The Decline and Summer of Nate Schierholtz
by Grant Brisbee on Aug 18, 2010 10:01 AM PDT
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PrintWhen looking back through the boxscore from the April debacle against the Phillies, I noticed something odd. Maybe it was something that the historians had gotten wrong, like Abner Doubleday inventing baseball, or the moon landing. It just didn’t fit.
I mean, just, wha? Nate Schierholtz played? And he got a hit? An extra-base hit? On a line drive? In a crucial game situation? What kind of politically correct, revisionist history is this?
It happened. That it's hard to remember shows how Schierholtz’s stock has fallen. He was once the right fielder of the future, but the Giants just couldn’t find at-bats for him over the last three years. It would have been hard to sit or trade players like Dave Roberts and Randy Winn when the team was perennially contending, so Schierholtz is still an unknown quantity. Kind of. I mean, it sure seems like the book is written on him. It has a forward, a prologue, twenty chapters or so, and the dust jacket is signed by the author, a fellow by the name of Slowroller Tosecond. Other than Aaron Rowand against a right-hander with a wicked slider, I’m not sure if I have less confidence in any other Giants hitter right now.
Is that fair? Probably not.
It seems a little disingenuous to have been on the "Bowker needs moar at-bats! Small sample size!" train while jumping off the same train at a different stop. After the aforementioned game against the Phillies, in which he went 5-for-5, Schierholtz was hitting .375/.444/.563. It was an unmistakably BABIP-influenced stretch -- there were several infield hits and grounders with eyes mixed in -- but it was still pretty exciting. Schierholtz is a fantastic defender, so it wouldn’t take a crazy amount of offense for him to be a solid corner outfielder or an overqualified fourth outfielder. He peaked on May 6th against the Marlins, going 3-for-4 to end the day at .381/.458/.587.
Then he slumped. He also injured his shoulder. Or something. It was never serious enough to go on the DL -- the Giants like to have a priest give some last rites before they can be sure that they’re using the DL effectively -- but it was serious enough to affect his hitting. Maybe. It reads like a good theory. Whatever happened, Schierholtz went 8-for-52 over his next 19 games, and he was banished. Is banished too strong of a word? In May, he was the starting right fielder. In June, he started twice. He started eight times in July, so things picked up a little for him. Since he lost his job, though, he’s hit .188/.250/.313 in 80 at-bats over the last two months.
The weird thing is that there are some good signs to go along with the bad. His walk rate is up by a fair amount, and his strikeout rate is down. His line-drive percentage is right around the league average, and his .268 BABIP hints that he might not be benefiting from the dinks and dunks that hitters normally get over the course of a season to buoy their average. He’s a career .325/.362/.569 hitter in AAA, and while it’s just a little ridiculous to think he’ll match anything close to that, how thrilled would we be for him just to match his AA season of .270/.325/.443 in 2006? With his defense, that’d be a pretty nice player to have. It seems like that’s a pretty unrealistic peak now.
So this is a community confidence check on Nate Schierholtz. Every player slumps, and every player looks like something less than a major leaguer when they’re doing it. But players who are less than a major leaguer look like something less than a major leaguer when they’re just being themselves. Over the last 130 at-bats, Schierholtz has hit like Jonathan Sanchez, and that’s not really hyperbole. Did the lack of playing time coincide with a decline, or was it the other way around? Is he unlucky, or is he hitting the ball so weakly that his BABIP isn’t as meaningful? How is it possible that a team as wretched as the Giants were in 2007 and 2008 didn’t find a way to get him at-bats?
I don’t have any confidence that he’ll figure it out on the Giants, nor do I think the Giants will give him the chance. He’s still a player with some intriguing skills, though. A team like the Royals or A’s would do well to trade some toenail clippings for him and hope he can be, at the very least, a fourth outfielder with a hint of something more.
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Do not deny the moon landing, Grant
I don’t want to hate you.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 18, 2010 10:04 AM PDT reply actions
Also
I think the shoulder thing was bullshit. They wanted him on the bench and it was a convenient enough excuse.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 18, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree with both of these comments. The moon landing happened. Shierholtz shoulder was probably fine, all things considered.
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by Prussian Creole on Aug 18, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
So the shoulder landing was faked?
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
If you watch slo-mo reruns several thousand times without stopping, eventually you'll see that Paul is the walrus.
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by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
wait. I mean Paul is dead, and John is the walrus
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by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
DAMMIT! I'm just not sure!
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by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
It was a shoulder studio in San Bernadino county.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 18, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought it was in Idaho?
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by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
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by howtheyscored on Aug 18, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
THE SHOULDER’S SHADOWS ARE ALL WRONG
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
No!
The Shoulder landing is how Fred Sanchez got injured last year.
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This is indubitable:
I, and at least several other people who post here, clearly saw him standing on first rubbing his shoulder in obvious discomfort not many games ago (and almost no games ago at all in Schierholtz years) right after successfully singling.
I don’t even recall if it was the same shoulder (it was his right) as is supposed to have been hurt, but it was manifestly in some real discomfort just then.
I feel that given regular play time (and health), he would have decent or better offense numbers—not outstanding, but decent—and that that, combined with his defense, would make him an acceptable right fielder or fourth outfielder (noting in passing that to me “fourth outfielder” gets about as much playtime as the first three).
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by Josh from Hollywood on Aug 18, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
what?
LaRoche was on waivers? Oh man, that would have been so much better than Jose stupid Guillen.
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Fuck that guy
yes, better than Guillen, but you dont want to play here, neither do I.
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by Giant Voodoo on Aug 18, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Wait really
Because we should actually target him, like, no joke.
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Not like he has a choice if traded
I would love a lineup like
Torres CF
Posey C
Huff RF
Burrell LF
LaRoche 1B
Uribe SS
Sandoval 3B
Freddy/Fonty 2B
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CLANK
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How is that any more clank than what we have right now?
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You mean the lineups we ARE using, or the lineups we should be using?
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both
ok, so if you believe in the Ish/Rowand platoon, it’s slightly more clank, but more than enough offensive improvement to make up for it
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I just don’t see how a team that relies on its fly-ball pitching staff to survive can do so with Burrell and Huff in the corners.
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Because they provide enough offense to offset their defense
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How so? How is Adam LaRoche’s 833 career OPS offsetting anything? Is this based on his second-half surges?
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on offense is ~2.5 wins better than Ish over a full season.
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that means
he’s likely to be close to a full win better with the bat over the remainder
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But thats over Ishi. Now we have Guillen!
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by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I can see what you mean. I just don’t want two water buffaloes in the OF. I’d prefer to just go with Nate/Rowand.
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but if the alternative is Guillen….
Thing A
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Any reasonable person is anti-Guillen.
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Yeah, because he looks terrible so far, doesn’t he? You’d have to be blind to not notice how quick his bat is. As for LaRoche, why not still get him? He has an option for next year and none of these other guys do.
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by rxmeister on Aug 18, 2010 12:16 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
It's a mutual option ...
which is basically worthless to the acquiring team. (It also increases from 7.5M to 9.5M if traded.)
It’s just another way to provide LaRoche with 1.5M in deferred payments – the option buyout amount. If not negotiated out or prorated in the trade negotiation, I assume that the acquiring team is fully responsible for that payment too.
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but think of the offense!
It will be GOOD! not just league average, but GOOD!
Nate is bad at offense. Sucks to say, but truth. Rowand is kinda passable for a CF, but man, having a top 5 with a wRC+ over 110? YES PLEASE.
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and anyways,
I was talking about Burrell and Huff. Burrell is bad, but not cover your eyes and pray for the ball to go somewhere else bad, and even with terrible defensive numbers he’s been a good enough hitter to grade out as average/above average overall. Ditto with Huff.
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Is this based on visual observation?
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somewhat
but mostly based off career UZR
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Burrell’s career UZR is definitely “cover your eyes” territory! It’s only as high as -7.6 (which is pretty crappy in itself) because of some non-awful play during the early part of his career.
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I really think you’re overvaluing how accurate UZR is. What happened between ‘05 and ’06? Did he suddenly just lose a full win’s worth of true talent? I’ll take the larger carer sample any day, regressed slightly for aging. Let’s call him -10. That’s bad. But he’s still a good enough offensive player to be average – above average overall. Which is better than what you’re going to get with Nate/Rowand
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Did he suddenly just lose a full win’s worth of true talent?
Why not? His hitting has seen just as many peaks and valleys.
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well yeah
but, obviously, his hitting true talent didn’t drop. So maybe that was a 3 season long “valley” (not unheard of with UZR). When given the option, ALWAYS take the larger sample unless you have a very good reason not to.
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lol @ Nate thread where Nate is completely left out of conversation about potential lineups
Thing A
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he's really
about tied with Guillen as far as overall goodness =/
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hawt!
Mark DeRosa is playing exactly the same amount of professional baseball as his adopted father, these days.
-1.6 isn't horrendous
Just a bit below average.
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Probably something like this
He’s worth pursuing, absolutely.
Unfortunately, I don’t think we will since we already “got someone”.
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and not even really below average
it’s goddamn UZR. A full season is too small of a sample to tell you a guy’s true fielding talent. Over 6 full seasons, he’s about -3/150. So, slightly below average.
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basically the way I see it
trying to use UZR as a precise value is folly. It’s just not that accurate, unless you actually believe that a fielder’s ability fluctuates wildly season to season.
You should really look at the sum total of a player’s career, and use that to make a judgement along the lines of “clank – bad – below avg. – avg. – above avg – good – gg (if that award was given on merit)”
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lol
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another thing to remember
UZR is based on league average, not replacement level, so a slight negative, even over a large sample size, isn’t necessarily a bad thing
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I know people here knock homers as a stat
but I think there is a legitimate case to be made that having potential homerun hitters in your lineup makes the opposing pitcher work harder.
I remember hearing an interview with an all-star pitcher who talk about the difference in pitching the AL v. NL…he said that the big difference in the bottom of the lineup…in the NL…the lack of a DH weakens the lineup and allows a pitcher to relax with the 7, 8, 9 hitters. Even if they get a hit, it will likely be a single and you can always get the next batter.
In the AL, there is maybe one or two batters that are “weak” but pitchers can’t relax. Just about every batter can take you deep.
Having HR hitters in the lineup makes the other team’s pitchers work harder…this was one of the reason why I thought the Guillen trade was not all that bad…yes he has sucked but he still has pop…if he can maintain his power…Giants will have homer threats 1-7…
HRs are a correlation in this case not a causation
What really makes a pitcher ‘work harder’ is taking pitches and walks, which are things that most home run hitters do, but which Guillen does not.
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yes! this!
also, no one knocks homers as a stat. what some people, myself included, knock is getting enamored of DINGERZ and RBIZ and not looking at hitters in a holistic way (ie their OBP).
In the case of Sabean and the Giants, it’s basically overvaluing HR at the expense of OBP
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THIS!
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by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
It works both ways
I look at OBP. I’m sure the Giants do as well. I “get” that people here feel that HR’s and RBI’s are greatly overvalued by the Giants brass. Maybe you are correct. But I don’t get what I perceive (perhaps incorrectly) as the “HR” “RBI’s” and runs scored don’t matter mantra that many on the board seem to espouse.
All the stats – new and old are tools. As are what scouts see with their eyes.
A home run is the best possible outcome of any bat. I don’t think anyone here “knocks” homers as a stat. All RBIs tell you is how many runners a hitter knocked in. IN a vacuum, that doesn’t really tell you much at all about how good a hitter a guy is.
I am convinced that Sabean overvalues AVG and undervalues OBP. I base this on the kind of hitters he brings in, year after year. You might disagree, and well, then we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
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I think the discussion of “productive outs” sometimes plays into this. If two hitters have the same OBP, one average driven, the other a more three true outcomes sort of OBP, it is probably true that the average based hitter will move more runners over. It is also true that the average based guy will make more outs (productive or not) when he slumps.
I suspect Sabean wants guys who put the ball in play as a way of maximizing a weak offense. I also think that’s part of the reason the Giants lead the league in GIDPs.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
I suspect Sabean wants guys who put the ball in play as a way of maximizing a weak offense.
Wait, why not just improve the offense?
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I think that's been disproven?
I’m not 100% sure and I don’t have time to look up the articles, but I remember some stuff from Tango saying that, basically, an out’s an out. A K is just about equivalent to any other kind of out. I’m prepared to be proven wrong on this point.
Re. AVG driven vs OBP driven, I don’t know that one’s any more valuable than the other, but i suspect that, in general, the OBP-driven hitter will age better. (Neither here not there, really, just something I’m tossing out.)
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I was proposing that from my guess at a Giants FO perspective. I agree that most of the time, and out is an out. There is such a thing as moving a runner over, though, and I do think a guy who’s better at putting the ball in play will be better at getting that result. Of course, I also think there’s a difference between a hitter with good bat control who doesn’t let himself strike out and a guy who just hacks at everything.
Since we’re just tossing things out, one thing I’ve always been…not confused by because I know how it works, but perhaps bemused at the fact that Ks are an extremely valuable out for a pitcher, but negligible in regards to a hitter.
I know it has everything to do with Ks for a pitcher correlating with better stuff (talent, movement, whatever) and Ks for a hitter (above a certain skill level, obviously) usually correlating with better power numbers, but still, it always struck me as an interesting difference; how the same event on the ballfield is taken completely differently depending on which side of the ball you’re on.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Ahh! Then I think we agree
And I certainly agree with you re. the disconnect b/t the relative value of a K on offense and defense. I can’t quite wrap my tiny brain around that.
Anyhoo!
I suspect you’re right about Sabes’ logic. Freddy Sanchez was probably his white whale (AVG! Batting title! All star! BAT CONTROL!).
Sheesh.
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I don’t think anyone thinks HRs don’t matter.
RBIs, though. That really is more of a team stat, since they are so influenced by batting order and the OBP of the three guys hitting in front of you.
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WHY ONLY THREE!?!
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by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
well, not only those three, but it does diminish in importance the farther away you get.
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Maybe true...
Just relaying what I heard…
While I agree with the pitch taking/walks issue…it can be frustrating but as a pitcher you wouldn’t be afraid to pitch over the plate. Pitchers tend to nibble more with power hitters.
Mark Reynolds anyone?
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He's an extreme (also plays on a bad team)
Not saying that it’s the most important issue but just something to think about…
Adam Dunn is probably a good example of this…Likely to homer once, SO, and pop it up.
This isn’t aimed at you jd, but every stat (save W/L) is useful! It just how you use that is the problem.
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by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
even W/L is technically kind of useful
if you have absolutely nothing else to go by. Same with BA/RBI/etc. The problem is that now we just have so many better options.
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I don’t see why any opposing pitcher should throw the 6-7-8 hitters of the Giants anything other than breaking balls and changeups. They are a goofy, flailing bunch. There’s no need to even throw them strikes, really.
by Every6thDay on Aug 18, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
You think they would trade Guillen for him?
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He needs regular ABs to get comfortable. He’s never gotten ’em. We really have no idea what his real ability level is.
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I think that not playing is a good way to develop as a player.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Agree
And we never will. Grant is right – we will only know if Nate is a quality ml player when and if he goes elsewhere. The brass has determined he’s a 5th outfielder at best.
My guess is he’s gone next year.
To be replaced by our new 5th outfielder, Thomas Neal, who will see most of his playing time as a pinch-runner and late-inning defensive replacement for Manny Ramirez (signed for a mere $40M over 3 years).
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This joke has already been made and immaturely ridiculed by me.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
OK
/throw self out of Matt Stairs
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
/Stairs goes on 60 day DL with severe rectal strain.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
This is delorean we are talking about. It won’t be that severe.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 18, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Nate is the Defensive version of an offensive Bowker, AAAA and he rarely drives the ball.
Its not easy being a giants fan
We’ll have an awesome player when we learn how to combine the two of them.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 18, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
FIFY
We’ll have an awesome PLAYA when we learn how to combine the two of them.
/swoon
"Reynolds struck out as many times as I did in high school, and I’m not talking about baseball." - Duane Kuiper.
by MonochromeGarden on Aug 18, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Meh.
I’ve never been that big on Nate. I wouldn’t be upset if he went somewhere else, or just sat on the bench, or even babysat the other player’s kids. Whatev.
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I’ve never been that big on him either, but I think he’s yet another young guy who hasn’t gotten an adequate amount of playing time to be properly evaluated.
So I guess I’m more on his side than Sabes.
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
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by Prussian Creole on Aug 18, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
you know
I know we were all LOLNATE last season, but he got about half a season’s worth of PA.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
he's had
almost a full season’s worth in ’09 and ’10, and the results have been…not good.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
But nothing continuous. I want to see the guy get 80-100 pa’s in a a row or else I can’t really make up my mind.
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
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by Prussian Creole on Aug 18, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Just so.
The importance of regular playtime can scarcely be overstated. The players have a saying: miss one day and you know it; miss two days and your teammates know it; miss three days and the fans know it. Think on it.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Same here.
Great defense, good speed, not much else. He’s had over 700 plate appearances to prove otherwise.
Completely unrelated but was surprising to see, that is more than Velez has gotten… which is in no way an endorsement for Velez getting more playing time.
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis who is stuck in the baseball purgatory called extended spring training.
But he hasn't had sustained at bats
Same issue we had with Bowker. I agree that he has been lost for 2/3 of the season at the plate. I also agree that he doesn’t drive the ball often. But I think it is extremely difficult to perform as a young major league player when you know that is you go 0-8 in back to back games you are banished.
I’ve never really been a big fan. I just wish the Giants would block him with someone who’s really good.
Mark DeRosa is playing exactly the same amount of professional baseball as his adopted father, these days.
Carl Crawford?
Overplayed memes:
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2002 WS CANCELED
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by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Man
he would make a great outfield. Burrell, Crawford, Torres with Rowand either traded or used at RF and CF to give off time to Torres and Burrell.
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by Giant Voodoo on Aug 18, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Luke Scott, David Dejesus, Josh Willingham.
Mark DeRosa is playing exactly the same amount of professional baseball as his adopted father, these days.
Josh Willingham is having season-ending knee surgery next week, so he’ll be a perfect fit for the Giants next year.
Franchez sez
you can deposit checks from home!
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by Giant Voodoo on Aug 18, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd still target him in the offseason
DeJesus too. I really think 2011 is gonna be our year.
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this
I’d go crazy if we were in on Crawford but I don’t think thats very realistic. Either DeJesus or Willingham taking Guillen’s current roster spot with most of the rest of the gang all coming back would make me very happy.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
Next year
Don’t speak too soon, I can just see Sabes making a deal for him to “help them down the stretch drive” and also giving up Zach Wheeler to get him.
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by Giant Torture on Aug 18, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Only if he’s permanently diminished.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh, hell.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 18, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Nate knew...
After the aforementioned game against the Phillies, in which he went 5-for-5, Schierholtz was hitting .375/.444/.563.
I’ve told this story before, but it’s more interesting now. I went to a Nate autograph signing the day after this game, and my mom said to him, “You’re having a great season.” His response? “Well, the season just started.”
Prescient, that one.
In his defense, I’ll say I’ve always been a fan of his because of his speed, defense and hustle. But, yeah, he’s never going to do anything on this team.
Adopted Giant: Ryan Rohlinger (on loan from Shanghaijim).
Buster Posey: He knows the rules!
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kdl has no idea how the six-pack got there
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"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
So who is naked in this scenario?
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
kdl's mom with a six-pack in her hand?
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- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Burrell
He’s the naked one in every scenario.
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis who is stuck in the baseball purgatory called extended spring training.
IAWTC 100%
which makes me oh so sad.
"Reynolds struck out as many times as I did in high school, and I’m not talking about baseball." - Duane Kuiper.
by MonochromeGarden on Aug 18, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Slight OT: 430+ comments in the post-game thread
So that is what this blog is like when the Giants are not incredible…
If by that you mean “tolerable” then I agree.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 18, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
The Giants haven’t been awesome in a few weeks. There are still 1000+ threads. Pika just took a day off.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 18, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
You forgot
All of the Sabean and Bochy bashing, those three combined really wore me out. I’m only used to bashing those two while sprinkling in a little Rowand/Franchez/[Giants Pitcher]
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by Giant Torture on Aug 18, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I knew there was a reason I was tired
But bashing Sabean for Bowker has become like breathing. Especially after seeing Bowker’s xBABIP, he was more the victim of bad luck this year than anything.
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by Giant Torture on Aug 18, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
STOP USING THE VOODOO OF BAD LUCK TO EXCUSE A PLAYER’S PERFORMANCE, please.
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by can of corn on Aug 18, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
/drops salt shaker. throws a pinch over left shoulder to ward off evil.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Uhh
BABIP really isn’t voodoo at this point. They’ve done a lot of studies on this stuff.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
The way it seems to be used of late is as useful and instructive as voodoo.
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by can of corn on Aug 18, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
People misusing a stat has no bearing on its usefulness or validity.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
Sure it does.
Misused stats have a direct bearing on their usefulness.
Anything misused ceases to be useful.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 18, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
oh man...
I don’t think this is true in all instances. Particularly when it comes to interpersonal… contact…
Just because you use a hammer to comb your hair doesn’t mean it’s not still good at pounding nails.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
I agree this is kind of a case where it’s being abused. Bowker was more a victim of no playing time and, thus, SSS, than anything else this year. BABIP does weird things in 80 at bats no matter what kind of luck you’re getting.
It’s not voodoo. It’s misuse.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 18, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I know. I can see the value of BABIP as a supplementary stat. But it seems that it’s being thrown around as a stand-alone stat for a variety of reasons, typically to demonstrate bad luck or the like. My understanding of it (limited as it may be) indicates that it should be used as a long-term, comparative stat, not a stand-alone “bad luck” explanation stat.
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by can of corn on Aug 18, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I can agree with that.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 18, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
The danger of any system of thought becoming mainstream, is that mainstream users will simplify and then abuse it. Sabermetrics can be specialized and accurate, or widespread and often misused. I don’t think it can bridge that gap.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
And those who oppose it will never understand that the pro-SABR community also heavily rely’s on scouting.
I had this argument with my brother in-law while I saying that I Oswalt is good probably rank him 30-40 out of the MLB pitchers. He was all BUT YOU LIKE THESE ADVANCE STATS HE IS TOP 30 BY WAR BLAH BLAH BLAH
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EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I wasn't talking about BABIP
I was referring to xBABIP and taken over the larger sample size of Bowker’s roughly 400 PA’s, it’s apparent that he was the victim of some bad luck that would have likely evened out over time. That being said, I think that a SSS is precisely one of the places where BABIP or xBABIP is useful because it helps to see how much was luck and how much was real.
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by Giant Torture on Aug 18, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Bowker’s BABIP followed by xBABIP for the season and his career
Bowker .241/.332 – Career – .280/.316
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by Giant Torture on Aug 18, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I imagine part of that had to do with the game being in the early evening rather than the normal time for us.
People might not have any reason to come to the site at night and post. After west coast night games, they’re already on the site after the game with not much else to do but post.
I’m already here after a night game. When the game is a already played, I tend to find something else to do.
Mark DeRosa is playing exactly the same amount of professional baseball as his adopted father, these days.
Apparently, everyone was at a party.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 18, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
MCC SUCKS READ MY BLOG!
Joe Mauer is from Minnesota. My adopted son, RHP Steve Edlefsen, is from Minnesota. Joe Mauer is very good at baseball. Call up Steve Edlefsen, Giants! Science™ is begging you.
I'm a big Nate fan
I want him to get starts vs righties. Or anyone, really.
A Rowand/Nate platoon would be cool.
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lol, better than Guillen.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
Nate actually has a reverse split
Probably because a LHP can’t throw a slider at his back foot.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 18, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Is that true in the minors too?
Sad to say, his entire MLB career is probably SSS.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
ML is to AAA as Finding a Job is to ...?
… receiving a college degree.
Coming out of college I figured, “I’m this bright, young, shiny new employee. What insurance company WOULDN’T want an actuarial student like me”? Then I started applying for jobs on Monster. Then I started hitting up family members for insurance industry contacts. THEN I made a cardboard sign (Will analyze your insurance premiums and losses for food) and sat in the middle of Time Square waiting for the magic to happen.
Unfortunately, it is a life consequence that ability and opportunity aren’t more positively correlated. Alas, this is the fate of Nate, Bowker-mania, FLew, etc., etc. You know who DOESN’T belong in this group though? Pablo Sandoval. Why? Because Pablo hit like Lou Gherig for 2 months when he was called up.
So sure, I’ll throw a little dirt on Nate even though I secretly want him to spring forth from his casket as if he’s only been pretending to be untalented. What I REALLY want though is for the next Giants prospect (I’m looking at YOU Belt) to hit like Pablo when he comes up for his cup of coffee. If Pablo is slated to play the part of a slightly less talented Matt Williams then I dream of Belt playing like a slightly more talented Will Clark. Only THEN will man again walk on the moon (allegedly). Only THEN will my universe return to balance.
Goes back to my theory that good MLB players are good pretty fast
You may get a good story ever once in awhile but true talent gets to the MLB pretty quickly…
The problem is, when a Giants prospect gets to the majors they don’t give them regular playing time. Take Kevin Frandsen for instance. He OPS’d .920 as a 23 year old in AAA in 2005 (in a small number of games). in 2006 he was given all of 13 starts at the major league level to establish himself before being relegated to a reserve role and then bounced back and forth between the majors and the minors.
Compare that to how the Red Sox treated Dustin Pedroia. Pedroia OPS’d .810 during his 2nd stint in AAA as a 22 year old in 2006. Pedroia was called up at the end of that year and struggled. In 2007 he was given the 2nd base job where he proceeded to hit .182/.308/.236 for the first month of the season. The Red Sox stuck with him and the rest is history.
The Giants don’t fare well against pitchers.
Exactly!
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes. Yes to all of this.
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
by Prussian Creole on Aug 18, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
This
I was so worried that Posey would immediately slump when called up this year. With the way they treated him in September I did not want to think what would happen if he showed up and went 4 for 40.
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Nate
I think Nate is a valuable asset to this team as a pinch hitter and a late-inning defensive replacement. I don’t see anything wrong with that.
Fixed
I think Nate is a valuable asset to this team as a pinchhitterrunner and a late-inning defensive replacement
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by Giant Torture on Aug 18, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I can’t find the numbers (cuz I don’t really know where to look), but I’m pretty sure Nate has really solid stats as a pinch hitter.
by GrooveGiant on Aug 18, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
This year: 7-for-22 with 4 walks and 1 HR (.923 OPS) as a PH.
Career .829 OPS in 75 total PH PAs.
"I don’t think I’ve ever heard a louder chorus of boos than when the Dodgers made the third out of the ninth. It was awesome.." - Aubrey Huff
by EliminateMe on Aug 18, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
As long as he isn't PR for Buster.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
I am sure that Bochy is still questioning himself about letting Buster run the bases once he got to 2B against the Padres.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
So tired
I just can’t get excited any more about Nate. The fact is, Bochy will never play him. Sabean could construct a roster with only two other OFs and Nate still wouldn’t play. He’d put a versatile, veteran that runs like a paraplegic penguin in the OF ahead of him. So it’s kind of pointless to think about. This is also my basic attitude toward John Bowker, Fred Lewis, Kevin Frandsen, Joe Martinez, Buster Posey earlier this year and world peace.
I can, however, get tremendously excited about Eugenio Velez, because if he’s on the roster, TBH will inevitably play him way, way, way, way, way more than he should.
Also, TBH isn’t a good abbreviation for Bochy. I nominate “Boh” as his official nickname (Big ’ol Head).
Hector Sanchez: Underrated. Fighting body bias since the 2009 off season. I still love you, son, even if you're fat.
by tedfordfan on Aug 18, 2010 10:37 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Paraplegic penguin
Wreck’d
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by Giant Torture on Aug 18, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Bochy Nickmane
I’ve always been kind of fond of Borky, but BOH works although I might change it to BOEH (Big Old Empty Head)
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by Giant Torture on Aug 18, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Not really empty. There's air in it for sure, perhaps some argon.
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- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Rec'd for accuracy and the penguin imagery.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
When he was playing regularly...
…namely from April 17 through May 19, his line was .299/.364/.423
Then at the end of May, they called up Posey and shifted Huff to the OF, cutting into Nate’s playing time. A week later they signed Burrell and cut into his playing time further. He hasn’t had a chance to play regularly since then. So I’m in the benching-came-first camp.
But really, Grant: there’s no other Giants hitter in whom you have less confidence?
Since the ASB, Nate is hitting just .200/.300/.314 (in 40 PAs) which is pretty pitiful. But Sanchez, in 118 PAs, sports a Bocockian .210/.270/.257 line. I don’t think I could possibly have less confidence in any hitter than I do in Sanchez at this point. Even Burriss might beat out an infield single now and then.
"I don’t think I’ve ever heard a louder chorus of boos than when the Dodgers made the third out of the ninth. It was awesome.." - Aubrey Huff
by EliminateMe on Aug 18, 2010 10:44 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
This
Times two knees and one shoulder
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by Giant Torture on Aug 18, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Those stats must be made up and fake. Sanchez is a batting champion!
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
I would also add Rowand and Renteria to the list. He was great until that big headed fucktard benched him and destroyed his confidence. Before Huff got hot he was literally the only person in the lineup who consistently hit. Having said that, I think this proves that he is too mentally fragile to be an everyday major leaguer.
by helloooonoonan on Aug 18, 2010 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Been said many times before
Never thought Nate was going to become David Dejesus but the way he’s been jimmy jacked around, especially last year when Randy Winns corpse was the every day RF, is abominable and why I hate this team.
I don't think that he ever had the plate discipline to be DDJ
But Nate could probably manage some Rick-Ankiel-In-A-Good-Year numbers.
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My Son
Fair enough
It was just kind of hard for me to think of a good comparison player for him. Ankiel isn’t bad
Never thought [Frandson/Lewis/Bowker/Nate] was going to become [a great player] but the way he’s been jimmy jacked around, especially last year when [old veteran] corpse was the every day [baseball position], is abominable and why I hate this team.
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
by jhiat00 on Aug 18, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Truer Words
Wreck’d
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by Giant Torture on Aug 18, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Lewis actually probably doesn’t need to be there. He actually played a lot despite any jimmy jackings.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 18, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah you are right. His jimmy jacking was getting benched while having one of the highest OBP’s on the team.
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
Bruce Bochy, Mensa candidate?
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Giants Mad Libs!
Really, [old veteran] would have been an inexplicable signing under any circumstances, but all the more so with [homegrown guy] available essentially for free.
"I don’t think I’ve ever heard a louder chorus of boos than when the Dodgers made the third out of the ninth. It was awesome.." - Aubrey Huff
by EliminateMe on Aug 18, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
He got 300 PA's last year
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
would I have preferred he get more?
Yes. But he wasn’t exactly shunned from the plate last year.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
I loathe the Giants for similar reasons.
Not the players, the “management”.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I like Schierholtz, but it’s fairly clear that he’ll never get a chance to start with this team. They always manage to find a reason not to start him. It’s too bad. I was hoping he’d develop into Garrett Anderson (the non-sucky version).
I likeLewisBowkerFrandsenIshikawaSchierholtz, but it’s fairly clear that he’ll never get a chance to start with this team. They always manage to find a reason not to start him. It’s too bad.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 18, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Ah crap. I refreshed the page
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 18, 2010 10:48 AM PDT reply actions
LOL YOU
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
lol you
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
gotta pin that tab, son.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
How’s that work anyway? The subthread is hidden but you can still comment on it?
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 18, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah i guess
must be some java thing
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
Once it’s hidden in your browser you cant post in it because you cant see it. If you didnt refresh (or close and reopen) your browser, not even Grant’s magic can make it disappear.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Me too
I bet they’re all making fun of me in it =(
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
LOL YOU
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
it’s not really that bad
snicker
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
If I was that concerned about being mocked for the things I believed, I probably wouldn’t have so many whacky beliefs…
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
Admit it
You relish in the mockery, don’t you?
So optimistic I fart sunshine and rainbows.
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Aug 18, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I voted for Ron Paul
If that doesn’t tell you something about my mockery-endurance-threshold, I don’t know what will.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
I know, right?
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
I voted for Nader if it makes you feel any better.
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
You threw away your vote!
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU
I tweet (more often than I blarg).
by can of corn on Aug 18, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I DONT BELIEVE YOU!
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
Ross Peroit?
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Admiral Stockdale!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 18, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Really
Me too, but I don’t enjoy the mockery, just firmly believe that other people are idiot’s.
So optimistic I fart sunshine and rainbows.
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Aug 18, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
You want to be best friends?
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
On the count of three, name your favorite dinosaur. Don’t even think about it. Just name it. Ready? One, two, three.
-Velociraptor.
- Favorite nohttp://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2010/8/18/1629703/the-decline-and-summer-of-nate#n-pornographic magazine to masturbate to.
-Good Housekeeping.
- If you were a chick, who’s the one guy you’d sleep with?
-John Stamos.
-] What?
- Did we just become best friends?
-Yep!
So optimistic I fart sunshine and rainbows.
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Aug 18, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Reply fail
So optimistic I fart sunshine and rainbows.
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Aug 18, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
mccovey chronicles XXX edition
Overplayed memes:
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2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Starring Howie’s beard.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Awww Yeeeah.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 18, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup
It was supposed to link that part of the quote to this page, but I was going to fast…..TWSS
So optimistic I fart sunshine and rainbows.
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Aug 18, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Yikes. I like food too much to do that.
by Every6thDay on Aug 18, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe he will let you borrow them.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Me too, but I have to mock those that didn't
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
You can't "relish in" something, can you?
You can relish it, or you can revel in it.
Although “relish in it” conjures up an image of relaxing in a hot-tub-sized vat of chopped up pickles, so I guess that’s okay.
"I don’t think I’ve ever heard a louder chorus of boos than when the Dodgers made the third out of the ninth. It was awesome.." - Aubrey Huff
by EliminateMe on Aug 18, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I can’t seem to decide whether sweet relish is bettor than regular relish.
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
My vote is yes to the sweet relish.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
It is.
Joe Mauer is from Minnesota. My adopted son, RHP Steve Edlefsen, is from Minnesota. Joe Mauer is very good at baseball. Call up Steve Edlefsen, Giants! Science™ is begging you.
I am perfectly happy with either. Usually I am pretty opinionated on things of this nature. It kind of bugs me that I don’t like one even slightly better than the other.
/cuts self
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
I think they both have their advantages.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 18, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
No relish is good.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU
I tweet (more often than I blarg).
by can of corn on Aug 18, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I decidedly do not relish relish. I also don’t understand how people eat pickles.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU
I tweet (more often than I blarg).
by can of corn on Aug 18, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I hate relish, but I love whole pickles.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
agreed
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
"You can shake a dozen glove men out of a tree, but the bat separates the men from the boys." - Washington Senators First baseman Dale Long
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
I concur
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
by Prussian Creole on Aug 18, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not a big fan of pickles, they're just ok, but relish is delicious and I relish it.
Joe Mauer is from Minnesota. My adopted son, RHP Steve Edlefsen, is from Minnesota. Joe Mauer is very good at baseball. Call up Steve Edlefsen, Giants! Science™ is begging you.
I love Dill pickles. Other varieties taste like poo.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 18, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I love relish. I love pickles. I love cucumbers.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 18, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
/pitches a tent
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
Is that like a split finger fastball?
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Relish can be delish.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
you can "revel in"
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
I said that.
I revel in having things I say repeated by delorean.
"I don’t think I’ve ever heard a louder chorus of boos than when the Dodgers made the third out of the ninth. It was awesome.." - Aubrey Huff
i think you mean “relish.”
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
I sit corrected (in my hot tub of relish)
I revel in having things I relish repeated by delorean.
"I don’t think I’ve ever heard a louder chorus of boos than when the Dodgers made the third out of the ninth. It was awesome.." - Aubrey Huff
he’s in such a pickle now
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Don’t worry about me, I’ll ketchup.
"I don’t think I’ve ever heard a louder chorus of boos than when the Dodgers made the third out of the ninth. It was awesome.." - Aubrey Huff
If you must, turd.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
shh… you’re giving use away
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
We can make fun of you here if it’ll help you feel better.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 18, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Just wait for me to say something else ridiculous
So it flows.
I like to be contrarian, but the other contrarians on this board give it a bad name.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
You're Obviously Blinded By Your Bias Toward Reason
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
Flat Ass Stupid
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Aug 18, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
People with GRM quotes in their sigs are cool.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
Not as cool as people with hokymonky quotes.
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
oldjacket quotes are wearable in every season.
Mark DeRosa is playing exactly the same amount of professional baseball as his adopted father, these days.
I don't believe that's true
As matter of fact that’s just bullshit.
So optimistic I fart sunshine and rainbows.
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Aug 18, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
good point
there can be a kind of socratic way to go about it.
Mark DeRosa is playing exactly the same amount of professional baseball as his adopted father, these days.
Here's my take on Nate
It’s hard to disagree that he looks lost. He looks horrible at the plate, and seems to swing at the first pitch most times that he gets pinch hitting appearances. Pressing might have something to do with the crappy numbers.
The problem is, Bochy/Sabean probably think we can’t afford to play Nate in a pennant race, which has some truth to it. I’m not sure if Nate is the answer. The REAL problem is that we should have given Nate that playing time in 2008 or 2009 when it was perfectly reasonable to bench Winn to find out if Nate is for real.
That said, I still would rather see Nate out there regularly rather than Guillen, but I’ve resigned myself to the fact that it’s not going to happen.
"I don’t have any confidence that he’ll figure it out on the Giants, nor do I think the Giants will give him the chance."
With Sabean and Bochy’s collective genius you are really going way out on a limb with that one. I don’t think they know he is still technically on the roster.
by Rowand's Greatness on Aug 18, 2010 10:54 AM PDT reply actions
His name can be fit on the head of a small pin.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Do not self mutilate.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
The Curious Case of Nate Bowker
While I’ve never had a ton of confidence in Schierholz or thought that he was really an everyday major leaguer, he’s been Bowker’d or Bochy’d whichever term you prefer. The answer to whether or not he can hit at this level remains unanswered because he’s never gotten consistent at-bats, which is inexcusable given the 2008 Giants were awful and the 2009 Giants could have afforded to give him at-bats over Randy Winn.
This never really bothered me much because I just don’t think that you look for defense in your right fielder, even at Telephone Park. Schierholz is probably going to be a .270-.280 hitter with little pop, and great defense, which is a good recipe for a SS, CF or even 2B, but not for a RF.
I’m feel bad for Schierholz, and it’s always the 1 katrillionth nail in coffin for the Sabean/Bochy management of young players, but for the most part I’m pretty meh.
So optimistic I fart sunshine and rainbows.
Giants Front Office....Torture!
Typing fail
*I and *also
And I’m not even drunk.
So optimistic I fart sunshine and rainbows.
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Aug 18, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I think if Nate had developed properly, he could have been good, but that ship has probably sailed. So now we’ll never know. But I’d still prefer seeing him in RF rather than Guillen. Having a fly-ball pitching staff and two horrible outfielders seems like a recipe for disaster.
Osiris, Lord of the Dead, and relief pitcher for the Fresno Grizzlies.
This makes me sad
Dude is in his mid-20s, I don’t think any ship has sailed quite yet.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
THIS
Even if Guillen’s bat speed looks thrice Schierholtz’s, the Burrell-Guillen defense is a sucktastrophe.
by Every6thDay on Aug 18, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Fly ball staff in a park with large alleys.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
She said that?
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
OT: Giants on ESPN
Today: Giants @ Phillies
Aug 23: Reds @ Giants
Sept 5: Giants @ Dodgers
Wait, wtf? Since when did ESPN like showing the Giants?
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
FREE POSEY IS FREE
The Phillies, Reds and Dodgers are in the hunt.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 18, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
And Barry Bonds isn’t even playing, amazing.
So optimistic I fart sunshine and rainbows.
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Aug 18, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
HAWT WILD CARD AND DIVISION AXSHUN
It’s been a loooooooong time since the Giants were keeping it interesting. And last year, nobody knew what to make of them. Back to back years of not being awfulness will do that.
by Every6thDay on Aug 18, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I really liked Freddy sanchez till the Ave dropped below 280, what a year to have your career worst season, when your on aq team thats contending. pisses me off. hit great on bad teams hits like shit on a good team. buster shouldnt be hitting 2cnd and its all Freddy’s fault!
Its not easy being a giants fan
I think Buster SHOULD be hitting 2nd anyway
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
Second and fifth—now we just need one more Buster.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
No, we need 8 Busters and a starting pitcher. I don’t care how greedy that sounds.
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
by Prussian Creole on Aug 18, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I wish Nate was a Justin Morneau type hitter
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
I'm still amazed that this is the team Brian Sabean wants the Giants to emulate.
Also, I certainly hope the IT’S ALL LUCK BABIPBABIPBABIP will simmer down by September, when their division lead is insurmountable.
by Every6thDay on Aug 18, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
I believe in the San Diego Padres. I don’t like them. But I believe.
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
The thing about SD is that they rely largely on pitching and defense
Those things are much more reliable than hitting…
Whatever the reason, I expect them to win every game and I’m surprised when they lose.
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
I am in this line, but I think they love their team.
They don’t have any reason to pick it apart like we do the Giants because they seem to have more faith in their management.
by Every6thDay on Aug 18, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Their management that was smart enough to jettison Bochy> Giants management who endorses Bork cereal for all three meals of the day.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
“Whoa Bro! We’re like in first dude!”
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
Mr. Hand, you’re such a dick!
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
not so much "pitching"
as “relief pitching” which is in no way more reliable than hitting. In fact, it’s probably the most volatile thing in MLB
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Go check their starters’ numbers again.
by Every6thDay on Aug 18, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
middle of the pack
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
specifically
15th by FIP, 9th by xFIP. Their really really good (unsustainably so) defense is buoying their ERA.
Their bulpen’s xFIP is like half a run lower than everyone elses, and they’ve gotten 1.5 more WAR out of their ’pen than anyone else so far this season.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Why/how is every number unsustainable? The Giants’ starters were fantastic last season. We all knew they couldn’t sustain it for another season, but why can’t they for one season?
by Every6thDay on Aug 18, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
B/C God(s) hate us.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
They’re just jealous because Matt Cain is a better pitcher than Zeus himself.
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
But Zeus was 100-0 inhis first season! Nevermind that 6.00 ERA or 12 runs of support per game. he was 100-0!!!!!!
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
It would be nice to have the Kraken in your lineup.
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
He can still hit. Unfortunately he was blackballed by baseball for use performace enhancing dolphins (PEDS)
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
WINZ and nothing but WINZ matter!
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think you understand what "sustainable" means
sure they COULD sustain it for a full season, it happens all the time, but there’s no way that their defensive value represents true talent. They are AVERAGING an UZR/150 over 10. If you have a UZR/150 around 10 over a full season, you’re a gold glove contender. Again, their team is AVERAGING that.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Well, there’s approximately 6 weeks left to the regular season. I think it is sustainable for that long, since they’ve already done so for 4+ months. And even if it were to decline, how precipitous a drop would it need to be for them to 1) reach their “true talent” 2) significantly affect their wins & losses so that 3) it could give the Giants a shot at making the playoffs?
I don’t know the answer to these questions, and I doubt you do, either. Sure, it’s easy to look at the numbers and declare that they’re wildly beyond expectations and that the Padres aren’t this good, but expecting that they will come revert to their “true talent” and become less than the best team in the National League seems silly, and, really, only because the Padres have been doing this all season long. And, really, since August of last year, they probably have the best record in Baseball.
by Every6thDay on Aug 18, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Ok, real quick, check out the Gambler’s fallacy. They are likely to regress toward their true talent at any time. Of course their season stats won’t regress to that level, but who cares? Those games already happened. What I’m saying is that they’re likely playing over their heads, and they’re not as good as they’ve been. Might they stay this good for the rest of the season? Sure, but there’s no reason to assume they will.
Think of it this way: The padres have flipped a coin 20 times. They’ve gotten 14 heads. They have 10 more flips to go. If they continue at the rate they’re going this season, they’ll get 7 more heads for a total of 21/30. But why would you assume that would happen? You would expect them to get 5, right? But even if they do get 5, their season total will still be 19/30.
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You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Really? You are going to use the 2008 Phillies as a example of relief pitching not being volatile?
Brad Lidge, JC Romero, Chad Durbin, Clay Condrey. Those guys are the definition of volatile.
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by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
LOLIDGE
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You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
not in 2008...Lidge was perfect
I am not saying that relief pitchers can’t have volatile seasons…but they definitely can carry a team for a season
Dude, they where outstanding one year and crap the next. How is that not volatile?
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by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
right
the thing about volatility is that they can go from good to bad at any time.
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--Daisy Owl
Volatility is volatile!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 18, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
It is what it is!
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
They were who we thought they were, even when they weren’t that at all, because they became so again!
by Every6thDay on Aug 18, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
That was
such an amazing press conference
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DON'T SHAKE THAT BOTTLE!
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
But they have done it for the whole season...so not so volatile for this year
Just as the Phillies could rely on bullpen to shut down the other team in 2008., the Padres starters just have to get to the 7th.
Opposing teams think the same…a number of players/managers talked about how they had to get to Yankees in the first 7 innings because Rivera and Wettleland were automatic
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THATS NOT WHAT VOLATILITY MEANS
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You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
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I'm not sure about that...
the pitching part yes…but the Giants lineup is constructed very differently than the SD lineup (for good or bad).
But that wasn't the initial intent.
It was pitching, speed and defense. This has been the organizational philosophy since the end of the 2007 season.
We’re definitely looking to build this team around pitching, speed and defense, all attributes that are suited to both AT&T Park and the style of play in the National League West.
Link.
I can’t find the link where Sabean specifically references the Padres, but it exists.
The Giants’ lineup looks a bit different out of necessity.
by Every6thDay on Aug 18, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
The thing about the Padres is… their team BABIP is totally normal. So, yeah, it’s not a luck thing, offensively.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 18, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
But...
… they are 13/16 in NL in team wOBA and OPS so I guess they are just not very good offensively…
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They’ve scored three fewer runs than the Giants, too. I just have a hard time accepting the argument that THE PADRES ARE BAD when their record would indicate otherwise.
by Every6thDay on Aug 18, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
They are not bad.
They have given up 400 (!) runs which puts them at the top in terms of run differential despite a bad offense. They are actually underperforming in terms of their exp WP
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Not really
That park is unbelievably brutal on hitters.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
Seriously. Their team OPS+ is actually 100 last I checked. They have guys slugging below .400 that would be displaying average power in any other context (see Headley, Chase). It’s crazy.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Not so sure about that...
Their OPS at home is 709 and on the road is 685… I think they are just bad
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I think you are just using numbers incorrectly
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
As hard as it is to believe, half the teams in the league would do worse in their (the Padres) context.
And pretty much all teams hit better at home – that’s not really a reliable measurement.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
I must be too dumb...
But why do you need OPS+ when you can compare all teams in the league in how they do on the road? I realize that the Padres have to play 9 games a year in ATT, but if you compare road OPS between NL West teams, that should cancel. The Padres are far and away the worse than the Giants in road OPS. Are the Giants that good?
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B/C someteams will have larger sample sizes at different parks.
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by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s not about being dumb, I think you just don’t realize how OPS+ works. In short, it is not just a comparison of OPS to OPS, but also adjusts for where that team has played.
In short, it adjusts for all those contexts (home and road) and tells us that the Padres are right around league average. Them being better or worse on the road doesn’t really discount that, because ALL the numbers are taken into account in OPS+.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Dang, I wish I could edit. There’s one too many “in short” qualifiers. I meant to delete the first one. Oh well.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Thanks… I understand the purpose of OPS+, but like every other model, I do think it is fair to question its validity. I like the concept, but I think it suffers from a lot of the same shortcomings of other complex models.
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By the way...
The trouble I have with all this is that “park factor” is used to drive the bulk of the adjustment in OPS+, but when you look at the numbers, they don’t make a lot of sense. For example, Petco is ranked 19/30 MLB teams which makes it about average. Coors is 1st (no surprise) , ATT is 27th (no surprise), and Minute Maid is 30th(WHAT?). This makes me think Park Factor calcs are overly-impacted by the quality of the teams playing there.
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I see. I’ve wondered that as well, but I’ve never seen any evidence to support it.
Where are you getting your park factors for that list?
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
ESPN
http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor
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But they’re impossible to get out with RISP. I don’t think they have some super clutch ability.
by kingofthacove on Aug 18, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Of course...
SD loads the bases with two walks and a HBP…Matt Stairs proceeds to hit a 2 rbi double..
/throws self down Matt Stairs
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
Well, that is only equivalent to like like one or two stairs.
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by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
/lands on Freddy Sanchez’ knee, breaking it in fourteen places. Sabean declares that the surgery can wait until the end of the season, and please ignore the flapping sound Freddy makes every time he takes a step.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I've always been a big Nate fan
I mean hell look at my name.
But, I was also a fan of Tony Torcato.
Basically I’ve always followed the Giants minor league teams through the late nineties through now, And before the Giants started taking the draft more serious, marginal prospects like Schierholtz were exciting on a team that believed draft picks were better spent on Michael Tucker.
And, while I never thought Schierholtz was the next great Giant. I did believe he was better then what the Giants were playing. I still can’t believe Schierholtz and Bowker were pushed aside last year so Randy Winn could bat 5th in meaningful games, and Velez could show the world that he’s capable of a hot streak and nothing else.
Were you a Jacob Cruz fan?
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Aug 18, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
i agree
In the end, we all lose. Except some people.
by rain.TheMist. on Aug 18, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
You want a prediction about the weather, you’re asking the wrong Phil.
I’ll give you a winter prediction.
It’s gonna be cold…
it’s gonna be gray…
and it’s gonna last you for the rest of your life.
/mccoveychronicle’d
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
....
matt stairs made a diving catch to save a run
uhhhhhh
In the end, we all lose. Except some people.
So? Anybody else would have made that play without diving. Just b/c he makes a play defensively doesn’t mean he is contributing positively towards the overall defense.
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by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
i didnt know matt stairs could dive
and he is contributing by not being a liability
In the end, we all lose. Except some people.
by rain.TheMist. on Aug 18, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Making a play =/= not being a liability. Was that a play that any other OF would/could have made?
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by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
no
In the end, we all lose. Except some people.
by rain.TheMist. on Aug 18, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Listen, no matter what Matt Stairs is a OF liability. 100X moreso than Burrell. Just b/c he made a play doesn’t negate that.
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by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah i totally agree
and that’s why i said
“he is contributing by not being a liability”, which implies what?
that he usually IS a liability.
please use your common sense…
In the end, we all lose. Except some people.
by rain.TheMist. on Aug 18, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I am using common sense. Just b/c he made a diving catch doesn’t mean shit. That is a ball he SHOULD get too NO MATTER WHAT. The fact he had to dive shows you he is a liability b/c he had to DIVE for a ball that almost anyone else could of caught standing up.
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by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
k
In the end, we all lose. Except some people.
by rain.TheMist. on Aug 18, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought the point was, “Goddamn, now Matt Stairs makes a great play to save a run. Does EVERYTHING have to go their way?”
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
thanks
In the end, we all lose. Except some people.
by rain.TheMist. on Aug 18, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
OT: What's up with these new annoying Yahoo commercials on MLB.TV?
Adopted Nut: Paraparaumu, New Zealand native, Andy Skeels
You did
but Yahoo paid a lot more.
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis who is stuck in the baseball purgatory called extended spring training.
MLB is making a killing!
Oh and fuck the Padres. They are this year’s version of the Rockies. Can we be that team now?
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Yup.
One World Series appearance with the best player on the planet. That’s a combination of bad luck and bad management.
by Every6thDay on Aug 18, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
And bad medicine
Your love is like bad medicine
Bad medicine is what I need
Shake it up, just like bad medicine
There ain’t no doctor that can
Cure my disease
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The altnerative is adding a 0 or changing the 1 to a 2 or 3
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by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Even then, they’d still show commercials.
by Every6thDay on Aug 18, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
HEY UMP!!!
“Do you have what it takes to be a major league umpire?”
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
yeah i hate though commercials too
In the end, we all lose. Except some people.
by rain.TheMist. on Aug 18, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
those*
In the end, we all lose. Except some people.
by rain.TheMist. on Aug 18, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
The Dodgers might put Manny on waivers...
maybe Sabean is crazy enough after what will be the Guillen fiasco.
Only if the Giants traded for Brett Cecil...
no one is THAT crazy
In the end, we all lose. Except some people.
by rain.TheMist. on Aug 18, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
/hides thread.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 18, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
SIGN EVERY PLEYER THAT CLEERS WAVESR!
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
oh good gravy stfu…
and cut or disable all phone lines and internet connections Sabean has access to
Hasn’t it been made pretty clear that Sabean doesn’t know what a phone is, let alone the Internet?
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Don't let Sabean check the horizon for smoke signals!
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe I'm crazy
But if the Dodgers gave us salary relief, I’d take him. He was hitting really really well before he went down. Sure, he plays bad defense, but he can overcome that with his hitting.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
Anyone else feel like Clayton Richard's stupid face is begging to be punched?
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
He looks like every LDS guy who's ever come to my front door, but I've not wanted to ever punch one.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Was Clayton Richard a character on Gilligan's Island or the Love Boat?
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i hate his face
not quite Victorino/Hairston level hate, but it’s getting there
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
At the end of this season, Burrell, Huff, and Uribe will all be FAs.
I think we should offer arb to all 3.
If Huff declines, offer him the standard-veteran-sabes 2/12 contract
If Burrell declines, offer him like 1/5
If Uribe declines, I’m leaning towards letting him walk and letting DeRosa take over the utility role. Then again, we might need a SS. Could offer him a 1/5 too.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
DO NOT OFFER ARB TO BURREL HE IS MAKING 9 MILLION AND IN ARB YOU HAVE TO MAKE AT LEAST 75% OF YOUR PREVIOUS YEARS SALARY!
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by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
orly?
Didn’t know that.
Yeah, ok, don’t offer him arb. I’d still be ok with the 1/5 contract for him though.
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My Son
I’m not sure of the number but yeah, it is something like that.
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by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
No
That’s only for pre-free agent arbitration cases.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
OK then. But still its not a good idea.
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by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
meh
I think the highest he’d get in arb is like 6M, which isn’t totally out of line with what he’s worth (IMO)
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--Daisy Owl
If DeRosa is healthy
he will start. bork.
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by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Well Uribe starts now too
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My Son
Uribe, yes.
Huff, yes.
Burrell, no.
Guillen, no.
Renteria, no.
by Every6thDay on Aug 18, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I figured those last two were a given =)
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It needs to be said, plainly and clearly. At all times. Whenever possible.
There can be no misunderstanding about these two players.
by Every6thDay on Aug 18, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s certainly worth ‘Mark DeRosa money’, even if we all agree that Mark DeRosa wasn’t worth ‘Mark DeRosa money.’
I also couldn’t see a deal beyond two years. But Uribe has done nothing but perform 1) exactly as expected and 2) exactly as needed.
whaa
do you really think GINATZ BRAZZZ expected Uribe to put up the numbers he has? I think he’s performed well above expectations.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
yeah but if you compare the comparisons, i don’t think they’re comparable (comparably speaking).
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
not really..
2009: 16 Homers 55 RBIS .289/.329/.495 (432 PAs)
2010: 15 homers 65 RBIS .255/.316/.436 a few more Ks (430 PAs)
His stats this year is closer to his career average of: .257/.300/.431
I meant before he got signed. His production has certainly been well above my expectations.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
Just wondering if he is going to regress to his career average
or go back toward his numbers last year…
But… dingerz and ribeyez!
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Ray'd
Chris Ray goes on the DL with a right intercostal strain. Jeremy Affeldt reinstated from the DL
I’m really glad that he pitched yesterday.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 18, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 18, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Aw
I like Ray, aside from last night he’s pitched pretty well for us.
But yay Affeldt! Nice to have a lefty who isn’t a loogy.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
Well, it would seem there might be a reason that he didn’t pitch all that well for us last night.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 18, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Very true
I was trying to say i’m sad he’s injured because he’s pitched well, not that I don’t want him on the DL if he’s hurt
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
Yeah, I’ve liked Ray. It’s really too bad.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 18, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Chris Ray
was mediocre at best. The first few outings were good, but his recent struggles proves his inconsistency. If Sabean begged for a Darren O’Day or an Evan Meek, he probably would get him while only giving up Molina and a couple of no-name prospects. Instead, now the plan is to hope that the Affeldt off the DL becomes the Affeldt of 2009…
Only if the Giants traded for Brett Cecil...
by Ken O'Brien on Aug 18, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Chris Ray is nothing special, but he was not Bengie Molina and he pitched well for us. So I liked him.
I don’t think Molina could have gotten back an Evan Meek. It was amazing enough that he brought back Chris Ray and a useful minor leaguer.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 18, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
IAWTC
The fact that we got Ray AND Main is awesome.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
Michael Main
was only good enough to play in five games with AA Richmond. He had a 13.83 ERA and a 2.56 WHIP. I don’t know about his chances at making it to the big leagues, nevertheless being good if he gets there.
Only if the Giants traded for Brett Cecil...
by Ken O'Brien on Aug 18, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
He has chances of being good in the majors are currently higher than Bengies.
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by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you have a point? The basic math is Ray + Main > Nothing. Getting rid of Molina is its own reward.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Son of a...
I read that as interscrotal and shed a tear.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
Ouch.
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by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
/fidgets
Joe Mauer is from Minnesota. My adopted son, RHP Steve Edlefsen, is from Minnesota. Joe Mauer is very good at baseball. Call up Steve Edlefsen, Giants! Science™ is begging you.
That would be Andy Bernard.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Me, too. Seems rather convenient, in light of the fact that they need roster space.
Adopted Giant: Ryan Rohlinger (on loan from Shanghaijim).
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♥BARRY ZITO♥
For some reason, I felt like clicking on the FAQ in your sig today (which I had read before) and I spent the last 15 minutes rereading the entire thread.
It reminded me that I haven’t seen “Shit that’s fuck” in a while and I don’t know why.
Joe Mauer is from Minnesota. My adopted son, RHP Steve Edlefsen, is from Minnesota. Joe Mauer is very good at baseball. Call up Steve Edlefsen, Giants! Science™ is begging you.
You’re a FAQ checker.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
FAQ YOU BUDDY!
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
wow
I posted the first reply in that thread and have absolutely no recollection of doing so.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
You were in a FAQout.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I still don’t know what/who Yu Darvish is.
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
Oh he's an actual person.
A google search brings up a bunch of results too. Hmmm…I though I had googled this name before.
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
subject
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Why is he looking at me like that?
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
Because he knows what’s under the sheet.
The Magic is inside all of us.
Proud father of the man taking your hard-earned money.
Nothing but disappointment.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 18, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
i remembered it from a long time ago, but i forgot the magazine name. took me a little bit.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Yours is more informative.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
If Affeldt can pitch like he did last year, this isn't that bad. It also makes sense why he was so bad yesterday.
So, who is the Bautista of the bullpen now that Bautista’s gone? I would normally say Casillas, but he’s been pitching better as of late, so if Ray comes back and Affeldt’s pitching good, who do we send down?
Jeaaaggaahh
by Soulbrother16 on Aug 18, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, there’s the phantom injury that gets Affeldt back on the roster in August.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
I've always liked Nate
I still think that if he was given a good amount of starts he could have a BA of 270+ and his defense is always a happy addition. If it comes down to him or Ishikawa (with Huff sliding around) I’d much rather have Nate playing RF with Huff at 1st. However, I think the addition of Burrell (and now Guillen) has pretty much solidified his spot at the end of the bench.
Jeaaaggaahh
Come on Welington Castillo
Whoever the fuck you are.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
LOL Freddy
SF lineup for Wednesday: Torres CF, Posey C, Huff 1B, Burrell LF, Guillen RF, Sandoval 3B, Uribe SS, Fontenot 2B, Cain P
LOL Bowk
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
LOL US
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
by jctGamer on Aug 18, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL Frandsen
"I don’t think I’ve ever heard a louder chorus of boos than when the Dodgers made the third out of the ninth. It was awesome.." - Aubrey Huff
LOL PLAYOFFS.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
This will be the first Cain start I have seen!
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like a recipe for success
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 18, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
GUILLEN HITS DINGERZ FOR THE SAN FRANCISCO GIANTZZ!!!
Joe Mauer is from Minnesota. My adopted son, RHP Steve Edlefsen, is from Minnesota. Joe Mauer is very good at baseball. Call up Steve Edlefsen, Giants! Science™ is begging you.
Fixed
Guillen hits dinger for the San Francisco Giants, starts for rest of eternity.
Joe Mauer is from Minnesota. My adopted son, RHP Steve Edlefsen, is from Minnesota. Joe Mauer is very good at baseball. Call up Steve Edlefsen, Giants! Science™ is begging you.
hitting the Rockies mascot? That would bring me around on that trade.
Mark DeRosa is playing exactly the same amount of professional baseball as his adopted father, these days.
Dinger= week of playing time for Guillen
Jeaaaggaahh
by Soulbrother16 on Aug 18, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Dinger = stupid piece of shit
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 18, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
preparing for nuclear war?
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Dinger= week month of playing time for Guillen
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Platoon is a good thing
I like the lineup. CBP has a smaller OF, so less room for Guillen to fail.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
Mole and Rowand have to be two of the most expensive bench players in baseball.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 18, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps in the history of baseball (non-adjusted dollars).
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I know this has been said a million times
But I am really upset that we automatically penciled Guillen in as a starter.
As for Schierholtz, I am bummed at the way we mismanaged him. I always liked him, and believe that he could’ve had success as an everyday player.
Side story, he is a friend of a friend, and we went out on the town with him one night in Walnut Creek. Down-to-earth, humble, overall cool dude. Wish him luck wherever he is next year.
Schierholtz has always reminded me of Mark Sweeney. A good left-handed bat off the bench that can come in & catch up to fastballs enough to drive them to both fields. Obviously Nate’s defense makes him easier to play in the field than Sweeney, but I never expected him to to be an above average starter.
The Magic is inside all of us.
Proud father of the man taking your hard-earned money.
OT: Silent Movie Starwars
This is pretty cool.
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
Nate
I don’t think his upside has ever been more than a marginal starting OF. His defense is pretty fantastic, though he does take some Lindenesque paths to the ball sometimes. His arm is great and seems to be pretty smart.
He’d never be a big homerun hitter, but I do believe that if he got 500+ PA for a small ballpark team like the Reds or Phils or Orioles he’d hit 15-20 homers.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 18, 2010 12:37 PM PDT reply actions
OT: is todays game available on both ESPN and Csn bayarea?
if it is, what which will U watch?
Los Angeles Lakers, San Francisco Giants, San Francisco 49ers and the University of California Berkeley FAN. Lakers=2010 Champs, Giants= 2010 NL West Champs, 49ers= Super Bowl 45 Champs.
Lakers!
Neither. I’ll watch under my straw hat
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
it’s a conspiracy!!! espn knows the phillies play better when nationally televised, and tonights game is a pivotol one, and of course east coast bias wants the phillies to win, so thats why there doing it.
its all part of the larger plan
by curveball3110 on Aug 18, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
bases loaded top 4, 3-1 maxi-PADS
Los Angeles Lakers, San Francisco Giants, San Francisco 49ers and the University of California Berkeley FAN. Lakers=2010 Champs, Giants= 2010 NL West Champs, 49ers= Super Bowl 45 Champs.
Lakers!
woooooohoooooo
cubs get out of a bases loaded jam!
Los Angeles Lakers, San Francisco Giants, San Francisco 49ers and the University of California Berkeley FAN. Lakers=2010 Champs, Giants= 2010 NL West Champs, 49ers= Super Bowl 45 Champs.
Lakers!
OT
I want a gyro. Any recommendations in SF?
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 18, 2010 12:42 PM PDT reply actions
I'm sure Lars will gyro AND propeller for you!
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
uhh
park gyro was good. honestly that’s the only place i’ve been to haha
its on 9th and lincoln
In the end, we all lose. Except some people.
by rain.TheMist. on Aug 18, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Truly Med?
Do they have gyros?
(Sorry, I’m vegan.)
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
As I pointed out earlier this season
once Nate injured his shoulder, he couldn’t pull a fastball and it’s been true ever since
,
The money lies in the RBIs
-- Jeff Kent
FACT
CASE CLOSED
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
PEROID
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
CORRELATION = CAUSATION
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
it seems like father time has gotten to lou pinella
In the end, we all lose. Except some people.
Anyone else notice that Freddie Lewis has lost his job in Toronto? He’s playing today, but lately it’s been one or two starts a week.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
by rxmeister on Aug 18, 2010 1:06 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
The joke is that summer is a season just like fall!
As usual, I have nothing of substance to add.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
One of them.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
YOU SUCK, MCBAIN
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
Another Sox bites the dust
AmalieBenjamin Cameron done for the year. Will have surgery on his abdominal. #redsox
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 18, 2010 1:24 PM PDT reply actions
His abdominal what?
Abdominal = adjective.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
sometimes makes you important words
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
Man, I would hate to forget important
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
I what you did there.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
TWS
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
AmalieBenjamin The surgery is to repair Cameron’s abdominal tear. Sorry for the confusion.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 18, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I always wanted Sabean to trade for AmalieBenjamin Cameron. Damn.
by Grant Brisbee on Aug 18, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey!
Did you guys hear Brett Favre’s coming back?!
/ducks
No, is there anywhere I can find information on this topic?
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
damn you...
In the end, we all lose. Except some people.
by rain.TheMist. on Aug 18, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he’s some sort of hockey guy… sounds French to me.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
who?
In the end, we all lose. Except some people.
by rain.TheMist. on Aug 18, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Hate this guy.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
It's a command
Okay, it’s also a personal statement.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
GOODNESS GRACIUS
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
GREAT BALLS OF FIRE
"I don’t think I’ve ever heard a louder chorus of boos than when the Dodgers made the third out of the ninth. It was awesome.." - Aubrey Huff
MY POKEMONZ!
Lemme show them to you.
The Magic is inside all of us.
Proud father of the man taking your hard-earned money.
OT: I've just been accused of spending more time here at MCC than with my wife, and enjoying the time I spend here more than with her.
Guilty as charged, on all counts your honor.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
and the divorce rate goes up
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Aug 18, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah.
I’ll get her an account and she’ll understand.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
i have contributed my share to the divorce rate. 1 for 1!!
by curveball3110 on Aug 18, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
The only way to rectify this is to have her join.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
‘rectify’
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
What an asinine thing to say.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
This is some serious win right here
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
by jctGamer on Aug 18, 2010 2:01 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
lol
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Laughing Out Loud for real.
Recommended.
Joe Mauer is from Minnesota. My adopted son, RHP Steve Edlefsen, is from Minnesota. Joe Mauer is very good at baseball. Call up Steve Edlefsen, Giants! Science™ is begging you.
lol Triceratops
ain’t no such thang
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
Not after that asteroid hit.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
/Carl Everett
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Aug 18, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Rec'd and laughing out loud, still.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Hahahahaha
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
LOL
rec’d
In the end, we all lose. Except some people.
by rain.TheMist. on Aug 18, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Why did the asteroid post 65 million years ago, but the T-Rex posted 35 minutes ago?
I suspect this is a fake!
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
Maybe the T-rex's broadband connection was down
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
This might not make sense to 99.99% of you...
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
That guy was an asshole. I wish someone would blow up his shuttle.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
My favorite DS9 Episode
And TOP 5 star trek overall. What a powerful performance by Garak.
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Once the DS9 eps got arc-y I lost the ability to track my favorites. Still, this is certainly one of their best.
This reminds me of a conversation between my friend and I in college.
“Man I wish they release a best of DS:9 battles collector set”
“They did, it’s called Babylon 5”
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
freaking auto-formatting
No. #2 on my list, after “Necessary Evil”.
by non sequitur on Aug 18, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
was that the one where Kira jumped back in time through the orb and relived history?
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Kira?
Death Note?
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 18, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
HE LIVES!
"Reynolds struck out as many times as I did in high school, and I’m not talking about baseball." - Duane Kuiper.
by MonochromeGarden on Aug 18, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
No, and surprisingly, I can’t quite place which episode you’re talking about.
“Necessary Evil” was basically a noir-style murder story. No fancy tech (although much of it was told in flashback), just lots of style and some relatively bold (for Trek) characterizations.
by non sequitur on Aug 18, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I have In The Pale Moonlight and The Visitor at 1 and 2, though I’m not 100% sure which is which.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
Is that like Twilight?
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
Yeah, “The Visitor” was good. Certainly in my Top 10 somewhere.
by non sequitur on Aug 18, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Best thing ever: playing that clip back to back with the one of Sisqo going IT’S REAL! in the time travel episode.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Aug 18, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
THE FLAG SHOULD BE WAVING
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
This.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
No, he’s talking about the font in my link.
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
Yeah, it's horrible.
Looks like someone took a crappy font and made it worse.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
I think you missed my crappy joke. Of course you could just be unwilling to acknowledge it which is perfectly understandable.
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
Missed it.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
He's at 2B
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
by GiantPain on Aug 18, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Its official,
the San Diego Padres are fuggin assholes! Why can’t they just start to lose, why?
Brennan Huff: I have a belly full of white dog crap in me, and now you lay this shit on me?
Pact with the devil. It’s the only explanation.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Seattle_Mariners_season
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
that makes sense tho
They had Ichiro.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
It has to be only logical reason.
Brennan Huff: I have a belly full of white dog crap in me, and now you lay this shit on me?
Doesn't know how to lose.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
at this rate, theyll end the season with the best record in the bigs. with the lowest payroll.
WHAT THE FUCK
by curveball3110 on Aug 18, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
They have a lucky rabbits foot
shoved up their…..
Brennan Huff: I have a belly full of white dog crap in me, and now you lay this shit on me?
they are 1.5 games behind the Yanks/Tampa.
Unbelieveable. Well, its the WC for us…
by curveball3110 on Aug 18, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
It just can't be real.
6 back in the loss column
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
1 can only hope,
but this has been a bad start to the month so far. The Phillies are just warming up, the Braves are good, the Reds are playing consistent as are the Cards. SF better kick it up a notch.
Brennan Huff: I have a belly full of white dog crap in me, and now you lay this shit on me?
they go on to play MIL next, ho-hum
they do play PHI when we play the reds, so thats our opportunity to put distance between either the WC or close the division gap.
by curveball3110 on Aug 18, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe I have a McCoven bias
but amongst the Padres, Giants, Braves, Cardinals, Reds, Phillies, the Giants might be the 5th or 6th best. Hopefully they can hit another stretch where the offense plays over their heads, or the starters return to their first half form.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
thing is, they need to be 4th best, at worst.
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the division is untouchable now- though we still have 7 to play against SD, and they have a tough schedule in Sep, while ours is easier…
by curveball3110 on Aug 18, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe Posey pulls one out with some miraculous baserunning
Unless he get’s PR’d for.
But otherwise, yeah.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
This.
It would be a minor miracle to take the division at this point.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
I look at that list, and I’m not sure which team the Giants might be better than. Possibly the Reds, possibly the Cardinals… certainly not San Diego or Atlanta, given the head-to-head dominance.
even if we’re better than the Reds and Cards, one of them gets the Central, so that still leaves us as 5th best.
by curveball3110 on Aug 18, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
The only hope is that Atlanta and Philly beat the hell out of each other the rest of the way. Not impossible.
while i think the WC is what we will end up with, we have to keep our head looking at the division, not trying to keep pace with Phily, yknow? if we can keep pace with the Pods the rest of the way, we’ll be good enough for the WC. see what I mean?
by curveball3110 on Aug 18, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
@Ken_Rosenthal: Deal done: Lee to #Braves for three pitching prospects. #Cubs #MLB
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by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 18, 2010 2:28 PM PDT reply actions
I like D Lee
Always have. I wonder how much he’s got left in the tank though. I hope it’s not much.
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I honestly don’t know if I’d have liked him on the Giants, either. I guess this means the Braves think Glaus is only bench filler?
How old is Derek?
Brennan Huff: I have a belly full of white dog crap in me, and now you lay this shit on me?
Yeah, thats too old for my taste.
Brennan Huff: I have a belly full of white dog crap in me, and now you lay this shit on me?
TWSS :(
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Brennan Huff: I have a belly full of white dog crap in me, and now you lay this shit on me?
Lee Plays first
Glaus to third.
Chipper is out for the season remember?
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Atlanta is hoping so.
At least that is what I heard this morning on ESPN.
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Atlanta lost All-Star third baseman Chipper Jones for the season with a torn ACL on Aug. 10. First baseman Troy Glaus, a former third baseman, could be moved back to third if Lee is acquired.
Nothing official yet.
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no
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 18, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't know anything about these guys
Cubs acquire prospects RHP Robinson Lopez, RHP Tyrelle Harris, LHP Jeffrey Lorick
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by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 18, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Robin Lopez plays center for the Suns.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
I thought Bart Simpson killed Sideshow Bob
by curveball3110 on Aug 18, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Niles and Frasier.
Brennan Huff: I have a belly full of white dog crap in me, and now you lay this shit on me?
The Cubs sent some cash as well.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 18, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Chris Ray is on the DL with an intercostal strain (explains last night).
Affeldt being activated and will be with team tomorrow. Runzler optioned to AAA until Sept 1.
Tonight Lineup-
CF Torres
C Posey
1B Huff
LF Burrell
RF Guillen
3B Sandoval
SS Uribe
2B Fontenot
P Cain
Torres needs to heat back up as does Huff.
Brennan Huff: I have a belly full of white dog crap in me, and now you lay this shit on me?
Torres is fine, he’s hitting .350 over last 20 games. Huff, on the other hand… lost .20 points off AVG in last 2 weeks, hitting .186 in Aug
by curveball3110 on Aug 18, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Did he hit the wall in a Rownads/chain link fence sort of way?
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
no, he spider-manned it. pure badassness
by curveball3110 on Aug 18, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Well than Huff needs to pull his shit together.
Brennan Huff: I have a belly full of white dog crap in me, and now you lay this shit on me?
Intercostal?
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
The inner coast region.
The Magic is inside all of us.
Proud father of the man taking your hard-earned money.
His nads are strained?
Or is it near your groin?
Brennan Huff: I have a belly full of white dog crap in me, and now you lay this shit on me?
Rib Eyez?
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
I love Rib eye's
Good to know what intercostal means now……..
Brennan Huff: I have a belly full of white dog crap in me, and now you lay this shit on me?
Doesn't the Rib Eye contain both cuts in one?
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Not sure, I'll have to google it, lol
Brennan Huff: I have a belly full of white dog crap in me, and now you lay this shit on me?
Rib Eye's are the most flavorfull IMO.
Brennan Huff: I have a belly full of white dog crap in me, and now you lay this shit on me?
I agree.
The marbling gives it flavor. Sometimes I prefer the super tender filet though.
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I am not a grilling expert
but I have never screwed up a Rib Eye.
I have screwed up a NY Strip.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
I’m not very good at cooking them but I am good at eating them!
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I quick Wiki investigation
Says:
New York Strip + Filet ≠ Rib Eye
Each is a different cut
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
You’re thinking of the porterhouse perhaps?
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Porterhouse and T-Bone both contain tenderloin (filet) and Short loin (NY Strip)
Porterhouse contains more of the tenderloin than does the Tbone.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Correct.
I was confusing Rib Eye and Porterhouse.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
well, ray might make good meat. why dont you eat him and let us know?
save me an ear
by curveball3110 on Aug 18, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Bicoastal? what?
it simply amazes me that whenever the Giants absolutely need to make a lineup decision that could result in a DFA, someone gets injured goes on the DL.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 18, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Shift A
Who the hell is Nate Schierholtz?
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Some third baseman.
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Watch it
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I've always liked Nate
and I think if he had gotten consistent playing time 2-3 years ago he could have been a pretty solid player – especially given his defense. But I think he’s gotten too old without enough consistent playing time for him to reach the peak he could have had. Still, if he got 500 at bats in a season I think he could be a lot closer to what we say in the first month than to what we’ve seen since.
The problem is he probably won’t ever hit many homeruns, and as a corner outfielder will be seen as subpar because of that. He should have started 80% of the time or more last year so we could have known what we were dealing with.
If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.
Fire Sabean and Bochy
The Giants are notable for NOT developing talent that they already have and for putting their hopes on older washed up players that were successful in the past. Then, when Sabean makes trades, he seems to be taken to the cleaners. Other GM’s take advantage of his inability to tell baseball talent and the real worth of players. Atlanta just got Derreck Lee for three minor league pitchers. The San Diego Padres operate with a budget 1/2 the size of the Giants’ and get far more for their money, make far better trades, etc. Time to fire Sabean. He has had enough time to have produce at least one championship.
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