Post-game thead: Giants lose 1-0 on an error. Other than that...
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 14, 2010 9:33 PM PDT
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PrintIt’s such a fine line between the Giants being a repugnant offensive team and Clayton Kershaw being a fantastic pitcher. It’s like an MC Escher print. Studying it isn’t going to give you any answers. It’s impossible to determine where one ended and the other began. A good rule of thumb is that when Clayton Kershaw has his best command, it’s probably going to be a tough night. It’s hard to even complain that the Giants were being too impatient with their quick outs -- it’s not like they were going to work a walk tonight. Kershaw was too good.
Juan Uribe giveth, and Juan Uribe taketh away.
And for the second time this year, the Giants have lost a game in which they allowed one hit. That’s the 48th time since 1920 that a Major League Baseball has done that. Again, it’s the second time this year it’s happened. Also of note: that’s the second time this year the Giants have lost a game in which they allowed one hit.
I think I’ll go watch "Grave of the Fireflies" to cheer myself up.
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If nothing else,
Octavio Dotel let me autograph his hat in BP before the game! Hahaha, absolutely EPIC moment.
WORST GAME OF YEAR
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Sep 14, 2010 9:34 PM PDT reply actions
I blame Grant for talking about college football
He should stick to sports he knows about. Like Cricket.
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This is cheering me up
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This is that time that GW Bush struggled to find the door, isn't it?
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by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 14, 2010 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Averaging 3 runs a game in September
Brilliant. And with BORK, who knows?
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
it was all Bork's fault
thanks for the analysis.
And that is why I don’t have faith in the Giants in the playoffs.
You can’t lose games like that.
One hit.
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LOL Giants in playoffs
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by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 14, 2010 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions
how is anyone blaming the pitching?
if your staff gives up one run in nine innings, they aren’t to blame for a loss
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Dodgers fans eat their young.
not just one run
ONE GODDAMN HIT.
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cause people are dumb
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look, my only point was that Zito, for the third start in a row, walked multiple people in one inning and for the third time in a row, it cost us the game. I’m not talking about just tonight. Yes, he pitched well enough to win. Yes, Uribe miffed the grounder that would have ended the inning. But I’m talking about what led to the Uribe play in the first place. I’m not saying anything about the game as a whole.
What I’m talking about is the consistent problem of Barry Zito walking multiple batters in an inning and it ending up costing the team the game.
by giant4life83 on Sep 14, 2010 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions
So, so wrong.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 14, 2010 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
But the reason that one bad inning can cost the team the game (and not even catastrophically bad; we’re talking like a one or two run inning here) is that the offense is consistently failing when Zito starts.
Pitchers will ocasionally lose control in an inning. Zito pitched out of it, but the rest of the team let him down. It happens, but I don’t want to be the one to jump on anyone but the offense for what happened in this game.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
I’m not gonna go down the road of “the offense should have scored more” because theres no telling where the offense is to blame, and the opposing pitching was just too good.
I’m not talking about tonights game only either.
What I’m talking about is that the offense gets handcuffed by an opponent, Zito has a single-inning meltdown with 2-3 walks. It is those single inning meltdowns that are what I am talking about. Not whether we win or lose the game, thats not the point. It is the meltdowns that cost us the game everytime.
But yknow what, forget about it, because ya’ll are just gonna tell me how wrong I am, how stupid i am, and how full of shit i am, so i dont want to get into it. Just know that there is a problem with single-inning meltdowns by Barry Zito in which he walks multiple people only to have it bite him in the ass. If you don’t think that is a recurring problem that needs to be addressed, i guess you aren’t looking at the big picture and what those meltdowns mean to the outcome of games.
that’s all. let the attacks commence
by giant4life83 on Sep 14, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ll only point out to you that the Giants have scored either 2 runs or less or 3 runs or less (can’t remember) in 20 of Zito’s 30 starts. That’s 2/3 of the games Zito has pitched in where he’s gotten little or no run support.
It’s just really, really hard not to have single bad innings magnified when your offense isn’t backing you up.
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and I agree about the run support issue. That is a big deal too.
But for me, it’s about the walks that always lead to his meltdowns. If he’d have given up 3 straight singles, that’s one thing. But this time he beans a guy, sac bunt, 2, yes 2 outs, and he pitches around/cant throw strikes to Furcal (ill assume pitching around) then Either comes up. He HAS to throw strikes to Either if he’s gonna pitch around Furcal like that. It’s just another strike-throwing meltdown, he can’t find the zone when it counts… for the upteenth time this season.
by giant4life83 on Sep 14, 2010 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, he was awful.
I can’t imagine a team in baseball that would settle for such a performance. Imagine! A hit! DFA him, right now.
It’s one thing to be wildly unhappy about a painful loss, but it’s quite another to wildly flail about lashing out at people who had nothing to do with it.
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Look, if Zito can't learn how to throw perfect games, is he REALLY worth any money at all?
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by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 14, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
dont fucking mock me. you dont see it the same way i do? fine. then dont say anything. but do not fucking mock me. fucking disrespectful and classless.
by giant4life83 on Sep 14, 2010 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mocking everyone is a central plank of McCoven culture. If you don’t want to ever be mocked, it’s probably not a good fit for you.
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im giving it my all trying to put what im thinking into words, while others go up and say that shit, yeah, its disrespecful. if they wont put any thought into the discussion, and instead mock me, then yeah, that’s not cool.
by giant4life83 on Sep 14, 2010 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Toughen up.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2010 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Good-natured mocking, maybe. Relative newcomers have a certain obligation to get to know the conventions of a community they enter, but I also think longtime members have an obligation to know who they’re talking to, too. Otherwise it’s just hazing (and I don’t like hazing).
by non sequitur on Sep 14, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I think newcomers need to spend at least one week reading stuff before posting here. We all get mocked (and mocked when we’re not even here).
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by LincecumFTK on Sep 14, 2010 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
esp. when they go really off topic.
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i like the off-topicness though. keeps it interesting.
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by LincecumFTK on Sep 14, 2010 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions
four years of obsessive lurk
is good enough for me.
mccoven seems to be reacting a little convulsively to the influx of folks via yahoo. understandable. correct me if i’m wrong.
shooting down newbs and trolls can get sporty around these parts…
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by howtheyscored on Sep 14, 2010 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions
The walks that lead to his meltdowns...
Meaning Bochy should be pulling him at the first sight of trouble (or even before) instead of leaving him out there to blow up
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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honestly, after he nibbled at Either and failed, Ramirez should have come in. to me, eithier was his chance to get out of the inning. once he walked him, the odds of getting out of it go waaaay down.
by giant4life83 on Sep 14, 2010 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Yet he did.
Zito is the pitcher, not the shortstop. The odds of his getting out of the inning average over 2/3. The current NL-average OBP is .314, so his chances of getting out of a 2-out situation average 0.686. Yes, that assumes an NL-average batter, but also an NL-average pitcher, so he’s probably still well over 2 chances in 3.
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I would describe the inning he gave up one run today as a 'meltdown'. He was ahead of the hitter 1-2 when he plunked him. The pitch was inside, but the batter(forget who)Johnson, I think...got his hands moving towards the pitch. Again...Zito got the
grounder to get out of the inning.
Zito has had his meltdown innings…this wasn’t one of them…The dude gave up one hit. His last two starts have been promising.
The Giants have too many hackers in the lineup. They can’t seriously start Rowand with any consistency and think for one second that he’s not detrimental to the offense. Aaron sucks…Nate should be playing instead of him.
personally, giving up 3 baserunners without a hit is what I’d call a meltdown. If its 3 straight hits, that means he’s throwing strikes, just people are hitting them. But when the runners are all reaching because he can’t throw strikes, I’d call that a meltdown.
And I agree about the hackers, Sandoval shouldn’t hit from the right side, ever, and Uribe we can live with because he produces. But 3- esp in a row- is too many, when you consider the pitcher hits too.
by giant4life83 on Sep 14, 2010 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions
3 baserunners IN AN INNING without an hit is melting down.
by giant4life83 on Sep 14, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
considering how often it happens with him, and considering how well he seems to pitch outside of those innings, how would you describe it? normal occurance?
by giant4life83 on Sep 14, 2010 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
In this particular instance, tonight’s game, he got the ground ball this ‘contact pitcher’ needed. His fielder did not make the play. A ball did not leave the infield and a run was allowed. That is not the classic definition of ‘meltdown’ in a baseball game. ONE RUN IS NOT A GODDAMN MELTDOWN.
by Every6thDay on Sep 14, 2010 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
no, he should have gotten out of it, i agree, but the events leading up to him having to “get out of it” is the problem- especially the walk to eithier. that is where the entire game changed. you pitch around furcal, fine. then you better go after the next guy with your usual approach, not nibble around him because he wont bite. and, surprise, eithier didnt bite, and how you have a much less favorable matchup and it turns out the way it did.
by giant4life83 on Sep 14, 2010 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Especially since the walk to Furcal was a semi intentional walk. The one thing I would say was that I would have pulled him after he walked Ethier. Even though he was pitching well, I didn’t like the matchup with Blake and would have put in the righty. Yeah, he got the groundball, but that was actually a hard hit ball that would have been a two run single to center if it doesn’t hit the mound and take a bounce back to Uribe.
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by rxmeister on Sep 15, 2010 3:59 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't you mean a three run play?
Is it not likely that Rowand would of airmailed Posey trying to save the second run and costing a third?
by BornRaisedAGiant on Sep 15, 2010 4:39 AM PDT up reply actions
This kinda makes me miss the Humm Baby 4 Haiti guy…
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by short_shifter on Sep 14, 2010 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Don’t know how to win, obviously.
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by Giant among Angels on Sep 14, 2010 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions
This is why I hate the Giants also
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by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 14, 2010 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions
FUCK
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by sadison bummedgarner on Sep 14, 2010 9:36 PM PDT reply actions
At least
if we don’t make the playoffs Bork or Sabes might get fired
Kevin Mitchell has a black belt in keeping it real.
lol u
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then I woke up
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by kbsofaraway08 on Sep 14, 2010 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
. . . and nothing had changed.
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by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2010 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
They kept their jobs after last year
They’re on track to win more games than last year.
They’re staying.
HAHAHAHA
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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by sadison bummedgarner on Sep 14, 2010 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions
This team would get embarrassed in the playoffs. Not nearly enough offense to go anywhere.
Uribe is Mang who cong tru een clush
by Buster-Jangle on Sep 14, 2010 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Offense don't mean shit in the playoffs.
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Maybe it won’t mean shit the last 17 games and we’ll take the division!
Uribe is Mang who cong tru een clush
by Buster-Jangle on Sep 14, 2010 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHA
I swear, Brian Sabean is like the Glen Sather of MLB. He won’t get fired for anything, not for paying ridiculous amounts of money and term to mediocre free agents, and not for missing the playoffs.
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MUHAHAHAHAHAHA
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 14, 2010 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Pfft, we wouldn’t have gotten this close without them.
Jeaaaggaahh
by Soulbrother16 on Sep 14, 2010 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
At least everyone had low expectations about the game before it even started.
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It was our worst against their best.
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Brandon Belt: The Triforce of Power
Our worst who?
The guy who gave up zero earnies? Yeah, gotta be his fault. A good pitcher not only doesn’t give up runs, he takes negative runs from the opposition. If Z had pitched well, the Dodgers would have had -3 runs.
Sheesh.
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by owlcroft on Sep 14, 2010 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
fracon was talking about pregame expectations
Barry Zito is the worst Giants starter. Clayton Kershaw is the best Dodgers starter. One would expect the Dodgers to have a good chance of winning a matchup of those two pitchers.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
"Expect"?
What do you suppose is the origin of the old saying “That’s why they play the games”? Or of “On any given day, any given team can beat any other given team”?
(And for what it’s worth, Zito has—despite the ERAs involved—pitched a hair better than Bumgarner, who has been doing it with smoke and mirrors.)
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smoke and mirrors?
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Sep 14, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps an exaggeration . . .
. . . or perhaps not.
Pitcher BA BABIP SA HA PF BBA KA OBA TBA K/W TPP NL average: .258 .301 .403 .231 1.559 .079 .192 .310 .361 2.440 704 Zito: .254 .289 .404 .224 1.588 .088 .176 .312 .355 2.000 705 Bumgarner: .266 .295 .424 .247 1.594 .054 .167 .301 .393 3.095 712
I’d say the key stats are OBA and TBA (TB/PA): Bumgarner has a triflingly lower than league-average OBA but a significantly higher TBA. So “smoke and mirrors” may not be too far off.
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I’m a bit confused by some of these stats. For instance, I thought BBA was Walks/Batters Faced? How can that be > 1?
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Now I'm confused.
I suspect your display doesn’t match what I’m seeing. The only stat >1 is PF, the power factor (TB/H); BBA is the next datum to the right, and is indeed BB/PA. Also: HA is H/PA (to parallel BBA and KA, K/PA).
Bumgarner is walking fewer than average, but giving up more hits than average (hence his nearly average OBA but above-average TBA). His K/BB looks good, and that in itself is a useful predictor, but he needs to get his HA down (especially as he, like Zito, is already benefitting from a very slightly below-average BABIP).
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That was just stupid stupid stupid. I can’t even describe how disappointed I am in the Giants tonight. I don’t give a shit that Kershaw threw a good game, that was just pathetic and to let it happen again fuck that and fuck you Giants.
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by 27freethrows on Sep 14, 2010 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
and the next game
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The next two are must-wins. Their playoff hopes are fucked if they can’t win the series.
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t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
A dose of reality never hurt anyone
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- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 14, 2010 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't see how that's the case.
As long as we’re less than 3 games back going into the final series of the season, there are absolutely hopes. Of course I don’t want it to come to that, but mathematically, we still have breathing room….and not in a “Gee, we’re only nine games back with 27 left to play” way.
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Ah, I'm sorry. That makes a lot more sense.
I’d say welcome to the Light side of the Force, but after a night like tonight, I might have to wait.
…er….Good game?
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by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2010 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, that sucked.
Back to my Spanish homework.
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 9:38 PM PDT reply actions
Buena suerte.
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by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2010 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Gracias.
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Now they’re going to get showy by winning a no-hitter tomorrow. Billingsley is going to fucking annihilate them, as always. And the sweep is very, very likely.
Dude, really?
Cain tomorrow, Sanchez Thursday. I still feel 2 out of 3. This game truly sucked through and through, but I still feel positive. The Giants are going to win the division.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 14, 2010 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Have you watched chad billingsley pitch against the giants this year since he came off the DL?
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by sfgiants420 on Sep 14, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
had you seen Latos pitch against the Giants all year?
by giant4life83 on Sep 14, 2010 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but I’m not going into today’s game feeling like the Giants are sure to lose. I just think that’s silly. We’ve all seen Cain pitch, so I feel good about that. And the Giants are going to score some runs this series, might as well be today.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 15, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
100% chance of a Caining today. 8IP, 3 hits, 2BB, 8K's = LOSS
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I hope those walks don't come in the same inning!
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Random thoughts
1. I enjoyed Kruk talking often about guys’ knobs and how they wrap their finger around it.
2. I also like Kruk saying Zito’s record is 100 and 9 when getting four or more runs of support.
3. With how excited the fans kept getting about flyballs that didn’t make it close to the warning track, I thought this game was in Los Angeles.
4. I’m glad Jose Guillen wasn’t in the lineup. That would have sucked.
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5. In an OBP world, one-hitters don’t really mean much.
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by Sgt. Dingleberry on Sep 14, 2010 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
109-6 I think.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 14, 2010 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Kruk said 100-9
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I think when he said “One hundred and nine”, he meant the number 109, because he then proceeded to say “And six”
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by troymccluresf on Sep 14, 2010 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Excellent analysis, Grant.
It was hard for me to tell where that line divided Kershaw dominance on its own merit from Giants suckitude.
It’s not the popular opinion, but I’m ready to go back out and tear it up tomorrow. Many people here have been insisting at several points this season that there is no such thing as momentum. Tonight I’m hoping they’re right.
Tomorrow’s a new day, and we have a pitcher on the mound who’s been pretty solid. Hopefully the bats show up.
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People have said the same about Latos, Halladay, and Jimenez.
We’ve beat all of them at least once this season. Maybe Billingsley is due.
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Fuck Billingsley.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 14, 2010 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Radnich should put his knees together or not wear such tight pants.
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cantaloupe?
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Zucchini?
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by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2010 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
one of my cow-orkers had a massive zucchini on his desk today
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Kruk: Look at that knob
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WHY WHY WHY did I switch back to see this?
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
OH MARCELLOL
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I was having a wonderful time watching the South Park Wii episode conclusion
And now I have seen something that can’t be unseen.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
maybe we got it out of our system?
Pablo Sandoval: The Triforce of Courage
Buster Posey: The Triforce of Wisdom
Brandon Belt: The Triforce of Power
Another not-so-fun use of the Play Index
The Giants are the third team since 1920 to lose two one-hitters.
Could someone with PI access find out what the other two are?
Fun fact: "Mota" is Bengali for "fat".
Still plenty of time to lose another 1 hitter!
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by sfgiants420 on Sep 14, 2010 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
A nice fancy shareit link would be cool, too, if you’re up for that.
The ‘71 Royals were a pretty good team (they finished in second place to an otherworldly A’s team), which makes sense, but the ’65 Cubs were disasters, which also sort of makes sense. I believe they were using the College of Coaches at the time.
Fun fact: "Mota" is Bengali for "fat".
One of the Cubs’ one-hit losses in ‘65 was Koufax’s perfect game.
Twenty-seven years of waiting has come to an end.
That was a special game. There were only two baserunners total, and if Lou Johnson hadn’t doubled in the seventh, it would have been a double no-hitter. Time of game: 1:43.
Also, one of the ‘71 Royals’ one-hitters was this game, so they really shouldn’t count.
Fun fact: "Mota" is Bengali for "fat".
does Rent make the play uribe flubbed?
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He's gamer enough.
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Buster Posey: The Triforce of Wisdom
Brandon Belt: The Triforce of Power
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
Sick aligned forces of shitty luck. Sure, Uribe makes errors…ask J. Sanchez. But he’s not a terrible fielder.
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Uribe makes it the next 99 times
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by Giant among Angels on Sep 14, 2010 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions
they say that Uribe reached in the wrong part of his glove….could have happened to anyone! Of course it didn’t happen to anyone else all night…just when the fucking bases are loaded and there’s 2 outs!
Uribe is Mang who cong tru een clush
by Buster-Jangle on Sep 14, 2010 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, that’s what the high-speed camera showed. Ball was in the web and he reached into the palm of the glove.
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by troymccluresf on Sep 14, 2010 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I love Hinshaw
God I wish I was a part of this NAIL BITER!!! Damn why did I pick THIS yr to suck?! Fahq LA!!!
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If he could actually pitch decently, he’d be one of my overall favorites for sure.
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Put a bend in your cap and throw strikes.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Fuck
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by rightcenterfielder on Sep 14, 2010 9:42 PM PDT reply actions
I cant do this tonight
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by Giant among Angels on Sep 14, 2010 9:42 PM PDT reply actions
Further digging into Grants link
Reveals, 15th time since 1920: 1H, 0ER, L.
/doesn’t know how to win.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
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Tonight’s attendance of 36,076 raised $108,228 for San Bruno Glenview Fire Victims Fund. #SFGiants http://hitpix.com/pc
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by cheno on Sep 14, 2010 9:43 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Still, Dodgers in September during the best season since 2003?
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If I lived in the city
I’d probably have gone. No way in hell am I making the trip from SJ on a work night though.
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Ticket prices were high to start with
They lowered them, but too little too late.
Dynamic pricing is making $$ I’m sure…but it’s fucked up
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Sep 14, 2010 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah – the price jacking isn’t so great these days.
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It might not be working that well if they’re having to drop September LA tickets to $15.
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by troymccluresf on Sep 14, 2010 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Shift+AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH
That really sucked. Like, I can’t think of a bigger buzzkill after a 7-3 road trip.
Also, I actually feel badly for Zito. He’s been very good the last couple starts. No way he should be 8-13. Only two wins in the last four months.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
His start against the Diamondbacks was good, and this start was really good.
What’s the problem?
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This start was good until he came completely unraveled after the HBP. Walking 2 batters to load the bases isn’t “good” by any stretch of the imagination, even though he probably should have gotten out of the inning unscathed.
Zito loaded the gun, but Uribe pulled the trigger
If he had done the exact same thing, but the Giants had scored 6 runs, you’d be saying he had a good start right now.
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by jponry on Sep 14, 2010 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
An excellent point for all the Zito haters/blamers to consider.
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Such folk are alien to the word "consider".
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He's been basically the same pitcher as last year
On the whole.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
Hmm, true.
I hadn’t realized he’d busted up his great start quite so badly.
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by achiappanza on Sep 14, 2010 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Not really. He was pulled because of the run, unearned or not. He had clearly lost it in the 6th inning, for whatever reason.
You can’t hypothesize on what could or could not have been if the Giants had actually scored runs.
Uh, that’s not my point. My point is that if you changed absolutely nothing about how Zito pitched, but the Giants scored, hell, even 2 or 3 runs instead of zero, no one would be criticizing Zito for giving up one unearned run.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
You can’t hypothesize on what could or could not have been if the Giants had actually scored runs.
Actually, she can most certainly theorize. That’s the whole point of being able to do that. Given ‘x’ conditions, what might be ‘y’ outcome?
OK then. Say the Giants score after he’s pulled in the 6th inning. Do you still define his start as good?
Maybe we can just agree to disagree on what we term as “good.” I would today’s start adequate, and good in comparison to the train wreck he’s been for the better part of the last month and change.
geef- give it up, you won’t win with this crowd. trust me, i already tried and was personally attacked for my views.
My point was that Zito’s single inning multiple walk meltdowns are costing the team games, because they happen to be handcuffed by opposing pitching at the time.
You won’t win, trust me. No one will even have an open mind towards the debate.
by giant4life83 on Sep 14, 2010 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
If you had more convincing arguments, perhaps our minds would be more open.
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Also, it’s important to realize that we’ve had this discussion dozens of times about Matt Cain.
It was not convincing then, and it’s not convincing now.
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I don't know what you're talking about
I was convinced every time that Matt Cain doesn’t know how to win.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
Lack of offensive support aside, the meltdown in the 6th inning was what led up to the event that let the run score.
Anyway, I don’t get the games on TV. Were the pitches on the Ethier walk clearly balls, or was he being squeezed? Ethier’s right/left splits are pretty brutal, and his career stats against Zito are even worse.
Loading the bases and then giving up a run on an error is hardly a meltdown. When I think of meltdowns, I think of games like (to look at another Zito start, even) http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SFN/SFN201008280.shtml
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
This
No matter how bad your offense is, you don’t lose eight games in a row without pitching poorly in at least a few of them. And Zito’s had some crappy starts over the summer. I don’t think anyone is denying that.
It’s just not accurate to describe tonight’s start as “adequate” or the 6th inning as a “meltdown.”
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
Maybe meltdown isn’t the right word, but he certainly came unraveled in the 6th inning. The only reason I term today’s start as “adequate” is because of the single inning where he issued what were essentially 3 free passes. He certainly pitched well enough to win and keep the team in the game, but the lack of consistency during that third trip through the lineup bit him in the ass.
Geez, people . . .
. . . the HBP was hardly egregious, pitching around Furcal was reasonable, and caution with Ethier not unjustified. He had confidence in his and his catcher’s abilities, and that confidence was rewarded; then the green-eyed Lady stepped in, which is scarcely his doing.
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the balls were def balls. Zito just lost control, in a critical spot, like he usually does. He “pitches around” Furcal (which IMO he shouldn’t have done anyhow) to face Either, then couldn’t throw a strike.
by giant4life83 on Sep 14, 2010 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
He ABSOLUTELY should’ve “pitched around” Furcal. He made a couple of decent pitches to Ethier, he just wasn’t biting. He’s not a hacker like the Giants.
by Every6thDay on Sep 14, 2010 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
If you’re gonna pitch around Furcal, then you HAVE TO make more than “decent” pitches to Either, and no hope that he bites. What did Barry do the whole game leading up to that point? throw strikes. he’s a pitch-to-contact guy. so what is the inevitable outcome when he nibbles around the zone with pitches that aren’t gonna get the guy out?
by giant4life83 on Sep 14, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
And then he pitched to contact and Uribe couldn’t make the play. OH WELL FUCK YOU ZITO AMIRITE?!?!
by Every6thDay on Sep 14, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
he shouldn’t have had to force himself into the situation in with Blake in the first place. You can’t pitch around 2 straight hitters (both lefties, no less) to face a less favorable matchup with much more on the line. then he went 2-0 to blake (IIRC) and was forced to throw a strike so he wouldn’t get to deep- it was luck that wasn’t a 2-run single. but i digress
by giant4life83 on Sep 14, 2010 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions
You’re just supposed to embrace them because they were written by somebody who took the time to write them down.
by Every6thDay on Sep 14, 2010 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know how to make it any more convincing. The facts are laid out pretty well. You saw what happened tonight, last time, the time before that…
I think you guys have just had this discussion about Cain a hundred times before I ever came here, so you’re used to discounting the notion and already have your opinions set in stone. If 100 people before me couldn’t do it, I sure as hell ain’t.
by giant4life83 on Sep 14, 2010 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
You could make it more convincing by explaining to me why I should consider a Zito 5.2 IP, 1 R, 0 ER, 3 BB, 5 K start where the Giants scored zero runs to be any different from a Zito 5.2 IP, 1 R, 0 ER, 3 BB, 5 K start where the Giants scored 2 or more runs.
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"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
The line looks fine in the box score, but to me at least, the fact that two of the walks and a HBP came in the same inning changes the circumstances, if ever so slightly.
You keep missing the point. The point is that if Zito has the EXACT SAME START, down to the two walks, HBP and error leading to him being removed from the game, BUT the Giants score enough runs to scrape out a win, you wouldn’t be complaining about his “meltdown” right now.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
first off, remove the Giants offensive side of the game tonight, for that is not relevant to how he pitched.
i would still be complaining, because it is still an issue that continues to manifest itself. What did Barry do the whole game leading up to the 5th inning? throw strikes, put the ball in play, and the defense takes care of it. Now, I am aware that Uribe didn’t take care of the grounder, but that is beside the point for the sake of this argument. he’s a pitch-to-contact guy. so when he hits a batter, (sac bunt), pitches around the next, then comes to his ultimate matchup, the one he can’t walk, what happens?
he seems to abandon his entire approach and nibble at the zone. what is the inevitable outcome when he nibbles around the zone with pitches that aren’t gonna get the guy out? he’s gonna walk him, more times than not.
Barry Zito abandoning his entire pitch-to-contact approach during critical situations is what is causing these “mini-meltdowns” that are costing the team games. One can argue that Uribe should have made the play, but that isn’t the point, because it never should have gotten that far. He shouldn’t have nibbled at Either, because Zito is not that type of pitcher. He should have pitched that way that he pitched for the first 5 innings. Let them hit the ball and rely on the defense to take care of it.
by giant4life83 on Sep 14, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
first off, remove the Giants offensive side of the game tonight, for that is not relevant to how he pitched.
Then why are you arguing that he pitched poorly? He gave up one run in 5.2 innings. If Uribe handles that routine ground ball, he pitches six shutout innings with 3 walks and 5 strikeouts.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I never, never said he pitched poorly, he pitched well enough to win. But, on some nights, that is not enough. you’re saying that if the offense did X, then that changes Y, and that game, no one wins. you change one thing, you change everything.
what I’m arguing is the consistency of him walking multiple batters, then nibbling at the zone, resulting in more walks. he is a pitch-to-contact guy, and that’s the approach he needed to take to either- if he does, then what happens next with Uribe most likely doesn’t happen
by giant4life83 on Sep 14, 2010 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait, I don’t get it, do you want to look at how he pitched independent of the Giants offense? Or are you blaming him for not pitching well enough to win in a 1-0 game?
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"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
independent of the offense. im not blaming him for not pitching well enough to win, he certinaly gave them a chance to win and kept them in the game (in the sense that he didn’t give up 10 runs and blow it completely). he kept them in the game, and gave them a chance to win.
but, there were some crucial errors on his part (which have happened at critical junctures over last 3+ starts) that reduced those chances of the team to win the game.
but he certinaly pitched well enough to keep the team in the game and gave them a shot to win.
by giant4life83 on Sep 14, 2010 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Every pitcher in every game this season has made errors that have reduced his teams chances to win outside of Dallas Braden and Roy Halladay.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
And Andres Galarraga.
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Andres Galarraga never allowed a single baserunner in his career, in fact. You can’t argue with a stat like that.
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You weren’t here when that name came up. Someone mistook Armando for Andres.
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STOP SILENCING ME!
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Find any It's It lately?
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Yeah, I found one SHOVED UP YOUR ASS!
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Ever had brain freeze? It’s like that, but in your ass.
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by howtheyscored on Sep 14, 2010 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions
so you would enjoy it in the butt for a millisecond is what your saying?
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by LincecumFTK on Sep 14, 2010 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions
haha i was just responding to what Howie said with what you said. bad attempt at a joke lolme
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by LincecumFTK on Sep 14, 2010 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Acutally, I was here. I was actually sitting here saying, "Wow, I’m really glad I remembered not to say the wrong Galarraga here! That would make me look stupid!
lol me
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those mental errors that reduce a teams chances to win seem to happen quite often with barry zito around.
by giant4life83 on Sep 14, 2010 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions
or did kershaws pitching reduce our offenses chances to score? it becomes circular argument from here. i said what i had to say. i dont agree with the nibbling at Eithier the load the bases, not after the pitching around of furcal
by giant4life83 on Sep 15, 2010 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions
He did reduce our chances to score by pitching well, but that does not absolve the offense in failing to score a single run. Their job is to score runs. They did not do their job.
It is unfortunate that a free baserunner (namely, the hit batsman, but you can cite whichever one you want) came around to bite us in the butt, but Zito did not put up a bad outing by any means. He set the team up to succeed by getting Blake to get the ball on the ground, and his defense could not keep up their end of the bargain. That does not make Barry Zito’s performance worse.
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Didn't Zito make mistakes in the 6th inning?
Are not mistakes the difference between winning and losing in close low scoring games?
by BornRaisedAGiant on Sep 15, 2010 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Didn't Uribe make a mistake in the 6th inning?
Didn’t Huff make a mistake by just missing a hittable pitch in the 9th inning?
Didn’t Freddy make a mistake by failing to drive in our only RISP?
Didn’t Bochy make a mistake by starting Aaron Rowand?
You can spin it any way you want, but I’d like to think that there was a lot more collective fail by the offense than Zito’s 6th inning miscues that he should have wriggled his way out of but for an error.
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those games where the Giants offense don’t score any runs seem to happen quite often with barry zito around.
he must beat his wife.
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NOTE
I AM NOT MOCKING YOU
I AM MAKING A CLEVER ‘META’ REFERENCE TO A FANPOST FROM A FEW YEARS AGO WHERE A POSTER SAID THE SAME THING ABOUT MATT CAIN
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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i had no problem with you, it was a couple others way above that i was referring to. i understand you guys have had this same dispute over cain a million times, so ill drop it and not bring it up again. i just didnt agree with the way zito approached Eithier, but thats the past, and a shit game at that, so i just want to forget about it all
by giant4life83 on Sep 15, 2010 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions
he pitched well enough to win. But, on some nights, that is not enough.
This obviously=Zito=bad
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
sometimes, it just isn’t enough. in tight games, more will be asked of a player, that is just the way it is.
a pitchers margin of error is ever-decreasing or increasing given who the opposing pitcher on the mound is on any given night.
by giant4life83 on Sep 14, 2010 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay. But a player can only do so much, that’s why it’s a team game.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
i totally realize that, I just believe the situation regarding nibbling on Eithier- instead of going right after him- with a less favorable matchup on deck was a poor decision.
by giant4life83 on Sep 14, 2010 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions
And Mr. Zito and Mr. Posey disagreed.
To whom should we give credence?
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Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
So we’re really just arguing semantics again. Repeating what I said above, “meltdown” probably wasn’t the right choice of word.
At the risk of sounding like GRM 2.0, the fact of the matter is that the Giants didn’t provide enough offense to scrape out a win, and the runners that reached during that single bad inning are ultimately what led up to the error and the run, and anything other than that is purely conjecture. (What if he hadn’t walked Ethier? What if Uribe had handled the grounder that decided the game?)
Anyway, I’m going to go try to forget this game and this argument ever happened since I appear to be making an ass of myself.
I can't believe this was written without irony:
Now, I am aware that Uribe didn’t take care of the grounder, but that is beside the point for the sake of this argument. he’s a pitch-to-contact guy.
by Every6thDay on Sep 14, 2010 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Uribe didn’t take care of the grounder off Blakes bat. Off Blakes bat. He didn’t pitch to contact with Either, instead changing his whole approach and nibbling, which most of the time (if the batter doesnt bite), puts more runners on base and increases the odds of runs scoring.
by giant4life83 on Sep 14, 2010 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Or . . .
. . . looking at it the way Zito probably did, it gave him a batter he’d prefer to pitch to in a situation where an out ends the inning. Call me silly, and nothing personal, but I’d trust his and Buster’s combined judgement on the situational approach more than yours. And theirs ended up thoroughly justified.
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I would trust Posey and Zitos combined judgement as well. i just believe that pitching around hitters (unless it’s Bonds, Pujols, etc) in the 5th/6th inning is just asking for trouble. it’s putting more runners on base who can potentially score, shifting momentum, not to mention the mental boost given to the next batter. yes, it worked tonight, just bad luck on uribe not making the play, but on the flip side, you don’t have to worry about an infield hit/error if you don’t pitch around one batter then nibble at the next when you already have one on. I just think that the situation with Furcal is a 50/50, but with Eithier, it should have been handled differently- he should have gone right after him.
by giant4life83 on Sep 14, 2010 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Having a little trouble as to where to jump in here, but seeing the point (about the exact same scenario two games in a row), I’d be removing him in that situation.
He rarely goes more than 6, and when he starts to give away 3 free bases in an inning of a game where you arent likely to get many—I make a move. Bochy even had the pen ready—a rarity.
I think at that point everyone in the pen has a better chance of getting the 3rd out than Zito does.
That said, definately not a meltdown.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
yeah meltdown was the wrong word. “unravelling” fits better
by giant4life83 on Sep 15, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
0 earned runs in 5.2 innings is adequate? You’re tough.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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Word
Or “this,” as the kidz say.
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
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by achiappanza on Sep 14, 2010 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
He was pulled because of Kemp’s lifetime numbers against him, the same reason he pitched around Furcal.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 14, 2010 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Shit like that happens; he gave up an unearned run, is all. In a normal game, it wouldn’t have been a big deal.
Fun fact: "Mota" is Bengali for "fat".
Ugh
AmyGGiants #sfgiants Bochy, “there guy threw great and shut us out”
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
They’re guy through grate and shut us out.
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 14, 2010 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Their guy (insert anybody with an arm) generally does throw great against us
Uribe is Mang who cong tru een clush
by Buster-Jangle on Sep 14, 2010 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
NL R/G average = 4.36; Giants = 4.35. Obviously a terrible offense.
I’m too tired and played out to be polite here. Silly is one thing; butt-dumb ignorant is another.
Sabean delenda est!
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of course
They’re also in bottom half (9th or 10th place) of the NL in OBP, SLG, OPS, wOBA, and wRC, and pretty much every offensive category I can find other than K%.
So, y’know, debate to be had. Clearly better than in recent years, of course.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. 0.00 ERA in Salem-Keizer...as a 24-year old.
Obviously an improvement, but while the runs all the same, you are absolutely right that how the runs are scored merits investigation, like our team .258 batting average, 10 points below league average, or our 91 OPS+. Or maybe you want to blame our below-average pitches/PA.
Or maybe you just blame the fact that our offense is only league average. All the playoff contenders, excluding the Padres of course, have above average or well above average offenses. Maybe league average isn’t good enough.
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Is there an easy way
to see a team’s “mean” runs scored per game? Because my sense is (although I have no proof) that the Giants offense has sprinkled the odd 11-2 or 10-8 game around four or five games where they score 0, 1, 3, 2 and 1 runs.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
Probably. Sad, I used to be good at math, too.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
Nobody likes mode. Poor mode.
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People like pie a la mode.
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Except GiantsBabe, right? Cake-loving sociopath that she is?
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kdl doesn't see what the big deal is, either.
by Every6thDay on Sep 14, 2010 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, it is kdl, isn’t it. I forgot which one was sparring with KLAW about that.
All I remember is that they smelled like flowers.
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Blue Bell?
Are you from Texas?
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"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
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Pie a la median sucks.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 14, 2010 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Pie a la standard deviation is very tasty though.
by non sequitur on Sep 14, 2010 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Sum of pie is everything that’s great about pie.
by Every6thDay on Sep 14, 2010 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I hear it’s even greater.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 14, 2010 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I believe that mode is the last name of Mr./Ms. A la
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 14, 2010 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Where they are is . . .
. . . a whole 10 runs ahead of where their actual stat line calculates to, a number so small as to be well within the limits of error noise. In essence, not only is their scoring average, but so is the total team-offense stat line, regardless of how its individual components may rank. (Which is quite aside from the fact that relative rankings are meaningless: in any category, the #1, #2, and #3 teams may be very nearly identical, the #4, #5, and #6 teams each a huge way below the team above them, and so on; only real, absolute numbers signifiy.)
Sabean delenda est!
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The thing that bugs me the most about this tweet is the WRONG THEIR.
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Fools and Sages
Bochy is actually dumb enough to verbally use the wrong their.
TRUE GIANTS FACTS!
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
Does it get any dumber than that?
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 14, 2010 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
This type of thing used to bug me ...
but I know the difference and have done it before. Sometimes you just type and the wrong word comes out. So I’ll give her a pass on this one.
It would be almost impossible to believe . . .
. . . that she knows no better. As Didactylus observed, “Sometimes things just happen. What the hell.”
Sabean delenda est!
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In broadcast journalism, they teach you to just type whatever is easiest to read on the teleprompter, so I don’t think grammar has ever been mentioned to her.
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Yep, because we're talking at least post-graduate grammar here.
Shouldn’t expect anyone who finished fifth grade to know it.
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I would say a majority of people get that wrong on a semi consistent basis.
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And, you know, if we're all wrong, it doesn't really matter?
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Okay whatever. Take grammar completely seriously when everyone know what someone meant.
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You're right, in this case it's a bit nitpicky.
But for those of us who grade piles of nearly unintelligible papers by people who truly should know better, it’s frustrating to see other people defend it.
I’m sorry, it’s a bad night, and I’m just blowing off steam. I shouldn’t have been pointing it at you.
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Is there easier to read than their?
What would you say? “THE IR!!!”
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Does anybody know how many pitchers over the last four years have had their first career complete game or shutout against the Giants? It seems like it happes way too much.
I looked up the answer: Eleventy
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And now I don't feel like doing absolutely anything
Just sitting here, waiting to die or something
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Sep 14, 2010 9:46 PM PDT reply actions
So will Sabean rip the offense ...
like he did the pitching. This is the second 1-0 loss in 3 games. With Sandoval from the right side and Rowand it is pretty much two extra empty spots. Plus, Huff against a tough lefty should not bat 3rd.
And I’m okay giving Kershaw credit for a great game pitched. But a great game could mean one or two runs, not a shut out. The zero is hung on the Giants line up and I hope Sabean rips into them, but he probably won’t.
No, sometimes you just have to tip your cap.
Uribe is Mang who cong tru een clush
by Buster-Jangle on Sep 14, 2010 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Huff just missed that first-pitch fastball from Kershaw in the night. We were a thongstrap’s width away from this postgame thread blowing up with good-timey, team-o’-destiny vibes.
woulda died at the wall
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by positiveuphemism on Sep 14, 2010 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Reply fail? Oh, fuck you. Fuck you all. I’m going to bed. Fuck this sport, fuck this website, and fuck all of you.
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 14, 2010 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
This is exactly how I feel…
I am going to take your sarcastic lead and go to bed…
I hate being a fan of this team sometimes…It is one cruel existence…
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Sep 14, 2010 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
HEY FUCK YOU
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 14, 2010 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Go Pads!!!
Fear the Rockies. lol
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by positiveuphemism on Sep 14, 2010 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s easy for me to say (because I missed most of the game), but I’m going to chalk this one up to Kershaw’s brilliance and just move on.
If we lost 5-0 I would agree and not be so enraged…
But, there is more to the story
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Sep 14, 2010 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ll admit it. That one stung a bit.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 14, 2010 9:49 PM PDT reply actions
I’ve come to the conclusion that Huff can’t hit lefties very well
by 49erEmpire on Sep 14, 2010 9:50 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Boom...Roasted!
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by positiveuphemism on Sep 14, 2010 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I watched the game ...
and saw for myself he can’t hit lefties. I don’t need the stats. Plus, I said he shouldn’t hit 3rd against a tough lefty, I didn’t say he shouldn’t be in the line up. (And I also would guess most of the numbers have been accumulated against the “non-tough” lefties. I think you can re-sort the stats for that category.)
But, how can you use this game to support your conclusion that he can’t hit lefties, when he only faced one lefty?
by GrooveGiant on Sep 14, 2010 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
chasm?
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 14, 2010 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
HE WATCHED THE GAME!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
/shifts strawhat
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Jeremy Affeldt induces strained obliques
by Giant among Angels on Sep 15, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
i hate Radnich everyday of the week.
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
The regular Radnich is a steaming pile of dogshit
The Radnich after a loss is the same dogshit but stuck to the bottom of your shoe.
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- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 14, 2010 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I notice that he and Dave Benz (another idiot) are on a disproportionate amount of times after Giant losses.
Uribe is Mang who cong tru een clush
by Buster-Jangle on Sep 14, 2010 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I hate Radnich when the Giants win.
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/insta-rec'd
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It's fine
Just a ton will bog the thread down.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
Fewer
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
by jponry on Sep 14, 2010 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm sorry
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
You shouldn't be. Countable and uncountable nouns were covered in second grade, IIRC
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 14, 2010 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Not always :(
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
my English teacher is coming out more and more
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
It's cool, I want to be a better writer
So I don’t mind the corrections.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
That's the spirit!
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 14, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
If I heard even one of my students say this, it would make my YEAR.
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
I only want to learn now that I'm no longer a student
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
That is the vicious paradox of being a teacher:
…you’re spending a good amount of time trying to convince unwilling people they need to know something with the hope that you can get them wanting to learn it now and not later.
Spend too much time on content and you’re a hardass and people tune you out. Get too buddy-buddy and the students love you, but you’re lucky to accomplish half of what your principal/board/state mandates you MUST teach them year in and year out.
Every teacher I know is in a constant state of adaptation; unfortunately most students only have each teacher once, and it’s very much hit or miss from the students’ perspective.
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
I did like most of my teachers/professors
But I wasn’t a good student in college. Just enough to get by.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
Your honesty is appreciated...
…and for what it’s worth, they might have liked you quite a bit, too. I’ve had some slackers that I’ve loved to death and wanted to strangle all at the same time…
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
I think they did
I showed up for every class, never was a distraction in any of them, and did all the required work (obviously not at a high quality level).
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
Great!
We start our first real book (The Crucible) next week!!!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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Cliche! Be unique and give them The Last Song!
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I don’t have a say in the book choices at the moment.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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Damn, no Nicholas Sparks then.
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We are reading The Lovely Bones as a ‘seminar’ book though.
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Okay, I've read this one, I know I have
But my memory isn’t what it used to be. Alice Sebold, right?
Yeah
I thought it was gonna be all Sparks-y pop fiction, but I actually enjoyed it, though I thought it lost a bit of direction near the end.
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Same here.
Everything after the sister breaks into the neighbor’s house gets very wishy-washy and the story just meanders. But the film adaptation was just awful.
by Every6thDay on Sep 14, 2010 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I felt like she sped up time WAAAY too much – it was like, one second it was a year since Susie died and then all of a sudden, it’s like ten years later and I’m like, “Hey, wha’ happened??” The pacing was so good up to that point, too. IDK.
I will not bother with the film.
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Fine. Eragon!
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The way he doesn’t even bother with any real linguistic features really annyos me.
Fun fact: "Mota" is Bengali for "fat".
Everyone was like, “OMG a 16-year-old wrote this!”
Well, yeah, you can tell a 16-year-old wrote it.
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It’s especially bad when he tries to copy Tolkien’s detatched style (which wasn’t all that wonderful to begin with) and fails miserably.
Fun fact: "Mota" is Bengali for "fat".
I liked the detached style. It added to the importance of the events.
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In Tolkien, I mean. Not Eragon.
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He overdid it at times. Have you read The Silmarillion? The whole book is like that. The story is good enough for me to enjoy the book regardless, but only on the second try.
Fun fact: "Mota" is Bengali for "fat".
Well yeah, Silmarillion isn’t nearly as good.
Which is upsetting because the story is just as interesting. I think the problem the Silmarillion had was having far less relateable heroes.
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That’s part of the point, isn’t it? The tragedy and futility of the noble.
It’s no accident the rustic farmers set things right in the Lord of the Rings.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
The Silmarillion just slings all these characters and gods and references at you, too, without much context. It feels like dropping into the bible in media res.
Or getting clubbed in the head with the hardback version of the latest (/last) Robert Jordan serial.
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It took less than a page of the Silmarillion for me to decide not to read the Silmarillion.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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I did that the first time, too. The second time, I kept Wikipedia handy. It spoiled a lot, but that doesn’t really matter too much, since everyone who might be interested knows that [spoiler alert] Morgoth loses. What it’s really worth reading for is the occasional flashes of brilliance. There are a lot of memorable scenes, like Melkor and Ungoliant looking upon their handiwork, or Flingolfin riding forth to challenge Morgoth, or Beren and Finrod alone at Tol-in-Gaurhoth, or a defeated Húrin presenting the Nauglamír to Thingol at Menegroth.
The problem is that the stuff in between isn’t great.
Fun fact: "Mota" is Bengali for "fat".
That reminds me
I think Silmarillion also suffers from very difficult names. It’s hard to even remember the difference between Flingolfin and Finrod.
By the way, what’s the best way to read up on the Second Age and early Third Age? There’s some fascinating stuff that happened in between Silmarillion and The Hobbit.
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Tolkien didn’t write a whole lot about that. Unfinished Tales provides some good and very readable stories and other information, though. I own a copy of The Lost Road, which is all about Númenor, but I’ve never gotten more than a few pages in. Pehaps I’ll try to read it one of these days.
Fun fact: "Mota" is Bengali for "fat".
Yeah, I feel like the Battle of Fornost and of course the battle where Sauron lost the first time could easily be made into a very good movie.
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Definitely. IIRC, the latter was briefly treated in the recent trilogy (which I found mind-numbingly boring). Unless, of course, you mean the incident where he surrendered to Ar-Pharazôn without a fight.
It’s interesting the way the strength of each side decreases gradually. In the First Age, Morgoth is defeated. In the second age, the Númenoreans defeat Sauron (with the Ring) without a fight, and the Last Alliance defeats Sauron (with the Ring) in a conventional battle. However, by the Third Age, Sauron’s enemies cannot hope to defeat him conventionally, even sans ring.
Fun fact: "Mota" is Bengali for "fat".
That trilogy is probably my favorite film, but that’s alright.
And I think they got weaker because 1) they became less and less united and 2) that’s just the effect war had on people.
Plus the fact that the free people didn’t make fake soldiers.
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Yeah, the fact that I don’t like it probably makes me a freak.
It makes sense that they would get weaker (especially as the Elves dwindled), but it’s the sort of thing that a hack like Paolini wouldn’t think of.
Fun fact: "Mota" is Bengali for "fat".
It does make it interesting that Tolkien was a scholar, when so many other writers actually failed academically. I think it adds a very interesting layer to the story.
Not saying that those who fail academically aren’t just as good, because they are. He’s just different.
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He was an interesting figure in general
He was strongly conservative, for instance, which is rather unusual for the genre.
Fun fact: "Mota" is Bengali for "fat".
Well him and C.S. Lewis were BFFs. That’s one of the great historical friendships of all time. Like Ford, Firestone and Edison.
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Lewis was much more of a theologian than Tolkien. The Chronicles of Narnia is fairly anvilicious, especially near the end.
But they both defintely gained from their mutual acquaintance, and the world is a better place for it.
Fun fact: "Mota" is Bengali for "fat".
Tolkien, in turn, was a key figure in Lewis becoming a Christian.
Where does Charles Williams fit in? I dunno, but I bet it’s bizarre.
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Is he the one that convinced Tolkien to write Lord of the Rings in the first place?
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I don’t remember. I never did read that book on the Inklings. I just know Charles Williams’ novels are WEIRD.
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I always find it odd that such a passionate work that took so much though was originally a tedious assignment. Or so it seemed from Tolkien’s reluctance to write it.
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I agree. One thing I appreciate about Tolkien is the more I know, the more depth his stories have. One of the marks of an enduring work, in my opinion.
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You can tell that he took half a century working on it. Oftentimes in The Lord of the Rings it’s not immediately apparent, but there are spots where it shines through, like near the end, where Galadriel mentions Tasarinan to Fangorn. It took me many times to catch that reference, but I felt much the better for having done so.
Fun fact: "Mota" is Bengali for "fat".
The fact he took that much time on it is why I call BS on the World War II metaphors.
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The next time there’s a cataclysmic war, people will make analogies from Tolkien to that war, too. Good literature teaches in more than one way, and lasting truths are lasting.
That said, trying to limit Tolkien’s viewpoint and influences to WWII is pretty absurd.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
I agree. Was he influenced by World War 2? Of course he fucking was. Everybody alive who had heard of “Europe” or “Asia” was affected by it. But a lot of people don’t seem to understand that you can be influenced by something without writing about it.
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I’ve often theorized that the reasons the Civil War and the European theatre of World War II are the most popular American wars to study are for opposite reasons.
We all think the Civil War is interesting, in part, because both sides are so relateable. When you get past the slaveholders (who made up a small minority of the South), there really weren’t any good or bad guys, and the deaths on both sides seems tragic.
Whereas with WWII-Europe, there was as evil of a force as you can get in the modern times. There were clear good guys and clear bad guys. Very easy to root for a war like that. Just like in fantasy novels.
So, maybe in the end Hitler was the one inspired by the villains of the novels, and not the other way around.
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At the same time, there seems to be a modern trend of portraying Confederates in popular culture as basically southern Nazis. When I was younger, I would look at the civil war and see one side that was good and one side that was evil, much like WWII.
But maybe that’s just me.
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But now wouldn’t you say Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson are the most liked characters from that war. Lincoln aside?
And I definitely think that between modern textbooks and the Ted Turner movies, the South is seen much more favorably these days.
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History is written by the victors, and the state of the American education system does not, in many places, succeed in conveying the varied factors that led to the secession of South Carolina and the formation of the Confederacy. When the straw that broke the camel’s back is something like slavery, a PR slam dunk in modern terms, a lot of the more subtle forces at work.
Slavery bad. Winners good. America saved. Yay America, boo racism.
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Slavery was the straw?
Go read the causes of secession document from South Carolina. Count how many times “slave” or “slavery” or something of its ilk are used. The central issue of the Civil War, whether cloaked in regionalism or sovereignty issues or states’ rights doctrine, was always slavery. Economics, social structure, religious inquiry (for many), and many other facets of Southern life all centered around slavery.
Plus enough with the “history is written by the victors” bullshit. History can be, and is often, written by whomever.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
The tensions between the North and South were, at root, ideological ones. That the South’s economy and social structure became dependent on slavery is a parallel consequence of those differing ideologies. Slavery, or abolitionism if you prefer, absolutely instigated the war, and was a motivating factor in the war, but strictly speaking it is not what put them at odds in the first place.
History can be written by whomever, but the loser’s perspective doesn’t generally wind up in the winner’s textbooks.
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All narratives tend to have a starker contrast when one is young.
With age, comes understanding. Hopefully.
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Hopefully, yes. I have found it’s not realized in many situations, though.
I would bet that if you polled Americans with at least a high school education today, a large percentage if not a majority would say that the Confederate flag is inherently a racist symbol, that it symbolizes racism.
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Because the Confederate States of America was inherently and exploitatively racist.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2010 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Unfinished Tales has the quick form of what you want, if I remember correctly. Also, some fine stories in their own right.
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FLINGOLFIN? WHAT THE FUCK?
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 14, 2010 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions
we had a CSS (or whatever you call it) FAQ once but I don’t know where it is now.
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<p style="font-size: Xem">
Where X is whatever ratio you want the font to be in relation to its normal size. Therefore, 2em will be twice as big and .5em will be twice as small. I also like to bold it, but that’s neither here nor there.
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by howtheyscored on Sep 14, 2010 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I think we really should pay more attention to the fact that FLINGOLFIN is a hilariously bad name.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 14, 2010 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Took me a couple of tries…
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2010 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Curiously . . .
. . . many people think it’s just the other way round, and that the Silmarillon is by far the better work. Certainly Tolkien thought so.
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As far as I know, Tolkien thought The Silmarillion was the more important work. I don’t know that he claimed it was better.
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I always thought the intention behind it was to make an important ‘historical’ work rather than an enjoyable reading experience.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2010 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions
And people have a similar split in opinion over Ulysses. It’s all about standards and expectations.
The Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit, andThe Silmarillion each have their own merits.
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I think it’s grander. Less popular.
I think it plays similar to how the Iliad compares to the Odyssey. The Iliad is full of grand and sweeping events, and the prevailing theme of rage and destruction (rather like Feanor, now that I think of it). The Odyssey is comparatively homey, and has the happier ending by far.
I like them both, but I understand why a lot of people I know find the Odyssey easier and more enjoyable.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
The likeable hero (and I’m not sure why he’s that likeable, but he is) plays a big part in everything.
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Well, now he does. Achilles isn’t terribly popular these days, but he inspired the heck out of Alexander.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Okay confession time
The movie Troy is my biggest guilty pleasure.
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i have owned for a couple of years, and have never watched it to the end.
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by LincecumFTK on Sep 14, 2010 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s a horrible film. And yet I’ve watched it many times.
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The trailer was cool. I liked the CGI pan out from the one ship to, well, a thousand ships.
I did find the movie kind of silly, though. Peter O’Toole ought to find better uses of his time.
by non sequitur on Sep 14, 2010 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions
So horrible. The only thing Iliad like was its violent butchery of anything resembling the original plot.
But hey, swords!
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Acchiles' Heel!
I did enjoy having one obviously good side. The Iliad was too depressing!
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You’re at Fremont, right? I think we play Fremont at football in a couple months.
Fun fact: "Mota" is Bengali for "fat".
Yeah! I’m hoping to go to a couple of football games for sure.
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Well, I’ll be standing on the sidelines at one of them.
IIRC, Fremont isn’t very good this year.
Fun fact: "Mota" is Bengali for "fat".
Can’t be any worse than Tam High football was when I was actually in High School.
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Just looked Tam High up on Wikipedia. The picture makes it look really fancy.
Fun fact: "Mota" is Bengali for "fat".
It’s fancier now than it was when I was there. Right after I graduated, one of the main buildings was found to have mold in it and they had to tear it down and accelerate the remodeling plans. Now it’s fancy as hell, it’s ridiculous.
When I was there, the building was like 70 years old and half my classes were in portables!
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Where’d they find the money to fancify it like that?
Also, what class are you teaching?
Fun fact: "Mota" is Bengali for "fat".
The money can be explained by Mill Valley :\
I’m teaching American Lit – we have three sections, two honors and one regular. I’m probably going to do my independent student teaching in the regular section, I think.
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Yep!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Aw, they’re all great, to be honest.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
So far, anyway, yeah.
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"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
WHOOOO!!!!
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"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I don’t get to teach my students real books. :(
Of course, discussions on the readings are pretty much the worst, most awkward parts of my classes right now anyway, so maybe that’s for the best.
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Speaking of Winona Ryder:
Anyone else notice the red carpet pics of her yesterday for “Black Swan”?
More up top, or just my imagination running away with me…
by Talkin_Base_Ball on Sep 15, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
yer giving him too much credit
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Sep 14, 2010 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
at least this guy doesn’t swing at sliders in the dirt
by TimLaser and MattyC on Sep 14, 2010 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions
At least in this guy's case he was actually able to hit something
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by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 14, 2010 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Kill yourself for that statement!
Pedro was actually good!
As a Giant I mean.
Scott has been horrible as a Giant since he put on the orange & black. Pedro had a 20 dinger season.
Definitely
Still, I’d much rather have Aaron Rowand now (given his current playing time) than Pedro Feliz (given his current playing time).
Fun fact: "Mota" is Bengali for "fat".
But Grave of the Fireflies isn't uplighting at al.....ohhhh
i see what you did there
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As goes Posey, so goes the Giants offense.
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Huff, Posey and Burrell 0 -10 is problematic.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 14, 2010 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
It is going to happen ...
and that is why the other line up spots matter. I am really nearing the point this year where I would rather see Renteria in there at SS and Uribe at 3rd againts a lefty.
I understand it is human nature to focus on those guys, but from a “needs to improve” standpoint, it isn’t them, it is the other parts of the line up – namely Sandoval and Rowand.
I missed the game
But still got seriously pissed off twice this evening: once, when I saw the line score, and second, when one of my students used the class Blackboard site to try to hit on a female classmate. WHAT TEH FUCK DUDE!
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what? that’s pretty low
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Let us know how that works out.
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How it works is he ain’t welcome back in my classroom until he meets with me in my office and we have a serious chat.
LIVIN THE RAGE GIMMICK BABY.
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what setting do you teach in? high school?
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by LincecumFTK on Sep 14, 2010 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
College. First-year comp. My students are in their first semester at college.
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ah immaturity rears its ugly head.
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by LincecumFTK on Sep 14, 2010 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
I wouldn’t hold them to too high a standard. They’re very much kids still.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
yeah i know guys my own age (23), who have done similar. its sad.
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by LincecumFTK on Sep 14, 2010 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
All the more reason it’s important to lay down the law about what’s inappropriate behavior, though.
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yes, that’s just not a smart idea.
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by LincecumFTK on Sep 14, 2010 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I have a feeling he’ll figure it out from the public rejection/shaming, but I can see your point.
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Well, if she wants to call him ass, that’s fine, but I don’t think it’s really fair to put the burden of responding to inappropriate behavior on her just because it’s directed at her.
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did you find it, or did she bring it up to you?
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by LincecumFTK on Sep 14, 2010 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
It's certainly a unique way to do it
But flirting in class is pretty common.
And I’m now just realizing it was an online site where he did it, not the classroom blackboard. For some reason that changes it for me (not sure if that makes sense). Definitely should talk to him.
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Well, for starters, we have dry erase boards, not blackboards!
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and I should say, by the way
My students are generally really good kids (I guess I shouldn’t call them kids!) and I’ve had very few issues. I know some other folks in my department who’ve had a lot of issues with asshole students, so I’m really grateful for my classes thus far.
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But they can vote...
If they’re too stupid to figure out the basics like “don’t use classroom resources to hit on a girl” WTF are they doing being able to vote?
You sound like a good teacher
kudos
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The thing is, it happed
(I have no idea how the happe meme started, but I’m on the bandwagon anyway)
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Grammar rant
And this coming from a copy editor.
I find it a bit elitist that these rules for how to write English were made by a bunch of white guys way back when, and now those that don’t follow all those rules (in other words, don’t write like old white guys) is considered less intelligent.
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*are considered less intelligent
Just kidding.
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It's not fewer intelligent?
Man, English is hard.
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Damn White people!
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The desk is hard. English is difficult.
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by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 14, 2010 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
literally speaking of course. what if my desk is made of clouds in a dream?
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That's a hard one.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 14, 2010 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not a big fan of being really prescriptivist about English grammar, but at the same time, it is important to at least be aware of proper grammar rules and to be able to use them, even if one doesn’t always choose to do so.
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I’m aware it’s a life skill. This has just been something I’ve been thinking about when coming up with an argument against standardized tests. Like, why should a black person in the south have to use the writing rules of a completely different culture?
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In an attempt to make everyone able understand each other?
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 14, 2010 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Or in another attempt to get rid of any culture that doesn’t gel with the majority?
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Well… OK. Experience has taught me that when I hear that rhetoric the conversation won’t be productive. Enjoy the revolution.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 14, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
…but that’s exactly what it is. We want everyone to understand each other so you guys over there are gonna have to learn how to talk like us.
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Thank you for proving my point.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2010 7:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Many other cultures, past and present, have operated bilingually without eradicating the home language.
Latin was the language of commerce across many countries speaking different languages for centuries, and today English, Spanish, and Mandarin are just a few languages that serve the same purpose, depending on which continent you’re on. The peculiar thing about Americans is we’re practically the only culture in the world that insists on only learning one language, yet can’t agree how that language is spoken (or, in more urban areas, even what language should be taught.)
In the United States, English is certainly the language of commerce. If the government is going to be involved in education, I think it’s fair to say it should shoulder the burden of teaching the populace the language of commerce. Everywhere else in the world this is done just fine, and then the students go home and continue to speak Finnish, German, Portugese, or whatever without sacrificing their individual cultures to the “dominant” language of that area.
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I’m pretty sure that is universal. Everyone knows by now.
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by TehGreekStallion on Sep 14, 2010 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions
/flashes the signal for “slider away”
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I find it interesting that of all the possible languages available that you'd use Finnish to describe Aaron Rowand.
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- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 14, 2010 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
This is why there has been a rise in emphasis on "American English."
In theory, it would at least be LESS foreign to the many dialects we have in the U.S., but there are many problems with how to define and execute the concept. I’m wary of speaking for jponry specifically, but most teachers (particularly ones that cover reading and writing) have some degree of wishing to discard useless parts of the curriculum for more relevant ones. More often than not, that’s not what’s on the test, and there has been great political pressure to improve education. How do you best measure success when holding a national conversation? Standardized tests. And so the vicious cycle continues.
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Yup, standardized tests say America is falling behind on education. Standardized tests are part of the problem with education.
I personally am not convinced there is, in fact, an education crisis in this country, and those who say there is tend to give the reasoning that we have to be the best at everything, which I don’t put much emphasis on.
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I think we DO have an educational crisis in this country, but the one lamented from the podium is less honest.
It’s not that our students don’t know ENOUGH, it’s that they have access to more information than ever before, and we don’t teach them how to manage it. Thanks to google and wikipedia, the idea of a high school research paper is almost silly, except for training kids the process for when they do the real thing later.
100 years ago it was perfectly reasonable to teach kids what to think, in the sense that information couldn’t travel far or fast very easily. Raw knowledge was at a much higher premium. Now you have kids that can’t distinguish between Tina Fey and Sarah Palin because they’re both all over Youtube and both pretty damn funny. It’s tragicomedy that one of those individuals is a comedian and the other quit before her term of governor was completed to run for increasingly higher offices.The shift needs to be made on teaching kids HOW to think, to use critical thinking skills to back up their opinions (something this site is actually good at promoting more often than not). Unfortunately, that’s considerably more difficult to measure and then report back on a national scale. “Yep! Susie…er…SEEMS smarter!”
Considering the growing raw population gulfs that exist between us and India or China, I think there IS some value to not falling too far behind academically, but I’m certainly not in the ZOMG WESTERN CULTURE IS FALLING! camp.
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You teach them critical thinking.
From the beginning.
And good luck with that.
Madison Avenue alone would pump zillions of dollars into political campaigns to decry it.
I’m more worried about the apathy surrounding education, and its funding woes, than high school kids writing papers using Wikipedia.
Just my two cents.
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I would encourage using Wikipedia in order to gain a basic understanding of the subject, then finding facts from more reputable places (which would likely by cited in Wikipedia).
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That's what I tell my students:
They may not cite wikipedia, but they may use it to find “original” sources.
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I am totally fine with this approach, and what cheno mentioned above. Especially when they don’t have access to sources with search functions like JSTOR.
Also, Wikipedia can be very useful when using original sources, particularly primary texts, and you need a footnote where one isn’t provided. What the hell is this thing?
/wikis
Oh. Okay.
/cross-checks
Right-o.
/goes back to reading
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JSTOR is wonderful. I found an article on Marmaduke Grove a couple days back.
Marmaduke Grove!
Fun fact: "Mota" is Bengali for "fat".
One of the best parts about being in school
Access to thousands of articles across a crazy number of different disciplines
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I still can’t believe my penniless school has access to it, especially considering that there can’t be more than half a dozen people who really use it.
Fun fact: "Mota" is Bengali for "fat".
Whatttttt???
No way. Where do you go?
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Oh, that's odd
I don’t think I had JSTOR in high school
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Oh hey, you’re in our district.
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I assume you don’t allow cell phones during exams. Students could easily cheat.
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How ironic that this is being played out upthread in this very discussion!
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Oh, I know it'll never work.
I just think it’s the more serious problem.
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No education crisis? Something like a third of the country believes in evolution. The ability to write a coherent paragraph is rare. Sarah Palin is taken seriously.
That doesn’t have much to do with anything.
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by troymccluresf on Sep 15, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Parenthetical thoughts always screw up my rhythm.
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I use them a lot in my columns to make it seem like the parenthetical thought is commenting on my own writing. This has caused me many a problem.
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I bet it has.
When I was doing high school journalism, one of my parenthetical remarks got the huge red pen and a snarky remark: “Facts are all we want. If you get to do editorials, then we’ll care what you think.”
Well like I said, they’re columns, so they are editorials (although editorials are written by the editorial board). I’m lucky enough to be able to easily switch my brain to unbiased journalist mode.
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you could probably argue this for any set of rules in any culture…
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Dining rules are another barometer the powerful use to emphasize class differences.
For instance: Pickle forks are entirely unnecessary, but if you knew what one was and what it does, then you passed a magic circle test in 19th century Western society. It meant you were one of them.
Also Tuna Forks. My mom used one on the piano. Not sure why another fish fork wouldn't work, but it had to be the Tuna Fork.
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by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 14, 2010 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
This made me snicker.
Thanks, I needed that tonight.
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I’m a fan of grammar being descriptive more than proscriptive, but it’s also true that any culture that develops a sizable body of literature is going to have some old, rigid rules.
I say keep English as it is, let other forms develop as they may. Eventually we will get 4 or 5 interesting, rich languages in their own right, and still get to keep English and all the brilliant works or poetry and prose that have been written in it. Win-win. This is all centuries down the road, of course, but you can’t have everything.
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I say keep English as it is, let other forms develop as they may.
I like grammar and I often correct people, but this isn’t how any language actually works, ever. Rules, meanings, and standards change all the time. Just read a Jane Austen book and notice what “ejaculates” means.
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That’s hardly fair, is it? There a lots of small changes, yes, but English has maintained a recognizable form for about 400-500 years. It’s built up a very considerable weight to keep a lot of things largely the same. I’m of the mind that languages that have a solid base of written classics are likely to adhere to the grammar in those classics, as happened with Latin. When languages do morph, it can happen very rapidly, provided there is not a standardized, written form.
Computers or texting may change things, I don’t know, but I think English as we know it is still going to be around in 500 years. It’s on the Latin path for preservation. There’s too large a body of literature now for it to just disappear.
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If I gave this to my freshmen, I think it’s a safe bet to say that most of them would be completely lost.
Anyway, yes, there’s continuity, but languages are never unchanging. Even in a place like France, where you have the Academie Français(e?) trying to lock the language in the 18th century, you still have all sorts of creeping influences like franglais.
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Certainly never unchanging, but they can become stagnant. At which point the change creeps in from other directions, subversively, until something new arises.
I think we’re saying largely the same thing.
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Sorry to catch up with this late, and I won’t try to comment on all this . . . but, Ott, it just “seems” stagnant to the person in his/her lifetime. English is extremely elastic and malleable. Rules and practices change every decade, every score, every generation, but, especially to the young, written standards seem dogmatic, sort of like just saying no to sex.
I believe that we’ll keep what is useful in language evolution and jettison what is not. In the meantime, standards are all we have for high level communications.
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by gallo del cielo on Sep 15, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Shakespeare has gotten to the point
That dozens of words in each play must be defined for modern readers to understand them.
The language has changed, much more than most realize.
random fact
Shakespeare appears to have invented the word “eyeball.”
Along with, like, hundreds of other words.
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It’s interesting how much closer Shakespeare is to us than Chaucer is to Shakespeare. Mass media has done its work.
Fun fact: "Mota" is Bengali for "fat".
The printing press has done more than its fair share in codifying standard usage of English. It still evolves, yes, but it does so much more slowly and much more predictably than it did before Gutenberg.
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And a separate set of vocabulary has to be learned for either Virgil or Aquinas, depending on which you want to read. Or Homer and Plato. But it’s still, recognizably and grammatically, the same language in each case.
Language does change, but I’m of the opinion that English has acquired, for the most part, a form of itself that won’t. At some point we’ll talk about reading Shakespeare “in the original,” and that’s the point I’m pointing forward to. Whatever is being spoken then may be derived from, but will no longer be recognized as “English.” And no, I don’t think we’re at that point yet.
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Uh
Virgil, Aquinas, Homer and Plato didn’t write in English.
We have always had to translate what they wrote into English for those who can’t read Latin or Greek.
The translations of them may have not changed over the years.
But the original manuscripts were never something that the average person was going to read in the original language.
Um, I was talking about Latin and Greek, respectively, in this case.
Their original manuscripts were read in the original, for thousands of years. And still are, by some.
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Well, I did say the average person
And not many of them have existed for a long time. Latin, for instance, died completely, so it’s frozen in time, so to speak.
Until the last 60 years or so, Latin was taught regularly in American schools. Not much stuck, obviously, but Latin’s demise is a recent thing.
At any rate, my mention of Virgil and Aquinas was regarding their respective differences in Latin. In the Middle Ages a number of grammatical quicks and special vocabulary had arisen that makes it recognizably different from the Latin of Virgil or (more importantly, given his reputation and prominence, Cicero). And yet, it was still the same Latin, more or less.
Whether English ever goes down that road, preserved in a jar as eventually happened with Latin, who can say. I think it likely, some do not.
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No. The words have changed.
But it is a very, very big mistake to confound changes in vocabulary with changes in “the language”. Every hour of every day, new things and ideas arise in the world, and we need new words for them. None of that has anything to do with grammar, which is the set of conventions we use to assign and then parse meaning from an arrangement of those word-symbols.
Tomorrow someone invents something new and it is called a veeblefetzer. But it remains contrary to English grammar to say “all the veeblefetzers is” whatever. English verb forms take note of number and many other things—tense, mood, voice, aspect; English nouns and pronouns likewise take note of various qualities. If you use an incorrect form, you may well convey a meaning you did not intend, or fail to convey the one you did intend; or, even when context manages to shield your meaning from the rubble of your collapsing grammar, it will still look (or sound) strange to those who have troubled to equip themselves for the task of communicating their thoughts in English.
All of which is quite aside from the consideration that sound language use is an art, one that gives both practitioners and audiences of any skills real pleasure, and that poor English is as the playing of a musical instrument badly off key and tempo.
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None of that has anything to do with grammar, which is the set of conventions we use to assign and then parse meaning from an arrangement of those word-symbols.
…and there are plenty of examples of grammatical conventions changing through the centuries too.
Conventions are great, but there ain’t no pure source.
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Yes, there certainly are . . .
. . . but those changes are very slow compared to the ones in diction. The evolution has given us modal auxiliaries, particles, much-improved infinite verb forms, and more. But it has also subtracted the useful set of case inflections, and done a few other things arguably harmful. Change itself is neither good nor bad: it is this change or that change that is good or bad.
Right now, for example, English is—in my opinion—evolving a much-expanded sense of what verbs are copulative, and in decades or centuries to come, many if not most verbs may be felt as copulative. To me, that is a good change, as the adjectival form is almost always more forceful in description than the adverbial.
Moreover, and here we return to a key point, “purity” of source is of no interest, and the silly claim that prescriptive grammarians are trying to enforce some unnatural and artificial “purity” is just that: silly. The rules that determine right form are, at this (or any) moment what they are. Whence they sprang is of no importance, merely that they are. As I remarked before, they are conventions, and all that matters is that we are all—and I emphasize all—using the same conventions. (There was a tower mentioned in the Bible that may serve in an allegorical way to reinforce the idea.)
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by owlcroft on Sep 15, 2010 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
"copulative"
/snicker
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"Ejaculates" means now what it meant then.
(“To utter suddenly and passionately; exclaim”), as does “erection” (“the act of erecting; something erected, a construction”). But both words have related secondary meanings such that in our era of lifelong adolescence, where using a word with a simple, sound, well-understood meaning provokes giggles from all the 11-year-olds (of whatever age), it becomes ever harder to use them in their ordinary senses. That sort of crap causes significant losses of power to the language—who today can say or write “Gay Paree” without getting giggles back? Pfui.
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Gay Paree
teehee
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True enough, but it depends on whether you’re taking language to be what’s in the dictionary or what’s actually used. Because nobody uses “ejactulate” like that anymore, I don’t think, and few use “erect.”
Personally, I think there’s room for both understandings.
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I think it’s worth asking the question of which meaning will endure. I think you can make a strong case for the older use – the newer one will likely fade and be replaced by the latest euphemism.
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What I find fascinating about our time is that the rate of change in written language is outpacing the rate of change in spoken word.
Up till this point in history, we worked it out verbally and agreed how it would be written down, but now texting and internet jargon is invading conversational English. Can’t help but wonder how that will play out down the road.
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Link?
I neither agree nor disagree, but would like to see the source of the assertion.
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See: lolspeak
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Yeah, this one's more personal observation.
Lolspeak is a good start, as well as conversational use of “FAIL” and other memes that are blurring the lines between text and spoken word. Our world is far more interconnected and interactive than even 20 years ago (talk show hosts and even news reporters encouraging viewers to text/email responses? I think this happened so quickly we didn’t realize how revolutionary it actually was…) and the changes in language seem to be following suit. Recent lists of words being added to the dictionary also seem to support this.
So maybe I should have said the rate of change SEEMS TO BE outpacing…
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Don't hear it as much now
but for a while I remember hearing radio announcers spelling out “aitch-tee-tee-pee-colon-slash-slash…”
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by EliminateMe on Sep 15, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
You can wonder, as do I,
but we don’t know. We do know that it is happening faster than it has in the past, but not differently.
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by gallo del cielo on Sep 15, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Both meanings will endure, Ott. Both of the “e” words are Latinate and semi-scientific to refer to sexual events, and they will continue to be used formally by medical professionals. Their other meanings will be dodged for their gigglability, but the won’t go away.
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by gallo del cielo on Sep 15, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
When I find a character in a Perry Mason novel . . .
. . . ejaculating in the established, speech-related sense, I find it hard to credit the idea that the use is somehow esoteric or occult. The older sense of “erection” is now of a Victorian flavor (or flavour), but that’s not material.
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The author of Perry Mason has been dead for almost half a century. He wouldn’t exactly be my first choice for an exemplar of modern usage.
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Modern, yes.
Current, no.
The sexualization of everything has driven out plenty of usages for fear of their implications.
(c.f. McChron)
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by gallo del cielo on Sep 15, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
True. Very sad, but very true.
None of lively, vivacious, blithe, convivial, or festive (all that a thesaurus yielded)) quite conveys what the simple old adjective gay once did (and in some quarters still does). “Don we now our festive apparel?” “Our vivacious apparel”? Nertz.
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it becomes ever harder
YEAH IT DOES!
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by howtheyscored on Sep 14, 2010 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I apologize for that.
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by howtheyscored on Sep 14, 2010 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions
The problem is that modern culture does not like nonstandard linguistic forms. It would be great if AAVE were a literary language, but it’s not.
Fun fact: "Mota" is Bengali for "fat".
It would be great if AAVE were a literary language, but it’s not.
I assume you mean a generally accepted literary language, because there’s a hell of a lot of literature out there using AAVE, much of it very successful and critically acclaimed.
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Sorry, my mistake. What I mean and what my fingers type aren’t always the same.
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Oh, time and chance happeneth to us all.
I am waiting to see where Skitt’s Law will bite me on this one.
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Those is, is they?
Language is a set of conventional symbols and conventional rules for assembling those symbols. The key there is “convention”: in accordance with conventions. What the conventions are is rather less important than that there be conventions and that they are universally used and recognized. It doesn’t matter whether, in a given nation, all cars drive on the right or on the left: what matters is that everyone driving observe the prevailing convention or there will be a whacking load of crashes.
“Elitist” has nothing to do with anything here. Is it “elitist” to insist that telegraphers know the Morse Code, and not make up their own assignments of dots and dashes for the letters?
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by owlcroft on Sep 14, 2010 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Conventions are convenient. A common vocabulary makes it much easier for people to understand one another, and given that the purpose of academia is, at root, the exchange of information, that there are standardized rules is efficient.
Whether the nitpicky rules of grammar are essential when the meaning is understood is up for debate, I suppose. Is there an inherent superiority in your argument when you use the “more correct” construction or conjugation? When you don’t split the infinitive? Does it really matter, as long as your point is conveyed?
I say it does, as these rules are in place whether we like it or not, and abiding by them closely is generally considered to make you sound more intelligent, persuasive, or effective. Is that elitist? Depends on how you want to split it. But calling it elitist won’t change how you are judged by your usage.
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Splitting infinitives is a stupid bullshit rule made up by stupid people in the 19th century and I, for one, refuse to acknowledge it.
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by jcb9 on Sep 14, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I also hate the rule that sentences can never ever end in prepositions. Screw that.
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That’s actually not a rule. They shouldn’t end in prepositions when the preposition is either implied or already there (as in: “Where are you?”), but you can totally end lots of other sentences in prepositions without ever being even a little bit wrong.
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by howtheyscored on Sep 14, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Woooo
http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/top-ten-grammar-myths.aspx
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by howtheyscored on Sep 14, 2010 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Says who?
Again (see elsethread), no reputable authority has ever suggested such a thing. That people who want to criticize English grammar are manifestly ignorant of it does not strengthen their arguments. As Winston Churchill wittily wrote about the wrongly supposed “rule”, “This is the sort of arrant nonsense up with which I will not put.”
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by owlcroft on Sep 15, 2010 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That’s one of those weird ones that’s not really an English rule at all. You can’t split infinitives in Latin, went the reasoning, so you shouldn’t be able to in English, either.
I agree it should be abolished, along with that ridiculous (also Latin-inspired) preposition rule.
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You to boldly went there.
And I rec’d the fuck out of that.
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by howtheyscored on Sep 14, 2010 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
But why do white people get to decide the standard?
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Because the foundation of the English academic institution is rooted in the aristocracy.
Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard, whatever. It’s been that way for hundreds and hundreds of years. The aristocracy built the institution as we know it, because they are products of the system. It’s a feedback loop. The American Heritage Dictionary and some Ebonics boosters in Oakland aren’t about to tear the walls down.
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Well that’s a crummy system.
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We always only have three options in dealing with the various institutions in our lives:
Fight them, flow with them, or work within to change them. It sucks, but it’s true, whether we’re talking about languages, politics, racism, law, or sexist attitudes about college roommates.
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You might think it’s a crummy system, but it’s the system. You can’t say “I reject the rules” and change anything. You might start a commune where they children are taught to express themselves through their own invented dialects of Esparanto, but your impact on the greater culture will be negligible, and you won’t be equipping your students with many tools to succeed later in life.
If cultures want to not have to use “proper English” to succeed in the professional world, they have to understand the rules first in order to effect change.
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Okay, so never try to fight a corrupt system. In America. Got it.
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Once again, you have to work within the system in order to change it. Understanding the rules and consciously violating them in a specific way for the purpose of making a point or generating a reaction has been revolutionizing the art world for hundreds of years. Academia is considerably more rigid, but there’s still room to have an impact if you don’t just sit around sulking about it.
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"Corrupt"?
Egad, you go from silly to flat-out nutso.
Asking from whom you got such a bizarre concept—instead of “from who”—demonstrates vile corruption in urgent need of valiant overthrowing. Right; got it. Don’t forget your aluminum-foil cap liner on your way out.
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by owlcroft on Sep 15, 2010 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yay white people!
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ah, ok
whitey’s out there just trying to get you with your grammar.
as a quick scan of wikipedia will show, grammar was invented by “white people”
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cheno,
Frederick Douglas did infinitely more for his cause by learning the details of the language than he ever could have by raising a band of passionate, violent protesters such as John Brown did.
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by gallo del cielo on Sep 15, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
That sort of proves my point.
There is not, nor ever has been among reputable grammarians, any “rule” prohibiting the “splitting” of infinitives, and an examination of any of the authoritative guidance manuals of modern times—say, Fowler’s Modern English Usage, Follett’s Modern American Usage, Bernstein’s The Careful Writer, and Garner’s Dictionary of Modern American Usage—will confirm that. (As will Bernard Shaw’s famous remark in a letter to the Times of London: "There is a busybody on your staff who devotes a lot of time to chasing split infinitives: I call for the immediate dismissal of this pedant. It is of no consequence whether he decides to go quickly or to quickly go or quickly to go.")
It is not a question of making things “easier” for people: it is a question of making communication possible at all.
Whatever my intent, if I buttonhole you and say “G’por onfer ybr om iwert weyqtx,” I have placed no thoughts whatever in your mind save possibly that I am either insane or a refugee from a country you have never heard of. That, obviously, is because I have tried to communicate using symbols with no conventional meaning and used them in accord with no recognizable conventional pattern.
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Suppose instead I said: “Millennium hand and shrimp.” Now I have used symbols with conventional meanings, but the pattern of their use does not seem to comport with any recognized convention. The speech is still meaningless.
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Then suppose I said: “You like Fred better than me.” Aha, one thinks, communication at last. But is it? Did I mean You like Fred better than I like Fred, or did I mean You like Fred better than you like me? Is there a way to decide which I meant? Yes, there is. The conventional rules for using English words to convey meaning provide that the word “me” in that sentence unequivocally requires the interpretation that your liking for Fred exceeds your liking for me. To convey the other meaning, those rules provide that I would have to say “You like Fred better than I.”
(That is from the site linked above at “details at eleven”.)
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by owlcroft on Sep 14, 2010 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
But wouldn’t you agree that there are more than one set of guardians when it comes to grammar? You cite the higher level, but how many ever bother going to the source? Most people I know go by what their grade school teacher told them, and I think much of the reactions I see in everyday life stem from that source.
Oftentimes, the disciple is more strict than the teacher.
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It's a well-documented cycle:
College-level instructors complain that gthe incoming students were taught nothing of English in high-school, and it’s too late now to start afresh.
High-school teachers complain that incoming pupils were taught nothing of English in elementary school, and it’s too late now to start afresh.
Elementary school children are taught by graduates of the colleges.
What’s needed is for children to be given, at as early an age as possible, a definite sense that reading books is fun, and then be given many books. They don’t even (according to recent research) have to be particularly good books—just give them the habit of reading. In time, their reading will rise naturally to the level of their innate wit, which is all that can be hoped. If I know the difference between terminate and progressive aspects of verbs, it’s not because I was ever taught it in schools—it’s because the wuthors of the books I read had either a taught or an innate sense of such things, so that right use became the familiar, automatic choice; only much. much later did I acquire some knowledge of the underlying theory.
What I am fumbling my way to saying is that sound use is best acquired by immersion in examples of it, rather than by working up from theory; theoretical understanding comes later.
Looking at what I have written, I see that the sleeping pill is having its effect (I have to take mrs. owlcroft to the airport tomorrow morning), so good night all.
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Yes, yes, a thousand times yes. You articulate something I earnestly wish was the case, and is some cases hopefully still is. I was instilled with a love of books at an early age, and it has done me no end of good. I never understand word one of any English book until I studied another language, at which time I finally realized how remarkable the fact of language really is.
Further, I think your observation holds true for much more than just grammar.
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Wil Wheaton is an asshole Dodger fan
The worst kind, too; he only gloats when they’re winning. This breaks my nerd heart. SHUT UP WESLEY.
Somebody post the Captain Sisko pic where he’s wearing a Giants cap.
by Murray, Present on Sep 14, 2010 10:00 PM PDT reply actions
I’ve always wanted to kick Wesley Crusher in the nads. His second life as an internet-nerd darling didn’t wipe the slate clean.
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 14, 2010 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
It is the single most unfair thing in the history of the universe that Wesley Crusher got to make out with Ashley Judd.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
/David Copperfield breathes a sigh of relief
by Every6thDay on Sep 14, 2010 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I had a chance a couple weeks ago on an escalator, but I really like The Guild, so I settled for telling him the Dodgers would get crushed.
(We lost that one.)
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 14, 2010 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
FWIW
Wheaton would also like to kick Crusher in the nads.
Also, his sweet-ass motherfucking bouffant is kinda awesome.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Sep 14, 2010 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Beware, Wil Wheaton
That just means we have to get Jim Parsons into a Giants cap.
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
by achiappanza on Sep 14, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
This breaks my nerd heart.
Meh. Don’t true Trek nerds already think Wheaton was the worst TNG regular?
by non sequitur on Sep 14, 2010 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Not definitively.
Marina Sirtis still hovers over the conversation.
by Every6thDay on Sep 14, 2010 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Troi is definitely my most hated TNG character. For one thing, she was there the whole way through, whereas Wesley was only a regular for like four seasons. Plus,. Wesley got moderately less insufferable after the first season (although he remained pretty bad), whereas Troi never improved, except for one random episode where she was the main character that was really good somehow.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. 0.00 ERA in Salem-Keizer...as a 24-year old.
Face of the Enemy!
Also, Wesley’s mom was way cooler than Troi’s mom.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
She also crashed the saucer section.
Wesley saved the ship more than once.
by Every6thDay on Sep 14, 2010 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions
That episode “Disaster” where she was in command of the ship was fucking ridiculous. She wasn’t portrayed as competent to command bathtime, let alone a starship.
Also, Neelix was worse than either Wesley or Troi.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. 0.00 ERA in Salem-Keizer...as a 24-year old.
Oooh -- winner!
In fact, the cast of Voyager really could sweep the nominated field for this category.
by Every6thDay on Sep 14, 2010 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I liked The Doctor and sometimes Seven of Nine, when she was used for a purpose other than t&a or as a deus ex machina where her freaking nanoprobes magically solved every problem. The rest of them were wastes of skin.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. 0.00 ERA in Salem-Keizer...as a 24-year old.
"Someone to Watch Over Me"
was my favorite episode of that entire series, and it was just about The Doctor and Seven.
by Every6thDay on Sep 14, 2010 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, Wheaton simply dropped out after the third (or was it fourth?) season while Sirtis stayed until the end, so he wins simply by having removed himself from our sight early on.
Sirtis had a handful of good showings — I agree with groug that “Face of the Enemy” was the best Troi-centric ep, but it was the Romulan commander’s performance more than hers that made it good. I hated Wheaton more, but Sirtis was definitely weak. But I hated Diana Maldaur more than Sirtis.
by non sequitur on Sep 14, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Ugh, Pulaski
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
I liked Pulaski. Not more than Crusher, certainly, but the rest of the cast was so boring. She was the only one who had an opinion.
by Every6thDay on Sep 14, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t like Pulaski. I do remember however Maldaur as a very attractive young woman in different guest spots on the original Trek.
by non sequitur on Sep 14, 2010 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
troymccluresf
@wilw Big words from a game under .500. ;) 22 minutes ago via web in reply to wilw
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Sep 14, 2010 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Can we start Nate now? Sit Rowand, go Burrell-Ross-Nate.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by KTJ on Sep 14, 2010 10:04 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'd tend to agree with you
But really, the difference between Rowand and Nate is not that large.
I’d like to try it just to change things up, but meh.
I second the flagging.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 14, 2010 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Thirded
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
here's another good shot of him
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. 0.00 ERA in Salem-Keizer...as a 24-year old.
Good news is that Ross got his first
extra base hit. He needs to be in there againts lefties. I wonder if Pablo would have had the ball hit by Velez. I mean sometimes the dive is just a quick reflective move on a hard hit ball and isn’t that far ranging, and I’ve seen Pablo do that before. But this one seems a bit further out. Still, in looking at replays Velez needs to get out of the box a lot quicker.
Other good news is that Zito gave a solid effort, even though sure he did get wild in the 6th. Usually those type of things should be spread out and unfortunately his walks/wildness have been bunched in one inning and end up costing him. Of course, most of us here are beyond a pticher’s wins/losses, so it didn’t really cost Zito but rather the team
There is no fucking good news
with 18 games left you can’t lose games like this. The Giants saw 25 pitches in innings 3-5. TWENTY FIVE. I am so fucking tired of that. How bout good ole Gene Velez. Hasn’t hit in two fucking weeks. 1-0. Good start. Hey EUGENIO or whatever your fucking name is – how bout taking a strike. No fucking way. Instead I’ll swing at a pitch at my back ankle.
Hey Aaron Rowand, your hitting .230. You have the worst OBP of just about any guy with 300 ab’s in the league. But for once your up in the count 2-0. How bout taking a strike? NAH. Instead I’ll chase a pitch up and away.
This team has dumb hitter after dumb hitter. My God its frustrating.
you make very solid points. im sick of that shit too. when they get ahead in the count, they think “lets hack away” as opposed to “lets take some pitches and try to get a walk”
by giant4life83 on Sep 14, 2010 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
It depends on the hitter of course
Burrell is a good example. he popped up a 2-0 pitch. But Burrell seems to always have a good idea at the plate. He got the pitch he wanted – middle in. And he’s a true power guy. He just missed it. Th
That is a good example. Kershaw was throwing strikes. The Giants were swinging at them and not getting many hits. Therefore, not a lot of pitches.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2010 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I am just glad that Zito didn't throw a no-hitter and then we lost on an unearned run. That's all.
Proud adopted parent of the ball dudes, who have grounded into 109 fewer double plays than the Giants.
FUCKCUNTSHITASSMINTCOCKFENCEPOISON!!!
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
Mint?
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Sep 14, 2010 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Mintcock Fencepoison was an Elizabethan minstrel.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 14, 2010 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Giants baseball
“there’s waterboarding inside”
by Always Keep A Diamond in your mind on Sep 14, 2010 10:10 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
In other news..
Wilson’s Beard>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Timmy’s Hair
Well, that sucked.
I won’t mind it so much if we take the series though.
OT: Roommate awkwardness
So, wow. About halfway through the game, one of my roommates comes into the apartment with her friends and tells me that she got reassignment and she’s moving out tonight. I didn’t even know she applied for reassignment, much less got it and is moving out. So I was in the awkward position of wanting to be helpful and help her move, yet kind of feeling put-off since she is moving out. Oh, and she took all the stuff she volunteered to bring over the summer so the rest of us didn’t bring, which is going to put us in a tight spot, since she brought all the plates, the toaster, TV, and DVD player. I am so glad I ended up bringing my TV as well, or else I’d have to cut a bitch (of course, her taking the TV meant I had to miss around half the game as she unhooked hers and packed it away and I hooked mine up). And we’re probably going to get some other random girl moving in with us in the next few days. Please keep in mind that we’ve been living together for around a month.
I now really regret spending $16 on a cake and candles for her birthday today, that she didn’t eat or even acknowledge. It’s now just chilling on the counter, unopened.
American Heroes: Joe Pavelski, Buster Posey, David Backes
Proud member of the "Doug Wilson for Governor" Club
Fools and Sages
What a bit--- of unkindness from her
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
That totally sucks though
At least plates and a toaster won’t be that much
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
WOW!
That really puts this season into perspective.
that’s just cruel. you bought the girl a cake and she didnt even care. FFFFFFFFFF that
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Sep 14, 2010 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow
if I were in LA, I would come over and eat cake and talk shit about her with you :(
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Me, too.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, the cake is going to be eaten, no question. I just don’t know what the hell I’m going to do with birthday candles.
American Heroes: Joe Pavelski, Buster Posey, David Backes
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Fools and Sages
If I were you I'd find out where the bitch is moving to and use the candles to burn her car to the ground.
OK, I wouldn’t really do that, but it would make a good story for one of the numerous crappy TV police dramas that inhabit prime time television.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 14, 2010 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Candelight vigil for something.
The Giants playoff hopes (inb4 someone accuses me of overreacting), the budding friendship between yourself and your roommate, the Trojans bowl hopes, take your pick.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Light that shit up.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
If you didn't open them, take them back to the store.
Who lets them burn all that long anyway, before tossing them in the garbage?
I am in LA, but doubt my company would be appropriate. Just eat the hell out of that cake!
by Every6thDay on Sep 14, 2010 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
That bitch ain't good enough for cake!
Should have bought her a pie
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Sep 14, 2010 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Wrong
Pie>Cake as has been discussed and settled here.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 14, 2010 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
In your mind...
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Sep 14, 2010 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
There was even a pie chart showing the superiority of pie.
You never see a cake chart showing ANYTHING, therefore, pie is superior.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 14, 2010 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Me too, but I'm pretty much a pot stirrer, so I have to stir the pot.
What’s your main gripe with fruit pie construction?
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 14, 2010 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I can also tell when people make them with fresh vs. canned. If they use canned fruit, they might as well throw the whole pie into the garbage.
That for sure.
If the apple pie isn’t made with fresh pippins, fuggetaboutit.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 14, 2010 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Cherries seem to be the most vulnerable
It’s a wonderful fruit all on its own, and then someone has to ruin it with overcooked canned crap.
so funny i clipped it
Personally, I think a good cake beats a good pie, but cake is much easier to screw up than pie.
by non sequitur on Sep 14, 2010 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I read that as “it’s much easier to screw the pie”
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Sep 14, 2010 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
i was going to point that out, but thought better of it
by TimLaser and MattyC on Sep 14, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I honestly prefer cake, but we didn’t have much of a choice even if she wanted a pie because the crappy supermarket bakery here only sells cakes.
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Fools and Sages
Generalizations don't work out well
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
If i threw a USUALLY In there would that make u happy
How about an “often”
You’d be less wrong?
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2010 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, no.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah this reminded me of holsmkes or whatever the hell his banned ass name was.
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Sep 14, 2010 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry to be not PC
But i’ve just seen it happen way too often for it to be mere coincidence.
MY ANECDATA LET ME SHOW YOU IT
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Hold on Jponry let me get my statistical analysis I've done on the subject and show it to you
/rolls eyes
by DFARowand on Sep 14, 2010 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have anecdata, too, from being an RA, but I know never to assert my experience as meaning an ounce of shit.
by Every6thDay on Sep 14, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not about PC.
It’s about lumping people together with limited samples.
You don’t know all women. You don’t know all women who are roommates.
If you don’t know all of them, then how can you presume to comment on all of them.
this.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I love this site
EVERYTHING in life is explained by sample size
Sample size doesn't matter.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 14, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
No it does
I haven’t done an empirical study of women living together therefore there isn’t an ounce of truth to what I’m saying
/jponryed
by DFARowand on Sep 14, 2010 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
wow.
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Sep 14, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
maybe you'd prefer another approach in response
Say, “Wow, what a bunch of hackneyed misogynistic claptrap. Have you considered a career as a bad standup comic, exploiting well-worn clichés to get laughs out of morons?”
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. 0.00 ERA in Salem-Keizer...as a 24-year old.
/laugh track
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2010 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, okay, then.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions
save the vitriol for the dodgers, please
by TimLaser and MattyC on Sep 14, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
There are literally thousands upon thousands of females living together in dorms across the country without incident.
Speaking as a former RA – male residents were much more trouble than female ones.
I had more near deaths and ODs from the guys, but many more fights and roommate-on-roommate conflicts with the gals. The one thing they all had in common was that I hated them.
by Every6thDay on Sep 14, 2010 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
People living together in general often don’t work out. This is because people are all different from each other and, frequently, clash with each other. It has nothing to do with gender.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Riiiight
None of the social characteristics more prevalent in women make it more likely they would have more problems than male roommates.
None at all.
It’s the whole notion of a woman telling you, “I’m having roommate problems” and you saying, “Well it’s because you’re women.”
by Every6thDay on Sep 14, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Characteristics like much lower levels of violence? Less binge drinking? Stuff like that?
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. 0.00 ERA in Salem-Keizer...as a 24-year old.
Color coordination must be stopped!
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Sep 14, 2010 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
So I guess I should be offended now that you've said males are more prone to violence
No. Some stuff is more prevalent across genders.
I don’t think it’s that far out of bounds (or even all that sexist) to say some of the characteristics more prevalent in women make female cohabitation more troublesome
How could you want Rowand DFA’d? He’s awesome!
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Sep 14, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Anti-social behavior is anti-social.
Non-cooperative is non-cooperative.
Not all personalities mesh.
Those are all gender-neutral perspectives that have everything to do with the roommate conflicts.
by Every6thDay on Sep 14, 2010 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Except that levels of violence can be easily measured and by pretty much every standard, there’s a pretty big difference along gender lines.
Whereas all you’ve come up with is some vaguely expressed notion that women can’t stop cat fighting because of “characteristics” you decline to define.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. 0.00 ERA in Salem-Keizer...as a 24-year old.
There are female characteristics that make female cohabitation troublesome.
There are male characteristics that make male cohabitation troublesome.
There are characteristics of both that make co-ed cohabitation troublesome.
There’s no real way of knowing whether one of these is more troublesome than the others, outside of your own experiences, which can clearly differ from those of other people (as we can see in this very thread).
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
And
as Every6thDay said, there are totally gender-neutral characteristics that can make cohabitation troublesome.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Sorry you can't cite what Every6thDAy is saying after you dismissed what I said as anecdata
Can’t have it both ways
What? How is saying “There are a variety of characteristics that could lead to troublesome cohabitation, some arguably gender-related and some arguably not” the same thing as saying, “All the girls I know can’t live together!!!!”?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
DFA has merged two of my statements to synthesize a false opinion.
by Every6thDay on Sep 14, 2010 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
But please
Yell at me like I’m a sexist prick
Gladly!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I don’t know why you think I wanted data. The point of saying “anecdata” is that your experiences are not necessarily indicative of the whole picture and that to make generalizations based on them is faulty.
Regardless, I have the same issues with that study as jcb.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Sorry jponry
I don’t have time in my life to sit down and empirically study every experience/nelief I have. I wouldn’t be able to live life if I did that.
SOMETIMES you trust your experiences when you have enough of them that it goes past mere coincidence.
All right, then. I’m done with this conversation if you are.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Just curious how come you're ignoring the 2nd study?
In a second study, the researchers surveyed three separate institutions to see how frequently male and female students requested to change roommates. Here are those results:
Whether the students were at a small, medium, or large college or university, females asked for significantly more roommate changes than males.
hate to say it but..
you are.
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Sep 14, 2010 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Please continue to ignore the link
Just makes u look dumber
Will do.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
At risk of getting rushed by the mob...
I’m with you DFA, as from my experience, I’ve seen a lot of girls have trouble with their roommates. There’s been a lot of passive-agreesive behavior that has led to fights or transfers.
I don’t really see what’s sexist about saying that.
by GrooveGiant on Sep 14, 2010 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
fwiw
This is pretty crappy methodology:
A team led by Joyce Benenson conducted a set of three studies that may shed some light on the question. In their first study, they identified 30 male and 30 female undergraduates at a small, Northeastern U.S. college. Half of each group was specifically recruited because they said they had some kind of conflict with their roommate.
That’s an incredibly narrow and unrepresentative sample.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. 0.00 ERA in Salem-Keizer...as a 24-year old.
30 male and 30 female undergraduates in a small college, out of the millions in America. Yeah, that tells me everything I need to know.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Why Didn't you include this JCB?
In a second study, the researchers surveyed three separate institutions to see how frequently male and female students requested to change roommates. Here are those results:
Whether the students were at a small, medium, or large college or university, females asked for significantly more roommate changes than males.
That doesn't say how many people were sampled.
I’m trying to get to the original paper. I’m going to have to call on some of my buddies at Pharyngula, though, and they’re asleep.
That’s just three institutions out of thousands, though.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Still not a remotely representative sample, because it’s limited to college students, who are unrepresentative in any number of ways, including race, income level, level of education, and, above all else, AGE.
A sample of students at three colleges doesn’t really tell you anything about anything – except about students at those colleges. Generalizing from that to the larger population is incredibly problematic.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. 0.00 ERA in Salem-Keizer...as a 24-year old.
And they only sampled
people who were admittedly frustrated with their roommates.
That’s a hugely biased sample!
Seriously? I don’t think I can take this study seriously, then.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
You don’t think there was a representative sample across 3 universities of varying sizes?
READ THE ARTICLE
They didn’t pick their group. They surveyed the institutional complaints as a whole
Do you know anything about polling and surveys?
Anything?
You have to get the right amount of people, ask the right questions, weed out biases.
None of these studies did that!
LOL
You don’t think there was a representative sample across 3 universities of varying sizes?
READ THE ARTICLE
Still not a remotely representative sample, because it’s limited to college students, who are unrepresentative in any number of ways, including race, income level, level of education, and, above all else, AGE.
READ THE COMMENTS AND AT LEAST COMPLAIN ABOUT WHAT I ACTUALLY SAID.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. 0.00 ERA in Salem-Keizer...as a 24-year old.
also
I don’t see anything that gives any indication of who’s behind the study on the page you link to. We get the name of the person leading the research, but nothing else: who does she represent? Who’s funding the study? Was this published in a peer-reviewed journal? What were the controls? What was the methodology?
Without that stuff, just looking at one study is worthless.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. 0.00 ERA in Salem-Keizer...as a 24-year old.
Those are Joyce Benesons credentials
The woman who lead the study.
WHAT A QUACK!
You're actually going to use the argument from authority?
Do you realize that just because she’s degreed and from Harvard, that doesn’t mean that she knows what she’s doing?
Why don't you think about what you read?
I also don’t think that professor meant her study to be conclusive in every situation, nor does she (probably) want someone to totally blow her conclusions out of proportion.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
So they totally surveyed like 120 people total!
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 14, 2010 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
You're so right
You must know so much more about psychological studies than a Psychology professor with a BS from Duke and a PHD from Harvard!
What are your credentials again?
That doesn’t mean her study is the be-all-and-end-all authority on the subject.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
It's more than any of you have offered
Besides attacking a study in a field that I’m guessing is not your expertise.
Here you go
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/25/education/25roomscience-t.html
Now tell us why those studies, which don’t show so many problems for roommates, are flawed.
Here’s one of them, so you can understand what we mean about sample size:
Males with depressed roommates may end up feeling a bit blue themselves, according to Daniel Eisenberg, an assistant professor of public health at the University of Michigan who recently led a survey of 1,600 freshmen at two universities — a public one in the Midwest and a private one in the Northeast — on the issue. He found no such carryover for female students.
1600 students—to study the effect of mood!
But it doesn't really talk about gender differences
Not the point of the study
I'm talking about sample size here
They used 1600 students to study MOOD.
Those are reliable studies. They are broad enough to make some good conclusions on, because you’re getting enough variety of people.
Jesus Christ, do we have to explain Stats 101 to you?
READ THE FUCKING WEBSITE
Do you not think that the sample size in the second study was not large enough.
How about the third one?
Jesus Christ, do we have to explain Stats 101 to you?
this is what i’m saying above thread!
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Sep 14, 2010 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions
And for what's it worth, there was that last sentence
That women weren’t affected by the mood of their roommates as much.
But you conveniently ignored that, didn’t you?
So that study is in your expertise?
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 14, 2010 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions
So it’s totally okay to accept something you have no understanding of, but it’s not acceptable to question what seem to be obvious flaws for the same reason. Got it. Nice double standard there.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 14, 2010 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Just because this person has degrees from Duke and Harvard, it doesn’t mean that this study is a masterpiece.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions
At this point, no.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 14, 2010 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Right, nobody who graduated from Harvard has ever produced shoddy work in any field!
I’m not even questioning the specific findings about life in these three colleges. I’m saying you can’t generalize those findings to the population as a whole because college students are not representative of the population as a whole.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. 0.00 ERA in Salem-Keizer...as a 24-year old.
Like when the president of Harvard said that men were better at math and science?
Aha! A corollary!
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
its called Introductory Statistics, and its taught in college. Take It and learn about small sample sizes, please.
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Sep 14, 2010 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions
no one is yelling here.
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Sep 14, 2010 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions
You don't understand why people
don’t appreciate being presented with studies that use small sample sizes.
Maybe you don’t understand why those are the signs of shoddy work.
THREE STUDIES!!!
Stop just picking out the first one.
She did a second one surveying a much larger samples size.
She also did a third study with 1,100 people that pointed in the same direction as well.
BUT KEEP YELLING SMALL SAMPLE SIZE LIKE YOU’RE AN EXPERT
111,000 people?
That’s still a pretty damn small sample
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
now give us 110,00,000,000
and we may have some progress..
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Sep 14, 2010 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions
i fucked up a zero. LOLME
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Sep 14, 2010 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions
11,00,00,000 is a correct way of writing a number in India. It would be read “11 crore”. It is equivalent to our 110,000,000.
Fun fact: "Mota" is Bengali for "fat".
what he said
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Sep 14, 2010 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
My parents actually talk like this sometimes, though not to the extent that some people I know do: they’ve been in America a fairly long time.
Fun fact: "Mota" is Bengali for "fat".
Meh. I’m not a survey researcher, but the extent to which sample sizes are important always depends on what theoretical question you’re asking.
30 does seem like a small sample size for a professional survey researcher but for whatever reason this person saw fit to deliberately choose non-random samples. If this can be theoretically justified, so be it. We can question whether her results are extensible but that doesn’t mean they’re useless.
by non sequitur on Sep 14, 2010 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions
so, new topic
Religion: what is the one true faith?
(LEST ANYONE THINK I’M ACTUALLY PROPOSING THIS IT’S A SIMPSONS REFERENCE OKAY!?)
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. 0.00 ERA in Salem-Keizer...as a 24-year old.
Let me stop you right there
Women living together doesn’t work out well
Women living together doesn’t work out well
Women living together doesn’t work out well
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
I then immediately
TWO LINES down said would you prefer if I said usually or often.
Everyone knows nothings absolute dude.
There are 120 in all three--total
That is a bullshit study.
Show us where the data is about the other two that contradicts this.
Read the study moron
The 2nd study is percentages of the entire student body
The third is 111 postgraduate students
Good try.
Why don't you tell us the number
The question you keep ignoring.
How many people were in that second study?
Can't help u if you can't read a graph
A higher percentage of female students at both a small, medium, and large university requested roommate changes.
The exact number is not on there but my guess is for the large university its a pretty healthy number.
But I defer to the anonymous expert as opposed to the woman whose spent her life on the topic
But all that says is that female students ask for roommate changes more often than male students. It very notably does not try to offer reasons why that is – it just gives you the data. You can, of course, use it to support your argument, but there are other possible explanations for it as well.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
anecdata!
I fucking hated my roommates, but I never asked to change rooms. My solution was to try to ignore them and live as though they didn’t exist as much as possible. And then the next year I got a single.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. 0.00 ERA in Salem-Keizer...as a 24-year old.
That describes my Freshman year almost exactly. I didn’t hate the guy, though. We just didn’t really get along.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 14, 2010 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions
One of my roommates was a disgusting slob who stole shit and was a drug dealer. So there was that.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. 0.00 ERA in Salem-Keizer...as a 24-year old.
those are some amazing qualities
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Sep 14, 2010 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
The point isn’t whether or not female roommates have worse chemistry. It’s your method to coming up with that conclusion.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
Made this point
Can’t live life empirically studying every belief I have.
Sometimes I have enough experiences and have enough social IQ (probably more than most of the people on this site) to trust my experiences.
In this case I actually found a study that supports what I say. But all anyone can do on here is pick apart the study, when they have nothing to back up there opinions other than experiences/PC beliefs.
And I’m attacked for being an idiot. Nah. I’m just fine. Just because you’re politically correct doesn’t mean you aren’t horribly narrow-minded.
FWIW, I’m about as fucking liberal as you can get. I’m not some misogynist, women should be in the kitchen type.
But hey keep attacking me, keep attacking the study, keep acting all high and mighty. Suits many of you well.
You actually seem to be ignoring a lot of the points that people are making.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 14, 2010 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions
If you’re keeping careful track, there are arguments here that don’t have to do with SSS. jcb9 made an extremely salient point about representative value.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 14, 2010 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
That doesn't necessarily mean females don't co-exist as well as men
It just means that they request for more roommate changes.
Perhaps males have as much problems, but they’re difficult and don’t like to find solutions. It could also mean there are other reasons the women felt the need to change.
Correlation, causation, etc.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
No please
Continue to ignore the other 2 studies they did as well that pointed in the same direction
Without reading the papers she did her analysis on
You can’t know what the sample sizes are. That she used the first is very troubling. It is far, far too small.
THREE GROUPS – THIRTY STUDENTS – THIS IS THE STUDY WHERE THEY STOP BEING POLITE, IF THEY’RE GUYS, AND START GETTING REAL, IF THEY HAVE A FULLY DEVELOPED VAG
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 14, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
TWSS
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 14, 2010 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions
My gf and I joke that if a woman were to be elected President,
all wars would not end. Her first executive order would be to have the military kill all other women. FTB we say to each other. Fuck. That. Bitch. Every woman for herself.
But that is a joke because it is an ugly stereotype. It’s myopia and sexist.
Yes, I am admitting to enjoying stereotypical and sexist humor. BECAUSE I’M A MALE.
by Every6thDay on Sep 14, 2010 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Having lived in a house with 10 guys
I can tell you there are few things more problematic that an extremely drunk and angry college guy. And I say that with experience on both sides of that problem.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
Exactly. I’ve seen people, of both genders, who share a dorm and things don’t work out. People have different personalities and sometimes, it just doesn’t work out.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
As am I.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I was being sarcastic. I meant to have a question mark after problems.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
I was going along with the sarcasm.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I wasn’t sure, I thought you thought I was offended by DFARowand’s comments.
This is no fun anymore.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
LOL. I’ve read enough of your comments to figure out when you’re likely being sarcastic.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha, half my replies this week (or month. whatever) are probably in response to something you said.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s not what I said.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn you, you sneaky bastard.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Not a very good one.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 14, 2010 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I found others to stalk.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions
You're just saying that.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 14, 2010 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m sorry, Howie, but it’s true. You’re just not my number one target anymore.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
A person saying “I’m not PC” tends to be the same as a person who wants to have a built in excuse for saying stupid shit.
I guess that’s kind of a generalization, though.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 14, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
That link pretty much means nothing. It’s a terrible study based on bad methodology and restrictive samples. The people who conducted it should be ashamed of themselves.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 14, 2010 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Your link is crap
And if you’d backtracked through its own links to the original paper, you’d know that.
Somehow, I’ve managed to tune out all of the kitchen jokes that are being texted to me.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I had a wilriv flashback.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 14, 2010 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
so your roommate is getting a gender reassignment procedure done and therefore have to move out of your girls only dorm, amirght?
Proud adopted parent of the ball dudes, who have grounded into 109 fewer double plays than the Giants.
Sure. Except not really, since we don’t live in a girls-only dorm. And she’s still a she, and will probably always be a she. But other than that, you got it exactly right.
American Heroes: Joe Pavelski, Buster Posey, David Backes
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Fools and Sages
Should have bought her pie. I would have moved the fuck out too.
Waking up stressed out because you’ve been running from zombies all night is a stupid way to spend your adulthood. - Howie
Game sucked
Better tomorrow
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
Yeah tomorrow they get Billingsley
They’ve ripped him this year. And given that three of their last four games have been 1-0, I’m sure they will rip him again. Particularly with Aaron Motherfucking Rowand leading off.
Outfield like this please!
Ross in CF, Pat in LF, and Nate platoon with Jose.
A vague attempt at optimism
Taking a step back, there were some OK things.
First of all, if I had to pick a game of these three we were going to lose, it would have been this one. Their ace, our worst starter.
Of course, the fact that we COULD have won it makes that hurt, but it was always going to be the hardest.
Second of all, Cody Ross had the hardest hit ball of the night, and Jose Guillen looked like shit. Again. Taketh the hint, Bochy.
Third? Uhhh. Bullpen. Nails. Bodes well – if we can just make it to the dodger bullpen next game, I like our chances.
Fourth
We could be Mariners fans. They won almost 90 games last season and will be lucky to win 60 this season.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
we could be the Nats, who lost their phenom.
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Sep 14, 2010 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
We could be Purple Row, who think cussing is wrong.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
Fuck that Noise.
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
We could be the Giants who have never won a championship since moving to San Francisco
Oh, wait….
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 14, 2010 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Well when you put it that way
Fuck.
Well at least our GM isn’t the biggest dunce in baseball.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Sep 14, 2010 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Nats franchise pitcher right there
Did us a huge favor today, but I’d have taken that in 2002 YOU CHEESEBURGER FUCK.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Sep 14, 2010 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions
c’mon boch, let Ford play CF. defense, +speed, and can’t possibly do any worse that Rowand at the plate (1-24+ and 0 BBs in last 11 games)
by TimLaser and MattyC on Sep 14, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I know I shouldn't want it
But I do. I wouldn’t mind seeing Ford.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
"Clayton Kershaw" anagrams
I suppose I could give mad props with LANKY ACE THROWS.
Or bag on him with SLOW, CRANKY HATE or WET HONKY RASCAL.
Or make reference to the untimely error with WORST CLANK. YEAH!
Or make reference to our reaction to this game with SNORT WHACKY ALE.
Don’t know what to make of SHOW RECTAL YANK.
Decisions, decisions…
"Buster Posey" anagram = OYSTER PUBES
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Sep 14, 2010 10:29 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I've been called a WET HONKY RASCAL
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Sep 14, 2010 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL!
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 14, 2010 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
SHOW RECTAL YANK
something about goetse
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Just got back from the game, and holy shit Zito was frustrating in his last inning.
OH HEY LEMME LOAD UP THE BASES LOL. And fucking Uribe needs to make that fucking play, also the offense sucked dick. You give up 1 hit and you fucking lose what the fuck.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH FUCK FUCK FUCK
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 14, 2010 10:38 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
you forgot FUCK
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Sep 14, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
ARE YOU MOCKING ME?
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2010 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Seriously. Even worse is when they all get on the same cycle, and you don’t know it, and you’re all like, “Hey, wanna hang out?”, and they’re like, “RAAAAAAAAAAGE AND ICE CREAM”, and you didn’t even fucking know it was that time of the month for one of them, much less the entire house. That’s a bunch of crap.
It’s better that way.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
by cheno on Sep 14, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wait. Maybe Cain and Zito are on the same cycle.
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 14, 2010 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
From living together and not getting along!
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 14, 2010 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions
And don’t forget about THE BEARS!
by Every6thDay on Sep 14, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
But enough about the Giants hitters!
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
by Kitspool on Sep 14, 2010 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What’s the right amount of alcohol to drink tonight so that I can get some sleep? 1 FUCKING HIT! AGAIN!! AGAIN!!!!!!
all of it.
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Sep 14, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
then get more.
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Sep 14, 2010 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I haven’t felt anything close to this… distraught, agitated… since the Spillborghs game, but I was waaaaaay more pissed off for that game. TWICE IN A SEASON. TWICE. TO THE DODGERS. AGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
by Every6thDay on Sep 14, 2010 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
The good news
Jose guillen and aaron rowand might never be in the same line up ever again.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Jose Guillen wasn't in the lineup tonight
And the Giants scored zero runs. Coincidence? NOT TO BRUCE BOCHY!
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
I know he wasn't
I wasn’t trying to blame bork for anything more so just praying that guillen and rowand will be relegated to bench duty.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Sep 14, 2010 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
You're adorable!
Jose Guillen will start eight of the next nine games.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
He will also start the other one.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
Guillen takes BP on his day off, goes 1 for 4 and is forced at second on a single to shallow left.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 14, 2010 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
OH LAWD
Say it ain’t so
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Sep 14, 2010 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
tomorrow's lineup
Rowand CF
Renteria SS
Huff 1B
Guillen RF
Burrell LF
Uribe 2B
Sandoval 3B
Whiteside C
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 14, 2010 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Well this is borkchian after all
You gave him a little to much credit but it will probably end up like
Rowand CF
Whiteside C
Renteria SS
Guillen RF
Burrell LF
Uribe 2B
Fontenot 3B
Huff 1B
Cain’d P
Opting for the “speed at the top of the line up” to get the offense going and putting huff in the 8th spot against a “tough righty”.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Sep 14, 2010 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
THAT GAME SUCKED
That is all
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Apparently there was a game.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
Was it good?
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 14, 2010 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
It sucked.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
It wasn't so much a game as a giant, vomitous mass of ratfucking fail, with a big egg laying cockroach on top.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 14, 2010 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s quite an image.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
sounds like a challenge for natto
by TimLaser and MattyC on Sep 14, 2010 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh
Hello again to heimy, whom I saw at the donation booth for the San Bruno explosion.
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Doing some math on Grant's facts
Out of approximately 375,000 professional baseball games, a team losing while allowing one hit has happened 46 times. It’s happened twice in 145 SF Giants games..
And the Rays got no-hit 3 times in the span of a year, no? They came into today with the best record in baseball.
Improbability happens.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
by Solidarity on Sep 14, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED?
Proud adopted parent of the ball dudes, who have grounded into 109 fewer double plays than the Giants.
The Giants were so close to the ultimate fail
Throwing a no-hitter AND losing.
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Wow you're right
There’s still 2 games left with the dodgers and 3 with the padres.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Sep 14, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
This was not the Giants-related picture I was referring to. I’ll share that one if you guys are nice.
Who is most to blame for allowing the 6th inning run?
Is it Juan Uribe for his mishandling of the glove to throwing hand exchange on what should of been the third out?
or
Is it Barry Zito for being a mental midget by deciding to switch from the aggressive mode that had got him through 5 scoreless innings to the chicken shit mode that said load and clear he was afraid the fans might boo him so he felt he had to try to be perfect which resulted in two walks with two outs to load the bases just because there was a baserunner already in scoring position?
by BornRaisedAGiant on Sep 14, 2010 11:14 PM PDT reply actions
the offense
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Did I ask what was the biggest failure that resulted in the loss?
by BornRaisedAGiant on Sep 14, 2010 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
He HAD to walk Furcal. Furcal has absolutely killed the Giants this year, no matter who was pitching.
by Every6thDay on Sep 14, 2010 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Not sure I can tell which you think is true
But we gave up 1 run and 4 baserunners in 9 innings tonight. Maybe people should shut the fuck up about the pitching.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
by marcello on Sep 14, 2010 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is it not true that mistakes decide close tight low scoring games?
Is it not true that the Giants are the team that made these mistakes?
by BornRaisedAGiant on Sep 14, 2010 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, they mistakenly didn’t score any runs.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2010 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Who is most to blame for an obnoxious troll thread?
Is it BornRaisedAGiant for posting pointless flamebait on a topic that’s already been beaten well to death further up the page, and snarking back at respondents?
or
Is it the McCoven responding seriously as if there’s anything to be gained here?
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 14, 2010 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions
My bad.
I did not read the giant4life83 discussion above and i should have. I should have joined in there rather then start it all over again here.
by BornRaisedAGiant on Sep 14, 2010 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Women.
THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME (for 3 days in 1995).
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Sep 14, 2010 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I had rough night
Giants lose throwing a one hitter and sat in a row in front of some teenage girls who wouldn’t stop screeching.
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I am so, so sorry.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions
One of them said something really inappropriate. Something to do with Buster Posey and oral sex.
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Gonna have to disagree
That sounds entirely appropriate.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
Buster Posey oral sex
…
Wow. Surprisingly vulgar.
by Every6thDay on Sep 14, 2010 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions
This is why I complain to my friends about the teenage fangirls who like Buster only for his looks. WATCH THE SWING, PEOPLE (although, that doesn’t sound right). And this is coming from the chick who said the line starts with her.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Teenage fangirls who only like Buster for his looks
Really need to get their eyes checked
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
I usually ask them what Buster’s CS% is. The responses are hilarious.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
More specifically, when the ball hits the cove.
I’m gonna end that right there.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not sure I want to answer that.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
And what’s that supposed to mean?
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL ME, then.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions
This is my break from unpacking
I still have a lot of shit on the ground.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
Pantalones?
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I said shit yo
But seriously, shoes, a sock, bags, etc.
It’s also kinda small. I’m the first of my roommates here too.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
TWSS
It’s also kinda small.
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Sep 14, 2010 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I know my sisters think he’s cute, but they love him for his game.
by Every6thDay on Sep 14, 2010 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions
He is. But watching him throw out Dodgers trying to steal second is even dreamier.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions
THAT’S OUR BUSTER!
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Did they ask to change their seats?
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 14, 2010 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions
THIS STUDY I READ FROM SOMEONE AT YALE AND PRINCETON SAID WOMEN LOVE TO CHANGE THEIR SEATS SO MUCH MORE THAN MEN
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
MEN ARE MANLY AND JUST TOUGH IT OUT
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2010 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Just got home
So, that sucked.
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis who is stuck in the baseball purgatory called extended spring training.
You say hello to heimy? He was there tonight.
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I saw him on the big screen but he didn’t come around my section tonight.
I do have a complaint about the T-Shirt Toss tonight though. My section (328) was finally one of the sections tonight and the Orange and Black Attack team member proceeded to throw the majority of them into section 327.
Lame.
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis who is stuck in the baseball purgatory called extended spring training.
The above discussion is keeping me from watching Avatar: The Last Airbender.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
Book 2: Episode 10.
Zuko just stood in the rain trying to get lightning’d. :(
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 14, 2010 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Poor faily Zuko :(
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I just want to see him live happily with his uncle.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 14, 2010 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s keeping me from going to bed. Goddammit always relevant xkcd-panel!!!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
It's keeping me from finishing my writeup
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
It’s 2:30 AM here and I’m dicking around on the internet. :(
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. 0.00 ERA in Salem-Keizer...as a 24-year old.
I have to get up at 6 tomorrow, I’m not sure why I am still awake.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Because you’re fighting with your female roommate?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
by baetown415 on Sep 14, 2010 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
we actually get along pretty well!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
THAT’S NOT MY EXPERIENCE, SO THAT’S NOT TRUE
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
LOL
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions
well fuck that shit
no way that discussion’s as important as the fate of the Earth Kingdom!
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 14, 2010 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I still don’t understand King Boomy’s decision, honestly.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 14, 2010 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
well, there’s the whole neutral jing thing – watch and wait for the right time to strike – but i think the main implication is that he’s a legimitate insane person and all his decisions are predicated on that fact.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 14, 2010 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah. I definitely understand the “wait for the right moment” thing, but it kind of seems like “after the Fire Nation has destroyed everything good about your civilization” is the wrong time.
It’s probably just the crazy person thing. I think the first visit to Omashu also sort of made it clear that the city had been in a serious decline for a while. So he’s probably just not a very good king.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 14, 2010 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Don’t forget, there’s a whole even bigger Earth Kingdom city out there and the king there is presumably an ally or superior of Bumi. So maybe he’s hoping help is on the way from Ba Sing Se?
Fuck now I need to rewatch.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 14, 2010 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Interesting take. And plausible.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 14, 2010 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep. I’m drinking non-diet soda and playing MLB 10: The Show while monitoring the comments in this thread. Nope. Nothing pathetic going on here.
i'm Z'ing this thread
because I waited until that disaster of a game was over to prep dinner for tomorrow, and during that time some WoW assholes opened a can of drama on my guild and i have to babysit.
so i think you might be better off here.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 14, 2010 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Congrats!
during that time some WoW assholes opened a can of drama on my guild and i have to babysit.
On a board full of nerbs, this wins the nerbiest comment of the thread.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
to be fair
most of those are people i know in real life. WoW is just what we do together.
but i’ll take my award anyway, because it has good stats and will increase my damage per second ratio.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 15, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Well that’s a sentence that I’m pretty sure is about your penis.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 14, 2010 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
LOL
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Bochy is happy to oblige
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
dammit beat me to it!
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Sep 14, 2010 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
ahhhhhh turnabout is fairplay
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Sep 14, 2010 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh God, I’m going to lose sleep just thinking about that.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
If that was my job, I would die.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
What's funny is the effect perception of height has on physical ability
The actual technical climbing involved is not hard at all. Any of us could easily do that if it weren’t very high up.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
If you aren’t high up, there’s no risk of dying.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
But if our perception didn't cloud our physical ability
Then the risk would not be that greater way up high, because the likelihood of making a mistake would be exactly the same. Since perception of height DOES affect physical ability (the shaking knees, sweaty palms effect), risk goes up. For some reason, I find this very interesting.
I’ve seen 8 yr olds tight rope walk 3 feet above the ground. Theoretically, they should be able to do the same thing between the tops of skyscrapers. What a funny universe.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
They probably could
but if 1 out of 10 fall off the 3-foot tightrope it’s no big deal. If 1 out of 10, or even 1 out of 100, falls from the skyscraper it’s kind of a big deal.
I mean, I get what you’re saying about perception, but you’re not addressing expected value which is also a factor.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
by EliminateMe on Sep 15, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
The risk would be much greater because the consequences of falling are very different at different heighths.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Jesus Christ. I feel nauseous.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2010 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I started worrying that I would fall off my chair and plunge to my death.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2010 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions
IWANNADOTHATIWANNADOTHATIWANNADOTHATIWANNADOTHATIWANNADOTHAT
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis who is stuck in the baseball purgatory called extended spring training.
okay, it's ridiculous how late it is
…and how soon I have to get up.
Damn all you people. Damn you, and good night.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. 0.00 ERA in Salem-Keizer...as a 24-year old.
Anybody check out the 2011 schedule yet?
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I have.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 14, 2010 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions
this season hurts my heart. but my brain says “keep watching”
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Sep 14, 2010 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions
On the Giants website
Top Searches: Dynamic Deal Magic
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
There’s a loud repetitive sound on the floors above me. I wonder what it is.
Man, I’ve missed college.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
Fucking
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Somebody has a DDR pad in the room above yours?
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
nes powerpad
Waking up stressed out because you’ve been running from zombies all night is a stupid way to spend your adulthood. - Howie
power glove
the sound is the frustrated user stomping the POS to bits.
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis who is stuck in the baseball purgatory called extended spring training.
Wow. Aang went nuts.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
Oh wow: Is this the same pregnant couple that Zuko decided not to steal from earlier in the season? That’s awesome!
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2010 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions
You talking about Grease?!
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
CABBAGE GUY!
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2010 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I really like that this show doesn’t just throw these characters away. Although I could probably live without more Jet.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2010 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I may!
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey, you lied.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Which book/chapter?
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU
I tweet (more often than I blarg).
by can of corn on Sep 15, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
That was book 2, chapter 11 (The Desert).
I’m on Chapter 16 now. I really liked the Tales of Ba Sing Se episode. Poor Iroh.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow
Glad I chose to see the Walkmen and Japandroids than the end of this debacle.
Watching one one-hit loss a year is enough for me.
Just to cheer you guys up, I give you this. God damn it I need to learn the drums.
Proud of both my adopted son, Baggs, and my ward, Ryan LOLlis.
Thread takeaways:
Zito is the problem.
Silmarillion sux.
Wimmins don’t get along.
White people use English oppressively.
Grant still isn’t 100% on the +reply button.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2010 8:20 AM PDT reply actions
Man, if Grant can’t use the reply button correctly, what hope is there for the unwashed masses?
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
my masses are washed
speak for yourself
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
AND HIS LANTERN JAW
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2010 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Shift-A: Why does it have to hurt so much to be a Giants' fan?
At least ATL and the Rox lost…rooting for the Rox today.
Did last night happen? I feel weird this morning. Like something traumatic happened, but somebody (not me) got enjoyment out of it. Where am I?
/checks standings
/checks tonight’s opposing pitcher
/throws self in front of bus
/Jerome Bettis stops and helps you up.
“You alright man?”
Waking up stressed out because you’ve been running from zombies all night is a stupid way to spend your adulthood. - Howie
Well done.
I first wrote /throws self in front of train, but changed it to avoid invocation of the band.
Jerome Bettis > The band Train
(weirdest comparison ever?)
Waking up stressed out because you’ve been running from zombies all night is a stupid way to spend your adulthood. - Howie
He definitely has a more perfectly groomed beard.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Me neither.
I won’t blame being late to work and getting dressed down for it because of last night’s game… but it certainly was a contributing factor.
/denies needing to reassess his priorities
by Every6thDay on Sep 15, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
JASON MAXWELL GRAND SLAM
4-0 Nats in the 2nd
Bang bang Maxwell, silver hammer.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Shift A
What the actual fuck happened here? I saw the game, I mean in the thread.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
I dunno. I was just reading through the crap posted by giant4life about how crappy Zito pitched and how if he’d pitched better than giving up one unearned run the Giants would have won. Then my brain sploded.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU
I tweet (more often than I blarg).
by can of corn on Sep 15, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
that’s not what I said. i said he pitched well enough to win. i disagreed with the way he pitched to eithier, nibbling instead of going after him. if youre gonna walk furcal to get to eithier, you gotta go after him.
but, I don’t want to rehash everything. lets just let it be.
by giant4life83 on Sep 15, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
the thing is
it happened.
Sucking up to Grant for a mod position since 2009
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
It’s been established that boys to go Jupiter to get stupider, while girls go to college to get more knowledge.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Arthur Clarke once theorized that the core of Jupiter was an earth sized diamond
Proof that boys who go to Jupiter really are stupider. And most like will be crushed beyond recognition before being melted and disolved into their main elements.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Our main elements are misogyny and violence. Some back hair.
by Every6thDay on Sep 15, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
THER JUST GOING TO GET TEH DIAMOND FOR THERE GURLFRIEND11
Waking up stressed out because you’ve been running from zombies all night is a stupid way to spend your adulthood. - Howie
ARE YOU MOCKING ME?
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know what the worst part of last night's game was
1) Giants lost on a run scored on an error
2) The runner who score the lone run reach on a weak HBP…you attempt a swing…no HBP
3) Giants lost another game in which their pitchers gave up one run.
4) all of the above + versus the Dodgers + 1-HIT LOSS AGAIN!
by Every6thDay on Sep 15, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
5) The run was scored without getting a hit in the inning
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis who is stuck in the baseball purgatory called extended spring training.
6) Casey Blake was the one who knocked in the run
by Every6thDay on Sep 15, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I am not optimistic.
If the Giants win, then, hey, they have a shot to win the series. But Billingsley has fustigated them. I expect the Giants to score no more than 1 run tonight. Will that be enough? (doubtful; Cain has historically been bad against the Dodgers).
by Every6thDay on Sep 15, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Juan Uribe is the new Cody Ransom
As it turns out, Xanthan was wrong all this time.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2010 11:16 AM PDT reply actions
I still trip out when I hear Uribe's voice in interviews.
Totally doesn’t match. Equally as trippy is when J. Sanchez gives interviews. He doesnt open his mouth when he talks. I keep looking for the ventriloquist puppet.
both GO away!
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Sep 15, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
tulo single
1-0 Roxxxxxxxx
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
He’ll be single for a long time if he doesn’t get rid of that mullet.
Waking up stressed out because you’ve been running from zombies all night is a stupid way to spend your adulthood. - Howie
/rimshot
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
i know a decent amount of women from CO(my best friend went to college in denver), and almost all of them think he is an uggo
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Sep 15, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
WOMEN LIVING TOGETHER CAUSES PROBLEMS
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Sep 15, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
SMALL SAMPLE SIZE FTW
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Sep 15, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought that was Adrian Beltre.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
mumble mumble mumble rec mumble mumble dive mumble mumble mumble dive.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
“we have to call a play AGAIN. when will this nonsense end??”
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
"oh I thought we was on defense. I was like damn Alex what you doing playing safety boy. So lemme
just flip this book open…mmmm ok lets see, what down is this? I dont think i have a play for this. Just snap it and fling it to the Moran Norris Cat, he’ll be wide open I bet."
so ATL lost, appears the Pads will lose, so I’d call tonight as close to a must-win as it gets (without being a MUST WIN)
I’m sorry if i riled you guys up last night, I was just looking for a finger to point, and i did disagree with the way he pitched to Eithier, but that’s over and done. Youre right, Im wrong.
it made for an entertaining show
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
I narrowed the blame down to the players name I coupled with "FUCKIN'__________
the most. I actually went with URIBE the most last night. I thought Zito did all we could expect. I realized that he put himself in a crazy predicament, but i felt the odds were with him to get out of it.
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