Is Now The Time To Trade Jonathan Sanchez?

No.

No.

Stop it. Late night rosterbation is the worst kind. Green hair will grow out of your palms. Trading Sanchez? Trading starting pitching? In the NL West? The Giants? 500 years ago this would have been grounds for burning at the stake for blasphemy.

No. Stop it. I know you’re lonely, but this ain’t gonna help.

Three walks issued after thirteen pitches. In the World Series.

I will never want this guy on my team.

If you trade Sanchez, you do it by packaging him and getting in return an impact bat and a back of the rotation starter.

I can understand BusterHomerun’s natural aversion to Holland after the World Series, but Derek is a damn good prospect and pre-arb players who produce are really valuable.

And Holland would replace Sanchez in the rotation, so Rolfyboy’s ‘blasphemy’ label doesn’t make much sense, because it’s not “trading starting pitching”. If anything, it’s a prospect swap, with more goodies added in for the Giants. And it’s a sell-high.

I won’t call my yes-vote a declaration that I would personally make the trade, though. Think of it this way: I like the idea and would certainly consider it. Then I would put my trust in the Giants’ FO (Sabean and his other pitching specialists) to decide for themselves if Holland is worth it, using their pitching scouting that has proved so fruitful in recent times.

My guess is that Sabes’ FO would do that deal.

Well this isn’t the ordinary “Sanchez 4 dingerz!!” rant I was expecting to find.

I’m not sure why, but I get the feeling that the average GM will say that Garza > Sanchez. Sanchez is a pitcher that, to me, will always feel undervalued because he’ll look terrible in one start and then brilliant in the next.

I do like Holland a good bit. I think he’s going to do well eventually.

it’s not a terrible offer, but the Giants should be in WIN NOW mode. I like Sanchez for 2011 over Holland.

Probably not. I mean you’re basically banking on the idea that one day Holland will be as good as Sanchez and Beltre feels like he’s a bit of a long way away from the majors (I know he played in AA last year, but his career SLG is under .400 and he slugged .337 in AA last year… even if he’s there at that young age, it could turn into, idk, Fernando Martinez… who actually produced a hell of a lot better to that point than Beltre has so far.)

If the Giants had finished under .500 last year or something, I would probably be all for it, but given the context of how the Giants actually performed last year, I feel like this would be a pretty tough deal to sell and I’m not sure it would really be worth it anyway.

I hate to say it, but Zito makes it tough to roll the dice on our southpaws… at least until we see what Runzler can do.

interesting batch of young players. The crux of it IMO is whether Sanchez ever gets more even tempered. He has the throwing talent. Athleticism. Some secondary pitches. But if Sabes and Boch believe that Sanchez will always be just one incident away from a meltdown and a second inning benching, then they are more likely to make a deal like this. Of course other GMs have seen video too.
Impact bat would be nice but our position is not real strong. Yes there is the occassional brilliant game, but there’s the other as well. I haven’t followed Holland. Can he pitch with the game on the line? Ron Washington doesn’t think so any more.

But I think that any package we trade him for should include a 5th starter.

here’s the list of who we can trade durty for, all of whom are unavailable

pujols,
fielder,
braun
AGonzalez
maybe a few others,,,,,but otherwise we don’t trade durty until we find a lefthanded replacement….and his name is not Zeets

My ‘no’ vote is entirely because I would be hesitant to mess with the primary reason for the first WS championship in San Francisco Giants history.

We should trade our entire starting rotation, plus zach wheeler, for a can of tomatoes.

Two Giants on the Top 50 memorable nicknames: #5 Willie Mays, #48 Tim Lincecum

He appeared to turn it in September, right around second base. Seems to me that he will always be wrestling with a shaky head game, but with the bullishness to push through it. He’s a shittalker and he’ll continue to get his shit shut up in humiliating fashion, but his team is talented enough to bail him out when it gets dire. It’s all in whether you think he can sustain the BABIP dip that coincided with his first good season. Did he find himself or sell his soul for the world series?

 I say keep him, because he’s a fiery fellow who takes after Randy Johnson on his best days, strikeouts, no-hitters, and all. And when he completely melts down, which he surely will, remember what we learned in Game 6: The ’pen is his posse.

My prediction: Pablo and Dirty are riding the same wave. Either they both find their groove, or they both plunge.

I voted no, simply because I’m not sold on Holland at this juncture. If he had one more year of seasoning I might do it, but he just feels like an unfinished product at a time when we don’t have the depth to make a leap of faith on him.

I’m not necessarily opposed to the idea of trading Sanchez, but I’d argue that while this might be a fair trade, I’d need to see more on the table to pull the trigger with conviction.

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I’ve been saying for years now that any Sanchez trade would be for too little, and I think this is too, though it is getting close. Get rid of Francisco, we don’t need him. Add in Martin Perez or Profar to the package, probably preferably Profar, plus another lower prospect the Giants scouts like (I wouldn’t mind Mike Olt).

A pitcher who can strikeout so many batters is very rare and should be treated as such. Few here has understood this. The other team should be overpaying to get him. The package above is an overpay, but we got the pitcher and don’t really need to move him, particularly given the depth issue for the Giants in 2011.

My hope is that the Giants sign Sanchez to a long-term extension that goes into his free agent years, that will give them leverage to trade him after the 2011 season when Sanchez should have “proven” in minds of others that this is his real talent level and thus worthy of overpaying for him. I would even overpay a little bit just to get that extra year or two, as that would enhance his value in trade.

I agree that there will be some regression to Sanchez in 2011 relative to 2010, but at the same time, if he regresses to the 3.78 ERA that Baseball Forecaster predicts or 3.71 ERA that Bill James says, that is still pretty good and will, I think, make other teams more likely to bid more for him than us trying to trade him now.

I would like to get a package close to what the A’s got for Haren a few years back (don’t expect as good, since not as good, but that’s the target we move off of). That would stock up our system nicely for 2012-2014. If he can do well again in 2011, which I think he can, that just might get us that big package, particularly if tied with a nice contract extension. And by then, we would have better idea of how close Wheeler is and how good Bumgarner is.