What to do with Pablo
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 16, 2010 1:41 PM PDT
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Ugh.
There’s no right answer for the Pablo Sandoval conundrum. Anyone who watched him last year knows what a rare talent he can be. Anyone who has watched him this year knows how mind-numbingly awful he can be. He has to stay in the lineup because the reward is a true middle-of-the-order hitter. He can’t stay in the lineup because he doesn’t appear to have even one average major-league skill right now. Dude’s gotta play through this. Dude’s gotta go. It's just so simple.
Last night’s first inning at-bat against Chad Billingsley was one of the worst at-bats of the year from a Giant, non-Rowand division. With the bases loaded, Pablo swung at a first pitch sinker with movement that took it nearly a foot out of the strike zone. He then took a strike, swung at a pitch at chin level, and went a foot out of the strike zone to swing at a breaking ball. It was a miserable spectacle. Unfortunately, most of the Giants fans watching the game were expecting it.
As a member of the internet baseball nerd orthodoxy, I’m skeptical of clutch hitting. I don’t think Derek Jeter has some sort of gland next to his thyroid that pumps out clutch hormones. I don’t think he can just turn on a switch in tight situations and be even better than Derek Jeter on an average day. And the orthodoxy doesn’t really believe in players who choke, either. If you survived the pressures inherent in making it to the majors, you can probably handle the pressure of a two-out, runners-in-scoring-position situation.
Pablo makes me question the orthodoxy. The horror.
Split AB H HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS BAbip RISP 127 25 0 41 15 25 .197 .277 .260 .537 .234 --- 287 79 11 11 21 40 .275 .325 .463 .788 .288
Just yuck. The BABIP hints at some general unluckiness, sure, but Sandoval’s approach with runners on base or in scoring position has been awful. And his overall performance, with or without runners on, has been ghastly in September: he’s had a double, two singles, and two walks in 35 plate appearances.
Last night’s at-bat against Billingsley was the at-bat of someone who either didn’t have a plan, or who had a really bad plan. The first swing could only come from someone expecting a get-it-in fastball. So when the sinker started, it had to look like a corner fastball at first – that is, something distinctly different from a first-pitch, get-it-in fastball. Pablo still swung for the fences and missed badly. I just can’t see how it would be possible to swing at that pitch if it’s the first pitch in an at-bat. There’s no way that was even close to what he was looking for. Maybe he wasn’t even looking for anything in particular, and that’s the problem.
Of course, just like they did with Tim Lincecum, everyone has a theory about what’s wrong. He’s too hefty, he’s bummed about his divorce, he needs to wear his prescription goggles, the league has figured him out, and/or he isn’t mentally strong enough to deal with the heightened expectations. Everyone has an opinion. Maybe a couple of them are right. That doesn’t mean it’s less annoying to hear people speculate, but maybe something up there is the right answer.
And while his BABIP is down, so is his line-drive percentage. He’s swinging at fewer pitches in the strike zone, and swinging at more out of the strike zone. He can’t lay off the high fastball. He couldn’t last year, either, but he would hit some of those high fastballs last year. Something’s different. This is like how I would have felt if "Reload" were released right after "Master of Puppets." What in the absolute hell happened?
Which all brings us to the great divide: Do you sit Pablo, or do you hold out hope that he’ll find what is lost? I’ll side with the latter, even though it’s getting harder and harder to do so. I can’t let go of my memories of the good Panda, and Sandoval was quite good in August, which wasn’t that long ago. A good Pablo would make a mediocre Giants lineup pretty special. Well, comparatively speaking. I’ll just close my eyes, cross my fingers, and hope he can find what he’s lost.
I just don’t know how long the Giants should wait. They’ve shown quite a bit of restraint, actually. Judgment day is a-comin’ soon, though.
So here’s a cute picture of a hamster. If you've made it through this post without falling asleep, weeping, or punching things, you've earned it.
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I'm tired of waiting for Pablo to hit any with consistency
Sit him.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 16, 2010 1:43 PM PDT reply actions
I’m leaning in that direction, if only to get him to fully comprehend how much he’s fucking up.
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I have to agree. Maybe it’s a bad idea to sit him for the rest of the season, maybe it’s not. Sit him a couple games and see how it goes.
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I really wanted to vote to sit him but they don’t seem to have any alternative that doesn’t make me vurp. However, if they don’t sit him I fear that he’ll feel empowered to gain another 60 pounds this off-season.
by helloooonoonan on Sep 16, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I have a feeling they’re going to use this season as leverage to kick him into better shape in the off-season, regardless of whether his troubles are at all related to his weight.
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Sadly, this was tried once. I don’t know how they can get it to work this time.
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Option him to the minors when the rosters are set.
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by say hey nation on Sep 16, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
He needs to grow up
He lost some weight and then gained it all back and then some when he went home to Venezuela. I remember reading about his workouts and how he pouted through a good portion of it, even though they Giants provided a team of people devoted to getting him into shape. The lack of self control is mind boggling.
by helloooonoonan on Sep 16, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t remember reading about the pouting… link?
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but he was coming off a great season then. This one has just been disappointing.
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
But coming off such a fantastic year I could see why the message may not have stuck. “You need to develop better study habits” tends to resonate better with students who are coming off a year of straight D’s than with a student who just pulled straight A’s without studying a lick.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
In my honest opinion
Pablo shouldn’t be training with some kind of drill sargeant looking to turn him into rambo swinging lumber. He should be fasting and meditating in a buddhist sanctuary nestled deep within the himalayas and climbing mountains for workouts. For the whole offseason. Someone send the man some Taoist writings, or something.
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…just like Bruce Wayne in the first “new” Batman movie- then he can really be a Kung Fu Panda
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
RISP is a function of confidence more than anything else. Hitters that are effective in that situation know it and so do pitchers. Pablo knows his RISP numbers. He is pressing. So when he’s up with RISP he is even less disciplined than usual. Any pitcher throwing to Pablo knows he’s overanxious and that he will get himself out if they don’t throw a strike. Thus you end up with at-bats like last night.
There is no way that this is going to get better in a pennant race. He will press more and more. When he fails, that just means he presses more the next time.
Add to this the fact that he is a below average thirdbaseman, is slow and a bad base runner to boot, and you are left with one one conclusion: sit him.
Problem is, what is the alternative. If Fontenot can play third, I’d platoon him with Renteria. Move Uribe to third versus lefties. Fontenot at third, Uribe at short versus righties.
If this logic is true then no player ever gets better. He needs to figure it out. Taking away all his at bats will not help him.
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He can get better next year
The Giants are in a pennant race. I’m not saying the guy won’t get over it at some point. it just is not going to happen this year. He’s a mess. He’s going to need to do some working and thinking this off season. Either he adjusts or he will never approach his ’08 season again.
by lexluth7 on Sep 16, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fontenot at 2B, Freddy at 3B.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
Fontenot can play 3rd base
He has logged 69 innings there this season, and 360 innings at third base last season.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?
There needs to be a third option. A little bit of both.
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by Giant among Angels on Sep 16, 2010 1:45 PM PDT reply actions
Oh wow, Grant
Only the sith deals in absolutes.
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jct, a sith?
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Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Sep 16, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
But that statement is an absolute!!!
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Dodgers fans eat their young.
I want to punch it. Right in its cute little tummy.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 16, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
A predator lurks
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Proving once and for all that the cat was indeed alive.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 16, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Not until that box opened.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I find this oddly terrifying
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Just imagine that it is pouncing on a spider.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 16, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
You were kidding, but that totally worked!
DIE SPIDER, DIE!!!
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
sssss llllllllllllllll
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
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That cat is thinking “I’m gonna fuck shit up”
Overplayed memes:
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by say hey nation on Sep 16, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m gonna fuck shit up
My owner said fuck shit up
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 16, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah
Just a cat deciding he’s been in the box long enough. The “fuck shit up” jump has ears back, claws out.
It's orange inside
cat said knock you out
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by The Gene Hackman on Sep 17, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I used it as a bribe to get my kid to do her half hour of reading.
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Do I want to know what the bribe was?
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by say hey nation on Sep 16, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
The picture of the hamster or the hamster itself? Please explain.
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I let her look at it if she promised to do the reading.
She loves hamsters.
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Man, that’s both awesome and somehow scary. It’s really such a tiny reward for anything, even if it was just a half hour of reading.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 16, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow. She’s clearly not inherited your lawyer genes. I would have held out until you got me the real thing.
/negotiated
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
She already had the real thing (RIP Ariel the Hamster). Now we’ve moved on to a kitteh.
Plus, the reading is part of her homework. I just used the pic to remind her of that.
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MY WIFE WAS YOUR HAMSTER!?
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Sorry, dude. I didn’t know how to tell you earlier.
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YOU KILLED JCT'S WIFE???
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
A likely story
/prepares motion to exhume body
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Bwahahaha – we buried the body in the landfill (e.g., put her in the trash can). Good luck with that!
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YOU MONSTER!
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
This motion?
/makes digging motion.
Waking up stressed out because you’ve been running from zombies all night is a stupid way to spend your adulthood. - Howie
IRL LOL
/then wonders if the digging motion is really a digging motion or something else
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If I get back to work, can I look at the picture again?
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 16, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
TWSS!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 16, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I hate you!
/runs to room
//slams door
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 16, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I've been waiting for 3 YEARS!
For that hamster to fall out of Aaron Rowands ass while he’s batting. Maybe this will turn things around….
He hit really well for a year+. I think the whole Panda merchandising and fan expectations of him producing like a middle of the order hitter (plus a certain coach talking to him about mailmen) went to his head. It seems like he’s really pressing, and just trying to hit the hell out of everything within a foot of the strike zone
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went to his head
Meh. I want to agree with that, though wouldn’t he want to press at home, in front of his adoring fans? OPS 901 @ home this year. But even that OPS number is off from last year’s 1000. /more confused then when i started
lolsplits
home babip – .349
away babip – .228
home ld% – 15.2%
away ld% – 16.9%
And there’s your difference. It’s not a change in approach, or that he’s even hitting the ball harder at home.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
I just think he's struggling because he let himself get really fat
by helloooonoonan on Sep 16, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Hahahahaha – Really? He’s like 1 1/2 X the size he was in those stoopid slo-mo head bobble promos they shot last year.
Has this affected his game, IDK. Is he a LOT bigger, absolutely.
tough to tell from the angle, but he does look a little fatter.
certainly not a lot fatter, though.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
/puts on straw hat
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by Giant Torture on Sep 16, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
/eats ribeye
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/spits
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by Giant among Angels on Sep 16, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I might be prone to exaggeration with 1.5X, but
dig around in image galleries and I think you’ll see a lot more that convince you of the weight gain.
Does it affect his batting, I do not know, but it can’t help his running and fielding at 3rd. If I was guessing, I’d say he has a vision problem and can’t pick up the release on the pitch.
He looks fatter to me
Not a lot fatter, but probably 20 lbs or so.
same here. fatter, but not by much.
considering he came into spring having lost 15lbs, thats actually saying alot for how much bigger he is this year
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd sit Pablo against every lefty
Not only because of his play at the plate, but also because we are a much better defensive infield with Uribe at 3rd, Renteria at short, and Sanchez at 2nd against left handers
Against righties, it’s a tougher call, but I’d basically start Pablo maybe 2-3 times a week, and heavily consider him at 1B with Huff moving to right field.
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and heavily consider him at 1B with Huff moving to right field.
whaaaaaaaaa?
With Guillen out, I can’t really find a reason this would make sense.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
this is assuming the alternative is Rowand in CF and Ross in RF. I’d rather have Ross in CF and Huff in RF if Pablo plays.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
hmmmmmmmmmm
I just don’t think Pablo’s bat can, at this point, justify playing him at 1B. Also, his D isn’t THAT bad at 3B.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
did u see that throw to Huff last night? and the various bare hand pickups that he couldn’t make the last few weeks?
He’s Pedro Feliz minus D right now at 3B =/
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I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
would you rather have
pedro feliz minus the D playing 1B?
Sure he’s made some highly visible bad plays, but according to both DRS and UZR, he’s been below average but not terrible this season.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
If the point is to try to get his bat going again
I’d rather minimize his defense hurting the team, and that’s at 1B. I’m still hesitant to use UZR as the definitive source without at least 2 seasons worth of data, but I think we can all agree that he is below average and has not gotten better from year to year.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
But in minimizing the degree to which his defense hurts the team, you’re maximizing the degree to which his offense hurts the team.
Really?
I’m not sitting Huff. The decision here is to play Rowand or Pablo. I think I’d rather play Pablo.
Otherwise, sit him completely and forget the notion of getting him going again. It just isn’t going to happen.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Ooookay, I get it. But moving Huff from first to right hurts the defense too. You could just play Cody Ross in right, who’s a good fielder and about the same as Uribe with the bat.
Long-term, Pablo needs to stay at third to be a top-flight player.
I’ll settle for a useful bat at this point, top flight player? Eh. I don’t know. I’m almost willing to chalk up last season as BABIP-fluky and hope for the difference between this season and next season as his true talent level.
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Me too. But either way, the bar for how good he needs to be as a hitter goes up significantly when you move him to first.
I suspect it would be easier for him to slim down and become a decent fielder than it would be for him to adjust his plate approach enough to become a decent-hitting first baseman.
Man, that just kills me. I love that guy, and his stupid useless obsolete giblet betrayed him.
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Well that's the thing
You say Huff moving to RF hurts the defense. If he’s replacing Guillen that’s an automatic upgrade.
Plus you upgrade your 3B defense as well.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
bulging disc
Guillen’s out.
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You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Your Optimized Lineup Bias Is Showing
Waking up stressed out because you’ve been running from zombies all night is a stupid way to spend your adulthood. - Howie
we pretty much have
2 seasons at this point, i’m hesitant too, which is why I looked at his DRS as well, and they both agree (though I don’t trust them enough to put a hard # on it) bad but not horrible.
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You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Defensive Runs Saved
aka +/-
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You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
IAWTC
Renteria/Fontenot play short, Uribe to 3rd, Huff to RF. That’s what I would do.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
Only problem
If possible, Fontenot is actually worse than Panda against lefties. He has a career .635 OPS against them.
we’re talking about against righties. Against lefties, Renteria plays.
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
I saw you were responding to a post saying "sit pablo against lefties"
But I didn’t realize you were actually responding to the second part of his statement.
I'd rather have Ishi start at 1B vs. righties than Pablo
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?
/screams out “oh yeah”
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
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If he sat he'd essentially be replaced by a Renteria/Fontenot platoon, right?
I think I’d sit him, but my vote could be swayed
Buster Posey>
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Also
league has figured him out
This is true. The scouting report basically reads, “I’ll kick you in the nads if you throw him anything within a foot of the strikezone.”
It doesn’t get anymore figured out than that.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 16, 2010 1:47 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
It seems like he’s been working at holding back from the high fastball, but it’s obvious he’s not comfortable with it, or good at it. Last night we saw him come up in a crucial situation only to swing at 3 balls and hold back on the only strike.
Jeaaaggaahh
by Soulbrother16 on Sep 16, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
FWIW
In each of his 2 Ks last night, pablo took a pitch that was legitimately outside according to gameday. Both were called strikes. Doesn’t make up for hte pitches that he DID swing at, but still.
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it obvious to see how much he wants to swing at it after holding back on it. if I’m the pitcher, im throwing it right back up there because you know how much he wants it.
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Great, now I’ve got that song stuck in my head. Thanks a lot.
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Dammit, Prussian. I had just replaced it with something else (Beck: “I’m a loser, baby, so why don’t you kill me”, if you must know), and now it’s back. Just you wait. I’ll get you back.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 16, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
So my plan worked. Muahahahaha!
/evil grin
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
That song is on
As I read this comment. Trippy.
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Let him fight through it, but give him days off. If someone steps up in his place and does well leave them in as long as they’re hot. If no one steps up, might as well leave him in.
Jeaaaggaahh
I think he needs to keep playing
but sparingly. Give him 2-4 starts a week. Mainly against RHs. This is something he needs to figure out.
By just sitting him down for the rest of the season I think you do more against him then help. He needs to get some confidence back and learn what is wrong with himself. With the help of the coaching staff as well. Mainly Bam Bam. Everyone else worries me.
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The obvious answer is to sit him on the road and start him at home.
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I think he presses in clutch sitations
It’s clear that the “book” on him is (duh) don’t throw him anything near the plate. I think when the bases are empty, he has enough discipline to lay off the horrible stuff and wait for something “resembling” a hitters pitch.
Note that his fangraphs plate discipline numbers across the board are better in 2010 than 2009. He’s mostly just hitting way more popups and way fewer line drives → babip crash and HR/FB crash.
I don’t really see what the point of sitting him is… so we can see more Renteria and Fontenot? I guess Renteria vs LHP doesn’t make me SPEW vomit… although I might burp up a little in my mouth.
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I don’t really see what the point of sitting him is… so we can see more Renteria and Fontenot?
This is my thought too. At least Panda has some upside. While he be worse than Renteria (I feel very sad typing that), I think it’s worth taking the chance with Sandoval. But I wouldn’t be opposed to a few more days off.
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When do you determine that we won’t see the upside this season? I mean sure, it’s there. But will it be there in the next x number of games?
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I don’t think we will. I’d give him the rest of the season and have him work very hard to get in shape or change his approach over the offseason. As bad as Panda’s been, I don’t see whomever we replace him with being all that much better.
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Gambler's fallacy
works the other way too.
I mean, I guess it depends on what you think he needs to change. If it’s only something that can be changed with a lot of practice in the offseason, sure he’s probably not going to get much better this year. But maybe it’s just a small tweak he needs to make a la Timmy, in which case he could come back at any moment (and he even appeared to for much of August). Remember, he was outstanding in March and April too (177 wRC+!!!)
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That’s my thinking – the alternative doesn’t inspire much confidence, so I’d rather just see if Pablo can work his way through this crapfest.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 16, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
The Small Sample Size Ship Has Sailed
This is now a pattern and given the fact that everything he did last year seemed to go against conventional wisdom (overweight, swings at everything in the same zip code of the plate, doesn’t take walks), I don’t think he’s going to come back unless he makes some serious changes. Sure if he works out he’s a middle of the order bat, but the more likely scenario is that he is an automatic out every time through the order, who plays bad defense. September is not the time to work out your issues, Bork needs to do whatever gives them the best chance to WIN NOW.
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doesn’t take walks
League average bb% last year. about 1% off this year.
He’s no Molina.
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While I realize he’s not Bengie Molina or Shawon Dunston, when you back out the IBB last year—which happens when you hit less than your weight—it changes the equation and instead of having 52 BB’s for an 8.2 BB%, he has 39 BB’s for a 6.2 BB%. I’m not saying that’s terribly awful, but it is one more thing he doesn’t do well at the plate.
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by Giant Torture on Sep 16, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Doesn’t the league average include IBB?
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by say hey nation on Sep 16, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
It does, but what I’m saying is that more than 20% of his walks last year were intentional and his entire approach at the plate seemed to be contradictory to what good/great players do.
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by Giant Torture on Sep 16, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
He isn't keeping greatness on the bench
I hate seeing him struggle, but I don’t see any benefit in benching him either…maybe…idk
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B-both? He should probably be sitting some more maybe? The player(s) that would replace him wouldn’t be worth much of an offensive upgrade maybe? Sit him against lefties?
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Even though I don’t think some players all of a sudden gets better in clutch situation, I do believe some players can choke. Even choke so much that they become generally bad in clutch situation.
LINEUP!!
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It doesn’t have Whiteside catching Sanchez, so it can’t be serious.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 16, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
the first TWO? I think Fontenot did a great job last nght- he got the hit when no one else could. He may be in the lineup at 2B or SS tonight (though it will probably be rent)
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
playing Fontenot at SS against a lefty is crazy, but not so crazy as to be impossible.
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by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
This is dumb
I like Fontenot, and frankly he should be getting a lot more starts vs RHP.
But the dude has a career .635 OPS against lefties. That’s beyond bad.
Wow, that’s Molina-esc. Yeesh.
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
thats why i said he may be in the linup, but it will probably be renteria who starts. I’m aware of his OPS vs LHP and it ain’t good.
I like Fontenot, though. He should be in vs RHP
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Consider, however . . .
. . . that he only has a total of something like 150 scattered PA vs LHP in his entire career. It’s not relevant right this minute, but I suspect strongly that that is literally a self-fulfilling prophecy, and that played every day against all comers, his numbers vs LHP would be no worse (relatively) than those of any everyday LHB. That could matter as planning for 2011 begins.
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i said something like this yesterday when discussing a Ross platoon, that he may not be hitting RHP as good as he is if he is solely platooning.
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Always bat the catcher 8th!
That’s some sweeeeeet OLD SCHOOL!!
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?
Holy fuck.
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by howtheyscored on Sep 16, 2010 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
the third option:
jerk him around!
It’s going to happen. And I won’t even blame Bochy for it, I’d probably do it too.
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Nice
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by say hey nation on Sep 16, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
What the hell is an Old Fuss-Budjit??
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Icanhereyouhavingsex
Someone in the hood should add one called learntospell,pervert
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Fixed
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Fantastic
I’m going to change my wi-fi network name to, “Stop using the damn parking lot as a playground you fucking retarded parents. I won’t apologize when your kid gets himself run over because it’s your damn fault.”
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 16, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
OT: Uncle Bowtie spoke at my school today
I was supposed to see him speak and ask him a question, but I stayed home from school today cause I’m sick :(
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 2:11 PM PDT reply actions
So, you’re saying you needed a remedy so that you could go to remedies?
And also, I’ve got a kid home sick today. But you’d never know it. Damn kid has no “off” or “slow down” mode.
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My mom had similar problems with me when I was a kid. If I stayed home sick, I usually was more crazy, but if she sent me to school, they’d often just send me home because they didn’t want a bunch of sick kids infecting each other.
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s my fault – I passed my cold on to her. If she didn’t have a slight fever and a headache when she ran, I probably would have sent her and infected the whole damn class. There are a couple of kids in there that I’m sure the teacher wouldn’t mind seeing miss a couple days.
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There’s always one or two of those. This year I’ve got about 3 or 6 of them. Surprisingly a couple of FAS kids [fetal alcohol syndrome] and another group who have apparently never heard the word “no” before … ever.
There’s a kid that apparently likes to drop f-bombs in class. That’s nice. And another kid that apparently was spitting on my sweet baby. My kid got her revenge – she saw that kid and his mom at the schoolyard yesterday when we were there for my other kid’s soccer practice. When I was talking to another parent, my 5 year old went up to the mom and said “Rohin hasn’t been behaving properly to me” and proceeded to list his sins. Then she told Rohin that he better behave better. My little girl has balls of steel.
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HEY!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 16, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
I couldn’t help but think of you in this context. I was actually a little disappointed that none of the defendants in the fact patterns had the name Lars.
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, if you ever need to create your own stalking scenario feel free to use my name.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 16, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Will you be wearing the nun’s habit during this?
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Only if it helps the story line.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 16, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmmm. I may need to get TheLetter2 to write this. I’m not feeling very creative right now.
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I could show up wearing a habit if that would help spark your creativity.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 16, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Pics or it won’t happen
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d sit him a bit more than normal, but c’mon: Pablo’s OPS in August was .907. So far this month it’s .268. Bam Bam needs to earn his money and take a really long look at video of Panda’s ABs last month, because he was doing something right then that he’s not doing now. I just refuse to believe he’s this bad.
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he looks like he’s jumping at the ball, not keeping his hands back, but im no batting coach, that’s just what the slow-mo looks like.
last month he appeared to be staying back on the ball
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
LOLARS
LarsTheWanderer
How do you solve a problem like The Panda? How do you make him take a fucking strike? @mccoveychron What to do with Pablo
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Throwing my theory in...
He’s dumb. Last year was “see ball, hit ball”. He made ZERO adjustments. However, I don’t know why, but I still think he should start. Uribe can be better at third, but the options at shortstop fail to whelm me in the least. Sure, bench Pablo against righties, but against lefties I still think he should be in there every game.
by yankeessuck8991 on Sep 16, 2010 2:14 PM PDT reply actions
you mean bench him on lefties, start on righties?
his RH hitting splits suck
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Trade him for Alex Gordon
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his weight may be higher than his value. and that’s in dollars, not thousands
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Beware the high fastball!
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How long before he gets hurt again?
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that's way out of sequence =(
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you suck
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Let’s trade him for David Aardsma and Jose Lopez!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 16, 2010 2:19 PM PDT reply actions
Play him every day
I don’t see any possible way that sitting him will improve him or the team. Replacing Pablo with Renteria/Fontenot is a marginal offensive upgrade, and not worth the opportunity cost of potentially missing out on Pablo going on a tear, which he is perfectly capable of doing.
Seriously though, I keep playing him at least 4-5 times a week.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 16, 2010 2:20 PM PDT reply actions
Regardless of production or not
he needs to lose weight. The weight thing isn’t a fun panda thing anymore, it’s something that’s affecting his play BIG TIME. There is not a single reason in the universe that he can’t show up to spring training next year having lost a fair amount of weight and being in much better shape. Depending on what happens, it’ll show his commitment level. I don’t want anyone on my team who is going to knowingly harm the team.
by yankeessuck8991 on Sep 16, 2010 2:21 PM PDT reply actions
how many fat (like pablo fat) guys swing at those high fastballs though? he hits very well low in the zone, but cant get around on the high cheese
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I would have definetely believed that he can’t get his weight around in time on a high fastball, thus, why he is late.
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Umm, most players can’t get around in time on a high fastball. That’s why most don’t swing at it.
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right. but in pablos case, his weight isnt helping was my point.
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
i see your point, but you’d have to imagine that a 60lbs lighter pablo would be able to get around on the usual high fastball EASIER than current weight pablo
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
how much do you think he weighs? the Giants say its 265 IIRC, but I think he’s over 320. harder to tell since he wears a baggy uni, plus i was never great at weight-guessing when someone gets that big.
so a 260lb Panda next year would be great to see. it’s not impossible
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha, I wouldn’t say 320. Shaq in his prime was 320.
by yankeessuck8991 on Sep 16, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
and fat shaq?
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by yankeessuck8991 on Sep 16, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
265...
and Timmy is 5’11"
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
easier isn’t the best word… how about with more agility
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I keep telling my wife that
yet she keeps insisting that I exercise daily to “improve the performance”.
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Kegel exercise?
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s doing them right now!
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
True
but it’s not like their hitting would get worse if they lost some blubber. If anything, it would get better, and help their movement.
by yankeessuck8991 on Sep 16, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
the weight was only fun when he was hitting. now, its just sad
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t see why people think it’s the weight affecting his hitting. As far as I can tell, it’s his approach. I don’t think his weight has a whole lot to do with that.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
This is pretty close to the way I see it—lack of discipline.
I think someone needs to take him aside and tell him he needs to begin working on plate discipline, and he’ll need some when he’s batting as well.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
I don’t think the weight has ANYTHING to do with his hitting. But I think it has to do with his defense and running.
by yankeessuck8991 on Sep 16, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
BUT IT MUST BE SOMETHING B/C IT WORKED LAST YEAR
/ignores that he was fat last year too.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
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by say hey nation on Sep 16, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s probably just a visceral thing. You watch him swing and miss (badly) in slo mo, and all sorts of stuff is moving around, and you’re thinking “Oh lord, he’s so big, no wonder he can’t get around on that pitch.”
But I think he’s just as pudgy as he was last year. It’s the approach – not the chub.
With that being said, I think Cain benefited from some slimming down (and he wasn’t even nearly as big). Maybe Matt’s girlfriend can help Pablo figure out how to eat better.
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Girlfriend?
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The Matt Cain diet would be a great plan for Pabloso. Matt’s kept the weight off as well. He looks great and it’s helped his game and ability to be a graphical meme.
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Cain wings a fastball at Panda whenever he approaches the post-game spread?
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
I think the Giants org is so focused on his conditioning they’re not paying attention to the fact that he’s swinging at crap. See ball – hit ball only works as a strategy when you’re batting over .300.
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think his weight has anything to do with his hitting
His fielding is a different story.
I think the wieght hurts his hitting
due to fatigue. A fat gets tired in quicker time than an average person. Fats that carry extra weight around feel the dog days worse than an average person. Fats don’t like 162 game schedules. Fatigue will hurt your swing and your concentration in the field.
Can someone post a stat that measures the percentage of balls outside of the strikezone that he has hit this year vs last year, or anything else that may give us hints regarding his batspeed.
by kingofthacove on Sep 16, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
O-Contact% – Percentage of times a batter makes contact with the ball when swinging at pitches thrown outside the strike zone
2009: 75.5 %
2010: 77.5 %
He’s swinging at a higher percentage of balls outside of the zone, though making contact with more as well, so why does he appear so much worse? It doesn’t seem like his approach is much different.
His power numbers are way down. ISO and HR/FB are significantly lower this year, so maybe he has lost muscle or bat speed, which seem like they could have to do with conditioning.
by kingofthacove on Sep 16, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
My guess is that he’s being thrown more pitches outside of the strike zone, and, more importantly, more pitches that are far outside of the strike zone. What’s harder to hit, a ball low by two inches or a ball that’s off the ground by two inches?
Well, Pablo’s swinging at ’em both.
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I am sure it doesn’t hurt too much, but I am sure it doesn’t help. Short term and long term.
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by Giant among Angels on Sep 16, 2010 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
He reminds me of Matt Williams in '89
Every Williams at bat was the same, it felt like. First pitch, fastball down the middle, which Williams would take for strike one because everyone was telling him to be more selective. Second pitch, he’d always swing at, because he was behind in the count, so it was always a breaking ball off the plate. Third pitch, either a slider away or a change, again way off the plate, which he’d wave at.
Every once in awhile, someone would make a mistake and Williams would cream it. But his head was so messed up, he couldn’t do anything.
So they sent him down, in like July, and let him batter AAA pitching for awhile. When he came back up, he became MATT WILLIAMS.
We can’t send Panda down. But he’s not helping the team the way things are. I’d say bench him for at least a week, and then let’s see if he improves. Either way, send him home to play Winter ball, see if he can work out some issues.
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I just want to understand if he has a plan
Because that’s what bothers me more – the talent is there to do better, but he’s not worth playing if he is not hitting. That first AB was beyond pathetic, but that the same pattern was repeated again is what kills me – its a guy not making adjustments at all.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
Your optimal lineup for tonight, GO (be realistic, pretend you're Bochy's brain working at 100%)
Ross CF
Sanchez 2B
Huff 1B
Posey C
Burrell LF
Uribe 3B
Guillen RF
Renteria SS
Sanchez P
by yankeessuck8991 on Sep 16, 2010 2:27 PM PDT reply actions
Guillen is hurt
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 16, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
isn’t he supposed to be available today?
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Oh is he?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 16, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I can just see him running towards a ball and faceplanting because that disk flared up and pinched a nerve. not worth the risk, he shouldnt be in the field for the remainder of the season.
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
This was true before the bulgding disc
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
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bad thing. He’d be fine off the bench, and he can’t become a distraction because its his own injury keeping him from playing everyday
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
i wonder, if your spine collapses, assuming you survive that, what do they do? stick a broomstick in your back to hold you up?
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
you’d probably have to be dollied around everywhere too. i mean, on a real dolley- wheelchair, you’d just fall right over
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
i dont think i could wish that on him. i just hope his injury doesnt prevent him from PH, but does prevent from playing the field
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
i just hope that he can PH, but not play the field. then we get what we should have acquired him for in the first place
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I hear he just reached in an pulled those pesky bulging disks out with a pair of pliers.
by BestHyperboleEver on Sep 16, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Hurting this team in the OF, you mean!
/rimshot
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Supposed to just rest one day
and be available today. Have yet to hear otherwise.
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…and has no place is an “optimal lineup.”
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Correction
“Optimal Bruce Bochy lineup”
by yankeessuck8991 on Sep 16, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
My optimal?
Freddy 2B
Posey C
Huff 1B
Burrell RF
Uribe SS
Ross CF
Sandoval 3B
Schierholtz RF
Sanchez P
I'm actually way down for this
But I don’t think it’s realistic. Bochy would never start Nate against a lefty.
Yknow, cuz lefties can’t hit lefties.
by yankeessuck8991 on Sep 16, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
This
and I am not sure if he would hit Posey 2nd even though he gets on base enough to justify it.
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
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It WOULD be nice ...
If Nate actually did something when given the chance. He’d been a terrific off the bench hitter over the last month or so. Then last night he gets a start and goes 0-4 with 2 k’s. I know its just one game, but man I wish he would have seized the day so to speak..
make him eat only salad and tofu each time he swings at a pitch outside of the strikezone
he’ll be BLB in a week.
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that worked well for Prince Fielder
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WHAT THEN, MR. SMARTY PANTS?
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I HAVE KILLED THAT WHICH I LOVE THE MOST
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OH NO YOU KILLED A HOOKER?!
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Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 16, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
you say hooker, your username is graham, makes me think of “the hangover”
mmm Heather Graham
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Make him hike a mountain for every pitch he swings at more than 6 inches out of the zone
by yankeessuck8991 on Sep 16, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
There are not enough mountains :(
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
K2 for a 6" high fastball sounds appropriate.
Pandas don’t get frostbite?
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Threaten to tell Chavez that he talks shit behind his back?
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Sep 16, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
are we talking about CESAR!!!
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by BestHyperboleEver on Sep 16, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
if sitting him
meant a better replacement option than Edgar Renteria, I might lean more towards that option
If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.
I don't see how they can sit him more than once or twice a week. My reasons:
1) As mentioned above, he did hit well in August and if he “figures it out” again he will be an important presence in the lineup
2) There is not really a good alternative
3) I thought i had more, but this is good enough for me
I HAVE A PLAN
1. Take Pablo to the Dominican Republic
2. Switch him with Angel Villalona, make Pablo live in Angel’s cell.
3. Have AnVil assume Pablo’s identity.
4. Success.
by yankeessuck8991 on Sep 16, 2010 2:37 PM PDT reply actions
lol Anvil would be just as bad, if not worse.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
The point is that Pablo would have to sit in a jail cell and think about his crimes.
by yankeessuck8991 on Sep 16, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Well he is getting paid to suck which is usually illegal.
Waking up stressed out because you’ve been running from zombies all night is a stupid way to spend your adulthood. - Howie
by jhiat00 on Sep 16, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not in Nevada!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 16, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I can’t find his stats for this year.
by yankeessuck8991 on Sep 16, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Gosh, I wonder why.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Dominican Penal League
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Jeremy Affeldt induces strained obliques
by Giant among Angels on Sep 16, 2010 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions
1 K
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 16, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't sit Panda; 'twill make him sad.
My son is Madison Bumgarner, the Bipolar Stuffed Sheep of pitching prospects. My other son is a Porsche.
That panda just looks drunk to me
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
On the nod.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
it looks like Pedobear found a new outfit to wear
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He had to after this
oh SLO county...
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 16, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
The alternative is Uribe/Renteria. Better defensively, certainly, so the question, can Rent out-hit Panda the rest of the way. After last night . . . .
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Huff to 3rd, Belt to 1st
Science.
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
Huff at 3B?
We’ve won enough games of russian roulette with him this year, why don’t we just quit while we’re ahead.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
/Aubrey hunts down marcello, brutally murders him, leaves note saying “I’m the best fucking athlete on this team.”
by yankeessuck8991 on Sep 16, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
...then dances:
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
IRL LOL
Huff does a little jig!
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
He's been surprisingly good everywhere they put him, why not!
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by NuschlerFace on Sep 16, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
i have to say, im pretty surprised that his poor fielding rep was so massively wrong.
he’s been more than adequate as a fielder, not to mention Burrell is nowhere near as bad as billed.
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Guillen however...
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Sep 16, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah that was worse than billed, if there is such a thing
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
he does catch everything thats hit right to him, though!!!
i mean, um… nevermind
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Guillen FTL...
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
Uhhh
Either everyone has been wrong his entire career, or he’s been a bit lucky this year. Hmmmmm, what’s more likely?
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
unlike hitting- where lucky is BABIP inspired- i don’t think fielding comes down to luck or not. it comes down to true talent
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not like his fielding all season can come down to luck
There hasn’t been a single instance all season long where his defense has made me feel uncomfortable in the least. Sure, he’s not JT Snow, but are you really saying that his almost perfect defensive season is chalked up to luck?
by yankeessuck8991 on Sep 16, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
If his defense hasn’t made you uncomfortable at times, you haven’t been paying attention. He takes some awful routes and looks like a lumbering man who should be playing first.
I’m saying that guys can have good and bad years fielding, just like they can have good and bad years hitting. It could be positioning, it could be jumps, it could just be clanks. It’s not like he’s going to have the same experience on every fly ball, and the fact is, you just don’t get enough plays in the year to wash out all the noise.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
My comment was tongue-in-cheek, but I do think he’s been outstanding this year.
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Sep 16, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't complain
I just am waiting for the other shoe to drop.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
For a guy who hasn’t set foot in the outfield in 4 seasons, and hasn’t made a single error in the outfield, I’m extremely happy. Looking at his defensive zone ratings on fangraphs, I’m even more impressed.
by yankeessuck8991 on Sep 16, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m just saying there is a ton of evidence that suggests you shouldn’t expect him to keep it up. Hence:
We’ve won enough games of russian roulette with him this year, why don’t we just quit while we’re ahead.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
He makes all the routine plays, which is average.
no, Huff is no JT Snow. But for someone who was DH for years, then came out here to a tough RF and a windy park, I’d have to say I’m very impressed with the way he’s handled it.
I am impressed with Burrell as well, from the standpoint of how bad his fielding was billed as.
Overall, I don’t think the “other shoe” will drop on Huff. I don’t think if you’ve been “lucky” all year with your fielding, that it will revert to the norm, because we don’t really even have a norm to draw off of. All his fielding stats are outdated.
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m willing to be on board with a theory that says motivation matters more in some positions. Obviously, you only have the range you have, and if you can’t cover the ground you can’t do very well in the middle infield, etc. But if you suddenly care about fielding and put in the work to get better, I could see a player drastically improving his results, up until he reaches whatever that ceiling is for his physical abilities.
Barry Bonds showed some pretty sudden improvement when he got moved to LF in Pittsburgh, and I don’t think it only had to do with which players he was being compared to. Matt Kemp, meanwhile, suddenly turned into a net negative in the field this year while notably having “issues” with their management; and besides, I like any theory that makes Bonds look classier than a Dodger.
All of which is to say that Huff has openly acknowledged he’s a lot more motivated this year, and perhaps it’s showing up in his fielding, too.
That’s my crackpot theory for the day.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
come on now. defensive metrics are no where near as clear cut as this.
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Over like 10 seasons, yes
And it’s not just the metrics that say he’s below average.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
/shift-A
AWWW CUTE HAMSTER
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 16, 2010 2:44 PM PDT reply actions
You only get to look at the hamster if you read the whole thread.
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LOL
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Whaaat.
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 16, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
WUT
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t understand the question and I won’t respond.
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 16, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I DON’T KNOW HOW TO PLAY THE GAME.
THAT YOU JUST LOST.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 16, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
YOU JUST LOST THE GAME.
DECLARE YOUR LOSS.
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 16, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
NO YOU’RE NOT
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 16, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Tell me something I don’t know.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 16, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Whoa, there. TMI, dude.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 16, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Did you look in the post-game thread?
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Which part of get a room, kids was unclear last time?
/get off my lawn
//does not actually have a lawn, lives in the city
I wasn’t on your lawn!
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 16, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
/goes to read the whole thread
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 16, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 16, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Is the hamster cheering you up at all?
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
NO MEANS NO, CORN!
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
CLICK IT
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 16, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
LEAVE ME ALONE, YOU LINK CLICKERS!!
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
COME ON! YOU'VE CLICKED IT BEFORE!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 16, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
WHAT? NEVER! HOW DARE YOU SULLY MY GOOD NAME!
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I HAVE PICS OF YOU CLICKING IT!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 16, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
YOU DO NOT!! I CALL YOUR BLUFF!!
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL!
It’s actually way funnier if I don’t explain it.
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
DOUBLE CLICK IT!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 16, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I'M NOT IN THE MOOD
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Don’t make me break out my “clicking cures headaches” scientific study.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 16, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
BUT WAS IT DONE BY SOMEONE AT HARVARD???
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
And it will be so anti-climactic when you do, which makes it even more funny.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU
I tweet (more often than I blarg).
No, now it’s just not going to happen.
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
CLICK IT RUSSEL MARTIN
/crickets
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by bgunn on Sep 16, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
CLICK IT FASTER!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 16, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
HAMSTER HIDER
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Sep 16, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
RODENT RUBBER
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 16, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
It did, thankfully!
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 16, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Good!
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Also needs to explore
1. Bringing back “Calle Ocho” as his walkup music.
2. Lengthening his pre-at bat ritual by 7 more seconds.
by yankeessuck8991 on Sep 16, 2010 2:49 PM PDT reply actions
I’ll be honest – that ritual used to be charming when he was the fun-loving, hit-anything-anywhere Panda. Now I watch him do that and think “Just concentrate on hitting the goddamn ball!”
I’m not a nice person.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU
I tweet (more often than I blarg).
LOL
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Platoon him with Renteria, with Uribe moving around on defense.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Giants told him to swing at crap
I think the Giants org is so focused on his conditioning they’re not paying attention to the fact that he’s swinging at crap.
I don’t think this is exactly right. As I recall, they encouraged him to swing at crap. “Stop thinking”…… I said at the time that was the worst possible advice.
I’d platoon him, or spot start him against soft ballers. RH, I would rather have almost anyone up than him, maybe except Rowand or Whiteside.
And the worst part, those fukin’ douchenozzles over at the MCC get to lord this over us.
BINGO!
Maybe he wasn’t even looking for anything in particular, and that’s the problem.
I am totally convinced the only thought in Pablo’s head when going to the plate is “see ball, swing as hard as I can to hit ball”
I've been meaning to share these:
Giants sporcle quizzes I made
Players from 2010: http://www.sporcle.com/games/yankeessuck8991/SFGiants2010
Players from 2009: http://www.sporcle.com/games/yankeessuck8991/SFGiants2009
Opening day lineups 1990-2010: http://www.sporcle.com/games/yankeessuck8991/SFGiants_Opening_Day
Have fun!
by yankeessuck8991 on Sep 16, 2010 3:02 PM PDT reply actions
Opening day lineups are documented on the plaques on the planter boxes south of McCovey Cove and north of Lot A. It makes for a great stroll for G’s fans…it’s amazing how many people you forget.
/2010_Bowker
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
blah, i missed Waldis Joaquin.
took me a bit to even remember who was even on the team opening day… bowker, downs, derosa…
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
who, who, and who???
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
exactly. does anyone even remember Joaquin pitching this year? I had one spot left, and thought it was Hinshaw, who is on the 40-man.
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I mentally blocked out Joaquin.
I wouldn’t put him in with a 432 run lead.
by yankeessuck8991 on Sep 16, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I do.
It was terrible. Wellemeyer-esque.
"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug
I forgot Mark DeRosa.
LOL.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 16, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
i almost did too, but they put positions next to it so i was hinted into remember Mr. Flappy Tendon
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
You think that's bad
I forgot Freddy Sanchez and Darren Ford.
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
thats really bad considering if you type in sanchez, both of them go in. you don’t have to differentiate between freddy and jonathan.
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
i just went with lasts- time saver!! lol
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
101/189
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Easiest one I missed was J.T. Snow D:
Waking up stressed out because you’ve been running from zombies all night is a stupid way to spend your adulthood. - Howie
You should do one of these with McC memes
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
This would be cool to see
SF_Giants
Sanchez is on the mound tonight w/ a 12IN scoreless streak. He’s 3IN shy of matching his longest scoreless streak, 15IN in 2008 #SFGiants
Gallaraga's do it with 28 outs
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Well, let's see.
His BABIP in 2008 was .356; in 2009, it was .350; in 2010, it’s .287. Were his BABIP about the same, he’d be hitting something like .320 right now, not .263. His power, as measured by power factor, is about 98% of his pre-2010. His walks rate is about equal to—a hair over—his pre-2010 results. So what it all comes down to is balls in play not going for hits as they did earlier in his career.
Now, contrary to popular belief, BABIP for batters is not all “luck”: it is in part how hard you hit the ball, and where (air, ground, line drive, poopup, etc.). So the drastic falloff in BABIP doesn’t necessarily mean just “bad luck”, and most observers probably agree he is not hitting with as much authority as before. But it is not that he is striking out a lot more than previously, not at all (13.5% this year vs. 13.1% last year): we just notice his flailings more because they are not accompanied by offsetting rocket line drives.
So what we see is not some total collapse, but rather a higher percentage of balls in play not being hit as hard as we are used to. Some of that may be poor strike-zone judgement reflected not in K rate, but in poorly hit pitches, and it probably is. But, again, that’s scarcely some major collapse.
Also worth noting is that at the start of the year, he was doing very well. Then “The Troubles” arose, and he was quite bad till the day he returned from settling up matters in Venezuela; from that day (July 28, as I recall), he returned to looking pretty good, and his August numbers reflect that. Then he somehow fell off the wagon again—but that has only been for a couple of weeks or so now.
In sum: reports of his demise have been greatly exaggerated. He does need remedial work with Meulens on pitch selection, but there is no clear indication that he cannot recover (starting any day), and quite a bit to suggest that he can.
Play him. Give him reasonable rest, but play him.
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by owlcroft on Sep 16, 2010 3:24 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
You had me at poopup.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
by DrDC on Sep 16, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
LOLOL
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 16, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
This was pretty much my sense as well. I still have hopes that he turns into one of the good bad-ball hitters, but even those need to know which bad balls they can hit well, and which they can’t.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Yes, and . . .
. . . that was composed before GiantPain posted the O-Contact stats:
2009: 75.5 %
2010: 77.5 %
He really is just not that far off, in any way, from what he was when he was really, really good. It is unwise to adduce causes till one is certain that there is an effect to be explained. Just let Meulens have a chance to tell him “Forget that ‘swing-away’ shit BigHead told you and actually look at the incoming pitch.” I daresay that might be all it takes.
We do remember, don’t we, that Bochy said in pretty much just those words, “Yeah, he should just swing away”?
(And the other matter is a callback to the otherthread discussion on spelling checkers and typos.)
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So, you’re saying my secret hope that Pablo morphs into a longer lasting Kirby Puckett isn’t unfounded?
In all gravity, I do think there are some lessons for Pablo that may require failure to drive home. My hope is that Pablo proves he is wise enough to learn from his own mistakes, whatever a hitting coach or manager might say.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
so, does this mean he isn't hitting mostly popups and weak ground balls?
I mean, he’s Jose Guillen, statistically at the plate and in the field. Isn’t he? He forces Bochy to use the hit and run, otherwise he’d probably set the GiDP record. He’s a below average player against left handed pitching, for sure. It’s too late in the season to use the “he’s due” fallacy.
And the worst part, those fukin’ douchenozzles over at the MCC get to lord this over us.
Well, there are many ways to interpret the numbers.
“The numbers”, in this case, are mostly what BaseballReference.com lists as “ratio batting”. One indicator is percentage of fly balls that are on the infield; in 2009, it was 11%, this year it’s 13%; to me, that does not look like an earthshaking difference. On the other hand, his HR-to-flyball ratio is barely over half of what it was last year, suggesting that he’s just not driving the ball as hard—hard enough to get out of the infield about as usual, but not hard enough to clear the fences as regularly.
More generally, most of the numbers all down the line look just a little worse than last year: the exceptions are the HR/FB ration and the BABIP. It is that pair that makes me feel that what is going on is that he is swinging at about the same percentage of bad pitches, and getting about the same number of balls in play, and striking out and walking about as usual, but that the bad pitches he puts into play are nontrivially worse “bad pitches” than he had to deal with last year, so he isn’t squaring them up as well.
If that is so, then what he needs to do is simply—how trippingly that “simply” falls from the tongue—make adjustments. Till this year (and arguably into this year) the league was pitching him like any good hitter, but now they realize that he does not control his swing, so they feel confident throwing him really bad balls, and he hasn’t yet learned the difference between bad pitches and really bad pitches. If he can just (another easy word) shave a little off the outer extremes of his present strike zone, he should be OK—I don’t think he needs to stay strictly in the zone, just not go wildly outside it.
He’s young. I have high hopes.
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OH WOW
hankschulman
Lineup: Renteria SS, F Sanchez 2B, Huff 1B, Posey C, Burrell LF, Uribe 3B, Guillen RF, Rowand CF, J. Sanchez P.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Is this real life?
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 16, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Sadly, yes. It’s also nothing close to fantasy. Least not any fantasies I’ve had.
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
No, those are your sick fantasies, Corn. I’m a lady.
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Fuck, he's being a gamer isn't, he
Playing through the pain and now he’s going to be playing at a reduced level. Guillen, at a reduced level. FUCK
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
…and an air comma!
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
AND ACTUALLY IT'S A MISPLACED COMMA
Fuck it, I’m going home.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
GEEEZUSSSS
Waking up stressed out because you’ve been running from zombies all night is a stupid way to spend your adulthood. - Howie
LOL AT ALL YOU WHO SAID GUILLEN WASNT GONNA PLAY
LOL ME
LOL GIANTS
LOL plzthrowaperfectgamein35inningsjonathan
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
I mean Jesus
And I thought Bochy hated Matt Cain. Yuck.
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I seriously cannot believe this outfield defense. A hurt Guillen with Rowand to fill the gaps on both sides?
I fear lots of XBH tonight into the gaps.
Also Lead off hitter: Edgar Renteria. Yeah, that just happened.
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Well, today can go ahead and eat a greasy bag of dicks.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 16, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Andre Ethier never jokes about greasy dicks. He’s deadly serious.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 16, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
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Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
by scout6 on Sep 16, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 10 recs
I small green.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
LOL me
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Actually, in some circles, yes
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
OMG rec'd
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
other than Guillen (who K’d four times against Lilly), this isnt THAT bad of a lineup. Why? Rowand hit Lilly well last time. Renteria leading off? why not, need to try all options to find something to use. Renteria also hit Lilly well last time.
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe Guillen/Rowand/Renteria hit a home run against a Dodger earlier this season
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
i dont agree with that logic, but at this point, something has to be done to shake up the offense and make it produce.
I thought Renteria and Rowand both went 2-4 vs Lilly last time, and neither were on a “hot streak” so it’s just possible they see the ball from Lilly
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
in general? i know it’s SSS, but when a hitter has very high numbers against a pitcher, that can indicate that he just sees the ball well out of that particular pitchers hand well. mind you, im talking about guys who hit around .500 off a pitcher with over 30ABs lifetime
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I just don’t really understand the concept (when you are talking about hitters from the same side of the plate).
I don’t think it makes a difference, left or right side of the plate. Furcal and Kemp, is it?, are LH and RH, yet both have high career numbers vs RH Matt Cain, in the .500 avg/30AB category.
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
You'd have to be literally in the mid-.400s . . .
. . .over 30 AB before you get into 3-SDs territory.
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The best way to make the offense produce
Is to put your best hitters out there consistently.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
that's crazy talk
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
SO CRAZY IT MUST MIGHT WORK AMIRITE?
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
so crazy that Bochy would never try it!
(Actually, tonight’s lineup mostly comprises the Giants best hitters, by wOBA)
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
Yep agreed
I was generally disagreeing with the train of thought that you need to “shake up the offense”.
If these guys are the most historically productive hitters we have against left-handed pitching, I have no problem with it.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
i'm with you, man
i complained about last night’s lineup because i saw it as a knee-jerk/shake-up thing from Bochy — not scoring any runs, must get fast guys in lineup!
Pretty standard overmanaging. Just keep running your best hitters out there; that’s what’ll get you the best result.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
im kinda pulled both ways. our lineup is so RH heavy that against a lefty, somethings gotta give. but it should be the 7th and 8th place parts of the lineup that have revolving players, not the whole thing. Resting Freddy and Pat last night really shook it up, but I think we can continue to expect to see the 2-5 spots the same.
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
no matter the RH/LH matchup? this would work if the Giants didn’t have a RH heavy lineup
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
shake up the offense?
how many different lineups has Bochy used this year? a hundred?
And the worst part, those fukin’ douchenozzles over at the MCC get to lord this over us.
it took him awhile to get a set lineup going, but remember that we didnt have our “team” until July, and players do need time off. Regardless, when the lineup isn’t scoring, I’d say play matchups until everyone starts hitting again.
I’m sure there are stats to back up a set lineup, but I don’t know if there are stats that actually show what a “shoken-up” lineup produce, due to SSS
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought someone said yesterday's was the 115th line up he used
but I may have just imagined that
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
Though everyone hereabouts forgets it . . .
. . . or just looks the other way with their fingers in their ears, Renteria was and remains a pretty good hitter (for a middle infielder): there are only a few superstar shortstops with materially better numbers. He is not the ideal leadoff hitter, but given a manager for whom the phrase “thinking inside the box” was coined, he’s probably as good as it’s going to get absent Torres.
Rowand is another matter: whatever he once was—which was not super but passable—something (I think vision, but something) has gone seriously wrong with him the past few seasons. I have suggested in past that Kuiper save his voice by getting some pre-recorded dropins available at a button push, including among them “and it’s a quick oh-and-two on Rowand”. I’d very, very much prefer Ross in CF and Schierholtz in RF, and the splits go hang.
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agreed
i’ve kinda sorta come around on Renteria. He’s not as bad as I thought he was. I’d still prefer some speed at the top of the lineup, but he’s not a terrible choice.
Rowand, OTOH…. /facepalm
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Dear Pablo,
Please, sir. Just sit there with the fucking bat on your shoulder. You will walk every time. I can count how many strikes they throw you per at bat on my dick.
More comfortable with chicken
by billywitchdoctor.com on Sep 16, 2010 3:31 PM PDT reply actions
Is that some kind of new balancing test?
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
video or it didn't happen
And the worst part, those fukin’ douchenozzles over at the MCC get to lord this over us.
wow
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the LOLineup
if you rank these guys by wOBA, that’s pretty much your top 8 guys, ain’t it?
defense is spooky, but ehh whaddyagonnado. the speedy mcvroom lineup didn’t do shit either.
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i dont think this is so poor, depending on Guillen’s condition.
Renteria hit Lilly well last time. So did Rowand.
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Rowand got 2 hits off Guillen last time, so it’s a toss-up today
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s a fight-to-the-death I’d like to see.
/kidding
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hahah, oops. LOL Guillen pitching to Rowand. I can only wonder what the outcome of that would be…
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
And if you rank them in almost any other way . . .
. . . You get Schierholtz and Ross in RF and CF, and to blazes with handedness (Schierholtz in particular seems unaffected by seeing LHP).
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THIS MONSTER LEEEEEEEAVS
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I like St. Anger
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whats this about Sandovals “prescription” goggles?
if he has poor eyesight, why not wear them all the time? one would think that contributes to poor pich recognition/chasing what looked like a fastball out of the zone because it was a slider kinda thing…
because he had poor eyesight last year
by yankeessuck8991 on Sep 16, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
oh… i didnt know this was an old issue. in that case, put on your fucking goggles Pablo!!
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
We don't know . . .
. . . about then or now, unless someone has inside sources they aren’t revealing. Nor can we be sure that an apparently uncorrected Sandoval isn’t wearing contact lenses. But, as many have said before, there must be some optimum form of correction (even if that’s “none”), and he should be consistent in its use. The current now-this, now-that arrangement seems weird.
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kinda like Timmys change to the windup, only to find that the way he’s always pitched worker better
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
There was some offseason news that said he had his eyes checked and his eyesight wasn’t even 100%, so obviously he would be better this year with his eyes corrected.
by yankeessuck8991 on Sep 16, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
maybe he should watch all the giants cxommercials about laser eye surgery.
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by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
From Baggerly in mid-August:
Sandoval, 23, was found to have a slight astigmatism in an offseason eye exam; he has alternated between sports glasses, contact lenses and nothing at all. The tinkering is part of the natural compulsion that all slumping hitters feel, Bochy said.
Sandoval insisted he is seeing the ball fine. He had a lengthy pregame session with hitting coach Hensley Meulens and said he’d look at video to break down each of his at-bats Friday.
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Obesity
I have a hard time respecting anyone who is obese. I never respect an athlete that has absolute disregard for his conditioning. I think its fairly obvious that its nearly impossible to succeed as an elite professional athlete with the body he currently has. Until that situation is resolved I don’t think there is much else to discuss.
He is listed at 5’ 11" 245 lb.(lolz) There is no way he is even close to that but lets say it’s accurate. It still puts his BMI at 34.2 which is well in to the obese range. Unless the guy can figure out how to have the strength of character to get in shape I have zero faith the guy has the strength of character to put together a solid at bat consistently.
Man I hope he figures it out. He obviously has more potential as an athlete than all of us nerds put together.
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by elGuapo on Sep 16, 2010 3:39 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I have a hard time respecting anyone who is obese.
Wow.
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Yea should have sugar coated that a bit but the core of my argument isn’t pretty. As a country we are fat, 30% of American’s are obese. We have come to accept being overweight as the norm. He is either a young man eating himself in to an early grave and out of a job or he has a serious medical condition.
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I have a hard time respecting anyone who is obese.
Yeeeahh this is gonna go places.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 16, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I wasn’t trying to be mean. I was trying to say that my outlook on obesity revolves around how the person got to that state. I fully understand medical issues that can cause massive weight gain. I also understand there can be serious and concrete mental health correlations with obesity. I view it as a character flaw of sorts.
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That’s because you’re obviously very poorly informed about it. Weight gain isn’t always some deficiency in impulse control; it can be a product of upbringing as much as anyone else, which I suspect a contributing factor in Sandoval’s case.
The good news is, the obese people probably wouldn’t want your respect anyways.
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Just to sort this out:
I fully understand medical issues that can cause massive weight gain. I also understand there can be serious and concrete mental health correlations with obesity.
This is not the stuff that view as a character flaw. It’s obesity outside of these circles? Because, you might have an acceptable opinion somewhere in here that you’re just articulating poorly if that’s the case. But if you see medical and mental conditions as character flaws, that’s kind of beyond the pale.
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by howtheyscored on Sep 16, 2010 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Medical issues and serious mental health issues I consider illnesses. I don’t look down on people for being sick. I do however think they should get help for said illnesses.
My main issue is the acceptance of obesity in our culture. Just look a the hornet nest my statements stirred up. Its such a taboo thing to state that obesity is a flaw that can and should remedied. Outside of a thyroid condition or mental issues I do think that obesity is a serious character issue. I’m all for big is beautiful and owning your body image but its simply not healthy and just because it is so prevalent doesn’t mean it should be accepted. Doubly so for pro-athletes who are struggling with the bat.
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We’re not pro-obesity or anything, but you obviously are lacking in empathy or understanding where this whole issue is concerned.
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I think the mistake that he’s making is that he’s identifying, more or less correctly, an upsetting cultural trend, but then stating that the flaw is individual. There’s a pretty sharp disconnect there, and one that he should probably take some time to think about.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 16, 2010 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree. Obesity is absolutely a big problem in this country. Identifying it as a shortcoming in its sufferers without any sort of context is what troubles me.
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Hey, I’m overweight and fuck you.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2010 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions
You do?
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 16, 2010 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m easy.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2010 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Just like Earth girls.
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by howtheyscored on Sep 17, 2010 1:33 AM PDT up reply actions
My main issue is the acceptance of obesity in our culture. Just look a the hornet nest my statements stirred up.
Your statements didn’t stir up a hornet’s nest because of the acceptance of obesity. They stirred up a hornet’s nest because they were poorly communicated.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 16, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
lol @ bmi
Overweight Gold Medal Olympian Athletes (Athens, 2004) according to the Body Mass Index (BMI)
Shawn Crawford (USA) Sprinting (200m)
Mark Lewis-Francis (GB) Sprinting (100m Relay)
Matthew Pinsent (GB) Rowing (Coxless four)
James Cracknell (GB) Rowing (Coxless four)
Ed Coode (GB) Rowing (Coxless four)
Steve Williams (GB) Rowing (Coxless four)
David Cal (Spain) Canoeing (C-1 1000m)
Khadjimourat Gatsalov (Russia) Wrestling (84-96kg)
Artur Taymazov (Uzebekistan) Wrestling (96-120kg)
Roman Sebrle (Czechoslovakia) Decathlon
Ryan Bayley (Austria) Cycling (Sprint)
Odlanier Solis Fonte (Cuba) Boxing (81-91kg)
Alexander Povetkin (Russia) Boxing (over 91kg)
Ihar Makarau (Belarus) Judo (90-100kg)
Yuriy Bilonog (Ukraine) Shot put
More comfortable with chicken
by billywitchdoctor.com on Sep 16, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, BMI isn’t all that applicable to most athletes.
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Kind of?
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
4 out of 301 Gold Medal Olympians in Athens were ranked obese
Ok I’ll admit that BMI is far and away a horrible stat but I don’t think your numbers do anything but support my statements. There where 301 gold medals given out at the Athens Olympics and only 15 athletes ranked by BMI as overweight or obese. Only 4 of those 15 reached the Obese category of 30+ BMI. So 1.3% of the gold medal winners where considered obese according to BMI.
In the end my point is that its easy to claim that his issues at the plate are some kind of statistical variation or there is a problem with his approach. Its more difficult to fault the man for his obvious physical issues that IMHO stem from poor conditioning and lifestyle choices.
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LOL BMI FOR ATHELETES
Apparently Patrick Willis, Vernon Davis and Frank Gore need to go on diets.
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You know, I mocked BMI to a doctor once
because, of course, it doesn’t take % body fat or muscle density in account.
Of course he agreed BUT… here’s the thing. If you are not looking at overall health – just %heart attack, BMI tracks perfectly.
Because strain on your heart is the same pushing toned muscle or fat tub of goo.
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Yeah, it's plain to see . . .
. . . from Prince Fielder back to Willy Stargell, back, in fact, to Ruth, how badly excess weight cripples ball players.
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The thyroid thing is a pain. I have a diagnosed thyroid problem, I also have a Kaiser problem. They just put everyone on synthroid and consider the problem solved. If my T3 levels are fine, they don’t care about anything else. I’ve played sports all my life, I played varsity level soccer in college, I know how to eat, train, work out. I’ve had to stop playing because of the weight gain. The doctor doesn’t care that I if I eat only 1200 calories a day, spend 3 hours at the gym 6 days a week for 6 months and only lose 5 pounds..total. [You ever try to eat just 1200 calories in a day?] I kind of gave up and stopped going to the gym and working out so much because I never see any results, but we’re determined to do Upper Yosemite Falls in December so I’m back at it again and we’ll see what’s what come December.
I would hope that the Giants have access to a better medical staff than I do at Kaiser, and that an endocrinologist has been consulted. I hope…
I don't really get it about the thyroid.
I, too, have a deficiency, and take daily medication (levothyroxin, now 100 μg). I was taking a lower dose and feeling fatigued and putting on a lot of weight with no change in habits, and the dose was increased, and things seem worse rather than better. My physician is a GP, so maybe I need a specialist’s views. Also, there seems to be a divide in the medical community over whether to supplement with T3 or T4, and whether the various types of each are or are not fungible.
Jolly fun. (A fairly accurate gauge of age is the percentage of conversation devoted to medical matters.)
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It seems like there are tons of people with this issue, and a lot of debate about treatment. I hope that eventually medical science will start looking at root causes and begin to realize that there are 109 different causes requiring 1009 different treatment options.
I’ve been trying to lose the same 10-25 pounds for the past, kripes, 10 years. This time around I’m avoiding/eliminating gluten and going extremely high fiber by using fiber supplements. One of these years something will work.
And yeah, the fatigue is nuts. I could take a nap every day at 1pm. I try to only do so when I know I didn’t get enough sleep the night before.
What is his WAR?
and please don’t say what is he good for.
Nice read, G.
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http://saberlibrary.com/misc/war/
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Thanks for the link
2009 WAR: 5.3 (quality)
2010 WAR: 1.0 (bench player)
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i think the rule of thumb is that the “average” player is about 2WAR
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Agree
and the limited reading I did indicated a 0-1 WAR is a bench/replacement level player.
In the face of data, still holding out hope Panda will hit ’09 levels sometime soon. Like now…
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AHAHAHAH
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Explanations: Rowand is 8-for-22 (.364) lifetime vs. Lilly; Renteria homered off Lilly at LA on 9/4 (the 4-homers-in-last-3-innings rally)
LOL bork
renteria homered off him that one time, so he’s gonna (/picks random spot in the order) lead off!
But how will he get the ribbies?!?!?!
by yankeessuck8991 on Sep 16, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
who else are you gonna play with sandoval sitting? Fontenot, a lefty who doesn’t hit lefties well?
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
see above discussion on the self-fulfilling prophecy for Fontenot
that said, i think this is the best offensive lineup we have
i totally agree with the self fullfilling prophecy of Fontenot, but we all know Bork will play the matchups.
at least this offense is better than last years
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 16, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Rowand is also 3-for-12 on thursday night games following 2-1 wins following 1-0 losses in September in even years when it is the year of the Tiger
Is it weird
That every other major league player knows wheres he’s batting each night. Unless he’s been slumping for weeks and gets dropped in the lineup. This reminds me of a little league team where each player has to bat at each spot in the lineup to keep it fair. When thinking about it Bochy would be a phenomenal 12 year old little leaguer coach. Great at managing his young pitchers and making a noticeable attempt to get everyone in each spot of the lineup
Here’s to another 1-0 win hoping the dirty doesn’t give up one hit and lose.
BEAT LA
please
BEAT LA
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actually you’d be surprised at the sheer number of different line ups run out there by different teams. The only players that really get put in pen are like Pujols and hitters of that ilk
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
Panda has never looked good, not ever, against Billingsley.
A couple of the called strikes on this guy last night were questionable. He must have
been thinking, “Well I took it, it was outside, and they freaking called it a strike anyway”
“therefore I should swing anyway, nothing to lose” “Maybe if I strike out the ball will
get by the catcher and I can get to first anyway.” Pablo and Freddie were our
best hitters in August, now its a month for Posey, and Huff to take over.
Clutch hitting
You wanna see clutch? I’ll show you clutch hitting!
BAM!
/mainstreammedia’d
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
There is only one player that I truly believe was better in the clutch.....
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by Giant Torture on Sep 16, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Career OPS: .880
Career OPS w/2 out, RISP: .908
Theory proven!
/hits grandslam off Greg Maddux
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Also, non-baseball, this guy was pretty good too...
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by Giant Torture on Sep 16, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Some reason to hope
Carlos Beltran’s second season
Mark McGwire’s 1991 season
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I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
Still reasons to hold out hope
Pablo might actually weigh less than 240 pounds again.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
he’s going to roll back to when he was 12?
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if he barrel rolls faster than the world turns, this is possible
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
He's 280 right now and that's giving a generous estimate
Judging on how he’s been running most of the season and his tenancy to turn routine outs into infield singles he’s probably around 300.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
yeah i was thinking 320, but im not great with guessing when it comes to big guys.
he needs to lose 50lbs this offseason
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
In 1989 Barry Bonds OPS was 777
In 1990, 91, 92, 93 it was .970, .924, 1.080, and 1.136 and he was MVP 3/4 of those seasons.
777 was a lot better then than it is now. And what Bonds did to minor-league pitchers was just unfair.
Yes I guess I should have clarified that he did regress a fair amount in that season
(his 4th)- so please allow me to continue my fantasy without further interruption
In 1989
Barry Bonds didn’t weigh 260 lbs and have a beer gut.
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by Giant Torture on Sep 16, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not like that was different last year
He was a fatty when he was hitting .300 too
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"I told the family lovingly slide"
I'd challenge the idea of a good bad-ball hitter.
Anybody got any data on what pitches he actually hit last year? I seem to recall him stroking a lot of outside pitches down the left field line, but that is about it. That was more hitting the ball where it was pitched; I think a lot of those pitches were on the outside corner. I don’t think he really hit that many bad balls that one would encourage him to “swing at anything.” What he’s swinging at now are really bad balls.
And the worst part, those fukin’ douchenozzles over at the MCC get to lord this over us.
i dont know how to find pitch f/x for specific dates
but i have a pretty good memory. watch the HR he hit off Chris Smith against MIL on 6/27/09, hits he had off Jake Peavy on 9/12/08, some of the hits including the HR off Jon Garland on 4/26/09, the double he had on 6/23/09, and the hits he had against Roy Halladay on 4/26/09. Should give you some sort of indication as to how squarely he’s capable of hitting pitches that are nowhere near the strike zone.
wow!
that is a memory. Much as I admire it, I’m gonna still wonder if we don’t remember a few instances where he hit bad balls and forget that he probably got most of his hits on pitches in the strike zone. Banking on doing well against bad balls is betting against the house when the odds are stacked against you. Now one beats odds over the long run.
And the worst part, those fukin’ douchenozzles over at the MCC get to lord this over us.
Pablo is without a doubt the most frustrating AB in the majors for a fan
runners on 1st and 3rd 1 out
/swings at first pitch curveball in the dirt and hits into a easy GIDP and doesn’t even make it halfway down the line.
It’s as if he’s swinging at pitches that aren’t there, clearly he still thinks pitchers are going to throw him fat pitches.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
frustrating? yes.
most frustrating? hell no. not even the most frustrating AB in the lineup tonight (HINT HINT AARON ROWAND HINT)
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Great career numbers against ted lilly!!!!
/bork puts him at lead off
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
I propose project Panda 2.0
This time it’s not focused on his weight. Here’s the plan:
Pablo must go a certain number of at bats (say 10-15) where he is not allowed to swing. Most likely he will walk at least half of these at bats as pitchers continue to throw pitches either in the dirt or over his head.
Once pitchers realize he never swings they will start throwing strikes. Then Panda can start swinging again.
Of course I’m kidding but he is such an extreme case I wonder if something like this would actually work? Clearly he frequently has no reliable way of evaluating pitches in the batters box and making a good decision (take or swing)…so fuck it…NEW RULE…Panda can’t swing until further notice
It does, however . . .
. . . describe a good off-season training method. It has been done, with success, in the past: set the hitter in the batter’s box for an hour or more a day and have him just watch pitch after pitch, each time calling “ball” or “strike” as he sees it, and getting immediate corrective feedback from the catcher, or a coach, on every call.
The problem with that, self-evidently, is that it is tremendously time-consuming, for both the player and the staff (requiring at least a pitcher and a catcher, and possibly a coach) day in and day out. But for a potential return such as his talent suggests, it may well be worth it.
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Yes
But I expected hot garbage at all times from pedro feliz and aaron blowand where as pablo was my love child last year and is now is the new pedro feliz minus the “being in shape” part.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Well, you know, Buster is basically Pedro Feliz, just at catcher all the time and with more walks and BA.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK
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To clarify: I am endlessly amused at how often Feliz is STILL invoked as the comparison for any non-core player we have or might consider. Every once in a while, I just do the Feliz comparison to some completely dissimilar player, just for giggles.
I don’t know if anyone else ever gets what I’m doing, but I’M always entertained by my little jokes.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
I thought bruce bochy finally understood guillen did nothing but hurt the team
clearly still jerking off to his RBI’s and dingerz with the royals and not watching him play defense because he “gets to everything hit to him so I don’t need to watch over him he’s been there”.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
A guy who's hitting a soft .270 and slugging under .400
BORK BORK BIG BAT NEEDS TO BE IN THE LINE UP!
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
he may get to everything hit to him, but that doesnt mean he catches it
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
The one thing I think everyone is forgetting
Panda is not, was not and probably never will be a good third baseman. UZR this year -3.7, UZR/150 -5.4. Even if they replace him with Renteria who proceeds to take an O-fer, Uribe would be a significant upgrade at 3B.
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Pablo looked great at 3rd last year
This year he looks like mo vaughn except he’s 23. I’m hoping its completely conditioning based but I grow tired of the horrible throws and turning routine plays into “infield singles”.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
UZR at 3B in 2009 -3.6, now I’m not saying that UZR is the end-all be-all, but I think that at best he’s an average defensive third baseman.
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by Giant Torture on Sep 16, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
UZR roughly the same
He’s below average but not horrible (-5)
When this .sig was awaiting the Final Sabean Apocalypse, I never once in a million years suspected it would be a "good" Apocalypse. Bengie... Don't let the door hit you IN YOUR GIANT ASS on the way out!
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Last year he looked surprisingly good.
by yankeessuck8991 on Sep 16, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
we may not remember what good even looks like.
until we were reminded last weekend when Uribe played 3rd against the padres and made like 3 great plays to steal hits
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
This
Matt Williams and Billy Mueller are not getting called up any time soon.
"There's not many things to do in a trailer park." - A. Huff
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Sep 16, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
The jose guillen bruce bochy love affair
Reminds me a lot of ozzie guillen and mark kotsay this year except mark kotsay can make it to first in less than 10 seconds.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Who Knows
Maybe Guillen will try to silence his critics and try so hard to make to 1B in less than a minute that his hamstring will completely explode. At least he’d be out for tonight, but I expect Bochy would probably start him again in 1-2 days.
"There's not many things to do in a trailer park." - A. Huff
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Sep 16, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Funny part is he's got a buldging disk in his neck and his calf is obviously seriously hurt
And bork gives him 3 days to “let it calm down” and then instantly puts him back in the line up because clearly he thinks he’s that important. How much longer will this dunce be allowed to cripple this team with this moronic hunches and blind unexplainable veteran love affairs?
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Until his head grows to the size that it is declared its own country and due to visa issues he is unable to enter the country.
"There's not many things to do in a trailer park." - A. Huff
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Sep 16, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
maybe bork has a bulging stupid tumor that is taking over
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
You think?
Hope, hope, hope…
"There's not many things to do in a trailer park." - A. Huff
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Sep 16, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe his doctor will tell him he needs brain surgery after having aaron rowand hit lead off over 40 games this year.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
this is seriously, seriously bad judgement. I mean, he’s not a better hitter than his alternative, has a bulging disk in his neck and a calf injury… how FUCKING DESPERATE DOES THIS LOOK
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
How fucking stupid does our manager look?
He’s probably been touching himself for days thinking about trotting the “slugger outfield” out against lilly “Mmm we’re gonna score big time runs with this line up with jose back!!!!”.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
RIBEYEZ!
"There's not many things to do in a trailer park." - A. Huff
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Sep 16, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Proven run producers with pop Mmmm bork bork
Marty lurie is getting excited just thinking about it.-
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Let’s look at it objectively. Guillen hits a ball into the gap. Instead of a triple, he gets a double. Then a sac fly that would have scored him is hit, but he can’t tag up cause he’s too slow to make it to third. Still on 2nd. The next guy hits a single to RF, but he can’t score on it because he is too slow. Now on 3rd. Another sac fly, or soft grounder in the IF is hit, but he is thrown out at home on both accounts due to speed, again.
Doesn’t it just make sense, that after he gets his first hit of the game, to just PR for him? unless he triples or HRs, he’s not gonna score no matter how you cut it. He has 2 runs for the Giants (IIRC)
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Fixed
Guillen hits a ballinto the gap.that bounces 23 times before reaching center field.
"There's not many things to do in a trailer park." - A. Huff
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Sep 16, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
It's all about the ribeyes
Digging a little deeper you find:
Nobody on: .275/.325/.788
Man on 1st: .307/.352/.765
RISP: .197/.277/.537
He is actually best when there’s a guy to move over, but not in. Put a potential ribeye in front of him though, and there’s no control. (Hmm, sort of like his eating behavior, come to think of it.)
It's orange inside
in how many chances?
how many ABs with RISP, for example?
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
Not a huge sample size, but not terribly small either.
"There's not many things to do in a trailer park." - A. Huff
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Sep 16, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, and now I feel even worse about Panda’s chances of rebounding, which I didn’t think was possible.
On another note, does anyone know how often Buster works out and what he eats? Can I take up a collection to get him a trainer and nutritionist? You guys would contribute right?
"There's not many things to do in a trailer park." - A. Huff
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Sep 16, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Did Bochy find the right answer in today's lineup?
I think he did to not only this question but to “Who should be hitting leadoff while Torres is out?” as well.
by BornRaisedAGiant on Sep 16, 2010 4:34 PM PDT reply actions
The fact that renteria is hitting lead off and guillen and rowand are in the line up
Let’s you know that bruce bochy has a 10 year contract extension coming his way.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
If Guillen's the answer...
I clearly don’t understand the question, unless who’s the light-hitting statue who used to hit for power and had lots of RIBEYEZ in RF? Then Guillen is always the answer.
"There's not many things to do in a trailer park." - A. Huff
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Sep 16, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Proven slugging veteran run producer who was on the mitchell report
I’m shocked he doesn’t hit clean up every night.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
What does Guillen have to do with either question?
Question one being “What to do with Panda?” and question two being “Who to hit leadloff while Torres is out?”
by BornRaisedAGiant on Sep 16, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Bork says: Think different
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
When Pablo "drove in" that run last night ...
If he hits that same ground ball to 2nd one pitch earlier (before Sherrill had wild-pitched the runners over to second and third) and we’ve got another rally-killing double play.
Maybe his luck is turning!!
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
The last time I complained about Renteria in the lineup
he hit that homer off Lilly. I literally was bagging on him until the actual moment he hit it. He shut me up.
Whatever works right?
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
Matt vasquerzen or however you spell his name needs to learn to read his teleprompter better
He just said “and later tonight the dodgers play the dodgers in san francisco” and then 3 minutes later he one upped that and said “and coming to you later tonight the dodgers and the cardinals at AT&T park” LOL PROMPTIN.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
He’ll read whatever’s up there, ala Ron Burgundy.
"There's not many things to do in a trailer park." - A. Huff
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Sep 16, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Someone needs to put up “go fuck yourself, self”
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s just funny how oblivious he is to everything considering there are only 5 games tonight and could care less since it starts after 10 on the east coast.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
"Go fuck yourself, San Diego"
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
THATS FUCKING DONNOVAN MCNAAB!!!!
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
“im doing what to Donovan…??? oh, nevermind, teleprompter error…uh…yeah…”
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Strange
I feel the same. Am I doing it wrong?
Yes.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2010 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
MOLE!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 16, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
This thread makes me sad
So here is a tribute to MARISA MILLER and Sergio Romo’s undying love.
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=12121339
doan worry, poplo loe he team, he wan get berry good for body to play the beisbol
Proud Aussie father of Roberto Kelly
You should feel like a MAN!
doan worry, poplo loe he team, he wan get berry good for body to play the beisbol
Proud Aussie father of Roberto Kelly
by Tim LinCyYoung on Sep 16, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I learned in school
that the pat the back hug shows friendship and not love it is not a genuine showing of emotion for another. THEY ARE NOT IN LOVE
/googles marisa miller
Mays' Field McCovey's Cove Bonds' Bleachers
He’s the romosexual friend.
doan worry, poplo loe he team, he wan get berry good for body to play the beisbol
Proud Aussie father of Roberto Kelly
by Tim LinCyYoung on Sep 16, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
breaking: Bochy's head replaces Pluto as the ninth planet
Scientists from the Lick Observatory report significant gravitational pull in the vicinity of Bochy’s head: “he really sucks,” said Dr. Science.
And the worst part, those fukin’ douchenozzles over at the MCC get to lord this over us.
Let's toast to the 24th anniversary of...
by iloveddickdietz on Sep 16, 2010 5:12 PM PDT reply actions
Hahaha
They were talking about that game on MLB network and john smoltz called it the orgin of games manship.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Would you care to have Brenley
manage the Giant’s?
by iloveddickdietz on Sep 16, 2010 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Brenly 4 errors in one inning.
Then hits two homers including game winner in ninth!!
by iloveddickdietz on Sep 16, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
oh yeah, ok… they showed a clip of that before the game yesterday IIRC
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
i wonder if the homers get one off the hook for the errors that caused probably a ton of runs.
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Roger Craig said
Brenly gets comeback player of the year just for that game!
by iloveddickdietz on Sep 16, 2010 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
No!
Bobby is one of the very nicest people in baseball—an overworked cliche that happens to be true here—and he was a really good ballplayer whom the Giants screwed out of two or three years at the start of his career (I like to think I played some part in getting him up at all when they finally made the move), but he is an awful manager. Think of him as a sweet, easy-going Bruce Bochy.
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Well then!
I just punched my ticket for Steve Decker.
by iloveddickdietz on Sep 16, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
THIS THIS THIS THIS
I’ve been on the Decker bandwagon for a few years now. If he gets snatched up by another team, I will be livid.
by yankeessuck8991 on Sep 16, 2010 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I see Bob came up at age 27.
What did you do to help Owl?
by iloveddickdietz on Sep 16, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Praised him, repeatedly and at length . . .
. . . to FRobby and anyone else in the organization who would listen. It’s hard to know what factors go into such things, but I did what I could, and I think it helped. (I also suggested, at one point when he had arrived, batting him #2, because they had no real #2 hitter then, and Robby tried it for a few days, but—though I thought it went well—he then dropped the experiment; too bad, BB walked a lot and had a great OB%.)
It was a bleeding shame the numbers he was putting up at triple-A and they just kept ignoring him. If you think Brian Sabean is a treat, you should have seen Tom Haller in action (him and Ralph Nelson, The Boy Wonder).
Which reminds me . . .
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Are they grooming
Bobby Evans for the GM job? My old school pal Kevin Towers(Sonoma High..Go Dragons!) is all abuzz for a job this off season.
by iloveddickdietz on Sep 16, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
No idea.
My connections with the Giants ceased soon after Robby was fired, which is decades ago. Now if Neukom knew what for, he’d go after Sandy Alderson, who I’d bet would be available. But going after anyone would require Neukom to realize how terrible a job Sabean is doing, and his recent interview, even after letting out air for nice-talk, does not make it sound like he has a clue. Think of it this way: keeping Sabean may be a blessing in disguise, with Omar Minaya likely to soon be available and job-hunting.
Nonetheless . . .
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/16000-diamondbacks-fans-killed-on-complimentary-ra,18061/
Mays' Field McCovey's Cove Bonds' Bleachers
that's awesome!
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 16, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I just found this.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 16, 2010 5:19 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
lol
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 16, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
excellent.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 16, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
YES
Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
"Women are all unique and interesting. As such, no real set way of dealing with them is ever correct. You wouldn’t use the same set of numbers on every combination lock you came across." - Lars
by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Paul konerko just got hit in the mouth by a pitch
to bad they aren’t playing the white sox feed I’d love to hear hawk harrellson screaming right now “WE GONNA GIT YOU BOYS JUST WAIT”.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
He took a sinker off the mouth
No blood or anything and after arguing with the umpire he stayed in the game.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
arguing with the ump? what, did he swing at it?
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
no the ump wanted him to leave the game
As did his trainers and manager. Mark burly (dont care about the spelling) just got big time revenge with a 82 mph fastball!!!
Sure is funny watching the white sox collapse after they got fat off a gift schedule.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
LOL SF State Alumni Association
Here is the subject of an e-mail I just received: “Your invited to the History Dept. Reception”
I guess it’s a good thing it wasn’t an invitation to the English Dept. Reception.
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
The strikezone stauffer got on saturday apparently has carried over to this game as well.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
you gotta be kidding me. the movement was so late and those pitches so far off the plate, that when they passed the batter than were 9" off the plate
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
looking back at the 1st, i didnt see anything abnormal on mlb gameday re: the strikezone. the only abnormal thing I saw was STL getting a run
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
It was a chasm
But the strikezone was so bad on saturday it doesn’t matter.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
i falls in.
and agrees with you. we got robbed
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
We got robbed so bad
That even random cbs sports writers we’re talking about it and eric karros was saying it was bs.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
from now on, I’d like to refer to that series as a “series we beat the crap out of the padres and tied a game”
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
of course ESPN didnt show a hint of it either
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah, Back to School Night
My most enduring memory of BTS night as a teacher was two years ago, when I got into my car, turned on the radio and heard that Eugenio Velez debacle in Arizona.
I’d like something positive upon turning on the radio this year, please.
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
To which Eugenio Velez debacle in Arizona are you referring? There have been a few.
Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
"Women are all unique and interesting. As such, no real set way of dealing with them is ever correct. You wouldn’t use the same set of numbers on every combination lock you came across." - Lars
by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
It doesn't really matter
They are all roughly the same, anyway.
Although, come to think of it, that one was pretty bad as I recall.
I don’t remember specifics except it involved multiple plays and one of them was a game costing one in left field.
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
The Eugenio Velez Debacle
is a fucking GREAT prog rock band name.
When this .sig was awaiting the Final Sabean Apocalypse, I never once in a million years suspected it would be a "good" Apocalypse. Bengie... Don't let the door hit you IN YOUR GIANT ASS on the way out!
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game totally stalled and basically dead at this point
above.
Renteria
Sanchez
Huff
Posey
Burrell
someone
Guillen
someone
J Sanchez
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
You just ruined a mans day
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Someone is pretty good...
I heard that Other was going to lead off…
Really Rentaria leading off…we couldn’t find someone who just came off the DL for leg injury to lead off? Also, Rent takes no pitches..
It's not that bad.
His walks rate is somewhat below average, but he’s by no means an out-and-out Velez-style hacker. But ideally, he’s a #7 hitter (and if he is, that means you’ve got a rather good lineup going, else he’s up in #1 or #2).
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
looks like a 10 spot to me.
When this .sig was awaiting the Final Sabean Apocalypse, I never once in a million years suspected it would be a "good" Apocalypse. Bengie... Don't let the door hit you IN YOUR GIANT ASS on the way out!
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game totally stalled and basically dead at this point
Don't look
Seriously.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Keep playing him, for the love of God keep playing him. Just not as much, please.
I’m standing by my “played hella baseball last MLB season, didn’t stop playing hella baseball all winter, and continued playing hella baseball this season” theory. The physical fatigue that comes with that kind of scheuled is probably overrated, but the mental fatigue is probably underrated.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
LOL bow tie
"In terms of Bruce’s performance this year, I think it’s been outstanding," Neukom said before Wednesday’s game. "He’s had to do a lot of juggling of lineups. He’s had to deal with more injuries this year, as you’ve noticed…
"And I think he’s got a real talent for putting people in positions where they can succeed."
clearly his guillen love affair is all part of him “juggling the line up” for the best results.
/facepalm
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
i think the most successful position for Guillen is hot-dog vendor. but thats me
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Even granted that he needs to make nice . . .
. . . that does not bode well. Perhaps the most accurate and telling description of Bochy’s performance is that he has a real talent for putting people in the positions where they’re most likely to fail.
Which adds sad irony to . . .
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Furcal SS
Theriot 2B
Blake 3B
Kemp CF
Loney 1B
Mitchell LF
Johnson RF
Barajas C
Lilly P
what the guy who replies to it says:
possibly the most attractive lineup in major league baseball. Had Ethier and Gibbons been in the lineup, it would be THE most attractive lineup in major league baseball.
Gibbons had that one home run that one time… remember? no? thing is, it happened.
Guess they both subscribe to stupidity
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
What the hell did he say now?
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 16, 2010 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Link me what he said
I always enjoy giggling at a moron.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
I’m really hoping Pablo is just having a “sophomore slump.” And that he will take the time during the offseason to make whatever adjustments he needs to make.
jerry crawford is behind the plate for todays twins white sox game
And he’s calling a tight zone and not giving anything off the plate.. Where the fuck was that shit on saturday? Not like stauffer was on a pitch count or anything so clearly the calling everything a strike didn’t help him at all….
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
all i ask of an umpire is that their zone is consistent, pitch to pitch, inning to inning, game to game.
by giant4life83 on Sep 16, 2010 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I just don't understand why he is calling is so much different than he was on saturday
Of course posey and the giants players speak up and he yells at them and acts like a phil cuzzi and that he’s doing nothing wrong. I don’t really understand how you can be such a ignorant douche, but it’s pretty easy to tell someone was on a mission that saturday.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
I was an umpire for ten years.
Crusher games in Rohnert Park,Mexican League, college ball and so on. The home plate umpire sees about 250-300 pitches per game and around the seventh or eighth inning you start to get “tunnel vision” and the strike zone disappears or shrinks for a number of pitches. I panicked when this happened to me a couple of times,but it goes away after a awhile. So it is difficult to be totally consistent. By the way, if we missed more than 7 pitches we got written up.
by iloveddickdietz on Sep 16, 2010 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions
If that applied to jerry crawford
He’d have been sent to jail for a life sentence.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
I know ,these guys are below average.
I should’ve stayed with it but talk about a clique!!!
by iloveddickdietz on Sep 16, 2010 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
OT: Can I say that this really really sucks
The new Us Weekly (on newsstands now) exclusively reports the staggering amounts of money the cast of MTV’s “Jersey Shore” are raking in:
SNOOKI
The star charges $20,000 to walk an event’s red carpet. She also has hair products and a book in the works.
SAMMI
She earns $15,000 for event appearances. Plus, “I have beauty and fitness products in the works,” she says.
RONNIE
For party hosting, he gets “$12,000 to $20,000,” says his manager, Matt Cohen, adding that he also has plans to sell his signature drink, “Ron-Ron Juice.”
VINNY
The house’s most mellow member earns $6,000 an hour to appear at clubs and, a source tells Us, “he’s recording a single.”
PAULY D
Want to get DJ Pauly D to spin beats at a bash? The going rate is a cool $20,000.
THE SITUATION
He’ll earn about $100,000 for “Dancing With the Stars”; his cologne, fitness DVD and endorsement for a nutritional supplement could net him millions.
JWOWW
In addition to the $25,000 they each make per show, her Filthy Couture fashion line helps pay the bills.
ANGELINA
The lowest earner of the bunch ($5,000 for appearances), she has an accessories line under way.
Men who watch that show and are older than 18 confuse me to no end but there’s plenty of gary radnich’s out there.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
I guess it’s just so stupid that it’s entertaining.
Jeaaaggaahh
by Soulbrother16 on Sep 16, 2010 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Same people that turned talentless whores like kim kardashian and paris hilton into “celebrities”.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Kim K at least has a trunk
Unfortunately she has a bunch of ugly annoying sisters that morons give attention to and are also deemed “celebrities”. Paris hilton looks more like a peacock than she does a actual human being but no one cares about her not even the dumbest of entertainment tonight viewers.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
I'm not sure who coined that wonderful phrase . . .
. . . famous for being famous, but it really hits the nail. OK, God bless the internet, it was Daniel J. Boorstin, who is a historian and a good writer. The exact original was defining a celebrity as celebrity as “a person who is known for his well-knownness”.
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Never seen the show. I have no idea who these people are.
/elitist snob
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU
I tweet (more often than I blarg).
Man, I never want to get near anything called “Ron-Ron Juice.” That sounds absolutely disgusting.
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by Prussian Creole on Sep 16, 2010 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions
CardinLOLs
So fucking pathetic.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
1 run game
Padres generally win those.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Computer OT: Just found out IE9 Beta is out...
Anyone try it? How is it?
Chrome is pretty good but the flash issues are killing me…Firefox lost me with the memory problems.
When I used it on my MacBook it would eventually suck up a ton of resources and give me lots of spinning wheels. I use mainly Chrome now, despite its many problems on Mac.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU
I tweet (more often than I blarg).
what not to do
start him at third-though Uribe keeps making errors and doing nothing at the plate.Fontenot plays
by notinmylifetime on Sep 16, 2010 7:21 PM PDT reply actions
what to do with Panda
1. Take away his per diem.
2. Lap Band.
3. Adkins diet.
4. Rub butter on him and cook in the oven for 4-6 hours.
5. Feed him Euk leaves. Sorry couldn’t spell eucalyptus.
6. Roll in flour and look for wet spot. Oops wrong subject.
by Longtimewaiting on Sep 17, 2010 12:36 AM PDT reply actions
what to do with Rowand
1. Get him back on the juice.
2. Ah fuck it. Bench the piece of shit.
by Longtimewaiting on Sep 17, 2010 12:37 AM PDT reply actions
What to do with Velez
1. Who is this moron anyway?
2. IQ at 47 perhaps stem cell transplant.
3. Make him watch Say Hey films until his eyes glaze over.
4. Send this retard packing.
by Longtimewaiting on Sep 17, 2010 12:39 AM PDT reply actions
Velez is many things, a good ball player might not be one of them, but that doesn’t make him a retard. He is by far one of the nicest guys on the team.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Sep 17, 2010 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions
What to do with starting pitching
1. Hit like tonight.
2. Keep Pitching like the past two weeks.
3. Buy Lincecum, Cain, Sanchez, Bumgarner a hooker or four. Don’t buy one for Barry, he can afford his own.
by Longtimewaiting on Sep 17, 2010 12:42 AM PDT reply actions
What to do with bullpen
1. Don’t wake them from this September trance. Is it one earned run in September. Holy shit they have been good.
2. Oops. I didn’t mean to make the baseball Gods mad. They’ll probably give 30 run in relief tomorrow.
by Longtimewaiting on Sep 17, 2010 12:44 AM PDT reply actions
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