Giants acquire Cody Ross
The Marlins decided to just let him go on the waiver claim.
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I’m on a beach in Maui, yet I just had to check in with a LOL Giants. Sabean was really afraid to let this guy go the Padres? I’m sure Matt Cain is happy to have the bat tosser as a teammate.
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by rxmeister on Aug 22, 2010 1:54 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Is he an FA, or are we stuck with him for next year?
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by rxmeister on Aug 22, 2010 2:12 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Never mind. One arb year left. I’d be surprised if the Giants decide to keep him.
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by rxmeister on Aug 22, 2010 2:13 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
No, no no!
He clearly said one time, “I am not an idiot”. So there ya have it.
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by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 23, 2010 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I think its a little silly to criticize Sabean for this move.
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blasphemy!
this team is a lot worse now that Cody Ross is on it!
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 22, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
This move is growing one me.
Not so much for this year, but Ross is a plus defender at a corner, with a passable bat (career-wise). He doesn’t bring much to the table this season, but keeping him for next year could prevent another DeRosa/Sanchez/Renteria-eque 2-year mistake.
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I’m not against the move, but would you really want them to bring back Ross as the starting RF? He’s a better player than Rowand but I don’t know if they’ll be able to afford to keep such similar players as the 4th and 5th outfielders.
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Compared to the type of player (and contract) I think Sabean would get to play RF, or starting Rowand/Schierholtz/DeRosa there, I’d rather have Ross.
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by Bhaakon on Aug 22, 2010 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yea, probably. I’d be very much in favor of breaking the bank for Carl Crawford, but thats pretty unlikely. Short of that I’d really like to see a trade for DeJesus because I think his defense, good speed, and ability to get on base well vs. both RHP and LHP makes him a good fit for RF and a spot somewhere in the top of the lineup. But I guess if we can’t have those type of nice things I’d settle for Ross. It sure would be nice to have a lefty bat to platoon him with though, and if Rowand, DeRosa, Torres, and Burrell are all part of next year’s team I don’t really see that happening.
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This.
At first I was scratching my head, but the more I learn about it the more sense it seems to make. He is a low cost guy who can plug a hole and allow the Giants to strengthen another area, like SS for example.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
how do you propose strengthening SS? It looks to me like the best available free agent SS will probably be Juan Uribe.
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I don't even get why SS is the problem.
It’s just one of a number of holes made by departing FAs. LF, RF, SS, 2B, 1B, they’re all potential/continuing disaster areas.
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I propose strengthening SS by getting a superstar COF and paying MLB minimum to a replacement level guy at SS…..
by Missing Barry on Aug 23, 2010 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Dont forget the second part of the plan
Trading a middling prospect for a league average SS in early July, making an impact upgrade (by trade deadline standards) for next to nothing.
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On Friday, Schulman said that
this was probably nothing more than a blocking move. As I said on that day, I wasn’t so sure. The Giants may have actually noticed that Ross hits the Padres better than (I think) anyone else. The team may not go anywhere this year, but they still have a lot of games left with San Diego, and I’d rather have Ross in RF than Nate in those games.
And I wouldn’t be surprised if Ross hangs around next year. He gives them something Nate doesn’t: a good RF glove and a good hitting record against the Giants’ likely post-season competitors (SD, Atlanta, Philly, and the Cards). And he’ll still be a relatively cheap RF starter even after the arb decision, who has played and knows the NL pitchers pretty well.
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The Giants may have actually noticed that Ross hits the Padres better than (I think) anyone else.
I really hope that wasn’t part of Sabean’s rationale for this move.
by RoyaleWithCheese on Aug 22, 2010 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Hope in one hand…..
Sabean’s razor: The most old school rationale (RBI’s, Winz, SSS against opposing team) is probably the rationale Sabean used to determine whether to make a move or not.
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by Giant Torture on Aug 23, 2010 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Blocking moves backfire sometimes. Remember when the Padres got stuck with Randy Myers and his (at the time) horrifying contract? If the waiving team decides they want to be shut of a guy and don’t revoke the revokable waivers then a blocking move gets transformed into a having move.
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I'm guessing they didn't mind ending up with him. He's an upgrade over Rowand.
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I like it
He makes us better if he replaces Nate, and he would have made the padres better if we’d let him get through.
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by GiantPain on Aug 22, 2010 3:50 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Rowand is about the same as Ross really.
Ross can maybe hit 1 extra homerun per month over Rowand…
But that’s not really all that special.
They can both probably have pretty good range on a corner outfield position because they’re both average defensively in CF.
Guillen, Ross and Rowand are all basically the same bleh players.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Aug 22, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Eh, I dunno if I agree with that take. I think Ross is a better hitter than Rowand, and better fielder than Guillen.
by Missing Barry on Aug 22, 2010 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
One extra HR a month is a pretty big deal
It’s not earth-shattering or anything but it’s big enough to be significant. The difference between a 4th outfielder and a passable starter.
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I can agree that Ross is a tiny bit better than Rowand...
But not much at all really. I mean, we’re looking at the difference between a career 100 OPS+ (Rowand) and a career 104 OPS+ (Ross)… And both are pretty similar defensive outfielders at this point in their careers.
Bringing age into the equation.. That would only make me slightly change my stance. Ross is younger and therefore a better bet for the future… But I really honestly don’t want either player “for the future”. I tolerate either of them being a 4th or 5th outfielder for a season or two.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Aug 22, 2010 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Past 3 seasons...
Rowand’s OPS+ is 90… Ross’ OPS+ is 101.
Legitimately better.. However Rowand’s UZR over the past 3 seasons is probably better than Ross’ UZR over the past 3 seasons.
If not.. If their UZR is practically the same, or if Rowand’s is worse.. Then you’re right and I’m wrong. But I’m pretty sure Rowand’s range makes up for some of the value gap between the two, ultimately making it about a wash on who is actually the current better player.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Aug 22, 2010 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d still go with Ross. I don’t think the difference is that big, but it is definitely in Ross’ favor, plus he’s 3 years younger.
by Missing Barry on Aug 22, 2010 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with that.
I prefer Ross too.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Aug 22, 2010 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Except that Rowand isn't going anywhere unless Sabean suddenly understands the concept of cutting one's losses.
Not likely, in my estimation.
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by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 23, 2010 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Disagree, I could see Rowand getting cut next year if he continues to flounder. Sabean might be late in recognizing a sunk cost, but he will recognize it at some point. I think next year is that point. We’ve already reduced Rowand’s PT.
by Missing Barry on Aug 23, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
This is true
The Dave Roberts situation proves that Sabean recognizes that sometimes dead cats just won’t bounce. But it also proves that he will wait well past the point that it becomes obvious that said rebound is not forthcoming. I’ll be surprised if Rowand is cut while he’s got more than one year left on his contract, so I expect him to make it through next season.
Baggs doesn't think they'll cut Rowand; contract too big
He also said team officials have said he won’t ever be a starter again either.
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Absolutely
But I think they still need to figure out whether he’s worth more than nothing as a 4th or 5th OF.
He still has a little bit of value as a defensive replacement and PH against LHP. Keeping him now also gives them a little leverage if they negotiate with Ross for 2011.
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I’m talking about Rowand being cut sometime during the 2011 season.
by Missing Barry on Aug 23, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Cody Ross – better than Jose Guillen.
That said, we really, really like using up as many roster spots as possible on average to below average players who are paid more than the MLB minimum, don’t we…..?
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by iCANwatchMOLINAneverCLEANUPagain on Aug 22, 2010 6:35 PM PDT reply actions
I really like Ross.
In general, and especially if he bumps Guillen off the roster.
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lol please, stick guillen at C
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Aug 23, 2010 2:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I was thinking Nate at 3B was what justified moving him over to SS. Ross at SS would just be atrocious.
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Aug 23, 2010 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Ross is a good player having a down year. I like this move a lot, and I hope he’s starting in right field next year.
by Grant Brisbee on Aug 22, 2010 8:32 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I hope they keep him around too
The consensus seems to be that he’s a likely non-tender guy, but he’ll be affordable at like 6 million or so for one year.
If I was constructing a team of players for 2011 just out of people on the current team or who would be re-signed, it would probably be something like…
Torres CF
Posey C
Sandoval 3B
Huff 1B
Burrell LF
Ross RF
Uribe SS
Fontenot/Sanchez 2B
I think bringing back Huff and Burrell would be a good idea, and Burrell at least can be cheap. I really don’t see anyone better than Uribe on the free agent SS list for this offseason, and I’d like to think that he would want to come back here. Ross is a good, relatively young RF option for next year. DeRosa can be the new swingman, starting at a different position whenever called for.
Of course, that all changes if Sabes somehow manages to woo Werth or Crawford of someone, but I would be cool with that as the opening lineup.
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I’m not sold on Burrell yet. Once the eighth-inning dingerz go away, the defense is pretty hard to overcome. If he comes crazy cheap, sure. Otherwise, I’ll take a chance on DeRosa’s flappy tendons. I don’t want Crawford at 7/$∞.
And SS should be the priority of the offseason. I’d love to know what the Diamondback would want for Drew. Uribe will get a multi-year deal, and I hope it isn’t with the Giants. If it’s a repeat of last year’s offseason, I’ll take him back for a one-year deal.
Something about a loss like today’s lends itself to rosterbatin’….
by Grant Brisbee on Aug 22, 2010 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Depending on the contract...
He’s still a pretty good player. His D is overrated, but he hits .300 with a .good OBP like clockwork.
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I wouldn't mind him for 2 more seasons
But he’s going to retire a Yankee. I think Cot’s should put a * next to his name to denote that.
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by Missing Barry on Aug 23, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I kinda wish we would go after Maicer Izturis.
I’d take Drew too obviously. Hardy might be a low risk guy to go after to as he’s been pretty bad offensively the past 2 years.
I think the Angels really like him though
And iirc, he’s somewhat injury prone
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My assumption was that Burrell would come cheap
Otherwise, don’t sign him. But his numbers with the giants this year match up with his career numbers, and I can’t think of anyone in the org I’d rather have in LF.
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by GiantPain on Aug 23, 2010 5:45 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I can’t think of anyone in the org I’d rather have in LF
Not anymore. :(
by Missing Barry on Aug 23, 2010 6:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Also, how do his numbers with the Giants match up with his career numbers? He’s giving us a 137 OPS+ so far. He’s had exactly one season in his career where he’s hit that well – and that was 2002. I think his numbers on the year, including his time in TB, match up well with his career – 119 wRC+ (121 for his career). Problem is, that makes him a ~+15 hitter, throw in some -10 defense, -7.5 positional, +20 replacement, and you’re looking at a below average player who’s old….
by Missing Barry on Aug 23, 2010 6:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, I was confused
I meant that his numbers THIS SEASON, Rays included, match up fairly well to his career averages.
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I gave you another legit rec
You’re on a roll.
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I’m a little scared that his power has disappeared this year, and he’s definitely going to be a hard-to-watch hacker at times, but he’s a legit defender in center, much less right. He’s like Nate, but with more power, and Bochy will feel comfortable using him in center. Platooning him with Torres is ass-crazy, but a other/Torres/Ross start to an ‘11 outfield is better than what we’ve had in the past.
by Grant Brisbee on Aug 22, 2010 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
A Fred/Torres/Ross outfield would actually be solid, though I'd want more than solid in the outfield if Sabean thinks we're contending
Ugh Fred.
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Fred
I note that after playing him in the outfield for a while, the Jays have shifted Fred Lewis to DH. My immediate hunch has been that they are eager to keep him out of the outfield, after watching numerous instances of the staggers, but I admit that I don’t really know (and have not been either solicitous or malicious enough to try to find out)<
They have been playing him at DH some this month. I wonder why. Maybe he has a nagging injury, they want to give him a rest, or have an OF they want to give PT to? He’s only played it 2 of the last 7 games, and 5 of the last 12 games overall (all in Aug), but he’s also sat out some games this month. He also got a start in CF, so it seems like a really confusing situation just looking at BB-Ref…
by Missing Barry on Aug 23, 2010 6:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Fred has been nursing both a foot and ankle injury since June, which have both affected his range and speed on the basepaths. I’m sure he’ll probably return to 4th OF status after this season, since he seems to be more like Eric Davis than Willie Mays.
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Honestly, what the hell does Fred have to do to lose the 4th OF tag? All he’s done his entire career is go out and play like a guy good enough to legtiimately start in MLB, and people still continue to call him a 4th OF. I don’t get it. Fred Lewis is real by golly starting corner OF. Average to slightly above average D, slightly above average bat, above average baserunner at a COF = starting OF’er.
by Missing Barry on Aug 23, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Eric Davis was one of the best outfielders in baseball for a couple of seasons
Fred is a solid-average player.
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By recing out of wedlock.
Who would buy the cow when you can get the recs for free?
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by EliminateMe on Aug 23, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Just the cost of his salary for the rest of the year which isn’t too bad, I suppose. Makes the deal for Guillen look silly though.
Oh, man. He’s so much better than Guillen.
by Grant Brisbee on Aug 22, 2010 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
this
can guillen please now sit on the bench until the 7th or 8th and ph? thank you.
Points up the pointlessness of it.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 22, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Unless Guillen was also a block
Then the team would have to put a claim in on Ross, who is a better player, in order to justify claiming Guillen.
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Based on what I’ve seen of Guillen since he joined the Giants, especially his bat speed, I think Guillen is a better bet this year than Ross. However, Ross is a better bet over the long haul and is probably in Sabean’s plans for 2011.
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by rxmeister on Aug 23, 2010 1:34 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Kind of disappointed they DFA’d Downs.
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Who would you have DFA’d? I wasn’t the biggest Downs believer, so I’m a little meh about him getting cut.
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I'm also not that dismayed about the Downs' DFA,
but it’s interesting for what it says about their plans for Nate.
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i think this secures a spot next year for fontenot.
but it was probably already secure, with the veteran grit and whatnot.
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I’d dump Burriss before Downs.
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I would too
But it’s not a huge distinction, really.
Downs is, at least in my opinion, likely to clear. I don’t think he’ll be gone.
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i'd dump velez before both
bothers me that downs was kept over frandsen, and now he’s cut loose. also, darren ford is taking up a 40-man spot. i dont think anyone would have taken ford. maybe the blue jays.
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He was guilty
of being too Frandsenesque.
But as far as more DFA-worthy candidates, I would add Hinshaw and Ford to the already suggested Burriss and Velez.
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by EliminateMe on Aug 23, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I bet Downs clears waivers
and the Giants keep him
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Downs was kind of a ‘meh’ player; there are way too many comparable players that can be had for cheap to worry about losing him.
That being said, he will now find a new home in which he will hit .300/.385/.520 over a full season while winning a Gold Glove.
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I like the move. A good defensive corner outfielder is something this team could use compared to what they’ve been running out there, and he is a bounce-back candidate offensively.
Pretty sure Cain will get over the bat toss.
Bummer they DFA’d Downs though, would have rather put gimpy Guillen on the DL
Re: Down vs. Burriss
At least to my lying eyes, Downs made pretty solid contact at the plate. It feels like Burriss never hit a line drive in his life.
Putting fielding aside (and I don’t know whether the difference is all that great fielding wise), I would have rather DFA’d Burriss rather than Downs.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 23, 2010 9:58 AM PDT reply actions
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Although Burriss did hit that home run once... in Cincy
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That’s exactly what I like about Downs. He has a pretty decent glove (From what I saw when he was filling in for Mole) and he is more of a contact guy. I don’t think he has great patience but he looked decent at the plate, taking pitches and again Downs makes contact way more than Burriss, hopefully no one picks him up, I like him.
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I’ve always liked Downs, not that he’s the kind of player that will hurt you if he gets away.
I just think he’s a better hitter than Frandsen was. I also like the idea of having your last guy off the bench be able to throw garbage innings in a blowout.
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Don’t look now, but Frandsen is holding his own over in the AL West in 150 PA’s so far (so SSS, but not small enough that we should toss out his performance altogether)…
by Missing Barry on Aug 23, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
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by Missing Barry on Aug 23, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I like Ross, sorta
There’s, no reason to have both him and Rowand on the same roster. You know, other than if you were unexpectedly awarded a waiver claim to one of them while being locked into an ill-conceived long-term contract with the other.
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Yea because teams will be lining up to give a 27 year old outfielder with a career slash line of .271/.315/.398 who has never played a major league inning in CF a legitimate shot at a starting position. If you’re smart and you’re Nate Schierholtz you begrudgingly accept the assignment to the DL and hope something breaks your way in the offseason to get you a better opportunity.
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Because the Nate Schierholtz bandwagon is waaaay over there.
/points to some place far away from oldjacket
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There is no way it’s in Nate’s best interest to stay in this organization.
by Missing Barry on Aug 23, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey, he’s still getting major league minimum salary for 6 months. I’m not sure he’ll be able to say the same thing about the next three organizations.
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I’d be very confident if I were Nate I could at least earn a spot on the MLB bench making the minimum for some other team. And who knows, maybe they might not treat him like crap…
by Missing Barry on Aug 23, 2010 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions
If I were Nate I’d be quite confident of that as well. But as Roger, I have pretty serious doubts. Every other organization in baseball has somebody as good or better than Nate in their own system that they’ve invested time and money in. Wherever Nate lands he’ll have limited time to open eyes and a lot of folk around here seem to think he can’t perform in limited and sporadic time. I imagine he’ll turn up here and there for awhile, but I wouldn’t be at all surprised in 2010 is the last in which Nate spends a full 162 game season in the majors.
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I just see every team having a need for a guy like Nate on the bench. They might have their own guys in their system, but those guys, for the most part, are guys they’re interested in for the future of the franchise. With Nate, you don’t have to worry about his future – sit him on the bench a couple years, don’t worry that he’s not getting AB’s because you don’t care about his development, and then let him go when you want the roster spot for something better. He has positive value because of his speed (both defensive and on the base paths). That’s the worst case scenario (and pretty equal to his current scenario, I think). Best case, he finds a situtation where he actually gets at bats. That situation isn’t here, so he should move on to see if he can find it elsewhere.
by Missing Barry on Aug 24, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
my best projection ever
They’ll hang around about where they are now, not really in this thing but close enough that Sabean trades for Cody Ross or Javier Lopez or some other nonentity. Team finishes within a few games of .500, reloads with more vets in the off-season, repeat ad infinitum.
by Evan on Jul 5, 2010 12:00 PM EDT reply actions
:-(
Goodness Evan, none of that witchcraft around here!
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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Wow.
Got any stock market tips you’d like to share, Nostradamus?
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by EliminateMe on Aug 23, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Freaky, Evan. But can you use for power for good, instead of for evil?
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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Your username leads me to believe you feel like this quite often, though.
by The Double Deuce on Aug 23, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
God A'mighty, I don't want Downs to go.
I love that guy.
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
Speaking of Morneau
Is anybody getting nervous that the guy may never come back? It’s starting to remind me of Matheny.
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I believe they have to add him. The question is who goes to the DL. If I were Nate, I’d refuse any fake DL stint and force them to designate him for assignment and maybe end up getting a chance in another organization.
Yea because teams will be lining up to give a 27 year old outfielder with a career slash line of .271/.315/.398 who has never played a major league inning in CF a legitimate shot at a starting position. If you’re smart and you’re Nate Schierholtz you begrudgingly accept the assignment to the DL and hope something breaks your way in the offseason to get you a better opportunity.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
Even if they’re not lining up, I would think that someone would give him a shot on their 40 man.
I guess the point is that he hasn’t exactly been given a fair shot in SF for the effort and willingness that he’s shown them. That doesn’t mean that he’ll ever amount to anything, but if it were me I wouldn’t be willing to fake an injury for a team that doesn’t believe in you in the first place.
There should be some Physically Unable to Perform list we could put Rowand on.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 23, 2010 3:58 PM PDT reply actions
Rowand is what Ross will be in 2 years
so I’ll take the younger version. The acquisition of Ross spells the middle of the end of the Rowand era.
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 24, 2010 12:34 PM PDT reply actions
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