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minor lines 8/31/10

Highlights from the Giants' farm: Brandon Belt homered while also drawing three walks, Chris Dominguez had four hits including a couple XBHs, and Justin Fitzgerald allowed 0 ER in 7.0 IP.

Star-divide

AAA: Fresno lost to Salt Lake 7-6 (10 innings)

Fresno: DH Jesus Guzman: 2 for 4, 2B, BB
Fresno: RF Brandon Belt: 1 for 2, HR, 3 BB
Fresno: 1B Brett Pill: 3 for 5, SB
Salt Lake: 3B Kevin Frandsen: 2 for 4, 2 2B, HBP
Salt Lake: 1B Mark Trumbo: 1 for 5, HR
Salt Lake: RF Terry Evans: 4 for 4, 3B, 2B, SF

Fresno: SP Henry Sosa: 6.2 IP, 11 H, 5 R, 4 ER, 0 BB, 5 K--1 HR, 1 HB, 1 WP

Belt homered for the second straight game as he reached base four times.  Guzman and Pill both reached base three times.  The Angels' minor league veteran Evans had four hits, including a triple to lead off the 10th inning.  The ex-Giant Frandsen reached base three times, and Trumbo had his fourth HR in his last three games.

Sosa made his eighth start since rejoining the Grizzlies' rotation.  This was his longest start and also his first start without a walk, but the 11 H were a season-high.

AA: Richmond lost to Erie 4-2

Richmond: 3B Brock Bond: 2 for 4, SO, GiDP

Richmond: SP Craig Westcott: 3.1 IP, 8 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 2 BB, 1 K--2 HR

With two singles, Bond was the lone Flying Squirrel to reach base twice.

Westcott matched his shortest start of the year.  Since his promotion to the upper minors, his peripheral stats are 74 H, 24 BB, 9 HR, and 41 K in 60.0 IP.  With a WHIP over 1.60, he has allowed too many baserunners.

A+: San Jose defeated Inland Empire 10-4

San Jose: RF Juan Perez: 3 for 5, 3B
San Jose: 3B Drew Biery: 2 for 4, 2B, SB, E
San Jose: LF Wendell Fairley: 2 for 4, 3B, 2 SB

San Jose: SP Justin Fitzgerald: 7.0 IP, 5 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 4 K
San Jose: RP Danny Otero: 1.0 IP, 5 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 2 K

With three hits, including his 10th triple, Perez raised his AVG to .300.  Two of four other Giants with multi-hit lines were Biery and Fairley, the latter who had his 1st triple this year the night after he had his first HR (now through 375 AB).

Fitzgerald had one of his better starts of the second half.  This was his only start in his last ten starts with allowing an earned run.  Otero, who had allowed only 3 ER previously this year in seventeen relief appearances, nearly doubled his ERA with 3 ER in the 8th inning.

A-: Augusta defeated Lakewood 6-2

Augusta: 3B Chris Dominugez: 4 for 4, 3B, 2B
Augusta: 2B Ryan Cavan: 2 for 4

Augusta: SP Andrew Reichard: 5.1 IP, 3 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 7 K--1 HR, 1 HB
Augusta: RP Jose Valdez: 2.2 IP, 1 H 3 K

With four hits, including his 3rd triple and 29th double, Dominguez improved his season line to .269/.321/.435 through 536 AB.  With a couple singles, Cavan extended his hitting streak to eight games.

The 25-year-old Reichard continues to perform well as a starter.  His peripheral stats in a dozen starts are 71 H, 17 BB, 3 HR, and 79 K in 76.0 IP.  Valdez had 2.2 scoreless IP, including stranding the two runners he inherited from Reichard.

ssA: Salem-Keizer lost to Eugene 4-1

Salem-Keizer: LF Ryan Scoma: 2 for 4, SO

Salem-Keizer: SP Taylor Rogers: 6.0 IP, 6 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 2 BB, 0 K--1 HR
Salem-Keizer: RP Devan Kline: 2.0 IP, 2 K

Scoma had two of the Volcanoes' six hits, raising his AVG to .309.

In his fifteenth start, Rogers allowed a couple earned runs in both the 4th and 6th innings.  Kline added 2.0 perfect IP as the Volcanoes' only reliever to appear.

R: The Giants finished their season yesterday
(losing in the playoff semifinal to the Reds, who lost to the Brewers 10-8 for the league championship today)

DSL: Giants lost to Reds 13-3
(evening the best-of-five series at 1-1)

Dominican: SS Shurendell Mujica: 0 for 0, 5 BB, SB, E
Dominican: LF Leonardo Fuentes: 3 for 4, CS
Dominican: SP Ariel Hernandez: 0.1 IP, 3 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 1 BB, 0 K--1 HB
Dominican: RP Yeini Martinez: 4.2 IP, 4 H, 7 R, 7 ER, 5 BB, 2 K--1 HR

Fuentes (17.9 y.o.) had three of the Gigantes' five hits.  Mujica walked in all five of his plate appearances.  Hernandez (18.6 y.o.), who had a 2.01 ERA this year, retired just one of the four batters he faced.  Martinez (19.9 y.o.) allowed 7 ER in long relief.

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Belt is just ridiculous. Also, I kinda wish Jesus Guzman was gonna take Jose Guillen’s spot for September. Is there any chance the guy will ever be able to field any position adequately and make his way back onto the big league club?

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by sam23 on Sep 1, 2010 1:06 AM PDT reply actions  

in a word,

no.

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by delorean on Sep 1, 2010 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the Giants need to do Guzman a solid and trade him to an AL team in the offseason. They won’t get anything back for him, but they’ll be doing him a favor if he can go to a team that will give him a shot at competing for a DH role in the majors.

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by Fla-Giant on Sep 1, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, they should. Nobody claimed him off waivers before this season though, so I’m not even sure he can find that. Of course, the White Sox did DH Mark Kotsay for most of the year, so I bet someone could use Guzman.

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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 1, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think the term we’re looking for is “bag of balls”. I would bet that the Toronto pipeline is still open after how we gave them such a good deal on the FLew trade.

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by Fla-Giant on Sep 1, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Belt is just ridiculous. Also, I kinda wish Jesus Guzman was gonna take Jose Guillen’s spot for September. Is there any chance the guy will ever be able to field any position adequately and make his way back onto the big league club?

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by sam23 on Sep 1, 2010 1:06 AM PDT reply actions  

He’d be a pretty good defensive DH. Or pinch-hitter. But he can’t hit well enough to be either of those things.

Ain't no Posey like a Buster Posey cause a Buster Posey don't stop...hitting.

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by quincy0191 on Sep 1, 2010 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

deja vu

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by hokysmksbw on Sep 1, 2010 2:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

you can say that again!!!

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by Mordy From Monsey on Sep 1, 2010 3:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Belt is Real..

wait….what ?

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by nvsfg on Sep 1, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Domingerz setting himself up for a promotion? He’ll continue to be too old for the league, but maybe in the Cal League he’ll hit enough to fool us into thinking he’s an actual prospect.

by taliesin on Sep 1, 2010 7:30 AM PDT reply actions  

So, which pitching prospect will we pick up next July when Guillen is finally traded to make room for Belt in RF?

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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Sep 1, 2010 7:47 AM PDT reply actions  

Of course I see your chasm, but just a reminder, Guillen will be a FA at the end of this season. Even BS isn’t in love with old geezer vets enough to offer him arb.

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by Fla-Giant on Sep 1, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Even BS isn’t in love with old geezer vets enough to offer him arb.

Never say never, hopefully Susan will intervene.

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by Giant Torture on Sep 1, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Even BS isn’t in love with old geezer vets enough to offer him arb.

Source ?

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by nvsfg on Sep 1, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

Actually, BS has been very hesitant to offer vets arb in the past few years. If he does anything with Guillen it will most likely be similar to what he did with FSanch or Bengie last year. Which means that he’ll either sign him to a new contract before the December deadline, or let him twist in the wind as a FA all winter then swoop in and sign him to a 1 year contract after he’s been thoroughly humiliated by the lack of suitors.

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by Fla-Giant on Sep 1, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gary Brown

Made his Volcanoes last night with an ofer but he did get the lone RBI.

I’ll see him Friday for the first time.

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by RichH on Sep 1, 2010 8:14 AM PDT reply actions  

Any chance of you posting pictures after Friday’s game?

While you were reading this, Carlos Willoughby just stole second base.

by Lyle on Sep 1, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

You probably know this already, but there’s a ton of pictures of Brown over on Joe Pun’s blogsite.
http://www.azgiants.com

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by Fla-Giant on Sep 1, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

I just love the Volcanes unis, though.

While you were reading this, Carlos Willoughby just stole second base.

by Lyle on Sep 1, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

… or “Volcanoes” – them too.

While you were reading this, Carlos Willoughby just stole second base.

by Lyle on Sep 1, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'll see what I can do

Unfortunately I have a crappy little camera with a 3x zoom so I wouldn’t expect much.

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by RichH on Sep 1, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

He hit a SF in his first AB

That was a quick turnaround for him. He played in the last game in Scottsdale that ended very late in the evening, then must have taken an early flight out to Oregon in the morning. He would have to had at least 3 connecting flights to make it to Salem, or they flew him into Portland on a 1-stop flight and had him picked up in Portland.

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by Fla-Giant on Sep 1, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

They fly into Portland and then the trainer usually picks them up or they take a shuttle van from the airport. Flights into Salem are very expensive.

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by RichH on Sep 1, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I lived in Eugene for 9 years, so I knew he was unlikely to get a flight into Salem. Barring rush-hour traffic in Portland, you can usually scoot down I-5 and be in Salem within an hour of leaving the Portland airport.

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by Fla-Giant on Sep 1, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

yep. depending on traffic

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by cloudydays on Sep 1, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

No non-stops from Phoenix to Portland? How do you figure? Just a quick look at Southwest’s schedule indicuates they have three non-stops flights each day.

by steve S on Sep 1, 2010 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Depends on the schedule. When I’ve flown to Phoenix I’ve had to make connections to get the fiights at the times I wanted.

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by RichH on Sep 2, 2010 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Guzman with a BB

Didn’t Kanye do a song about this?

by GiantPain on Sep 1, 2010 8:18 AM PDT reply actions  

ICWYDT

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by NuschlerFace on Sep 1, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dear Brandon Belt

Quit cheating the game!

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by Giant Torture on Sep 1, 2010 8:35 AM PDT reply actions  

Sabean and Bork don’t like your kind of cheater in the big league’s.

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by Giant Torture on Sep 1, 2010 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Someone needs to remind Mujica that he won’t be able to walk off the island.

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by delorean on Sep 1, 2010 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Neal

was replaced in LF after 3 atbats. Hurt? Caught a plane for SF? Hey, this could be a poll.

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by foothillsfan on Sep 1, 2010 8:45 AM PDT reply actions  

I voted "YES"

Can’t wait for the poll results!

While you were reading this, Carlos Willoughby just stole second base.

by Lyle on Sep 1, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Darren Ford is coming to SF, per K-Law’s twitter feed.

by KCE on Sep 1, 2010 9:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Vroooooooooooooooom

Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.

by Cody_ransom on Sep 1, 2010 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is Torres hurt?

While you were reading this, Carlos Willoughby just stole second base.

by Lyle on Sep 1, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

no, but they could use some CF depth now that the team has admitted that Rowand is horrible…and Ford is on the 40-man roster.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 1, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

They had to get him out of the Northeast so that he won’t be extradited to face trial in NJ.

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by Fla-Giant on Sep 1, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Perhaps he’s testifying in connection with Bonds’ case?

While you were reading this, Carlos Willoughby just stole second base.

by Lyle on Sep 1, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

BTW, just in case somebody didn’t realize it, that was a joke. Ford is almost certain to get off with no more than a fine and a couple hundred hours of community service if even that.

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by Fla-Giant on Sep 1, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

It was a pretty low level offense. Maybe not even a felony, but I don’t remember how much money it was or know the levels in Jersey (it happened in Jersey, right?).

I feel prickishly demanding!

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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 1, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it was Jersey, and I don’t think it was a lot of money, but it was a felony indictment.

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by Fla-Giant on Sep 1, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, interesting. Probably lowest level felony. With no prior record (I think) and good prospects for rehab (I bet baseball players aren’t very likely to be repeat offenders) he should get a low sentence.

I feel prickishly demanding!

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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 1, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

As I wrote, there’s almost no way he doesn’t get probation with some community service. In fact, with his ability to hire a top lawyer, I wouldn’t doubt that he just takes a plea to a misdemeanor rap and pays a fine. The main damage of this whole episode is to his reputation, not whatever the court does to him.

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by Fla-Giant on Sep 1, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

with his ability to hire a top lawyer

Not on a minor-league salary. Ask Garrett Broshius.

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by leftymalo on Sep 1, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he was an 18th round pick in 2004; his signing bonus must be just a distant memory.

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by EliminateMe on Sep 1, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Two things. Ford is on the 40 man roster, something Broshius never was, and those he makes more than every other minor leaguer. Two, he is getting called up so he is making 400+K pro rated to 30/160 G.

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by say hey nation on Sep 1, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fine, I guess

I mean he can’t hit, but he could be a good speed + D guy. IMO he’s a DFA candidate in the offseason

Buster Posey>

by Gobroks on Sep 1, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anyone have a sense of Belt’s defense in the outfield? As much as I love what I’ve heard of his defense at first and would love to see the Giants develop a first baseman, he immediately becomes more valuable if he can play the outfield.

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 1, 2010 9:31 AM PDT reply actions  

he didn’t look great the one game I saw in Sacramento, but most good athletes like him can learn left field. And right.
Good winter project, if this org had a long range program.

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by foothillsfan on Sep 1, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately, that’s a big if. I like the idea of that as a winter program.

So the Giants need to run winter programs for Sandoval and Lincecum to get in shape (somewhat facetious) and for Belt to learn the outfield. That’s cool.

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 1, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

If they resign Huff

why not just keep Huff in LF, where he’s already shown he can play decently, and keep Belt at first?

"I don’t think I’ve ever heard a louder chorus of boos than when the Dodgers made the third out of the ninth. It was awesome.." - Aubrey Huff

by EliminateMe on Sep 1, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Because if Belt can play the outfield, there’s a decent chance he could do so better than Huff. Also because it makes Belt more valuable long-term. A good-hitting first baseman is relatively easy to find compared to a good-hitting left fielder, more so compared to a good-hitting right fielder.

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 1, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you're Brian Sabean...

…a good-hitting first baseman is virtually impossible to find.

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by EliminateMe on Sep 1, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, but a good-hitting anything is virtually impossible to find.

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 1, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hopefully it won’t be his responsibility.

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by bgunn on Sep 1, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not great

I was not impressed with him when I saw him. He was lackadaisical going after balls, didn’t square himself underneath them, and often caught them off to his side instead of getting under them. He also had some problems picking up a ball in the corner in the game I saw.

I think he can get the fundamentals down if he works on it. My suggestion in my scouting report was get roving instructor Darren Lewis for the job.

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by BruteSentiment on Sep 1, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the Belt’s walk totals are ridiculous. Is he facing the same pitching at the rest of the team? Wow. I’m sure the average will be up in a few games. Belt will be a San Francisco Giant soon, which brings up a good question: Huff’s year may mean wants, and will probably get, a two-year deal. I’d love for him to stay, one year, but will he walk if someone drops a two or three-year deal on him? I just don’t think the Giants should give him a multi-year deal, the money would be better spent elsewhere, say Carl Crawford (but I imagine the Yankees will out-bid everyone).

How awesome it is that the Giants are finally building a team that could contend for year’s to come.

by RUSirius on Sep 1, 2010 9:35 AM PDT reply actions  

I’m worried about the Giants overpaying for Huff. I like him a lot, and he’s been a great player for the Giants, but he’s at the age where I worry about his production. If Belt can really play the outfield decently, then I’d stick Belt out there and try to keep Huff for, at most, two years.

I also wonder if we’re being presumptuous thinking Belt will be ready for next year. I think he will be, but I’m not sure we should assume it outright.

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 1, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have to agree

The liklihood that this is Huff’s last really good year in his career is quite high. If I were BS I would only offer Huff a 1 year deal with a 2nd year club buyout option. I don’t want the Giants to have a repeat of the Dave Roberts, Renteria and Randy Winn fiascoes in 2012. Unfortunately, only BS is BS, so Huff is likely to get a 2 year deal with a 3rd year mutual option for a total of > $20M.

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by Fla-Giant on Sep 1, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wish I didn’t agree with you.

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 1, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

the market for Huff will definitely be greater this offseason than it was last offseason. Remember, he signed with the Giants b/c no other teams came calling.

Though there will probably be a glut of 30+ first basemen (Lee, Glaus, Pena, Konerko, Dunn) Huff is the only one who can also play LF and that market is much thinner after Crawford. He’ll have some more leverage with teams looking to use him in a similar role as he’s been used this year.

I wouldn’t want to give him more than 1 year + option, but I could see him getting a 2-year deal with someone and Sabean would do it.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 1, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd go two years for Huff

Even if his performance declines somewhat, he’ll make up for it in entertainment value.

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by EliminateMe on Sep 1, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

What's the issue?

Assuming Huff performs reasonably well, if Belt is the first baseman of the future and there is no OF spot for Huff, surely at that time he would be tradeable for most or all of his salary, if nothing more.

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by owlcroft on Sep 1, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s the thing about making good personnel decisions — they have no downside. If you’re player’s performing well relative to his contract, he has positive value for you whether you want to play him or trade him.

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by Lyle on Sep 2, 2010 6:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Belt

I know they made a significant adjustment to his approach by altering his batting stance, but his numbers are getting so gawdy, it’s more like someone told him it was OK to hold the bat with both hands or have his eyes open while he swung.

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by The Wisdom Cow on Sep 1, 2010 9:39 AM PDT reply actions  

He always had a good eye and plate discipline, and made consistent contact, in college, so those advanced tools were already developed before the Giants got ahold of him (thankfully so, since those are tools that the Giants have been thoroughly unable to teach to almost every single one of their prospects). However, In college his lower-body mechanics left him basically unable to hit for any decent power or to turn on an inside pitch and drive it to RF, so that is the surprising thing that he has developed so quickly this year.

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by Fla-Giant on Sep 1, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wish the Giants would draft the tools they can’t teach more.

I feel prickishly demanding!

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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 1, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

They did it 2 years in a row with Posey and Belt, and we can all see where that got them. Two young, exciting players that have/will forced BS and Boch to shunt gritty, gamery vets to the bench or off the team entirely. I think that we can all see why BS directed John Barr to not repeat the same mistake in this year’s draft.

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by Fla-Giant on Sep 1, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, this year’s draft frustrated me — it seemed to go back to athleticness without seeing if players had good approaches.

I feel prickishly demanding!

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by giantsfansince1981 on Sep 1, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t do too much research on minor league “rankings.” Any idea how common it is for a 5th rounder to be ranked a top ten prospect in less than a year (if memory serves, that’s Belt)?

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by The Wisdom Cow on Sep 1, 2010 9:52 AM PDT reply actions  

qualify that with, coming out of a major college program, so it isn’t like only a handful of scouts actually saw him like some high schoolers or international players.

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by The Wisdom Cow on Sep 1, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Incredibly rare

Hell, it’s highly unlikely for even a first round to be a top 10 ranked prospect after his first year in the minors – even after Posey’s excellent first 500 ABs in the minors he wasn’t in most of the top 10 rankings.

Just to be clear though, I doubt that Belt will be ranked as a top 10 prospect going into next season – even top 25 will be pushing it. There’s just too much bias towards higher draft picks, and 1B is such a non-specialized position where analysts expect prospects to put up monster offensive stats.

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by Fla-Giant on Sep 1, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

My boy

Is pretty good. Also, since it seems Belt might not be a call up, why is he still playing the outfield?

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by scout6 on Sep 1, 2010 10:36 AM PDT reply actions  

The more versatile he is the more valuable he is. only reason i can think of.

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by jasonx on Sep 1, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would assume that they’re grooming him for next year.

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by Fla-Giant on Sep 1, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

...

Cause we have a plethora of 1B blocking him?

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by scout6 on Sep 1, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Speculation that Pablo might have to move.

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by jponry on Sep 1, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brandon Allen

in the D’backs system is another example. Plays primarily as a 1B, but has been shifted into LF about 30% of the time this year. He has a similar career path although he did stay in low minors longer.

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by nvsfg on Sep 1, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Belt is a beast.

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t's Posey time!!

Screw you Flannery.

by sanfrankid on Sep 1, 2010 10:47 AM PDT reply actions  

So other than Ford do we know any other call ups?

Minor Leaguers currently on the 40 man:

P:
Hinshaw
Joaquin
Pucetas
Runzler*
Sosa

IF:
Burriss
Gillaspie
Pill
Rohlinger

OF:
Ford
Peguero
Velez

The Giants don’t fare well against pitchers.

by SF Pete on Sep 1, 2010 11:00 AM PDT reply actions  

Runzler will be activated along with Renteria.

I’m guessing most of those players will stay in AAA for the time being due to the potential of making the playoffs.

I, for one, would like to see Joaquin, Sosa, Pill, and Rohlinger get the call.

I would also like to see Hacker, Guzman, and maybe Willis come up as well.

by TBRMKane on Sep 1, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just say no to Willis!

Chris Ray will probably be activated soon, too. I think he’s eligible to come off the DL on Friday (not sure about the exact date).

In addition to Ford, we will probably see: Rohlinger, Burriss, Velez and maybe Sosa or Joaquin.

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by kdl on Sep 1, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t mind a third catcher added either. Just DFA Velez already!

by TBRMKane on Sep 1, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

People forget

That Sandoval is a catcher.

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Giants Front Office....Torture!

by Giant Torture on Sep 1, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Only emergency now

Pablo will probably never get back in the squat again

by TBRMKane on Sep 1, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Some nice woman handed us her tickets to sit in the Lexus Club...

(Or whatever it is called) on her way out. We sat there for the last 3 innnings. It is a cool perspective. You are literally 10 feet away from the players in the on deck circle. Other than a group of very drunk and obnoxious homophobic douchebags, it was nice. My point is that it was the first time I had seen Panda up close this year. I am not sure he could physically squat even if he had to…

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by capn on Sep 1, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or at least most do.

Which is a great shame.

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by owlcroft on Sep 1, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think they can pretty safely DFA Hinshaw as well…

by capn on Sep 1, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hinshaw actually has some potential

He just needs to learn how to throw strikes, which I think is the whole point of being a pitcher.

by TBRMKane on Sep 1, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is his 3rd Season at AAA

And his BB/9 have gone from 2.3 to 5.5 to 6.5. Methinks he is unlearning.

by capn on Sep 1, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

That’s actually pretty bad haha

by TBRMKane on Sep 1, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is our Hinshaws unlearning?

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by EliminateMe on Sep 1, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

The Giants should use reverse-psychology with him. Tell him to go out and try to throw balls outside the strike zone instead of in it.

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by Fla-Giant on Sep 1, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

“I bet you can’t walk the next 3 hitters!”

"I don’t think I’ve ever heard a louder chorus of boos than when the Dodgers made the third out of the ninth. It was awesome.." - Aubrey Huff

by EliminateMe on Sep 1, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

If I were Alex Hinshaw, I would take that bet

by capn on Sep 1, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Giants also

preferred to keep him at AAA and go without a lefty reliever for a few days, even though they needed one. I don’t think they have any faith in him – seems weird that he would be on the 40 man. I’m fairly certain he would go unclaimed.

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by jponry on Sep 1, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why Guzman?

As far as RH bats off the bench, we already have Rowand and at least one of Guillen/Ross (if the other is starting). As little as I like Rowand and Guillen I would send either one of them to PH before Guzman.

Willis, please no.

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by EliminateMe on Sep 1, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Without a doubt, Velez and Burriss will be up. BS has too much prestige wrapped up in them to admit that they’re fringe players at best. Velez has been picked off of 1B and 2B in the last 2 games while the Grizzlies have been fighting for their playoff lives.

I’ve got to believe that Runzler and Rent will be on the plane to SF today.

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by Fla-Giant on Sep 1, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

When will BS learn that a Velez DFA is OK?

by TBRMKane on Sep 1, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Never!

Which is why he must be fired.

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by Giant Torture on Sep 1, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Runzler is already there.

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by kdl on Sep 1, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Velez, Burriss, & Ford

How many pinch runners does one Jose Guillen need anyway?

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by EliminateMe on Sep 1, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I Imagine one of RyRohl or Burriss will get the call with Bond replacing them

Velez could also get called up with Neal taking his spot in Fresno

Buster Posey>

by Gobroks on Sep 1, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

RafRod

Numerically, he had himself a not bad second half in AZ. His August Splits were pretty nice. In 79AB, he hit .342/.360/.443.

by capn on Sep 1, 2010 11:22 AM PDT reply actions  

is he gonna play any more this year? back to SK, maybe?

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by cloudydays on Sep 1, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

His vaunted advanced approach from 2009 completely disappeared this year.

My Bucardo is better than yours.

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by Roger on Sep 1, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Beast is a Belt

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by Giant among Angels on Sep 1, 2010 1:29 PM PDT reply actions  

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