Transaction of the Year
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 22, 2010 10:37 AM PDT
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PrintI understand that some folks are recluctant to give Brian Sabean credit for trading Bengie Molina. Sabean did re-sign him in the first place. It’s hard to get a medal for crawling to an emergency room after you crush yourself by tipping over a vending machine. It doesn’t matter that you paid for those chips and the vending machine was oppressing you. You just aren’t going to get a lot of credit. I’ve seen it happen.
But of all the moves that put the Giants in a position to win the division, only one was completely and totally unexpected. While the performances of Andres Torres and Aubrey Huff have been unexpectedly amazing, it’s not as if it was a surprise that the Giants acquired them at all. The trade of Bengie Molina was shocking, absolutely shocking. He was supposed to be a middle-of-the-order run producer, a pitcher whisperer, a game-calling master, a clubhouse leader, and a legendary clutch hitter all in one. He was supposed to be a Swiss Army Knife of winning, except instead of the toothpick and tweezers, there was a spot for a couple of donuts.
Molina actually wasn’t quite that superlative. At all. His one mediocre skill, power, was gone, leaving him with a collection of skills that ranged from below-average to worst-in-baseball. He would still hit cleanup for no apparent reason. He would still play every day. The best catching prospect in baseball was playing first base to make room for Molina. It was all very impressive. And there was no way it was going to change in 2010.
Except it did. If the Giants needed offensive help, there was a simple way to find it. Move Huff from left back to first, move Buster Posey from first to catcher, and find a real left fielder. To do that, though, Brian Sabean would have to make a bold move. He’d have to trade the security blanket of the pitching staff. He’d have to trade him away because the manager wasn’t going to limit Molina’s time on his own. He’d have to admit that Molina just wasn’t going to add much to an offense in need.
He did it. There were a lot of season ticketholders who were probably baffled. The organization spent a lot of time expounding on the magic of veteran catchers, and they were just going to turn it over to...to...this rookie? The clubhouse must have been similarly confused. The pitching staff probably had to bite their collective tongue, as Molina was a respected catcher with whom they felt comfortable. It wasn’t as easy of a move as a lot us would like to believe.
Molina gone. Posey at catcher. Pat Burrell signed. Giants in first place in September. Give or take away the credit tokens as you see fit, but Sabean deserves at least a little credit for correcting his own mistake. As trades go, this was a reverse-McGriff. It just might put the Giants in the playoffs.
Here’s the part where you complain that if Posey were starting at catcher since April, the Giants would be up by four games. You might have a point, but there’s a very simple rebuttal to this point. You see, the Giants wouldn’t have been better off if Posey were starting the whole season because
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That’s funny as a Soprano’s reference, but before I thought of that, it was funny as a musical reference. I was imagining the “Wheel in the Sky” riff.
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Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
Grant, Yes.
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by jctGamer on Sep 22, 2010 10:43 AM PDT reply actions 6 recs
yeah but
if Posey was starting at catcher since april, the Giants would be up by four games
by Sandoval Stays Suckafree on Sep 22, 2010 10:44 AM PDT reply actions
Still in this line.
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by Giant Torture on Sep 22, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd rather observe outside of this line instead of joining it
Not that I disagree with the notion wholeheartedly, but rather I think there is a correlation between Posey playing 1/4 of his games at 1B + playing the first 3 weeks at 1B in the majors and how “fresh” he looks right now and taking the ball every day without a break.
I don’t think we can exactly extrapolate Posey’s performance over Molina infinitely up to April, and if we are fortunately enough to make the playoffs, this would have been perfectly executed by the front office to have a (somewhat) fresh Posey.
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Plus didn’t Posey struggle for a few weeks in AAA? While Bengie destroyed at the plate? One could argue that the Giants may have won a few extra games by having Molina over Posey b/c Molina was mashing for most the time he was with the giants.
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by say hey nation on Sep 22, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Bengie's line with the Giants
.257/.312/.332, .283 wOBA. I would argue that he was NOT mashing most of his time with the Giants.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
he didn’t specify WHAT he was mashing. For all we know, he was really mashing those potatoes.
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wow. Never mind the previous comment.
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by say hey nation on Sep 22, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
And his May/June lines? Which accounted for many more PAs?
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
May and June sucked
My point was that having Molina in the line up didn’t start hurting the Giants until after the first month….and we’ll never know for sure that having Buster would have been the same player we got had he not started the season in AAA.
Those 47 games with Fresno/Decker may have contributed to the success he’s had on the big team.
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This...
I remember reading that a scout talked about how Buster’s swing in July looked very different than from spring training
Bengie’s April line was .344/.403/.422 though.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 22, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Because that’s the month people are claiming Buster should have been his replacement for. And it’s 2 months – April and May. By June Buster was playing every day. Even half way through May Bengie had decent production.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 22, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
He only had 72 plate appearances over that time, though he did post a 128 wRC+ and a .364 wOBA. However, Posey has posted a 140 wRC+ and a .382 wOBA over his whole season. Posey’s overall line likely would regress a bit with more time, and he may be better because of time in AAA/time at first base, but it’s certainly not clear to me that Molina’s March/April helped the Giants.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 22, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, if he had 130 starts behind the plate instead of 98 (MiL and MLB combined) there’s no guarantee his performance would be the same as it is right now… but admittedly the Giants might have a better record.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 22, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I think it would be about the same with 130 starts.
I doubt it would be the same if he had ~150 catching starts plus a couple at 1B, which is about the pace he’s been on since Molina was traded.
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NO
because of the unwritten rules of the universe, if Posey was starting at Catcher in April, he’d have scuffled at the plate for a couple weeks, been demoted, and sulked forever ruining a HOF career.
It’s Science
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Agreed.
I was completely shocked when I learned that Molina had been traded. Did not see it coming at all. It is not like Sabean to admit a mistake like that.
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I was definitely surprised when I saw the trade. I nearly fainted when I saw he hit for the cycle three (or so) days later.
On this note...
Was this one of the most improbable feats imaginable taking into account the person who accomplished it? What would be more surprising to stumble upon on MLB network one night?
I would be pretty surprised if Molina hit three triples in a game.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Seeing as though he really did not hit a triple in his cycle game
I concur.
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seeing as he has had 6 in 5136 ML PAs, I think this is a safe prediction.
He did have 2 in one season once though
I think my jaw will not shut permanently
now. That’s how shocked I was.
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by Whiteteaandpoptarts on Sep 22, 2010 10:46 AM PDT reply actions
Your poptarps are jealous!!!
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 22, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
The Marlins ground crew is on the line.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
I guess I’m out of the cool club and can’t read the real message. The old cool club could decode the secret message by highlighting the hidden text.
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by say hey nation on Sep 22, 2010 10:48 AM PDT reply actions
This is the part where I talk about Molina’s 45 OPS+ since joining Texas. The Giants ended up paying $4.5M for 202 at-bats of .257/.312/.332 veterany goodness + Main and Ray.
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Is Ray still on the team? I forgot about him.
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by say hey nation on Sep 22, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
He lacks grizzle*
*Not that I’m complaining about how Bork has handled the pen, this is his lone strong suit.
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by Giant Torture on Sep 22, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I like Chris Ray
but the dude is no Ramon Ramirez, that’s for sure.
by GrooveGiant on Sep 22, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
OT: Greatest Headline Ever!
http://www2.nbc4i.com/news/2010/sep/22/dad-beer-run-meth-machete-gets-tased-ar-238403/
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WalrusMan?
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by say hey nation on Sep 22, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Funny headline, but the story itself is pretty sad.
by GrooveGiant on Sep 22, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
18 year old girlfriend, 3 and 5 year old kids, meth, machete, fighting with chief of police. I can’t figure out what’s stranger, that he has an 18 yr old girlfriend or felt the need to choke out the chief of police.
given the meth
i think the 18 yo “girlfriend” is less strange
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The part with the kids being in the car was really sad.
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Let’s not forget Molina was red-hot the first month of the season. It is the only thing that made his numbers the last few months he was with the Giants not horribly pathetic.
March/April: .344(BA) .403(OBP) .422(SLG) .825(OPS)
I’m not a Molina supporter (I was pissed when they re-signed him), however, I will give him credit for be an offensive force the first month of the season. Other than his speed on the basepaths (which Posey doesn’t accel at either), I don’t think the Giants lost much offense the first month.
Whatevs it’s all Office.
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by jhiat00 on Sep 22, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And the 2nd and 3rd months?
Those also happened. And they cost the Giants a lot.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
True...but I think he was alluding to Grant's point about Buster coming up in April
I actually think Buster benefited from being in the minors for 3 months.
let's also not forget
his defense was atrocious.
Yes it was
He was horrible at throwing out base-runners and he often was lazy and just stabbed at balls instead of blocking them with his body.
I don’t think anyone is forgetting about that first month, but don’t forget that Renteria was also red-hot that first month. Doesn’t mean I want him anywhere near the starting job at ss, especially if we had another Posey (maybe Posey twin/doppelganger) in the minor leagues hitting the crap out of the ball and/or playing some random position because he was being blocked by Renteria’s awesomeness
I wonder
about all the machinations and internal FO politics that were happening around the time they traded Molina. Remember, the Giants were basically underachieving at that point, and Sabean might have figured there was no way Bochy would give up on his grizzled veteran of a catcher unless he was forced to. And of course Sabes may well have been acting in self-interest—if they stuck with Molina they probably finish around .500 or worse, and maybe Duke Neukom decides he needs a new GM at the end of the season.
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by Kitspool on Sep 22, 2010 11:02 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
What you are calling "self-interest"
I am calling his job. I don’t think of Sabean as selfish if he acts toward his team winning more games.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Brian Sabean is in the business
of keeping Brian Sabean employed
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We’re all in the business of keeping Brian Sabean employed? I need to add that to my resume.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
however
this year is the only year he has deserved to succeed at that business.
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But wasn't Bonds already on the team when Sabean took over?
It’s not managing genius to keep a player like that if he’s already on the team.
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He has succeeded
I don’t know about deserve. Torres, Huff, Burrell, Guillen, even Posey and Bumgarner to a certain extent; the Giants hit big on a ton of long shots. In the long run, I don’t think this is a repeatable winning strategy. It’s one thing to search the bargain bin for useful major leaguers (like Juan Uribe, or Casilla), it’s quite another to depend on it to produce all star-level talents.
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especially
at the ages most of them were discovered. there better be a lot of bargains in the bin in 2012.
Yeah, I agree
I still think Sabean should be replaced, but his 2010 has been good
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
it means he didn’t do it by himself.
"Bengie Molina - the quintessential double play possibility." - Jon MIller
Even giving him full credit for that, it's only half a team.
Without the improbable scrapheap pickups, this team is not in the playoff conversation.
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Okay...but he made the FA moves...
Other than the Yankees, Phillies, and Boston…who doesn’t have improbable scrapheap moves to help their team
Minnesota: Thome
Atlanta: Glaus
SD: The entire freaking team other than Gonzalez, Bell, and Latos
Yeah, but if his way of achieving that goal
Is to do his job well, then I hardly think we need to pigeon-hole it as “acting in self-interest”. He’s just doing his job.
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Fantastical
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 22, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
the Giants wouldn’t have been better off if Posey were starting the whole season because
Bengie Molina brought over a bunch of runs in a suitcase when the Giants resigned him. I think some are still lying around the clubhouse, waiting to be used.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 22, 2010 11:02 AM PDT reply actions
Money never lies.
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You see, the Giants wouldn’t have been better off if Posey were starting the whole season because
I N C E P T I O N
that's two references now
why am i feeling as if the ending of a supposedly great movie (that I haven’t seen yet) has been a little ruined?
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
I’m wondering the same thing. Of course, I’m still a little confused, but nobody explain it! I may still watch the movie!
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 22, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I regret making my comment
I hope this doesn’t end tragically for us.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
At this point, I’m worried we’ll be Inceptioned, even though I don’t know what it means.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 22, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow.
I didn’t know Cillian Murphy was in that movie.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
squinty DiCaprio
is squinty
When this .sig was awaiting the Final Sabean Apocalypse, I never once in a million years suspected it would be a "good" Apocalypse. Bengie... Don't let the door hit you IN YOUR GIANT ASS on the way out!
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Ranking Sabean's in-season deals
Molina Trade
Burrell Acquisition
Fontenot Trade
Ross Acquisition
Ramon Ramirez Trade
Javier Lopez trade (only this low because of what was given up)
Guillen trade (still don’t know the PTBNL)
Am I missing any?
Don't care much about D, eh?
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
I agree
While I think Guillen is a liability in right field, I feel like the teams we’ve played haven’t taken advantage of him being over there. Also, maybe it’s my imagination, but he seems to be running (slightly) better.
I agree he’s more mobile now. Running him out there hurt was pretty dumb.
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he did make a great catch last night, or at least it looked like it
by giant4life83 on Sep 22, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Not Trading Jonathan Sanchez is the clear #1 for me.
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by jctGamer on Sep 22, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
I smell green.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Javier Lopez trade (only this low because of what was given up)
Lopez has been awesome and seriously, still tripped up over Bowker?
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Bowker went back to striking out way more than walking
It’s sad
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
I would hesitate
To give up almost any two reasonably successfull AAA players with a lot of years of team control left for almost any reliever.
Relievers tend to not provide a ton of value – especially loogys, and Bowker and JMart were both cost-controlled if below average players.
I am not a big Bowker believer, but even if the dudes ceiling was .250/.320/.440 with average LF defense, that’s still something nice to have around.
We really needed Lopez at the time, with no lefties in the pen and he answered the call better than anyone could have imagined. With our additions of Burrell, Ross, and Guillen, who all are likely to be more valuable than Bowker this year, this was absolutely the right move.
It also looks like Martinez has been moved to mop up duty for the Pirates, where he has a mid 4 era and a whip around 2
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Sure, but
Let’s say (god forbid) one of our 5 starters gets hurt. Joey was probably the best guy in the org – who is there to call up now? Hacker? Pucetas? Neither of them were as good as Joey.
Look, Lopez has been great. We needed him, and he’s been better than we could have expected. I want him back next year. But even so, two guys who were above-average AAA players is a lot to give for any reliever.
I disagree...
Martinez was not better than Wellmeyer (yes…I just typed that)…or any other journey pitcher we could have signed if he was no. 5
Joey is not good
If one of our SP’s had gotten injured (or gets injured), we are in trouble. With or without Joey.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?
I was sad to see Joey go, but I’m really not upset about it.
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Dont get to post this much any more...
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
I just don’t think Bowker or Martinez will ever make an impact anywhere, while Lopez pretty much already has in his short time with our team
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
They probably won’t, as most AAA players won’t, but that doesn’t mean it should take two of them to get one Lopez. It’s good to have decent AAA players lying around. One never knows who clicks when.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 22, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Obviously it did because one else took the trade
Lopez was probably no. 4 or 5 LOOGY on the market at the time…
In a team pushing for the playoffs, its hard to count on a AAA guy to learn the ropes in the middle of the chase
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Oh, sure
I’m not arguing that Bowker/Martinez would have a greater impact THIS YEAR than Lopez
But over the course of their 4-5 years that they had left of team control? Probably.
No...
Bowker is AAAA player who is 27
Martinez is the last man on the pitching staff that can be replaced easily.
I think that if there’s one thing I could live without seeing again, it’s AAAA.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
What do you have against AAAA?
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Just look at it, the jerk.
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by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Ever wonder why there are no A or B batteries?
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by EliminateMe on Sep 22, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not until now.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
There are, or were.
They are now long outdated, but once were common.
Sabean delenda est!
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au contraire
according to this, there exists a cylindrical single cell A battery, but no B size. Demitri Martin speculates that this is to avoid confusion at the grocery counter
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well, to be pedantic
that’s not exactly right. Those are two different systems of battery nomenclature.
However, the reason why there is no ‘B’ cell battery is to not get confused with the B battery.
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Say it again...In English please
My mom: "I see so many Giants fans on TV at Petco, it's like you're at Pac Bell."
Me: "Almost, just with a substantially greater amount of douchebags."
Because we haven’t had to? Remember, when Martinez first started for us, didn’t he sort of come from nowhere too? Same with Sadowski?
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
if you wait until you have to, you pay more. Why not do it when you don’t have to if players like that are just waiting around to be picked for no cost?
I think y’all are mistaking the fact that Martinez wasn’t some non-prospect or 33 year old career minor-leaguer. He was a fringey guy, sure, but still young and he had some decent results. He’s not the type of guy that just gets picked up for nothing, unlike the Sadowskis of the world.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
Not really
Martinez began the season on the team last year as a reliever but got injured. He was seen as a decent starting option if we needed one. When he came back, he had some chances since Randy Johnson got injured. Sadowski was minor league filler that they went to because there wasn’t really anyone else.
How big is the difference between Martinez and Sadowski though? (Minus the fact that Sadowski is in Korea now)
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
The fact that no major league team is interested in Sadowski is a pretty clear answer to that question.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
Well he did go on to pitch for Houston. I guess we’ll see how long Martinez lasts in Pittsburgh
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
the Astros claimed him!
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It’s not like Martinez is playing for a major league team either. He’s playing for the Pirates.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
/looks around for Pirates fans.
/doesn’t see any.
/claps softly.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2010 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that’s the problem. I’m surprised it took both Bowker and Martinez. I would have liked to at least keep Martinez.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 22, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
We were in deeeeep trouble with no lefties in our pen and I’m sure the Pirates knew this.
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Yeah, I argued this at the time
We were over a barrell. When the guy you’re buying a car from knows you’re desperately running from the law, he’s not going to give you any bargain price.
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right
so you agree it was an overpay, just an overpay with some context.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
A necessary overpay if you will.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 22, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd be fine characterizing it thusly
I’m not saying I think we could have gotten Lopez for less – we propably couldn’t have.
I was just trying to rank the transactions, and I bumped down Lopez because we had to give up a lot – not necessarily that it was a bad trade (in fact, I think all of Sabes non-Guillen moves were good this year)
I'll put this in context for you
I woke up in the morning with a savage hard on. That was some dream I had. My wife, dressed in black lingerie, then puts her boobs all over my face. This is good, I thought.
Then she asked me if it is ok to get new blinds and window treatment for every window in the house, and it’s gonna cost about 1500 bucks.
I knew it was going to be a savage overpay, but, at that moment, I didn’t have a choice.
I call this the Booby Trap.
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I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Well, how else can we judge whether it was an overpayment or not if we don’t know the quality of the work?
johnnie disaster can tell you
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No but he’s seen the evidence
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I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
And the evidence is good.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 22, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed.
(just going for the creepy vibe, feel free to ignore me)
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Plus, I’m looking for ideas for blinds.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Do they match the carpet?
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Does it even make sense for blinds to match the carpet? Carpets are usually pretty bland.
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by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I prefer hardwood floors.
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Hardwood floors are nice. Easy to clean up.
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by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I have composites, hardwood was too thick for my condo.
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These metaphors are way out of hand.
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I think there’s still plenty of juice left in this subthread.
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I still don't understand
why they didn’t call up Hinshaw and sit him on the end of the bullpen bench. He could have served as a decoy to pretend they weren’t actually that desperate.
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by EliminateMe on Sep 22, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Hinshaw sucks
I think every manager would have called that bluff every day incluiding Sunday
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That makes sense. I wonder how necessary a LOOGY is, but given his goal, Sabean did have to pay a bit of a premium. And Lopez has been good thus far.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 22, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, there certainly are tough lefties the Giants probably won’t want to face late in games should they make the postseason.
Votto, Howard, Utley, Gonzalez, etc.
by Every6thDay on Sep 22, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I really don’t think the org has great faith in Runzler for this season; he’s barely played since coming back, and has struggled with command. I hope that Affeldt and Lopez go to the postseason roster, and that the presence of Lopez gives Runzler a year to work on his stuff in AAA; hopefully he will have it figured out when Lopez and Affeldt (presumably) depart after 2011.
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Having no lefties in a bullpen I would think would be a huge problem. Didn’t we have to go to Sanchez during that time?
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
But is that based on an actual advantage of lefties against lefties (which does exist) or the perception that lefty relievers are necessary against left-handed hitters? I’m just wondering how much perception and reality diverge.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 22, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
L/R splits do exist… and in Lopez’ case they are significant. Which is understandable for a sidearmer. Using SD as an example, the utility of being able to put Lopez out there against Gonzalez in a high leverage situation late in a game seems pretty self-evident.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 22, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I wasn’t thinking about them from Lopez’s standpoint. That’s a good point. Lopez the LOOGY it is!
Really, even if it was an overpay, that trade didn’t bother me. A win or two is really valuable to the Giants this year.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 22, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
But it depends who Lopez is replacing.
If it’s Wilsons or (as has happned a couple times) Romo, there’s not much advantage gained, and Lopez’s weakness against righties probably creates more problems than his loogy powers solve.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
For the most part, he’s replacing Runzler.
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Oh, I thought you meant bullpen roles, which IMO is a better way of assessing value.
And to my knowledge, Lopez has not relieved Wilson except possibly in extra inning games where Wilson has already thrown an inning or two.
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Hence the "if"
As for roles, I think they’re both useful, but I don’t think an effective Romo would ever be pulled for Runzler because of a specious matchup issue, but he has for Lopez.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
Remember how Joey Votto looked against Lopez?
He has been nails and a key pick up. Further, I don’t think the Giants remotely overpaid. Bowker will be at best a 4th/5th OF. He has two holes in his swing and his defense and speed are average at best. Martinez’s “upside” is no higher than a middle reliever as his stuff is underwhelming.
Generally speaking, the least common matchup in baseball is LHB vs. LHP. Going by the most recent breakdown of handedness for batters and pitchers on ESPN, here are the ratios:
RHB: 275 (55%)
LHB: 146 (30%)
SHB: 76 (15%)
RHP: 245 (64%)
LHP: 137 (36%)
Assuming that switch hitters will always face the bat opposite of the pitcher (RHB vs. LHP or LHB vs. RHP), that gives us the following frequencies of matchups:
RHB vs. RHP: 35.2%
LHB vs. RHP: 28.8%
RHB vs. LHP: 25.2%
LHB vs. LHP: 10.8 %
Note that this does not differentiate between starters and relievers, so the difference is probably a less pronounced than these numbers indicate, but the numbers are pretty clear that a left-handed batter is less likely to face a left handed pitcher than any other potential matchup. Add in factors of platooning, and it becomes pretty safe to say that this is true.
When you are a lefty at the plate facing a lefty, it can be very uncomfortable. Everything looks backwards. Righties are more used to the look getting flipped around on the mound, with deliveries coming from both sides. And it can really get into your head if things are moving differently than you are used to seeing. Lefties are well practiced in hitting pitching that is tailing in to them. When it starts tailing away, it can be very difficult to make good contact, and this effect is amplified in Lopez’s case by an extremely low arm slot.
As a batter gets to higher levels of competition, they will see the gap in the righty-lefty ratio (supposedly ~9:1 in the population) shrink until they reach the major leagues, yielding the percentages listed above (at this moment, anyway). I would be interested to see if the L/R split for lefties is at all correlated to service time.
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But a LOOGY is different
His job is not to face some nondescript lefty. His job is to come in a tough situation and get Adrian Gonzalez out. It is a limited role, no doubt. But its important.
Batting Splits for the Season for National League
avg/obp/slg/ops
vs. RHP as RHB: .252/.313/.389/.702
vs. RHP as LHB: .259/.334/.413/.748
vs. LHP as RHB: .265/.335/.412/.747
vs. LHP as LHB: .240/.312/.384/.696
So the splits do indeed exist. However, I am not sure we were in the dire need of a lefty that everyone was making it out to be. Our lefties were only about 2 weeks away from recovery when the deal went down. I felt at the time that the Giants could hold out with their relievers until one of them returned.
I felt the deal was more a product of Bochy’s management style (LEFTIES CANNOT HIT LEFTIES) than real necessity. The relievers we had at the time did not have bad numbers against LHBs.
Of course since then Lopez has been pretty out of his mind vs. LHBs but a lot of those big ABs came after we had Affeldt back and when Runzler could have come back. I still think we gave up way too much for him, because we should not have been as desperate as the FO was making it seem.
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when you have to use Sanchez late in a game to face a LHB, then yeah, you really do need a LHP in the pen. You can’t do that every night for 2 weeks.
But the question is if that was really necessary. Should Bochy just have gone with a right-handed reliever there? Basically, would it have been worth having no lefty reliever for a few weeks to keep Bowker and Martinez?
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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 22, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
My point was
did you HAVE to use Sanchez just because the batter was LH?
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This may well be true
But if the Giants make the playoffs, and Lopez remains an excellent LOOGY in October, then his importance to the team’s success will have been far greater than any of the other players the Giants have overpaid for (whether through free agency or trade) in the past few years.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
That's who I meant
so it’s not exactly like he’s a three-month rental
I’ll admit to knowing nothing about him, but have liked what I’ve seen, especially that he seems to be rubber-armed
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Lopez is the former Barry Bonds specialist. That’s all you need to know
by giant4life83 on Sep 22, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Ha
What makes it even more comical is that Lopez was considered successful against Bonds!
Considering
Bonds hit: 320/.485/.520 against Mike Myers (the supposed Bonds stopper)
True Bonds “stopper”:
Mike Bielecki: .086/.220/.200 8 SOs in 41 PAs
They were obviously desperate
Every team knew that, so the price was high. Still a good move, in hindsight (thought it was kind of silly at the time)
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
I don't know about that...
I don’t think anyone had a problem with Martinez for Lopez…it was the addition of Bowker that made many mad.
I, for one, did not think Bowker had much value and apparently neither did the Giants or most MLB teams
I'm with you
Martinez and Bowker were insignificant.
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"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
I’d move the Lopez deal to #3
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I still haven’t seen anything to convince me Ross is more than a cheaper version of Aaron Rowand.
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by EliminateMe on Sep 22, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Cheap versions of Aaron Rowand are good to have around
Assuming we’re talking 2008-2009 Rowand, who was ~ a 2 WAR player.
I meant 2010 Aaron Rowand
Small sample size, but Ross’s line as a Giant is abysmal, and his season line (.259/.313/.387) is no great shakes either.
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by EliminateMe on Sep 22, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
When you look at his past 3 years
He’s got an ~.800 OPS and above average defense at all three outfield positions.
That’s valueable – end if he’s having a slump season. Ross is a good player, and should be back next year, hopefully.
Ross isn’t a bad player but paying 18 million dollars for two Aaron Rowands? No thanks. Ross just doesn’t hit right handed pitching well at all and 6 million is far too much money for a guy who should only start against lefties and serve as a defensive replacement, especially when we’re already on the hook for 12 million dollars to a very similar player.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
yea, he’s a little better than Rowand, but we’re stuck with Rowand. I don’t want to pay 6 million dollars for a corner outfielder who will post a .716 OPS against most of the starting pitchers in the league when we’re already stuck paying 12 million dollars for a guy with a very similar skill-set. Rowand is still a fine defensive replacement. There’s absolutely no reason to carry both those guys next year, so would you rather have Rowand for 12 mil or cut Rowand and basically have Ross for 18 mil?
Thing A
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Correction
We’re stuck with Rowand’s salary, but not necessarily Rowand
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true
but that leads to: Rowand at 12 mil or Ross at 18 mil? I vote for Rowand or neither.
Thing A
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wouldn’t neither cost us 12 million too?
by The Double Deuce on Sep 23, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
The remarkable thing
Is that each of these deals has given the Giants some degree of positive value. When’s the last time that could be said of Sabean and his mid-year maneuverings?
Right now, I’d bump up Ramirez and Lopez ahead of Fontenot, and then I’d drop Ross to the bottom.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?
As fun as it is, I can't play the game of "If...then..."
I can’t speculate what the Giants would have done with Buster from day 1. The AAA exp. may have been more valuable than we can intuit.
Also, Sabean shan’t receive credit without the acknowledgement that he had to dance with a moron to get er dun.
With that said, I’ll give Sabean a light golf-clap, mostly for forcing Bochy’s hand. It DID take a monumental effort to crack THAT planetoid.
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
I AM PAT BURRELLZ'Z DADDY! (wait, that doesn't sound right)
Job 1:14-15
Just a reminder...
…of Jayson Stark’s take on the trade:
Bengie Molina can lead a staff. […] That guy’s a winner. And despite the presence of Buster Posey, that’s the big reason I think the Giants will come to regret that trade.
Widely mocked at the time he made it, the comment sounds even more ridiculous now.
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by EliminateMe on Sep 22, 2010 11:26 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Wow. I missed that, but wow. I understand that predicting future baseball performance is difficult, but that’s pretty bad.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 22, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd imagine his response Hank if he brings this up in a tweet...
I never said that! — jayson stark
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i think its time
that sports journalists should steer clear of evaluating players because they happened to win, or not win in the case of matt cain, in the past. “Hes a winner.” what does this statement even mean? evaluate the guy based on talent, not on some notion of “winning” in the past.
But then what would they write?
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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 22, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
lol That guy
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
The thing I really hate about this is that the Giants won exactly jackshit with Bengie Molina while he was here and they were on their way to winning a grand total of jackshit again this year with him starting.
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Kiss the ring jporny
You could be the bat boy for a world series team and sports journalists will call you a “winner” in every facet of your life after that.
Geez, what do you expect?
It’s Jayson Stark—a comedian, not a sports writer, however mis-cast these days. And he wasn’t even a funny comedian.
Sabean delenda est!
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SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE
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by EliminateMe on Sep 22, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I got one of those yesterday for MCC and MLBTR
Shake n bake!!!
by TehGreekStallion on Sep 22, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
This is going to be most exhilirating
pennant race. The road has been rough
pitching is our strength, will carry us into
contention! Plus good mix of youth with veteran leadership. Players are seriously having fun
chemistry 101
by Always Keep A Diamond in your mind on Sep 22, 2010 11:34 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
The weird line breaks make this look like a Confucian saying.
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What Is It That You Are Getting At?
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I Think I Know What You're Getting At
But from what I can see behind-the-scenes, it’s not the case
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The non-breaking space at the beginning of line 3 is very poetic.
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by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
It really does. I like it.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 22, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
i think it’s a tom waits reference.
get behind the mule
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by The Gene Hackman on Sep 22, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm still amazed
that he found a team willing to take Molina AND give us something somewhat useful in return.
If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.
I posted this on the PGT about an hour ago..
Just in case we needed another reason to deify Buster Posey Bengie Molina has put together this dogshit since arriving in Texas (.208/.254/.286)
#nobuyersremorse
Molina has to retire after this year, right? Right?
Quietly hoping Brandon Belt develops into John Olerud, circa 1993.
by AndOnTheDrums... on Sep 22, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
usually preferable to have actual good hitter at that position.
Otherwise it would just be called “D”.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
Can't spell DFA
without D
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by Giant Voodoo on Sep 22, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I think his gut is telling him to to Korea.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Sep 22, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Apparently there were 2 teams interested
and the Rangers was forced to give us something useful so they’ll get Molina. The Red Sox was apparently inquiring as well.
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Apparently Bengie was Texas' 2nd choice
but Dayton Moore refused to make Jason Kendall available. Seriously.
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
thank god for Dayton Moore
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"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Kendall was also playing for like 2 weeks
before the Royals noticed he COULD NOT LIFT HIS ARM OVER HIS HEAD
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
HAHAHAH
WOW
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Really? Man, Moore is stupid.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 22, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Tom Waits = Big Giants Fan
by Always Keep A Diamond in your mind on Sep 22, 2010 11:46 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
proof that we are God's team!
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Wait a minute
Didn’t he grow up in San Diego?
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Calling up MadBum also deserves some credit
That was not a widely appreciated move when it happened. Remember, he had to face the Red Sox (pre-plague) in his first start.
I think that was definitely one of those cases where management knew more about the player than the fans. Because with the information available to the fans, calling up Bumgarner was a huge risk. So I’ll give a big ups to those Giants scouts who knew more than me at the time.
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by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Definitely. I was against it, but I was (happily) wrong.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 22, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
In total agreement with you howie. That was a great move by the FO and pretty clear evidence that they know more than us sometimes.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
MadBum looks ready for a playoff run…and his velocity seems back as well. Ton of poise for a 21 year old.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
A lot of 21 year olds are jealous of all that poise.
by Every6thDay on Sep 22, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
meh
I’m counterpoise
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Cain set the poise bar pretty high
Mere mortals would have choked many teammates in his shoes
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
It'd serve them right for wearing his shoes!
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
Here is Crasnick's take on our deadline moves. Posted today on ESPN.com
San Francisco Giants acquire outfielder Jose Guillen and infielder Mike Fontenot in trades and add Cody Ross on a waiver claim in August. On July 31, the Giants pick up relievers Javier Lopez and Ramon Ramirez in trades
San Francisco GM Brian Sabean put in some long hours trying to add an impact bat at the July deadline, but wound up going for quantity in August. The results have been mixed.
Guillen has contributed some big hits here and there and drove in six runs in a 9-2 victory over Milwaukee on Sunday. The Giants claimed Ross on waivers in late August, partly to prevent him from going to San Diego, and assumed the $1.1 million left on his contract when Florida let him walk. Ross has one extra-base hit in 49 at-bats with San Francisco, but he’s still an upgrade over Aaron Rowand, who’s hitting .105 (6-for-57) since August and barely gets off the pine these days. The Giants suddenly had more at-bats available for Ross when Andres Torres went down with an appendectomy.
None of San Francisco’s late additions has had the impact of Pat Burrell, who signed a minor league deal on May 29 and doesn’t really qualify as a deadline acquisition.
Surprisingly, it’s the relievers who’ve stood out for San Francisco. Lopez and Ramirez have a combined 0.86 ERA in 42 innings. Fans who saw the two pitch in Boston might advise the Giants not to trust them with too much on the line, but manager Bruce Bochy has used them prudently and gotten the most out of them. They’ve played a big role in San Francisco’s playoff push.
Grade: B. Javier Lopez and Ramon Ramirez. Who knew?
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Surprisingly, it’s the relievers who’ve stood out for San Francisco. Lopez and Ramirez have a combined 0.86 ERA in 42 innings. .
HOLY FUCKING SHIT
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Sep 22, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I have to say
this team is pretty amazing when evaluating pitchers. They aren’t perfect, but man they have a really good idea. At least I Would like to think they knew Alderson would implode and that Bumgarner would be just fine, and that Lopez/Ramirez would bounce back.
Honorary parent of Duane Kuiper, beloved broadcaster and power hitting coach for the Giants.
by Giant Voodoo on Sep 22, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
i think some credit goes to coaching as well. MadBum looks like a different animal now than he did this Spring. Some of that credit should go to Rags and or Gardner.
Absolutely
Madbum answered all the question marks with exclamation points so far since his call up.
I’m sure that has a lot to do with the coaching, especially Rags.
Honorary parent of Duane Kuiper, beloved broadcaster and power hitting coach for the Giants.
by Giant Voodoo on Sep 22, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
My prediction:
Buster will outshine Jason Heyward
in playoff battles
by Always Keep A Diamond in your mind on Sep 22, 2010 11:57 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
My prediction is:
Buster outshines “J-Hey” kid
in playoff battles.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Sep 22, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
Rec’d for pure beauty.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 22, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
No reason this shouldn’t be green
Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
"Women are all unique and interesting. As such, no real set way of dealing with them is ever correct. You wouldn’t use the same set of numbers on every combination lock you came across." - Lars
by Prussian Creole on Sep 22, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
/flagged for ‘J-hey kid’
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 22, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
This
for some reason that nickname sets my teeth on edge.
Adopted Son: !Matt Downs I'll miss you my son.
mobile phone posting
note the time stamp addendum
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
I’m curious as to what it looks like on his/her phone. Whenever I’ve done mobile posting, I don’t have formatting like that.
I’m honestly not convinced that it’s in the least accidental.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Bradlybear army!
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 22, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Updated BP postseason odds
Giants are now at 57.96%, an increase of almost 9% from yesterday
Wow!
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
linky poo
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/ps_odds.php
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
ELO adjusted
66%
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AL
the 5th most likely team to make the playoffs is the As… at 0.7%
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Yeah, it's boring
The Yankees/Rays “race” isn’t even one.
It’s the only bummer about the WC.
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
Yeah, I like seeing comments from players about it. I bet players from both teams want to win the division, but as a fan it’s really boring.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 22, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
It does make you appreciate the NL
With the Braves, Rockies, Padres and Giants chasing two spots, it’s much more exciting
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
It's really a battle to find out who doesn't have to play the Twins
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
Yeah, the Rox and Braves losing really changed the picture
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
Pecota likes the braves.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Sep 22, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Not to win the west I hope.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
93, 93, why does that sound familiar…?
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Is that the year you got Herpes?
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Sep 22, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Sep 22, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, it’s capitalized.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m very proper aboot my diseases.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Step 1: Buy Stock in Merck
Step 2: Get Zito Drunk Around People
Step 3: Profit
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Sep 22, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
“People”, not “Ladies”, made me laugh.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 23, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Pecota
while a fine prediction algorithm is no longer useful in the NL race.
o The Giants of September are not the Giants of February used to make the PECOTA predictions
(Although I have no idea how they used Posey in their model)
o The Padres pitching staff was completely mis-predicted
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I also think the model fails to account for the possibility of the Giants winning the WC. I guess it makes sense that if they shit the bed badly enough to lose the division that they would be unlikely to win a 3-4 team wildcard race, but….
huh?
it explicitly gives them an 8% chance as of today (and 57% of winning the division)… so actually it seems to coincidentally agree with the ELO version (probably because the two factors I mention cancel, and the Braves are still way ahead in the WC no matter how what model you use for future RA/RS.)
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I dont’ understand how they are way ahead given their half game lead other than the fact that they are unlikely to win the east and the giants have a good chance of winning the west. I guess the simulations just end up with the braves winning the WC most of the time, but to me that discounts the fact that a team in the west (the rockies) might overperform and thus take the west from the giants.
PECOTA thinks the Giants are a better team than the Padres, in addition to having the better record.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
If the Rockies win the west, the Giants would probably have to collapse and would be out of the WC running anyways.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
PECOTA adjusts during the season and hey also use 2010 performance is a predictor, so that’s not true.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
did not know that
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The Giants need to be at least… 19.5 games up on the Rockies before heading into Colorado this weekend. I know, I know. It sounds crazy, but if the Rockies sweep, they’ll be 109 games ahead.
by Every6thDay on Sep 22, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
You now whats crazy is that this years Phillies team may be the best out of the last few years. Scary.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Sep 22, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
in other words,
stoppable
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I love how quickly the numbers change at this point in the year. Sure, wins earlier in the year are worth just as much, but September sure is fun/terrible if your team’s in it.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 22, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
OT: Oops?
LONDON (Reuters) – The Titanic hit an iceberg in 1912 because of a basic steering error, and only sank as fast as it did because an official persuaded the captain to continue sailing, an author said in an interview published on Wednesday.
Louise Patten, a writer and granddaughter of Titanic second officer Charles Lightoller, said the truth about what happened nearly 100 years ago had been hidden for fear of tarnishing the reputation of her grandfather, who later became a war hero.
Lightoller, the most senior officer to have survived the disaster, covered up the error in two inquiries on both sides of the Atlantic because he was worried it would bankrupt the ill-fated liner’s owners and put his colleagues out of a job.
“Instead of steering Titanic safely round to the left of the iceberg, once it had been spotted dead ahead, the steersman, Robert Hitchins, had panicked and turned it the wrong way.”
There he heard not only about the fatal mistake but also the fact that J. Bruce Ismay, chairman of Titanic’s owner the White Star Line persuaded the captain to continue sailing, sinking the ship hours faster than would otherwise have happened.
“If Titanic had stood still, she would have survived at least until the rescue ship came and no one need have died,” Patten said.
Woops, time to re-make the movie.
Jeaaaggaahh
by Soulbrother16 on Sep 22, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Giants OT: This article is pretty funny
Giants mentions:
32. Duane Kuiper, 1977 (1 homer)
Kuiper, my favorite player ever, has never come out and explained his power surge of 1977. He, hit 0 homers the year before, and 0 homers the year after and, frankly, 0 homers in the other 3,753 plate appearances of his career. So what happened in 1977? I prefer to believe he was clean.
25. Rich Aurilia, 2001 (37 homers)
That remarkable 2001 season — .324/.369/.572, a 146 OPS+ — came out of nowhere. It wasn’t only the spike in home runs. His Wins Above Replacement that year was 6.5 — that’s MVP territory. His WAR the rest of his career combined was 3.7.
10. Barry Bonds, 2001 (73 homers)
I have little doubt that if managers had actually pitched to Bonds in 2002, 2003 and 2004, he would have had more 60-plus homer seasons. As it turns out, except for 2001, Bonds never had even a 50-homer season.
In 2004, Bonds’ absurd dominance — however it was achieved — really did make a mockery of the game. He was intentionally walked 120 times. I’m willing to bet that we will never see anything like that again in our lifetimes. Bonds’ at-bat-per-homer in 2001 was a comical 6.5 — and nobody, not even Bonds himself, has ever been close to that. Nobody else has even managed a homer every 7.0 at-bats. The only players in baseball history to have a homer even every 9.0 at-bats are: Bonds (four times), Mark McGwire (four times) and Babe Ruth (once).
I bow to Joe Posnanski.
That dude is amazing. Love the Kuiper line.
#15 was a Giant
Willard Marshall. Where is the love?
by iloveddickdietz on Sep 22, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I love Poz
The Kuiper line made me L O L
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
kuip
Still my favorite Kuip quote came four years ago or so when the Giants were at Great American Ballpark. One of the Giants, may have been Shea Hillenbrand, hit an incredibly cheap homerun to left that would have been caught ten feet in front of the warning track at AT&T. Kuip, in his typical off-handed, understated manner, says, “If I’d played here, I would have had two.”
by non sequitur on Sep 22, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
Only Problem
Some of these guys sound like what might be happening to Pablo….
Now that Sabean has been given some credit...
I have to ask, “Are we sure that it was Sabean that initiated this deal?”
Could it be that it was really the Rangers who wanted Bengie so badly that they initiated this trade? If you remember at the time many of the baseball pundits thought Sabean was nuts for trading Bengie and that he didn’t get enough in return.
Did Sabean luck into this move? I think he did and I think we owe a big “thank you” to the Rangers. If Sabean was the instigator of this deal, I doubt the Giants would have done as well as they did in getting Ray and not having to eat some of Bengie’s salary.
I do still agree though that he should get credit for considering and accepting the offer. Then again, as poorly as Molina was playing he would have been crazy not to at least consider a deal.
Or it could be that Sabean called the Rangers knowing that they need a catcher
sold them on the “benefits” of Bengie and said…can we also have Ray and Main?
Ray and Main sounds like an intersection.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
it should remain one if so.
Honorary parent of Duane Kuiper, beloved broadcaster and power hitting coach for the Giants.
by Giant Voodoo on Sep 22, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Coos, NH, or Pinal, AZ? What's your pleasure? There's even one in Alameda!
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
One too many i's:
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Damn
I totally should’ve gotten that. I grew up in Pleasanton.
OH SNAP!
me too.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
I'm still here in Pleasanton
When they trade for Hopyard and West Las Positas, I’m on it!
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
I said it upthread
but apparently the Rangers tried to get Jason Kendall first. Still Sabean deserves credit for at least pulling the trigger
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
OT
I can’t remember the last time The Onion had a headline this good.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
I approve of this article
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis who is stuck in the baseball purgatory called extended spring training.
LOL
I don’t translate to paper
Waking up stressed out because you’ve been running from zombies all night is a stupid way to spend your adulthood. - Howie
Article link reply fail.
Waking up stressed out because you’ve been running from zombies all night is a stupid way to spend your adulthood. - Howie
This headline skirts the bounds of bad taste (okay, it totally crosses over), but it’s also pretty great.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
OT: Roberto Clemente award
You can vote for Affeldt (or Tool-o, or others if you prefer) here: http://mlb.mlb.com/sponsors/chevy/clemente/y2010/
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Ah this might be my favorite moment of the year
As it was the first time I shunned Giants baseball in my life.
And then, Buster Posey granted my wishes, because Buster Posey.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
At this moment I would like to thank the Rays, Pirates, Royals and Orioles
…for not drafting Buster Posey
by capn on Sep 22, 2010 12:48 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Also, I would like to thank the Giants for not hiring me as GM, because I would have drafted Smoak.
by Evan on Sep 22, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Did you look at his stats before saying that? .338/.406/.571 between A+ and AA as a 20 year old this year.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
the funny thing is that i am rushing to get out of here so i only looked at the fact that he is in AA and failed to recognize that he is still 20 years old and put up a .980 ops this year at AA. Fuck me!
Hey, he was pretty awful last year, so I can understand why you’d say that. But I do have to think the Royals are happy they have him in their system (though I’m sure they’d love to have a Posey too)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Apparently he had LASIK and that made a difference
and what’s even more insane is that he is the Royals 3rd best position prospect. That system is loaded
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
Maybe Pablo should get LASIK. That would fix everything.
/wishfulthinking
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
If only they weren’t the Royals.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 22, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL u
no, seriously, I went through the exact same double take earlier this year.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
At least he’s young?
The other three picks are at least defensible though. So that’s nice for them.
I have to imagine Buster would go first if they re-did the draft today? Is there anyone else in contention for it?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Let's just stick with
Golden Spikes winners
by iloveddickdietz on Sep 22, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Lincecum, Posey, Will Clark
Yeah, I’m down
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Posey would have to go first, but after that, who knows? Hosmer, Matusz, GBecks, Crow, Christian Friedrich?
I think one of the only reasons he wasn’t first was because of his contract demands…wasn’t he asking for like 8m or something?
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
OT: Infant Formula recall
Drugmaker Abbott Laboratories said Wednesday it is recalling millions of containers of powder-based infant formula that may be contaminated with insect parts.
The voluntary action affects less than 5 million Similac-brand powder formulas sold in the U.S., Puerto Rico, Guam and some Caribbean countries. The company said the products may contain a small beetle or larvae, which could cause stomach ache and digestion problems.
http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_16142525?source=rss
Sorry for the OT but having a 11 month old makes me very sensitive to these things…thank goodness we don’t use Similac
holy shit
JeffFletcherAOL I was firmly on Heyward over Posey for ROY because of 2 extra months playing time, but I gotta admit Posey is making a push. Tough call.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Wasn’t Heyward on the DL for two weeks? So one-and-a-half months.
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 22, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I think if Posey can come close to matching Heywards HR out put and our hit the 20 hr mark the award is his.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Sep 22, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Buster Posey: 364 AB, 15 HR, 62 RBI, .324/.373/.522
Jason Heyward: 482 AB, 18 HR, 71 RBI, .286/.401/.475
Heyward gets on base more and plays a very good RF; Posey hits for better average and better power, and plays a more premium position that makes his numbers look THAT MUCH better because they are so much further above average for his position.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
Isn't this the same moron that said the Giants would miss Molina because of how touch the cather position is?
Yet he ignores it when discussing ROY.
Jeff Fletcher’s a fucking moron.
Just saying…
Heyward had a pretty bad drop of fly ball in the outfield the other day
that possibly caused Atlanta a loss.
If Posey keeps getting big hits and throwing out runners the next couple of weeks I think he wins it.
Also
The Gs making the postseason and the Braves not making the postseason would also help BMFP’s cause.
I’m not necessarily saying it should, just that it would.
"Buster Posey" anagram = OYSTER PUBES
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Sep 22, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL. Alcohol sweating,hungover
Minnesota Twins sober up and comeback to beat the Indians. THAT is the true test of a tough team
by iloveddickdietz on Sep 22, 2010 12:55 PM PDT reply actions
That is an incredible team...
Loses Morneau and Mauer and in competition for best record in baseball…
Of course playing in the AL Central helps.
Records against:
AL East: 14-18
AL Cent: 45-20
AL West: 24-12
June 21-23, 2011
Git yur tix now ,you know!
by iloveddickdietz on Sep 22, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
OT: The Greatest Thing in the History of Mankind
Fire Joe Morgan ripping an article praising that elf David Eckstein.
That
ruled.
“I hope that’s not the case,” Black said recently. "He’s a baseball player with talent. One thing I think gets overlooked: he can play.
IT IS NOT OVERLOOKED. IT IS ALL ANYONE EVER FUCKING TALKS ABOUT.
You know who’s overlooked? Adrian Fucking Gonzalez. Nobody in the world outside of Adrian Gonzalez’s immediate family has any idea he even exists, much less that he is one of the very best hitters in the world. A reporter recently asked Yorvit Torrealba to talk about how good Adrian Gonzalez has been for the Pads this year, and Torrealba said, “There is no one on our team by that name. You are mistaken. Perhaps you mean to ask about David Eckstein?” Then he directed the reporter over to a velvet-roped-off area down the left field line where David Eckstein was standing on a giant lazy susan, like a 20-foot Bowrider at a boat show, rotating slowly as thousands of screaming journalists took his picture so they could say they once got the chance to see the great David Eckstein in person. And while this was happening, Adrian Gonzalez, who has a .922 OPS hitting in fucking Petco every night, was outside gnawing on discarded chicken wings in a dumpster because he doesn’t even get paid for playing baseball, because nobody knows who he is. That’s a true story, people.
"Buster Posey" anagram = OYSTER PUBES
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Sep 22, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
This one is hilarious.
The new Reds play defense and ignore the couches. They bounce around the clubhouse, mingling with each other and ducking the schoolboy shenanigans of [Mike] Leake, a scruffy sort who looks like he made it to the ballpark after playing hooky in high school, probably by riding his skateboard out of there. I watched Leake in the Reds’ clubhouse for 20 seconds before the game Wednesday, and in those 20 seconds he slapped the naked ass of Reds executive and Hall of Famer Joe Morgan and playfully goosed a (dressed) teammate with a bat handle.
“Let’s just all take a deep breath and try to figure this out. Because as the old saying goes: “We either figure out why Joe Morgan was walking around the Reds clubhouse naked together…or we die alone.”
Waking up stressed out because you’ve been running from zombies all night is a stupid way to spend your adulthood. - Howie
My favorite
This column is dedicated to A. J. Burnett because he is responsible for it. More precisely, his won-lost record gave me the idea for it. The idea centers on a question: how can a starting pitcher on a winning team have a losing record?
I’m going to spend the next two minutes, exactly, trying to come up with a less interesting question about baseball than “how can a starting pitcher on a winning team have a losing record?” Ready? Start the clock!
Why do they call it baseball?
Where does the word “glove” come from?
How can a player on one team play for another team in the same season?
Who is the tallest Baltimore Oriole?
Where can I get tickets to a baseball game?
Are some pitchers just total dicks?
What is John Olerud up to these days?
Why aren’t the seats more comfortable at baseball games?
Does Felipe Lopez have a catchphrase, and if so what is it?
Does Carl Pavano like playing in Minnesota?
Has there ever been a home run that went, like, really far?
Did John Olerud ever hit over .300?
Have you heard that story about Rickey Henderson and John Olerud?
What is John Olerud’s name?
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
That is fucking brilliant
Also, fuck David Eckstein, or whatever pithy slogan we’re currently using to dismiss him.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Sorry for the gif
But I think this pretty much explains a Sabean and Bochy situation
*Sabean is the lighter colored one
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I just watched this and struggled to supress laughter in my cube
everything is funnier when a nervous little chihuahua does it
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I loved the surprised look on his face when tries to back out and the whole thing goes with him.
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by say hey nation on Sep 22, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't stop watching it
I also like how when he gets stuck, his little back legs are going 100 mph
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LOL
I love when his companion just bolts out of there with no regard for him friend. He’s like the older brother tricking the younger brother into doing something stupid so that he can benefit from it.
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"Women are all unique and interesting. As such, no real set way of dealing with them is ever correct. You wouldn’t use the same set of numbers on every combination lock you came across." - Lars
by Prussian Creole on Sep 22, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey Peeps
I saw a Brett Favre news conference about to start on ESPN! “Next on ESPN!”
Then …nothing!? Now nothing anywhere about it. I thought he was going to retire and now not even on ESPN site! WTF?
by iloveddickdietz on Sep 22, 2010 1:20 PM PDT reply actions
Sweet Zombie Jesus
if Favre carries his dramatic bullshit to the regular season now I will just about fly to Minnesota just to punch his in the gut.
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by Giant Voodoo on Sep 22, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
WTF is this
keithlaw $500 RT @dmc0603 okay, oakland announcers just compared chris carter to hank aaron. in @keithlaw’s world, that’s at least a $5 fine.
Did they seriously do that? Jesus Christ. I mean, for awhile there I was beginning to wonder who was going to get a hit first, Chris Carter of the recently released Lindsay Lohan.
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Yes, they did.
They are searching for anything to be excited.
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by Giant Voodoo on Sep 22, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
TV or radio?
Please say TV. Ken Korach is a friend…
Chris Carter just struck out while that was tweeted
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
When the Giants spend money, they get shitty players. When they don’t, they get good players. Science.
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 22, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m fairly certain they didn’t keep him down long enough to avoid Super 2.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
..
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Since Leonard has been mentioned and it's Hobbit Day
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If there is one thing I really hate if/when the Cardinals are elminated
Poor Randy Winn. This has to be the end of the line for him, and no playoffs =/
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Free Agent in 2016 instead of 2015 if I’m correct. I think it’s worth it.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Yeah
although that could’ve been achieved by keeping him in AAA for like 3 weeks
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
No.
Because of that call up last year, it had to be a month + three weeks. IIRC, his 2010 debut was only about a week after the deadline passed.
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Oh really?
Makes that call up last year even more stupid
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
No...
that’s Sabean’s choice to bring Buster up rather than wait…there was a great SBN article about it…
If Sabean was looking just at money…he could have waited until August to call Buster up and save a year…
If Sabean was just looking at money, there was no difference between calling Buster up pretty much at any point past mid-June in 2009 and having him debut on opening day 2010. The only rational way to explain the Giants’ behavior (IMO, at least) is that Posey’s lackluster performance in spotty playing time made Sabean reconsider handing him the opening day job this season.
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Does anyone else remember that right after the trade, Bochy claimed he was going to give Whiteside the bulk of playing time at catcher? Thank god THAT never happened.
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"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Man, Bochy can really piss me off. I wish he weren’t so good with the players and pitching staff so I could just completely hate him.
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 22, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
UR ONLY HAPPY WHEN TEH GIANTS LOSE
Waking up stressed out because you’ve been running from zombies all night is a stupid way to spend your adulthood. - Howie
Didn't the media bolt like sheep right after that
and go ask Sabean how much playing time Buster’d get? His answer was “most of it” and that put Bochy squarely in the Idiot’s Chair. Sometimes I think Sabean and Bochy really deserve each other, but nobody deserves the two of them together.
by mrs. owlcroft on Sep 22, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Lineup
Ross CF
F Sanchez 2B
Huff 1B
Posey C
Burrell LF
Guillen RF
Sandoval 3B
Uribe SS
J Sanchez SP
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
funny how randomly getting Ross, a WTF move at the deadline
is a godsend one injury later. Depth is NEVER bad.
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Because Rowand has been that bad, and Ross is a better defensive player. Also, going forward, I have more trust in Ross than Rowand.
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I like Ross better too, but the difference between the two is pretty small. I reserve “godsend” for folks like Torres or Posey.
ross is a godsend in that he prevents Rowand from being the starting CF
and rowand is hitting .105/.175/.190 in 63 PA since august 1
And Ross is .204/.286/.224 in 56 PAs as a Giant.
If that’s a godsend, I demand a new god.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
Also, Ross has hit the ball further than 200 ft in the past month
Rowand has not.
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Sep 22, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
that’s not bad luck- he just makes such poor contact
by giant4life83 on Sep 22, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
i think Ross is on the verge of a hot streak. mark my wor… wait a minute… we’ll never find out once Torres returns in a few days!!
by giant4life83 on Sep 22, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
if it ain't broke
don’t fix it. we scored ONE run yesterday what can go wrong!
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Didn’t this lineup score 9 runs on Sunday though?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
science!
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What do you have against this?
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I've spent the last half-hour reading FJM on deadspin
And I am crying with laughter right now.
This is probably my fave so far:
http://deadspin.com/5644408/extra-extra-jeter-has-best-year-yet
fucking runs
I loved the albom one
dude got FUCK.ING. CRUSHED.
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I love how Caple saves this zinger for the last paragraph…
By the way, Albert Pujols led the majors in runs last season. It was the fourth season he’s done that. No other active player has done it more than once.
…of course Pujols also led the league in HR, OBP, SLG, total bases and BEING ALBERT FREAKING PUJOLS.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
I just want to say
Sabean delenda est!!!
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Sorry, it's a lot more fun and accurate to just shit on sabean's moves
so I’m gonna do that. He does some stuff right, but mostly he’s just not a good baseball general manager and should be fired.
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by bondslegend on Sep 22, 2010 2:12 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
SO THERE
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Sabean's not the best but he's at least average
Turned the Giants around in when he came in 1996 and kept the Giants winning between 1997-2004
2004-2008 were bad but a lot of that was due to trying to “win now” with Bonds…in the interim the Giants drafted well enough to get arguably the top starting rotation and best closer and a ROY candidate and whatever Panda is going to be.
2009-2010…the result of the good draft and some good FA pickups.
Mistakes were made (Zito, Rowand, Renteria) but almost all GMs do that…
I think I could name over 15 better GM’s than him. The only reason he might be average is because the worst GMs are that terrible.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
Whoever is in:
Kansas City
Baltimore
Cleveland
Arizona
Seattle
Washington
Florida
New York Mets
Chicago Cubs
Houston
Pittsburgh
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
I mean those better than him
However, I would add to that list
Los Angeles Bums
Yankees (Cashman is way way overrated)
it's hard to have a 200 mil payroll and not win the WS every year
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Cashman is way way overrated
Wow. Overrated a little but not that overrated. Dude is good
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by say hey nation on Sep 23, 2010 6:32 AM PDT up reply actions
How does that old saying go.
Cashman was born on third base, he didn’t hit a triple.
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Question
If we were to discover definitively that somes of Sabeans most egregious moves (Zito contract and punting draft picks) came at the direction of Magowan and were in spite of Sabean’s protests, would you call Sabean a “good general manager”?
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Depends
In this hypothetical world, whose call was Pierzynski?
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
Pierzynski is the one to blame for Pierzynski
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 22, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
This is an understated point
Sure, AJ had a bad year – but it was still an OK year for a catcher, and he still had more years of team control.
If AJ Pierzynski is a nice guy, I think that ends up being a fine trade. We have no one to blame for how it went down but AJ.
AJ Pierzynski could have been an above average catcher for his (IIRC) 3 years of team control, and still never come close to being worth Nathan and Liriano.
Good god, imagine if the Giants still had Liriano.
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I don't really remember.
I remember Liriano being a high upside long shot, but I also remember that Boof’s development had stalled and his stock was dropping (much like Alderson last season, though with better stuff).
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Never mind Boof or Liriano
I’d let them keep both along with Pierzynski if they just gave back Nathan.
Consider this list:
Matt Herges, Dustin Hermanson, Armando Benitez, Tyler Walker, Mike Stanton, Tim Worrell, Brad Hennessey.
What two things do they all have in common?
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they suck
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"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Worrell didn't suck.
Hermanson was ok as well, particularly the year after the Giants let him walk.
I actually find it rather funny that the Giants managed to find and give away two decent stop gap closers (Worrell, Hermanson) and an elite closer (Nathan) while they themselves went through perhaps the most retched string of late game relief in living Giants fan memory.
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I don't know
Worrell was pretty good, Herges was as well
Hermanson was also okay.
Benitez was decent for a while but would blow up at the worst time..
Benitez was decent for a while but would blow up at the worst time
which was, like, whenever he pitched? That guy sucked, and sucked hard.
BB/9 of 5 with Giants.
"Bengie Molina - the quintessential double play possibility." - Jon MIller
Yeah...but you can't play that game...
Liriano was known to be good but a serious injury risk (I wonder what happened when he went to the Twins)
Nathan was also good but never Brian Wilson good while he was on the Giants
Boof was the key to the trade as one of the top prospects at the time.
If there is one thing Sabean has done better than any other GM is evaluating pitching prospects…
Nathan was also good but never Brian Wilson good while he was on the Giants
I’ve got to disagree with this. Nathan’s 2003 season was ridiculously good.
If there is one thing Sabean has done better than any other GM is evaluating pitching prospects…
I’ll disagree with this as well. The Giants didn’t become really good at producing major league pitching talent until AFTER the Pierzynski trade. Before then, their reputation was built on highly-ranked pitching prospects who generally didn’t pan out (Foppert, Ainsworth, Williams, all those guys they traded to the Marlins). Ortiz was really the only home-grown pitching success story, and he was drafted before Sabean became GM.
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But most of those guys got traded
Sabean used them as bargaining chips to get some pretty good pieces…
When you find Lincecum, Sanchez, Bumgarner, and Cain…you are better than any one else in my book
Even the ATL did not draft all their SPs in the 90s…Maddux was drafted by the Cubs and Smoltz was drafted by the Tigers.
What does getting traded have to do with anything?
When you find Lincecum, Sanchez, Bumgarner, and Cain…you are better than any one else in my book
None of those guys were in the majors in 2002/3 offseason, hell, only Cain had been drafted.
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What?
You are mixing my points…
I first talked about Sabean using “high pitching prospects” to bring in MLB players to help the big club.
After which, he proceeded to draft four of the five pitchers in arguably the best starting rotation in the MLB. Not to mention Wilson and Romo and maybe Wheeler.
I first talked about Sabean using "high pitching prospects" to bring in MLB players to help the big club.
But that’s got nothing to do with the Giants’ ability to identify pitching talent, just their ability to trade it. Unless you think the Giants purposely drafted pitchers who looked good in the minors but would fail in the majors just to be used as trade chips.
After which, he proceeded to draft four of the five pitchers in arguably the best starting rotation in the MLB. Not to mention Wilson and Romo and maybe Wheeler.
The draft and scouting system changed in the interim, the people evaluating talent for the Giants in 2002 weren’t the same ones making the decisions on Lincecum and Bumgarner.
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Not exactly
but the Giants were really good about trading prospects away at the their high points…just like the Niners used to let FAs go just at the right time.
Of course, in both cases there are exceptions (Nathan and Iiarano for the Giants and Ronnie Lott for the Niners) but overall pretty good track record.
The draft and scouting system did change but Sabean was the top guy. He would also be responsible for hiring the systems after 2002.
Also don't forget
that the Giants got Jason Schmidt for nothing and did not resign him to a 3 year $47 million deal.
Of course Giants did sign Zito but at least he has been pitching (also not sure whether that was a Sabean decision or not).
???
Dodgers signed Schmidt to that deal…Giants paid Schmidt 21 million for the 3 years he was here…
Matt Morris was hurt and then traded mid way through his contract
We're both wrong.
The Giants signed Schmidt for 4 year/ 35 million with a 10M option (which they exercised), so 5/45 total.
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Wiki says 5/41 but whatever
$9 million a year is pretty good for arguably the best RH SP in the NL between 2001 and 2006.
LOL arguing with calbear
LOL fruitless
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If we had Liriano
We might not pick Lincecum, Posey and Bumgarner.
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Good point.
The Giants should have traded away their best players last season so they could draft Bryce Harper.
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The Giants were terrible at drafting long before they decided to punt picks.
If anything, I think their draft futility led to the punting. And the turn around seems to have come when the team completely re-vamped its draft scouting/decision making structure. I’d have to know whether Sabean decided to clean house, or he was directed to.
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Whatever the case...he did an awesome job
Look at the core of this Giants team, 80 percent is homegrown.
I'm sorry
I don’t buy that shit for a second. If that was indeed the case, then he couldn’t really do anything about it. But when Theo epstein is interviewed in public, it’s obvious that he knows a lot about what makes a baseball team good. When Brian Sabean is interviewed in public, it’s obvious that he is a total fucking moron.
Oh, and it’s also obvious because HE FAILED TO WIN WITH ONE OF THE BEST FUCKING PLAYERS TO EVER PLAY THE GAME. I find it hilarious that people still defend him. In the best case, he’s a big ole pile of mediocre.
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by bondslegend on Sep 22, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously
he had barry bonds for 14 years and made one world series. That is unbefuckinglievable.
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Yeah, I agree
Like I said he’s a had a good 2010, but it’s time to move on IMO
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
If his 2010 was good, doesn't the improvement the team showed in 2009 count as well?
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No
because everyone running the team seriously thought bengie fucking molina would be the answer at catcher all year this season. If they didn’t, they wouldn’t have given him so much money when nobody else wanted him, and wouldn’t have hit him cleanup.
They were probably ACTUALLY surprised when he wasn’t good. That is why I want new management. I want management that knows a mid-30s catcher who’s already totally valueless will NOT GET MORE VALUABLE A YEAR LATER.
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Because even I know that
and I don’t know shit about baseball.
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so to sum up
his best moves in the past 5 years or so are (1) getting something in return for molina, who never ever ever should have been re-signed, much less at the outrageous one-year pay thrown at him, and (2) getting something in return for matt morris, for the same reason?
damn the faint praise! full speed ahead!
finding torres in the dumper is what he should be given credit for. and all the mid-season moves seem to be working out swimmingly, especially lopez and ramirez, but unfortunately except for ross they seem to have aged the roster quite a bit. hooray for your 2010 giants; look out for your 2012 giants.
call me when he makes the majors and sticks
hopefully sandoval’s sophomore jinx isn’t a junior jinx. or posey is going to be pretty lonely in a few years.
not forgetting anything
huff wasn’t a total scrapheap job- he cost $3M
i said the midseason moves went well
uncertain how much drafting is him, or tidrow, or whomever
To one Mr Brian Sabean
Bravo on that trade, good sir! To actually get decent players in return? Shocking! Kudos.
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I'm drinking really good tea :D
Of course, it’s also 50 bucks for 150grams…
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It's Li Shan Tea, which is a high altitude region in Taiwan
http://www.teagenius.com/tea-growing-areas-of-asia/taiwans-li-shan-pear-mountain.html
The tea plantations of Li Shan range in altitude from 1600 meters to 2600 meters. These are the highest tea plantations in the world and produce tea which is renowned for its superior quality.
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Hmm, I just spent ~$120 on 350 g of tea, but four different varieties of China’s 10 famous teas. Factoring in $3 shipping from Hong Kong >.>
I got all kinds of tea at home now, my father brought a bunch over from Taiwan. He is a tea connoisseur.
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I started drinking a lot more tea about three years ago when I got tired of the upset stomachs from drinking coffee. Started with simple teas that I can buy here, or in Chinatown, but after I brought back a kilogram of Hongzhou’s west lake (xi wu? or something like that) longjing two years ago, I’ve been trying the other supposed good teas of China.
Currently drinking dong ting bi luo chun (really delicious and fragrant green tea) and lu an gua pian (another green tea, more grassy and earthy notes, but clean without any aftertaste) between home and work, while lining up my next half a year’s worth of tea with my recent order.
Try Oriental Beauty (or eastern beauty) from Taiwan if you like it slightly sweet. It is really good. I went through 300g of it last year.
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How many grams does one typically use to brew a cup (or more likely a pot) of tea (this high-end tea of which you speak)?
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depends on the pot, but generally speaking, 150grams lasts about 25 small pots for me.
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I know all about pot—I was asking about tea.
(thanks :~)
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OT
Factoring in $3 shipping from Hong Kong
Why is always $3 to ship from Hong Kong, but $9.95 sgipping and handling from LA ?
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They charge extra for the sex?
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 22, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
“gipping and handling”
Nice freudian slip.
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I started drinking a lot more tea about three years ago when I got tired of the upset stomachs from drinking coffee
Fewer stomach aches and less jitters, too. Tea is so superior.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
try eating something
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I love tea, but I am generally happy just drinking the Budweiser of tea. Tea and beer are my favorite drinks, but I drink them totally differently.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Tea and beer are my two favorite beverages (other than water) now as well. I only drink 2-3 beers total a week, but I try to seek out better beers now.
Started really drinking a lot of craft beer ~4 years ago with simple SN PA and Fat Tire, then bigger beers like IPA’s and stouts. Reading Beeradvocate and Ratebeer has been a terrible influence, as I’ve been actively seeking out the better Belgian beers, or limited releases from the US.
I am also addicted to Beer Advocate.
In fact, tonight I drank one of these: http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/1199/7463
and am now drinking one of these: http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/389/1115/?sort=high&start=0
I have a problem.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
OT: Pot and Kettle Meeting
espn
New York Jets coach Rex Ryan tells his players to stop embarrassing the franchise – http://es.pn/9KZCAm
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
He should also tell Jets fans to stop embarrassing the franchise.
RXMEISTER BURN
(Just kidding, buddy)
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
Giants OT: Heath Hembree & Chuckie Jones make BA's AZL top 20
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/league-top-20-prospects/2010/2610706.html
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
Ooh…I would love to see the name Chuckie Jones do well.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 22, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL 3:1 K:BB ratio
also Hembree didn’t walk anyone this year!
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
Watching the re-broadcast of yesterday's game on Comcast
…Buster just hit one over the 400 ft sign in dead center…just as good as the first time I saw it.
I had forgotten that Kruk said something about the pitcher going to get into trouble if he keeps getting into 3-1 counts and then Buster launched it.
i noticed he said that right before he hit the HR too, lol. something like “he’s not setting himself up for an easy inning with these hitters counts” or something
by giant4life83 on Sep 22, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
So would the Rockies taking the WC would be in our best interest? As then we would face the Reds (easier opponent) while I personally think the only team that could stop PHI would be COL. What do ya guys think? of course I’m looking ahead, and we don’t know who makes it and who doesn’t, but wouldn’t this be a best case scenario?
I would be ok with this.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
I just worry about playing the Rockies in the playoffs. Of course, I worry about everything in the playoffs. But really, it will come down to the Giants hitters getting hot. If that happens, they should go deep in the playoffs.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 22, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
We played the Phillies hard
Even near the beginning of the year when they were relatively injury free, we played them well enough to sweep (lost one on that fucking bloop double by Werth). We didn’t do as well when we visited CBP, but I still think we match up decently against either them or the Reds.
I mean, the Reds aren’t as good as the Phils, but it’s not something I’m worried about.
I’m more worried about ATL in the playoffs, because of Fulton County Stadium.
by giant4life83 on Sep 22, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think you have much to worry about anymore
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwtbhqt9L84
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
lol i thought it was still called Fulton County. that makes sense, hahaha
by giant4life83 on Sep 22, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
i mean, if it came down to ATL or PHI, im worried about both just as much.
by giant4life83 on Sep 22, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I have a ton of Padre fan friends
a Giants-Padres NLCS would be too much fun for us
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
I would actually love that, but I don’t see the Giants and Padres making the playoffs at this point. Well, Atlanta could tank…maybe it is possible.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 22, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Padres are a game behind the Braves
Atlanta wouldn’t exactly have to “tank” for the Padres to catch them
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
now that we have our own little Ecksten hex midget, we can ensure 3 of those losses :)
by giant4life83 on Sep 22, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
this falls into the category of watching what you wish for...
let’s just pass the Reds and make it moot
so if we finish with a better record than CIN, assuming ATL and PHI take the Div and WC, we play ATL?
/shivers
by giant4life83 on Sep 22, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
no matter how it’s cut, most important is that we play CIN. and the only way for that to happen is if the WC comes out of the West (STL will be eliminated)
by giant4life83 on Sep 22, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
so 2-2-1. if we could split in ATL, we’d have a real good shot
by giant4life83 on Sep 22, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
i hate home field in the div round.
maybe it is because both times we have had it we lost (2000 and 2003), but it puts a lot of pressure on winning both games 1 and 2. I liked going on the road in 2002. I would love to see home/road stats for LDS
Actually just found this...
Just once in 12 years has the best team in both leagues advanced to the World Series. That happened in 1999, when the Yankees swept the Braves. The World Series, which once promised to match the best team in each league for baseball superiority, now almost never delivers on that initial promise. There have been almost as many World Series over the past 12 years in which neither team advanced to the Fall Classic (five) as one with either of them (seven). So while fans and media will focus on the Twins’ 48-23 home record as reason for them to press hard for the No. 1 seed, history shows that it doesn’t mean very much.
How about simply having home-field advantage in the first round, something the Yankees and Rays are currently battling for in the AL East? Since 1998, teams with the home-field advantage are, by series, 45-39 in the postseason. That may sound like an edge, but remember that the team with home-field advantage is usually, though not always, the better team based on regular-season performance.
Anyone know tonight's expected weather in Chicago?
No delays, please.
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Sep 22, 2010 3:13 PM PDT reply actions
Isolated thunderstorms tonight and tomorrow. I’m more concerned about the weather tomorrow. Even though it’s a short flight from Chicago to Denver, you don’t want the Giants getting in late and being out of sorts Friday night for The Biggest Regular Season Series in the History of Mankind.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
Coming at you from South Lakeshore Dr/Downers Grove, IL
Actually, pretty decent weather right now. 74, muggy, little breeze. It’s not supposed to rain much, if at all. Tomorrow is supposed to be be hot (low 90s) with a pretty good chance of thunderstorms.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
low 90s with a chance of t-storms… that’s the midwest, all right
by giant4life83 on Sep 22, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Happy 中秋節, Everybody.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Say hi to Bachan
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
Shalom
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Sep 22, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
OT: Super Harvest Moon
Sept. 22, 2010: For the first time in almost 20 years, northern autumn
is beginning on the night of a full Moon. The coincidence sets the stage
for a “Super Harvest Moon” and a must-see sky show to mark the change
of seasons.
Usually, the Harvest Moon arrives a few days to weeks before or after
the beginning of fall. It’s close, but not a perfect match. The Harvest
Moon of 2010, however, reaches maximum illumination a mere six hours
after the equinox.
This has led some astronomers to call it the “Harvestest Moon” or a
“Super Harvest Moon.” There hasn’t been a comparable coincidence since
Sept 23, 1991, when the difference was about 10 hours, and it won’t happen
again until the year 2029.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
SUPER HARVEST MOON!?!?!?!
Does the moon go berserk with shiny yellow hair sticking straight up?
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Andres the Giant
extrabaggs
Andres Torres much improved today. Still questionable for Colorado this weekend, but outlook better than yesterday.
Followup:
Torres probably will be used off the bench initially, Bochy said.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 22, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
best news of the year (other than trading bengie)
by giant4life83 on Sep 22, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't push it.
I remember when my dog buster her stitches from getting spayed. My vet said she was about this close (imagine me pinching my fingers together) to spilling her intestines.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
Just another indication of what a great bunch of guys on this team. And I agree—take it slow.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
i trust the team of doctors and Torres judgement over my own opinion of what is best for him and the team
by giant4life83 on Sep 22, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
But, wait!
Sure, sure, Buster is really Saint Buster and all that.
However, didn’t the pitching staff go through a horrible slump after he started handling them? I am completely behind Buster and glad Bengie found a happy home on some other roster.
But, the pitchers were not dealing very well with it, especially Lincecum. In the end, they are all now happy, but it is just as valid to blame the pitching slump on the change to the Rookie Catcher, as it is to say that the team would have a much better record if he had been catcher from day one. There is no way to substantiate that claim and a great deal of evidence to suggest that his presence hurt the team for awhile as much as it helped it.
I am glad that period of poor pitching is over and that they all seem to be comfortable.
It has been a remarkable year and promises to be great fun for awhile more. Dodges can’t say that!
/grabs popcorn and sits back to watch the fireworks
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 22, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
naw
for once, we’re just bored of answering retarded, trolling questions.
I blame our new found maturity.
Sucking up to Grant for a mod position since 2009
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
I dunno
but I did turn 38 today
/lold
Sucking up to Grant for a mod position since 2009
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Happy birthday!
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 22, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I share a birthday with
Frodo and Bilbo Baggins and two bits of evil: a psycho ex girlfriend and the real Prince of Darkness
Sucking up to Grant for a mod position since 2009
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
/grabs beer, sits next to Johnny to ask for popcorn
"Bengie Molina - the quintessential double play possibility." - Jon MIller
/moves popcorn to the other side of the chair
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 22, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
/cuts hole in bottom of popcorn box
Sucking up to Grant for a mod position since 2009
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
/punches DrStankus for stealing my joke while I was wishing him/her happy birthday
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 22, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Fie! Fie on you sirrah!
And to think I was going to wish you a happy birthday…
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 22, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
"However, didn’t the pitching staff go through a horrible slump after he started handling them? "
Not really
Split W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF WHIP SO/9 SO/BB April/March13 9 .591 2.75 80 22 22 0 0 6 200.0 155 65 61 14 73 4 176 5 1 9 820 1.140 7.9 2.41 May 14 14 .500 3.80 103 28 26 2 1 9 253.1 202 110 107 21 131 16 228 9 0 13 1074 1.314 8.1 1.74 June 13 14 .481 3.69 106 27 25 2 1 11 239.0 241 108 98 24 99 4 211 5 1 24 1032 1.423 7.9 2.13 July 20 8 .714 3.41 111 28 27 1 1 11 256.1 239 102 97 27 112 10 240 13 0 11 1102 1.369 8.4 2.14 August 13 15 .464 4.55 119 28 28 0 0 7 253.0 267 138 128 30 93 16 217 11 2 12 1114 1.423 7.7 2.33 Sept/Oct 12 6 .667 1.57 74 18 18 0 0 8 161.0 97 31 28 10 37 5 147 5 0 1 614 0.832 8.2 3.97
Bengie was traded at the very end of June, so July on is Posey. Looks like the pitching did fine without Bengie.
Thanks for the stats. Does that reflect entire pitching staff? Didn’t the starters have the big blow up and the relievers do all the heavy lifting for awhile?
Do you or anyone else have the era/W-L split for starters vs. relievers? Just interesting to see.
I am thrilled Buster is working out so well, but it is interesting to see the huge ups and downs that have happened this year…and the starters had one huge down for awhile this year.
And we are still competing. Amazing.
You're missing the point
Giants pitching was fine for the whole month of July when Posey came out…any adjustment issues should have arisen then…
August was the bad month but Posey had already been a Giant for a month.
Also, most of the pitching stats would be slanted toward SPs because they pitch more innings
That’s the whole pitching staff. You can find all the splits you need here: http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/split.cgi?t=p&team=SFG&year=2010
"but it is interesting to see the huge ups and downs that have happened this year"
I think this is what we normally call the ups and downs we see in a year.
Sucking up to Grant for a mod position since 2009
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
First of all
If that was true…it’s on the pitchers not adjusting
Two…this would be true for any change of pitchers…it’s like arguing that Minnesota should not have brought up Mauer because he wasn’t whatever pitcher he was replacing
Three…most people close to the club actually credit Buster for pulling Timmy out of his slump.
STATZ, BITCHES
Schulman:
Earlier today, Ed Price of Fanhouse reported that the Giants have gone 20 consecutive games allowing four or fewer runs. They go for 21 tonight, behind Jonathan Sanchez, and the last team to do that was the 1981 A’s.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
How interesting.
I did not know that the 1981 A’s ever went for 21 behind Jonathan Sanchez. Time travel?
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Shift-A and all that…just getting home.
Thanks to the folks who helped with the photo thing yesterday. I found the program ya’all were taking about in windoze and it worked okie-dokie.
The kids were a little weirded out, they thought the pics were of different kids cuz “how could they be on ‘tv’?” [Remember these guys are 5 years of age and under and call LP records “big cds”]
crfl-F for Pika
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I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
He’s old news… DrDC has taken his crown.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 22, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I only have the Sozin’s Comet quadrilogy(?) left in Avatar: The Last Airbender.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2010 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't read this if you don't want a very minor spoiler
But the asspull ending gave me a sad. Way to sidestep a well-developed moral dilemma plot.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
Benji Sucked This Year
But Posey went 2 for 17 last fall and Bengie was coming off 2 years of slugging .440ish and signed for a 1 year deal. I always liked the Bengie signing up to the day Buster came in and got 6 hits in his first 2 days. I am a show me guy. Show me the kid can play, and show me Bengie sucks, before we make the change. Sabean did his due diligence here, waited the appropriate time frame and pulled the trigger. MAYBE he might have done this 2 weeks sooner.
But really, we are who we thought we were, in contention late. That is about all you can ask.
It's better to be lucky than good.
I guess I'm not that amazed by Sabean's choice
I mean, he was already let Molina go once. Having that guy offer to come crawling back and provide a smooth transition to a guy who still managed to make the majors historically fast (for a catcher) seemed reasonably sound. Even hoping to wait to make said Second Coming wait until he got his stroke going and not qualify for Super Two doesn’t seem nuts either.
The nuts part was hitting Bengie 4th during a big spell of suck. But I gotta think that’s at least Bork’s fault.
I am still amazed that Posey’s as good as he is coming up so quickly. That’s unprecedented for a catcher. It’s been a long time since that’s been done by a Giants position player at all. I don’t think Sabean’s an idiot for not knowing it was going to happen that way.
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
Wow
This Giants are contending late into September in one of the most exciting races in years and we have a featured thread on Bengie Molina who hasn’t been with the club for months. One would think the Molina haters could move on, but I guess that’s not possible.
When Posey was ready to play full time in the majors, according to the front office’s viewpoint, the Giants brass cleared his way by trading Molina. Nothing shocking about that. What is amazing is the Giants’ incredible choices in the draft recently. Something for which Sabean and his scouts should get more credit. I’m looking forward to many years, hopefully, of Buster highlights in a Giants uniform.
I always get a kick out of the people who complain all the time about people who complain all the time.
I don’t have a problem with complaining – it’s the nature of baseball fans to complain and I’ve done my fair share of it since about 1962 – but rather what the complaints are about. Bengie is long gone. The arguments about his strengths and weaknesses are meaningless to the Giants now. It’s time to move on.
Now a good argument with the fans who still want to trade Sanchez for a “bat” is completely relevant! Or how about who gets left off the post season roster, if the Giants are lucky enough to get there? Dwelling on Bengie just makes no sense.
I always get a kick out of people who quote the year the became fans b/c they think it has meaning.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Sep 24, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I too am perfectly happy never again to debate the merits of Bengie Molina. But baseball isn’t just about the current moment; the memory of past players and past seasons is part of what being a fan is all about. There’s nothing particularly weird about debating what he brought to the team even though he’s not here anymore.
And the main post wasn’t about piling on Bengie at all.
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