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The Giants Should Claim Manny Ramirez

Manny Ramirez has been placed on waivers by the Dodgers, and it looks like the only teams that want to claim him are AL squads, particularly the Rays, Rangers, and White Sox. This is likely because of Manny's declining defense, and is totally understandable. But the Giants shouldn't pass up this opportunity to help them now and in the future by claiming Ramirez on waivers. If they do so, essentially two situations are possible:

1. They get him. Ramirez is still a damned good hitter, even if he can't play the outfield anymore. We're already overcrowded, but acquiring Ramirez would make Guillen totally unnecessary and hopefully result in a DFA. However, we shouldn't pursue this option too vigorously, offering only a mediocre prospect or nothing in return for Ramirez, both because we'd probably end up paying his salary and because we don't really need him.

2. They don't get him. As weird as this sounds, this is actually the preferable (and more likely) option. The Giants don't need Ramirez, they probably would have problems paying his salary, and the Dodgers likely want real prospects in return. Plus, they aren't likely to trade him within the division, and I doubt the Giants offer him the extension he wants to waive his NTC. But considering his only suitors are in the AL, it's unlikely that blocking a Ramirez trade would result in a diminishing of the Giants' playoff chances; in fact, keeping him in LA would probably hurt their odds, and only help if they made the World Series.

However, I think there's an argument to be made for blocking a Ramirez trade not to another team, but out of Los Angeles. Ramirez is the best available upgrade, and would be a significant asset to an AL team that could DH him. It therefore stands to reason that the buying team would part with a legitimate prospect or two to acquire him; in other words, a player that could make the Dodgers better in the future. Given that the Giants have to contend with the Dodgers for a playoff spot probably forever, forcing LA to hold on to a player that won't help them now or in the future instead of allowing them to acquire a player (or players) that may help them in the future seems like a pretty good move. And the absolute worst case scenarios aren't that bad; if the Dodgers just let Ramirez go, the Giants have an overqualified, overpaid pinch-hitter, and if he isn't worth any prospects and goes to an AL team for nothing, the Giants would prevent LA from obtaining salary relief.

IMO, the reward outweighs the risk here pretty considerably. It'd be nice to see the Giants make a solid chess move like this, considering it would be done with more than just this season in mind, and show an appreciation for the value of minor league players. Of course, that means they won't.

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by delorean on Aug 26, 2010 11:27 AM PDT reply actions  

I thought about this for the very same reason. Two things make me think it’s a bad idea. One, the salary risk if the Giants get Ramirez either through trade or outright release. Two, it’s kind of a dick move. Even if it’s strategically sound on one level, I’m not sure it’s a good idea to garner a bad reputation.

I feel prickishly demanding!

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by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 26, 2010 11:40 AM PDT reply actions  

But being a dick to your rival is ok.

by Missing Barry on Aug 26, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

The salary would be a problem. And I just remembered that a lot of that money is deferred; anyone know the policy on that? Would we just pay it (because that would be a problem)?

Still, I think the Dodgers wouldn’t just let him go. They’d rather keep him than give him up for nothing IMO.

And we don’t have to say we’re claiming him to prevent LA from getting prospects back. We can just say we want him. Then we don’t really try to get him and claim we think he’s only worth some random minor league filler.

Ain't no Posey like a Buster Posey cause a Buster Posey don't stop...hitting.

Giants baseball: We're stupid enough to do that (TM)

by quincy0191 on Aug 26, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would think deferred salary would be paid by the team he was on when the salary was earned.

by Missing Barry on Aug 26, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

WoManny is owed $4M for the rest of the 2010 season. . .

. . . and there is no way the Giants want to take on that kind of obligation. As to deferred $$, I believe about 75% of womanny’s salary this year is deferred. The Giants would only be responsible for a prorated share of his salary, i.e. the $4M he will earn in September, and would be able to defer about 75% of that amount as per his contract.

The LA Times reported that the Chisox made what the Dodgers considered a lowball offer for womanny at the trade deadline, but that was before the Dodgers signed 1st rounder Zach Lee to a $5M bonus (deferred over 5 years). I don’t think the Dodgers would be able to extract much in the way of prospects, because their cuckolded and highly leveraged owner doesn’t have the cash to pay any of womanny’s September salary.

by betterthanbochy on Aug 26, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Giants wouldn’t say that, but I think people would think it. It may not be that big of a concern (the salary is a bigger concern in my book), but I thought about it.

I feel prickishly demanding!

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by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 26, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

another factor

I think the Giants are probably steering well clear of any known PED users after all the guys who’ve tested positive in the past.

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by Goofus on Aug 27, 2010 6:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Isn’t the waiver period a week? So by the time we have to make a decision on Ramirez, rosters will expand and we won’t necessarily have to cut anyone (though someone might have to be removed from the 40-man), right?

by Missing Barry on Aug 26, 2010 11:53 AM PDT reply actions  

72 hours

Giants should claim Manny to block him going to other teams. They shouldn’t offer anything for him. The Dodgers will not let him go to the Giants.

Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.

by rxmeister on Aug 26, 2010 12:55 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ok, so the week thing is the period to submit a waiver claim, then? When do we find out who claimed him? If we could end up getting him before Sep 1, that just sounds like a dumb risk to me.

by Missing Barry on Aug 26, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Manny can slide in at SS for Uribe…that’s about as likely as the Giants’ making a claim on Manny. Ned would probably let him go to save the $4mil.

by tyrannoman on Aug 26, 2010 3:53 PM PDT reply actions  

I kind of doubt it. Getting rid of $4M would probably help, but a lot of Dodger fans still like Manny. Plus, as I pointed out, he wants an extension to waive his NTC. If you don’t offer it, he’ll block a trade and you don’t have to take him.

Ain't no Posey like a Buster Posey cause a Buster Posey don't stop...hitting.

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by quincy0191 on Aug 27, 2010 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Unless the dodgers release him outright

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by Viliphied on Aug 27, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

LOL Dodgers

Won a couple of games against the Brewers, and are now considering keeping him. They have a really solid plan going for them in LA.

Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.

by rxmeister on Aug 26, 2010 4:17 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Oh agent Ned! How well he executes the plan of not having a plan…

by Missing Barry on Aug 27, 2010 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

He learned from Master Sabes!

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by GovernorStephCurry on Aug 27, 2010 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

CF: Guillen
LF: Burrell
RF: Manny

Make it happen, Saybean!

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by jasomack on Aug 26, 2010 4:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Quincy,

are you crazy?

He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.

by gallo del cielo on Aug 26, 2010 4:42 PM PDT reply actions  

It’s pretty easy to see which people didn’t really read the thread.

That being said, there are serious political issues with bringing on one of the biggest steriod busts after the Bond era.

Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.

by dregarx on Aug 26, 2010 4:55 PM PDT reply actions  

he got caught, he served his sentence, he came back. Don’t think it would be an issue

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by SneakToBetterSeats on Aug 26, 2010 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, technically it’s not a problem. But the media reaction could be pretty harsh. I dunno, it doesn’t much matter to me as I have a policy of ignoring all articles about steriods etc.

Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.

by dregarx on Aug 26, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I posted above before getting to this, but totally agree

Giants management came away from the streroid era pretty tarnished. They’re probably trying to stay squeaky clean now.

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by Goofus on Aug 27, 2010 6:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

I see your point, and Manny is different from Mota in terms of fame and ESPN hyperventilating, but I think they have both served 50 days PED suspensions.

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Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
"Because I don’t know what it means anymore, in the PCL. It’s almost like years ago."
"That’s not to say Buster isn’t fully committed or all-in. He is. He’s smart and he’s got the advance reports. Anybody who said he’s not ready to catch in the big leagues is crazy because he’s a pretty good catcher, especially throwing." - Sabean 7/11/10

by kennv on Aug 27, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Difference:

Manny: Famous
Mota: Who?

Nobody at ESPN cares about Mota because he’s not playing for the Red Sox or the Yankees, AND he’s a reliever. It’s kind of why nobody outside of SF made a stink about Marvin Benard, or why nobody beyond FP Santangelo cares about his sordid history with steroids. Stories that don’t have a middle where the player is one of the greatest are useless to the sensationalizing needs of the media, or people’s opinions.

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by JRPhillips on Aug 27, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

srsly

I’m pretty sure half the people who commented have absolutely no idea that I don’t actually want Ramirez. They all just read the title and assumed the content.

Ain't no Posey like a Buster Posey cause a Buster Posey don't stop...hitting.

Giants baseball: We're stupid enough to do that (TM)

by quincy0191 on Aug 27, 2010 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I read it, but still am against it

I don’t think it’s worth the risk of the Dodgers saying “here you go”

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by Goofus on Aug 27, 2010 6:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think it could be

if Bochy uses him right (LOL HEARD THAT ONE BEFORE). Use him as a bench bat (NOTHING MORE PLEASE) and if, Forest Master willing, we make it to the WS, hey, insta-DH.

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by Viliphied on Aug 27, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

then again

I’m not familiar enough with the team’s financial situation to know if they have the resources to take him on

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by Viliphied on Aug 27, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

and just so we're clear

this is only my opinion if we make a blocking claim, and the dodgers decide to just give him to us for free. I don’t actually want him, just saying that if we ended up with him it wouldn’t be the end of the world

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by Viliphied on Aug 27, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

Ain't no Posey like a Buster Posey cause a Buster Posey don't stop...hitting.

Giants baseball: We're stupid enough to do that (TM)

by quincy0191 on Aug 27, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes they should. Get him 2-3 at bats a game then take him out. Have him start or pinch hit and finish the game. And he can DH in the World Series!!! Brilliant!!! Who cares about the money its fucking Manny he’s a superstar bring him in

Rooting for the new Giants to be Stopgap Heroes.
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
-Jiddu Krishnamurti

by SneakToBetterSeats on Aug 26, 2010 4:56 PM PDT reply actions  

quincy didn’t iterate any of these points.

Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.

by dregarx on Aug 26, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

no but i did thats my opinion

what are you, his mother?

Rooting for the new Giants to be Stopgap Heroes.
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
-Jiddu Krishnamurti

by SneakToBetterSeats on Aug 26, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

You’re rebutting a strawman. If you actually tried to respond to his points, you’d look smarter.

Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.

by dregarx on Aug 26, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not interested in appearing smart

I wasn’t rebutting his post, just giving my opinions on claiming Manny

Rooting for the new Giants to be Stopgap Heroes.
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
-Jiddu Krishnamurti

by SneakToBetterSeats on Aug 26, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let's swoop!!

Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.

by rxmeister on Aug 26, 2010 10:09 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

To be honest, when I read the title I had the same reaction that you had, but after reading the article, it’s not too bad. Not sure if I’d choose yea or nay as an opinion on the decision, I’m meh.

But it’s not crazy bad.

Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.

by dregarx on Aug 26, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's too injury prone

Guy’s been on the DL like…three times this year. No thanks.

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by Mini Hulk on Aug 26, 2010 8:35 PM PDT reply actions  

HEAVENS TO FUCKIN BETSY

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by satyricrash on Aug 26, 2010 9:33 PM PDT reply actions  

if the giants wind up facing manny ramirez in the world series i will count my blessings that we are even there. blocking a might be claim of an AL team is retarded.

by HOLDEMUPGoldenStateOfOppression on Aug 26, 2010 10:17 PM PDT reply actions  

did you read the post?

it’s not about stopping an AL team from getting Manny, it’s about stopping the Dodgers from getting prospects that an AL team would send over to get Manny.

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by Viliphied on Aug 27, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

you fell in love with a girl?

Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!

by Goofus on Aug 27, 2010 6:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

/blank stare

Should I be getting the joke/reference?

I came, I saw, I told bad jokes and left.

by IanRogue on Aug 27, 2010 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

White Stripes' lyric

Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!

by Goofus on Aug 27, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ah.

Never really got into them. I found Seven Nation Army to be a bit of an intriguing earworm on the radio, but never sought out any of their other stuff.

I came, I saw, I told bad jokes and left.

by IanRogue on Aug 27, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

I liked their first few songs, and nothing after that. Don’t like any of his offshoot bands either.

Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.

by rxmeister on Aug 27, 2010 11:56 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Check out the Denial Twist

It’s their best song IMO

Buster Posey>

by Gobroks on Aug 27, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sounds like a lot of work, and I’m pretty tired.

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Aug 26, 2010 11:01 PM PDT reply actions  

TWSS

Buster Posey>

by Gobroks on Aug 27, 2010 12:45 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

tl;dr

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by GovernorStephCurry on Aug 26, 2010 11:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Claim awarded to White Sox

Hopefully he’ll be out of LA by the time we play them again.

Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.

by rxmeister on Aug 27, 2010 11:54 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

no

WHY IS SCOTT GUILLEN

by geef on Aug 28, 2010 9:12 PM PDT reply actions  

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