overrated.
Good evening ladies and gentlemen
A happy Vicodin day to you all.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
SO IT WAS YOU THAT TOOK MY WAITRESS AWAY
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I have her sequestered in my dungeon.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Oct 24, 2011 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I used to love vicodin. Then this last time around it made me so sleepy, stupid and barfy. It’s not my friend anymore.
Getting old sucks.
Where the hell you been, man?
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
Crap pickles
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 24, 2011 5:13 PM PDT reply actions
Sounds painful.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
Stings a bit.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 24, 2011 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Bochy's pretty terrible.
But as others have noted, there are a decent amount of managers worse than him.
Ron Paul 2012
by GovernorStephCurry on Oct 24, 2011 9:27 PM PDT reply actions
Sabean's the bigger issue honestly.
Ron Paul 2012
by GovernorStephCurry on Oct 24, 2011 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions
It seems that although there is controversy about Bruce Bochy, he has done, and continues to do, a great job. Each manager does things that are going to upset people. The fact that he is still in the game is good.
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