minor lines, 8/9/10
by steve S on Aug 9, 2010 11:38 PM PDT
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PrintHighlights from the Giants' farm: Kevin Pucetas allowed 1 ER in 6.0 IP, and Chris Dominguez and Juan Perez both homered among three hits each. Also notable, Kelvin Marte made his first start since last May and combined with two relievers for a shutout.
AAA: Fresno defeated Albuquerque 9-1
(after trailing 1-0 through six innings)
Fresno: 3B Jesus Guzman: 2 for 4, HR, 2B, SO
Fresno: C Jackson Williams: 2 for 4, 2 2B
Fresno: 3B Tony Pena: 1 for 1, 2B
Fresno: SP Kevin Pucetas: 6.0 IP, 5 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 4 K--1 HR
Guzman and Williams both had a couple XBHs for the Grizzlies. Guzman had his 16th HR and 14th double. Williams had his 5th and 6th PCL doubles. Pena, the former shortstop converted a year ago to pitching, entered the game in a double switch and doubled in his lone plate appearance.
Pucetas had his most effective start in some time. In his previous nine starts, the only time had allowed less than 2 ER was a start in which he had just 4.2 IP.
AA: Richmond had a scheduled off-day
(Their only other remaining scheduled off-day is next Monday August 16.)
A+: San Jose lost to Lancaster 6-2
San Jose: CF Juan Perez: 3 for 4, HR, 2B
San Jose: SS Ehire Adrianza: 1 for 3, 3B
San Jose: SP Justin Fitzgerald: 6.0 IP, 8 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 0 BB, 3 K--2 HR, 1 WP
Perez had his 10th HR and 34th double as he had half of the Giants' six hits and raised his AVG above .300. Adrianza had his 4th triple, his first XBH in his last ten games.
Fitzgerald allowed 4 ER in for the third time in his last five starts. After an ERA of 2.13 in nine starts before May, his ERA has been over 5.00 in his dozen starts since.
A-: Augusta defeated Asheville 8-0
Augusta: 3B Chris Dominguez: 3 for 4, HR
Augusta: DH Ryan Cavan: 1 for 4, HR
Augusta: SP Kelvin Marte: 3.2 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 3 K--2 WP
Augusta: RP Jeremy Toole: 4.0 IP, 3 H, 6 K--1 HB
While every GreenJacket in the lineup contributed at least one hit, Dominguez led the way with his three hits, raising his AVG to .261. Both he and Cavan had a three-run HR, which were Dominguez's 17th HR and Cavan's 12th HR.
Marte, who had five Sally League last starts to begin the 2009 season, made his first start since being sidelined. He combined with two relievers for a shutout. One of those relievers was Toole, who made just his second relief appearance among sixteen starts this year.
ssA: Salem-Keizer lost to Eugene 3-1
Salem-Keizer: SS John Eshleman: 1 for 3, BB, SO
Salem-Keizer: SP Taylor Rogers: 4.0 IP, 6 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 3 BB, 3 K
Salem-Keizer: RP Andrew Romo: 2.0 IP, 3 K--1 HB
Batting leadoff, Eshleman was the lone Volcano to reach base safely twice. He had one of their four hits (all singles) and one of their five walks.
After Rogers had one of his best starts of the year (1 ER in 6.0 IP), Rogers' tenth start matched his shortest start of the year. Romo struck out three of his seven batters. Rogers and Romo also combined for a 12/0 GO/FO line.
R: Giants defeated Padres 6-5 (8 innings) in game 1
Scottsdale: RF Rafael Rodriguez: 3 for 4, 2B, SO
Scottsdale: CF Chuckie Jones: 1 for 3, 2B, 2 SO
Scottsdale: SP Armando Paniagua: 3.0 IP, 5 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 3 BB, 2 K--1 IBB, 1 HB, 2 WP
Raf-Rod had the rookie Giants' only multi-hit performance, raising his AVG to .292. Jones, who was born in the same month as Raf-Rod, reached base twice but also struck out twice. His hits and walks combined equal his strikeouts (33 H, 14 BB, 47 SO).
Allowing 4+ ER for the third time in eight starts, Paniagua's ERA rose to nearly 5.50.
R: Giants lost to Padres 4-0 (7 innings) in game 2
Scottsdale: C Derek Dibbens: 2 for 2
Scottsdale: SP Andy Altemus: 2.0 IP, 5 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 0 BB, 2 K--1 HR
Scottsdale: RP Heath Hembree: 1.0 IP, 1 H, 3 K
Playing in his seventh pro game, Dibbens singled in both his plate appearances, accounting for two of the rookie Giants' four hits.
Altemus made his first pro start after twelve relief appearances but allowed 4 ER in 2.0 IP. Hembree struck out three of his four batters.
DSL: Giants lost to Mets1 2-1 (7 innings) in game 1
Dominican: SS Shrendell Mujica: 2 for 3, BB, CS
Dominican: SP Joan Gregorio: 6.0 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 3 K
Mujica (age unavailable) reached base three times, but his AVG remains below the Mendoza line. Gregorio (18.6 y.o.) bounced back from his season-high 6 ER in his previous start with a solid start to lower his ERA back to 2.76.
DSL: Giants and Mets1 suspended in 4th inning with score tied 0-0
Dominican: SP Yeini Martinez: 3.0 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 4 K--1 WP
Martinez had a solid start going before the game was suspended, while offensively the Gigantes did not have a hit through the first three innings.
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Tony Pena Jr. Relief pitcher and utility infielder.
Sometimes, there's a man...well, he's the man for his time and place.
A mopup man who is also a +10 defender at short isn’t a bad 25th man to have…
by Grant Brisbee on Aug 10, 2010 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions
How about a closer that is a +eleventy billion defender at C?
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Man, Belt had 0 hits today. Slacker.
Hopefully RafRod can end up having a productive year.
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Still cheering for Kevin Frandsen
John Bowker: One of the 3 best OF's on the Giants roster
Heath Hembree - heir apparent to Brian Wilson?
He’s very raw and wild, but he can already throw his FB 96-97 mph, and has an effective slider (when he can control it). I like what I see of him in this clip from the past college season. He’s tall and lanky, with an athletic body. More experience and time with Tidrow and our other pitching gurus should smooth out his mechanics (the main issue that I see is an inconsistent and unbalanced finish with his landing foot) should help him immensely, but he’s already got all of the ingredients to be a dominating reliever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZd5JV8iCXY&feature=related
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Heir? Conceivably. Apparent? Not overly.
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teach him a cutter.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 10, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Jason Stoffel would like to have a word with you.
Quietly hoping Brandon Belt develops into John Olerud, circa 1993.
by AndOnTheDrums... on Aug 10, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Quickie Note
Wheeler will return to the Augusta rotation this weekend. According to the Chronicle, it should be either Friday or Saturday.
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Who needs to trade for Adam Dunn — we can develop our own version!
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
Can’t be, I remember reading an interview with him right after the draft and he said specifically that Chuckie loves baseball!
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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Do we still like Juan Perez? I haven’t been paying attention to his stat lines, but his numbers don’t look as good right now as they did earlier in the season. He’s struck out 89 times to 25 walks — 0.28 BB/K — and his ISO of .186 is nice, but nowhere near tops for the California League*
*ISO leaders (min. 113 at-bats)
Kyle Russell* 24 SBR A+ 0.338 LAD Dennis Raben* 22 HDS A+ 0.325 SEA Nate Tenbrink* 23 HDS A+ 0.269 SEA Brandon Belt* 22 SJO A+ 0.245 SFG Lee Cruz 27 LNR A+ 0.241 HOU Paul Goldschmidt 22 VIS A+ 0.292 ARI Clay Fuller# 23 RCU A+ 0.248 LAA Johermyn Chavez 21 HDS A+ 0.263 SEA Scott Van Slyke 23 SBR A+ 0.244 LAD Rich Poythress 22 HDS A+ 0.242 SEA
(BELT!)
Perez is 27th by ISO in the Cal League right now. Does his defense hold up as a CF?
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One thing I’ve noticed about Perez’ D is he’s racked up OF assists this year: 15 by my count. Don’t know about his speed/range as a CF. It’s interesting the way SJ has moved Perez and Peguero back and forth interchangably in CF and RF. I’d be interested to know what the final result on the two is — who they think works best where.
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The Giants love his D
The Giants think so much of JCP’s defense in CF that they moved Peguero to RF to accomodate him. I can’t give you any first-hand info, but he’s supposed to have above-average speed, which should translate into above-average range.
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Seems to me that they’ve actually switched back and forth a good deal, as indeed, they’ve switched back and forth between leadoff and third position in the lineup. I’ve inferred that they want to keep their options open in both cases.
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Is there a good site I can read up on ISO?
I see it referenced here all the time but I don’t understand it.
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by Giant Fan in Singapore on Aug 10, 2010 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions
It's an easy concept
ISO = (SLG %) minus (Batting Avg.)
The theory is that you separate the singles that a batter hits from his estra-base hits It’s position-dependent, of course, but anything over about .180 is considered good.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
It’s just extra bases per hit. If you get a single, your ISO is .000; if you get a double, it’s 1.00.
It’s pretty simple. ISO stands for isolated power and it’s a measure of how much “raw” power a player hits for. Since batting average treats every hit as a single, ISO removes batting average entirely from SLG.
ISO = (SLG-BA)
That’s the quickest and easiest way to do it. Though, there are some other methods people use. Generally in the majors the league average ISO is around .150
For example, this year Prince Fielder has an ISO of .221 vs. Aaron Rowand’s .148
Additional links:
http://walksaber.blogspot.com/2009/03/power-factor-v-isolated-power.html
http://saberlibrary.com/offense/iso/
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Nice comparison
I’m guessing those two were random?
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by Giant Torture on Aug 10, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Can I be indulged in an extremely semantical pet peeve of mine, here? I really dislike the use of the term “raw” power in the context of isos, because as a scouting term, raw power describes a player’s capabilities as opposed to their abilities, which are described as “game power”. As for instance, Nate Schierholtz breaks windows two blocks down in BP (raw power), but he’s shown no ability to translate that skill into actual HRs and XBHs in his major league career (game power).
As isos are definitely trying to record something that has happened, as opposed to predicting something that has the capacity to happen, I don’t think the term “raw” power should apply. It’s more like “distilled” power to me.
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In keeping with my high opinion of you, Evan, I’m going to assume that’s a Claude Levi-Strauss allusion and not a Roland Gift allusion.
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Bien sur!
I had to google Roland Gift, in fact — forgot all about him. That’s got to be high up there on the list of Most Inappropriately Pretentious Album Titles.
Yeah, I like my pop bands to be more Save Ferris and less Tears for Fears when it comes to their allusions.
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"it’s a measure of how much "raw" power a player hits for"
It really isn’t, because it’s still dependent on how many hits the batter gets: before you can drive the ball, you have to hit the ball. A true measure of “raw power” is the power factor, which is total bases per hit. ISO would also (like BA and SLG) be a better measure were it calculated per PA rather than per AB.
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Don’t forget to take park factors into consideration. You’ll notice that at least half of the guys on your list play their home games in extreme band-box/launching-pad ballparks, They wouldn’t be putting up anywhere near those numbers playing in SJ. Also, JCP plays the premium defensive position, unlike 80% of the guys on your list – you need to break it down by position for it to be meaningful.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
The league average CAL hitter this year has an ISO in the .148 range.
Park matters, of course, but I think it’s only at the extreme ends of the spectrum — extreme hitters’ park vs. extreme pitchers’ park — that’s going to make things wonky. I’d rather not look at offense by position, instead I’d rather just use a positional adjustment. That seems cleaner to me, IMO.
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Oh, and I’d never use just ISO to look at a player. I’d rather use LWTS or something. ISO is just another tool that helps me answer questions of ‘Who is hitting for more power’.
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LWTF???
Run Stats_4_Dummies.exe, please.
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Linear Weight Total Score? Not sure if TS is total score or not. But I believe this is Tango creation where he assigns values to different batting outcomes based on the run environment. So for 99-02 seasons the equation would be something like this: .5S + .75D + 1T + 1.4HR + .3W – .1 (AB-H) = LWTS
xanthan is this even close or am I using this stat wrong?
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by say hey nation on Aug 10, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
As Michael Scott would say, TMI!
This is just too much to wrap my head around.
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by Giant Fan in Singapore on Aug 10, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
ISO is fine, it just needs to be used in context with other stats really to tell us much.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 10, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Seattle has 4 in the top 10, unfair!
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by Giant Fan in Singapore on Aug 10, 2010 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Band-box park
It happens every year, then they almost always have huge drop-offs when they get promoted.
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Thanks for the explanations Fla, Evan and Computer.
It is simple, pretty lame that it took me all this while to get it.
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by Giant Fan in Singapore on Aug 10, 2010 7:40 AM PDT reply actions
Carlton Salters
An interesting pick up as a converted WR from Arkansas in the AZL. Has only seen limited action in his 2 games, but possibly a project to keep an eye on as a football to baseball convert. He’s old but look for him in the boxscores to see how they use him.
Here’s the link to the in-depth info that gobroks posted a few days back:
http://blogs.nwaonline.com/slophouse/2010/07/salters-bids-adieu-to-hogs-joins-giants-organization/
He’s a really big, well-built guy – with him in RF and Chuckie in CF, I don’t think any team is going to be wanting to get in any brawls with the AZL team this year. I had to chuckle when he got into his first game on Saturday. He went in as a PH and defensive replacement for RafRod in the 8th inning, and just the image of the difference between Salter’s football physique and RafRod’s extreme stringbean physique struck me as funny.
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Shrendell Mujica?
Good to know we have the next Sharlon Schoop or Sundrendy Windster in the pipeline.
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Should have called up Jesus Guzman instead of Burriss. You shouldn’t have to pinch hit for someone you double switched into a game.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
by rxmeister on Aug 10, 2010 8:49 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I wonder if they see Guzman as someone who can help the club as a September callup?
From casually looking at the boxscores, it has seemed that he’s really re-found his hitting mojo in the last couple of months.
Of course, the total mismanagement of the 40 man might make it impossible to add anyone not currently already on the 40 man.
Bowker is hitting .429 so far for Indianapolis.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 10, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
sss of course
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 10, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Give it up already.
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by say hey nation on Aug 10, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
You know that I won’t. Or you should know that I won’t.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 10, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I have a dream
That one day Bowkermania will run wild in a major league ballpark, and I will not relinquish that dream until it happens or he quits baseball.
So optimistic I fart sunshine and rainbows.
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by Giant Torture on Aug 10, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
It may be soon
Bowker goes 3-3, BB, R, 3 RBI, HR. Now hitting .500 for Indianapolis. Oh, maybe it’s not just the PCL Sabean.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 10, 2010 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Are we really getting excited about the numbers a 26 year old (who actually turned 27 a month ago) is posting in AAA, while repeating it, after he had spent most of 2008 in the majors?
Bowker’s K/BB isn’t even good anymore. In 250 PA’s this year, it’s 40/24, and that’s with 4 IBB’s. He could make, but the case for him is much weaker than people are making it sound.
I was promised lasagna.
He has a .286/.345/.498 MLE according to minorleaguesplits, and that’s with a .310 BABIP. Plus he never should have been repeating AAA.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 11, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Rohlinger seems to suddenly be ice cold. I wonder if that’s a product of the up and down with the big club, or if he’s just in a regular slump.
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It’s game time kdl, crack open an ice cold bottle of Rohlinger. The wor’d most refreshing yo-yo.
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It’s a representation of what she’ll look like after 10-15 of those ice brewed piss flavored beers.
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by Giant Torture on Aug 10, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
My Grandfather was an early ad-man
He died in 1982 so he missed the current stupid drunk guy blather, but he was particularly bothered by the ubiquitous dinner-time anti-diarrhea spots. There was really nothing quite like the image of a dude shitting his pants while you were digging into a nice hot bowl of chili .
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If you’re interested in early days of advertising (or contemporary advertising for that matter), you should seek out a BBC documentary series called Century of the Self. It could not possibly be more fascinating. It doesn’t exist in DVD form but I’ve seen it before on BBC America, and I believe you can stream it online.
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A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
Thanks. I will check it out. It has been really fun to watch MadMen. It reminds me of conversations we used to have around the dinner table. I recall one when I was about 11 or 12 about the early FedEX ads “If it absolutely positively has to be there overnight”. I think the gist was that they would guarantee the delivery or it would be free. And I remember asking my grandfather what FedEx planned to do for the poor chap who lost his job because the package was late. He loved it and imagined this follow on: “Don’t worry Mr. Smith, I realize you lost your job, but at least the delivery was free!”
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The fact that the beer is sitting in a fridge usually clues me in that it’s cold. I don’t need the visual cue.
THEY R BLUE!!!
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BUT HOW COLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by say hey nation on Aug 10, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
2nd clue - touching the bottle/can
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Kevin!
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