Post-game thread: Phillies hit Zito, bludgeon bullpen
by Grant Brisbee on Aug 17, 2010 7:11 PM PDT
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PrintWell, that went well. Again. It seems like it's been a while since the Giants had a complete meltdown like the eighth inning. Hello, darkness, my old friend.
I would have loved to see the Giants get to the ninth down by one -- because, hey, Brad Lidge -- but while I was busy astrally projecting my inner hopes and dreams to Lidge, Chris Ray intercepted the call. That always seems to happen.
So let's take this opportunity to complain about something mostly unrelated to this loss. Well, it wouldn't have been unrelated had the game stayed close, but once the Phillies scored another dozen runs or so, there was less of a risk that it would come off as whining. From ESPN, here's how teams have hit with runners in scoring position and two outs:
Yeah, that's about right. Every time the other team gets some two-out single to score two runs, I think, man, what manner of witchery be this? You can do that? Then I think, hey, it's all in my head. Every fan of every team thinks their team can't hit in the clutch.
Nope, the Giants are legitimately unlucky or unclutch, depending on which side of the argument you fall. I, for one, think it's just a fluke. But I would like the Giants to stop it, and stop it right now.
Also, let us never speak about this game again.
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I didn't watch this game
I feel good about the decision. (Not so good about the fact that I was working, but still.)
I wonder if the bad hitting with two outs and RISP could be related to having a top-heavy lineup. The good hitters in terms of OBP for the Giants pretty much stop at 4th or 5th in the order. If you’re left with Uribe or Rowand or Renteria to drive in runs, well, it doesn’t happen that often.
Of course most every team has its best hitters at the top, but maybe the Giants are more extreme than others?
I don’t think it’s attributable to a top heavy lineup. Like you said, most teams are top heavy. In fact, far worse offenses than us have better performance, whether that’s fluke or sample size or what, I don’t know. Is something wrong with our approach with men on base?
One curious thing I noticed – if you want to look at OBP, the “OBP ISO” (I’m just subtracting BA from OBP to look at walks) is very similar to other teams. We simply aren’t getting hits, let alone hits with power.
Juan Uribe has driven in plenty of runs considering he's Juan Uribe
The money lies in the RBIs
-- Jeff Kent
My pet theory
and I’m sure it will be blasted as bullshit, is that the Giants have, in general, a bunch of impatient hitters. The time that the impatience is most manifest is in 2 out RISP situations. Pitchers know they don’t have to throw a strike. They get themselves out.
Yeah – I know its probably BS. But I don’t prescribe to the luck theory. Not over a full year.
my point
is that the impatience contributes to the poor RISP average
they all want to be the heroes, git-r-done style, and go after first pitches, resulting in GIDPs, popups, strikeouts.
how can a team have soooo many impatient hitters? posey and burrell are the only patient ones. torres isn’t patient, but he gets it done so thats fine by me. with RISP/2out, huff, uribe, sandoval, etc all just free swing. its horrible to watch, because other teams do it to us. we sit there, why cant we get hits like that?
by curveball3110 on Aug 17, 2010 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Are there splits on P/PA available at the team level? This actually seems like something that could be supported or disproved empirically.
Also, “subscribe” not “prescribe.” /grammar police
Jeez tough crowd
Admittedly I don’t check grammar or spelling when posting here. You are right, of course.
It would probably be more fair
To compare 2 out-RISP OPS with regular OPS.
Sure, the Reds lead the league, but they also just have a really good offense.
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Well that sucked!
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces strained obliques
by Giant among Angels on Aug 17, 2010 7:18 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
It was a good game until Zito failed to put away Ruiz, and it all went to shambles from there.
We just traded who for who?!
True. Though he did start to get hit hard the inning before that.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces strained obliques
by Giant among Angels on Aug 17, 2010 7:38 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Bochy managed that eighth like it was still April. Not having Lopez ready to pitch to Ibanez was flat out stupid. Not having ANYONE ready was straight out incompetent.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
by rxmeister on Aug 17, 2010 7:20 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
the Bullpen is mostly worn out
only Romo and Wilson were reasonably well-rested
The money lies in the RBIs
-- Jeff Kent
I was pissed he didn't have someone warming up
When Ray walked that guy with 4 pitches.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
And you are surprised?
Bochy is a shitty game manager. His strengths are from the time the game ends, until he fills out the lineup card. But they play damn hard for him. And that counts for something.
I was so pissed at bochy in the bottom of the 8th!
but i couldnt explain it as well as you just did rxmeister. well said. like he let a 1 run game go for not using anyone other then Ray, like he was conceding a loss to save the rest of the bullpen. we had a chance against Lidge! damn i hate Bochy.
Its not easy being a giants fan
Failure to score with 2 outs and RISP has nothing to do with this team's luck
It’s an unbalanced line-up. Some guys are really good at getting on base. Other guys are really good at GIDP and flailing at sliders in the dirt.
STOP RELYING ON THE BELIEF THAT THIS TEAM IS A VICTIM OF BAD LUCK
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU
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I feel similarly. One group of players continue to get on base while another group of players continue to strand them there. This team constantly makes me wonder what the point is in setting the table when the people in charge of serving don’t bother to show up.
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by Prussian Creole on Aug 17, 2010 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah. They were among the best teams in baseball at it last year with worse personnel. I’m not saying they’re five games out just because of bad luck, but the .200 average with two outs and RISP is horrid beyond the boundaries of a team-wide crappy approach.
Like I wrote, though, everyone’s free to believe that this team isn’t clutch. I’m not there.
by Grant Brisbee on Aug 17, 2010 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
For me it’s not clutch vs. un-clutch. I really do think that it’s just a matter of who gets on base, and then who’s left to get them home. Say Rowand leads of the inning, popping the first pitch up for an out. Then the pitcher strikes out. Torres comes up, gets a double. There’s two outs, and who comes up next? Freddy Sanchez. Who then weakly grounds out to the SS. It’s science!
(The same scenario is applicable when Posey or Huff get on base, and have to rely on the bottom of the order to get them home).
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But other than the pitchers, DeRosa, and Velez, no one is hitting worse overall than the collective team is with two outs and RISP. You’d still expect more from a lineup filled with eight Sanchi, much less one that actually has some functional pieces.
by Grant Brisbee on Aug 17, 2010 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess I’d have to look at individual stats and compare general hitting scenarios vs. 2 outs/RISP. Strawhatting it, though, there are those who can hit the ball and get on base (or successfully sacrifice) and those who aren’t as good at either.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU
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Oh – and LOL at you including DeRosa in your list of those not hitting. Well done.
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Sanchez’s SLG is worst of the non-pitchers at .323. The team overall SLG is .405. With 2 outs and RISP it’s .308. It’s got to be either bad luck or unclutchiness, distribution of hitters within the lineup can’t be the cause.
Osiris, Lord of the Dead, and relief pitcher for the Fresno Grizzlies.
I refuse to believe in the “bad luck” theory.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU
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Oh, and is there anyway of determining which players are mostly counted in the 2 outs/RISP situations?
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I don’t know of any, at least not without going through game logs.
Osiris, Lord of the Dead, and relief pitcher for the Fresno Grizzlies.
Ugh. I don’t feel that ambitious.
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by can of corn on Aug 17, 2010 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
this is a bad sample, to be sure
BUT
The Giants are within 5 runs scored overall of what you would expect from component stats (RS vs EQRS). They are 50 RA better than you would expect from EQRA.
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Using completely different methodology . . .
. . . I get numbers reasonably similar.
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Grant
Predicted this would happen by mentioning the April Fall apart game
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
A bundle of it, Plus some Cluster
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
Grammar Nazi here; I have come to correct your grammar!
It’s an RBI, not a RBI.
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
I read as R B I
I suppose if you read it as the phrase rather than the acronym you would be correct.
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
But it was the acronym that was written, not the phrase.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2010 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions
F**k the Padres
I can’t stand them anymore. Its too flipping frustrating.
So I missed the game because I have class on Tuesday until 9. I propose that the Giants have all their losses fall on Tuesdays from now on. Because this game was just ugly.
On a positive note, I was glad to see Pat Burrell got a home run in his first at bat. Good for him!
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
by Prussian Creole on Aug 17, 2010 7:24 PM PDT reply actions
LOL FP on the pregame
Saying Utley needed more rehab. He said even Burrell said he needed three more games, not even getting the joke.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
by rxmeister on Aug 17, 2010 7:26 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
That was awful
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- Republik of Mancunia
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
Ooo, what’d you have??
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by Prussian Creole on Aug 17, 2010 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m jealous. I’m also hungry. :(
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
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by Prussian Creole on Aug 17, 2010 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions
At least this beer is enjoyable.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Speaking of beer, for those of you Sacramento peoples that miss SacBrew the brewmaster has started a small brewing company Odonata. We haven’t been able to track any down yet but I’ll be going to Corti Bros tomorrow. They list some locations in the Bay Area, and it’s apparently already won some accolades.
Since we’re doing beer shout-outs, if you get a chance, go tour the Lagunitas brewery in Petaluma. The tour is super short, but they make up for it by getting you mangled on good beer. :)
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
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by Prussian Creole on Aug 17, 2010 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I could go for their IPA right now
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
by Prussian Creole on Aug 17, 2010 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Hopefully, you're not enjoying it alone
I am, the bar I’m working at is EMPTY. Sadlly.
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
Oh hai there bartender ;)
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
by Prussian Creole on Aug 17, 2010 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Heh
Tanks.
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
LOL, I always have an urge to make friends with the bartender. Its a trick I learned in college.
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
by Prussian Creole on Aug 17, 2010 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions
We know what you're doing
Yet, we still fall for it.
Everyone is invited down to my bar to drink our sorrows away
+ I have wifi so mccoven can chronicle.
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
Oddly enough, I get better responses some time from the female bartenders. But that’s cause I tip well, can hold my liquor, and always order the same thing. Although it is nice that the male bartenders won’t charge you half the time.
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
by Prussian Creole on Aug 17, 2010 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Considering my bar is usually slow
I usually charge, unless you do something to deserve one on the house. Or if you’re a regular that always spends money and doesn’t bitch.
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
I feel like I’m going down a bad road here, but I’m genuinely curious . . . what do you consider doing something to deserve one on the house?
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
by Prussian Creole on Aug 17, 2010 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Your mind is in the gutter.
I have one customer that always buys food for the bar, he gets a few drinks here and there, I also play a dice game with him for a drink once in a while.
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
BTW If it's cool with Grantdizzle
I’ll post the addy and the McCoven can come drink for a buck off
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
Correction
A buck off for an hour
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
why hasn't this been posted yet?
we’ll even ignore your grammar nazi post.
:)
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"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
"You can shake a dozen glove men out of a tree, but the bat separates the men from the boys." - Washington Senators First baseman Dale Long
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
guess I should scroll down
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
"You can shake a dozen glove men out of a tree, but the bat separates the men from the boys." - Washington Senators First baseman Dale Long
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
LOL
Clearly your mind isn’t enough in the gutter!
In all seriousness, that is the least dirty suggestion (short of here’s a drink cause its your birthday) that I’ve hear from a bartender.
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
by Prussian Creole on Aug 17, 2010 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Lollerskates
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
The biggest load of BS ever
Of course they get a first pitch inning ending double play
At what point do we throw in the towel on this season?
Do we need another 13th inning walk off grand slam for that?
Not when we are one game out of a playoff spot, thats for sure
I would like to talk to you about my pokemonz
Agreed. But I will admit that right now it feels like we’re 6 games out. Giants baseball = torture.
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
by Prussian Creole on Aug 17, 2010 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions
My brain is burning!
Stop reminding me of crotch cover!
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
At the Grizzlies game
Hey it’s Jeremy Affeldt. He’s standing not 100 feet from me.
Hopefully this game will turn out better.
"Buster Posey" anagram = OYSTER PUBES
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Aug 17, 2010 7:31 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Mota
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
by rxmeister on Aug 17, 2010 7:38 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
It’s never a good sign when you have more people on the 25-man roster you want to get rid of then people to replace them.
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
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by Prussian Creole on Aug 17, 2010 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions
There's no one in the bullpen I would have to get rid of.
Everyone has been fairly consistent.
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
I'm not saying that
Just that its a nice place to be to not want to designate any of your relievers.
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
Maybe Ramirez but I can't imagine Ray does.
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
Ray< Ramirez
Personally, however if Runz and Felt come back those two would be the ones I’d designate.
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
Ramirez Please.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
go say hi the giants next skipper
the brilliant decker
fuck bochy
Won't happen until after 2016
Because when the giants end the year with 92 wins and miss the playoffs nuekom will give sabean and bochy 5 year extensions on their current contracts.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
I’m sure we would’ve lost in heartbreaking fashion in the 9th anyway.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 17, 2010 7:37 PM PDT reply actions
I think we would’ve tied it but lost on a walk off in the bottom of the inning.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 17, 2010 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions
More likely...
Runners in scoring position, less than 2 outs, then either DP, or a strike out + pop up.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?
I have a bad feeling about this
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
familiar isn’t it?
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis who is stuck in the baseball purgatory called extended spring training.
This is going down the shitter quickly
Saturday night we were on top of the world! We beat the Madres! 2.5 back! Our ace going vs. their worst pitcher!
Then…..Lincecum implodes, Cy LeBlanc shuts us down, we go on the road to play the Phillies, Cards and then home to play the Reds while the Pads play creampuffs and keep winning….
All of the sudden we are down by 5 games to the Pads….That was quick, huh?
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Aug 17, 2010 7:43 PM PDT reply actions
An equally sudden winning streak would be welcome.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2010 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions
:-( game
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
Ugh.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Aug 17, 2010 7:52 PM PDT reply actions
Ugh.
Joe Mauer is from Minnesota. My adopted son, RHP Steve Edlefsen, is from Minnesota. Joe Mauer is very good at baseball. Call up Steve Edlefsen, Giants! Science™ is begging you.
Blech.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Blah
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2010 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions
the defense also sucked; all three phases working in unison
by TimLaser and MattyC on Aug 17, 2010 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
this team will not make the playoffs
will they finally shit can sabean and bochy?
Never gonna happen.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Aug 17, 2010 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah.
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
by Prussian Creole on Aug 17, 2010 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Sadly, no.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2010 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions
The padres are pretty cool
They score 1 run in the first on a RBI ground out and jon garland makes it count against the scrubs. This is definitely our year minus the catastrophic fail against the padres that isn’t over.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
i think the entire padres team
went to see ron artest’s shrink
In the end, we all lose. Except some people.
by rain.TheMist. on Aug 17, 2010 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions
POW
Rohlinger crushes a 3-run bomb. 3-0 Fres.
"Buster Posey" anagram = OYSTER PUBES
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Aug 17, 2010 8:08 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
He’s no stranger to runs.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
IRL LOL
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Aug 17, 2010 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL the white sox are almost as cursed as the giants.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Except they have a ring in their city
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
This
I just meant in their games against the twins this year.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
True.
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
Jim thome with a 2 run dinger to win it for the twins when they were trailing 6-5 in the 10th. I bet the white sox are sure glad they didn’t resign him and opted for the vaunted slugger andruw jones.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Seems like we say the same thing about every game now-a-days...
“Let’s not speak of this game anymore.”
Motherf***er…at the most important time, the Giants are slumping. F***!
Go Sharks!
there are still 7 weeks left there are still 7 weeks left there are still 7 weeks left there are still 7 weeks left there are still 7 weeks left …
RBI’s and proffesional at bats down the stretch!!!
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Just got permission from the G-Man
If anyone wants to drink away their Giant sorrows(see what I did there?) come to my bar from 9pm-11pm and get any beer $1 off
http://www.yelp.com/biz/st-marys-pub-san-francisco
3845 Mission
SF, CA 94110
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
Oh my.
Is that what Grant actually looks like?
AWESOME lol
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
I would.
hell I might even pay.
If Fontenot and Grant looked that much alike he would definitely need to work that for some cash
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
You should see his ass.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 18, 2010 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Like a ripe apple – firm and sweet.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2010 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
And red.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 18, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Half Life eh?
I was never into that game, I’ve always been a Sony guy, for FPS I stick to UT3 and I used to play XIII a lot.
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
Might have to check it out
Gamestop has deals on older games
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
You can probably get it dirt cheap these days. It’s on the Orange Box which also comes with two other games. Quite a steal.
is the gameplay slow like Halo
or is it more UT3 like
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
If I were to compare it to those two games, it’d be more like Halo. It’s a story-driven slower paced FPS, not fast and frantic like UT.
Yeah, I get owned in Halo
I’m used to a much faster pace, you’d think it would be like a batting donut, but its not lol
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
Sounds like you used to play quake
Never been much of a fan of halo it just never lived up to the love I had for CS.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
I did play quake III a bit when I was younger
But UT 2k4 and UT3 later made me a huge fan
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
I played tons of UT and quake 3 when I was younger
Was huge on call of duty when it first came out but then they took out bunny hopping and I quickly jumped on the CS bandwagon.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
bookmark'd
Mark DeRosa is playing exactly the same amount of professional baseball as his adopted father, these days.
Hey, thanks
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
Giants bar
If this works out, I’ll do it weekly when I bartend.
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
Monday Tuesday and Saturday Usually
However the next two weeks Mon. Tues. only. We already have a happy hour Saturdays 9p-10p but if I get alot of mccoven in here I might do it Tuesday as well
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
It would be appreciated
Always love the Giants fans coming in here
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
I might be by some odd saturday or another
Mark DeRosa is playing exactly the same amount of professional baseball as his adopted father, these days.
Make Sure to mention MCC tho
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
Nice, right in the neighborhood.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2010 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Well it was slow last night, perhaps short notice
SO…. Next Monday Night vs. the Reds Anyone who comes in from the McCoven will get $1 off any beer for the entire game 7:15p-the final out!
Again, we have Weefee so bring your laptop
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
awesome.
Proud parent of the new dominant pitching sensation out of San Diego State University.
Like just about everybody on here, I've got a blog now. I hope this gets you to read it, because I'm not going to repost my stuff on here. I know better. So please?
http://saberbythebay.blogspot.com/
I had to look some of these up
Broodle.
TEH INTERNETZ: if you're wondering whether it's worth it, it's not worth it.
by lurkers UNTIE on Aug 17, 2010 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
EXECUTE THEM!
"I don’t think I’ve ever heard a louder chorus of boos than when the Dodgers made the third out of the ninth. It was awesome.." - Aubrey Huff
by EliminateMe on Aug 18, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
BOGUS
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
by ToddCommish on Aug 18, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
numbers=gah.
Proud parent of the new dominant pitching sensation out of San Diego State University.
Like just about everybody on here, I've got a blog now. I hope this gets you to read it, because I'm not going to repost my stuff on here. I know better. So please?
http://saberbythebay.blogspot.com/
So are we still in this thing?
doan worry, poplo loe he team, he wan get berry good for body to play the beisbol
Proud Aussie father of Roberto Kelly
No
But the commercials will be going crazy in about a week or two with kruk being louder than ever.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Shift A
What the fuck happened tonite?
"Everybody loves Basketball-Reference.com. Except the Kobe fans".- DubsFan408
by GovernorStephCurry on Aug 17, 2010 8:55 PM PDT reply actions
Cain'd happened
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
It was 9-4...
"Everybody loves Basketball-Reference.com. Except the Kobe fans".- DubsFan408
by GovernorStephCurry on Aug 17, 2010 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Chris ray happened
Bork decided he couldn’t use anyone else from the pen and tried to let him “gut it out” in a one run game.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
I'm imagining Bochy as child, playing Monopoly, Risk, whatever game, and not EVER figuring out how to win.
I bet I’m not far off.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Imagine a world without brian sabean and bruce bochy.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
All the children with ice cream, candy and no cavities...
Mongooses (Mongeese?) and Cobras thumb wrestling for fun, rain every morning and sunshine every afternoon, and the Giants trophy case filled.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Brian Sabean playing Monopoly as a child would be a pretty funny skit to write.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 18, 2010 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions
"I'll give you Boardwalk for that railroad you mortgaged"
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
by ToddCommish on Aug 18, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Your mom.
"Everybody loves Basketball-Reference.com. Except the Kobe fans".- DubsFan408
by GovernorStephCurry on Aug 17, 2010 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Well I'm done beating up my bed and drowing my pillow with tears,
I’m coolER now (a little). Man that game hurts, we really needed it today, San Diego keeps winning with their lame little small ball technique’s, too bad the Giants can’t learn a thing or two about how to do this.
Please win tomorrow Giants!
Cain, come on pal, shut these Phuckers out!!
Brennan Huff: I have a belly full of white dog crap in me, and now you lay this shit on me?
Not even 200 comments, haha, hopefully no one did anything drastic tonight.
"Notre Dame will win the BCS national championship. Count it." -PiKAgiant
Seriously
I checked the post game thread an hour after the game was over and it was only at 94 comments :(.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
but 2000+ yesterday about how much we hate Guillen.
"Notre Dame will win the BCS national championship. Count it." -PiKAgiant
by HoosierGiant on Aug 17, 2010 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, that thread was for the whole day.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Aug 17, 2010 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
agreed, thank you chopper
"Notre Dame will win the BCS national championship. Count it." -PiKAgiant
by HoosierGiant on Aug 17, 2010 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought for sure with our luck we would get Carpenter and Wainright this weekend and then maybe they would trade for 1999 Pedro Martinez to go Sunday…but we get lucky and we are going to miss Wainright.
Well I can’t say I am missing him, Bob.
"Notre Dame will win the BCS national championship. Count it." -PiKAgiant
not like we can hit Lohse or Westbrook either at this point though.
"Notre Dame will win the BCS national championship. Count it." -PiKAgiant
by HoosierGiant on Aug 17, 2010 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
so we get their 3,4,5 starters? our luck is turning!!!
by curveball3110 on Aug 17, 2010 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions
well we still get carpenter
"Notre Dame will win the BCS national championship. Count it." -PiKAgiant
by HoosierGiant on Aug 17, 2010 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions
SD has a real tough schedule in late Aug/ all of Sep against pretty much PHI, LA, COL, CIN (who they have trouble with) so when we finish our rough stretch they’ll be going into theirs. Except they play for 17 straight games, that is where i think they will falter and go 7-14, while we have a much easier schedule with off days and LA, COL, ARI, MIL (teams we’ve done well against).
I wouldn’t count us out the division, just gotta play .500 ball against SD the final 7 games. And just gotta make it to August 25th with the WC lead and no more than 5 or 6 out.
(trying to look at the bright side if there is one)
Reality
Giants go 25-17 over their last 42 games and miss the playoffs by 3 games and end the season with a 92-70 record and 6 games out of the division. Bill nuekom immediately schedules a press conference and announces he’s committed to brian and bruces winning ways and gives them all the credit for the giants turn around with 5 year extensions on top of their current contracts.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
I hate you for that post
Because it’s probably spot fucking on.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I said I was trying to look at the bright side, douche… just kidding, but seriously, 92 wins should be enough for the WC.
I think the division is gone, then again, we went from 1 game out to 5 out in a span of 8 days, so the reverse could happen as well…
i have faith.
by curveball3110 on Aug 17, 2010 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
You'd think 92 wins would be good enough for the WC
but the way the phillies are playing with ryan howard coming back soon I think they will win at least 94 games. I thought the braves were going to fall off but they have a easy schedule and I think they might hold onto the east which creates an issue for us to say the least.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Aug 17, 2010 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
the braves lost their heart and soul, Chipper. I don’t know how they will fare from here on out- but yes, you’re right, either way we have an uphill battle ahead of us
by curveball3110 on Aug 17, 2010 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Not to mention the reds and cardinals have the two easiest schedules in the MLB from here on out. Must be nice playing the astros, brewers, cubs, and pirates non stop down the stretch.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Aug 17, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
^ that hurts. there is so much disparity between MLB clubs that I would be in favor of floating division alignments.
by curveball3110 on Aug 17, 2010 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
If the Giants win 92 games
Sabean will deserve a lot of credt.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
guillen hit a homerun. bork bork bork.
"Everybody loves Basketball-Reference.com. Except the Kobe fans".- DubsFan408
by GovernorStephCurry on Aug 17, 2010 9:57 PM PDT reply actions
clutch dinger bork bork
Need him in the line up everyday!!!!
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
seriously though
if Panda would have gotten on base before him I think we would have won this game
by 49erEmpire on Aug 17, 2010 10:01 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
If pablo was even half of what he was last year
We’d be in first by a good amount.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Aug 17, 2010 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
our two best players from last year are looking like our two worst. go figure
by curveball3110 on Aug 17, 2010 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Tim has been at least good
He hasn’t been great but he’s won us a good amount of games to spite the horrific command he’s had all season. He’s at least been some of what he was last season where has pablo has been LOL FAIL since april ended.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Aug 17, 2010 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with you on Panda, but Lincecum is different- he’s the staff ace, the stopper, and when he goes downhill, it is a huge blow to the swagger of the team. He was the leader of the staff, the guy who set the tone, and if he can’t be that guy he was over the last 2 years, then he’s got no place. Sure, he’s still got good numbers, but we as fans, along with everyone on the team, expect more from him.
What happens when the General gets killed? his soldiers don’t know where to go. same deal applies here, tims gone, now our staff seems lost.
by curveball3110 on Aug 17, 2010 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure tim has been mediocore but he at least has been dominant at times
Pablo has been horrific all season and to be honest has been a liability to the line up since april ended.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Aug 17, 2010 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
not to mention his defense has taken a turn for the worst. but his hitting seems to be coming around, it appears
he just doesnt gethits when we need them. at this point, the division is our only hope. the pads have to falter at some point
by curveball3110 on Aug 17, 2010 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
His defense has steadily declined since mid may and it’s getting to the point where he should only play first.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Aug 17, 2010 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
i agree. so, panda to first, uribe to 3rd, fontenot to short? sanchez at 2nd? that puts huff OF, which takes guillens place.
by curveball3110 on Aug 17, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Bork will bench the young players hurting the team and go for it
He’ll go with his proven veteran professional hitter line up.
CF Rowand
2B Sanchez
1B Huff
SS Uribe
LF Burrell
RF Guillen
3B Fontenot
C Whiteside
P Cain
Can you say cain’d?
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Aug 17, 2010 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
dude… i was just reading some comments on the sfgate postgame article- I’m depressed right now. just on the surface though. once i look away i forget about baseball, and the let-downs, but man, im just so disappointed right now. rowand, $60 mil to ride pine? zito, 18mil to pitch .500? rent, $9mil to be on the dl all year? im just so let down by this team.
i just wanted, so badly, to see the giants make the playoffs. i just feel like we’ve been sold out by management, straight up scammed.
by curveball3110 on Aug 17, 2010 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I gotta hand it to zito
The giants signed him to be their ace and new franchise icon and help the rebuild. He sucked so bad in 2007 and 2008 that the giants record was so bad they were able to get posey and mad bum. Sure he’s been worthless for the money he’s making but at least he didn’t allow the giants to hover around .500 those two years and end up with jack shit.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Aug 17, 2010 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions
sabean cant even spot talent enough to draft well, posey was dumb luck. how many positional homegrown players (of allstar caliber or better) have we produced? none, since matt williams. how many have come from the bay area and are excelling on other teams?
by curveball3110 on Aug 17, 2010 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Well Sabean didn’t really draft Posey, I think he just OK’d it. John Barr has been doing the drafting for a while and he’s damn good at it.
I've noticed
A shame he didn’t take over sooner.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Aug 18, 2010 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Zito’s W/L record hardly represents how he’s pitched this year.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces strained obliques
by Giant among Angels on Aug 18, 2010 5:20 AM PDT up reply actions
New Fans
Hi…This is Edelweiss from Chicago. In the past week, lots of Cubs fans have become Giants fans. Even tho’ Fontenot was our favorite Cubbie, we were glad to see him go to a team that wants to win. There were, (and are) things going on in the Cubs organization, that would curdle your blood. Beat the crap out of them next month!!!
you know
I always did think of The Chicago Cubs as the San Francisco Giants of the East Coast (well, technically central)
by 49erEmpire on Aug 17, 2010 10:03 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Pretty much
Both extremely deprived of competent GM’s.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Aug 17, 2010 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
both with no world series title since the days dinosaurs roamed the Earth
by 49erEmpire on Aug 17, 2010 10:16 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
There’s a good chance the giants will not best my prediction of a 4-14 record against the padres this year which hurts my brain.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Aug 17, 2010 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
@ 2 more wins lol, why are you so optomistic? we cant even hit Leblanc!
Its not easy being a giants fan
I made the 4-14 prediction after the mat latos 1 hitter
I was being extremely sarcastic at the time knowing that wouldn’t happen but wow not so much anymore.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Aug 17, 2010 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
im gonna make a bold prediction and say we take 3 of 4 from the pads in petco because their pitching has to regress at some point.
either that, or they are that good and seasons done. without the pads fading at all, or even having a bad stretch, were done.
by curveball3110 on Aug 17, 2010 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
People need to laugh
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Aug 17, 2010 10:29 PM PDT reply actions
your negativity is killing this site
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
"You can shake a dozen glove men out of a tree, but the bat separates the men from the boys." - Washington Senators First baseman Dale Long
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Sharks scare the crap out of me, but not for that reason
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- Republik of Mancunia
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
by Useful_Idiot on Aug 17, 2010 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
reeks even
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
"You can shake a dozen glove men out of a tree, but the bat separates the men from the boys." - Washington Senators First baseman Dale Long
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
That game was stupid and it smelled bad and had bad teeth.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
kinda like my brothers last 3 girlfriends
by curveball3110 on Aug 17, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
this game was a terratoma?
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
"You can shake a dozen glove men out of a tree, but the bat separates the men from the boys." - Washington Senators First baseman Dale Long
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Austin Powers?
I hate the Dodgers, Patriots, Dolphins, and terroirsts
by GiantsfaninNY55 on Aug 17, 2010 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
And it dressed funny.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2010 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't know why but tonight's game was a "meh" to me
Maybe it’s because I expected the Giants to lose.
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Uggh
first of all that game sucked, I am still on my company retreat and my coworker has MLB tv and I tried to watch it and after Zito got roughed up I almost threw up.
second, hard knocks is actually pretty cool, but I am a biased Jets fan
and third, company retreats blow
I hate the Dodgers, Patriots, Dolphins, and terroirsts
by GiantsfaninNY55 on Aug 17, 2010 11:14 PM PDT reply actions
and Jose Guillen looked faster on his HR trot than his should be triple
douchenugget!
I hate the Dodgers, Patriots, Dolphins, and terroirsts
by GiantsfaninNY55 on Aug 17, 2010 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions
This
His performance in that game pretty much sealed the deal for the starting RF job the rest of the season. Bork had already come to the conclusion after the line drive out and the line drive single the dinger was just icing on the cake to make him think he’s a genius.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Aug 17, 2010 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
company retreat?
oh, man. that sounds worse than terrible
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by GiantsfaninNY55 on Aug 18, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
What a time for the starting pitchers to slump
0-8. Consistenly not getting through the 6th and a high era to boot over the last 10 or so. We keep talking about Guillen etc. But the team depends on good starting pitching. It needs to turn around fast. Time for Cain to step up and be the stopper.
even if the pitching does, how do we make up the lost ground? we’re 5 out, while SD plays lollypop teams, we face winners. we would have to play 10 games MORE over .500 than SD is currently playing, just to force a tie. so why not beat them head-to-head, you ask? we suck against them. bad.
where can we make up that lost ground?
by curveball3110 on Aug 17, 2010 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions
anyone else feel just completely sold out my management of the giants? we all invest our time, emotions, money, etc to root for our team, only to feel at the end that we were scammed. sure theres been good times, but I for one, feel so let down.
it would be one thing if we were losing while but developing young players, but every year they say “this is the year” but no, the constant signings of over-the-hill players for massive money, preventing young players from even getting at-bats, just feels like we’re being sold cheap goods.
i just wanted, so badly, for our team to make the playoffs. yeah a championship would be so great, but im tired of being let down.
theres nothing worse, i think, than someone being disappointed in you. i feel we’ve been played.
This is silly talk
I get to watch a rotation with 4/5 very talented home-grown pitchers in the early parts of their careers.
I get to watch one of the best young catchers in the majors, drafted and developed by our management.
I get to watch four regular players who the rest of the league had given up on play the best baseball of their lives.
I’m extremely satisfied with the team that the front office has put on the field this year.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
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I’m tempted to not watch any of the games in the next three series. But I know I will.
"Bengie Molina - the quintessential double play possibility." - Jon MIller
after the last 20 years, im tempted to say fuck this team for good. i spent my childhood watching losers lose, over and over again. then, in 2002, i believed. i believed, man. and i was let down big time. no wonder no big name players want to come to SF. im sure we’ve got a terrible rep around the league as a team NOT committed to winning a championship.
fucking “band-aid” sabean.
by curveball3110 on Aug 17, 2010 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions
why is this board dead tonight? because everyone is grieving over the death of another promising season down the drain. please, giants, prove me wrong. but you wont.
by curveball3110 on Aug 17, 2010 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Whatever. I was having fun without you. Yeah.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 18, 2010 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Ouch. More like McSnubbedme Chronicles.
/goes home and plays Tatsunoku vs. Capcom alone.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 18, 2010 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions
SO BAD I CAN TASTE IT
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2010 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
was on the guest list this time, yo, parties off the hook
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Our commercials suck. They make Giants fans look like a bunch of wave-starting, fair weather, here-for-the-garlic-fries, happy-to-be-“in-this-thing” tools. It’s like our marketing team is aspiring for us to become Dodger fans.
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Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- Republik of Mancunia
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
So I watched the Giants game, and that sucked. And then I watched Scott Pilgrim, and that didn’t suck. Which is good, because I don’t think I could have handled that much sucking in one night.
I can’t think of a way to clean that sentence up right now, so whatever.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
I mentioned this on twitter, but seriously, if the giants truly want to be in the playoffs they better start playing like they deserve to be in it, because this past week or so has been lackluster. Not saying they’re helpless, but what i’ve seen the last week has been ALOT different from how they were playing throughout July… So all i’m saying is that if they want in the playoffs? Then play like it because it’s right there for the taking
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Sports are funny
When a team wins it shows they have a lot of heart and want to win. But when they lose fans think they just don’t care and aren’t putting forth the effort.
Sometimes, you just get outplayed, have a rough stretch, etc.
Sure, this is true, just saying though, a playoff birth is there for the taking, they just have to hang around contention until september is all i’m saying. But i’m not freaking out yet…. and hopefully they can turn it around come september
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
plus basically they’ve been outplayed the last few weeks
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
True, but they’ve definitely looked on a few occasions that they’ve been outplayed, against the pads, tonight, and a few games against the Cubs, plus the one stat that worries me is the stat concerning starting pitching where they haven’t won a game in however many games
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Ha, ok, i can agree with you there, sloppy
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Plus basically they've been outplayed the last few weeks
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- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 6:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I’d like to be 3 or 4 games out of the division max but there’s still 42 games left.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Aug 18, 2010 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions
We were what? 7.5 back at the beginning of July? I all but thought the season was over, but in baseball hot and cold streaks happen all the time. Except for the Padres.
7.5 out beginning of july. now 5 out halfway thru august. we were 1 out 10 days ago. perhaps that shows how quickly things can change, but that also has put us in a huge hole. we would need to play 10 games over .500 BETTER than the Padres for the rest of the season. say the pads play .500 ball the rest of the way (which they won’t) we’d still need to go 26-16 to tie. not to mention the head to head that they will smoke us in.
we spent july playing sub .500 teams. our record against those sub .500 teams is 36-12, while above .500 teams is 31-41. for comparison, everyone else in contention or leading divisions in the NL play .500 or better ball against above .500 teams.
im trying to stay upbeat, i really am, but damn, im hurting right now. yes, theres the WC, but CIN/STL play the pirates, brewers, cubs, astros all sep while we play much tougher teams so the WC will be real, real tough. then theres ATL/PHI to deal with if it comes to the WC.
please, prove me wrong Giants. Please.
by curveball3110 on Aug 18, 2010 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Padres are below .500 against teams above .500 IIRC correctly, and most of their success (and our failures) are against us.
Besides I don’t like looking at those type of numbers, because not many teams have changed as much as the Giants have through this season. I’m still not too worried because I believe this team is still good enough to get into October. Perhaps we need a bit of luck, but if I’m right things will take care of themselves. If we’re 3+ out of a playoff position beginning in September I’ll be seriously concerned. But now on August 18th, 1 game back.
pads are a game over .500 against winning teams.
and yeah, now on august 18th, 1 out, but we play 8 more against winning teams. the time to change is now, or we’re done. worst possible time to slump.
by curveball3110 on Aug 18, 2010 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions
By the way, Mega Man 9 is insane.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
God, just watching the no-death run on youtube is exhausting.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 18, 2010 1:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I love delmon young
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=11082995
Suck it Pierzynski to bad you couldn’t have stopped that trade from happening.
Also LOL @ hawk harelson that homers getting riled up talk about unprofessional commentary.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Really?
I find that hard to believe thats very ungiant of him.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Aug 18, 2010 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions
something else?
Buster Posey has yet to actually SUCK in his MLB career
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
"suck gland" interesting...
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
interesting, especially when i clicked on the “Images”
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
There was some weird pictures of… well, there are kids here on MCC so i wont say
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
The diversity of results is quite interesting
From a dude flexing, to a rabbit’s gums, ESPN broadcasters, a bicycle and then various other inappropriate images.
wait… you actually clicked on the image tab?
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I dunno, you're just weird i guess
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
More amazing posey facts
He’s 5th in the majors among WAR for catchers.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
after missing the first two months too, haha.
he will be gone in a few years if the front office doesn’t commit to winning.
by curveball3110 on Aug 18, 2010 1:21 AM PDT up reply actions
cause he is a straight up winner, and he deserves a winning team.
by curveball3110 on Aug 18, 2010 1:21 AM PDT up reply actions
So what are you telling me?
That Buster Posey is good at the game of baseball? Because I think you might be on to something.
We need a second baseman who can hit.
Real bad :(
trade Janchez for Uggla this offseason, if the deal would still be up
by curveball3110 on Aug 18, 2010 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Not even to that extent though. Just a guy who can get on base and with any power at all
by BrianIsAwesome on Aug 18, 2010 1:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Jeff Kent, NERB!
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t see that happening. A Fontenot/Sanchez platoon doesn’t really bother me too much right now though. Although our production there has been bad, we definitely have bigger problems.
It’s still a pretty big problem though. The line up is way too top heavy without Sanchez in the 2 spot. Someone need to be able to get on base for Posey and Huff to drive home. Batting them 2-3 doesn’t really to a ton of good
by BrianIsAwesome on Aug 18, 2010 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I disagree, I think Posey is right where he needs to be. I really don’t have any complaints with the lineup at the moment; 5 pretty good hitters 1-5, Uribe is decent enough for a SS and then there are a couple weak links at the bottom. If the pitchers are pitching like they can then it isn’t a problem.
Thats true. I guess the weird lineup changes are being exaggerated because the pitching has been so bad lately.
by BrianIsAwesome on Aug 18, 2010 1:39 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s still a bummer though that all that money is going to F. Sanchez when he could be replaced by almost anyone for the league minimum.
by BrianIsAwesome on Aug 18, 2010 1:40 AM PDT up reply actions
How is the free agent list for middle infielders this off season? Who is the #1 to replace Rentaria?
by BrianIsAwesome on Aug 18, 2010 1:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I imagine Uribe will be the best available.
"There was hatred. And then they had some hatred. And then there was some more hatred. And then the Giants win. Woo hoo!" - Krukow
I’m not sure Uribe is the answer. He’s definitely one of my favorite players, but aside from the really hot first few months of the season, he hasn’t been great.
It just seems like there are too many guys who could be replaced for a lot less, but I guess that’s why being a GM is probably a lot tougher than it seems. You just never know
by BrianIsAwesome on Aug 18, 2010 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions
He's not
Nor is edgar renteria and the fact that sabean came into the season with him being his starting everyday SS just shows how brutal his incompetence is.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
You really just talk out of your ass non stop
The shortstop market is thin, period. Good hitting shortstops are VERY rare. When Renteria was signed, we had NO one who could play shortstop, and Renteria was probably the best person in that market.
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My Son
One time batting champion, hater!
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Giants would like a good hitting second baseman...but you can't have a perfect lineup
Go down the line for the Giants:
C: Posey (top 5 in MLB)
1B: Huff (top 5 in MLB at least this year)
CF: Torres (top 5-10 in MLB)
LF: Burrell (one of the hottest hitters)
3B: Pablo (disappointing)
SS: Uribe/Rent (serviceable)
RF: Guillen/Nate (bad)
2B: Sanchez/Fontenot (good glove/hitting is okay)
Not a bad lineup…
And 22nd in all of MLB in OPS+
For reference, Atlanta is 9th, San Diego is 13th, and St. Louis is 8th.
Can't just look at the offense...
How is our pitching at OPS against?
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
by ToddCommish on Aug 18, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't see an OPS+ against stat at Baseball Reference
But in OPS against, the Giants staff is 6th best in the league.
That's kinda my point...
We’re the baseball equivalent of the ‘85 Bears. We’re usually very good at STOPPING you from scoring, but we won’t score very much either. Which is a major reason why Panda needs to be sat down until he can get his shit together. Right now, he’s an average-to-below-average offensive player, and a below-average defensive player, especially for a corner IF.
Defensively, he is costing us baserunners or runs EVERY SINGLE GAME.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
by ToddCommish on Aug 18, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I can't disagree with that
Problem is, he had a little hot streak recently, which means Bochy’s probably lengthened the leash considerably.
You know when the spirits of MCC have been dashed. Only 3 pics posted – torture, video game and Grant.
Crazy Crab despised in the 20th century and beloved in the 21st century. Hey it only took over 20 years, so don't give up hope.
I think you can kiss the division good-bye now. The Pads are playing too well…they get 3 hits tonight and win on the road. Unbelievable.
Cain needs a shutdown start tonight. Almost a must win tonight because I don’t like the Sanchez vs Hamels matchup tomorrow the way those two guys are throwing.
And Giants, try not to embarrass yourselves tonight on ESPN so all the East coast media snobs can have a field day..Play some respectable ball tonight!
"I'm no stranger to this place, where real life and dreams collide.
And even though I fall from grace (in the NL West), I will keep the dream alive-->" (A World Series Championship in SF) -Oasis
by orange and black on Aug 18, 2010 6:24 AM PDT reply actions
Am I misremembering? or… have the Giants really only used 6 starting pitchers all season? -the current 5 and Mehllemeyer?
I think Joey started a few games.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 18, 2010 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/SFG/2010.shtml
Overplayed memes:
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by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
That's generally a good thing...
teams without good starters are the ones who have to find “new” pitchers in the rotation…
it's something to chew on for the OMG Sanchez sucks crowd
most teams’ 4th and 5th starters aren’t good enough to hold a job all season.
Mark DeRosa is playing exactly the same amount of professional baseball as his adopted father, these days.
We should call up John Bowke...
what, he got traded?
OH MAN! He looks a lot better than Guillen, and his SSS stats seem promising
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by GiantsfaninNY55 on Aug 18, 2010 9:22 AM PDT reply actions
Did anyone else notice Guillens throw to homeplate?
Do was about 40 feet from the infield and throw the ball straight into the ground by the mound.
Also, the Giants knew that I wouldn’t be there last night, so the saved their two wins for the next two games, both of which I will at!
Overplayed memes:
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Also, also. Sorry MissingBarry, that extra ticket I told I might have is taken.
Overplayed memes:
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by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I think the negativity is justified
We’re fighting with 2 other teams for one Wild Card Spot. And I just don’t see us catching the Padres.
Okay...
the key issue is that we are in it..
considering
1) our starters are struggling a bit and yet we are still 14 over .500
2) SD is playing out of their minds
3) there are 40+ games left in the season
I think we are doing pretty good.
Giants are not always in it...
heck we haven’t been in it for a few years…
The Giants are built around pitching…more importantly…starting pitching…Starters have not performed up to par/as expected especially Timmy…
The Giants will be fine if their starters become one of the best in baseball again…if not, the Giants will have little chance to do anything.
The lineup is much better than last year…even with Panda slumping.
August 17, 2009 lineup
Eugenio Velez
Freddy Sanchez
Pablo Sandoval
Bengie Molina
Ryan Garko 1B
Randy Winn RF
Aaron Rowand CF
Edgar Renteria SS
August 17, 2010 lineup
Torres
Posey
Huff
Burrell
Sandoval
Guillen
Uribe
Fontenot
We are "in it" but this from Baggs last night really sent me into negative land
Against teams with winning records? Well, they aren’t getting obliterated. But they haven’t played nearly well enough.
They are 31-41 after falling apart in the eighth inning and losing 8-3 at Philadelphia tonight.
Here are the other NL first- and second-place clubs’ records against teams over .500:
Braves 34-31
Cardinals 31-24
Phillies 38-33
Reds 24-28
Padres 32-31
Of all the NL contenders, the Giants are the worst against teams over .500.
Giants stats are definitely skewed by their 2-9 record against SD
If the series was 6-5 we would be 35-37 and SD would be 28-35
Otherwise, Giants are:
2-1 v. Cards
2-2 v. Reds
3-4 v. ATL
2-2 v. Philly
Pretty even to me…
And if we were 0-4 versus the Reds and Phillies our record would be worse
Seems like a silly argument when I put it that way right?
No...
As we talked about before about SD…2-9 is weird line for SD v. Giants in light of the number of 1 run games…
It may be true that SD is that much better than the Giants but the games show that the teams are about equally…SD has just gotten better bounces.
If wishes and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a wonderful Christmas
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
This, amongst other things.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
What?
The starters are the ones who are letting the team down…check out the IP by the starters in August…it’s awful.
Yet, they are still comfortably atop the majors in ERA+
Anyone who thought the Giants could replicate last year’s performance is crazy – but they are still a damn good pitching staff.
ERAs are somewhat misleading
if you don’t make in past the 5th inning and burn through your bullpen…
Giants pitching staff in the past 2 weeks:
5-7 with a 4.58 ERA
Past week:
2-3 with a 5.28 ERA
Yeah, but
Every pitching staff is going to have streaks where they struggle. And this staff overall has been excellent again this season.
The offense is migrating to the place many of us thought it would be. So why blame the pitching staff? Yes, they need to pitch better, but maybe the offense needs to carry them for a bit.
Well, they insisted on keeping JSanch rather than improving the offense
So, instead of reducing to a pennant-winning caliber pitching staff while we could’ve improved to a better offense, they stayed pat on offense (i’m not counting Guillen as a significant move)
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
by ToddCommish on Aug 18, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
My point with that comment was that you just can't go saying IF this and IF that to make an argument.
Facts are facts and the Giants in actual fact, ifs and buts notwithstanding, have a 31-41 record against teams that are above .500, and they have, in fact, sucked out loud against the Padres, BABIP, ifs and buts, bad luck, bad star alignment, whatever excuse can be found nothwithstanding.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
And only one game ahead of last year's pace and playing poorly
I will agree that this isn’t the end of the world – and that this team has had a few mini-slumps this season and have bounced back every time.
However, there’s also a good chance that the chickens are coming home to roost – namely, an overachieving mediocre offensive team is regressing to a normal mediocre offensive team.
Not unless you are Red Sox or the Yankees
Most teams rely on one side of the equation or another…
ATL: Pitching
SD: Pitching
Reds: Hitting
STL: Pitching
Phil: More balanced but for now: Pitching
Yankees: Both
TB: Both (the only surprise)
Texas: Both earlier in the year…now neither
Min/White Sox: Average for both…
Of course you still have to be “good” to be in the playoffs, but Giants are just above the league average in runs scored and 4th in ERA.
It seems to me that you're on the truth trail here.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Ooooooooooooh!!!!
Hang on to your hats everybody!!!
A Brett Favre press conference is scheduled for later today.
I will play and be paid millions of dollars.
/Signs contract
//walks off stage, twists ankle and is out for season.
Overplayed memes:
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by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t like to root for people to get injured… but if Favre and Tebow were to like run into each other and spontaneously combust, I wouldn’t cry.
One plays on his fear of God and the other thinks he is God.
Overplayed memes:
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by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
If I were standing next to them drinking a large iced tea I would think about my ability to quench the flames with my delicious drink,
And then guzzle the rest of it down to the ice cubes.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess he was jealous of LeBron stealing his attention.
Overplayed memes:
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by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
It's unfortunate that there hasn't been a week long hype build-up to Favre's press conference, just so that EVERYONE on earth would be informed.
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by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Frustrating
Sorry, but why are we supposed to believe this is a fluke? Get me a statistician, and have him analyze the statistical significance of this. Is the sample size too small, or is the difference between their typical performance w/ 2-O&RISP something we should accept as a real characteristic? If so, what is cause vs. correlation?
After 120 games of this, are we suddenly supposed to believe we’ll see a regression to a mean? See http://saberlibrary.com/principles/regression/.
I get a little tired of attributing seemingly frequent events to “bad luck” simply because Baseball Prospectus hasn’t proven otherwise just yet. Somebody crunch the numbers, and give me statistical significance and correlation coefficients.
Hypothesizing that it means nothing is as valid as extracting meaning from the meaningless. There are formulas to figure this out. Unfortunately, I don’t have time to apply them right now… but I want proof.
"Mike Laga will make you forget about every power hitter that ever lived." - Sparky Anderson
“the difference between their typical performance w/ 2-O&RISP”
should read
“the difference between their typical performance at the plate and their performance w/ 2-O&RISP
"Mike Laga will make you forget about every power hitter that ever lived." - Sparky Anderson
For the record...
462 AB w/RISP&2-Out = 11.3% of their total at-bats this season.
BA is .208 vs. .260 in ALL ab (20% lower)
OPS is .641 vs. .731 in ALL ab (12% lower)
The null hypothesis is “difference is due to chance.” Somebody assign a p-value, and have at it.
"Mike Laga will make you forget about every power hitter that ever lived." - Sparky Anderson
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