Garza vs. Cain

Part 1 is at the link. Part 2 is here: http://www.splashingpumpkins.com/2011/01/garza-vs-cain-part-two-not-so-great.html

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No contest

Cain all the way

by mocal on Jan 21, 2011 12:58 PM PST reply actions

Ovbiously

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by hairball on Jan 21, 2011 1:36 PM PST up reply actions

Snape elocutes better than I can spell, evidently

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by hairball on Jan 21, 2011 1:37 PM PST up reply actions

The Hoss

Matt Cain. He just does a lot of things very well.

"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker

by Rolfyboy on Jan 21, 2011 1:41 PM PST reply actions

I don't care what the Viceroy of Stats says...

I don’t care what his regression models show

, averaging nearly 220 innings with a sterling 3.27 ERA over the last three years.

Because that is elite production. I don’t care if he has outperformed his periferrals and his projections. He has pitched on average 220 innings and in the great majority of his starts gives up three runs or less.

I don’t care what you say about how he does it or how he shouldn’t be able to do it, he has done it.

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by Cody_ransom on Jan 21, 2011 2:13 PM PST reply actions

So when we look at measures of success, not predictors of it...

Matt Cain is as elite as it gets over the past three seasons. Only 5 pitchers have pitched at least 650 IP over that time and given up fewer runs.

Felix
Lincecum
Lee
Halladay
Grienke
Cain

You notice, the Giants are the only team to have produced two from this list. That is why they are good.

The Giants Won the World Series.

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by Cody_ransom on Jan 21, 2011 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

“The Giants Won the World Series.”

Never gets old.

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by Josh from Hollywood on Jan 21, 2011 2:26 PM PST up reply actions

Maybe I'm missing something

But don’t the Phillies have two of those guys? And didn’t the Mariner start last season with 2 of those guys?

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by Bhaakon on Jan 21, 2011 4:08 PM PST up reply actions

But they didn’t produce them. (and I guess nitpickingly, Philadelphia hasn’t had them yet, at least not together).

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by Roger on Jan 21, 2011 4:26 PM PST up reply actions

Bhaakon, I chose my words carefully

The entire post was looking at what has happened, not what will or should. Like Roger said the phillies have yet to put those two guys on the field together so, that’s why I used the word produce. This also indicates superior player development.

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Jan 22, 2011 8:35 AM PST up reply actions

Yes, extremely carefully.

Sabathia, for instance, has given up 21 more runs than Cain over the last three season, but in 62 more innings, and (most of the time) facing a DH. Kind of arbitrary, but Cain’s certainly a legit #1 pitcher (though I think your selective endpoints oversell the case).

The Indians owners should be kicking themselves for pissing away him and Lee, if they’re not too busy counting their revenue sharing money.

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by Bhaakon on Jan 22, 2011 6:10 PM PST up reply actions

Of course, if you look at another “measure of success,” Cain has won only 35 games over that time, while losing 33.

He’s a good pitcher, but don’t oversell it.

by Evan on Jan 23, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions

Wow this comparison is almost as easy of an answer

As Cain vs. Billingsley. Duh!! Cain!

Brandon!
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by Vaccaro on Jan 21, 2011 4:09 PM PST via mobile reply actions

Do I really have to explain in agonizing detail once again why Chad Billingsley is a really good pitcher and at least as good as Cain?

Ain't no Posey like a Buster Posey cause a Buster Posey don't stop...hitting.

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by quincy0191 on Jan 21, 2011 9:39 PM PST up reply actions

Regarding the comparison of Matt Cain’s reputation for good control versus Garza’s reputation for erratic control:

In his career, 65.44% of Matt Cain’s pitches have gone for strikes, whereas Matt Garza has only gotten 62.40% of his pitches in the zone. That might not look like much at a casual glance, but it is actually fairly significant. Cain is closer to Greg Maddux (66.95%) and Garza is closer to Jonathan Sanchez (61.42%) than the two are to each other.

The walk rates are similar, but that does not make them similar pitchers. Cain is significantly better than Garza.

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by Solidarity on Jan 21, 2011 5:06 PM PST reply actions

Matt Cain = Not a Winner

suck it haterz……GO GIANTS

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by Regulus on Jan 21, 2011 5:29 PM PST reply actions

Cain doesn't win regular season games,

Only postseason.

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by Azmanz on Jan 21, 2011 6:27 PM PST up reply actions

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lolz

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Belted deep to right-center field!

by Vaccaro on Jan 21, 2011 8:47 PM PST reply actions 1 recs

Even as a joke

don’t do this again

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by SFGuy on Jan 21, 2011 10:23 PM PST up reply actions

I don’t understand why people type that way; it’s not just that it annoys the shit out of everyone else, or that it’s headache-inducing, it has to be really time-consuming to type all that out.

Ain't no Posey like a Buster Posey cause a Buster Posey don't stop...hitting.

Giants baseball: We're stupid enough to WIN that (TM)

by quincy0191 on Jan 21, 2011 11:11 PM PST up reply actions

If I ran a message board, people who typed like that would be banned.

Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Jan 22, 2011 2:55 AM PST up reply actions

I know

I can’t believe there’s people that actually seriously type that way. It was what made me decide not to go out with a certain girl once when she asked me lol. I just never understood it. I don’t know how she got so fast at it either!

Brandon!
Belted deep to right-center field!

by Vaccaro on Jan 22, 2011 3:59 AM PST via mobile up reply actions