The residue of design
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 29, 2010 10:59 AM PDT
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PrintEvery good team is lucky. The 2009 Yankees were good, and they threw wads of cash at three agents, but they were also lucky. Half of their lineup was 35 or older, and they all a) stayed healthy, and b) performed like All-Stars. The people who assumed they were guaranteed a championship at the start of the season were nuts. Ultimately correct, but nuts.
Please don’t take this as a slam on Brian Sabean, as if I were saying "Look how lucky this buffoon has been!" Every team is lucky in some way to have the good players they have. The Yankees were smart. The Yankees were rich. But if the Reds liked Derek Jeter more than Chad Mottola, the Yankees were screwed. Of course, then they would have drafted Calvin Murray and turned him into a Hall-of-Famer. But hang with me. This is a nod to the what-ifs that you don’t think about when you watch a good team, nothing more.
Andres Torres
If any team in baseball offered him a major league contract, he would have giggled as he signed the deal. Any team wiling to guarantee him a spot on the 25-man-roster could have had him.
But that’s just one of 100 different reasons why the Giants are lucky to have watched Torres play as well as he has. If John Bowker hit half as well as the vocal minority thought he could, Torres would still be a fifth outfielder. If Aaron Rowand didn’t completely fall in the toilet, Torres would still be a bench player. If Mark DeRosa didn’t have a gummy coke bottle where his tendon should be, Torres would be a defensive replacement. The Giants had the good luck to have their outfield plans sabotaged by injury and poor performances.
Aubrey Huff
Adam LaRoche: Oh, ants who collectively manage my finances, my agent says I should take the multi-year deal offered by the Giants, but I’m not sure. What you think?Ants who collectively manage Adam LaRoche’s finances: ...
LaRoche: I never thought of it like that! Yeah, screw those guys. Thanks, ants who collectively manage my finances! I’ll wait for a better offer.
Ants who collectively manage Adam LaRoche’s finances: (...please to be leaving a sugar cube in the ant farm...)
Nick Johnson: I got a sugar cube for you, fellas. Wait, no, that’s a piece of bone. Now where did that one come from?
Buster Posey
If one coach at Florida State didn’t have a Buster-related epiphany, Posey would be playing third base in the Yankees system right now. Instead, Posey was moved to catcher, which raised his draft stock up high enough for him to be a possibility for a team picking in the first ten picks of the amateur draft, which will eventually lead to world peace, Wyld Stallyns-style.
Tim Lincecum
All of us have spent a few years laughing at the Orioles and Royals for picking non-Lincecums in the draft, so it’s time for a different approach. In the first eight games of 2005, the Dodgers beat the Giants four times. Odalis Perez was the winning pitcher twice. If the Dodgers don’t win those four games, the Diamondbacks or Rangers would have picked before the Giants, and surely one of them would have drafted Tim Lincecum. If Armando Benitez didn’t blow a ninth-inning lead against the Dodgers in this game, maybe Tim Lincecum wouldn’t be on the Giants.
Armando Benitez: responsible for Buster Posey and Tim Lincecum. That Armando guy is a regional hero.
Matt Cain
Sure, 24 teams passed on Matt Cain in the first round of the 2002 draft, but I like to think that the real luck came when Cain’s mother put that second "T" down on the birth certificate. Experts in onomastics claim this is why the Giants have a tough, workmanlike pitcher instead of a syphilitic, complaining jackass.
Jonathan Sanchez and Brian Wilson
The Giants were fortunate that Dick Tidrow saw the projectability of Sanchez before anyone else, and they were lucky that Wilson blew his arm out at LSU. And instead of going back to the old "look at all the teams that passed in the draft!" gimmick again. Let’s just make a list of player with awesome names who were drafted in the 20+ rounds before both of these players:
Kevin Ool
Vito Chiaravalloti
Elvys Quezada
Casey Spanish
Lagatila Reynolds
Von David Stertzbach
Thaddous McBurrows
Atlee Johnson
Travis Denker
I wouldn’t have been able to resist those names, either. So don’t feel bad, other teams.
I really, really like the players on this team -- not just because they’re winning and the team is good, but because they’re such a disparate bunch of goofballs. I’m more than a little fascinated with how the Giants came to have all of these guys. They have most of them through sound evaluation and smart decision-making. Here’s to the good fortune, though, that nudged things in the right direction.
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Preperation + Opportunity = Luck
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Remember the Five Ps
Proper Preparation Prevents Poor Performances
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I thought the Five Ps were
Proper Peeing Piques People’s Piggeshness
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
People Peeking Piques People Peeing
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Ooh, that’s good.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Proper Propellering Piques Peoples’ Penises
I CAN HAZ MARK REYNOLDS?
by jhiat00 on Sep 29, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I do think FTW.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
ASS + LICKER = ASS LICKER
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 29, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
SCHWANTZ + TASTER = SCHWANTZ TASTER
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by NuschlerFace on Sep 29, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I always thought it was Luck + Opportunity = Penetration
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
dinner + movie = get lucky
And the worst part, those fukin’ douchenozzles over at the MCC get to lord this over us.
Diamonds
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A little OT
I was reading Bleeding Cubbie Blue today and they were talking about how the Padres are going to celebrate their 84 season tonight. That was the year the Padres beat the Cubs in the NLCS. Hopefully karma bites them in the ass for celebrating that season.
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
I don't understand why they didn't do that last year...
This year is the 26th anniversary, why not celebrate the 25th?
"A foghorn blowing out wild and cold." -Dire Straits
Because they're assholes
And only want to celebrate in front of the Cubs.
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
They could have celebrated in front of the Cubbies last year.
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by say hey nation on Sep 29, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Well it's the year 0 problem
You could say that 1985 was the first anniversary, which makes this the 25th.
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
by achiappanza on Sep 29, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Ummm….no. This would be the 25th anniversary of the 1st anniversary. Count ’em out if you need to. Or just search your heart, Luke; you know it to be true.
Yes, really, I have not updated my blog in a long long time: http://skaldheim.livejournal.com/tag/baseball
Hmm
You make some sense there, Darth. Maybe the anniversary has nothing to do with a round number of years, and everything to do with being in contention again.
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
/Tigers celebrate ’84 World Series
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
burn baby burn
And the worst part, those fukin’ douchenozzles over at the MCC get to lord this over us.
That’s kind of rude to do it when the Cubs are there. The Padres deserve a whooping for that.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
really, that’s one of the tackiest things I’ve ever seen, how lame are the Padres
by oldgiantsguy on Sep 29, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
The Padres deserve a whooping, no doubt.
But I doubt the current Cubs (or Padres) give two shits about the outcome of the 1984 NLCS. The only person who would care is the Padres fan, so why not do it when the same pair of uniforms are on the field?
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 29, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
the Cubs announcers said the Padres celebrate it every year when the Cubs are in town. I am not sure they were serious, but it was kinda funny.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 29, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Cubs will celebrate the 2010 team next year when the Padres are in town. After they, you know, bounced their asses.
It's better to be lucky than good.
by Myemail21479 on Sep 29, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Idk about the folks in Detriot
but people in Detroit will probably be amused
by Puster Bosey on Sep 29, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
that was a great team
Kirk Gibson, Lance Parrish, Alan Trammell, Lou Whitaker, Willie Hernandez, Jack Morris
And the worst part, those fukin’ douchenozzles over at the MCC get to lord this over us.
(sic) is Latin for
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 29, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Getting really lucky one season poses a challenge for (smart) GMs in the next season
On one hand, they realize that they probably won’t get lucky 2 years in a row and that they should probably replace lucky players with good ones.
On the other hand, blowing up a lucky team is likely to be unpopular with (stupid) fans, especially if it doesn’t work out so well.
I’m not sure Sabean recognizes the luck that has hit the Giants this year.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Which players on our current roster do you consider to be lucky (i.e. flukes, and not potentially sustainable)?
Quietly hoping Brandon Belt develops into John Olerud, circa 1993.
by AndOnTheDrums... on Sep 29, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Torres has already come back to earth a bit, as has Huff in the second half, but I wonder where their true talent lies. I think they’re both just hard to peg. Cain’s year, I hope, is sustainable, but I’m not sure. Again, some impressive bullpen performances that I’m not sure will be repeated. I’m not sure Posey is this good of a hitter, though he is certainly good.
It’s inherent to any good team that some players will outperform their reasonable expectations. Of course, the Giants also have an underperformer in Sandoval (I hope by a lot). Next year will hopefully bring a couple of wise signings plus some more good fortune.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Huff has had this kind of performance before (actually better). I would agree with you on Torres, except his power has stuck around. Cain and Posey…well, that’s tough. They both pass the eye test, that’s for sure. I believe Posey can actually be a BETTER hitter than he’s shown.
Quietly hoping Brandon Belt develops into John Olerud, circa 1993.
by AndOnTheDrums... on Sep 29, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
hmm
I think it would be unwise to expect this kind of production from Posey – you might be disapoint.
I mean, keep in mind that an .800 OPS from a catcher is amazing, and what Posey is doing is phenomenal.
Historic really.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
There’s a few things to look at with Posey.
For one, i don’t think his power will stay like this. His HR output has been really good since he was called up, a lot better then I think a lot of us would have guessed, but I don’t think that’ll stay that way. His K% is a little lower (at 13.7%) then any of his minor league stops (lowest in minors was 15.5% in A+, and 17.7% in AAA this year), so that’s pretty likely to go up, and lastly, his BABIP is sitting right now at .328, which may regress some, but since we don’t have a whole lot of data in regards to BABIP with him, we’ll have to wait and see.
What I do think will improve, though, is his BB%. It’s been over 10% at every stop (lowest was 11%, and it was 13% in AAA this year), but it’s only 6.9% in the majors.
What I see happening with Posey is his BB rate improving, but his average dipping a little due to a few more strikeouts (and possible BABIP regression), and some loss of power. Overall, I think he offsets the loss in power with improved patience, and I’m completely fine with that.
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by theghostofjasonellison on Sep 29, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Huff has, but he’s also had some recent really terrible performances. I’m optimistic on both of them, but there’s just not a lot to say they’ll keep it up. They’re also both on the wrong side of 30, but Torres is in great shape.
On Posey, I agree with GiantPain. Posey’s a catcher, the Giants should not expect him to hit like this. I would so very much enjoy it if he did though.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ve been a naysayer on Huff, but I’m reconsidering that based on one thing: the league difference. His OPS for his three years in Baltimore was around 805. It may be that 805 in the AL East really does translate to 892 in the NL West (at least in conjunction with some improved conditioning and a commitment to plate discipline), hard though that is to stomach.
With Posey, there’s no reason to set limits on what he can do. He won the Golden Spikes, he raced through the minors, and now he’s one of the best players in the NL at the age of 23. He could go anywhere from here.
Burrell and Huff are awfully good arguments for the supremacy of the AL over the NL, much as we might like to think otherwise.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
additionally
they both might also be data points in favor of the old saw about how DHing actually saps offensive ability
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
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Only time I would care about that is when the Giants play the NL East. Otherwise, you only beat the guys on the field with you.
It's better to be lucky than good.
by Myemail21479 on Sep 29, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Huff and Torres
Torres probably would have been a huge star if somebody had bothered to teach him how to hit properly before 2008.
by Aquaria on Sep 29, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well, I think rotational is much more satisfying…oh, hitting? Nevermind then.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Linear shitting, on the other hand, is much more comfortab… oh, hitting? Never mind then.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
if its basically linear, why do they call it screwing?
And the worst part, those fukin’ douchenozzles over at the MCC get to lord this over us.
Never forget the meds!
It was most likely they, not the hitting changes (though those are not to be discounted), that made the really big difference.
Sabean delenda est!
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It's not the players . . .
. . . it’s the team luck. Right through most of the season (and all of the later part of it) the Giants have given up close to 60 runs fewer than their opponents’ batting line reckons out to. The implication is that if every pitcher and every fielder performed exactly the same in 2011 (assuming, for discussion, an unchanged roster), the team would finish 5 or, more likely, 6 games lower in the win column. (Even so, actual performances have been another 15 runs or so above expectation, so there’s at least some luck in the individual performances, too.)
If you’re wondering about the batting, individual luck sums to about 15 runs below expectation, but runs-scored luck to about 9 runs over, so it’s close to where it should be. But, all in all, this team, on the merits, is about an 85-game winner.
(Mind, that’s not a snapshot, because it includes a lot of numbers from mediocre-or-worse players either no longer with the team or with now much-reduced roles, but still.)
Sabean delenda est!
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Not to discount the luck the Giants have had
but isn’t it a very frequent occurance that the teams that win divisions with say, 90-92 wins, are 85-87 win teams that got lucky?
And that’s often the difference between them and their closest competitor?
I’m assuming that you’ve run this sort of analysis for prior years.
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I have.
I don’t have all the results at my fingertips, but I would say that it is not “very frequent”. In any given season, the 30 teams’ actual games-won results will have, compared to calculated results, errors that follow pretty much a Gaussian “bell-shaped” distribution curve, which necessarily includes a few off by a fair bit and a couple of real outliers. But it is not necessarily so that the outliers will be the good teams.
As a for-instance, the biggest over-performers in 2010 (based on actual stat lines) are the Astros, who will end up winning about 10 games more than their stats calculate out to. Curiously, their stat lines are also very weird: roughly, their batting is about 5 games’ worth worse than expected, while their pitching is about 4 games’ worth better than expected; but between the two, their net stat lines are only about a game off, so their “Pythagorean” luck really has made them much better than they deserve. Yet they are a well-under-.500 team.
Luck is always nice to have, but having it doesn’t assure success, and lacking it (meaning zero, not bad luck) doesn’t assure failure. But, as the old saying runs, “It’s better to be lucky than good” (and best of all to be both). Until it comes time to assess what needs to be done for the future, when luck can be mistaken for ability . . . .
(For the curious: the biggest negative Pythagorean luck in 2010 belongs to the Rockies, who will likely finish about 7 wins below scored/allowed calculation; couldn’t happen to a more deserving set of folks—well, maybe it could, but I’ll take it.)
Sabean delenda est!
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But isn't that at least partially offset
…by the fact that the Giants have under-performed against their pythag?
In other words, they may have been lucky to have given up as few runs as they did, but they’ve been unlucky that it didn’t translate to more wins
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Yes, but only a little.
Their underperformance on actual runs scored/allowed is about 3 wins.
It does seem to be so that the gods of baseball sort of correct these things: win projections from basic stats (that is, first project runs, then project wins from the projected runs) are usually a hair more accurate than those from straight wins-from-actual-runs calculations. I’d noticed that myself over the years, in a sort of offhand way, but someone actually did a study (it’s somewhere in the archives of, I believe, The Baseball Analysts) that confirmed it.
Sabean delenda est!
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Wait Im from the future...
Fuck you Benitez – LMAO
I dont know what the rotation will be for the end of this series or for the Padre series but If we could sweep and the Cubs could do something not Cub like:
Game Over Man – Game Over
I'm with you
I refuse to believe Armando Blow-netiz did anything but screw us over. I would rather eat my hat and say that Sabean and his crew were geniuses for picking Posey and Torres then say Blownetiz helped.
by Los Gigantes on Sep 29, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Well I can understand you thinking Sabean is terrible but the fact is that the Giants have actually very good scouting people. I have a ton of respect for Dick Tidrow and John Barr
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
You guys have something special.
Isn’t that what Molina said about the Giants when he was bumming about being traded? I don’t think he’s been alone in feeling that way. It seems like Huff and Burrell aren’t just grateful to have another chance. They know that that magic intangible something is here that settles around winners, something special, something that makes them greater than the sum of their parts (some of which are great indeed).
by Aquaria on Sep 29, 2010 11:12 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
What Molina couldn't understand...
…is that it wasn’t room for any magic with him inside
Hey-o!
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I for one am still wondering how the Giants will fuck this up.
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I was thinking about this too.
I think if the G’s don’t reduce the magic # by at least 1 tonight, we will not be feeling nearly as good as we are now.
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Oh yeah.
This place’ll be a disaster.
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by troymccluresf on Sep 29, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree the first few are lucky. The last one I think is talent.
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by say hey nation on Sep 29, 2010 11:14 AM PDT reply actions
Put me in the camp of not really caring too much about whether it is luck or talent
I am just happy to be here and not posting this image on a weekly basis. In fact, I don’t think i have posted it in about 4 months which might be the best thing that has happened to me in a long time (other then my 8th wedding anniversary which was yesterday)
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Congratulations!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I hope that picture isn't representative of your anniversary
Grats!
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It’s a very right-handed lineup, and it’s a very pitchable lineup right now," said the evaluator. “They’ve got guys who expand the strike zone, and their catching is a problem. It’s been a long time since I’ve seen a player go backward as quickly as Bengie Molina has.”
Dude needs to retire. It’s just getting sad.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Last HR was July 16 (cycle game)
From July 17 – Sept 17, he batted .172 / .225 / .198 / .423
Since then, he’s gone 7 for his last 14.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?
dude should have retired after the cycle
people never know when to walk away though.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
"people never know when to walk"
Especially not Bengie!!!
instant rimshot
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Jprawny is benched!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 29, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Meanwhile, at the far end of the bench, JPonRye fumes silently.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
Mmmm...
Jamon ’pon Rye….
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 29, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m ignoring my calculus professor to read this post on my phone. Man, I love this team. Also, LOL other teams.
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Hey CALCULUS!!!! I’m taking that too, but unfortunately I cannot ignore my professor b/c I haven’t had math in 7 years!!
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Sep 29, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
but when was the last time you had meth?
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before every class.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Sep 29, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I haven’t taken math in 2 years, but I’ve already taken this level of calc so this is just a refresher. Hence, me being on my phone almost the entire time.
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My last math class was the same class, but I forgot everything.
Plus I am also at a little better quality school now too.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Sep 29, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Don't worry
No one else at USC pays attention to their teachers either.
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
Same here
I’m doing the same, except it’s a physical chemistry course and I should really be paying attention. I think I’m addicted to this site :(
by Hamed on Sep 29, 2010 11:46 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I never paid attention to the second semester PChem class. It was all thermal dynamics, and I already took the chemical engineering equivalent of that in my Junior year. While everybody is trying to figure out P1P2, I was like HELLO FUGACITY.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
I took the full year of pChem at two different institutions and the first semester of at my first institution covered the same material as the second semester at the other institution. It was awesome.
Overplayed memes:
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2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Sep 29, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
How about Applied Material Physics ? nvsfg jr #1 had to take that as part of her civil engineering bs
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you know what I really hated?
Advanced Organic Chemistry. It made me quit Biochemistry emphasis for Chem E. I went as far away as possible and ended up with Electronic Materials emphasis.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Fuck VLSB
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
VLSB is a beautiful building.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
And everyone in the class thought you were just a smart azn
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
I thought that was thermodynamics when I took it.
And the worst part, those fukin’ douchenozzles over at the MCC get to lord this over us.
I know my calculus. It says me plus you equals us.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Baseball fans, sluts & pool halls.
/class over
The Magic is inside all of us.
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Is Charlie Sheen the instructor?
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Mmmmmm. Gummy coke bottles.
"Bengie Molina - the quintessential double play possibility." - Jon MIller
I bought a 4 ounce can of “Nutter Butter Bites”
Somehow, this is supposed to be 4 servings.
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"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
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something like that
a serving weighs in at 10 cookies/140 calories in one ounce
That’s impressive caloric density.
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this team is awesome
Certainly the most fun I’ve ever had following a team over the course of a season.
PS – just found out that ‘Z’ works on my android phone. Fucking awesome.
That’s what I’m using right now. It’s awesome.
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Are you on the full site?
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by oldjacket on Sep 29, 2010 12:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Plus it won’t adjust to screen width. I HAVE to slide out the keyboard and read it horizontally.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Sep 29, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Kevin Ool Vito Chiaravalloti Elvys Quezada Casey Spanish Lagatila Reynolds Von David Stertzbach Thaddous McBurrows Atlee Johnson Travis Denker
Those are awesome names. My favorite player name is Bruddah Choy Foo. Too bad he couldn’t hit.
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by achiappanza on Sep 29, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
You pray.
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by theghostofjasonellison on Sep 29, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
..
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
For a minute, I thought you were suggesting using a hammer on it.
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Is that before or after you eat and love?
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
It wasn’t really clear … /sokka watching the Ember Island Players
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
Wow.
You know, I didn’t really like that episode, but I appreciated that line.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL ATLEE
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 11:29 AM PDT reply actions
Von David Sturtzbach
Has to be made up. If real I would have drafted him too.
by and0 on Sep 29, 2010 11:31 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=stertz001von
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Sep 29, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Looking at those numbers
We’re all glad I’m not the Giants GM
by and0 on Sep 29, 2010 11:39 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I though the same thing about Kevin Ool. It’s “loo” spelled backwards! Gotta be a prank! But no, he’s real also…
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
by EliminateMe on Sep 29, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow, Dan Johnson hasn't been completely terrible
not great, but better than I expected
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
Great post
Although I think something might could be said for Burrell, too. He seems to fit perfectly in with the lucky things that have happened for this team. Just nabbed him for basically free, and he’s become one of the key ingredients in this Giants’ soup.
Giants’ soup.
Ew!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 29, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
What did Mat Latos say?
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by say hey nation on Sep 29, 2010 11:33 AM PDT reply actions
He didn’t like that Sabes improved our lineup basically.
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by NuschlerFace on Sep 29, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Not positive, but I'm pretty sure it started with...
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
by ToddCommish on Sep 29, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
We added two guys [Tejada and Ryan Ludwick, now hitting .221 with five homers in 54 games with the Padres]. We’ve been the same team all year. We haven’t just gone and grabbed guys from other teams.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Sep 29, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
ANOTHER SBN FAIL
Baseball works in funny ways," said Latos, now 0-4 with a 10.13 ERA over his past four starts. "The only way I could honestly put it is, we could be like the Giants and go and change our whole lineup, put guys with ‘San Francisco Giants’ across their jerseys. We didn’t.
“We added two guys [Tejada and Ryan Ludwick, now hitting .221 with five homers in 54 games with the Padres]. We’ve been the same team all year. We haven’t just gone and grabbed guys from other teams.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Sep 29, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
HA HA MAT! SUCK IT!
Quietly hoping Brandon Belt develops into John Olerud, circa 1993.
by AndOnTheDrums... on Sep 29, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Dear Mssr Latos...
If it doesn’t work, there’s no honor in sitting around and hoping it fixes itself. Especially if you’re a baseball team chasing October.
If “changing [their] whole lineup” is what the Giants needed to do to be competitive, and they had the resources to do so, it would have been criminally negligent on Sabean’s part not to have made changes.
I mean, I empathize with the “I wish they still sucked offensively” sentiment and all, but you don’t earn extra playoff wins just because you took a harder path to get there. There’s no NLDS bye for being “the same team all year.”
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Sep 29, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Good post Dodger Fan. Now Suck It!
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Sep 29, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Isn't that a Sporting News award?
being "the same team all year."
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?
Orioles did pretty well in that regard too.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Frankly, very well-written and well-reasoned post by DodgerFan.
Unfortunately, we don’t take kindly to his kind up here! :)
by keyser_sozey on Sep 29, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think I can take credit for 'well-reasoned.'
Claiming to have out-reasoned Latos would be like bragging because I can dunk better than a toddler. The bar isn’t that high.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Sep 29, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
His complaint doesn’t make sense. At all. He’s basically complaining about the other team being better. Good point, Mat. The better team did win more games. How about that?
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
He’s complaining about the fact that the Giants filled holes in their lineup as they showed up [via injuries to various players]. WTF? Does he just expect us to play without a left fielder?
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They improved their team and are better than us! WAAAAHHH!
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Exactly!
It's better to be lucky than good.
by Myemail21479 on Sep 29, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
The funniest part is
…that the two biggest additions that improved the lineup were minor-league call ups.
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
I've always thought, in a sort of abstracted, offhand way . . .
. . . about how the game would work if trading were not allowed. A flat-out released player would be a free agent, but no one else, right from entering pro ball. This is just idle fantasy, because it would be hell for the players (as once it was), but it makes for interesting musings. (Note that it’s not just a matter of the plantation owning the slaves: trading is just flat-out not allowed: you have him, you keep him or release him.)
How many players with nontrivial careers retire having played for only one team?
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
What a whiny baby. And he’s only 22! He’s got a lot of whining left to do.
by and0 on Sep 29, 2010 11:41 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
And they haven’t been the same team all year. The first 2/3 rds of the season they were lucky and now they’re not.
Don’t bitch because your 2 pickups sucked compared to the Giants pickups.
by and0 on Sep 29, 2010 11:49 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Wow, that’s a lot of piss-poor whining. First of all, the Giants added Burrell (yay!) and Guillen (boo!). Outside of that, who? Javy Lopez? Cody Ross I guess but he’s not exactly integral to the Giants’ success. Fontenot but again, bit piece. Guillen hasn’t made the team better, while Burrell has. The others are role players.
And sorry our pick-ups have been better than your pick-ups.
I always felt there was some reason I disliked Mat Latos unrelated to him beating the Giants. Now he’s firmed it up for me. Proceed to suck it Mat. And you know what else hasn’t helped the Padres? You sucking ass the last four starts.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
WE ADDED BUSTER AND BUMGARNER!!!!
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"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
by jponry on Sep 29, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Clearly, I did not mean to leave them out, but no way Latos could be upset that the Giants promoted from within their system, right? That’d just be dumb.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I could get behind this.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it needs to be different form SIRM
Like BMML (Bite Me Mat Latos)
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I like it.
You can pronounce it, too. Rhymes with “Beimel”
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by troymccluresf on Sep 29, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Whatever it is, it needs to have an extra "S" embedded ...
for syphilitic
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
Giants are renowned cheaters
In the spirit of fair play, the Giants should’ve “danced with who brung ’em”.
It was ethically wrong for the Giants to have violated that well-known, time-honored agreement between major league ballclubs that limits the number of transactions per season. It was the worst kind of chicanery and fraud and skulduggery to have replaced LONG-TIME, LOYAL Giants like:
- Waldis Joaquin
- John Bowker
- Brandon Medders
- Matt Downs
- Todd Wellemeyer
- Joe Martinez
- Mark DeRosa
- Bengie Molina
- Denny Bautista
With CRAVEN MERCENARIES like:
- Buster Posey
- Pat Burrell
- Madison Bumgarner
- Chris Ray
- Ramon Ramirez
- Javier Lopez
- Mike Fontenot
- Cody Ross
- Jose Guillen
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?
by tobias on Sep 29, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well when the Giants DFA’d Matt Downs it made me sad. He could’ve been useful.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
I liked Downs too
Didn’t like seeing Bowker or Lewis go either (forgot to put Lewis on the above list). Fontenot has essentially replaced Downs, and I’d say has been a marginal improvement. Less SLG and OPS, but better OBP. I don’t know…it’s debatable, I suppose.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?
Oh I like the Fontenot deal very much and it’s seeming to be a huge deal with Sanchez hurt. I just thought DFAing Downs for Guillen was stupid (I actually can’t remember if it was for Guillen but I’m sure it was). If you’re going to DFA someone why not Hinshaw? Shows how much the org doesn’t trust him if they didn’t call him up when they were in desperate need for a lefty. They trust J. Sanchez as a LOOGY more than they do Hinshaw.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
I just thought DFAing Downs for Guillen was stupid
Should have been FBAL that was removed from the 40 man.
Adopted Son: !Matt Downs I'll miss you my son.
Downs has a lot more power than Fontenot.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
/is not actually sure that’s true, but it seems true, dammit
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
It's true
Career minor league SLG
Downs: .478
Fntenot: .437
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
Fontenot strikes me better at pretty much everything else
I liked Downs though
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Rec’d for the tone. Did you major in Snark?
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"Craven" is dreadfully underutilized in our society today
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?
And boy does it look awful.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
But!
Awful in 3-D.
Zomg.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 29, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
we could be like the Giants and go and change our whole lineup, put guys with ‘San Francisco Giants’ across their jerseys.
But the jerseys don’t say “San Francisco Giants” on them! Please pay closer attention.
Anyway, I’m willing to let pretty much any comment slide at this time of year. Seeing some things start to slip at the very end of the long season has to be beyond frustrating. If someone said something a bit stupid with a mic in their face at a time like that, I can’t bring myself to hold it against him.
by Seasick fish on Sep 29, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s a good point. The whole Padres team is probably pretty frustrated right now.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Dear Mat, that's not what they say:
You’re wrong. Suck it.
by speckops on Sep 29, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I often say things after circumstances take a turn for the worse, especially if my mistakes contributed to it. They are usually not thought through, and I wouldn’t want anyone to look at them too deeply.
I will extend Mat Latos this courtesy. I wouldn’t want to be in his shoes right now.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
by Ott on Sep 29, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I might normally feel this way, but as someone else said, I just always hated Latos for some reason beyond his success. He just gives off a douchey vibe — kind of a Jeff Weaver meets Kevin Brown thing. There was the thing with Flem’s car, and the Randy Messengeresque hat wearing style. Douchey is as douchey does.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Sep 29, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus there was that article about how he was a douche last year, but Heath Bell sat him down and now he’s a totally cool person!
No. I’m not buying it. That’s not how shit works.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
Ah. Well, sports fans are certainly permitted their emotions, and I don’t fight it. I never got the deep rooted hatred of a number of other popular scapegoats around here, either. I’ll just chalk this one up to the “well, they have their reasons” category.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
This statement was obviously a result of the syphilis.
by Every6thDay on Sep 29, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
He's right!
It’s not fair to improve your team in the middle of a season! If you don’t do it during the offseason it doesn’t count!
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Mat Latos hasn’t been the same pitcher lately, so does that mean they haven’t really been the same team all year?
Thing A
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I’m kind of glad the Padres didn’t shut him down like I heard they would.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Oh sure, they could have gone out and got shitty players and sewn "San Diego Padres" across their jerseys...
…not this team. They collapsed all on their own.
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
I think the reality is much harder for Latos to face
On August 25th, the Padres were 27 games over .500 (76-49). If they’d simply played .500 ball since then, they’d be sitting at 92 wins with 5 games to play, and just about have a playoff spot locked up.
The Giants have played extremely well in the same time frame (18-11). But San Diego would still be three games up right now if they’d simply played 50/50 ball the last month.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
the problem with that, is they hit a ceiling, and regression began to take place. they couldnt have played .500 ball if they wanted to.
Sometimes, there’s just nothing you can do to stop a slide, esp when the baseball gods are making the calls
by giant4life83 on Sep 29, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Not just regression
…they also faced a tougher schedule (more road games, less days off) and the innings caught up with their young pitchers
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I don't necessarily buy regression (not on that sample size of games)
But I do agree with your other points, for the most part. I did take a look at their starting pitching, and I’m not sure why they are all that worn out:
Richard (27 years old) – 196 innings
Garland (31 years old) – 193 innings
Latos (22 years old) – 178 innings
LeBlanc (26 years old) – 146 innings
Correia (30 years old) – 145 innings
And for the Giants:
Cain (25 years old) – 219 innings
Lincecum (26 years old) – 205 innings
Zito (32 years old) – 196 innings
Sanchez (27 years old) – 188 innings
Bumgarner (20 years old) – 106 innings
I can see Latos being worn down, but the Giants rotation seems to be getting stronger down the stretch, with more innings pitched on average…
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
Man, should have three guys with 200 innings pitched this year. Sanchez should come close. That’s impressive. Next year, 5 guys with a legitimate shot at 200 innings each.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Thing is . . .
. . . that the consequences, I believe, more often show up the next season than at the end of the current one, except in extreme cases. Or at least that’s what I’ve read.
(I haven’t looked lately, but some years back a common topic of discussion was the tendency of many relievers to have a good-bad-good-bad sorts of seasonal patterns; many attributed it to overwork when good causing problems the next year, with underuse in the bad year allowing recovery and re-starting the cycle.)
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Looks like Latos pitched about 120 innings last year (majors & minors combined); Richard threw about 150. So those two have definitely increased their workloads significantly. The others don’t seem to have collapsed that much, they’ve kinda pitched all season like they’re Garland, LeBlanc, and Correia.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
I agree with Latos. The Phillies shouldn’t be allowed to have Roy Oswalt in the playoffs.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Sep 29, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
And the Rangers can’t use Cliff Lee.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Sep 29, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
It happened last year, but just to be safe Scott Rolen should sit out the postseason
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
Don’t forget Mark Teixeira and CC Sabathia. I mean, they shouldn’t be allowed to sign players and improve their teams either.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Sep 29, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
And actually Adrian Gonzalez wasn't developed by the Padres
So they should forfeit this season
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
we could be like the Giants and go and change our whole lineup
Actually, Mat, you couldn’t. You know how I know? Because you didn’t.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 29, 2010 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Link?
This can be interpreted a few ways. Maybe he is criticizing the Pad’s FO.
Overplayed memes:
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2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Sep 29, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s possible actually, but not how I read it. He also drops a nice jab at Tejada and Ludwick. Ludwick’s performance has surprised me honestly, while Tejada’s hasn’t, but Latos shouldn’t be calling them out like this.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think he actually said the part about Ludwick hitting .220-whatever
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Whoops, bracket fail on my part. You are right, and I am wrong.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
all the same, he said his team wasn't very good
And the worst part, those fukin’ douchenozzles over at the MCC get to lord this over us.
Tejada surprised you dishonestly, right?
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 29, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Definitely could be interpreted a couple of ways, maybe a jibe at the San Diego front office, maybe a cheap shot at the Giants. I think the latter sounds more realistic to me based on the language about the Giants jerseys and names.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I would say it is pretty clearly a swipe at the Giants…He’s frustrated and needs someone to blame instead of looking in the mirror…
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Sep 29, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
The same shit I have whined about the Yankees and others in the past.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but with the Yankees you can always point to the money. He can’t do that with the Giants. His team was outplayed and out managed.
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I don’t know… I’m still bitter about the Dodgers trading for Manny and getting into the post-season. That guy is a fucking hoople head.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Salaries
2009 37 Los Angeles Dodgers $23,854,494
2010 38 Los Angeles Dodgers $18,695,006
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Of course you’re bitter, I am too. But I don’t blame the Dodgers for doing it. And of course now I’m really happy they did because they’re all shambled up down in L.A.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
SBN FAIL
We added two guys [Tejada and Ryan Ludwick, now hitting .221 with five homers in 54 games with the Padres]. We’ve been the same team all year. We haven’t just gone and grabbed guys from other teams.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Sep 29, 2010 11:36 AM PDT reply actions
It is interesting how this team ended up where it is today.
I’m wondering what role player development / coaching might be playing. I’m sure someone has studied this. But might this help explain why players like Cain, Sanchez, Wilson, Torres have become so good? Would they have been as good on other teams?
Clearly Posey and Lincecum were expected to be top players, but maybe the organization helped them become even better?
I have no idea. Just raising the question.
I think it’s impossible to know. The Giants record of developing pitchers seems to have been good, so perhaps on some of the bullpen pieces/starters. As for Posey and hitters, their record isn’t as good there, so I’m skeptical.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
i hope this luck carries over during the offseason. Lot of good free agents. Hope we choose the right one. and not carlos pena.
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by operation carrot on Sep 29, 2010 11:43 AM PDT reply actions
I'm trying to remember our financials
But I don’t think we have close to enough money for him.
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I wish I didn’t agree with you. Same on Carl Crawford.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't crush my Carl Crawford dreams just yet
I want to make it into December believing the Giants will sign him at a good yet reasonable contract.
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My bad – I actually had a Carl Crawford on the Giants daydream this morning. God he’d look good in a Giants uniform.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
If the Giants had Crawford in LF, and the 2010 Torres version 1.1 in CF, they might not need a RF
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His defense:
Foul, right?
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by hairball on Sep 29, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
They could have Prince Fielder play right. God that’d be some sweet outfield defense.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
They could have Prince Fielder play right. God that’d be some sweet outfielddefenseOffense.
Fixed
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Exaggeration aside, that would be the makings of a damn fine outfield. And I’d be okay with Huff in right and hopefully Belt at first.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, don’t get me all excited. But he’ll be too expensive. I actually see the Red Sox pushing pretty hard for him.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Especially since they didn't make the playoffs this year.
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Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!
by younghutch on Sep 29, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Will the Giants have enough payroll flexibility to even make offers to Werth or Crawford?
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Sep 29, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I really doubt it
Renteria is really the only pretty big contract that comes off the books that Giants aren’t likely to want back. We’re still a couple years away from shedding Rowand’s contract, and Ztio has 3 more years after this one. Huff, Burrell and Uribe will all require at least small raises, and I think a lot of the pitchers (Timmy, Matt, Wilson, Sanchez) are also due to see their salaries go up again. I think we’d already be slightly beyond this years opening day payroll if we had an opening day lineup of something like Torres-Sanchez-Huff-Posey-Burrell-Pablo-DeRosa-Uribe. Obviously I’d love a Crawford signing but at this point I’ll be really happy if they can just add some reasonably priced speed and perhaps another lefty bat to the lineup/outfield. (DeJesus trade? throw Belt out there?)
Thing A
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Not a FA
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by say hey nation on Sep 29, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
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by say hey nation on Sep 29, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Timmy signed a two-year deal this past offseason, so I think his salary will be the same next year.
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Sep 29, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Ztio has at least 3 more years after this one.
Zito has a $18M vesting club option for 2014 worth an additional $11M above the guaranteed $7M buyout.
per Cots: option vests with 200 IP in 2013 or 400 IP in 2012-13 or 600 IP 2011-13
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Oh boy.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
giants financials have never been set in stone
Neuk has always said it could expand for an impact payer, which Werth certainly is. Its not like we’re the marlins here.
What do people expect Werth to get, $15 per over 4 or so?
If the Giants can keep him to 2-3 years, I’d be game.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd be shocked if he accepted a 2-3 year deal
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
Me too, unfortunately.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
But he’s up there in years, 5 years scares me. I would so love to have him though.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Nor are we the Yankees
Here’s where we are for 2011. Already at $77 million, and that’s before arb for J. Sanchez, Torres, and a few others they may or may not keep. Plus, we’ll need to fill holes at 1B and SS. If we assume another $25 million is available, which would increase payroll by about $6 million over this year, that’s going to cut it really close. I’m highly doubtful the money is available.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
payroll would have to expand, no doubt about it
But why shouldn’t it? We’ve had a good year, attendence is up, they must be making more money. Why can’t we?
Oh, and minor quibble, but Torres isn’t arb eligible.
Cots says he is, but they could be wrong
And to answer, why can’t we? No clue, I just doubt they will.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
A deep run into the playoffs will bring mucho moola
They have up to 11 home games at an inflated price and silly overpriced memorabilia (that I’ll like buy anyway) should they do the unthinkable to bring home some serious extra revenue.
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by Scooter Ellis on Sep 29, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s split 50/50 between the two team and Joe Buck.
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Sep 29, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I still laugh about reading that guys blog about when he saw Joe Buck in Vegas.
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Sep 29, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Over/under on number of “Conan” promos on TBS during both Division Series and the ALCS: 1,000,000,000,000.5
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Man, it’d be so cool if we could give JJ Hardy the “Savvy Sabes Special” (2 years, $12 mil)
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On that same point
what would a postseason appearance do for revenue ? Is it possible the payroll could expand slightly above your projection and be offset by some of that revenue ?
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It would do a ton for revenue, at least according to the last study I read
I just don’t know if they’d actually funnel that back into the team. Hopefully they would, but I’ll believe it when I see it. And you just know it’s not going to be Werth or Crawford, it’ll be Prince on a Howard deal.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
Whoops
Just remembered he’s not a FA yet, my bad.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
Thank god for that. Although honestly, I don’t see Sabean spending that money on Fielder. He’s going to have huge demands. The Red Sox might nab him after he comes down a bit.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
On Baseball Mogul, it singlehandedly saves my franchise from going bankrupt.
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by theghostofjasonellison on Sep 29, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
pass
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by say hey nation on Sep 29, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Presumably in that scenario either Sanchez or more likely Bumgarner would be traded for a SS, perhaps Drew or Bartlett.
Oh I don't know
I’m just fucking around.
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TWSS
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by jctGamer on Sep 29, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Zito becomes the most expensive middle reliever ever
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
Carlos Zambrano
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Goos Fra BA
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by say hey nation on Sep 29, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m just saying Zambrano has ALREADY BEEN a middle reliever.
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Rosterbating during the heat of a playoff run is akin to openly discussing the women you want to have sex with while actually having sex with another woman.
by capn on Sep 29, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Nah. It’s more like thinking about where you’re going to go during your 1-year anniversary just before you go on your honeymoon. Kind of pointless and premature, but harmless.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
not at all.. like it or not these guys are the guys who got us here and they will get us where we will end up going in the playoffs. Talking about who we are dreaming of replacing them with stinks of “better-dealing”. There is a time and a place for talking about next season’s roster, but IMO, now is not that time.
I’m ok with talking about replacing Guillen anytime, anywhere.
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Sep 29, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
You mean I’m not supposed to do that?
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
The Padre fan would agree with you.
(already posted but worth repeating)
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 29, 2010 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
…so in other words, the Giants got lucky? Do the dance!
by Dave in the City on Sep 29, 2010 11:44 AM PDT reply actions
Every team needs a little luck
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"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
I’m just teasing… and besides, that starting rotation: That’s not just luck. The way they’re going now, its legit.
by Dave in the City on Sep 29, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
On the pitching side of things, the Giants
have the lowest team ERA in the MLB, but only the 3rd lowest FIP and 10th lowest xFIP. So they probably “should have” given up more runs than they have thus far.
On a related note, BP’s adjusted standings indicate that the Giants have won 4.3 more games this season than they “should have”.
I don't think you know what the word pointless means
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
I’d say a stat that tells someone how many more games they’ve won than they “should have” is pretty fucking pointless.
But that’s useful information.
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by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I disagree. Understanding that you outperformed your statistical expectation would be a good way to recognize that the team still requires work this offseason. It’s less relevant to the last five games of they year, but I think it’s a good stat to highlight after the season ends.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Whatever. Those are stats for some people, not for other people. For me, it just seems like when you actually start trying to put numbers on that kinda stuff, you’re going a little far. I’ll shut up about it, though. I just gotta be happy the team’s doin’ well, not nitpicky/whiney over little stuff like this.
that's stupid
learning about when you have been lucky is important – else you expect the luck to manifest itself again.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
You're probably right
The concept of sustainability is completely useless.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
Why do you think that . . .
. . . “when you actually start trying to put numbers on that kinda stuff, you’re going a little far”? Do you have a good grasp on the theory and practice of putting numbers on it? It’s not voodoo, nor yet arbitrary opinion: there are sound, demonstrable bases for the methods. You might want to read Tom Tango’s opus, The Book, to get some education in the topic.
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You honestly don’t don’t believe this, do you? You can’t put numbers on this stuff, because you have no way to tell what would have happened if anything happened differently. I have no problems with people wanting to speculate over stuff like this, “if Uribe made that play, Cain would have pitched a no hitter,” or “if they were playing in another stadium, that would have been a homer,” but you can’t actually try to put some kind of statistic on frickin’ speculation.
You can’t know how many games the Giants “should have won, but lost,” just like you can’t know how many games the Giants “should have lost, but won.” The chips fell the way the did, and that’s the only thing we actually know.
I know, I know, I said I wouldn’t post again, but…
He’s not trying to tell what would have happened. It’s all about predicting future performance. And no, it will never be exact, but it’s the most accurate methods that we have available to us.
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Fixed it for you
Speculation about the future, based on speculation aboutdata describing performance in the past.
It actually is accurate.
Let's keep to basics.
If you toss a coin a hundred times, you can say with confidence that the “normal” or “expected” or “reasonable” number of heads to turn up is 50. That does not mean that you either a) dismiss the possibility that any other number is possible, or b) assert that whatever number did come up is all that matters “because you have no way to tell what would have happened if anything happened differently.”
Probability is a very tricky topic, both mathematically and philosophically. But most of us have a decent common-sense intuition about it, and we understand what is meant when someone says “a tossed coin comes up heads half the time”: not that it literally and exactly always does, but that that is the norm of its behavior, the average, the centrum around which—and this is important, too—all real results scatter in a way that is itself similarly predictable.
As we move away from models as simple as a tossed coin, things get more complex. But the math that describes them is, and has been for a very long time, well understood. The formula that “predicts” how many runs a team will score based on various line stats (hits, walks, total bases are the essentials, but factoring in others increases accuracy) “predicts” in the same sense as the remark about coins and heads: it calculates the normal, average result of a given stat line. It’s a bit trickier than a coin, not just mathematically but because it is, in effect, dealing with a “coin” that is not flat, smooth, round, and well-balanced, but with a coin of a bizarre shape and density—a shape and density that can only be established by working backwards, that is, calculating from historical results. But we have many decades’ worth of historical baseball results.
I said “the formula”; but there are, in fact, several competing formulae. They all give highly similar results, which is what we demand and expect of a science, and differ, really, only in the exact weighting they give to the significances of the various events that participate in run-scoring.
(And the same is true of games won from a given set of runs scored and allowed.)
The average accuracy, over more than a half century of multi-team seasons, of the better formulae is well under 3%, which is getting close to the theoretical limit of possible accuracy inherent in the circumstances.
So, when we speak of what a given team “should have” done given a particular set of stats, that is shorthand for “given a large number of teams having seasons with exactly those stats, the average number of runs (or wins, or whatever) would be”; and that is said with the understanding that smll differences are likely, medium-sized differences are unusual luck, and big differences represent a lot of luck—good or bad—in the exact circumstances that generated those results.
Does that clarify or muddy the topic?
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I for one am really helped by this explanation. I’ve never understood probability or extrapolation. Then again, I’ve never really understood why is math.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
This guy, Steven Strogatz, wrote a whole series of articles in the NY Times on math for adults who don’t like math.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Frowny face.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, it seemed to be written in a strange tone. I couldn’t get past the feeling of being condescended to. Which, I suppose, I deserve, but still, not a good way to teach something.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
Martin Gardner, who died earlier this year, was very good at making math accessible and fun. My dad gave me a book of Gardner’s entitled aha! when I was a kid and I enjoyed it very much.
by non sequitur on Sep 29, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t get that feeling, but it might be because I consider myself condescension worthy. Or because I’m oblivious.
Full disclosure: I didn’t read them all
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
What they all said
As far as the rest of this season is concerned, yes, it’s pointless. But in a post about luck, and when considering the future of the team, it’s very, very relevant.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/SEA/2007.shtml
This team thought that their 88 wins were legit, and chose to play for the pennant the next year, trading the farm for Erik Bedard. If they had looked at how many wins they SHOULD have won, they might have acted differently.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
lol xFIP
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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uhhhh
Can we please stop using FIP and xFIP with Cain in an effort to inflate his ERA or suggest that he’s not good?
His BABIP has remained steady around .250 the last two years, which I think suggest that he’s learning how to pitch to contact. I think watching his games, it’s obvious that his control has improved over the years
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Sep 29, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Retraction
I may have just been a humorless fuck when making that post. My apologies
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Sep 29, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
See the analysis upthread.
The Giants as they stand are maybe an 85-win team, maybe a hair better, depending on how much allowance one makes for all the PAs from people like Molina and Rowand. But any way you slice it, they’re not likely to be competitive in 2011 without nontrivial upgrades.
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Even an 85 win team leaves room for a few lucky wins though, no? They could be an 85 win true-talent team and still win 90 games or so next season.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
they could
how many times do you want to depend on that luck?
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LOL. That’s some olologic right there.
LOLologic?
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 29, 2010 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Indeed . . .
. . . but the smart money still goes on the hare, not the tortoise.
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Oh I’m not arguing against that. But to say they won’t be competitive seems a bit harsh.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
I didn't.
I said they’re not likely to be competitive in 2011 (without nontrivial upgrades). Analysts, even retired ones, deal in probabilities.
Bottom line? Enjoy it now. (Except, as my lady rightly points out, “enjoy” doesn’t seem the appropriate word—only masochists enjoy torture.)
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Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
True.
To me, it suggests—and yes, that is indefinite—an inherent capability for about 90 wins minimum. Just as a rough indicator. An expected capability in the middle 90s would be “highly competitive”. In the high 90s, it would be “the team to beat.”
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Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Oh
Well I was thinking more in terms of divisional play, an 85 win true-talent team would have the ability to get a career year, add a piece, and/or get a bit lucky and easily be “competitive.”
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
Well, that’s it exactly. An 85-win team is “competitive.” They can be expected to be “in this thing” (probably 3-4 games out of the playoffs) well into August if not September. It keeps butts in the seats, but it’s not really a sincere effort to win. It was the MO of the Cubs ownership of the 90s, though they’ve by no means patented it. It probably really is the profit-maximizing strategy but it’s hardly what the fan wishes for.
Wouldn't the second-half Giants be a good way of eliminating the Rowand and Molina (and Wellemeyer) factors?
I would think the team’s second-half expectancy would be a good starting point for a 2011 proxy
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Well, it’s still a matter of settling on what Burrell & Huff might provide (should they both return) and what kind of Pablo & Posey the Giants might get, too. And the pitching… tough to pencil in the same type of performance… though that’s what we were saying last year and this most recent offseason about this regular season, so… I don’t know…
Huff yes, Burrell no
Burrell simply returned to form once he hit San Francisco, while Huff’s season is more of aberration.
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by Giant Torture on Sep 29, 2010 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, probably.
My private scripts aren’t set up for that, so let’s get crude and use OPS as a proxy. So, I look (using baseball-reference.com) and am shocked: the pre-ASB and post-ASB OPS values are nearly identical—and it’s the 2nd half that is the lower (.727 vs. .732). Well, well, well. Who’d a thunk it?
Let’s try it as raw R/G: 2nd half, 4.20; 1st half, 4.44. What gives here?
Meanwhile, over on the pitching side:
1st half: 3.75 R/G – OPS, .694
2nd half: 3.49 R/G – OPS, .670
That, at least, makes sense.
This will take some thinking about . . . .
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Giants can't continue to win if Bochy continues to insist on playing the oldest worst slowest player he has
its some sort of disease, maybe syphilis, or leptospirosis, could be lupus. But it makes him play Bengie Molina, Aaron Rowand, Eli Whiteside, Denny Bautista, and Jose Guillen until someone puts a gun to the head of his first born son and says cut that the fuck OUT!!!
And the worst part, those fukin’ douchenozzles over at the MCC get to lord this over us.
Better than comin’ on ya. That’s just yick.
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Every time I see yick..
I think of the famous San Franciscan Yick Wo
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I refuse to run, nor will I tell dat.
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Some bad luck
Why does Thursday’s game have to be in the afternoon? I usually have a way to listen to the afternoon games, but I won’t for this one. Not only will many people miss the live airing of the game, but if the Giants are in a position to clinch on that day, there’s no chance the team could celebrate on the field since the Padres game will only be just beginning.
Day games are awesome. Day games that matter in late September? Awsomer, bordering on Awesomist.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
day games suck. our record during night games is better, unless that has changed in the last month.
by giant4life83 on Sep 29, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
What team are you on?
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry if this was brought up but...
but I like to think that the real luck came when Cain’s mother put that second “T” down on the birth certificate. Experts in onomastics claim this is why the Giants have a tough, workmanlike pitcher instead of a syphilitic, complaining jackass.
I love you Grant.
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by ResDog on Sep 29, 2010 12:04 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
+1
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
instead of a syphilitic, complaining jackass.
Seems especially prophetic with the comments upthread.
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I had assumed Grant was referring to that. Although maybe he was just very lucky.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
Or outperformed his statistical expectation.
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Luck + Maturity = 5 Friggen good Years
The last three years I watched Matt Cain and shook my head. Great stuff, durable arm, absolute shit run support. I have no idea how he managed to keep his mind when his team couldn’t plate 3 runs. Now he just seems to be tougher and meaner.
I wasn’t sure we should keep Jonathon Sanchez. He was being waived around as trade bait and there was a ton of interest. But the Giants were patient and the guy has a marvelous arm and really nasty stuff. Plus he is effectively wild.
Now if Madison Bumgarner can mature a little these next two years he’ll be a stalwart addition to a staff that is already pretty damn good.
Mark my words, Barry Zito will be the #5 in the rotation next year. Too bad but he is what the Giants failed to see. He simply is not tough mentally. Go play your guitar Barry and collect your 18M.
Now we come to Mr. Lincecum. Enough said.
Next year we will have 3 #1’s a solid 3 and a guitar player. Hopefully injuries stay away and we have a chance to have pitching like Atlanta had 10 years ago.
Keep it up Giants. I have been waiting for ever for this type of club to come along.
by Longtimewaiting on Sep 29, 2010 12:10 PM PDT reply actions
No way Zito moves down to #5
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t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Zito is actually a good pitcher
to put between Lincecum and Cain…
A LHP with a good curveball/okay fastball between two RHP hardthrowers.
Why is that better?
Other than a 5th starter who might occasionally get his turn skipped, all the pitchers who stay healthy are going to end up with about 32-33 starts. Why does it matter if the #2 guy is more skilled than #4 or vice versa?
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
I feel the same way (to an extent) about the lineups. Moving the pitcher’s spot to 8th = getting the pitcher’s spot up more often, and getting the leadoff-like player in the 9 hole the least ABs of anyone.
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by troymccluresf on Sep 29, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Two mints in one.
1. I do think that the “two different looks” helps. Much of batting is timing, and unless the starter is knocked out early, he is the pitcher to whom the opposing lineup tends to adjust their batting timing. The effect may be small, but in a 162-game season, doing all the little things right can add up to an extra win or three. In any event, there is no cost for doing it in alternating style.
2. Though it seems counter-intuitive, work by Tom Tango and others has pretty well established that moving the pitcher into #8 actually does produce a net gain in expected runs, albeit a very tiny one—but see the remark above about “tiny” effects.
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Much of batting is timing, and unless the starter is knocked out early, he is the pitcher to whom the opposing lineup tends to adjust their batting timing. The effect may be small, but in a 162-game season, doing all the little things right can add up to an extra win or three.
Could this not be tested by looking at bringing in relief pitchers with very different repertoires and comparing them to relievers with the same repertoire as the starting pitcher for that game? Obviously sample size issues might be present, but I imagine if there’s an effect it should be seen.
right now
Cain, Sanchez and Bumgarner are better pitchers. Period.
by Longtimewaiting on Sep 29, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
End of story.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
As if "Number this" or "Number that" meant much.
Each takes his turn, each pitches.
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Especially if each one is going to pitch the same number of starts each year.
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True, but . . .
. . . the difference is most often the occasional game pitched by a temporary starter rung in when a regular is unavailable for some reason. I do, though, seem to recall some studies of typical usage that suggest that the “#5” man gets—on average—nontrivially fewer starts than the “Big 4” for the average team, being passed over when days off allow it (which, I guess, makes sense). So that role, unlike the others, may—depending on staff makeup—matter.
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“The last three years I watched Matt Cain and shook my head. Great stuff, durable arm, absolute shit run support. I have no idea how he managed to keep his mind when his team couldn’t plate 3 runs. Now he just seems to be tougher and meaner.”
Reading this makes me feel all warm and squishy inside.
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by Josh from Hollywood on Sep 29, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Zito as a 5th starter would be a great move. The increased run support from being paired against opponents’ 5th starters could give him a massively inflated W-L record. Maybe it could even lure a statistically averse front office to trade for him & his massively inflated contract… I mean, a fan can dream, right?
I don’t really think 5th starters meet up against each other all that often. It’s not like every team has the same off days, and even if they did, injuries and such would throw the rotations out of whack. I guess it’s possible that they meet more often than would be expected by chance, but I doubt it’s much more.
To add to Grant's list
1) Sergio Romo
2) Pat Burrell
3) Freddy Sanchez (all be it one year later)
4) Mike/Grant Fontenot
5) Javier Lopez/Ramon Ramirez
You can argue luck or skill but you have to give some credit for Sabean for the moves…
If you don't give him credit,
…I’ll give him extra credit, so there
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I’ll give some credit for all of those, with the caveat that I still think Mole was unnecessary and too expensive. And I’m still not that high on Lopez/Ramirez going forward.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's a fun fact
From wikipedia: “As of July 13, 2007, Sabean owns the ninth-highest winning percentage (.544, 927–777) among all general managers since 1950.”
I’m actually fascinated that Sabes can apparently make so many bad decisions but enjoy so much success. People will likely post all the reasons why he is not really responsible for this record and that he has succeeded in spite of his bad decisions, but thems the facts (they need updating). And I guarantee you that his boss is happy with his performance.
I’m not in the pro Sabean camp but I do find his success interesting given the level of criticism he gets.
Plus, it’s fun pushing the Sabean button around here once in a while.
This was predictable.
It’s not an outlier. An outlier would be a year that we won 150 games or something like that.
This would be the case where you don’t feel he deserves credit for the record since BLB was on the team. Consider:
- I think he was VP of player eval when Bonds was signed (I could be wrong)
- the previous GM had a horrible record even with Bonds
- there are many cases in sports where a GM had a superstar yet failed to win.
This is the Phil Jackson debate…is he a great coach or was it all MJ, Shaq, and Kobe?
I don’t think it’s fair to completely disregard his record because of Bonds.
Also need to see
2006-2008 when BLB was still BLB but the rest of the team sucked…
Baseball is the ultimate team sport…one player can be great but can only affect the game so much
I agree with this. The Giants seem to be on the face of it, a much more “team first” organization than most. It’s one of things I really like about the organization.
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I am not disregarding his record because of Bonds
but Bonds does factor into the discussion. Breaking it down into simple statistics, the best player in baseball over a ten year period will have an impact on a teams W/L record.
Along with the theme of Grants post, luck applies to Sabean’s tenure with the Giants.. The trade of Williams to the Indians for Jose Vizcaino, Joe Roa, Julián Tavárez and Jeff Kent certainly had a luck factor to it.
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Jason Schmidt was a steal
The White Flag trade was interesting
Matt Morris trade (corrected the Matt Morris signing)
JT Snow
Darryl Hamilton
Joe Carter
Ellis Burks…
I’m wondering what role Sabean had in bringing Bonds to the Giants. I’m pretty sure he was in charge of personnel at that time. Anyone know his role at the time and his involvement with the Bonds decision?
Because if he was involved in any meaningful way, then there is less of a reason to penalize him for having Bonds on the team.
I think the Bonds issue is difficult. He wasn’t going back to the Pirates once he hit FA and I think a part of him always wanted to play for the Giants because of his dad and Willie but I don’t know if Sabean had a big role in pursuing him. But I’m inclined to think that if the Giants offered Bonds a contract it would have come down to money.
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t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Bonds joined the team (1993) before Sabean got the job (1996).
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by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he was VP of personnel at the time though and therefore should have been in the thick of the decision making. Not sure about the exact dates of his tenure in this role though.
Yeah, I guess he was around with the team in 1993 after all.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Bonds averaged about 8 WAR per season during the Sabean era. So even if you replace him with a very good left fielder, the team’s going to win 4 fewer games per season. That adds up. You can kiss the ’97 and ’02 playoffs goodbye, for instance.
I wonder where he would rank if you made this adjustment? I’d assume he would still rank quite high (I’m too lazy to calculate). Maybe he drops to 10th or 11th?
Again, not arguing for or against Sabean, I’m more interested in looking at it objectively than pushing a POV
Again, not arguing for or against Sabean, I’m more interested in looking at it objectively than pushing a POV
As am I, and I posted a short snarky reply. Apologies.
My post was not made to disparage Sabean as GM. I just think that BLB does factor in to the equation and I was too lazy to look up the evidence.
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No prob. I do that a lot myself.
Agree that being a GM is easier when you have Bonds. But what’s interesting is that the previous GM (aside from the 103 win year) had horrible success even though Bond’s WAR was at similar levels to his peak years at that time. More evidence that a player like Bonds doesn’t equate to automatic success.
But if you play that game
You could also assume that the team would not have taken the “build around Bonds” road that Magowan favoried. Perhaps instead, they would have signed other players like Vlad, not punted on the draft picks and built a team that could have sustained success rather than going over a cliff with Bonds
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you can control for that
By looking at post-bonds Sabes, who thusfar has a record of good drafting, building the minors, and improving the big league product.
Javier Lopez is a good luck-or-skill question. When he was acquired, he looked like a pure ERA fluke, but with the Giants he has great K:W numbers and has remained a ground-ball demon. Did Sabean get lucky or did the Giants’ scouts see something special in him?
I think the team knows good pitching when they see it
There’s just too much evidnce of their ability to evaluate talent at every level of the organization. Just yesterday, the lady who sold me my beer and Polish dog told me drafting Wheeler was her call.
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This entire season has reminded me of “Major League.” The Giants are made up of a bunch of washed up has beens and some random guys who came out of nowhere, yet they still manage to win games
Who's Ricky Vaughn?
Wilson?
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
Torres is definitely Willy Mays Hayes
I guess Huff would be Cerrano?
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
I think Uribe could be Cerrano.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
by rotorueter on Sep 29, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Sep 29, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Then who is Jake?
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t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Burrell? Or Maybe Huff
Older guys who were supposedly washed up but are having great years and are leaders of the team
Major League Roster
Roger Dorn: Sanchez
Pedro: Burrell
Willie Mays Hayes: Torres
Vaughn: Wilson
Jake Taylor: Huff
Eddie Harris: Zito
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Sep 29, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Roger Dorn could be Zito.
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Sanchez is too good defensively to be Dorn
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Well Dorn starts to pick it in the latter half of the movie though
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Sep 29, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah but Sanchez is pretty great with the glove at 2B, Dorn isn’t really that good he just starts trying harder. Doesn’t make any spectacular plays though.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
I think he was really good
But started caring more about his his stock portfolio and endorsements than his fielding until Jake got through to him
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Curiously . . .
. . . using baseball-reference.com’s “Rtot” (“Total Zone Fielding Runs”) figures for FSanchez, he looks, over his career, like a rather average fielder. I don’t much trust any fielding stats, but if he were remarkably better, one would expect at least some hint of it. They show him at -2 runs per 135-game “season” (assumed by them to be a typical number of fielding innings in a real season).
My best recollection when he came aboard was that that was his rep, too: average or a little better, but not star quality. Funny how these things go . . . .
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I’d say Huff is Dorn, because he had a terrible defensive reputation, but then played much better than expected.
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by Josh from Hollywood on Sep 29, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
But he doesn’t seem pompous like Dorn. Huff is more like Jake than anyone else.
The Magic is inside all of us.
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What if I told you Wilson is banging Huff’s wife?
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by Josh from Hollywood on Sep 29, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d say Huff is Dorn
I read this a “Huff is Dom” and thought, “poor Pat.”
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Nah
Pat the Bat, after all!
(and doesn’t he usually bat behind Huff?)
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
This is a whole paradigm I hadn’t considered. Who is the top, anyway?
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
Why do they have to pick?
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
You're taking the baseball skills to literally
Huff is much more like Jake; a guy who ended up on the team because he really didn’t have other options, is in the twilight of his career and looking for one more chance at post-season glory.
He ends up being not only one of the stars but also the inspirational leader that keeps people loose.
Put another way; Huff would totally be the guy who gets KFC when Cerrano needs to sacrifice a chicken
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Uecker
Would also be played by Duane Kuiper given his recent binge drinking
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Sep 29, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
One hit? That’s all we got? One goddamn hit?!
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Sep 29, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
/Locker Room stand up of William Horlick “Bill” Neukom with clothes being peeled off
DO NOT WANT !!
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Man, I dislike Charlie Sheen.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Have you not seen Men At Work?!?
The Magic is inside all of us.
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2 and a half men is pretty good
o_0
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by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
You don’t have to apologize to me. If you like it, good on ya.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
You’re not sorry.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, yes, but that’s mostly due to my Catholic upbringing.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
He seems like a repugnant person, but it’s hard to hate him too much, considering how much good stuff he’s been in (Major League, Wall Street, Platoon, etc).
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
The repugnant person stuff really gets to me with him for some reason. I know there are other repugnant people whose work I enjoy quite a bit, so there’s some definite selectivity going on here, but it really gets to me with him. Not as hard as, say, Mel Gibson or Tom Cruise, but harder than, say, Alex Baldwin.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
The x is right next to the c on the keyboard. Honest typo.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Not buying it.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Sep 29, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
But I love Alex Baldwin!
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I prefer that other Baldwin brother, James.
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by Josh from Hollywood on Sep 29, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, you DO know what sucks about being a Baldwin, right?
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Nothing!
THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME (for 3 days in 1995).
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Sep 29, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
What did he do/What was he accused of?
The Magic is inside all of us.
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Under personal life
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Sheen
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Oh dear.
Joe Mauer is from Minnesota. My adopted son, RHP Steve Edlefsen, is from Minnesota. Joe Mauer is very good at baseball. Call up Steve Edlefsen, Giants! Science™ is begging you.
In 1990, Sheen accidentally shot his then-fiancee, Kelly Preston, in the leg; the minor wound needed two stitches. The relationship ended shortly thereafter
WHAT?! WHAT DID I DO?!
I CAN HAZ MARK REYNOLDS?
Is that a SoA reference? If so, nice. If not, it is now.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Assuming SoA = Sons of Anarchy. I’ve seen about 20 minutes of an episode and it seemed overly dramatic for a biker show.
I CAN HAZ MARK REYNOLDS?
Soap Biker Opera
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I can see it. For me, what bothers me the most is that he keeps having children. There’d be almost no victims in his dumb antics if not for them (other than the woman dumb enough to get that close to him).
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
I wouldn’t throw in Baldwin or Cruise in the same category as Gibson. Baldwin’s political views can be over the top, and Cruise is borderline insane, but neither of them strike me as bad people.
Yeah, I wavered about putting Cruise in with Gibson, and maybe that wasn’t fair. He appears to be a psycho, but a little bit more of a cuddly psycho. Baldwin, I wasn’t putting on Gibson’s level. The original levels were 1) Gibson/Cruise, 2) Sheen, 3) Baldwin.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Mel Gibson is a creep but how in the world are the things he’s done worse than the things Sheen has done?
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
Gibson has his own domestic violence allegations.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
how in the world are the things he’s done worse than the things Sheen has done?
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
I believe he meant that Gibson has the bad political views + the the domestic violence allegations. Whereas Sheen has just the domestic violence allegations.
The Magic is inside all of us.
Proud father of the man taking your hard-earned money.
hmm… ok. I just can’t figure out how bad your political views have to be to make them worse than involving guns in your domestic disputes or physically abusing pretty much every woman you have a relationship with. Physically abusing one woman is completely inexcusable, but that doesn’t mean if you repeat that behavior its not even more unacceptable.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
Gibson is clearly anti-semetic. He recently said to his girlfriend that if she got “raped by a pack of nig*ers” she would be to blame. He allegedly referred to one of his employees as a wetback and wanted to report him to immigration authorities. And he has been accused of homophobia.
It’s his overall bigotry that bothers me, not his political views
Did you miss the recent domestic violence stuff?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
yea, but….. (/realizes any time you respond to domestic violence discussion with “yea, but….” you’re about to be wrong) …there’s been domestic violence in many of Sheen’s relationships. And obviously a gun was at least involved in one of them even if shooting her really was unintentional.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
Well, I personally never said that what Gibson has done is worse than Sheen. Sheen is a waste of air.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
really, everyone on that list probably is. I guess I’d just rank them much differently in terms of wastefulness. Something more like
1) Sheen …… big gap….. 2) Gibson ……. big gap…… 3)Baldwin/Cruise.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
This isn’t a list of who is the worst person in the world. This is a list of who puts me off the most, repugnance being a part of that. It’s not inherently fair. They’re both particularly groady dudes, and as my fairly negative reactions toward both are concerned, I happen to have a stronger reaction toward one of them.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
In retrospect, I didn’t originally think my terminology through well enough. I shouldn’t have framed it in strict repugnance terms. That was my bad.
Also in retrospect, fuck Charlie Sheen.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Why would you do that?
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought everybody was supposed to do it once.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Dammit. One more for the bucket list I suppose.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d put it right at the end. I know I was lucky to get out alive.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
However, I did mention a certain level of selectivity that wasn’t fair. So that was my good.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d be the first to admit I just like looking at him.
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
I love how he took to Timmy. When they were together it was like a rock star and his bodyguard.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
It’s got ‘ratings bonanza’ written all over it! Put it into development.
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
Get me Josh from Hollywood right now!
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Not available? Well get me a Josh-from-Hollywood type, then.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
Those worry me.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Sep 29, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
HEY EVERYONE. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THE MEANINGLESS GAME GOING ON RIGHT.
It is most glorious.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Sep 29, 2010 12:20 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
There is SOME meaning to the game
If the Dodgers win out, they avoid a losing record.
“Draft picks, schmraft picks.”
- Agent Ned
by D4P on Sep 29, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I really want schmraft to be a word now.
by Every6thDay on Sep 29, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm conflicted
I don’t want them to win, but I do want them to have an unprotected draft pick
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
Since the wins don't matter anymore in the standings
The draft pick is more important, so it’s safe to root for the non-Rockies.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Most good.
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis who is stuck in the baseball purgatory called extended spring training.
Anybody want to go to tonight's game?
My girlfriend got her employer’s four field club tickets. She and I are going, but that means I still have two tickets that I’ll offer for a couple of beers. The only catches are that you’ll be stuck sitting with us, and it’s her employer’s seats so you can’t act like a drunken lout. Takers?
If I were living the area, I’d be on that like brown on rice.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Well...If I left now I would make it time for the game
jk..wish that I could.
Adopted Son: !Matt Downs I'll miss you my son.
I just sent you a pop up message
I’ll shoot you an email as well
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
The drunken lout part disqualifies me (actually I have to pick my wife up from school).
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
The bright side of luck
Hey guys Sabean might have stumbled into more luck.
Renteria is gone next year -10M
Burrell is on a minor league contract.
Guillen is gone next year -12M
Rowand is (aw fuck) still here for two more years.
With Renteria and Guillen money, we will keep the young pitchers.
by Longtimewaiting on Sep 29, 2010 12:31 PM PDT reply actions
But the Giants paid very little of Guillen’s salary. Losing Renteria’s salary will be nice, but there are some arbitration raises due to a couple people, right?
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder if Crawford makes the roster
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Sep 29, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
BUT WHAT IF HE HITS 500/600/700 IN THE AFL AND ST!!!!!!!!!
Overplayed memes:
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2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Sep 29, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Or perhaps a lifetime . . .
. . . considering that he does not seem to have a major-league-caliber bat.
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
…. we didn’t actually pay Guillen all that money.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Sep 29, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
No the beard is demanding arbitration.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
They’ll have additional revenue from the playoffs, but I think that money usually goes straight to owner’s pockets.
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Sep 29, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Don’t get ahead of yourself! Quick, someone slap on a reverse jinx!
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
THE GIANTS WILL NEVER WIN ANOTHER GAME. THEY WONT EVEN GET A HIT. THEY SUCK, AND WE ALL SUCK FOR BELIEVING.
disclaimer: THE GIANTS SUCK
/daily ritual
by giant4life83 on Sep 29, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank you…I was worried for second.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
History Channel WIN. Talking about movement on San Andreas Fault and said that LA would be a Suburb of SF.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Sep 29, 2010 12:43 PM PDT reply actions
Good thing Giants have territorial rights.
Hmm, that would really mess up the McCourt settlement.
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
…in ten million years. And wouldn’t L.A.’s higher population make SF the suburb?
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
LA would need an actual city to make something else a suburb.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Sep 29, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
That reminds me of a (supposed) Dorothy Parker quote: “Los Angeles is 72 suburbs in search of a city.”
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
S'what I based my comment on. :)
Though it’s not hard to see where she was coming from.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Sep 29, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes. New York City.
Ever see that famous New Yorker cover image, the U.S.A. as envisioned by New Yorkers? I don’t want to hot-link, but you’ll find it here:
http://www.graphicsoptimization.com/blog/wp-includes/images/go_examples/2007_11/NewYorker1976-03-29cover.png
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
You sure that wasn’t Wes Parker?
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
That’s Fess Parker, son.
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
Thank you, you have spared me from having to recite the racist parody from my childhood.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Kentucky Statesman and militia officer or Dodger First Baseman
I got confused…..
Adopted Son: !Matt Downs I'll miss you my son.
Ask Oakland and San Jose.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I know SJ is more populous than SF, but is Oakland?
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
Oakland has roughly half SF’s population, despite being a bit bigger, area-wise.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Sep 29, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
OT: Dexter
Has anyone seen the show? I just finished the first two seasons and wanted to know if it improves. Doesn’t live up to my “Wire & Rome” standards yet.
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Sep 29, 2010 12:45 PM PDT reply actions
LOL ROME.
Dexter is arguably the best show on TV. I want to see the new season but I need to switch to Showtime first.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Sep 29, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
What’s wrong with Rome? The show was amazing.
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Sep 29, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Especially the episode where he gets in a fight with Jim Everett.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
What’s wrong with Rome?
Italians is whats wrong with Rome
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Sep 29, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Italians is whats wrong with Rome
As a genetic Italian, I take umbrage with that remark
Adopted Son: !Matt Downs I'll miss you my son.
As a genetic Italian, I know that comment to be factually true!
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Sep 29, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I loved Rome. And the Italians in it. Also, the food.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
This.
People were unfailingly nice everywhere I’ve been in Italy, with the exception of Venice.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
The Food
England Sucks.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
+1
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Sep 29, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Sep 29, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
The Jimmy Smits season not so good.
The Lithgow season (4) was great.
The opener for season 5 was terrible. Hated it.
Sucking up to Grant for a mod position since 2009
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Father Figures
I should have listened to all you folks who said the Padres performance the first 3/4 of the season was unsustainable.
First 125 games: 76-49
Last 32 games: 11-21
It won’t go down in history as the OMG EPIC COLLAPSE like the ‘64 Phillies of ’95 Angels or ’07 Mets, but, man, that’s one hell of a faceplant. If they merely played .500 ball the last month and a half, they’d probably have won the division by now.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
If they went 5-5 during the 10 game losing streak they would be 3 games up right now.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Sep 29, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
if they did not score 2.875 runs per game and give up 4.53125 runs per game, they might have improved on that 11-21 record.
Yeah but had they not drank all that unicorn urine and centaur blood
Their lineup would never score more than 2 runs a game
if they had sucked less!
they’d have sucked less
When this .sig was awaiting the Final Sabean Apocalypse, I never once in a million years suspected it would be a "good" Apocalypse. Bengie... Don't let the door hit you IN YOUR GIANT ASS on the way out!
-------
PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game totally stalled and basically dead at this point
correct
You are both right. But he won’t stay and the Giant’s would be crazy to pay him over 5M.
Where do we get a shortstop?? Good question. Maybe we keep Fontenot.
Also Giants have Graham in AAA and with a good spring we will see younger legs. Better defense.
Both Travis and Nate will need some help to make the roster next year. Ish has had a couple of years and while good defensively he just hasn’t done it with the bat (consistently). Nate may stick as a fourth outfielder. Sad! I really thought he was the real deal coming through AAA.
By the way. How many of you think Pablo gets a weight clause in his contract next year. He don’t look to much like a Panda. More like a pig in orange and black.
by Longtimewaiting on Sep 29, 2010 12:47 PM PDT reply actions
Fontenot is pretty likely to be tendered a contract
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
absolutely
and he plays shortstop a little.
by Longtimewaiting on Sep 29, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
That's probably overstating it.
Remember, even Darrell Evans played SS for a few games. That doesn’t mean that either he back then or Fontenot right now is a major-league SS.
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
But… but… scrappiness!
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 29, 2010 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions
i hope him and Ross are brought back
Maybe I’m crazy, but I wouldn’t freak out about Fontenot being the opening day SS, especially if that helped us land an impact OF
Yeah, I'd be OK with him starting
Maybe as part of a platoon
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
I can't find his platoon splits in the minors on BBRef
But he put up big numbers in AAA this year, so if he’s passable at SS I’d give him the start vs LHP
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
Fontenot has as good range as Uribe and Renteria. Plus we keep Ross. The future looks pretty damn good
by Longtimewaiting on Sep 29, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Fontenot has better range that Renteria and Uribe personally. But I may be wrong I haven’t seen him much at SS but when I’ve seen him at 3B i was happy with his range
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Nowhere near.
Arm is the chief reason Fontenot is not well suited to SS, and only marginally better for 3B. He can play each tolerably, but he’s not what you want out there day in and night out.
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
I like the idea of keeping Uribe, to play 3-4 days a week as super-utility IF (teach him 1st base too)
He always comes up with huge HRs, he’s only 30… hard to imagine where we would be without him right now. he carried the team in may, and while his WAR doesn’t reflect sitautional ABs, he is clutch, big time. Always has that big HR when we need it. Hacker, yes. But those clutch hits… he is scary late in a game if I’m on the opposing team.
His range isn’t great either, but I think he makes up for it with the big HRs. Now, whether he can hit those big HRs next year, would remain to be seen.
by giant4life83 on Sep 29, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Make it 5 days of every 6.
Also, so little of his value is in hits rate that his performance is not likely to fall off much (in fact, his 2010 BABIP is only .256 vs. a career value, including 2010 to date, of .282). His net offense is a little less than his heroics might intuitively suggest, mainly owing to his OBP, but he is still a highly useful piece.
Mind, everyone seems to keep forgetting that DeRosa is still around, and if—as expected—he is healthy for 2010 (and certainly well rested, in effect, a year younger than his age), he can be an important piece, too; but exactly how to assemble those pieces into the puzzle remains to be seen.
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Considering how fragile Freddy is I’d really like to get another player who can play SS and use Fontenot off the bench. I’d like to have Juan back again as long as we don’t have to outbid or match somebody else who wants to overpay him.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
plus even though Uribe has no range…he is still clutch.
by Longtimewaiting on Sep 29, 2010 12:50 PM PDT reply actions
Does anybody know why the Phillies played 84 home games this year?
by sfgiantsrule24 on Sep 29, 2010 12:55 PM PDT reply actions
Toronto series was moved to Philly for g-20 security issues. I know b/c I went!
Overplayed memes:
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2002 WS CANCELED
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by say hey nation on Sep 29, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Didn’t they have an away game that had to be moved because of some financial summit.
by Longtimewaiting on Sep 29, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Technically, they were the visiting team for that three-game set vs. Toronto.
But for statistical measurement purposes, obviously, they count as home games.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 29, 2010 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Needles and Greenies
Since MLB took these out of the locker room, Aaron Rowand has played like Alice Rowand. Could there be a hormone issue here?
by Longtimewaiting on Sep 29, 2010 12:56 PM PDT reply actions
I think it’s an issue of being on the wrong side of 30 and not being very good anymore
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Most likely:
He has some as-yet-undetected physixcal problem, probablt vision-related. The “off-a-cliff” failure at age 30 is an urban myth—that’s not how most real-world balllplayers decline. Something—besides just a change of ball park—seems to have hit him around the time he came to SF.
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
I am not sure why people see his performance as a decline
Or at least a decline of a once good player.
IMO, he was never very good. He is who he always was. His current home ballpark just makes that more apparent.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 29, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I posted this before, but Rowand’s OPSs in the years before and after he joined the Giants:
2005: 736
2006: 745
2008: 749
2009: 738
Yes, I’m omitting his career year in 2007, but it’s hard to get around the continuity there. He just hasn’t been that different with the Giants than he was before.
by Evan on Sep 29, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
Thank you.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 29, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
You left out 2010
The segway went over the edge this year
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
(that’s the joke)
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Half and half.
It might be closer to say that he was somewhere from good to very good (considering he was a decent center fielder), but not excellent. The real eye-opener stats are not so much his net offense in SF (which, till this year, was only mediocre), as his walks and especially his strikeouts. Look at these K rates for his career (as a full-time player—earlier PT years are left off):
2004 .172
2005 .183
2006 .172
2007 .174
-—————
2008 .206
2009 .229
2010 .208
That’s 17.6% pre-SF and and 21.5% in SF. That’s a pretty big, and obviously rather sudden, jump. (And his pre-SF is about evenly divided between two other ball parks.)
In 2010, his BABIP, normally above average (.317 career), is a low .263, which accounts for a lot of his net-offense falloff in 2010; but there is a colorable argument that that BABIP is low for good cause, and that when he does put the ball in play, he does so with significantly less authority than in seasons past.
I’d say there are two safe conclusions here: one, when he was acquired he was a fairly good-glove center fielder with a tolerable bat, not worth an awful lot, and certainly not a franchise player, but a reasonable pickup had the price tag been sane; and two, he is no longer useful, in any capacity, at the major-league level. Sell him to someone in Japan, where he can hit a zillion cheap home runs, for as much on the dollar as can be gotten, and consider it a bargain if that’s over 7 cents.
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
colorable argument
might be one of my favorite phrases yet
Sucking up to Grant for a mod position since 2009
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
It's a lawyer thingie.
I’ve always assumed it to suggest a sketch able to be colored in for a fuller presentation.
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Damn the MLB. If we still had greenies, Pablo would be thin and hitting 360. Oh well
by Longtimewaiting on Sep 29, 2010 12:58 PM PDT reply actions
I just saw the Timmy Jim ESPN "Office" commercial for the first time
Has this been around for awhile? Kind of amusing.
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
I think it first aired toward the beginning of the season.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
just youtube'd it
hilarious.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Has this been posted yet?
My favorite parts:
The Cuban Missile Crisis began the same day Willie McCovey lined out to Bobby Richardson in the bottom of the ninth inning to end the 1962 World Series. I was nine months old at the time. Fortunately for the world, the missile crisis ended more happily than the World Series did for Giants fans. But had we all been killed in nuclear Armageddon, the San Francisco Giants still would have as many world championships in my lifetime as they do now.
I didn’t realize so much pain would be involved when I began rooting for the Giants as a kid in southwest Washington, listening to the fading radio broadcasts from KFBK Sacramento at night, dutifully copying the box scores into my notebook the next day and reading the game stories a couple of evenings later in the out-of-town newspapers at the library. I should have gotten an idea of what lay ahead, however, when my team inexplicably traded Willie Mays to the Mets in 1972 for Charlie Williams. But it was too late by then. What was I going to do, start rooting for the Dodgers?
The 2002 World Series went off without incident, other than, of course, the way it ended. In Game 6 Barry Bonds hit what may have been the hardest home run in history when he drove a pitch from Frankie Rodriguez (who I still insist should not have been eligible for the postseason roster that year) over the left-field stands and down an entryway to the concession concourse. I was covering that game from the nearby auxiliary press box and went to see who got the ball. That home run put the Giants up 4-0 in the sixth and they went on to take a 5-0 lead with eight outs to go. Walking back to the press box, I smiled and thought, “The Giants are actually going to win the World Series!”
Grrrrr. Scott Spiezio hit a three-run homer in the bottom of the seventh, the Angels rallied to win 6-5 and then beat the Giants in Game 7. Why couldn’t Spiezio have hit that fly ball just three feet lower!!!
I still hold it against Spiezio for hitting that home run and I’m not alone. I interviewed pitcher and lifelong Giants fan Chris Bodishbaugh this summer when he was playing for the Golden Baseball League’s Victoria Seals. He pitched in an independent league where players earn perhaps $750 to $1,000 a month, when they get paid at all that is, and sometimes have to drive their own vans between games in Arizona and Vancouver. I asked him what pleasures such a league held and he said one was facing Spiezio (who was attempting a comeback). “I pretty much saved everything for him when he got in the box,” Bodishbaugh said. “It was fun to get him out, I’m not going to lie.” I smiled when he said that.
jim Caple is an idiot
Write thdidnt he at article on the Run being the best statistic that FJM ripped apart?
The run isn’t the best statistic but I thought FJM was a bit harsh on him. He made a good point that people piss themselves over RBI constantly, but almost never about runs to the same degree.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Hm
I suppose that’s an interesting point vis a vis RBI vs Runs, but Caple asserted taht they were both, you know, GOOD statistics, which they are not.
Well, yeah, but I don’t think he deserves to be called an out and out idiot for it.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Allow me to revise
Jim Caple does not have a firm grasp on which metrics are useful measures of individual performance in baseball.
In the scenario he presented, the following could be true.
There are 2 outs, no one on. A guy hits a single or takes a walk. The next batter hits an RBI double or Triple, the man on first scores. The next batter pops out.
In Caple’s argument, the one who hit the single or took the walk was the more valuable player than the one who hit the triple to bring him home.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
I'm just surprised you guys were able to figure out WTH I was trying to say here
Typed that on my phone, got all f’ed up.
Why couldn’t Spiezio have hit that fly ball just three feet lower!!!
Steroids
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Sep 29, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
That McCovey line out still haunts me today
I was a teen living 2,500 miles away but always liked the Giants and have hated the Yankees. Now, 40-some years later – and still here in Western New York – I am getting the Giants on my cable “Extra Innings” package and staying up until past 1 a..m. – like last night – and being tortured again…..but many times going to bed with a smile on my face. Keep going, Giants, before you finally kill me with a heart attack.
by ccthemovieman on Sep 29, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I love this team too.
Also, the part about Cain and the letter “t” may be the most awesome and truthful thing ever written.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
Prospects!
Jake Dunning ranked #20 on BA’s Northwest league top prospects and Gary Brown would’ve been between 6-10 if he had enough PA’s.
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
prospect attractiveness ot
good thing buster is found so handsome by the ladies cuz our current class of prospects are pretty unattractive
looks at brandon belt
/turns to stone
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Sep 29, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Aw, I don’t think Belt is that bad.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
.
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Sep 29, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
That has “would you like some fries with that” written all over it in pimple juice.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
I would like some fries with my Brandon Belt actually. The garlic variety.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, I think he'll grow into his looks.
There’s potential here!
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Have you ever thrown a fist full of glitter in the air?
♥ 2010 San Francisco Giants ♥
♥ McCoven ♥
Weak chin
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 29, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
As long as it's not a weak bat, who cares what he looks like
Adopted Son: !Matt Downs I'll miss you my son.
Kind of weird
I don’t like that picture of Buster.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
oh god
that look is just, um…
Have you ever thrown a fist full of glitter in the air?
♥ 2010 San Francisco Giants ♥
♥ McCoven ♥
...the concentration leading up to an o-face?
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
I gotta admit, the kid’s growing on me. I wasn’t sure he was all that handsome at first, but I’ve since changed my opinion.
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
He’s definitely handsome but really, it’s his confidence that makes him completely off-the-charts hot. That Southern, understated swagger and wise-beyond-his-years poise is irresistible.
Have you ever thrown a fist full of glitter in the air?
♥ 2010 San Francisco Giants ♥
♥ McCoven ♥
Thank you.
I take my Buster appreciation quite seriously :)
Have you ever thrown a fist full of glitter in the air?
♥ 2010 San Francisco Giants ♥
♥ McCoven ♥
He’s definitely super fucking hot.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
And let me just say that the FSU uniforms are unspeakable awesome.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I heartily agree.
Plus, he’s a catcher! The catcher is the equivalent to the drummer in the band.
Have you ever thrown a fist full of glitter in the air?
♥ 2010 San Francisco Giants ♥
♥ McCoven ♥
In my world the Catcher is the lead singer
/catchers run the game
Adopted Son: !Matt Downs I'll miss you my son.
the catcher is the hardest working one and also, behind the scenes = drummer.
The pitcher is the lead singer!
Have you ever thrown a fist full of glitter in the air?
♥ 2010 San Francisco Giants ♥
♥ McCoven ♥
Bad joke
Q. What does it mean when a drummer drools out of both sides of his mouth?
A. The stage is level.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
What do you call a drummer without a girlfriend?
Homeless.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
flock of seagulls...
pride of lions…
douche of drummers
When this .sig was awaiting the Final Sabean Apocalypse, I never once in a million years suspected it would be a "good" Apocalypse. Bengie... Don't let the door hit you IN YOUR GIANT ASS on the way out!
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game totally stalled and basically dead at this point
Hmm…that would take some growing.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
TWSS
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 29, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
he looks all right to me
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
yeah
And I think as females, we have the authority on this.
Have you ever thrown a fist full of glitter in the air?
♥ 2010 San Francisco Giants ♥
♥ McCoven ♥
lol
yep!
Have you ever thrown a fist full of glitter in the air?
♥ 2010 San Francisco Giants ♥
♥ McCoven ♥
I’ve been thinking about this. What are the possibilities of there being a 1 game playoff. How could that happen I’m kind of getting confused.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
If the Giants and padres are tied at the end of the year
1 game playoff.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, who's mind is currently elsewhere
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
So because they win the series record then we play the Braves in a playoff game?
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
You mean the Padres?
Highly unlikely the Braves tie with anyone. 2-2 they guarantee at least a playoff game.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
I’m just confused
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Then just root for the Giants to sweep Padres, and we’ll all be happy.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
NO ACTUALLY THEY TOOK ALL THEIR PLAYERS FROM OTHER TEAMS
instead of a syphilitic, complaining jackass.
What a fucking douchebag. HOW DOES SECOND TASTE, YOU SHITFACE. Get a proper name next time, ass.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, who's mind is currently elsewhere
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
by bondslegend on Sep 29, 2010 1:45 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I know he deserves all the scorn he gets just for being on the Padres (the “Chevy’s” of baseball), but was there also some particular incident that you and Grant are referring to that really brought out his syphillis/complaining/jackassedness? I wouldn’t want to have missed it.
There’s discussion of it above. And he also broke Flem’s car.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
And he was such a jackass last year that his entire team hated his guts.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Story
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Sep 29, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5460639
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
NM, found it — thanks.
http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/05/18/latos-giant-pain-but-not-to-every-bochy/
How full of shit is he
“I was trying to throw it to a fan!!” You have to throw the ball pretty fucking far for it to clear the park altogether.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
What a dick
His message to Giants fans: “You know what? You can think whatever you want. You’re not going to bother me. If you want to say I threw it 501 feet like somebody said, and I threw it over a [giant] Coke bottle [beyond the left-field seats], hey, I’ll take it. It means I threw a ball 501 feet. How many people you know who can throw a ball 501 feet? They can think whatever they want, I don’t care. I didn’t do it intentionally.”
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
This is how full:
When the ball’s out of my hand, I can’t help if the guy didn’t catch it and the ball happened to bounce.
I think he was arguing with some Giants fans during batting practice about giving them a ball and eventually he just decided to chuck it as far as he could over the bleachers (which is dangerous in and of itself – what if someone gets hit by the ball?) It ended up reaching the parking lot, somehow, and broke teh window of his car.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
God, what an asshole.
Or better yet, maybe it was the game against Douglas in Latos’ senior year when he threw at the opposing team’s third base coach. During the game, Latos believed the coach had been stealing Placencia’s signs and had been calling them out to Douglas’ batters. After one sequence when Latos believed he heard the coach tell one of his players that a changeup was coming, Latos stepped off the mound and hurled a ball that pegged the coach in the chest.
Latos sneered at the coach and said, “This is what is going to happen if you keep doing it.”
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 29, 2010 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Padres Fans
=not smart. From Gaslamp Ball
With the acquisition of Ryan Ludwick and Miguel Tejada; the injuries to Jerry Hairston Jr., Anthony Gwynn and Will Venable and the slumps of Everth Cabrera, Gwynn and Venable this team no longer seems “built for Petco Park”. This might be why it feels like I’m watching a team from a few seasons ago. 619Sports.net was the first to question whether the Padres were slowing down due to acquisitions and injuries, thereby taking away what made them so successful in the first half. Bob Scanlan echoed these thoughts last night on the PostGame show saying that the Padres have become a team that depends on a big hit to score, instead of manufacturing runs. We’ve seen over the last 30 innings or so that sometimes you have to wait a long time for a big hit.
jesus christ, bunt-master….
by PocketfullofPoseys on Sep 29, 2010 1:46 PM PDT reply actions
wait...
Michael Tucker was drafted as a SS?
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis who is stuck in the baseball purgatory called extended spring training.
That double play was something nobody ever does
First and second, nobody out.
Grounder to 2nd, Gonzalez fumbles the exchange after ump alreadycalled the force on Bonifacio, Cousins tries to score from 2nd, thrown out easily at home, instead of first and 3rd, 1 out, it’s 1st, 2 out.
Did anyone see this si article
but Jose Uribe and waiver claims Cody Ross and Jose Guillen, the team’s new center and right fielders, make too many outs (combined on-base percentage in September: .301). In addition, third baseman Pedro Sandoval is following an August in which his bat finally showed some life by hitting just .192/.259/.250 in September.
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Sep 29, 2010 1:55 PM PDT reply actions
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Sep 29, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Does Jose play on the same team as Pedro?
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Sep 29, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Don’t you mean David Ross and Carlos Guillen?
by non sequitur on Sep 29, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Errors galore
I can’t believe they screwed up Juan Guillen and Cary Ross’s names.
i wonder if pedro sandoval is some sort of inside joke by sports writers. i remember espn doing this alot too
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Sep 29, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Pedro is a better hitter than Pablo.
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Sep 29, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I never really hated the Dbacks. Maybe because I was pulling for them to win the 2001 WS and they actually did.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
I did
I mean, if I’m being honest, my NL West dislike goes like:
1) Dodgers
….
2) Rockies
3) D-Backs
4) Padres
Ie, if the GIants don’t win the division, I’d much rather see the Padres do so.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
I hate the Dodgers
But I hate Rockies Fans more than Dodgers fans. Does that even make sense?
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
I honestly have more hatred for the Padres fan base than any other non-east coast one.
The Padres are like my appendix, useless, except occasionally they’re annoying.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
Your appendix harbors and protects bacteria that are beneficial in the function of the human colon.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
It was nice knowing you…
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s a theory about why the appendix still exists…
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
well, even if it were useless, unless non-appendixed people were selected for reproduction over appendixed, it would still exist.
Sucking up to Grant for a mod position since 2009
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
If it were useless and also potentially deadly it would be selected against. The theory is that it is not useless, but instead is useful enough to offset the negative survival value of the occasional burst appendix.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
that's sounds like tinges of intelligent design polluting evolutionary theory
that only works if appendix bursting happens prior to sexual maturity.
Having or not having an appendix is unlikely to matter much to your chances of reproduction.
Sucking up to Grant for a mod position since 2009
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Who said appendices only burst in adults?
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
no one
but in order to affect whether or not they get selected out, then they would have to start killing off many more people before they had a chance to make little copies of themselves.
Otherwise, it doesn’t matter how “useful” or “not useful” it is. It’s coming along cause no one is saying, I don’t want to fuck her cause she looks like our baby might come out with an appendix.
Sucking up to Grant for a mod position since 2009
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
OK, so if your appendix bursts as a child it reduces your reproductive efficiency, no? Since you’re dead?
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
yes
isn’t that what I said?
Sucking up to Grant for a mod position since 2009
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Not sure any more… we may be vociferously agreeing.
The point is that if you have an organ which carries with it a risk of death there must be some benefit to it or it would have been selected out by now. The latest is that it helps with colon function and so is not, in fact, useless.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
That's a common misapprehension.
It is now pretty generally accepted, I believe, that in evolutionary terms what happens to people after child-producing age is still important to survival on the species level, owing to various important functions they perform, ranging from storing accumulated knowledge to assisting with child-rearing. Thus, a characteristic that causes harm even in middle or late age would tend to have a net survival-lowering effect on the species—by affecting the survival chances of children and especially grandchildren—and eventually be selected out (though, I suppose, more slowly than one with a more direct effect).
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
You haven’t seen my scar that is sure to reduce my chances.
I had a nightmare week long ordeal that involved 2 sessions under the knife, a doctor opening me up in my hospital room in front of my wife, the entire side of my body infected and red, daily convulsions from antibiotics with the nurse saying “that just means it’s working”. Worst week of my life and there isn’t a close 2nd.
My appendix can go fuck itself.
Sounds like it already did.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 29, 2010 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions
The Padres also harbor microorganisms; however, so far David Eckstein has not been found to be beneficial to anyone.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
by EliminateMe on Sep 29, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
/World Series MVP’d
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 29, 2010 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah the human colon isn't very helpful either
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
No.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
For me it's like this
1-Dodgers
2-Rockies
3-Padres
4-DBacks
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
more like
1) Dodgers
big gap
2) any NL west team beating the giants
3) any NL west team with a better record than the giants.
4) Rockies
When this .sig was awaiting the Final Sabean Apocalypse, I never once in a million years suspected it would be a "good" Apocalypse. Bengie... Don't let the door hit you IN YOUR GIANT ASS on the way out!
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game totally stalled and basically dead at this point
San Francisco can be kind of uppity, it is true. Also, I could go for some good San Francisco Chinese food. There is none out on the frontier.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Who's going to tonight's game?
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
I am
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
nice - where are you sitting?
I might be joining some friends.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
325, row 16
I’ll be the Asian dude with wife and daughter
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Yo.
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis who is stuck in the baseball purgatory called extended spring training.
Me
Not sure where my ticket is but I’ll be in 327 with my roommates. I’ll be the guy yelling obscenities at anyone who tries to start the wave (again).
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Sep 29, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
In 108? We’re in row N 3,4 say high if nearby.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Yeah, but where are you…oh, really—you’re sitting in a meme?
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Wow!
Awesome seats. I’m jealous.
Have a great time tonight!
Have you ever thrown a fist full of glitter in the air?
♥ 2010 San Francisco Giants ♥
♥ McCoven ♥
AZNS!
Hitoshi Tamura, an outfield fixture in Japan for more than a decade, is exploring a move to Major League Baseball as a free agent this winter, a baseball source told ESPN.com.
Tamura, 33, was a Pacific League All-Star this season for the Fukuoka Softbank Hawks. He leads the team with a .324 batting average, .924 OPS, 27 home runs and 89 RBIs.
Tamura had been plagued by injuries since his debut season with the Yokohama BayStars in 1997 but managed to stay healthy this year and make his first career All-Star team.
The source said Tamura is open to talking with all 30 clubs but would prefer signing with a major league team on the West Coast. According to reports, the Arizona Diamondbacks, Texas Rangers, San Francisco Giants, San Diego Padres and Cleveland Indians are among the big league clubs that have scouted Tamura.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
It always bothered me
the Dodgers had a much better Asian scouting department…
Bums: Nomo, Park, Saito, Kuo
Giants: Shinjo
Don't forget Geno Espineli!
Big Asian fan draw!
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
I almost did forget about Travis.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Sep 29, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Don’t forget Chin Feng Chen
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Long long swing
Never heard of him.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
He was supposed be the first big AZN hitter
He’s from Taiwan and had good numbers in the Olympics…
Career Minor League Slash: .288/.369/.509 w/146 homers in 7 seasons
Never made the transition as a MLBer…went back to Taiwan to play
I think he’s saying he’s never heard of the player Long Long Swing
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
This'd be cool
Plus his fucking name is HIToshi. How can we lose? We need a right fielder, let’s do this thing.
Knowing nothing else about him, I can safely say that a mere 27 homers in Japan means he won’t be good, and the fact that for more than a decade he’s been too injured to make a single All-Star team is also not a good sign.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
I am wary of Japanese League power because I have never seen it translate to the majors
For example: http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/m/hideki-matsui.shtml
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
OT: Just found out the gym that my boss pays for charges a $650 initiation fee..
Which they are graciously waiving for new members…join now!
Thank you, double agent
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
by Gobroks on Sep 29, 2010 2:31 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Another thought on luck:
Buster Posey was hands down the best collegiate player the year he was drafted, winning the Golden Spikes award. He was a consensus top three pick. But since he chose the one and only Scott Boras as his agent, teams were worried about their ability to sign him, allowing him to fall just a bit to the Giants with the 5th. Thank you, Scott Boras.
"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug
Therefore: Thank Fuck you, Scott Boras
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Sep 29, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ahh, in that case
This. Very much this.
"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug
I don’t think he’s a Scott Boras client I just knew his demands were high. He wanted a big bonus and some teams didn’t want to pay that much which was why he dropped to us.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Hey guys what time should I be leaving Petaluma for the Giants game? we usually take the larkspur ferry, but the tickets are last minute so we’re gonna end up having to drive… I’m thinking like 5pm for the 7:15 start?
No, I think earlier if you can. The 101 will back up in Mill Valley through the GG bridge at that time. Plus, the Embarcadero will be tough, as well.
If you plan on parking, walking up to the stadium, getting food/drinks, and making it to your seat by 7pm for the anthem I would leave well before 5p.
Have you ever thrown a fist full of glitter in the air?
♥ 2010 San Francisco Giants ♥
♥ McCoven ♥
I’d avoid the Embarcadero, personally.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
+1
Driving up the Embarcadero before a game is miserable.
Jeaaaggaahh
by Soulbrother16 on Sep 29, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Honestly, I’d take Park Presidio to the Sunset and take the N Judah in.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Sep 29, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Now
Get there early, enjoy BP and avoid the traffic.
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis who is stuck in the baseball purgatory called extended spring training.
+1
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
If you get there around 5:30-5:45 there is almost always street parking on Howard (a few blocks from the park) and the meters stop at 6, so few quarters will get you parking for the whole game. Sure, going in early is cool, but I usually go by Primo Patio (caribbean food) or the South Beach Cafe (actual pizza) and eat something so I don’t spend money on ballpark food. Then a stop at the pier behind center field for attitude adjustment and I’m ready for the game.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I always park on Bryant. Same deal w/ parking.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
alright cool thanks guys&gals, ive actually made it to the stadium in 45min before (from petaluma) which was super, super wierd. I’m waiting for my gf to get to my place here and we’re gonna take off within the next half hour.
I want to catch some BP and hopefully say hi to my fav Giant- Andres.
by giant4life83 on Sep 29, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
You’re coming in during rush hour though, makes a huge difference.
Jeaaaggaahh
by Soulbrother16 on Sep 29, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s too late already, send me your tickets….
Anyway, I’d leave soon and have a relaxing drink outside the park, rush hour traffic in a hurry sucks.
someone was offering free club level tickets to tonights game upthread. check it out
by giant4life83 on Sep 29, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Andrew Miller is fucking terrible
What happened to that guy?
IIR, he was one of the “drafted ahead of Timmy” guys.
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
He was awesome in college
I watched him pitch against a stacked Alabama team in the Super Regional that year and was blown away. He had a teammate that was also a starting pitcher go early in the draft too.
I'm resigned to ATL win the WC with the Fishes and Phillies giving up for the regular season
Giants just need to have a better record than the Reds
I really dislike “fishes” as a plural form of “fish”.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
/fishes for dictionary
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I believe it’s an accepted form. I just really hate it. It’s like saying “I hope the cowses produce a lot of milk this year.”
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions
milkses
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
FISHEROONIES!!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 29, 2010 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions
FISH. THEY ARE GOD DAMNED FISH. HOW MANY FISH DID YOU SEE AT THE AQUARIUM? I SAW A LOT OF MOTHERFUCKING GOD DAMNED FISH GOD DAMN IT.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions
All the fishes in the sea agree.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions
It has, to some, a different sense than "fish".
Curiously, just what that diference be seems hard to determine: the leading authorities (and not a few secondary ones) do not discuss the matter, nor do at least the AHD and the OED, merely noting the fact of the two forms both existing.
But, in the Wikipedia article on “fish”, we find the statement—
Fish is used either as singular noun or to describe a group of specimens from a single species. Fishes describes a group of different species.Likewise, the New World Encyclopedia states—
Although both plural forms are acceptable, a common preference among biologists is to use the term fishes when speaking about two or more kinds of fish (species), and the term fish when referring to two or more individual fish organisms.Other, less authoritative sources around the web seem to concur.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
I don’t think this will sway Howie.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Not unless you want me to start talking about two or more individual cow organisms as cowses.
Like I said, I get that it’s an accepted form. I also respect the fact that it has some limited utility among biologists. But that doesn’t make it sound less awful to my ear. Also: would somebody please think of the cows?
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s what I remember being taught back when we were kidses.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
by EliminateMe on Sep 29, 2010 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The difference is evident
Between a manager playing out the string and an interim manager fighting for consideration for a full time job.
we only have like a 6% chance of winning the Wild Card!!!!
Lucky PECOTA PS Odds has our chance of winning the division at like 82%.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
The thing is though
We’re probably going to have to play them at some point, and we might have a better shot in a 5 gamer than in a 7
I disagree
Blanton, plus you get the chance that the Phillies lose in the NLDS.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
give someone else a chance to knock the phillies out first.
on the other hand, seven games is a lot longer than 5- if we take them by surprise in the first 2 with outstanding timmeh and cain, they may not recover fast enough to come back and take the final 3
by giant4life83 on Sep 29, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Lineup
2B – Velez
SS – Renteria
1B – Ishikawa
RF – Guillen
CF – Rowand
3B – Rohlinger
C – Whiteside
LF – Ford
P – Lincecum
lol you
Sucking up to Grant for a mod position since 2009
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
I’m hoping the Padres get to see this one.
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 29, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Grant’s boss?
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
2B – Llama
SS – Llama
1B – Alpaca
RF – Llama
CF – Camel, Bactrian
3B – Vicuña
C – Dromedary
LF – Guanaco
P – Lincecum
Sucking up to Grant for a mod position since 2009
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
LOL TURTLES!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 29, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL GIRAFFE!
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
C – Molina
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
(notes pitcher)
so you’re saying we have a chance?
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Shift the camel to right
The gazelle is fully recovered so he starts in center.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
Speaking of which, I picked up some Jim Beam Black at lunchtime for the weekend games. Hopefully it will last.
The Magic is inside all of us.
Proud father of the man taking your hard-earned money.
You wait until lunchtime to go liquor shopping?!
I posted this in the post-game thread this AM:
(a sure sign you’re in a pennant race: you go to BevMo and pack the cooler for a 7:15 pm
game at 9:35 am).
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
I think that part of the reason that I’m starting to like Brian Wilson more and more is that he almost never resorts to the generic cliches. He always says the most bizarre things.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
That beard is an affront to beardos everywhere.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
he’s gotta be dying it, right?
Sucking up to Grant for a mod position since 2009
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
I’m pretty sure he has like a rookie card or a minor league card or something with a beard that is just as dark.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Whoa.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I. WANT. THIS.
Look at my website. Look at it. || Screw Johnsonville Sausages and Safeway. I have my reasons. || I pity the fool that falls in love with [THE SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS]
Here it is:
I particularly like the rectangle shave in the middle.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
The mustache part is also nice.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you think….? No, couldn’t be….
Have you ever thrown a fist full of glitter in the air?
♥ 2010 San Francisco Giants ♥
♥ McCoven ♥
Because that explains everything. I’m going to go be confused over there for a while.
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
It’s ok. I’m pretty sure there are religious support groups to help you through your confusion and questioning.
I asked
It turns out all I have do is ask Our Lord and Saviour© to come into my heart and I won’t crave Brian McCann anymore.
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
Hey, I would let Brian McCann come wherever the hell he wanted.
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
/fidgets uncomfortably
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
um, er, nothing......///
/nervously looks away and hopes someone changes the topic
So, the wind has really picked up here. Looks like a much cooler night at AT&T tonight!
Have you ever thrown a fist full of glitter in the air?
♥ 2010 San Francisco Giants ♥
♥ McCoven ♥
I actually really, really like that about him. He like, thinks about his answers and then forms sentences to communicate them. Embarrassingly rare in sports interviews. Though a lot of questions asked postgame are pretty stupid (“how do you feel after that crushing defeat?”).
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Sep 29, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, that's not the best.
Not a few so-called reporters, especially radio and TV guys, like to ask a “question” like, “Today’s game?” (A certain fellow—who, I believe, still practices in some peripheral capacity in the Bay Area—was in my day notorious for such bullshit.)
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Not a few so-called reporters, especially radio and TV guys, like to ask a "question" like, "Today’s game?"
It’s the “text” and “tweet” mentality. I fall victim to it myself sometimes. Although, both of my daughters give me grief because I spell out all word and use punctuation in my texts to them.
Adopted Son: !Matt Downs I'll miss you my son.
I spell out all word and use punctuation
If only you treated us the same.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
OT: This song is still stuck in my head
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfOpQnRE0qs
The pattern is full..
About Andres Torres:
If, as I take it, we are speaking of the 2010 Giants, then Torres should have surprised no one. His 2009 was outstanding, and he put up the numbers in a way that suggested that he could continue to do so for at least several more years. This year his power factor is down a bit (arguably because in leadoff he approaches his job a little differently), but he is otherwise the same player as last year, when at least some hereabouts were asserting in no uncertain terms that he was the real deal.
If the hypothesized giggles were at the start of 2009, ok, fair dinkum; but if they are hypothesized as occurring prior to the 2010 season, rather not.
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Yeah, 2009 is what I meant by the 25-man roster line. I was sold on him after last year, for sure.
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 29, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but for right field. Don’t make me dig up posts from last year that prove I preferred Torres to Rowand.
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 29, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I liked him after last year, but to be fair, it was 170 PA. They were 170 very very good PA, but I could understand if the jury was still out on him for many.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I think the leading indicators . . .
. . . were that an awful lot of his value lay in his walks and his power, things that tend, much more than hits per se, to represent inherent abilities and to persist across seasons (indeed, across careers). Not to speak of his speed afield and on the bases, and his and ball judgement afield, also persistent talents.
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
I think it was obvious he had the talent to be useful
Because like you said, the walks, power and defense in CF. But THIS good?
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
Certainly by no later than the end of the 2009 season.
His 2009 net-offense value was nontrivially higher than his 2010, even before the (possibly infection-influenced) late-season slight falloff. But even so, his 2010 is really good, and for a fast, heady defensive whiz, it’s majestic.
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
I didn’t believe in Andres Torres.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions
You were right about Torres, and thank god for that, because we wouldn’t be in first place without him. But for the life of me, I can’t figure out how you got there. I mean, his minor-league numbers over the previous few years were fine but not great, especially for a guy who’d been in AAA forever. In the 170 plate appearances he got with the Giants in 2009, his K/W was almost identical to what it was in the minors — surely that screams fluke? His 2009 pace would have him hitting 24 home runs over a full season — this after never hitting more than 11 at any level at any point in his career. He was on pace to hit 30 triples, for heaven’s sake. Surely you couldn’t think that was his true level of ability?
Oh?
Minor-league numbers are very meaningful while a man is moving up through the levels; after that, they are as close as can be to counter-meaningful, whether Bowkeresque or Torresian.
What persuaded me was that what Torres was excelling in was categories of either innate ability, meaning power, or of mental skill, meaning strike-zone judgement. A guy with his background who showed up batting .343 with modest power and walks would have been screaming out FLUKE! But a guy who shows up manifesting innate skills and abilities will very likely be able to repeat his performance.
Plus I still give a little weight to eyeball evaluation provided it doesn’t seem to fly in the face of the actual numbers.
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
I can’t buy that a 30-year-old’s AAA numbers could be “counter-meaningful” in the sense that he could be expected to hit better than a basic minors-to-majors conversion would predict. Worse, sure, but better? Torres has hit for much more power with the Giants than he did in even his best minor-league season. That’s gotta be unusual.
I’d love to see a list of career minor-leaguers who’ve gotten called up and performed as well as Torres (w/r/t power and strike-zone judgment) over, say, 150 at-bats. I suspect that nine out of ten of them would then quickly revert to the level predicted by their minor league numbers.
But yeah, eyeball evaluation served one well in this case. In retrospect, it’s clear that he was so good with the glove that the smart move was to find out how real his batting performance was, just in case.
It does happen.
Mind, I think that the combination of medication and batting instruction played a major role, but: what can happen to men with major-league aspirations (which is initially everyone) that are frustrated and locked into the minors is that they fall back to more or less going through the motions, just enough to keep a job—because they can’t bear to walk away from baseball—but not up to the intensity level they could reach were they still, in their minds, seriously competing for a promotion. That’s by no means all men, but I think it is some.
And, again, as to reversion: I must honestly say that in the early days I didn’t know about the meds, or even the instruction, because if I had, I’d have been even more aggressively pro-Torres. But just based on what he was doing, how he looked doing it, and the things I mentioned above, I did indeed “think that was his true level of ability”. Maybe it’s Sabeanesque: wrong method leading to right result. But I felt comfortable with it, even though you’d have to look a ways and a while to find someone more emphatic than me about the importance of prior history in judging men.
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Any arachnologists here?
What is the name of those fucking spiders in the Bay Area that are the size of your fucking thumb that build big-ass webs right in plain fucking sight so they can fucking taunt you? I just removed one from my patio, and it was the most harrowing experience of my life.
Nah. Those usually hang out in dark places like under a pile of wood.
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 29, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Black widows don't actually kill you, right?
What happens? ::considers getting bit for the hell of it::
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
I think if you get bit enough
You die…or if your immune system is weak, or no medical attention…etc…
Either way, I am terrified of them and loathe them to my very core
by Artimus Clyde on Sep 29, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Have been bitten by a Black Widow
and am still typing. Didn’t even know it until the next morning. I had been in a garage crawl space to get some luggage for a trip to San Diego.
Did not feel good though. Hands swelled up, headache, joints ached and basically felt like sh*t for three days.
Adopted Son: !Matt Downs I'll miss you my son.
the internet tells me
that their venom is 15 times deadlier than rattlesnake.
but that a bite is a pretty low dose.
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"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
If you see this spider, please contact Darrell Ubick at the California Academy of Science.
Oh, god.
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 29, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
QUANTUM SPIDER
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
Not likely
Probably some type of orb weaver. Black widows don’t like to be out in the open.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
I was in NC on the Outer Banks a few years ago. Walking around a Lighthouse, I ran into a giant Garden Orb Weaver web. Screamed like a little bitch…
Adopted Son: !Matt Downs I'll miss you my son.
Nice
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
With a lighter and a can of Lysol spray you can make pest removal an exciting adventure!
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I think they're garden spiders
..at least that’s what we call them…the longer they stay in one spot the more humongous they get. Fairly harmless, but look like smaller versions of tarantulas and scare the shit out of my wife and kids.
Those are the ones.
Fuck those things.
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 29, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think they're awesome
I was admiring the work of one the other day. Its web was suspended vertically above a shrub; the bottom was anchored to the shrub, and the top was held up by two long strands attached up in the canopies of two trees about 15 feet apart. And I wondered, how would you even do that? Pretty damn amazing.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
Never!
I am a full-on, bleeding-heart spider rescuer. I fish the dumb things out of my bathtub and set them free.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
by EliminateMe on Sep 29, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hell yeah. I’m with you. The anti-spider bias on this blog has gone uncorrected for too long. Spiders deserve respect and praise! And maybe even love.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I have a special shoe to squish 'em with
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
I'm in the middle.
In their place, I think they’re one of the coolest things around. However, fuck with me or mine and I’ll quickly execute them.
They deserve to be killed like the pestilence-ridden vermin they are.
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
Thank you, someone had to state the obvious
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
I wish a plague of mosquitos on all you spider haters.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
JOKE'S ON YOU, BUDDY
I live in the South! They’re already here.
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
I only kill them when they’re in my house.
I think spiders are allowed to live outside. That’s their home, and they’re entitled to it. But if they invade, they’re in for a world of hurt, by which I mean I’ll hit them with something.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
I shall defend spiders with my dying breath. Unless I think of something cooler to say.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I think there are plenty of spiders who would like nothing more than to help you do just that.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, I absolutely get that there are some dangerous spiders out there, in all seriousness. If a dangerous spiders is out and about, I’ll kill it. However, the anti-spider bias (oh yes, I’m going to keep saying that) on here seems to cover all spiders, not just actually dangerous ones.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Spider coddler.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, I think that is wise. Really, unless you live somewhere with a lot of spiders, there aren’t that many. In California there are black widows and maybe brown recluses, right? Wolf spiders, daddy long legs, a few others are clearly harmless.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I wish I could trust that. But I never put anything past the spider lobbyists that control the purse strings in Washington.
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
Spider lobbyists don’t give money, they just threaten to plant spider eggs in politicians’ offices.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
FTFY
Spider lobbyists don’t give money, they just threaten to plant spider eggs in politicians’ offices orifices.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Only the really serious lobbyists.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
The wolf spider had an impressive record in our high school spider fight league.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
In CA, it's only black widows.
So, wear gloves when reaching into the woodpile or dark corners of the garage, and you’re good.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
People get hurt by foul balls. Death to all baseball players.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
Well, consider yourself unlucky then.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
You’re doing it wrong.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
but Russell Martin?
literally.
When this .sig was awaiting the Final Sabean Apocalypse, I never once in a million years suspected it would be a "good" Apocalypse. Bengie... Don't let the door hit you IN YOUR GIANT ASS on the way out!
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I’m not really convinced that, aside from the aforementioned black widow and brown recluse, spiders generally bite people. I hear people say, “Dammit, I have a spider bite.” But then when I ask, “Did you see the spider?” the answer is always no. Which means it could have been any sort of bug that did the biting, so I don’t really believe in spider bites.
That would be utterly disastrous.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions
No, it's not.
At the very least, there is the brown recluse. See also this about California and spiders (which mentions that “No one in the United States has died from a black widow spider bite in over 10 years”), and this, which states that “Only two varieties of North American spiders are poisonous: the black widow and the brown recluse” (which is not strictly true, in that almost all spiders have “toxic” bites—just that the others are not serious to people without severe and unusual allergies to them).
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Or the spider doesn’t have the mouth parts to deliver the poison to a human.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions
According to all I have read, the brown recluse is…well, let me just quote a UC Riverside entomologist:
There are no populations of brown recluse spiders living in California. In case, this upsets your applecart, I repeat, there are no populations of brown recluse spiders living in California.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
I’ve definitely heard that the population is pretty small.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Checking around, that appears to be consensus expert opinion.
The very occasional findings of brown recluses in California appear to be cases of accidental importation from out of area; nor do they seem to take hold when so imported.
They are, however, widely reported in what is generally taken to be spotter error, the actual spiders perceived being similar, even other types of recluse spider, but not the true brown. But the frequency of such reports has led to a widespread belief that they are common in the state.
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
The irony would be delicious. I actually hope that when I do die it’s in some hilarious ironic way so that people at my funeral feel compelled to laugh. Not in a sick way, I just don’t want my funeral to be all sad and shit.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
In an unexpected twist, giantsfansince1981 is later fatally bitten by a spider and has to decide, dying break approaching, whether or not to actually defend the fuckers who killed him.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn it. When I get to a thread and there are 700 new comments, I should just assume that Natto already made every joke I want to.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions
SIMPSONS DID IT!
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Mongolian Death Spider of Doom
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 29, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m perplexed by the spider. Since they have existed for so long, it’s hard to question their ability to survive. But when I see one spinning a web in my shower I’m thinking. “dude, no insects or anything else resembling food ever visits my shower. Are you trying to catch me? If so, I think you’re going to need a bigger web.”
Seems like a dumb strategy but I may be missing something.
You go into your shower, silly ape thing.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
That was a quote from a spider, btw. Quotation marks vanish.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
Well, depending on your showering frequency
there may be a swarm of flies accompanying you.
Just sayin’
I had the "one that got away" last night
Sitting on the couch, watching the Giants game and this moderately sized spider just comes straight down from the ceiling on its web right towards my leg. So I tell my wife to keep an eye on it so I can get some tissue to smash it – my wife, being a gentle and caring lover of all of God’s creatures, decides to transport it outside on the throw pillow it landed on.
However, by the time she gets to the door, Mr. Spider’s no longer on the throw pillow. F#cker’s on the loose, somewhere in my house.
I hate that – it was probably pregnant.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
Coulda used that advice two days ago...thanks!
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
I somehow doubt that Mr. Spider was pregnant.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 29, 2010 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions
The secret lives of spiders.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Not to freak anyone out further
but since spiders lay eggs by the hundreds or even thousands at a time, they don’t all have to survive for a species to thrive.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
Haven’t you ever heard of them being laid in your mouth?
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m just lashing out after all the spider hatred on here. Who speaks for the spiders?!?
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe this guy!
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
I wish that was showing up on my computer, but it is not right now. My curiosity is piqued!
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s showing some Muslim guy born in Indonesia.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
PROVE IT! SHOW ME THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL – methinks I get it.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Hot Crawl?
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s a very niche form of caviar.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions
My only thought is the Daddy Long Legs, but then I feel foolish writing that and I wonder if that was just something my family called them so that when I grew up I would call them that to somebody because I think that’s what they’re called, and then look foolish doing it.
I don’t think that’s what you mean, though, because they’re completely harmless. I don’t even think their jaws are strong enough to break human skin. Also, not quite the size of your thumb.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, I see the issue was resolved and it was not a Daddy Long Leg. Also, I see that is a valid name for them. Good.
When I’m raising a kid, though, I’m going to call them Ol’ Stick Legs and then wait for my kids to look stupid in front of their friends.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t think you’ll need to resort to stratagem.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
OK, I take that back. I should wait for your children to exist before insulting them.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions
No, just like my strategems, it’s best to start early. Go right ahead.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions
RIP Greg Giraldo
A funny dude.
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 29, 2010 2:58 PM PDT reply actions
holy crap
I hadn’t heard that he died.
that’s terrible.
Sucking up to Grant for a mod position since 2009
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
What???????
He’s my favorite comedian and a harvard law alum. Please tell me you are joking
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Sep 29, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Sadly, no.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Sep 29, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow
That just crushed me. Seriously. I encourage everyone to check out his roasts or download some of his comedy bits.
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Sep 29, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
oh no.
He was really funny :( How sad.
Have you ever thrown a fist full of glitter in the air?
♥ 2010 San Francisco Giants ♥
♥ McCoven ♥
RIP yes. Funny… meh.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Torres cf, Fontenot 2b, Huff 1b, Posey c, Burrell lf, Guillen rf, Uribe ss, Sandoval 3b, Lincecum p
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
PLAY THE KIDS, GINATS BRAS!!!!!
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
LOL Winn
Although Young and Sweeney have been liberated, St. Louis outfielder Randy Winn remains baseball’s active postseason futility leader with 1,714 games and no postseason appearance. San Francisco’s Aubrey Huff, third on the active list with 1,474 games and no postseason berth, has a chance to join Young and Sweeney in escaping if the Giants can clinch a playoff spot this week.
Torres cf
Fontenot 2b
Huff 1b
Posey c
Burrell lf
Guillen rf
Uribe ss
Sandoval 3b
Lincecum p
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 29, 2010 3:01 PM PDT reply actions
I feel stupid
for hoping for an omission of Guillen every time I read the lineups
by Artimus Clyde on Sep 29, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Funny….I feel angry everytime I see his name in the lineup
Adopted Son: !Matt Downs I'll miss you my son.
I really like what he gives us off the bench
Sucking up to Grant for a mod position since 2009
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
ridiculous!
Then there wouldn’t be a gaping hole after our decent hitters!
by Artimus Clyde on Sep 29, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
This
It’s like our lineup is:
Top half of the lineup
Guillen
Bottom half of the lineup
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
Also
Hasn’t moved significantly in over 200 years.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
im sick of that black hole that is Guillen in the 6 slot. he is a rally killer
by giant4life83 on Sep 29, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree.
Just because even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once doesn’t mean that you depend on the fucking varmint to supply your daily meals.
Yay Torres
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
http://www.youtube.com/user/BattingStances#p/a/B05065CBE60A6ABF/1/41c2s-noYUE
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
Padres GM interview excerpts (from Gaslampball)
“It’s been a pretty frustrating last three days. No question. We’ve lost games at the wrong time. There are 5 games left and given that we’re playing the team we’re facing we still control our own destiny. There is still time left, but it certainly been a frustrating couple of days.”
Is there a good time to lose games?
“I see a team that has really struggled to score runs. Looking back at the last 35 games or so, we have a really hard time scoring more than 2 or 3 runs in a given night. We haven’t gotten the big hits. Whenever teams don’t hit and don’t score runs people always accuse the team of being lethargic. I see just the opposite. I see a lot of guys that care a ton. There are probably a lot of guys pressing.”
No…the team is not lethargic…they just have a severe lack of talent and used up all of their unicorn juice
You have to tip your caps to Giants. They are on a good pitching run. “We’ve won 5 out of 6 in San Francisco, we have reason to be confident.”
on a good pitching run
as opposed to having good pitchers
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
5 out of 6 in April is different!
Jeaaaggaahh
by Soulbrother16 on Sep 29, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
mat latos said we have a new team, so 5 of 6 back then don’t mean shit.
coulda taken 2 of 3 a month ago, but scott decided to not catch the ball, fall on his ass (giving up a 2 run rally), then get picked off the next half inning. we never really saw scott again
by giant4life83 on Sep 29, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder what the conversation is like when old friends Scott, Burrell, & Huff are hanging out. Talk about awkward.
Scott: So Pat, thanks a lot for coming to SF and basically taking my job.
Pat: No problem. Too bad about all that sucking you are doing. I’m sure things will turn around for you.
Long awkward silence
To use a term created by a great philosopher or some crap...
…the planets couldn’t have been any more “alignier” than they are this season.
Hey Everyone!
Got this kick ass shirt today!
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Sep 29, 2010 3:27 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
apparently i should have scaled the pic down :(
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
I got mine at the beginning of August. It’s larger than I thought it would be, which I hope is also true for its namesake.
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
omg LOL!
Have you ever thrown a fist full of glitter in the air?
♥ 2010 San Francisco Giants ♥
♥ McCoven ♥
LOL
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 29, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t get it.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Y’know. ‘Cause it’s a…you know. About his…you know. And the…stuff.
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
Bobbited?
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
wtf yiu peopke dibnt stop now
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
by shanghaijim on Sep 29, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd for mobile posting
When this .sig was awaiting the Final Sabean Apocalypse, I never once in a million years suspected it would be a "good" Apocalypse. Bengie... Don't let the door hit you IN YOUR GIANT ASS on the way out!
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so..your saying its HUGE
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
Kinda. But I’m a small guy, so the shirt itself isn’t really that big.
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
i got a medium and it’s kinda large on me, kinda pissed
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
I got the youth XL, and it’s still a little large than I’d like.
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
You guys know about this? if already mentioned, disregard..
The Padres wait for the Cubs to come to town then they have a special ceremony for the 25th anniversery of 1984, the 26th anniversery of 1984 etc. Basically an “In Your Face” that the Padres do every year.
/disregards
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Heading out with my 2000 Rally Towels
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Rooting for the Astros and Cubs
Oh the plight of a Giants fan.
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis who is stuck in the baseball purgatory called extended spring training.
Gotta do what you gotta do.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Hangover loss!
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know if that's the case but here's the Reds lineup tonight
Bloomquist RF
Valaika 2B
Alonso 1B
Francisco 3B
Heisey CF
Nix LF
Janish SS
Miller C
Cueto P
That’s awesome.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 29, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Shift-A
LOLtos
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
Cubs-Padres lineups
Fukudome – RF
Castro – SS
Byrd – CF
Ramirez – 3B
Nady – 1B
Soriano – LF
DeWitt – 2B
Hill – C
Wells – P
Venable – CF
Eckstein – 2B
Tejada – SS
Gonzalez – 1B
Ludwick – RF
Torrealba – C
Cunningham – LF
Headley – 3B
Young – P
stupid phillies for acquiring Roy Oswalt
what were they thinking? they aren’t a true “team” anymore.
What is up with that? I see the kids these days wearing them that way, and it rankles me.
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
the kids
have been doing this for at least 20 years, if memory serves.
Sucking up to Grant for a mod position since 2009
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
It was wrong then and it’s wrong now.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it’s only trickled into the actual sport recently, though.
I’m not some kind of baseball cap traditionalist or anything. But I certainly don’t understand it as fashion because it looks terrible.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions
she probably has her palm pointed up and facing inward, in a “what what, i got a USC / Dodgers boyfriend with a GO GIANTS sign, yo” kind of way
W/R/T Mat Latos...
It would’ve been really weird if the the Padres put their players in jerseys that said “San Francisco Giants.”
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 29, 2010 5:42 PM PDT reply actions
as good as he is, you will absolutely be pissed off at him at least 5 times a season for the way he trots to first base instead of hustling.
it would when you’re down 2-1 in the bottom of the 9th inning for the 35th time of the year, with a runner on first, one out, and he hits a slow roller to 2B that turns into a DP that any amount of hustle would have prevented.
In PETCO Park, this happens all too frequently.
I can put up with that
especially if he replaces Jose Guillen, who I am pissed off at least 5 times a game.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
all my anger goes straight to Bochy for playing him. It’s as if he doesn’t ever see the botchery in RF, or stiff-wristing of hittable pitches (resulting in grounders to 2B)…
if his at-bats feel like he is extending the pitcher, my sense is that it’s because guillen is better at fouling off pitches 1 foot out of the strike zone, a skill Aaron Rowand waved bye-bye to a long time ago.
ross vs. guillen
i don’t know much about crafting lineups, but it seems like ross has been comparable with guillen at the plate lately and provides an upgrade in RF. (although his showing in centerfield in CO after torres came out was painful to watch.)
Ross looks like ichiro in right compared to guillen
Also a better hitter and not slower than bengie molina.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
assuredly
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 29, 2010 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
It's his pay back for the giants trading molina
Another team killing ignorant veteran bias line up move based on dingerz and ribeyez playing for a last place team.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Ross is proof that Bochy's style doesn't work
Ross was pretty awful when he was getting spot starts, pinch hitting and getting a few PA’s as a late inning sub, but once he got consistent playing time he started to hit, toss in his defense and to me it’s a no brainer who should be in right virtually every night. Also, I’d like a whole season of Burrell-Torres-Ross in the outfield, I think that would actually contribute to a pretty good lineup.
"There's not many things to do in a trailer park." - A. Huff
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Sep 29, 2010 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I just don't understand
Is our manager really that fucking stupid and clueless that he thinks a shitty player like jose guillen is a better option than cody ross?
I guess he doesn’t watch people play defense and all he does is look at baseball cards and say “Mmm Jose’s been through it just look at his track record i’m gonna stick with him”.
Jose guillen has never done anything but suck on both ends of the ball and belongs no place but on the bench and if he’s got a problem with it he can get mike soscscia’d.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Is our manager really that fucking stupid and clueless that he thinks a shitty player like jose guillen is a better option than cody ross?
In a word: Yes
"There's not many things to do in a trailer park." - A. Huff
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Sep 29, 2010 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Jon Miller is saying "awps" on "The Tenth Inning" :^)
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
He thinks it’s funny to pronounce it AWPS
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Is anyone else deliriously happy to have Torres back in the lineup?
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 5:54 PM PDT reply actions
Pants-soilingly happy.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 29, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
+109 million
"There's not many things to do in a trailer park." - A. Huff
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Sep 29, 2010 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL @ scott larry dobrows rookie player rankings
Perhaps he was “ready” at the start of the season after all. If the games sacrificed at the altar of Bengie Molina prove the difference between bonus October baseball and none, Giants fans ought to go after Brian Sabean with torches and pitchforks.
IAWTC.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
That's just a lame excuse
If Strasberg did not get hurt…many writers would have voted for him as ROY despite missing a half season…
It’s just a cheap way for the “writers” to pick Heyward
Totally agree
While I’m still a little concerned about a totally nonsensical rookie jinx, Posey’s the ROY hands down. Especially the way Heyward has faded down the stretch.
"There's not many things to do in a trailer park." - A. Huff
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Sep 29, 2010 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Why is "writers" in quotes?
Is writing no longer neccessary to create text? WHAT YEAR IS THIS
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
by slackersphere17 on Sep 29, 2010 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
http://www.unnecessaryquotes.com/
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Sep 29, 2010 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought the missed time might be an argument FOR posey. He has almost the same numbers in 100 or so less at bats
by hautecouture on Sep 29, 2010 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions
post hoc ergo prompter hoc
When this .sig was awaiting the Final Sabean Apocalypse, I never once in a million years suspected it would be a "good" Apocalypse. Bengie... Don't let the door hit you IN YOUR GIANT ASS on the way out!
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game totally stalled and basically dead at this point
Going home...Timmy no-hitter/perfect game would be good :)
Giants scoring 4 runs again would make it that much better
Go Giants!
Who the fuck cares about any of that shit?
Let’s get timmy a fucking W and a padres loss and keep on rolling.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Yeah, a no-hitter would totally suck.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I had no interest in any "history" on friday or sunday
All that matters is moving up in the standings man.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Thank you for letting me know what matters to me.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I care
Anytime Timmeh/Dirty/Matt Fucking Cain pitches I start out hoping for a no-no because they’re capable.
"There's not many things to do in a trailer park." - A. Huff
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Sep 29, 2010 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions
This
Only slacks on defense when history’s on the line.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
at least he hits clutch home runs to make up for it
by hautecouture on Sep 29, 2010 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions
True that
Also has the anti-renteria arm.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
first he's shitty, then he's sweet
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
by slackersphere17 on Sep 29, 2010 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Watching Ken Burns' "The Bottom of the Tenth"
God, I love this game.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Sep 29, 2010 6:17 PM PDT reply actions
this thread is long
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Sep 29, 2010 6:22 PM PDT reply actions
I don’t recognize this.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 29, 2010 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions
What are you? The UN?
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 29, 2010 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Howie is pretty bureaucratic.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 29, 2010 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
im not sure if this was discussed above
but bbtn chat on espn said giants best chance to give the phillies a run for their money in the nl playoffs
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Sep 29, 2010 6:38 PM PDT reply actions
I swear, I'm only doing this because you always say you appriciate grammar corrections
All of these are grammatically incorrect:
But if the Reds liked Derek Jeter more than Chad Mottola, the Yankees were screwed
If any team in baseball offered him a major league contract, he would have giggled as he signed the deal
If John Bowker hit half as well as the vocal minority thought he could, Torres would still be a fifth outfielder
If one coach at Florida State didn’t have a Buster-related epiphany, Posey would be playing third base in the
If the Dodgers don’t win those four games, the Diamondbacks or Rangers would have picked before the Giants
If Armando Benitez didn’t blow a ninth-inning lead against the Dodgers in this game, maybe Tim Lincecum wouldn’t be on the Giants
All of these are contrafactual and take place in the past (conditional 3), which means the conditional clauses should all be in past perfect tense – “if the Reds had liked”, “if any team in baseball had offered”, etc.
The first sentence is way off, since the main clause ("the Yankees were screwed) is also wrong – conditional 3 can only end with “would verb” or “would have verbed”. In this case, the latter would be correct, since the main clause also takes place in the past (2009).
Missed me?
All would perhaps have been better in the historical present.
Actually, #5 starts that way, but fails to—as Will Strunk would put it—“match parts”, wherein “would have picked” wants to be “pick”.
But, speaking of pick, if you want to pick nits, “past perfect” should be hyphenated—“past-perfect”—as a compound adjective modifying “tense”, plus “tense” normally takes the definite article. Skitt’s Law.
Welcome back.
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
I don’t see how you could use the historical present here. Conditional sentences in which both clauses are in the present simple tense (“zero” conditionals) are meant to describe absolute certainties or general rules – “if you freeze water, it turns into ice”. In other words, the “if” should be completely interchangeable with “when” – “when you you freeze water, it turns into ice”.
Or maybe another way to put it would be that when you use the same tense for the two clauses, you are suggesting that they’re happening in the same “time level” (for lack of a better term). I could get using it in sentence #2 as a rhetorical device, meant to emphasize just how quickly Torres would sign that contract, but it would not work in sentence #5, for example, in which there is a sizable time gap between the two clauses, and definitely not in sentence #6, in which not only is there a sizable time gap, but one clause actually takes place in the past while the other is in the present (and I mean that in the factual sense, not grammatically – Benitez blew that game years ago, but Lincecum is on the Giants right now).
But, I could be wrong.
As for my own mistakes, it’s already been established that when I correct other people’s grammar it’s good fun, but correcting mine is xenophobic.
The use of the historical present (if that’s a correct description of this usage) to express contrafactuals is something that I associate mainly with sports broadcasters, and it kind of bugs me.
“If Bowker hits as well as we thought, Torres is still a fifth outfielder.”
“If the Dodgers don’t win those four games, the D-Backs pick before the Giants.”
It just sounds wrong to me.
Incidentally, whatever SBNation’s autoformat is doing with quotation marks is borked worse than a double switch in the first inning.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
by EliminateMe on Sep 30, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Nope.
It is a standard and long-established aspect of English. In George O. Curme’s authoritative work English Grammar (at 119. Tenses of the Indicative, 3. Historical Present), he states (in part):
In narrative, especially in a lively style, the historical present is much used to make past events more vivid and bring them nearer the hearer . . . . [In] narrative, but also elsewhere we often bring something from the near or remote past up to the present moment by the use of the present tense: “Mr. Smith, we see in the newspapers that you are going to Europe soon.” Similarly, we quote an old author when we feel that his words have weight in the questions of the hour: Homer says that, etc.
EiminateMe is correct that the commonest use in public forums these days is in recounting sports events—“If Jones makes that play, Smith never scores”—but it also remains (from my experience) quite lively in everyday speech.
Some like it a lot, some detest it (mrs. owlcroft does); for myself, I think it is a nice tool if not sorely overused.
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Oh, the historical present is lovely; it’s the announcerly use of it discussed above that grates. If not incorrect, it’s at best maladroit — the historical present elides the passage of time in order to lend immediacy to past events, but to the thought behind “if … then” statements, the passage of time is crucial.
Let us just say . . .
. . . that we must agree to disagree. I am comfortable with Curme’s first sentence on the topic; you, and some others, are not. As someone (William James?) once remarked, there is nothing whatever in this world that anyone is obliged to like.
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Yeah, I suck at conditional tenses. Thanks. Seriously.
I’m even worse at “I and he” “myself and her”, etc… Doesn’t come up a lot here, though.
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 1, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I really, really like the players on this team — not just because they’re winning and the team is good, but because they’re such a disparate bunch of goofballs.
totes m’gotes.
"Reynolds struck out as many times as I did in high school, and I’m not talking about baseball." - Duane Kuiper.
Nate woulda had that.
by MonochromeGarden on Sep 30, 2010 3:52 AM PDT reply actions
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