minor lines 9/1/10
by steve S on Sep 1, 2010 10:39 PM PDT
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PrintHighlights from the Giants' farm: Felix Romero allowed just 1 ER in 6.0 IP, and Tyler LaTorre homered.
AAA: Fresno lost to Salt Lake 8-7 (10 innings)
(their sixth straight loss, effecting turning a 2.5 game division lead into a 3.5 game deficit)
Fresno: 2B Manny Burriss: 2 for 5, BB, GiDP
Fresno: 3B Jesus Guzman: 3 for 5, BB, SO
Fresno: 1B Brandon Belt: 2 for 4, 2B, BB, 2 SO
Fresno: 1B Brett Pill: 2 for 4, 2B, BB
Salt Lake: 1B Mark Trumbo: 2 for 4, HR, BB
Fresno: SP Waldis Joaquin: 3.2 IP, 9 H, 6 R, 6 ER, 2 BB, 1 K--1 HR
Seven Grizzlies' had multi-hit games, led by Guzman's three hits. Belt, Burriss, and Pill reached base three times. The Angels' Trumbo homered once again, his fifth HR in four days, giving him the minor league lead with 35 HRs. Why is he not in the majors already?
Joaquin made his fourth start. His ER total has grown with each start, from 0 ER to 1 ER to 3 ER and now 6 ER. He figures to have one more start this year. Can he reverse the trend?
AA: Richmond lost to Erie 4-1
Richmond: C Tyler LaTorre: 1 for 3, HR, E
Richmond: CF Ryan Lormand: 1 for 2, BB, SO
Richmond: SP Felix Romero: 6.0 IP, 5 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 5 K
Richmond: RP Daryl Maday: 1.1 IP, 4 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 1 BB--1 HB
LaTorre led off the 6th inning with his 2nd HR this year. Lormand was one of two Flying Squirrels to reach base twice, but the late round pick two years ago still has an OPS below .600 this year.
Romero allowed 1 ER or less for the sixth time in his last nine starts. He has a 2.96 ERA in thirteen starts this year. Maday retired just four of ten batters to take the loss.
A+: San Jose lost to Inland Empire 10-5
San Jose: RF Francisco Peguero: 3 for 5, CS
San Jose: CF Juan Perez: 2 for 5, HR, SO
San Jose: SP Chris Ray: 1.2 IP, 7 H, 4 R, 2 ER, 0 BB, 1 K--1 E
San Jose: RP Jorge Bucardo: 4.2 IP, 8 H, 5 R, 3 ER, 1 BB, 1 K--1 HB, 1 WP
San Jose: RP Jason Stoffel: 1.0 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 1 K
Inland Empire: SP Aaron Miller: 5.0 IP, 9 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 1 BB, 5 K--1 HR, 1 HB
Perez had his 12th HR. Peguero had three more hits. Despite his speed, he has not been the most efficient baserunner with a 38/22 SB/CS line.
Ray's first rehab appearance was not very auspicious as he allowed hits to seven of the ten batters he faced. Bucardo is scuffling down the stretch with 3+ ER in four of his last five starts (counting this as a start). Stoffel allowed an insurance run in the 9th inning. Miller, whom Baseball America rated among the Dodgers' top five prospect to begin the year, had one of his least effective starts of the year. He had allowed more than 1 ER just once once in his previous seven Cal League starts (a stint interrupted by six starts in the upper minors).
A-: Augusta lost to Lakewood 14-2
(falling behind 12-0 after three innings)
Augusta: 3B Chris Dominguez: 1 for 3, 2B, BB, 2 E
Augusta: C Tommy Joseph: 1 for 2, 3 PB
Augusta: SP Brian Irving: 2.0 IP, 5 H, 6 R, 3 ER, 2 BB, 2 K--1 HB
Augusta: RP Jeremy Toole: 0.0 IP, 4 H, 6 R, 2 ER, 1 BB--1 WP
Augusta: RP Hector Correa: 2.0 IP, 1 K
Dominguez was the only GreenJacket to reach base twice, and his 30th double was their only XBH. He also committed his 31st and 32nd errors. Joseph played just four innings, being replaced in the 5th inning after three passed balls. He has 19 PB this year.
Irving, who had his shortest start of the year, and Toole, who did not retire any of his seven batters, both allowed six runs. Correa pitched perfect 6th and 7th innings.
ssA: Salem-Keizer tied with Eugene 4-4 (entering the 11th inning)
(game still in progress)
Salem-Keizer: DH Gary Brown: 1 for 5, 3B, SO
Salem-Keizr: LF Ryan Scoma: 1 for 3, 2 BB, SO
Salem-Keizer: SP Edward Concepcion: 4.0 IP, 2 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 5 BB, 2 K
Salem-Keizer: RP Stephen Harrold: 2.0 IP, 1 H, 1 BB, 4 K
Scoma, the Volcanoes' top hitter this year, reached base three times. Brown, the Giants' first rounder this year playing in his second NWL game, had the Volcanoes' only XBH.
Continuing to struggle with his control, Concepcion issued a season-high 5 BB. Harrold struck out four of his eight batters.
R: The rookie Giants' season ended August 30
DSL: Giants defeated Reds 8-5
(taking a 2-1 lead in the best-of-five series)
Dominican: CF Jesus Galindo: 2 for 2, 2 BB, CS
Dominican: SP Keurin Feliz: 6.1 IP, 6 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 1 BB, 6 K--1 HB
Galindo (20.0 y.o.), who had a .385 OBP during the regular season with almost as many walks as hits, reached base in all four plate appearances. After 3 ER in the first couple innings and then 2 ER in the 7th inning, Feliz allowed a season-high 5 ER in his second longest start of the year.
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Good Lord
Belt is now hitting .276/.461/.656 for Fresno.
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I feel bad for not caring about the Grizzlies choking though.
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"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Like I said the other day after the cody game
THAT is the beauty of minor league baseball. There is no pain!
It is like borrowing a pet… that way, your pet never dies!
But I still have to clean the bits off of my garage floor.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 2, 2010 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions
with a very low BABIP, and despite what was for some time a weak BA, a very high walk rate—these numbers probably understate his projectible performance by a great deal.
His secondary average must be ridiculous right now. He’s got 10 walks in 39 PA. 5 extra base hits out of 8 hits total.
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.276/.462/.655/1.117
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Meh...
Brandon Belt cheats the game! Quit cheating the game, you’ll never get called up that way.
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by Giant Torture on Sep 2, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
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Shawon Dunston is not happy!
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by Giant Torture on Sep 2, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
OBP should be less than BA
If it’s not, you’re being selfish by not having any sacrifices.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
Love that Belt gets on base by walking so much, but isn’t that a little odd for a clean-up hitter? I know RBI’s mean nothing on this site, but who then is supposed to hit HIM in?
by flyonthewall on Sep 3, 2010 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions
The Grizzlies have dropped a ton of games and the main problem is that guys get on base, but they can’t get ‘em home. RBI hitter needed big time. The two go hand in hand – OBP guys and RBI guys. Can’t win without both.
by flyonthewall on Sep 3, 2010 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Not that it matters, but Belt has 9 RBI’s in 9 AAA games. So…
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
Yeah, I can’t think of a Giants cleanup hitter who was super productive and also walked a lot.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 3, 2010 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
The Brett Pill guy – that’s good. No, just come on here to see who your latest God is – and you all are pretty entertaining. I think Pill’s RBI’s are pretty good this year, as usual.
by flyonthewall on Sep 3, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL Keith Law
Brandon Belt (millbrae)
What more do I have to do to prove that I am prospect worthy?
Klaw
The bigger question is what more you have to do to prove you’re worthy of a spot on the 40-man. No one’s questioning your prospect status that I know of, but the Giants won’t, say, DFA Brett Pill to make room for a bat that might help them catch the Padres?
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
Was the Barry Bonds reference too subtle?
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 4, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
/winces
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 4, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Love that Belt gets on base by walking so much, but isn’t that a little odd for a clean-up hitter?
Why, no! In fact, it’s amazingly typical.
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Belt needs his own entry in wikipedia already
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SUCK IT BAYLOR
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
Why is Joaquin starting?
He’s on the 40 man, and looked pretty good last year – call him up (along with grizzled vet Mota), so the bullpen gets another live arm.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
I'm for it
They are trying to force him to work on his secondary pitches, and not just throw 95% FBs. Even as a short reliever, he needs to develop at least 1 more reliable pitch.
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Joaquin looked good at some point? To my eyes, he’s never even really looked good in the minors. He’s never had anything like control. Since he got to the Cal League he’s had a BB/9 of about 5.0 consistently at every level (in fact even counting his low A and short season years his career numbers are 4.0 bb/9) and he’s also been exceptionally hittable for a guy with high velocity (career 7.7 h/9, with a 10.3 this year and a 9.3 in the Cal League). Also for a guy with 95+ gas who has mostly performed as 1 inning stint reliever, his K/9 numbers in his minor league career aren’t very impressive.
To me he’s really just inventory. If there’s a whole for a few weeks you could plug him in it. If you need another body in a trade by all means toss him in. But I have a real hard time invisioning him ever being even a marginally important part of a good team.
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majors last year
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
7 BB in 10.2 innings.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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aha perhaps just faulty memory
I guess he might well be Bautista redux but its Sep – bring up enough bullpen arms and scrubs for specialized situations (ie, Darren Ford) if they are on the 40 man.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
Lots of guys throw hard. The Giants could start their own kewpie doll collection of hard throwing righties. Problem is, most of this collection has little command of their fastballs and their secondary pitches are just variations of those free-range four-seamers.
There is a reason Casilla, Mota, Bautista, Valdez, Joaquin all seem to be the same type of pitcher. They are.
by Roy Hobbs Jr. on Sep 3, 2010 6:58 AM PDT up reply actions
As someone once remarked . . .
. . . long, long ago in a galaxy far, far away (or maybe not), “The problem with great young arms is that so many of them come attached to shitty young pitchers.”
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LOL
This might be the funniest thing you’ve ever said on this site.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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Salem-Keizer lost to Eugene 5-4 (in 14 innings)
Eugene scored 5 earned runs despite only getting 7 hits in 14 innings – only 1 of which was an XBH. How did they do it? They also worked 9 BBs out of the Volcanoes’ pitching staff and also were 4 for 4 in SB attempts.
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SK has the distinction of the worst record since the franchise started in 1997.
2 words, they suck.
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At least they’ll get the #1 draft pick next year. So we got that going for us. LOL.
Seriously though, I couldn’t believe that the minor league braintrust didn’t send them some of the massive surplus of pitchers they had in Scottsdale halfway through the season. Any team that has Taylor Rogers and Shane Kaufman pitching the majority of their innings is doomed to failure.
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two words: shit sandwich
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Neal back in the lineup
and playing RF, as Timpner DHs, while infielders Bond and Lormand play left and center. Good luck, Squirrels.
At least Neal not hurt apparently, and gets one hit.
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Realistically ...
Who are the players in the system that have a legitimate shot to stick with the Giants next year? I’d love to hear from the folks that have followed this all year. Thanks
Belt, for sure. Maybe Thomas Neal. Rohlinger as a bench player. The one concern is that there isn’t much in the way of pitching at the moment – not even relief pitchers, really.
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I think Neal is no. Maybe later in the year after a injury or something, but with Belt (more likely than Neal to make the team), Ross, Torres and at least one of Huff or Burrell resigning I doubt Neal makes the team until Sept.
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by say hey nation on Sep 2, 2010 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions
re-signed
Because in all likelihood huff will be back, and Belt is first in line, thusly, if Burrel is in Left, Belt in Right, and Huff at first, there is no room for Neal. However, Neal is going to explode in Fresno next year. Look for 330/400/550 at minimum.
The BA and OBP prediction for Neal is too much, but I do agree that he’ll have a very good year in Fresno. He’s the type that really needs at least a full year in AAA before he’ll be ready to try the majors.
I also think that there’s no way that Belt breaks camp as an OF for SF. He needs a lot of work on flyballs in the OF for that. If all 3 of those guys are on the team at the same time, Belt will be at 1B (where he has gold glove potential) and Huff would be in RF. However, I don’t see Huff coming back to SF next year. This is his last chance at a big $$$ multi-year contract and we’ll most likely be outbid for his services in years and $$$.
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let's not forget that DeRosa is coming back next year as well
and he is a gritty gamer that is proven so he will play somewhere as well. If he plays 3b and Sandoval plays 1b that would move Huff (if re-signed) to LF.
I expect Belt to be on a Posey Path,
I assume something like a call-up in early June, of course dependant upon production. Also, the numbers i predict would be worse than his numbers in High-A (which i predict he will return towards) and about a 10% jump in his numbers this year compared to his road stats (which is likely considering the league).
Remember Shierholtz put up 320/370/ 570 if you average his two years in Fresno, and Neal has out preformed Schierholtz at every level to this point.
Neal is a pretender
The couple of times that I’ve seen him I just don’t like his approach he seems to be up there guessing, which works a whole lot better in AA than in the MLB, but hopefully I’m wrong.
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by Giant Torture on Sep 2, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Fixed
I also think that there’s no way that Belt breaks camp as an OF for SF. He needsa lot of work on flyballs in the OFto stop taking so many walks and also age about ten years for that.
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by Giant Torture on Sep 2, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
He needs to...
learn to t, get major league experience before he gets major league experiencecatch, to hi
If Uribe doesn't want to come back on another 1-year
Rohlinger would probably share SS duties with Fontenot – They could platoon, with Font against righties and Rohl against lefties.
Rohlinger would probably share SS duties with Fontenot
I’ve seen exactly 0 indications that this organization views Rohlinger as a potential starter. I don’t believe there’s any sequence of events that could lead to that outcome.
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That would be a good plan
although that SS defense would end up being scary…that said I agree with Roger-I think the Giants would start Burriss at SS before RyRohl
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That would be a disaster
Fontenot is no short stop. He has neither the range nor the arm. Rohlinger is, imo, is at best a utility guy.
SS is the Giants No. 1 off season need. By a long shot.
The FA SS class is incredibly weak
So the Giants best bet to get a SS would be via trade
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by say hey nation on Sep 2, 2010 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions
It's a very short list IMO
Realistically, I would say that the answer is only 3 guys. And I would further guess that only 1 of the 3 has a realistic shot at starting the season in SF. Here’s my list:
Henry Sosa - he has a very good chance of breaking camp with the Giants as a reliever if he has a good ST. Almost certainly he’ll be the first callup if he can have a good first few months out of the pen in Fresno next year.
Brandon Belt - if he has a truly fantastic ST he could break camp with the Giants, but he’s more likely to be a mid-season callup. A lot depends on what BS does in the FA/trade market in the offseason. If he gets a vet 1B (very likely IMO) or if he gets a vet 3B and moves Panda to 1B, then Belt’s path to SF will be much longer and likely to be as a corner outfielder.
Ryan Rohlinger - he has a very, very slim chance of breaking camp with the Giants as an utility IF. BS doesn’t like to go with young guys in this role, so I wouldn’t bet on this happening. More likely he only makes it to SF next year when somebody gets injured or during the Sept. roster callups.
In addition, there is a very small chance that Brandon Crawford has a hot ST, a good first 2 months in Fresno, and gets called up sometime next year.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
I do not hate having Crawford in the back pocket
SS is particularly scary. I think we can all safely assume that Rent is gone. Uribe has cooled, but will probably still be $$. If they don’t sign him then we are in danger of Rent V.2.
Of course, all of this is contingent on Panda being able to stick at 3B at least one more season.
Yeah
Crawford would be the best defensive SS on the club right now. His plate approach needs a lot of work though
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Crawford
Needs to get more HBP and also bunt for more singles because his swing and approach are pretty lackluster. I doubt even a great ST would win him a job at this point and could even see him repeating AA given the time he missed with injury.
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by Giant Torture on Sep 2, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
The injury may have cost him a shot
He wasn’t hitting much to begin with. I’m afraid he’s a year away.
I like that they sent him to SJ and wonder if this means he might make an appearance in SF later this month. He’s on the 40man, no?
No he's not. And he's not Rule 5 eligible
I really hope he doesn’t get called up-and I’m a Crawford fan
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By Rent v.2
Do you mean Edgar Renteria or Alex Gonzalez?
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I’d even remove Sosa from that list. He’s just been brutally bad this year. A k/9 of 6.3 and a bb/9 of 4.4? Really, can you pitch much worse than that?
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He’s been starting in most of his appearances this year, and pitching mostly 4+ innings at a pop. Due to his injury history, his true future in SF is as a short reliever, in which case his K’s should go up and his BBs down by more than a little bit.
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I’m not sure there’s any argument for why BB/9 would go down when converting to relief (certainly looking at our relief staff won’t help).
Fact is, he’s pitched about half his season this year in relief (47.0 innings) and his numbers have been even worse in relief this year than they have as a starter:
5.36 BB/9 (vs. 3.51 as a starter)
5.94 k/9 (vs. 6.35 as a starter)
He had a slightly better FIP as a reliever, 5.79 vs. 5.96, but it’s all horrible any way you look at it. And the thing is, his K rate had disappeared in 2009 in AA as well (5.38). For a guy whose calling card is all about stuff, you just can’t rationalize away a sub 6 k/9 in the upper minors.
this is the career resume of guy who peaked in A ball, and those numbers don’t really suggest he’s got the same stuff that he did before the injuries. I’m not sure there’s still a major league arm there at this point.
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I see what you’re saying, and it’s a strong argument. The point that I think that you’re missing is that even his relief appearances in his minor league career were as a long reliever where he was pitching 2-4 innings at a pop. Because of that, most likely a much higher percentage of the pitches that he threw were secondary pitches that he was trying to improve upon. My predictive assumptions were based on the fact that I believe he’ll be a 1 inning set-up man in the majors. In that case he’ll throw way fewer secondary pitches and his K/9 and BB/9 rate should both improve.
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My predictive assumptions were based on the fact that I believe he’ll be a 1 inning set-up man in the majors. In that case he’ll throw way fewer secondary pitches and his K/9 and BB/9 rate should both improve.
You’re not just assuming that he’ll be a 1 inning set up man. You’re assuming that the troubles in both his K rate and BB rate are exclusively due to excessive usage of secondary pitches he can’t command. AND you’re assuming that his fastball alone is good enough to retire (and K) major league hitters regularly. Without both of those things being true, his K rate and BB rate this year spell doom to his major league future.
Now both of those things could conceivably be true, but I wouldn’t assume either of them.
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I don't think Sosa has a good shot of making the team
I mean here are the relievers that are under team control for next year
Wilson
Romo
Affeldt
Lopez
Runzler
Ray
Ramirez
Casilla
I think Sosa is a long shot to make the team out of ST
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Lot of lefties on there. Though Affeldt and Runzler aren’t really lefty specialists, I guess.
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by theghostofjasonellison on Sep 2, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Would we not . . .
. . . prefer Runzler to Affeldt? Affeldt had an uncharacteristic 2009. He does have the virtue of being fairly effective regardless of handedness (unlike, apparently, Runzler), but it’s unclear if that is a virtue.
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Runzler has more value than Affeldt
I’d prefer Affeldt get moved, but I think if we want someone, we need to ship Runzler
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Then let's not want anyone.
Unless it’s an offer no one could refuse. (Hah.)
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If KC puts DeJesus back on the market this year
I’d move Runzler for him. Or if we try to swing a deal for Fielder, Runzler could be a valuable piece of that deal (Not the main piece though)
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I don't think Neal or Belt will be breaking camp with the Giants...
I expect both the hitters to be in Fresno.
I don’t see too many players that aren’t already in SF having chances. I think most of the opportunities will be the bullpen. Joaquin will get a shot to return, and the team loves hard-throwing kids, so Sosa will also be in the mix. I also wouldn’t be surprised to see Pucetas get one last shot as a long reliever, especially with how he’s finishing the season (four of the last five starts with one earned run or less allowed).
Also, as noted, Ryan Rohlinger should get a shot to be a utility player, depending on offseason signings/resignings.
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by BruteSentiment on Sep 2, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Scary Tommy
Joseph played just four innings, being replaced in the 5th inning after three passed balls. He has 19 PB this year.
I didn’t realize that his PB total had climbed that high. That’s even more scary in the context of the fact the he’s only started about 60% of the games that he’s played at catcher. So, he has 19 PBs in only 37 starts – that’s an average of more than 1 PB in every other start. I don’t see how any Giants pitcher can relax and throw with no doubts when Joseph is behind the plate. I have grave doubts about his future as a C. HIs value goes way down if he’s only a 1B with limited range.
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I’ve always felt that he would eventually end up somewhere other than catcher, and with Burkhart and Sanchez both looking like legit prospects, I think it will happen sooner rather than later. If anything, I think a move to first would benefit TJ, as he wouldn’t have to think as much about his defense and could concentrate on his hitting.
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by crazedcrustacean on Sep 2, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Pretty much this
I always saw him as pretty much being a First Baseman.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
You certainly know better than I, but it was my understanding that nobody expected him to stick at catcher.
by BestHyperboleEver on Sep 2, 2010 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I also saw him as a marginal C – I just didn’t think he would be this awful at it. He’s got a wide body, all he has to do his kneel down in front of the pitch and it won’t be a PB even if he can’t catch it with his mitt. His value goes way down if he’s not at C. His lack of quickness and footspeed make him a liability in the field at any other position. As a 1B his most likely only major league future is in the AL (where he could DH). Hopefully he’ll get hot for a few months in the Cal League next year and we can trade him for something useful.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
I wouldn’t sell so quickly on him. He still has the power potential and this is first years dealing with breaking balls on a consistent basis.
Also, do you remember why the Phillies where concerned about Chase Utley as a minor leaguer? His defense sucked.
Overplayed memes:
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by say hey nation on Sep 2, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually he’s gotten some pretty favorable reviews from Sally managers on his catching this year, as well. I think it was his defense that got him in the All Star game this year. Hard to explain why those PBs are so high, but right now its just one puzzle piece amid many. I agree, at this age, there’s still some years to go before we know what he really is.
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I think his high 2nd round draft position, big signing bonus, and lack of other deserving position player on the Augusta roster got him into the ASG this year. I’ve also heard that he’s well-liked for his work ethic and good attitude. His CS ratio has been putrid this year too, although, in his defense, I would imagine that he’s not getting a lot of help from his pitching staff in keeping runners close to the bag.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
I’m not down on TJ’s bat, I think he has big upside there (although he’ll never hit for average). I just see no future for him in SF if he can’t play C. I also think that his trade value will never be higher than after he has his first prolonged hot streak in the lower minors. As he moves up the ladder, his defensive liabilities will weigh more and more on his trade value.
And the Utley comp just doesn’t hold for me. Utley played ugly D, but he was quick, fast, athletic, and had at least average hands so there was a definite upside there. TJ has none of those attributes.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
That strikes me as a bit premature
I just see no future for him in SF if he can’t play C.
TJ probably wouldn’t be big league ready for another 2-3 years. Who knows if maybe he’ll be able to play 1B, or a corner OF spot?
He should repeat Low A next year
I’ve said it before, but I’d pair him with Jeff Arnold, who is supposed to be an excellent defender. I’d send Sanchez to SJ and give him the majority of starts with Burkhart backing him up
Buster Posey>
looking at needs in the org
Joseph could be traded for a SS who can hit, at any level of development. Brandon Crawf; Ryan Cavan; Ehire Ad; Burriss; Schoop are all just suspects as far as being respectable big leaguers ever.
proud, yes I said proud, adoptive papa of "Geno" Eugenio Velez--
more game changing bunts than Buster Posey!
The Hacker love (not specifically you, but on this site in general) just baffles me. You know he’s actually had a pretty similar year to Pucetas overall. They both have FIPs around 5. They both k less than 7 in 9 and walk more than 3. It’s true that Hacker’s ugly 1.45 WHIP is dwarfed by Pucetas’ 1.70, but Pucetas has a much higher BABIP (.360 to .320). But mostly, they’re equally bad; Pucetas is just bad and two years younger.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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True, but
I believe in call up players who deserve it. If you win 16 games, you gotta be doing something right, right?
Edlefsen and Graham are having great years as well. Hinshaw and Velez, not so much.
I believe Sabean should call up players who will best help the team win
While at the same time consider things like service time.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
So what is the comp for Belt?
About a three weeks ago I compared his A and AA to those of teixeira. Both were 22 both were college 1b. Their numbers were surprisingly similar. From what I remember teixeira had a bit more HR but lower BA and OBP.
Tools-wise he seems to off a lot of what Derrick Lee had i his youth—patience, power, contact, and the ability to steal 20 bases coupled with gold glove kind of defense at 1b.
I’d be curious to here what others think about comparable for Belt.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
If Belt dominates the AFL,
he could potentially break camp with the Giants next season.
Torres
Sanchez
Huff
Burrell?
Posey
Sandoval
Belt
Uribe
Looks pretty good.
If Belt dominates the AFL
He shouldn’t be in the 7 hole. Or if he starts theree I doubt he lasts very long there like Posey.
Personally I think he will be a middle of the order hitter by June of next year regardless of who is on the roster.
But the order you got there at least the names on it look like a pretty good start. I am not sure that i want to pay both Burrell and Huff. I’d prefer to choose one of the two and see if he’d take a one year deal with an option. And I’d rather go 1/10 than 3/15 in both cases
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Love that video
Like two little kids. Just great stuff.
Wow
Middle of the order by June is a pretty high expectation…
I would love that too, but that’s a lot for a guy with no ML experience.
I really do hope the Giants promote him this year, though. Giving him the 2009 Posey treatment would be OK with me.
there was a piece on MLBTR
on how Burrell might not command more than $2 million because of his bad defense and preference to play in the NL.
I still think we need another bat especially because Huff, Burrell, Torres and even Posey(sophomore slump) could regress. Because of that I say it’s time to offer up Sanchez for a hitter (Uggla?). I think SS is our greatest need, and Uggla would be better than any available 2B. Sanchez could have enough range to try playing SS. Then we could sign a cheap, maybe incentive deal for a 5th starter. And I also think Belt’s approach could make him a good No. 2 hitter. In that case my lineup would look like this:
Torres
Belt
Posey
Huff
Uggla
Sandoval
Burrell
Sanchez
(i realize that involves some rosterbating that probably won’t happen, but hey I can dream.)
by 8thInningWeirdness on Sep 2, 2010 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
sorry I meant Uggla would be better than any available SS
by 8thInningWeirdness on Sep 2, 2010 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
No.
I have no problem with Franchez for Uggla. I doubt Florida would bite. But you do not just move someone into SS. It is a crucial defensive position. The Giants have not had a decent defensive SS in two years. They need one. Badly.
i understand that
And that’s why I’m even a little hesitant of the idea. But as people have said, this FA SS class is incredibly terrible. Who do you suggest getting?
All of the guys suggested in this thread-fontenot, rohlinger, uribe- they aren’t natural SS either. And I definitely don’t want edgar renteria back.
We also need another bat. Torres, Huff, and Burrell probably won’t be this good next year, we don’t know about sandoval, and posey could go through a bit of a sophomore slump. Adding uggla would give us another dynamic threat.
I understand that moving a 2B to SS shouldn’t be taken lightly, but sanchez has played 3B before and he has a good amount of range. I’m having a hard time thinking of better options. We might need a short-term solution at SS like Sanchez until maybe someone like Crawford is ready to come up and Sanchez leaves as a FA.
by 8thInningWeirdness on Sep 3, 2010 4:37 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
/banned
Does that answer your question?
Killjoy.
Srsly though, belt is showing much more power than your negative comp but Reed is close enough of a comp to temper my enthusiasm ecstasy a bit.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
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Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
True about the power, though Reed played much more pitcher-friendly A leagues than Belt did.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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Will I get banned if I suggest a negative comp?
That’s not my prediction by the way, just a nod towards chastened perspectives.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
by Roger on Sep 2, 2010 8:39 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh you’d never
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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by Roger on Sep 2, 2010 8:36 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
You can’t see it, but I’m giving you a good frowning at, mister.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 2, 2010 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not sure
if I see how Reed is a comp for Belt. I know you were coming up with a negative comp, but Reed’s AAA numbers are pretty mediocre. Belt may prove to be mediocre at AAA, although he’s looked good so far. But Reed’s numbers in his first seasons in A and AA also aren’t close to Belt’s dominant numbers. The only season that comes close is that one in AA where he had an OPS over 1.000.
Sorry, maybe I’m missing something.
by 8thInningWeirdness on Sep 3, 2010 2:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Well first I should say I was just tossing off the first somewhat similar cautionary tale I could think of, rather than building a case. But beyond that there are a couple things you’re missing. Belt is 22 so in looking at a comp you shouldn’t look beyond Reeds age 22 season which was his first full season which he split between the Carolina and Siuthern leagues.
And then the second element you’re missing is the extreme gutters environment of the Cal league. Annually jitters put up dominant numbers in the Cal who then fade into obscurity after moving on while the Carolina is much more neutral and the Sally pitcher friendly. They both put up great obp and slg without tremendous hrs while reeds k/bb was extraordinary.
The other thing connecting them of course is they both had relatively little scouting pedigree prior to their breakouts.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
by Roger on Sep 3, 2010 12:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
John Olerud.
Quietly hoping Brandon Belt develops into John Olerud, circa 1993.
by AndOnTheDrums... on Sep 2, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
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