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BPro Relative Draft Age Article: What does it mean for the Giants?

I pointed this out in Fla-Giant's thread about the AFL and AIL, but I decided to do a separate FanPost on it.  Last week, Rany Jazayerli of Baseball Prospectus and Grantland posted a two part article titled "Starting Them Young."  Part one is here and part two is here.  If you are interested in prospect development at all, I highly encourage you to read the articles.  They are very well thought out and very informative, and even though there's a lot of math in the middle, the conclusions are very interesting and could be very important.

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Jazayerli comes to many conclusions over the course of the two articles, some of the most important of which I will block-quote below:

Let me repeat that: a team that drafted one of the five youngest high school hitters selected among the top 100 picks could expect MORE THAN TWICE AS MUCH VALUE from him as a team that selected one of the five oldest high school hitters. And that’s not a small sample size fluke; that’s a result derived from 32 years of the draft, looking at 160 players from both camps.

The other thing the chart reveals is that the five-year return for the oldest players in a draft class has been at or below 0% in every year of the study. There has never been a time when old high school hitters generated a positive return.

This is, all modesty aside, quite possibly the most impressive and significant finding of my career. When it comes to the drafting of high school hitters, even slight differences in age matter. At least when it comes to high school hitters, young draft picks are a MASSIVE market inefficiency.

We can safely say that the youngest 20 percent of high school hitters in any particular year will return, on average, about double what the oldest 20 percent of high school hitters will.

In other words, a 17-year-old player drafted #100 overall has as much expected value as an 18-year-old drafted #24. If a player who might look like a third-round pick on talent alone happens to be a full year younger than his draft class, he ought to be considered a late-first-round pick.

The difference in value between a player born in, say, October and in April is the difference in value between the #100 pick and the #43 pick, or the difference between the #30 pick and the #18 pick.

The article is free to non-suscribers, which I why I feel ok with copying such large tracts of text.  There's a ton of other good stuff there, so I would encourage you to read it if the nuggets above piqued your interest.

This is all well and good, but the question we all want to know is "how does this affect the Giants?"  In an effort to answer that question, I went back through every Giants draft since 1990, looking at high school hitters drafted in the first 30 rounds.  In actuality, from 1990 through about 2002 I could only look at players drafted in the first 10 rounds, since Baseball-Reference doesn't have birthdays for draft picks after the 10th round for that time period.  I ended with 27 players the Giants have drafted since 1990 that fit those criteria.

My first impression of the data is that, for the majority of this time period, the Giants shied away from high school hitters in the draft.  Since 2007, the Giants have drafted (and signed) 10 high school hitters; in the 17 years before that, they only drafted and signed 17.  My second impression?  The Giants' management of old really stunk at drafting high school hitters.  From 1990 to 2007, the best high school hitter management drafted and signed was Travis Ishikawa (drafted in 2002, career 0.9 rWAR).  The best high school hitter they ever drafted was J.D. Drew in 1994, but of course he didn't sign.

*Late addition:  Stumbled over this bit of awesome while researching this post.  Tony Torcato, who the Giants drafted in the first round in 1998 out of Woodland High School, is nearly two years younger than Andres Torres.

In part two of his article, Jazayerli splits his data set into five "buckets."  I'll spare you the gory details, but he describes each draft pick as either Very Young, Young, Average, Old, or Very Old.  Using his same constraints, I grouped the Giants' draft picks into these buckets.  Since 1990, the Giants have drafted 5 players Jazayerli classified as Very Young, 5 who were Young, 6 who were Average, 4 who were Old, and 7 who were Very Old.  That, in hindsight, isn't great draft strategy.  The oldest player drafted in the set was Wendell Fairley, who was 19 years and 73 days old when drafted in the first round in 2007.*  That year, the Giants actually used three first-round picks on high school hitters, the other two being Nick Noonan and Charlie Culberson.  Perhaps not surprisingly, those two have turned out to be better prospects than Fairley, at least thus far.

*Note: Just as Jazayerli did in his article, I standardized "draft day" as June 1st of each year, to maintain consistency.

The good news for Giants fans is that the organization's mindset seems to be changing.  In 2009, the Giants took high school catcher Tommy Joseph in the second round.  At 17 years, 320 days old on draft day, he qualified as Young, and thus far he has performed.  In all likelihood he will rank among the Giants' top 5 prospects, and certainly among the top 10.  The following year the Giants drafted Chuckie Jones in the seventh round, another draftee who classified as Young.  He struggled this year in Salem-Keizer, but he still shows lots of promise and it is certainly too old to give up on him yet.  This year, the Giants drafted and signed two high school hitters from Puerto Rico, Christian Diaz and Jean Delgado.

All signs seem to point towards a shift in the management's philosophy about high school hitters, which, according to Jazayerli's research, is a good thing for the organization.

Comment starter: What do you think of Jazayerli's article? 

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That is a CalBear989-sized set of block quotes, isn’t it?

"I never argue with people who say baseball is boring because baseball is boring. Except, suddenly, it isn't. And that's what makes it great."
-Joe Posnanski

by free f.p. #14 on Oct 17, 2011 3:04 PM PDT reply actions  

That’s fascinating. Last year, I kind of offhandedly suggested something very like this as an overlooked element in Wendell Fairley’s arc; glad to see real data supporting my supposition.

MY DAD WAS WRONG!
MY BOY NEEDS TO THROW HARDER!

by Roger on Oct 17, 2011 3:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Do you have the links to the 2 fanposts that you did earlier this year on how age affects prospects once they begin their minor league careers? I think those would dovetail nicely in this discussion, as they come to pretty much the same conclusions – without limiting it to only HS position players.

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

by Fla-Giant on Oct 17, 2011 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great reads

Part 1

Part 2

Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil

by marcello on Oct 17, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Those were great too. However, I was thinking of the posts (maybe it was just 1 post) where Roger looked at what measurable traits minor leaguers possessed, in aggregate, that best predicted their future success in the major leagues. He showed that being very young for ones league was one of the most predictive traits, (I think) second only to draft position.

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

by Fla-Giant on Oct 17, 2011 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here it is. Man, that took longer to find than it did to write.

MY DAD WAS WRONG!
MY BOY NEEDS TO THROW HARDER!

by Roger on Oct 18, 2011 6:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Yeah, I couldn’t find it when I searched. For some reason I thought that it was a stand-alone fanpost. I seem to have conflated your 2 fanposts on the importance of draft order with the long comment you posted in the CPL post.
 
If you have the inclination, perhaps you should do a cut-and-paste of your comment as a separate fanpost sometime soon.

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

by Fla-Giant on Oct 18, 2011 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nice

I couldn’t find it either.

Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil

by marcello on Oct 18, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does Wendell Fairly have an arc?

"Don't trust anyone under the age of 30" - Brian Sabean

by Smotheredinhugs on Oct 18, 2011 5:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Really interesting article. I’m curious how much the hall of fame guys such as Arod, Ricky Henderson, Brett, Griffey Jr. and Johnny Bench can skew the numbers for the early guys. There seemed to be a ton of star power in the top half balanced out with… Shawon Dunston in the back half? I guess my question is how much do stars skew numbers when so many draft picks end up not making any contribution at all to the majors?

by shankbone on Oct 17, 2011 3:41 PM PDT reply actions  

I think that’s part of his point. Those guys are throwing off the data by being so good, they prove the data by being so good.

"I never argue with people who say baseball is boring because baseball is boring. Except, suddenly, it isn't. And that's what makes it great."
-Joe Posnanski

by free f.p. #14 on Oct 17, 2011 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I mean “aren’t,” of course.

"I never argue with people who say baseball is boring because baseball is boring. Except, suddenly, it isn't. And that's what makes it great."
-Joe Posnanski

by free f.p. #14 on Oct 17, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

also, I liked the explanation for Wendell Fairley.

by shankbone on Oct 17, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

He is not very good at baseball is he?

by Mrbasepaul on Oct 17, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

He does, however, make an excellent motorcycle model.

"He has maybe one of the best arms I've ever seen; he could be playing by the concession stand and he's not out of position." - Andy Skeels, talking about 3B Chris Dominguez.

by Lyle on Oct 18, 2011 3:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I only read the block quotes, but the conclusion seems very interesting and valid.
After watching the Biggest Loser and seeing Antone Davis, draft pick bust, I looked at his biography. Drafted as a 24 year old, he played 6 years in the NFL. yah, that sounds about right. How many players in the nfl play well, let alone at all, after they hit 30. 2 years difference between a lot of players coming out of college, yet he was picked 1st round 9th overall. Obviously baseball is different, but i wrote this anyways and i don´t feel like deleting it.

by Mrbasepaul on Oct 17, 2011 3:57 PM PDT reply actions  

The other 2% is just statistics.

"When the Giants call up a 21-year-old Venezuelan catcher who started the year in San Jose, was hitting well with poor plate discipline, but wasn't on Baseball America's preseason list of the organization's 30 best prospects, only good things can happen."
Congratulations, Hector!

by tedfordfan on Oct 19, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I feel like that is kind of my life, writing a dissertation for grad school. I know this is crap, but I must keep it.

by Mrbasepaul on Oct 20, 2011 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

and i think that’s why this site is so brilliant

by Mrbasepaul on Oct 20, 2011 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wish that Jazayerli would publish his raw numbers

The results he comes up with only compare a prospects expected value (based on a formula created by him) versus his career non-negative WARP number. He really needs to publish a chart of how all of the players WARP numbers match up regardless of where they were drafted in the top 100.

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

by Fla-Giant on Oct 17, 2011 4:59 PM PDT reply actions  

One thing I noticed about the data when doing the meager research necessary for this post is that biographical information, even something as simple as a birth day, is nearly impossible to find for draft picks drafted after the top 100 for any year before about 1990. For 1990-2000 (about) biographical information can only be found for the first 25 or 30 rounds. That could be part of the reason Jazayerli limited his study to the top 100 of each year.

"I never argue with people who say baseball is boring because baseball is boring. Except, suddenly, it isn't. And that's what makes it great."
-Joe Posnanski

by free f.p. #14 on Oct 17, 2011 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

When I am eligible for the draft this year, I will be several months away from my 18th birthday

I suggest that some team draft me and give me a sizable bonus as a result of this study.

"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."

by El Person on Oct 18, 2011 9:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Someone should have drafted me. I was 17 1/2 when I graduated.

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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 20, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Same here

And sure enough, throughout my work career my VORP has been higher than all but about 2% of my co-workers. Just goes to show…..

"He has maybe one of the best arms I've ever seen; he could be playing by the concession stand and he's not out of position." - Andy Skeels, talking about 3B Chris Dominguez.

by Lyle on Oct 21, 2011 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, man, I was 18 1/2. This explains so much!

MY DAD WAS WRONG!
MY BOY NEEDS TO THROW HARDER!

by Roger on Oct 21, 2011 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ha

I was 17.265 on June 1st of my draft year – putting me in the “Very Young” category. Where are my millions?

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

by Fla-Giant on Oct 21, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think there may be a codicil missing from this study.

MY DAD WAS WRONG!
MY BOY NEEDS TO THROW HARDER!

by Roger on Oct 21, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

College hiters vs High School

I can not see a comparison of drafting HS vs College hitters It seems like the current wisdom is pick HS super-studs or 3rd yr College hitters. . I would like to see their charts compared.

Go Giants

by Gianni on Oct 22, 2011 4:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Extrapolation FTW!

I am now allowing the Giants to draft my 7-year-old!

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by zenbitz on Oct 25, 2011 12:04 PM PDT reply actions  

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