Jimmy Rollins and Offseason Priorities for the Giants
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 11, 2011 12:08 PM PDT
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PrintJimmy Rollins wants a five-year contract. Of course he does.
"If I was older, I’d take shorter years," said the soon-to-be 33-year old Rollins. "I’m looking to get five years. If it’s shorter than that, there’d have to be a fifth-year option, my option."
This is tangentially related to the Giants because they need a shortstop, Rollins is a shortstop, and Rollins is from the Bay Area, which is how the Giants usually get all of their free agents. Well, the hometown discount is one thing, and the other way they get free agents is by overpaying players for contracts that are too long, but it's mostly the hometown thing.
Actually, I'm pretty sure that the Giants have never signed a big free agent who was from the area. Well, Tyler Walker was a big free agent from San Francisco, but don't be so literal.
There's only one source for the speculation that Rollins might want to play closer to where his roots is*, and that's the well-deserved arrogance and elitism that Bay Area residents have cultivated by living in the best place in the world. I've never been to Philadelphia, but I'm pretty sure it's filled with Cheez-Whiz fountains and seedy tourist traps filled with animatronic Founding Fathers. Sounds tacky. So of course Rollins would rather play here.
Rollins isn't going to get a five-year contract, though. And the Giants certainly aren't going to sign an ex-Phillie for five years and too much money.
Again. They won't do it again. I can guarantee this because of the simple fact that
But whenever Rollins, Jose Reyes, or even Rafael Furcal come up, the Giants' Twitterverse jumps alive. We're all expecting a long rosterbation season for shortstops, and Rollins really does seem like a Sabean player. He's fast (or was), he plays a position of need, and he's a wily vet who has been around the block and knows how to win and fits in well with the clubhouse as a class act. That's why we're scared of him. Those kind of players usually get a contract that's a year too long from the Giants, and that's when we get lucky.
This isn't a post to argue for or against Rollins for a year or five -- there will be way too much time for that in November and December. But it's just a note that the Giants' offseason priority list looks something like this:
1. Shortstop
2. Shortstop
3. Shortstop
4. Carlos Beltran or other corner outfielder
...
...
159. Anything else.
And that's probably how it should be. But the market is something like this:
Jimmy Rollins
Jose Reyes
Rafael Furcal
Clint Barmes
Bart Climes
Clint Q. Barmes (not that one)
Which is extra-super scary. Whenever Rollins speaks for the next two months, it's going to be Giants-related news. Fair warning.
* Steve Miller should totally rhyme "roots is" with "SCOTUS." That's why I didn't change it to "roots are." Hoping he reads this. ♥ U STEVIE
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I didn't realize that Rollins was this old
/green light
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
Expecting to be signed through age 38 seems a bit… ambitious.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Oct 11, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Not with Sabean on the prowl…
This has all the makings of being a situation where no one wants to give Rollins more than 3 years, Sabean goes up to four to get his man, and we all cry when Rollins hits .215/.265/.305 in the first year of the deal.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Oct 11, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
And is on the DL for three months
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
still sort-of hoping SFG picks up Furcal
1- or 2-year deal, $6ishM/year, bounceback season(s), dude actually plays ~150 games/year, Giants win the West
/science
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Furcal potentially being in the world series...
might drive his price up a little bit. Dude might want Uribe money after that.
Actually, I’m pretty sure that the Giants have never signed a big free agent who was from the area.
Randy Johnson?
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Also a little-known fella named Bonds…
by VanLandingham'sHair on Oct 11, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Re-reading that, I can see how I could have used a sarcasm font for my claim.
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 11, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bobby Bonds
Was from Riverside. That’s a bit a of a stretch extending the Bay Area to SoCal.
by GiantSharkie on Oct 12, 2011 1:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought Bobby's Grandson decided not to pursue baseball like his grandpa.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
by Cody_ransom on Oct 11, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
What, you want 7 footers?
what exactly qualifies as big for you?
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
by Cody_ransom on Oct 11, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dude was unrated
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Grant said to stop being so literal.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 11, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
My johnson is literally randy.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 11, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Rollins for 4/45 and Beltran for 4/50
/offseason done.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Does it matter if I do or not?
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
He still sees the glass as 1/4 full!
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by howtheyscored on Oct 11, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Beltran will end up getting three years from whomever signs him. And I can alllllmost see Rollins for four years at that price, but only because I’m scared the window can close in the next two or three years.
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 11, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Blint Carmes for 7 years it is, then!
Also, I’d rather have Carroll than Barmes. Furcal is interesting though, if they’re gonna be cheap about it, which they will be.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I think the Cards will give him too much money, and it will work out just like Berkman did.
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 11, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
They're going to play him in the outfield?!
I could see him staying with the Cards though. After Reyes Rollins Furcal and maybe Carroll, the list of free agents who I’d be OK seeing opening day for the Giants is non-existent.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
1B Raphael "Arcangel" Furcal
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 11, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
last I checked, Bonds’ 2007 OPS+ was the same as Votto’s 2010 OPS+
let that sink in.
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd rather get a poke in the eye with a sharp stick
than sign professional reject Clint Barmes.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Laundry, man. Laundry.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
I’d be ok with them signing him to do their laundry. Murph could use some help in the clubhouse.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Oct 11, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Reyes for 1 dollar a year for 5 years and Pujols for a 1.50 a year for 5 years!
Done!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
So they'll be CEOs?
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Welcome to my new adopted Giant, Carlos Beltran. Well, actually, you're more like a foreign exchange student staying at my house for the summer. Regardless, win us a world series! ...ormaybe a game or two.
Crawdaddy at SS
Pujols at 1B
Belt, Huff, Nate in OF
by Myemail21479 on Oct 11, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd rather Reyes than Pujols
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Sign both of them
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
In indelible ink, on the arms, so they can’t wash it off!
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 11, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Butt tattoos.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 11, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
But then I'd feel guilty about our payroll!
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I’ve been dealing with guilt my whole life. Just add it to the pile!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I imagine both will get a good deal more than that
AKA, what Lars said.
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Rollins becomes just as mediocre as the rest of em in AT&T Park
No thank you.
At this point, I'm pretty much done with surprises - Michael Crabtree
Such fail here by the Angels
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Arte Moreno indicates he won’t hire an experienced GM. http://www.ocregister.com/sports/moreno-321323-angels-years.html Which will fuel perception that Mike Scioscia is in charge
Buster Olney
Only folks in the room know how much influence is wielded by Scioscia in decision-making, but presumption outside is that he has the hammer
This is why you end up with Jeff Mathis at catcher and Mike Napoli playing for your division rival in the ALCS
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
And this is how you become a 2nd place team consistently losing the division to the Rangers
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 11, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d say the power shift is more a testament to the successes of the Rangers rather than the failures of the Angels.
The health of Kendrys Morales has hurt the Angels big-time, and they seem to have parted with Figgins and Lackey at the right time. They are getting good value for Jered Weaver and Dan Haren, and Mike Trout is waiting in the wings
The trade for Vernon Wells, unfortunately, is indefensible.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
The Rangers appear to be building some sort of mini-dynasty down there (they have a HUGE TV contract) and so the Angel’s have to do something radical. Firing the not-great GM and replacing him with the Coach because he’s got all the power is not a way the way to do it. It’s almost as dumb as firing the Managing Partner after winning a World Series but who’d be dumb enough to do that?
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 11, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I will point out that Buster Olney spouts bullshit all the time.
None of this is confirmed; he will often tweet BRAKING RUMORZ and later report that there is no truth to those rumors.
Keith Law is of the opinion that the outgoing GM was “in over his head.” I agree that they have to kick it up a notch to keep up with the Rangers, but it’s not like they completely folded this season or anything. Disappointing yes, but they’re two only seasons removed from the ALCS. Morales breaking his leg in 2010 might be the best thing that ever happened to the Rangers, because it opened the door for them.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
But if the industry has the perception that Scioscia wields the hammer (i've seen Kevin Goldstein tweet something similar)
Then I think there’s some truth to it. And I think it’s foolish.
Scioscia’s fingerprints were all over Napoli’s exile
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Scioscia’s fingerprints were all over Napoli’s exile
Could the same thing be said about Colby Rasmus and Tony LaRussa?
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 11, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I think what he’s saying is Rasmus and Napoli are completely diff players that only have the manager hate in common
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I was under the impression that Rasmus was traded due to the fact that TLR didn’t like him. If “Scioscia’s fingerprints are all over Napoli’s exile”, why aren’t people like Buster Olney suggesting that TLR “has the hammer”?
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 11, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Because it's not news.
LaRussa’s been in charge of the Cards since Jocketty left, if not earlier. And his rule, if problematic in any number of ways, never resulted in a debacle quite like the Napoli-Wells trade.
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by operation carrot on Oct 11, 2011 12:24 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Well, Tyler Walker was a big free agent from San Francisco, but don’t be so literal.
Tyler Walker’s hair is disappointed you didn’t mention it.
He already invoked Dustan Hermanson’s goatee yesterday. Give the poor bastard a break.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Oct 11, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
From the sounds of this Rollins interview,
he won’t be coming here. Sabean won’t do five, nor should he, and they’re not going to give a 37 year-old a player option either. Plus, Rollins also said that he may end up staying in Philly. At least we can cross Rollins off the list early.
Responsible for the last great homegrown Giants team.
I hope they sign him for much too much
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by Myemail21479 on Oct 11, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Is it do not want, or do not want based on the amount of money you think he’s going to get?
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
money and length
He’s not exactly like… rewrite the entire Giants offense level of a bat. And if the noose tightens in the next couple of years financially, I’d rather be stuck with, y’know Matt Cain than Jimmy Rollins
by Cap M on Oct 11, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
OK
But to be clear, you’d be OK if Jimmy Rollins was on the Giants if it was at a price you agreed with. He’d make the team better, right?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
He makes the team better, but
the general price range he is demanding prohibits the Giants from signing the “rewrite the entire offense” bat they need. I’m not hopeful to sign him.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Would Reyes be that bat?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Rollins would make the team better. He has Freddy Sanchez like intangibles. So his 3rd year will suck and his 4th year will suck worse. Does Amaro Jr. match a 4th year offer?
I am all but certain that Rollins is gone from Philly.
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I am not certain of anything, but I think they might hit the panic button (again) following their early exit from the playoffs and eject Rollins in the process.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
This is what I am think as well. They will spend money to keep Hamels and Oswalt. They need to sign a closer and give more money to Pence.
With Howard out, RAJ may wish to get a “big” bat and ditch Rollins. All the criticisms so far is the lack of production from the offense in the playoffs.
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I think they hit the panic button and they don’t give the keys to the rookie shortstop who has one minor league of hitting. Madsen and Oswalt will be gone before Rollins.
They could also pursue Reyes, is my point. He’s younger and better than Rollins.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
This is who they absolutely should sign
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Mets fans would absolutely flip out if he went to the Phillies. I hope he does.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I mean, I hope Reyes comes to the Giants
But it would be pretty funny to see him on the Phillies.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Ryan Braun thinks the Brewers are more likely to sign Reyes than they are to re-sign Fielder.
Which makes sense. Reyes seems like the perfect brand of asshole for that organization.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
What?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
He’s an asshole?
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by howtheyscored on Oct 11, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s demonstrative and hot-headed in the same way that many players on that team are. I hate watching it.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I don’t mind fiery players as long as they aren’t doing anything douchy.
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Hot headed?
How so?
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by Blame-everyone-else on Oct 11, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
this is all assuming that you can’t make him a good offer at 3 years or that he’ll get 5 elsewhere. I’m sure if enough things are thrown at him for three years, including free burritos and anything else he misses from growing up here, he would come here. Or any other team that wants to throw money at him.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 11, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
There aren’t too many bats of that nature available. If I had to make a list, Pujols, Fielder, Reyes and Beltran are the obvious subjects, but signing the former two makes no sense for the organization.
And obviously, Rollins and Reyes are somewhat mutually exclusive. Long story short, if you sign Rollins you sign neither Reyes nor Beltran.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
?
I think you mean that if you sign Reyes, you can sign neither Rollins nor Beltran.
Reyes $ = Rollins + Reyes $
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So Rollins = 0?
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
No, I don't mean that.
Reyes > Rollins
There is no reason to sign both Reyes and Rollins.
If you sign Rollins, you probably cannot afford to sign Beltran as well.
Ergo, if you sign Rollins, it’s probably “the big move of the offseason” despite being inferior to both those other players.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Reyes and Beltran get us a pretty sweet offense. And no place to play Belt until Schierholtz gets hurt and/or Huff drinks his way out of the lineup.
but he won’t. Nate has paid his dues, been to winter ball, good soldier, etc etc etc.
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Hard to tell how serious they are about giving the RF job to Schierholtz, but definitely more of a chance than Belt.
Prediction: both players are not regular starters on or by May 15th
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d guess bench and bench. I’ll bookmark this and look it up in May
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
that is, if Belt isn’t traded
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Reyes + Beltran is what the Yankees would do if they missed the playoffs after winning the WS
I wish we would.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I wish we had a $220M payroll too,
but we’re sadly about $100M short.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
(Actually, I don't wish that at all.)
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Why?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Because I’m not a Yankees fan, and $220M is a colossal waste of money for something like baseball. That salary inflation is bad as it is bothers me enough.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
But it's not your money
And them spending more money would probably make them better. You don’t want them to be better?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
But it would also price the majority of the fans a la New Yankee Stadium
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What?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
price out a majority of the fans
The Golden Bear is ever watching
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
In what way?
The only seats that don’t get sold at Yankee stadium are the ones right behind home plate. A majority of fans don’t sit there anyway.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
The Mets are probably a better example
Yankees have a serious advantage because of the YES network.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
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You think the reason that people don't go to Mets games is because the tickets are too expensive?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Running theme today
I’d rather that money be invested in the community.
The Yankee philosophy of “buy the best available, win at any cost” is unattractive to me. I don’t want any part of that culture. The day the Giants become the Yankees is the day I start reconsidering my loyalties.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
How much of the rainy day fund do you estimate will be re-invested in the community?
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 11, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
It will trickle down.
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I hate it when that happens.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 11, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, you’re talking about money.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 11, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Never mind, then.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 11, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, well, OK
Then are you in favor of the Giants cutting payroll to 80 million and donating the 40 million in difference to charity or something?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Isn’t the Rainy Day Fund just something the owners will put in a piggy bank for the day the team starts losing and people stop coming to the stadium. You know, self-fullfilling prophecy and all that
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 11, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
They should just sell the World Series trophy at auction and be done with it so the offseason can start.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 11, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
They payroll is about at the limit of my comfort zone.
I was more comfortable with $100M.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Seems arbitrary and odd.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Not arbitrary
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_teams_by_payroll_in_2010
The Giants have been sitting around a third of the way down on the list for some time now. They’re at the front of the middle of the pack, but haven’t rocketed off into the cartoon land of the Yankees, Red Sox, Phillies, Mets, and Cubs.
I value temperance, and the $80-120M range seems to be the range of “average” payrolls.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
My lips don’t want to touch their liquor, anyway.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 11, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I wish we had $300 Million payroll…. I want to see the Giants playing the best players they can get…
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
by calgiants86 on Oct 11, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
To add those two, you'd need another 40ish per season
Which would make payroll 150-160, depending on arb players.
If you bump it to 220, we could add Pujols and Fielder too.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
2b!
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Huh?
We have Reyes in this world.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Reyes SS
Sandoval 2B
Pujols 3B
Fielder 1B
Posey C
Beltran LF
Belt RF
Sizemore CF
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
LOL Pablo 2B!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
It's less crazy than moving him to 3B in the first place was!
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
What? He played almost 100 games at 3rd in the minors.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Mayor of Smug.
He was in the majors fewer than 2 years later. It’s not like 5 years had passed.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Mayor of Smug.
He was exclusively a third baseman in 2005 and he spent some time there in 2006, but other than that he was exclusively a catcher and first baseman in the minor leagues. It wouldn’t be as weird as moving him to second base (which is as cray-z as the rest of that scenario), but he was no more a third baseman than Jorge Posada was a second baseman.
Oddly enough, he caught hardly at all in 2005 and not at all in 2006. I don’t get that.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
So what I take from this sub sub-thread
Is that Pablo played 2B in the minors except for when he didn’t.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Year Age Tm Lg Lev Aff G Pos
2004 17 Giants ARIZ Rk SFG 46 2
2005 18 S-K NORW A- SFG 75 *5/23
2006 19 Augusta SALL A SFG 117 *35
2007 20 SJ CALL A+ SFG 102 23
2008 21 2 Teams 2 Lgs A+-AA SFG 112 23
2008 21 SJ CALL A+ SFG 68 23
2008 21 Conn. EL AA SFG 44 2/3
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Well, that truncated table clears things up.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Mayor of Smug.
I see that he played 3B in the minors. What I don’t see is Pablo playing 2B in the minors.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
He didn’t which is why El Person is saying making him a 3B is less crazy than making him a 2B now.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Oct 11, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
He would have one hell of an arm for a 2B.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Oct 11, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he would set the record for the heaviest 2B in the history of baseball.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
No, it isn’t.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 11, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I enjoy the discussion that came out of the statement I made up.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
It is pretty awesome.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Is it possible to have a statement that wasn’t made up at some point?
My adopted Giant, the young Reinier Roibal
Some statements are backed by evidence.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Sometimes I feel like a nut
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
It's true
I’ve felt him.
"If it's weird, you know it's probably Wilson's." - Matt Cain
by EliminateMe on Oct 11, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You just made that up.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Dave Duncan would cry, but with our pitching staff, I’d enjoy that infield.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Oct 11, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes! This is what I want.
Sign ALL of the players!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
And look what happened. Skylab crashes, hostages in Iran, a Texas tornado outbreak, Hurricane Frederic, worldwide oil production begins a decline.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
That was one of three good things that happened that year. The other two were the Camp David Accords, and the premiere of Morning Edition.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
The Camp David Accords! Centuries of peace guaranteed.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
But I just bought bellbottoms and a lava lamp.
by non sequitur on Oct 11, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
The latter part of the 70s wasn’t too bad from a music standpoint.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
July 12, 1979
Disco Demolition Night
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
Pujols and Reyes!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 12:27 PM PDT reply actions
Pujols is reasonable
If you sign nobody else.
Crawford at SS is not horrible. Maybe a little Fontenot or Carrol mixed in there for 2 mil of insurance.
Pujols or BUST!
by Myemail21479 on Oct 11, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
If you sign nobody else.
For the next decade. Bye bye, pitching staff!
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
It's funny because the Tigers lost.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Me too.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I’m rooting for whoever wins that series.
The San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
I'M A GIRL
by Prussian Creole on Oct 11, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
With the Yankees, DBags, and Phillies out of it I am happy no matter who wins.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
by jhiat00 on Oct 11, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Not me
I’m sick of this “Best fans in baseball” thing and I don’t want Prince Fielder getting a ring.
The San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
I'M A GIRL
by Prussian Creole on Oct 11, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Can’t stand Milwaukee or St. Louis.
Pretty much
The San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
I'M A GIRL
by Prussian Creole on Oct 11, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Hi PC!
I advocate cancellation of the remainder of the postseason. Just give all 4 teams 4th place ribbons and be done with it.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Oct 11, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Hi!
I wouldn’t mind that for the NL but I feel like the city of Detroit deserves something good to happen to them for all the crap they’ve been through. I don’t think it’ll be the Lions (sadly) and I don’t want it to be the Red Wings (because fuck that). As for Texas, I’ll always have a special place for them in my heart because we beat them for our first title and there are some really amazing Rangers fans out there.
The San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
I'M A GIRL
by Prussian Creole on Oct 11, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
eh
The Red Wings are really good every year. I would be fine with Detroit winning, but that’s not why.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Would the Packers count for Milwaukee because the Brewers have never won a WS but I’m not sure if it’ll be that big of a deal with the Packers around
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 11, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s a long time ago and the franchise is considered to be the team in Atlanta (If I’m not mistaken.) My interest in rooting for the Brewers is only because they’re a franchise that’s never won it all and could be great for baseball there, especially since they’re probably going to be shredding payroll a bit after this
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 11, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, that’s true. I don’t have any problem with the Brewers winning except that it’ll be lame that they’ll have won the pennants of both leagues.
Fun fact: The Milwaukee Braves never had a losing season.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
just look at as the Braves winning one of them and the Seattle Pilots the other
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 11, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Milwaukee title
I don’t know if it’s more torturous for Bud if they win while he’s not the owner, or if they never win again. I root for torturing Bud.
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
Normally cannot stand the Packers
but Rodgers makes them tolerable
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
I am in minority maybe
I like Brew Crew and their energy, except that douche Nyjer Morgan. I loved it when Pujols mashed 4 xbh last night, considering Nyjer called him Alberta earlier this year.
by Myemail21479 on Oct 11, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I prefer them to the Cards
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
/flashes snake bite
Wait, they’re already out of it.
/flashes hernia sign
Hmm. They’re out of it too.
Its funny too b/c thats the headline used when the Rangers lost. Although it was probably a SF based paper.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Oct 11, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think we ever saw the real Fiorina, no.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I love the 2010 team….
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
by calgiants86 on Oct 11, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
flagged as misleading
You are not referring to the date on the masthead of that newspaper!
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Oct 11, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
o noes
Mail Bombs!
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Oct 11, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve never been to Philadelphia, but I’m pretty sure it’s filled with Cheez-Whiz fountains and seedy tourist traps filled with animatronic Founding Fathers.
You’re pretty close except you forgot the food trucks made out of Tasty-Cake that hand out free cheese steak sandwiches to anyone who boos orphans
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 11, 2011 12:28 PM PDT reply actions
Wait, seriously? Because I freaking love cheesesteaks, and I will boo whomever they ask me to if it means getting one.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
You would boo me??
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
What hurts the most is that he’s reading the comment from his little window there.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Look at that expression
It says, “Foresaken for a cheesesteak”.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
To show there are no hard feelings, I invite Wilson to join me in booing Brandon Inge.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Haha. Kidding. I was trying to get a reaction out of you.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
i was out running errands all day, came back to find a nearly-full new thread, so all I could do was search for your screen name and respond.
I rhyme with freak.
Yay! Your approval is pretty swell, too.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Good Lord
A foreskin cheesesteak sounds terrible.
Oh.
Nevermind.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 11, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Crispy!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Are foreskins and cheese together at the same time kosher?
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 11, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
McCann?
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
I agree with this sentiment. In fact, I think I’ll go hit up the local Cheesesteak Shop right now.
The San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
I'M A GIRL
by Prussian Creole on Oct 11, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
You should boo someone on the way.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, I just laugh at him now
The San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
I'M A GIRL
by Prussian Creole on Oct 11, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 12 recs
OMG this video just got better!!
I didn’t even know that was possible! You made my day :D
The San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
I'M A GIRL
by Prussian Creole on Oct 11, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Well I’ve got to drive through Piedmont to get there . . .
The San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
I'M A GIRL
by Prussian Creole on Oct 11, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s true. And not just any ole Cheese Steak but Jim’s Cheese Steaks. If they’re wearing anything involving a New York sports team, they’ll throw in a free hoagie too
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 11, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Now I want to go to HRD and get a Mongolian Beef Cheesesteak.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 11, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s a cheesesteak made with Mongolian Beef instead of the traditional cheesesteak meat.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
HAIL SATAN!
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 11, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s like ordering a teriyaki pastrami sandwich on rye at a deli
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 11, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
You’re rigidity in these matters is limiting your enjoyment.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 11, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Now I want Mongolian BBQ from Su’s Mongolian BBQ in San Jose… SO delicious.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
It’s a cheesesteak with Mongolian Beef in it. Menu.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 11, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Isn’t that right across the street from where the meetup was?
Yes! I DO have Nate's number tattoed on my ass. It's a long story.
http://www.leftymalo.com/2011/08/the_number_twelve.php
by jeremy.lassen on Oct 11, 2011 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Not sure about the chasm level here. But the Ben Franklin house actually does have an animatronic puppet show about the declaration of Independence.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Oct 11, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
And oh, the Franklin House is sandwiched between two cheese steak shops.
Also the most underrated Philly cuisine is the hoagie. <3 Hoagies.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Oct 11, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Cheese Steak Sandwiches:
World’s most overrated local cuisine. I said it.
Here's to the Dodgers and their bucket of suck.
CHICAGO STYLE PIZZA
There, I said it!
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
NOT ACTUAL PIZZA.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 11, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s a pizza-like casserole.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 11, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s like a cheese pie with a little bit of tomato and topping.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Sounds delicious.
Not really pizza, but only a pedantic twat would let the moniker keep them from a cheese and sausage casserole.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
Why only a little bit of tomato?
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 12, 2011 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions
can't argue with that
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Oct 11, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe overrated
But still pretty damn good. Unlike, say, Cincinnati chili.
Touche
Claiming the best chili is kinda like claiming to be the best microwaver of Hot Pockets.
Here's to the Dodgers and their bucket of suck.
Well that goes quite a bit too far
Chili can be good. But Cincinnati chili is a whole different misguided animal.
Cincinnati Chili is blasphemy.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
This post seems to make the assumption that
Sabey-Sabes wont find Yuni Betancourt’s 29 HR and 148 RBI over his last two season attractive. That’s great production from a SS.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
I was telling my dad last night that Yuni is destined to become a Giant. You just know he’s eventually going to be a Giant.
Welll…Jack Wilson is available.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
we made fun of him
but he played in the postseason and would have been better than Cabrera. Or Tejada.
None of which is a good reason to sign him for next year.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Oct 11, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
You would have been better than Cabrera or Tehaha.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
brb signing contract with Sabey-Sabes
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Oct 11, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually
Jack Wilson with the ATL: .482 OPS with an OPS + of 34
Cabrera: .510 OPS/OPS+ of 44.
Wilson didn’t play in the postseason…unless Atlanta made into the consolation bracket
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
oh yeah
I forgot the Braves didn’t make it. LOL CHOPGIRL
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Oct 11, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
also
not appearing in your numbers: clankmittery.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Oct 11, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
And Lolniesky already works from a McC nickname standpoint
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Shift-A: I don't mind Rollins wanting extra year
as long as the money remains the same..5 year/40-45 million
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
This is an easy one.
Jimmy Rollins → Oakland CA Native
Oakland CA → Black Panthers
Panthers → North Valley High School mascot
North Valley High School → Scott Cousins’ HIGH SCHOOL
OMG IT WAS ROLLINS! DON’T SIGN HIM!!!!
did Rollins go to Encinal or Alameda?
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
by Cody_ransom on Oct 11, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
the dude was a Jet
The Golden Bear is ever watching
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
GO WINNEPEG!!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
actually I believe those are sharks… i could most definitely be wrong, though.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Oct 11, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh yeah. I did a Google search on Jets and they gave me Sharks. Sounds like another excuse for a rumble
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 11, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Surgical/Medical-Surgical/Medical
A surgeon and a doc, abooooooove iiiiiiit aaaaaaaall!
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
JR Rider.
Saw him spread eagle over a dude’s head in a HS game vice carter style. It was ridiculous.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
by Cody_ransom on Oct 11, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
"Vince Carter" style.
although some might consider Vince a vice.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
by Cody_ransom on Oct 11, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL negotiation
If it’s shorter than that, there’d have to be a fifth-year option, my option.
Well, that’s a lot more attractive to a team than a 5 year deal.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Oct 11, 2011 12:44 PM PDT reply actions
Haha. I never thought of it that way.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Arb eligibles list on mlbtr
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/10/arbitration-eligibles-san-francisco-giants.html
13 players. I would:
Give arb / work out deals with:
Sandoval / Romo / Schierholtz / Torres / Casilla / Lincecum / Sanchez / RamRam / Fontenot / Vogelsong
Then I’d trade Sanchez for whatever I could get for him.
Would not offer arb to:
Whiteside / Burriss / Keppinger /
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I think you have to resign Sanchez because he’ll be a cheap no. 5…8 mil a year. You can then trade him mid-season if he becomes decent. Trading now would be selling low.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
It's only selling low if you don't think it's going lower.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
He basically blew up and was injured half the year…the chances of it getting better is a lot higher than the chances of it going down.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
For all the frustrations I have watching Sanchez (I was an original member of the trade Sanchez in mid-season bandwagon)…the guy is one year removed from being an above-average LHSP. All his peripherals in 2010 were solid.
There is no way to know whether he was affected by injuries even before being on the DL. If you trade him now, it would be the ultimate low considering him coming off of injuries and a bad year. Better to give him a half of a year to do well and then trade him.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
I would let RamRam go
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
The Red Sox have already had the Ramon Ramirez Experience
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Who replaces Sanchez?
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I wouldn't be uncomfortable with Surkamp
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Surkamp was pretty bad
In the majors he never remotely showed the control that he had displayed in the minors. Without control he’s Barry Zito with a far worse curveball.
Tiny sample.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
If we ignore the sample.
Then all we have is great numbers in AA; which is wonderful, but doesn’t necessitate a complete lack of discomfort in his MLB playing ability.
Tiny Bubbles!
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
True enough
But the guy’s supposed to be a control specialist, then he rolls in and can’t throw strikes in any of his starts. It’s worrying. Who knows, maybe he was tired or something. But it didn’t inspire confidence.
And was coming from a league that strongly favors pitching.
It’s not like he was putting up those numbers in the PCL.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
My starter list
Lincecum
Cain
MadBum
Vogey
Sanchez
Zito
Surkamp
Trade Sanchez if possible. Zeets should be considered 5th starter then, at least for another half year, can talk about Surkamp if injury or implosion.
by Myemail21479 on Oct 11, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
The Giants will definitely do their best to fit Zito into the rotation this spring.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
If the Giants were to DFA Zito this spring, and nobody picked him up, could they stash him in the minors?
Not sure how it would work…
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
He can refuse
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Zito is a nice guy
He really is!
He just pitches like refuse.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
The reason I ask is I don’t think the Giants will part with him because they don’t have much pitching depth. If Zito made his way to AAA, I’d think they’ll be far more comfortable continuing to pay him #1 starter money for #6 pitching depth in the minors. I’m really afraid, otherwise, that he’ll somehow end up starting regularly for the Giants somehow.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
I think they’re liable to keep him on the 25 but as a reliever who never gets used.
Sanchez must be signed and kept as the 5th starter
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Zito will be down in Fresno learning the knuckleball after getting shelled in cleanup relief the first month of the season.
I hate to stir up the rosterbators
but is there any conceivable SS that might be available through trade? For Wilson maybe? I dunno, I hope the FO is looking at all possibilities.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Maybe someone from the Red Sox?
Lowrie or Scutaro. Can’t really think of other, but I’m sure they exist. They’re not going to be super enticing though.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Padres just got themselves Bartlett
Odds of him being traded over slim to chance Phillies win WS this year.
by Myemail21479 on Oct 11, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Alexei Ramirez is my white whale.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
by Cody_ransom on Oct 11, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Someone for
Asdrubal Cabrera ( .273/.332/ .460 wOBA .345 wRC+118) and his magic glove.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Package!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
how did Asdrubal not have as good a year as I thought?
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
relative to how good I thought his year was, its not. I thought he hit .300/.375/.500
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, it would have been. I suppose all those webgems had me thinking he was a great hitter too
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
It is only now with season over that I can truly appreciated the Royals extending Jeff Francoeur.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Oct 11, 2011 12:49 PM PDT reply actions
I wish the playoffs were done so the offseason could start.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I’m not sure about that. This is probably the best part of the off-season because we could all dream about Beltran coming back or Reyes signing. Then, once the off-season starts and the Cubs, Yankees, and some random small market team being stupid sign all the big guys and we’re stuck with all the scrap-heap players, it won’t be as fun.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 11, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
CHUBBY CHASERS
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
FATTY FINDERS
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Oct 11, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
PORTLY PURSUERS
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 11, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
The Nats are probably cashed out but there’s always one small-time team looking to make a big impact with a really bad signing. The Royals are on the verge, so maybe them. The Indians feel they can compete and the Marlins have their gaudy new stadium they’d probably like to impress people with so they could all pull it too
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 11, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
This is correct
While we are all in Rosterbationland right now, it is pretty clear that the Giants will do nothing more than dumpster dive.
They will end up with some low OBP SS (I sill think they end up with Cabrera) and probably a CF.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think they end up with Cabrera, specifically because Sabean doesn’t double-dip on players who burn him. And when he can, he seems to go out of his way to erase their legacy (lolettingRajaiDavisgofornothing).
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 11, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
don’t say that. if they re-sign Orlando Cabrera to be everyday SS, I literally will not watch them play in 2012. I’ll find another team for the season.
That’s disgusting
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
You’ve teased me like this before.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 11, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
heh. I like to make empty threats towards management
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
BOO!
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 11, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Me too
Pull the band aid off, stop us from dreaming of the big fish, get Buster Posey back on the field hitting in front of Sandoval and let’s do this thing!
by Myemail21479 on Oct 11, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
And then there's this guy:
Brandon Crawford went 3-for-4 with a triple and two runs scored as the Scottsdale Scorpions picked up their third straight win with a 4-3 victory over the Mesa Solar Sox on Monday night at Scottsdale Stadium.
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
*sets up the Brandon Crawford camp*
Oh crap, a bunch of tumblr people just invaded with gifs of Stamos licking his lips.
LOL ALL OF YOU
RAINYDAYFUND RAINY. DAY. FUND. RAINYDAYFUND RAINY. DAY. FUND.RAINYDAYFUND RAINY. DAY. FUND.RAINYDAYFUND RAINY. DAY. FUND.RAINYDAYFUND RAINY. DAY. FUND.RAINYDAYFUND RAINY. DAY. FUND.RAINYDAYFUND RAINY. DAY. FUND.RAINYDAYFUND RAINY. DAY. FUND.RAINYDAYFUND RAINY. DAY. FUND.RAINYDAYFUND RAINY. DAY. FUND.RAINYDAYFUND RAINY. DAY. FUND.RAINYDAYFUND RAINY. DAY. FUND.RAINYDAYFUND RAINY. DAY. FUND.RAINYDAYFUND RAINY. DAY. FUND.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Mayor of Smug.
by rotorueter on Oct 11, 2011 12:57 PM PDT reply actions 7 recs
eveRYboDY rainY DAY
::RAIN::RAIN::RAIN::RAIN::RAIN::RAIN::RAIN:RAIN::
by Every6thDay on Oct 11, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
rec’d
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't want Rollins.
He’s gonna be too expensive for too many years. I want Reyes. Reyes won’t happen, so I want Furcal.
Adopted Giant: Mike Fontenot
He's like Grant, but fun size.
Occasionally, I tweet.
Reyes or bust
or both!
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
Flags Fly Forever
"Orlando before Zod" doesn't have the same nice ring to it.
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 11, 2011 12:58 PM PDT reply actions
Shift-A
That was the worst chop I have ever had. 1 hour….
My adopted Giant, the young Reinier Roibal
How Brian Sabean looks at the free-agent SS market
Jimmy Rollins
Orlando Cabrera
Jamey Carroll
Adam Kennedy
former shortstop turned into a zombie by black magic
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
Honus Wagner would be pretty sweet
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 11, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Would totally destroy the value of his baseball cards though.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
but imagine how much money a Zombie Honus Wagner card would get you?
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 11, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Sabean looks at Cabrera and sees something that he wants the fans to forget as soon as possible, even if that means starting Noonan at SS in 2012.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 11, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
fetching young crop
Is Vizquel still playing? Maybe we can nail that one down.
by Myemail21479 on Oct 11, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Ruben Amaro Jr. press conf.
“On Jimmy Rollins: "We’re not going to have any discussions with Jimmy publicly … There’s no question we want Jimmy back, want him to play shortstop for us, be in our uniform and play for the next several years. It’s just a matter of whether we can get to the finish line … Things will be kept private and we’ll try to figure it out."
On Jimmy Rollins’ ability compared to his MVP season: "It’s hard to argue that he still has the offensive ability to do the same kind of things, because he hasn’t done it the last couple of years. Part of it is because of injuries. He still is one of the premier defensive shortstops in the game … That is probably one of the most important elements that Jimmy brings, along with his personality, is his ability to be so steady. He is about as steady a shortstop as can be."
On Rollins’ desire for a 5-year deal: "As far as length is concerned, the commitment we’re going to put into it, internally, we’re still kicking it around as to how far we want to go with Jimmy to keep him here. He knows our priority absolutely is to keep him in our uniform."
Nuff said imo: Rollins won’t get anything better than Philly can afford.
There might be a chance that Edgar Renteria gets resigned
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
They should offer him another $1 million contract, just keep doing that every year, even after he retires.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Oct 11, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It wouldn’t be good for the team, but I would be entertained to see Omar come back and chase 3,000.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 11, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
/3000 lets Omar catch up just so that they’ll be next to one another
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Oct 11, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
For a full season, he’d only have to hit about .284.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 11, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I do realize that he wouldn’t hit that.
But think of the fun!
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 11, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
TWSS? If she lacked self confidenc
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Oct 11, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
They should sign Omar for two years and then sign Barry in 2013 and let them both break 3,000 in the same year.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 11, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
A part of me is quite serious about this.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 11, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't listen to him, Steve, I got a hit for you
Jimmy Ro was an MVP in Philly
You know the contract he’ll sign will be silly
Wants to get back to his Bay Area ties
When he’s 40, still be one of Bochy’s guys, singing
Go on, take the money and run
"If it's weird, you know it's probably Wilson's." - Matt Cain
IRANIAN DAY FUND
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
by TheLetter2 on Oct 11, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 19 recs
Attempted to take out Billy Beane but failed.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Denied the Bonds Era ever happened
Or that the Giants once played in NY
by Myemail21479 on Oct 11, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
To dinner? To the ballgame?
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 11, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
obviously to dinner…Billy Beane doesn’t watch baseball.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Maybe he was trying to take him to the ballgame and that is why it failed.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 11, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s the first Rainy Day Fund joke I’ve laughed at.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 11, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I have feelings, you know.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Mayor of Smug.
LIES!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I certainly do.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 11, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
/golf clap
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 11, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
Don’t ever change
The San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
I'M A GIRL
by Prussian Creole on Oct 11, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
lol wut
We just received a mediation conference statement from another party and it consists of 1) a short letter about the matter, 2) a copy of the the appeals brief, and 3) a full copy of the 700 page Senate report on the 2008 financial crisis.
The first six innings are overrated.
Oh, crap. I didn’t mean to include that short letter.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 11, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
4) a signed headshot of Tony Danza, for some reason.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Just reminding us who the boss is.
The first six innings are overrated.
Don't you watch Community?
Angela was the boss.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Oct 11, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
15 years too late
I got that from watching “Who’s the Boss”
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Sadly
that’s seem normal to me.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
I want to find a way to use the Magna Carta as an exhibit.
The first six innings are overrated.
If you could find a way to introduce the Voynich manuscript as evidence, that would be awesome.
"If it's weird, you know it's probably Wilson's." - Matt Cain
Yanks
Also rumored to want Carlos Beltran due to “unhappiness with Nick Swisher.” And WTF is another 50 mil to them, Yanks expecting Carlos to change that twitter account like now.
I'd sign Swisher in a heartbeat
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
by GiantPain on Oct 11, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd almost rather have him than Beltran
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I think I would rather have him than Beltran.
But that may be based on false suppositions about his cost.
Yanks have a $10 million option.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Point being you’ve got to sign him, and he’s worth more than Beltran. Giants would be breaking the bank to sign Beltran, Swisher will get more years, more $ likely.
I don’t think this is true.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
5 years younger to start with. Aside from Bor-ass trickery Beltran’s not worth it. The Yankees might grossly over pay him. But teams with reasonable limits can’t do that.
IMO, Beltran is going to get the 2nd most dollars this offseason among position players.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
What?
Pujols, Fielder, Reyes…? Who’s Beltran going to get more than?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Yeah, you're right
Beltran will be 4th.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm still lost why you think Yankees use the word "or"
Swisher AND Beltran sillies!
by Myemail21479 on Oct 11, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Bor-Ass Trickery
is capable, but Beltran isn’t more valuable than Swisher in a 5 year deal hypothetically.
Swisher is 31.
Beltran is 34.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Well, about to be 31.
Birthday in November.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Ah, the all important injury roundup calculation
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
That's 5, right?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
well a little over 3 rounds up to 5, and 5 rounds up to 10, and visually the difference between 10 and 100 is just a zero, and a zero is literally nothing.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Oct 11, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
/checks B-R entry for Nick Swisher
/sees “Agents: Joe Bick”
Yes, he will be cheaper than Beltran.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
IMO, Swisher gets about 9 million per year. Beltran is getting way more than that.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel like dregarx and I are on the same wavelength here.
I’d probably do 9/36 for Swisher in a heartbeat.
He might even accept fewer years to squeeze in one last FA deal before he gets creaky.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
LOL THAT DUDE
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he's going to cost more than $4M per
And a nine-year contract is crazy!
...4/36.
You know what I meant!
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Joe Bick?
That’s really just Swisher himself with sunglasses and a fake mustache, right?
"If it's weird, you know it's probably Wilson's." - Matt Cain
Problem here:
From Joel Sherman (NY Post):
Before last season, he left his long-time, low-key agent Joe Bick for the brash Dan Lozano, a move that indicated he was emphasizing going for a huge return in his next contract; in some quarters there was belief that he wanted to shoot for what Jayson Werth received (seven years, $126 million) from Washington.
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
It would be pretty ridiculous for Swisher to expect Werth money.
Everyone acknowledges that Werth’s contract is stupid, and he’s still a much better player than Swisher.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Yeah, but your assumptions about cost are probably wrong.
by Hyoton on Oct 11, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He probaly should have realized that in the first place.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 11, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
What the Yankees can do and what the Giants can do are entirely different things. At 125 mil they have very little room to go out and sign anybody.
This is unrelated to what dregarx was talking about.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 11, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
But the Yankees are in the AL and the Giants have orange in their colors.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Oct 11, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Based on the supposition that his deal would be more reasonable than Beltran’s, I agree.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I don't think you understand how baseball works.
Carlos Beltran’s agent is Scott Boras. Nick Swisher’s agent is not Scott Boras.
Carlos Beltran will make more money than Nick Swisher.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
But they’re both handsome. I’m torn.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Nick Swisher once grew his hair out for Locks of Love
Plus, he’s a Southern Gentleman™.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
He’s from Ohio by way of West Virginia. Yankee.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
West Virginia sure doesn’t feel yankee.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Mayor of Smug.
Hey…it seceded from the South just so it could be in the Union!
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I've done this as well
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by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
You don't think Boras will get 5 years for Beltran?
5 years for a 31-year old corner OF isn’t disastrous, either, especially if it means a lower AAV.
I’d rather have Swisher for 5 years than Beltran for three.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
No.
Maybe the Yanks give him 5/50 but that’s just what that greed monster can do, not even the Phillies are that dumb.
But the Giants aren’t in position to sign a guy for 5 years.
The money for Tim and Cain is already being held in place by Zito. They will just backload Cain’s deal and offer Timmy a FA contract to coincide with Zito leaving the team.
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Cain is next year with Zito on the books, it’s very dicey to bank on that. Cain may not be willing to.
I did say backload…just one year ala Cliff Lee
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?
Cain is already making $15.3 million this year…you can bump him up to like $16 million in 2013 and then give him $18-20 million for the remainder of the contract.
A Jered Weaver level deal is about right for Cain (5 year/17 million per)
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So you want to offer Cain 5/85 next year? For Weaver that was a home town discount. For Cain that’s a miracle. He can command way more than that.
Even if it’s a 5/100 million deal…the Giants would still have plenty of money from Zito’s salary to pay it
Zito is going to make $20 million
Take 5 of that and give it to Cain
Take 10 of that and give it Timmy
You still have 5 million left for a 5th starter.
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Fun Facts
Jered Weaver has been worth as many wins as Cain has, despite starting his major league career a year later than Cain.
Matt Cain’s best season by fWar is worse than Weaver’s two best seasons.
Matt Cain has signed a team-friendly, multi-year deal with the Giants before.
I don’t see what is so crazy about 5/85.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Jared Weaver doesn’t have the worst offense in the league behind him.
The Giants will now have to overpay their pitchers simply to make them think about staying, when in reality had they spent more and built a better offense, they might have been able to get the pitchers for less.
In the end, being cheap and stupid only will cost them more.
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
This is simply not true…you pay player for their value..not whether the rest of your team “sucks”
Additionally, the Giants had a horrible offense last year but a decent one and did win the WS a year ago.
Finally, AT&T park is a factor to the Giants’ benefit.
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Matt Cain ain't Aramos Ramirez.
He’s not gonna sign for the purity of the cash, no need for offense.
In the last three seasons, the Giants have averaged 89 wins and won a World Series.
In the last three seasons, the Angels have averaged 87 wins and won one playoff series.
The pitchers are well aware that the Giants are playoff contenders, and San Francisco is a good place to pitch.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I personally think that whole “no run support, losing records” thing gets to them a whole lot more than we think it does.
They are pure competitors
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
And they play for a team with one of the best winning percentages in the major leagues over the last three seasons.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
…since Giants can’t win with the bats, the team only wins because of them, therefore making their known value to the team even higher.
it’s called leverage
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Speaking of Fallacies
“I want to win, so I’m going to limit my team by demanding a larger percentage of my payroll.”
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
also
I would not want the Giants to overpay…I love Cain but if he demands more money than he deserves…bye.
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Well, that’s up to Cain. If he is demanding a huge overpay then the Giants have no choice but to let him walk.
Cain is already signed through his arb years.
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I’m not really sure what you are trying to establish here.
Rowand also comes off the books after next year, as do Sanchez and Rowand.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Er, Sanchez and Huff.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Assuming he could be had for less
something like 3/30-4/50 he’s a much better choice.
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For the record
I would agree with that, but Giants have indicated unwillingness to go more than 3, more likely 2 years.
With Linecum’s FA coming up in 2014. They really want to keep contracts to 2 years now, and they damn well should. Lincecum, even more than Cain imo, has to be protected.
I don't understand this logic
Because Tim becomes a FA in 2 years they can’t sign anyone for more than 2 years? Does that mean next year they can only sign 1 year deals, and in 2014 they can’t sign anyone?
Wouldn’t it be kind of nice to not have to re-sign an entire team in 2014?
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Oct 11, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
The ownership
Larry Baer and Sabean have said that long term deals won’t get done right now. I for 1 support that. Do the math otherwise, Zito comes off in 14, Lincecum takes that place in terms of $.
Cain is up, gotta get er done. Hopefully before they think about signing Mr. Wilson for all his excellent marketing ops. I mean black ops. They sign Wilson to sell fake beards and lose out on Cain, Timmy, MadBum, Sando or Posey it won’t be pretty.
Many teams have let go of marketable players in the past. I don’t think the Giants are going to be the one franchise that doesn’t get where the team value truly lies. If they DO extend Wilson’s contract, it’s going to be due to on-field performance, not fake beard sales.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
I would hope not. But I do think the Giants are very marketing driven. Wilson turned in an incredible postseason last year, which was amazing. He is most likely hurt more than he’s letting on, and signing closers to long term deals rarely works out well. If he isn’t hurt, and continues to learn how to pitch rather than throw, maintains his velocity than yes, he’s worth signing. Throwing a Rob Nen contract at him and not locking up those five players before doing it would be a huge mistake. They lock them up then OK.
That has nothing to do with signing Swisher or Beltran
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by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah
They will get the Cain and Lincecum deals done regardless.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
At least $5 million a year.
Timmy: $20-25 million
Cain: $18-20 million.
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By your own estimate that limits what they can offer now. 5 mil ain’t much.
This was my twitter exchange with Tolbert after the Weaver deal.
Me: Cain would probably do 7 years at 17-18 mil, but Lincecum will probably hold out for 19-20 mil and 7, maybe 5.
Tolbert: Kinda in the ballpark i was thinking….5-7 yrs 200-250 mill for both…
You know you were talking to Tolbert right…Tom Tolbert….former basketball player who usually stays silent during baseball interviews.
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Not in my ego limits to say I know more than what Tolbert knows about the business of pro sports.
And for the record, the interview he did with Sabean by himself before the famous “Cousins blowup” was the best interview I ever heard with Sabean. Tolbert got Sabean to admit that Zito’s role had been relegated and that he wouldn’t get the job back from Voglesong as long as he could keep it, going forward even into next year.
Dude is a basketball player
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by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Because it is stupid, that's what
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by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
And Marty Lurie knows dick about baseball
the ego’s in this place man, just like you’ve actually been known for something in the world of sports.
Marty Lurie actually talks to people in the Giants organization.
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which makes Tolbert’s knowledge even more lacking.
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No
more knowledgeable…opinions can still be crazy but at least he would have more basis to derive those opinions.
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get your egos off my eggos!
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by natteringnabob on Oct 11, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
A lot of people on here know more about baseball than Tom Tolbert. And that’s not intended as a slight to Tolbert at all.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
exactly
Tolbert knows his limitation…basketball. If you listen to his non-basketball interviews, the questions are softballs or jokes.
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This
is about $ in pro sports. If you can’t understand the difference between that and the game than there’s no point in going on here.
Tom Tolbert never made anywhere near the amount of money we are talking about here. Ramon Ramirez probably makes more money than Tolbert ever did.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
It’s all more $ than I’ve made off a pro sports contract. You want to tell me your pro sports contract, I’ll listen.
Solidarity is actually Stan Javier.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
For some reason
I always imagine Stan Javier with one of those split Giants/A’s hats…I remember both as a Giants and an A’s
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Just because you’ve had a colonoscopy doesn’t make you a proctologist. Studying medicine will get you a lot closer.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I definitely did not see this post coming.
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That’s how they get it in there.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 11, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought it was with novocaine and a lot of lube.
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And a little sweet talk.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
A glass of wine with dinner wouldn’t be inappropriate.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 11, 2011 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Marty Lurie is great when he’s talking about baseball in general but not so much when it comes to evaluating the players.
I’m just talking about pitchers…Zito’s salary ensures that Tim and Cain gets signed.
I doubt the Giants will do 7 year because very few teams do 7 years…
Also, you understand that if Timmy signs for $20 million and Cain at $18 million, this would mean an extra $11 million or so post-Zito. My $5 million estimate is the highest case scenario (Timmy at $25 million and Cain at $20 million).
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Me too
And BR says he can play 1B too. That is a need the Giants have, collecting First Basemen.
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NYY: Nick…we want to talk you
NS: Hey…I know the whole playoffs thing was a bummer but I thought I had a pretty good year and excited to see if we can do better next year.
NYY: Yeah…about that Nick. You know, we’ve been thinking that we may need some space in this relationship. We dealing with all this Jeter and ARod drama and now CC is thinking of leaving. We just need a little time.
NS: Really? I thought we were doing okay. You seemed happy and everything…
NYY: We’re sorry Nick. It’s not you, it’s us.
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I hope this is true
I think Beltran and Swisher will get about the same contract, but I’d prefer Swisher. 3/$36M for Swisher would be awesome. And he’s young enough that a fourth year would probably be OK.
White Sox manager should be A. J. Pierzynski
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Pierzynski should be a player/trainer
He can knee himself in the groin.
"If it's weird, you know it's probably Wilson's." - Matt Cain
Great publicity.
Should’ve pulled the trigger.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
He'd just put himself in as a pinch-hitter occasionally
Or if he spotted an attractive lass by the visitors’ dugout he might play first base for a couple innings.
Panda
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 11, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
He has as much coaching experience
As the guy they hired!
Road Stats for three possible short stops
Player A .297/ .353 / .448
Player B .213/ .279 / .320
Player C .327 / .370 / .452
Guess who is who
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B is not crawford
However i had Crawford there first. It is another short stop in the playoffs.
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Furcal, then
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
He had a terrrible year in general though, until he went to STL
And I don’t know why you’re bothering with single-season H/R splits.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Also…Furcal just injured himself.
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No he didn't
He’s playing very well in the NLCS.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I didn’t mean that literally.
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Not intended to be a factual statement.
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
He has been playing great in the postseason. B12 shots? Like Rento and the fountain of youth out there.
We don't make those here!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Where is the SB numbers
Those don’t show up on slash charts, but are a big boost to the one guy who still steals.
by Myemail21479 on Oct 11, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Those are included in wOBA and wRC+
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
NO!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is where my grandfather would roll his eyes and say, “Women drivers.”
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Certainly not into power hubs.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 11, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
AT THE SAME TIME?
The first six innings are overrated.
It was only one car. They were trying to drive it together, though.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 11, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I mean, according to the sentence.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Oct 11, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
What are these power hubs like, physically?
And how did you find this out? There was a blackout in my neighborhood last week. I was going to search around the Web to see if there was information about what caused it and when I could expect power back — but, oops, I couldn’t do that, could I.
by non sequitur on Oct 11, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice to know Zito doesn't have one of the worst contracts in baseball anymore.
He's on there.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
He’s #5! He’s #5 !!!
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TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Only 3 years left
He will be an afterthought in a year or two on lists like this.
Especially if say Tulo gets hurt or Dunn continues to flail.
by Myemail21479 on Oct 11, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Lackey's is worse
because of the Red Sox’s lack of alternatives.
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Joe, you'r killin' me.
If A-Rod could even remain the player he was in 2011 — assuming he could stay healthy long enough to play more than 99 games — then the Yankees would be OK. Sure, a third baseman hitting .276/.362/.461 isn’t worth $30 million a year or anything close. But he’s a good player. He’s about as good as any other third baseman, save a Longoria here, a Beltre there. But he won’t stay at that level, certainly not for another six years, maybe not even for another two years. And the Yankees will be stuck.
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I don't see what's wrong with that reasoning.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Well, while we’re at it, Zimmerman. I wasn’t reading it as a hard and fast list.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
And yes,
that’s the group. Longoria, Zimmerman, Pablo, Beltre in no particular order. THey are all very attractive for different reasons.
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God I love Ryan Zimmerman.
If we didn’t have Pablo, Zim would be my white whale.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I’d do it for Soriano. His deal is up end of 2013 too right?
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
get the Cubs to eat the difference before Theo gets there!
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
my new favorite thing ever
Carl Crawford has always been a thrilling player. He hits triples. He steals bases. But we are talking about a left-fielder with a lifetime .333 on-base percentage and a lifetime .441 slugging percentage. I remember when I was going out to buy my first car, they showed me all the extras you could get on a Ford Escort. Sunroof. Leather seats. Automatic locks and windows*. And even then it struck me: No matter how you dress up this car, it’s still a Ford Escort. I don’t think Crawford is a Ford Escort. But his lifetime on-base and slugging percentage match up frighteningly close to Aaron Rowand and Eric Hinske. So you could argue he’s Aaron Rowand with a sunroof.
The first six innings are overrated.
This would scare the crap out of me if I were a Sawx fan.
by S. Pickford #25 on Oct 11, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Crawford’s batting stance is the only thing that has saved him from this horrible destiny so far
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Eek.
keithlaw keithlaw
Tough inning for Giants prospects – Brown and Panik both mishandled balls, Brown’s led to an inside the park HR for Aaron Hicks.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
DFA both of them!
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Neither is on the 40 man roster.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Doesn't matter!
DFA them!
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You can't DFA a player who isn't on the 40 man roster.
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Okay…you are taking this way too seriously.
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GASP!
That’s so unlike him!
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
E8 or Oxymoron?
Or just the moron. “Mishandled led to an Inside the park HR” Guy’s been making awesome catches all over CF and the first time he mishandles a ball it’s news for Law.
I know that rosterbation is fun, but...
We’re Giants fans. We all know Sabean is not going to make some shrewd moves or even get good players that we want.
I’d love it if I could believe there would actually be a Reyes or Rollins or Beltran or even a Swisher coming our way, but instead he’s just going to fuck us over with shitty dumpster dives that no one else wants. It’s hard to wish for things that will never come true.
:sigh: I just wish it was March already.
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want about Crispix Crisp?
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I thought that was
Captain Crunch?
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Delicious, delicious fiberglass.
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Once it toughens up a bit there’s very little bleeding.
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That why you wait for the milk to do its job in softening up the cereal.
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warning
once you let Captain Crunch sit in the milk for a while it will be indistinguishable from dog food. Whatever that stuff is made out of, it pretty much turns back into it in seconds.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 11, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Isn’t it made out of corn and pure sugar?
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Have you ever seen a bowl of that stuff after 30 minutes or so? Sweet spackle.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 11, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Gross, gross, gross. (repeat eighteen times)
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Cereal is only good crunchy.
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 11, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed.
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It’s basically a race against time once you pour the milk in there.
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I’d rather refill the bowl 10 times than fill it up 5 times and have half of it get soggy.
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I think raisin bran is pretty great once it gets a little soggy
by S. Pickford #25 on Oct 11, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I always give it at least a few minutes to soften up.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 11, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Chex and all the wheat pocket type thingies are also good soggy. If you have a cereal that’s high in sugar, it’s worth it to have the cereal soggy because the sugar and whatever coloring the cereal is made up of becomes part of the milk and that’s yummy.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 11, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but it’s a pointless exercise anyway, isn’t it?
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
/optimism died with Rainy Day Fund
Which is another reason I have no faith that Sabean will fix anything this offseason. Dude put together the worst offense in the league 5 of last 6 years, 2011’s being the worst in 20 years in the NL. What makes anyone think he is even capable of building one for 2012?
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Buster Posey, Brandon Belt, Pablo Sandoval, for a start.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
You’d be banking on a whole lot from Posey. even Pablo couldn’t save 2011. and you’re really putting Belt on that list? They wouldn’t even play him over the worst 1B in all of baseball last year, and blew an opportunity to get him ready for 2012 by getting him issues fixed with steady playing time
If I had any confidence that they’d even do the right thing with Belt, that would help. But I don’t, and I don’t think you do, either.
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Posey by himself is worth 3 wins over what we got from Stewart and Whiteside this eyar.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Also…you had mind boggling awful years from Huff and Torres at the plate.
Belt year 2 should be much better
Mole will also be back.
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It would be hard for the Giants to do any worse than they did in 2011 at C, 1B, SS, and CF, and a corner outfield spot. Part of the reason the team was historically bad was because it was also historically unlucky.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
is it luck
when the same thing happens 5 out of 6 years? Because that’s the kind of offense that’s been fielded.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 11, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I really think its unfair to lump 2005-2008 years with 2009-2011.
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sure you do
microsplits are fun!
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by natteringnabob on Oct 11, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait…three years are microsplits?
2005-2008 was the result of staying with Bonds for too long and the previous philosophy of scorch earthing the farm system.
Those three years the Giants found core nucleus of the 2010 WS championship team. Lincecum, MadBum, Sanchez, Wilson, Romo, Buster, Panda
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Unless you’re arguing that Sabean was sandbagging to improve draft position, I don’t see the argument here. He tried to field a competitive team and consistently assembled one of the worst offenses in baseball. Even if he wasn’t getting much help from the farm, he did benefit from a well above average payroll over that timespan.
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No
he wasn’t sandbagging but he did find a lot of talent in the draft.
Let’s not forget that 2005-2008 years included the last years of Barry’s contract, $22/19/15 million and the beginning of the Zito years.
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Guess what, all teams have bad contracts, and teams with substantially lower payrolls than the Giants have managed to field a competent offense.
Also, Bonds was still a rather good hitter in 2006/7. Not $25M good, but good enough that pointing at him as an excuse for the crappy offense is nonsense.
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Prior to 2010 it was the hitting coaches fault.
Yeah, I didn’t think so either, but I read it on the internet, so there you go.
OR… one could argue that prior to 2010 Sabes was building the baddest ass pitching staff in the world, and wasn’t drafting/developing hitters, thus the poor pre-2010 offensive showing.
I also read this on the internet.
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by jeremy.lassen on Oct 11, 2011 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
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No, it didn’t. It just proved Sabean is incompetent to believe that lineup would actually be good.
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually it was more of a roster hangover in the post-Bonds era…it takes time to build up a farm system.
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You’re right, it does take time to build a farm system. I didn’t know the Giants were a 2005 expansion team.
Wait, what? oh, right. He gave away 1st round draft picks.
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
because the philosophy was to build around Bonds with FAs…Magowan’s philosophy.
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And the team was very good during that 8-year stretch, given that it produced 6 90-win teams.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I think its fair to say a good GM can do both. Maybe limited by the budgets, but 20 years between Royce Clayton and all you get is Bill Mueller and Pedro Feliz is pretty weak sauce.
That’s a fair point. If you want you can call it the roaring ‘20s before the big recession. But let’s remember that early in that decade we almost lost the team altogether. I can understand why the powers that be were doing anything and everything possible to win with Bonds.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
This
The Giants had a great run between 1997 and 2004…averaged 92.5 wins, three division pennants, four post-season appearance, and what should have been a WS.
2005-2008 was the rebuilding years for trying to stay on top…
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Sabean literally punted 1st round picks to save $1MM on their signing bonuses.
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Because there was a system/team philosophy that the farm system was not important…signing FAs were the priority.
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so you agree that he is an idiot?
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
No
it’s about team philosophies…the Yankees have not developed a pitcher for years because they believed that they can just go out and sign FA pitchers.
The Giants’ philosophy during the Bonds year was to get as many FA veteran players to surround Bonds and to win now. Farm system was an after thought/non-thought for many years.
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Not "willingly"
it’s a matter of priorities.
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Just a few years ago they had two of the top pitching prospects in the game in Joba and Phil Hughes. They also developed Ian Kennedy. I’m sure there are more but I don’t really follow the Yankees.
WWRWD?
The only reason why Job and Hughes are top level prospects is because they pitch for the Yankees.
A lot of teams develop/draft players that later become good for other teams.
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..the Yankees have not developed a pitcher..
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I see nothing about “top level prospects”. The Yankees do develop pitchers. ’Nuff said.
fair enough
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but
Just a few years ago they had two of the top pitching prospects in the game in Joba and Phil Hughes.
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They also haven’t helped themselves do so by signing type-A free agents all the time.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
One could argue that adopting the ‘sign type-A free agents’ strategy is tantamount to deciding not to develop pitchers.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 11, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
The counterargument is that there are simply too many slots in the roster not to develop pitchers.
You can’t sign free agents for the entire roster, and the Yankees are using those two starters and that fatty reliever even right now.
Don’t remember their names.
Sabean didn’t have a choice in the signing of 1st round picks- Magowan dictated it in an early version of the Rainy Day Fund
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 11, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
also, it takes more than 4 years to rebuild a completely neglected farm system.
you can’t just literally throw away every pick in every draft to sign old Type B FAs
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
It certain does
but Sabean/Giants did a great job of finding talent quickly.
the issue with the farm system now is depth…that takes a few more year.
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this is the most critical time when we could have used that depth had the farm never been neglected in the first place, however.
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
You know the Giants won the World Series a year ago right?
I want the Giants to win one this year as well but I find it very hard to fault Sabean for the team not getting to the playoffs this year.
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Needs to stop signing players made of porcelain.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Buster Posey completely made out of sugar glass.
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so no Beltran
no Reyes
no Rollins
who is NOT made of porcelain?
Aaron rowan?
Barry Zito?
Huff?
This is not necessarily the metric you want to use.
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by jeremy.lassen on Oct 11, 2011 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
we don’t know that Posey will be worth 3 wins over Whiteside/Stewart in 2012. You’re only looking at that from a “best case” scenario.
yes, the years Torres and Huff had were really bad. well, they’ve already declared Huff a starting player. don’t think a player can put up two horrible years in a row? good luck with that.
what exactly makes you think Belt will be so much better in 2012?
Basically what I’m saying is you’re looking at best-case scenarios for Huff, Belt and Posey… without even factoring in the Freddy Sanchez best-case scenario
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Well considering Buster was worth 3.2 WAR in 443 PAs in 2010, it is not stretch to think that he can replicate that with an additional 1/3 of a season.
You understand that Huff was the worst starting hitter in the NL this year…you cannot go lower than that.
Because Belt has talent and has done well in the minor for it to be reasonable to believe that he will do better.
I am not even looking at the best case scenario. I am looking at Buster being a 3-4 WAR player, Huff being a 1.5-2 WAR player, Belt being a 1.5-2 WAR player and Freddy to be a 2 WAR player. That is about 6-8 wins already.
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That’s a fallacy. Don’t bank on the offense to get better just because ‘it can’t get any worse’.
I’d just like to see some solid backup plans for 2012, that’s all. I do believe in Belt, but I’m not sure the team does. I want to believe Posey will be a 3 win player at the least, but that’s contingent on alot of factors. I want to believe Freddy will be worth 2 wins, but will he return healthy? I want to believe Huff can’t get worse, but can he?
I think the team should have tremendous depth in place for 2012 in case many options don’t work out. We need starting-quality backups.
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Regression isn't a fallacy.
This is the only response I can give here and I don’t know if there’s anything more I can add to the sentiment.
when severe injuries are huge factors, regression to the mean doesn’t apply in quite the same way it normally would.
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think that's true. Posey and Sanchez produced 0 WAR when injured.
If they produce positive production in their play this year, they have improved.
In short, regression to the mean has worked exactly as one would expect.
I just mean that when you factor in severe injuries, its hard to say “this player will be just as good as when he was when he went down”.
especially players who your entire offense rely so heavily on
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
That's not what regression means.
It means they will be better than before. Not “as good as when he went down”. Better than he was while he was down.
regression means to the norm.
so saying “better than before” isn’t really all that kosher
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
is their average mean 0 WAR per season?
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah, there's the misconception.
The “norm” is the ‘true talent’ level of those players, which might not be the same as their previous WAR average. Could be less, could be more. But since Posey and Sanchez produced at 0 WAR/game for the last few months, they’re probably going to go up.
Unless you think their true talent level is negative.
but what I’m saying is that their previous WAR average is not 0. They didn’t average 0 WAR per year for every year of their careers.
I see what you’re saying, definetely. I just believe that when you factor in severe injuries, you’re adding that unknown factor to potential regression to the mean.
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
if you account for the potential for severe injuries
you cannot sign any player.
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We were talking about Posey and Franchez, two players that are already signed
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
There's only 25 spots on the roster, and you're already paying most of them.
Posey being a 3+ win player is contingent solely on him being on the field. If Sanchez doesn’t return healthy, that’s what Gillaspie and Fontenot are for. If Huff gets worse, there are two first baseman who outperformed him this year already on the roster.
If you fill CF and SS adequately, the Giants have plenty of depth.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
also
the Giants are not the Yankees
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I hope you’re right.
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, I’m looking at “not-worse case” scenarios.
You’re making some pretty broad and unsupported assumptions here.
Huff was worth -0.6 WAR in 600 PAs, while Belt was worth 0.7 WAR in 200 PAs. Stewart/Whiteside combined for 1 WAR in 400 PAs, while Posey was worth 1.6 WAR in less than half that many PAs.
For there not to be a marked improvement is more or less contingent on complete collapse.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
He needs to be a 4-win player for the Giants next year if they're going to compete better than they did this year,
assuming no other major offseason acquisitions and minimal to zero improvement (or regression, if you think some of these dead bodies the Giants have under contract just had a bad season) from the returning players who were catastrophically awful this season.
Actually
I’d be completely fine with a winter full of dumpster dives. The Giants hve a much better succes rate with dumpster dives than “name” free agents.
Torres
Uribe
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Mota (to a lesser extent)
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Was Grissom a MiLB deal?
That was what I was specifically referring to as dumpster dives.
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The Giants hve a much better succes rate with dumpster dives than "name" free agents.
Only successful dumpster dives are memorable.
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But what happens with an unsuccesful dumpster dive?
NOTHING!
They go to Fresno or get cut in ST!
It’s awesome. No 150 million dollar contracts to wait out!
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by natteringnabob on Oct 11, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd much prefer
to sign 4 MiLB FA than Reyes specifically, maybe even Beltran.
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I should add...
The statement above was meant to say that I would rather see their resources (time and money) spent evaluating very closely 4 MiLB FA they think have a shot at being big league contributors than negotiating a Reyes deal.
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There isn’t some really low fixed cap on scouting that they can ONLY look at Reyes if they want to sign Reyes.
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You’re talking as if the Giants don’t spend any time scouting outside of major players. The Giants can go after Reyes and still have their eye on little-known players.
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Sure.
I guess my bottom line is…
Carlos Beltran for 4/64, DNW
Jose Reyes for 6/125 DNW
and this is an alternative strategy.
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There’s a very real chance that your strategy would lead to nothing but more Crawford and Schierholtz.
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Then you have the option of gettign rid of them
and not paying them.
And you still have the resources you would have commited to commit to a trade acquisition or a better crop of FA potentially.
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There is only so much time to make a free agent signing. You can’t just keep throwing anyone and everyone in there in hopes of finding that needle in the haystack, especially when there are better players available. I have nothing against trying to find the best available players, wherever they may be, but, invariably, it’s not a winning formula to rely on the dregs of others in hopes of finding that strand of saffron.
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The Giants do have the young position players and pitchers in place to adopt such a strategy.
I’m not sure Beltran and Reyes are the best choices here. Rollins? Maybe, but not for 5 years.
If Beltran gets a short deal, that’s appealing. If Swisher’s available, that’s appetizing. If a good shortstop is available via trade, that looks good.
Other than that, dumpster-diving looks like the best of alternatives.
I’m going to have to respectfully disagree.
It’s asking for trouble to intentionally neglect to improve positions with the hope that an unproven player will pan out.
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So the alternative is...
risking the abillity to retain something from the good pile: Lincecum, Cain, Pablo, Posey, Madbum, so we can spend 150 million for a guy who very likely might only play an average of 100 games a season over the 7 years you pay him.
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That's cool.
I’d probably throw some money at Jamey Carroll or something. Have Fontenot around for insurance. Start Andres Torres.
Then dumpster-dive. That’s the thing: the dumpster-dives aren’t the expected starters. If they perform well, then they play. If they don’t, well, we have signed other players with the intention of starting over them.
I don’t mind Carroll at all. I thought you wanted to dumpster dive to find a SS, and that’s not something I could get behind. There’s nothing wrong with using a few minor leaguers for the 24th and 25th spots.
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Understood.
We’ll see what happens.
I’m in the camp of:
Reyes, disappointed.
Rollins, skeptical but happy if his deal is 3-4 years.
Beltran, better be 3 years but if they pull it off wow, well done.
Swisher, well, that’s not gonna happen, but if so, !!!! :D
Pujols/Fielder HAHAHAHAHAHA
I feel like there’s an OK chance I’ll actually be somewhat pleased with the Giants FO when this offseason’s all said and done, which doesn’t happen to me a lot.
I’ve acquired optimism somewhere in the last two years.
See: Uribe, Juan and Torres, Andres.
Renteria and Rowand scuffled/got injured, and they locked down those spots.
The system works!
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
They were contingency plans. The Giants didn’t go into the season expecting to start “found money” every day.
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I was agreeing with you...?
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Even IF they did spend their time evaluating 4 MiLB FAs, would you trust them to pick the best 4?
Remember, you’re talking about a team that couldn’t produce a top position prospect for 20 years. 20 YEARS!!
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you are underestimating
the value of a starter who can contribute 2-3 WAR for < 1MM
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I think you are overestimating the ease with which even the best GM can find such players.
And we know that Sabean isn’t the best GM.
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I’ll say it again! 20 years without a top position prospect!
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Have you ever looked at the Giants’ win-loss record before Sabean and after?
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Have you ever looked at Orlando Cabrera? I mean, really looked at him?
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Come on
He found Huff, PtB, and Vogelson as well.
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Huff wasn’t the primary option that year, and Burrell and Vogelsong were both zero-risk investments, with both players wanting very badly to come to SF.
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Okay…but he still signed them.
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So, you don’t care if everything gets swept under the rug or thrown into the cupboards haphazardly, as long as the place looks clean, that’s all that matters?
No
I never said Sabean was the best GM…he’s just not the worst.. I would say that he’s above average.
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If I’m reading you correctly, you would say that Sabean is an above average GM because he got lucky with some player signings.
No…I also include him building a farm system in the last 5-7 years to produce a stud C, a stud 3B, a two-time Cy Young Winner, a pitcher who would be a number on at least half the teams in this league, a 21-year stud LHP,
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Most of his "legacy" is Jeter & Bonds-assisted...
and while he has had some successful trades, post-Bonds he hasn’t been able to field a league average offense most of the time. It is reasonable to credit him for having a great scouting & development staff, given their recent run of success (the prospects you mention), but again, that’s focusing on results over process and, for what I’ve seen from his organization, publicly, the process is right proper fucked.
Huff was his 3rd choice behind Adam LaRoche and I forget who else.
Meulens found Vogelsong, not Sabean. Sabean didn’t want PtB but Huff talked him into giving him a shot (from what I read)
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
two words: Barry Bonds.
without Bonds, Sabeans teams probably aren’t winners.
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Right cuz the 1994 and 1995 Giants were smashing sucesses
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so even with the greatest hitter of all time, Sabean built a bad team half the time.
that didn’t help your case.
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
?
Sabean didn’t come on board until 1997…
The Giants with Barry Bonds between 1994-1996 had 55, 67, and 68 wins.
The Giants’ worst year under Sabean had 71 wins.
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don’t forget he inheirated the Giants with Bonds but also with a farm system which he destroyed to help the ML team.
Jeff Kent turning out to be a great player saved his ass. He really, really fucked up with the Williams trade.
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
So in your sig you make fun of BABIP, and then claim luck in the Williams/Kent trade?
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
luck has its place in baseball. my sig is sarcasm
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
/sees cake
/waits for eating of aforesaid cake
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
What?
I love Matt Williams but there is no way Sabean did not win the Williams trade…absolutely no way.
What farm system? What players from the Bob Quinn era made a solid contribution to the Giants? Actually, Sabean was quite good at turning hyped farm system players into actual MLB level players through trades.
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You mean by trading for a couple of guys who became the cornerstone of some really good Giants’ teams? I’m not quite sure I’m following you here.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 11, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
at the time of the trade, those cornerstones were not projected to be cornerstones.
he got lucky they turned out to be as good as they were, imo
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
See this is what gets me
If Sabean finds/signs good players, it’s luck
If Sabean signs bad players, it’s an indictment of his completely lack of skills as a GM.
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look at the process
considering the bonehead process in which he believes players like Miguel Tejada and Orlando Cabrera are everyday players, I find that is the case, yes.
he doesn’t go about anything in a smart way, so most everything he does right is luck
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
He also got Beltran and Keppinger. Cabrera was a huge mistake but at the time, they thought he’d be better than Tejada and Crawford. The main problem with Cabrera was that after showing everyone that he sucked, somebody kept on playing him.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 11, 2011 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
This
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He’s actually got a fairly consistent methodology. Find players who have lost almost all their value, sign them, see who works out.
It’s not a sound strategy, by any stretch. But he’s been fairly consistent with it over the years. The best and the worst of his signings (big names excluded) fit right in this mold.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
So when it works out it’s luck and when it doesn’t it’s suck?
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 11, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Sabean really lucked out with Kent… and Snow… and Schmidt… and Burks…
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Winn
(trade Winn not FA Winn)
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I really enjoyed those teams. Its the Lunatic Fringe fill in years that got to be frustrating. Alfonso, Winn, Roberts. We are doing OK now, but in hindsight it would have been great to blow it up completely, not sign the bozo twins for PR purposes, and retool quicker.
Sabean has his strengths and weaknesses. I think he’s actually pretty good at drafting once he pays attention. But keep him away from those damn middle market FAs
Maybe Sabean saw something in Kent at the time (which he did) and maybe he went for him because of that.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 11, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Unpossible!
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The most infamous line from that year
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Pssst. That's why you sign Barry Bonds.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Exactly.
25 2-3 win players is necessarily bottlenecked by the fact that you only have so many at-bats to go around. It’s more important to have 8-10 4-5 win players, and to fill in the space beneath with the 2-3 win “average” guys.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
This year's Rangers have 10 playes worth 3.6 fWAR or more.
There’s a big dropoff from there, but when the starters are that good it necessarily limits the contributions off te bench.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I'm not suggesting the Giants abandon big FA signings.
They just have a horrible track record with them.
If they could find 1, 2-3 WAR player every year that would create a ton of option value.
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Speaking of dumpster:
the dumpster near my apartment has been invaded by raccoons…they are freaking scary late at night…crazy eyes.
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Burrell was luck.
Ross was luck.
Huff having a good year in 2010 was luck.
In reality, Sabean just got lucky, that’s all. I don’t like breaking camp hoping the idiot GM was lucky in the offseason.
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
When I said "dumpster dives"
I meant minor league contracts. Burrell wasn’t that. But I would say that if Sabean is indeed only lucky with these signings, it is with a curious degree of consistency.
I think Voglesong was more than luck. Same for torres.Uribe might have been luck.
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That’s the way these contracts work anyway.
You sign them cheap on the off chance they rebound. That’s why it’s a minor-league (or waiver pick-up) contract. Low-risk, high reward. Some will hit, some will not.
Bull Hall was a miss, for instance. So were Dontrelle Willis and Byun Hyung-Kim. But the Giants did a good job assembling productive players out of camp and at the trade deadline, no matter how you slice it. It just looks lucky because we forget about these players and stick with the ones where we find success. Which we have done plenty of.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
So we are talking about 100% upside.
Sounds pretty sweet to me. They should evaluate 4-5 guys every year—maybe they do.
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The main problem is the upside is somewhat marginal relative to a good FA signing or top prospect. It’s great padding, but it will only get you so far.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
So I think we are coming full circle here.
I never intended to suggest the Giants should abandon marquee FA signings. But in this specific case a choice between say, Carlos Beltran at 4/64 or Jose Reyes at 6/125, I’d prefer to go dumpster diving and keep my option value. AND…a consistent abillity to bring in a MiLB FA and get 3-3+ wins out of him for less than a million could be a major competitive advantage, and the Giants show what might be the mysterious abillity to do just that.
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It's pretty much what they did in 2010.
Took advantage of undervalued commodities (Huff, Burrell, Ross, Uribe, Torres, Casilla, Mota) and a bunch of pre-arbs (Posey, Sandoval, Bumgarner, Schierholtz, Romo), to a World Series victory.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I'd rather they keep trying to duplicate that formula than
sign another Zito or Rowand. I know Reyes IF HEALTHY is way better than Zito and the same goes for Beltran and Rownads, but they could easily end up contributing a similar number of WAR. Zito/Rownads did it by staying healthy and sucking, Reyes and Beltran would get there by being good and broken.
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Burrell actually was a minor league deal
But even if he hadn’t been, I would count it as “dumpster diving” any time you can pick up an established major league player for league minimum.
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I guess?
We signed Ellis Burks to a sweet deal.
by Myemail21479 on Oct 11, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks a lot!
/puts away Jergen’s
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Sabes doesn't have the cash for Rollins
The Giants aren’t going to be able to compete with other teams that will be bidding for Rollins. Unless Rollins is going to accept a big discount to come to the Bay (very, very unlikely) then it’s silly to put any weight behind the idea. If Sabes is going to get a replacement SS it’s going to have to be a lower-tier FA or by swinging a trade. The free agents that I think he’s likely to target are:
Furcal
Alex Gonzalez (Braves)
Scutaro (if the BoSox don’t exercise his option)
Here’s a suggestion that I haven’t seen elsewhere, but is worth considering, IMO. What about trying to get Juan Uribe back from the Fodgers? They need budget reilef, they have Dee Gordon ready to go at SS, they have to pony up a lot of money to arb-eligibles like Kemp, Kershaw, and Ethier, and they’re already kicking themselves for spending too much money on the Uribe contract last offseason. If Sabes could get SA Ned to eat some of Uribe’s remaining $15M over the next 2 seasons then it could be a win-win for both teams. I wouldn’t mind Uribe for $11M over the next 2 seasons
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Uribe barely hit .200 in an injury-shortened season where he mostly played 2B/3B.
Do not want.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Could be a buy-low opportunity
If the Dodgers eat money…
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Dodgers have to eat more money though, its pretty heavily backloaded. Plus the magic $1MM deferred that got Ned the victory.
Teh $1M deferred is already owed by the Fodgers from the 2011 season. It’s not transferrable with the contract.
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I would take Uribe and 5 million in Ca$h
That is what, 4.5mil a year for 2 years?
Cheaper than the Tejada experiment
by Myemail21479 on Oct 11, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Close
That would be $5M per year.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
I thought 3 years, 21 mil was 7 mil a year
But whatever, 5 mil a year is not bad. Maybe he just hits better as a Giant? U-ribe magic?
by Myemail21479 on Oct 11, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Which would make no sense in this context given that it’s contingent on the Dodgers seeking salary relief.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
They could still save money and eat money
If they gave us Uribe’s contract and ate, say, 5 million, they’d still get 8 or 9 million in salary relief.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
$4.5MM per for 2 years of an old SS who may not even be able to play SS who may have just completely fallen off a cliff offensively? no thanks
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
What makes you think he can't play SS?
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
If I wanted a SS who was going to hit .200, I’d just start Crawford.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Except we know Uribe can do better.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Can he? His career hasn’t exactly been a model of consistency
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
We know he has done better.
There’s zero guarantee he will do better now that he’ll be two years older and more overweight.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Who do you want that we realistically have the option of obtaining?
There’s very few good options. Either we use somebody already on the payroll:
Fontenot, Crawford, or Burriss
Or we sign an available FA that we can afford
Gonzalez, Furcal, or Wilson
Or we trade for somebody that could be available:
Uribe, Scutaro, Lowrie,…
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Of that list, Lowrie is the most attractive.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I'd probably agree with you
But he’d liekely require J. Sanchez plus a prospect on the order of Surkamp or Hembree.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
I'd do Sanchez + Hembree.
Or Wilson + Hembree if they valued him more.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
too much recent Dodger stink. That ship has sailed.
Besides, everybody said “thank god, for $20MM over 3 years I am so happy we let him go”
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Didn’t want him for $21M over 3 years, but at around $11M for 2 years it would be something to consider.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
eh, I dunno. Even though Sabean tried to bash him in public after he signed with LA, in the end Uribe still did want to be a Dodger. I’m way over that.
I’d rather get the hackers as far away as possible from this team forever.
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
If they could work it out so the Giants paid Uribe 5 million per year, I would be okay with this. He would fit the Flappy role.
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It's Posey time!!
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wow awesome
I didn’t think that would ever happen. Go Stow!
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TSFGWTWS DVD Box Set Help!
I thought there was a way to get the local guys on a few of these games? Any help
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TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I could not find it on bonus discs (game 4 and 6 philly)
Audio options for the WS games allows you to pick KNBR
by Myemail21479 on Oct 11, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
There should be an option in the menu where you can pick what announcers you want for the World Series games. You’re stuck with Buck and McCarver for the two NLCS game.
Oh joy… thanks.
This is the first we’ve watched it! It was all still in the original wrappings… so much for those coupons!
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This reminded me to order the blurays from amazon
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This no commercial stuff is pretty neato.
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But, no, the 8-disc set isn’t — is it?! — it’s not available in blu-ray. Is it? What? Got me excited now. I think only the Rob Schneider thing is available in blu-ray, not the games discs. Could it be? What? Lemme check Amazon.
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I want that Scheider film. I would be a good first Blue-Ray.
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by non sequitur on Oct 11, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Lolniesky Betancourt
OrLOLando Cabrera
Juan Lolribe
It will be one of these dudes.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 2:21 PM PDT reply actions
Jim Thome your 2012 Giants Starting SS
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Cain for Dunn!
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Honestly…I don’t know why we are so stuck on getting a SS. If you can get offensive production from elsewhere in the lineup, Crawford’s defense would be sufficient to cover the hole at short.
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Seriously
if you resign Beltran and get a decent CF it would be a fine lineup
CF
Sanchez
Buster
Panda
Beltran
Belt/Nate
Huff
Crawford
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/shakes head
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You're right
I can’t keep getting sucked into this.
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This idea isn't anathema to me.
But if Reyes or Rollins can be had, then it’s a move that’s gotta be made…. Particularly if Reyes comes in a package deal with Beltran.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
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Package!
With festive wrapping and a bow!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
DONG DECORATOR
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GROIN GARNISHER
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JUNK JAZZER-UPPER
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 11, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 11, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the Giants SS should be at least a bit below league average offensively. Ideally, he’d be better than that. Crawford is neither.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
no worries
they can find someone WAY below league average. Glass 1/4 full!
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by natteringnabob on Oct 11, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
If we can’t get Reyes and can add good bats throughout the lineup this would be fine. But I don’t see that happening..
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
It’s never fine to have Brandon Crawford starting. If worst comes to worst, it should at least be Mike Fontenot.
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Crawford still has time to develop… until he becomes a better hitter Fontenot should be in there…… but as we saw in the latter part of the season Bochy isn’t playing him at all
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um yeah it does… if they can get good bats at a bunch of positions… you can sacrifice offense for defense at short….
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
You play the better player regardless of context. Fontenot is better than Crawford.
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except bochy doesn’t play fontenot…
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
so the fontenot over crawford thing isnt even an issue
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This is all hypothetical, of course. We know Bochy is a dolt. We don’t have to subscribe to his line of “thinking.”
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Well then hypothetically let Fontenot start and let Craw improve in AAA.
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I was never arguing that he is better than fonty just that if hypothetically we turned our offense into the something amazing that bork borking craw at SS when he isnt ready for the MLB wouldn’t hurt so much
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
Part of making the offense amazing would necessarily be Crawford’s benching.
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getting reyes would be optimal but we all heard sabez hes our starting ss next year FML
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Did we?
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 11, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
During one of his Belt bashing sessions, he said something about PIll being read to play next year and that crawford was going to be playing ss for us next year… i dont remember the exact quote
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I would challenge you to provide documentation.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 11, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I want to be wrong…. I’m hopefully misremembering one of his terrible interviews
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You must realize by now that what he says in an interview is dubious at best as a guide to what will actually happen.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 11, 2011 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Not defensively.
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Probably.
I really think they’re going to need Fontenot to log considerable time at second base anyway. One way or another, they need to bring in another middle infielder.
This
Raise your hand if you think Sanchez will play more than 100 games next season.
/Sanchez tries and fails to raise his hand
Last year was the first year in his career that Sanchez didn't play at least 100 games.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
True, but he’s honestly been miscast as a walking mash ward. He never missed significant time in his career until he meniscus asploded in ’09.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
The main flaw in this line of thinking
Crawford would have to be Ozzie Smith reincarnate to MAYBE justify his playing.
The bat does not belong in a major league lineup
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also…. there is no way in hell the Giants will make the team that much better in the offseason that would justify him starting everyday…. imho
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
I would be ok with Crawford playing if this were the lineup
Reyes SS
Belt LF
Beltran RF
Fielder 1b
Sandoval 3b
Posey C
Sanchez 2b
Crawford SS
P
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Hahaha i messed that up
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Fixed
Sizemore CF
Belt LF
Beltran RF
Fielder 1b
Sandoval 3b
Posey C
Sanchez 2b
Crawford SS
P
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I still don’t like this because Fontenot is better than Crawford.
My adopted Giant, the young Reinier Roibal
I agree
I’m posting this outrageous lineup to make the point that there is no way a 2012 Giants lineup could bear Crawford at SS.
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Crawford would have to be Ozzie Smith reincarnate
Which is awkward, because Ozzie is still alive.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Ozzie Smith has made use of Horcruxes
Little known fact
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Incredibly important historical note
Jane Pauley became the eighth cohost of Today 35 years ago today, October 11, 1976. I wasn’t sure the show from that day was digitized, but it is. FUN!
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This was another great moment. "Light the tree Jane"
Classic bit. I love it.
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Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Oct 11, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
One of my favorite things about Letterman’s style is his nonsensical asides. I do the same thing in real life. I’m sure the people around me find it annoying, but man, is it funny.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
How many department store Santas can fit in a coffee shop?
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Great example. Funny as all get-out (actual unit of comedy measurement).
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
Firesign Theater was the master of this.
Gogonzola the Cheese Monster still makes me laugh. I can understand why others are not necessarily so amused.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
not to get all "it was better in the old days"
but he really was better, although I didn’t watch him regularly in the early NBC years.
Joe Nobody: The slugging speedster the Giants need, at an irrationally low price.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"That one's on me."- Madison Bumgarner
by natteringnabob on Oct 11, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve recently been exploring Firesign’s work. It’s amazing stuff.
I’m here to kick ass and drink sweet tea, and dammit, I’m all out of sweet tea.
More fun that doing your taxes in the Applied Mathematics section of the university library!
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Mrs. jhiat00 gave me cash to buy a tv for my birthday. I ordered it but now I have to wait 13 days before it gets here. LOL LIVING OUTSIDE OF NORMAL CIVILIZATION!
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
The fact that you can command a computer to have someone deliver a big television to your front door all from the comfort of your home still kinda amazes me.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
BUT I HAVE TO WAIT AN ENTIRE FORTNIGHT!
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Do you have a good broadband connection? Maybe you can download it.
by non sequitur on Oct 11, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
she gave you cash out of your paycheck? that’s so sweet!! just playin, haha
what kind of TV did ya get?
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
No, she works a few days a week at her salon. Apparently she saved up for like 6 months.
It’s kind of embarrassing but I got this package deal from Walmart. I figured by buying a bargain name brand it would allow me to get the other stuff needed to enjoy the tv without having to spend more than what I was given. Regardless it will be a vast improvement over the 32’’ boat anchor we currently have.
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I’ve never had a Vizio (all my TVs are Samsung) but I haven’t heard bad things about them. If your current 32" isn’t a flat-screen, then you’re def in for a treat with the high-def.
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I have a very similar TV
I have the newer model (474sv), which I understand to be essentially the same as the 473. The picture is fantastic, much better than the four-year-old Sony LCD it replaced. The TV itself is, style-wise, nothing to write home about but it’s not hideous or anything. I can’t say anything about reliability since I’ve only had it for a month or so.
Gee Rowand struck out… shocking.
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Where is Rowand playing?
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Great…now he ruined my favorite baseball song too.
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If that was your favorite baseball song then you deserved it.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
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I love that song
the video is awesome.
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There’s a video? Hmmmm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raSJDLv-Wpg
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Ha ha
Grab some pine meat!
KKKKK
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Sit down RectumFace!!!
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I am most afraid that Pill will play 1B, Huff will be forced into LF for better or worse and Belt will be benched or in the minors.
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If Bochy has even a moderate IQ he wouldn’t keep playing Aubrey Huff if he keeps doing what he did this season.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
They’ve already indicated that they won’t keep playing Huff if he does not improve.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Didn’t they say that back in June of 2011, that Huff needed to hit or sit?
and yet there we were in Sept, with Bochy saying everyday that Huff would come around…
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
See Sabean’s comments at the year-end press conference.
People give Bochy and Sabean a lot of slack about Huff but I think the both of them wanted to shield Huff until after the year. I don’t think there was any complaint about Panda until the end of 2010.
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And for what it's worth,
He did improve in the second half, though the power numbers still weren’t up to snuff.
And he sat through the last two weeks of the season.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
he was probably just too burned out to even swing in the 2nd half, which is why his walks went up.
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Which is why his average was nearly 40 points better in the second half, you mean.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
oh, I just looked at his OBP as a whole. fair point, then.
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Huff plays until at least June even if he's awful.
The Giants won’t cut a vet any earlier than that in a season (waits for links disproving this).
Molina
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Yeah…I misread you post…I think Huff starts that season but sit after May if he continues to be the same player.
Don’t forget the key issue was his conditioning at the beginning of the year.
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I have this fear as well
Pill Bowkers it up in Spring Training then plays 1b for 3 months with Huff in LF
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and Nate loses his starting RF job within 3 weeks because of a slump
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not opposed to it at this time. I know you guys don’t believe clutch exists, but I believe some it that and Nate has always been CLUTCH.
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Nate should be our starting ss. He’s got an above average bat for a ss.
:) And that arm! He could probably throw it to first, accurately, almost every time he caught the ball.
Yes! I DO have Nate's number tattoed on my ass. It's a long story.
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by jeremy.lassen on Oct 11, 2011 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Everyone needs to watch the new movie "Drive"
MOON LANDING? BEAR GRYLLS!
by Anonymous1337 on Oct 11, 2011 2:54 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I do?
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 11, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
YOU ARE NOT BOSS OF WHAT JOHNNY DISASTER DON’T DO!
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I was really hoping Johnny posted that, because that’s the best possible name to have if youre going to speak in third person.
The first six innings are overrated.
JOHNNY DISASTER DOESN’T NEED A THIRD PERSON. ONE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 11, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’ve heard the title is misleading. Maybe even worthy of a lawsuit.
by non sequitur on Oct 11, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Enjoy paying legal fees you crazy old bat
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What?! Only THREE car chases?! Bah! Pfui! Summon the headsman!
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
wat
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Mayor of Smug.
I saw it on Sunday
I thought it was great.
by S. Pickford #25 on Oct 11, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
White Sox considered Konerko as a player manager?
Interesting.
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by Anonymous1337 on Oct 11, 2011 3:01 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
If the Giants want to keep Lincecum, Cain, MadBum, Posey, and Panda long term, I suspect we’ll only see short term deals for most players. I get the feeling we’ll be seeing Beltran depart, and Rollins/Reyes will both sign elsewhere.
No reason to pay external guys too much money when you can dumpster dive for decent quality. And Orlando Cabrera.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
/facepalm
relying on dumpster dives to produce at key positions is not a wise strategy
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
But
when you owe Barry Rowand 30 million a year you’ve got to find alternatives.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
I’d agree, really, but neither is expensive free agent signings. A five year contract to a 33-year-old shortstop, or a 30-something centerfielder, or a seven year contract to a crappy former Cy Young winner also isn’t a particularly wise strategy.
The better strategy might be internal development. For example, key positions being filled by Lincecum, Cain, MadBum, Posey, Panda, and maybe even Belt, would be a pretty solid way to start. But when they start getting expensive, if you’re going to keep them all, you need to keep costs down somewhere, and bidding on the premium guys isn’t the best way to do that.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
sometimes young teams look to the dumpster to find veterans who can lead the teams. the Giants already have a good young core that have been there before, so they don’t need dumpster dives.
best thing they can do is focus on the draft and international signings at this point.
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
well, that’s only part of the reasons.
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
That's just a story Ms tell the media.
Teams look to the veteran dumpster because they can’t afford better and don’t have a prospect ready. Clubhouse reputations might help them discriminate between candidates, but it’s not the reason they turn to the dumpster in the first place.
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My car was making a funny noise when I drove it home just now, I think I should call a plumber!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 3:08 PM PDT reply actions
G. Gordon Liddy is available.
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Scooter Libby... not so available.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
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Do you also hate Wait Wait Don’t Tell Me?
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It is parked in a chigloo!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Question
If the Giants were willing to give Uribe 3 years/$20 million and Tejada $6.5 million…why is it that much of a stretch for them to get Rollin at $8.5 milion a year?
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Because Rollins would have to agree to that amount
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by Lars The Wanderer on Oct 11, 2011 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that Rollins cares more about the years than the money…
He makes $8.5 million now…I cannot imagine him thinking that he would get more considering the drop in his production.
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I think it’s more about the money than years.
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
sure but they were aware of the arb costs when they offered Uribe 3 year/20 million
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Yes, but that was a "we'll figure it out next year" problem.
And now that next year is here, they are going to be a lot more aware of arbitration costs.
Based on Amaro's comments
Sounds as though Philly will match just about any offer for 3 years. The only thing he wavered on was more than 3 years.
Oh goody.. Rowand’s up again…
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oh, wow… Matt Downs and Jesus Guzman would have had the 3rd and 4th highest OPS’s on the 2011 Giants. Good thing we gave them away for free after determining they sucked.
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To be fair, I wouldn’t be exaggerating too much when I say that Guzman would probably be the worst defensive position player in the majors.
My adopted Giant, the young Reinier Roibal
We’ve gone through this a million times
Guzman was never going to be on this team…the guy is a complete surprise
Downs only had 222 PAs in the season and had a okay second half.
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Guzman will probably also come back to Earth next season.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
the guy played first base
There wasn’t anyone blocking him from being on the Giants.
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I was talking about Downs.
Anyway, Guzman was always a decent hitter. He just can’t field.
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Oh...
oops
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Seriously
They DFA’d Downs and kept Hinshaw.
True
but Downs still only has had 222 PAs.
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With all the injuries
He’d have gotten more than that from the Giants.
of course Guzman was a complete surprise- after getting more than 20 ABs with another team, he actually produced!!
the point here is that the Giants have a habit of unnecessary DFA’s
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe
but a career .888 OPS in 4 years in the PCL does not exactly say MLB player.
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Say it with me.
.360 BABIP in less than a half-season’s worth of at-bats.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
That doesn’t matter at all. I would have taken his .360 BABIP and loved it, then either traded high on him or kept him as a utility player. His BABIP isn’t the whole story, he still has a ton of power.
Point is, the DFA was not necessaary
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Jesus Guzman does not have utility; that's the problem.
It was a limited sample size at the back end of a lost season for the Padres. I’m just thankful we didn’t have a lost season to try him out in.
There’s a reason players like him an Marcus Thames are not every day players, and aren’t acquired for anything of value. Because they’re not valuable.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
who knows, maybe a team takes him in a trade as a DH? Point is, there was no reason to cut him loose.
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
There was no place to play him in our system. I’m going to go out on a limb and assume that teams inquire to other organizations before cutting a player loose.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
so you do not agree that they shouldn’t have DFA’d?
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m saying they were probably floated out to various teams and couldn’t get anything worthwhile in return, because teams knew that he was going to get DFA’d anyway and they could just pick him up as a minor-league free agent.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Pherhaps
But do we need another borderline 1B? Dime a dozen. Jesus will fall like a rock, and so will his trade value, next year.
Sometimes you can get lucky and the guy hits right away, but you rarely trade him then anyways. If the Giants wanted to trade high, they should trade Pill or Nate.
by Myemail21479 on Oct 11, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Even though I think it’s really funny how that worked out there is no way I can get upset at the front office about it.
there was no reason to DFA either guy, especially when people like Hinshaw remain on the 40-man
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Everyone hates Hinshaw
But he is a LH RP, which unnecessarily raises his value over a RH RP or borderline 1B, or something else more common. Just the way it is. LH setup guys usually command crazy trades or expensive contracts. Affeldt might get his 5 mil option picked up, or renogiated down to 3-3.5. Casilla is making what, 2 million? Who was better last year and who has higher value from scarcity.
by Myemail21479 on Oct 11, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Her fall correlates perfectly with the decline in Aubrey Huff’s offensive output.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
The amazing thing about this
As spectacular of a fall as it is, it doesn’t look she probably got hurt at all.
I know a dude that punctured his eardrum during a similar fall into water, but yes.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 11, 2011 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Fuck gravity, man. My sworn nemesis.
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Aw man…Phillies are winning 4-2 This game sucks!
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I was too nervous to follow this game live. Good thing too, ’cuz at this moment I would have dropped dead.
by non sequitur on Oct 11, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
ha! you think Game 4 was bad? I collapsed in a heap of happiness after Game 6 ended. That game took a toll on me.
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, Game 6 was a gray hair-inducing event, too. The whole NLCS, really.
by non sequitur on Oct 11, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
haha
sit down Rollins!
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Torres!!! Cheatin’ the game!!!!
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I still have most of last year's playoff games on my DVR
Maybe I’ll watch one tonight.
I watched game 1 of WS the other day
Full game with KNBR. Pretty good. You hear the local guys talking about things like players and the game, and you see pictures of Ken Rosenthall in a bow tie talking about the circus or whatever his analysis is. Weird watching replays on TV and just having the announcers just kinda keep talking about what is going on.
Also the Bonus DVD was pretty sweet. Stuff like highlights from every game not covered, and some special nuggets, and some of the parade that I missed since I live out of market.
by Myemail21479 on Oct 11, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
What are the chances of Belt playing regularly and well next season?
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define well…I give it 60-70 percent that he’s a 1.5-2 WAR player.
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I challenge your 70% odds with a 69.5%. Where do you get those odds, anyways? :)
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Mental odds
Belt’s average sucked last year but he walked and had the HR threat going for him. He gets his average up respectable and he could be 3-5 WAR guy easy dropping 30 HR, walking 80-100 times over a full season. LOL like Bochy would let that happen unless he went all Buster and got player of the month in his first month and shit.
by Myemail21479 on Oct 11, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he does have that 30 HR power potential too. Like Buster, he’s going to have alot more power than he was initially projected to have.
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
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by giant4life83 on Oct 11, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Worth reading
I will say that we’re all learning that we’re probably moving players too fast now, even the ones like Brandon Belt that fly through the Minor Leagues. All of a sudden, in the National League especially and in our division, there’s some pretty rugged pitching you face every night. It’s very difficult to protect a young player that doesn’t have a lot of Minor League experience. … The pitching up here is so good that you better be sure that someone can pull their weight in the lineup.
http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111010&content_id=25591372&vkey=news_sf&c_id=sf&tcid=fb_share
Sabean certainly hasn’t made up his mind yet on Belt’s role. They did say Huff would see time in the OF.
Yea
Also leaving justification for Pill to get some more reps, having spend 2 full years in AAA.
I am not against it, but between Pill Huff, Nate and Belt and 2-3 spots, who knows what will happen.
by Myemail21479 on Oct 11, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Remember that Pill was occupying Rowand’s spot. Or now, probably what was DeRosa’s spot.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
oh shit! who is our backup third baseman?
Forget everything else. what happens when panda breaks another hammamade, or whatever?
We should probably resign Derosa, just in case. LOL
Yes! I DO have Nate's number tattoed on my ass. It's a long story.
http://www.leftymalo.com/2011/08/the_number_twelve.php
by jeremy.lassen on Oct 11, 2011 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
In some ways
The biggest issue going against Belt was the unbelievable success of Buster. the FO and fans all expected Belt to do the same.
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Yea man
Posey’s rookie year was a freaking dream.
by Myemail21479 on Oct 11, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
IMO: what hurt Belt the most was the wrist fracture. He would’ve stayed and gotten his 300 AB’s this year had that not happened. We just won’t know what he can do until he’s had that.
Probably
but it was completely unrealistic to expect Belt to become a 3+ WAR player.
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Considering how fucking horrible Huff was
A 1 WAR player was like a +3 WAR increase
by Myemail21479 on Oct 11, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Az. has some scary prospects, Bauer, Parker, in the pipeline to go along with Kennedy. They will certainly get tougher next year.
Sabean’s probably thinking Belt might see time against them in aaa if they are there at the beginning of the season. At least I don’t think they’ve ruled that out yet.
But if he rips it up in the Winter League that should put him on a path for the big club out of ST. Personally I think he should be the 1Bman period, forget about the OF, which Sabean also admitted could be affecting his offense.
Shift A
I am still pretty ok with Crawford keeping the job, provided the Giants can keep Beltran.
Posey-Beltran-Pablo-BeltHuff on a dead cat bounce is not a bad middle of the order.
Also RE: Playoffs: I am so apathetic about the remaining teams. Could really care less who wins, just want good baseball. If the Rangers destroy everyone, I’ll be fine, it would just be boring.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
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What a crazy idea this is!
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I don't think he's ready quite yet.
But it is my belief that sometime past the All-Star break, Crawford will be promoted back to the major leagues and display the ability to perform as a legit major league shortstop.
Crawford has not had successful offensive season at any professional level
We might as well try Adrianza based on this logic
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I love Crawfords fielding.
And he could still grow into the average hitting shortstop, which is not that good anyway.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
At the risk of criticism, I will say again Crawford’s swing passes the eye test. Can’t comment on his pitch recognition or approach, though.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
What?
Pitch recognition is almost as good as Belts! Dude walks. He added about 80 points to his OBP from his BA, which is phenominal. If he can add 20-40 points to his average (power too I would hope) and with his ability to walk and magic glove he is more than serviceable! Take him and his 500k a year over Tejada and his 6.5 mil a year any day!
by Myemail21479 on Oct 11, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
What exactly
Other than hope are you basing your assertion that he could be an average hitting SS in the majors
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umm, hope.
And he is 24 with only 220 big league plate appearances.
Also I cannot find what a league average SS hits.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I've finally figured out what Grant is doing.
He is creating front page posts that he knows will cause us to argue amongst ourselves, therefore weakening our union. We are easier to control on his whim when we are divided.
I KNOW WHAT YOU DID
What's great about BABIP becoming mainstream is now the fan never actually has to admit his team flat-out lost.
<3 Kanani Madison
WOOOOO
Dave Groeschner, the Giants’ head athletic trainer, just told me that Posey has begun catching live bullpen sessions for pitchers in the instructional league. Groeschner watched Buster catch his second one this morning. The session lasted about 8 minutes.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
that poor llama
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Sooooooo
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Did Boston scape goat the wrong guy?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Smart smart man
He a chance to be a legend
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1 GM
2 curses
Unlimited payrolls
Unlimited glory
shitty weather
by Myemail21479 on Oct 11, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Breaking the most prominent curses in baseball history = legend
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Cubs instantly become the SMARTEST FRANCHISE IN SPORTS
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 11, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
It seems like Soriano has enough value and the Cubs have enough money
to make this happen. Though, Soriano may have a no-trade clause, which would bang the whole thing.
Jesus, have two bad years and suddenly everyone’s leaving. Will the ball boy be next?
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Oct 11, 2011 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
OT
This has been one of the most onTopic threads I can remember.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
Depressed the Yankees lost
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New Thread
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