Giants/Phillies series preview
by Grant Brisbee on Aug 17, 2010 1:16 PM PDT
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PrintThe Giants are coming off of a disappointing, if predictable, series against the Padres, and they could use a little luck. Not much, just a little something to help with th…
Chase Utley finished his minor league rehab assignment Monday and will be activated from the disabled list on Tuesday.
Okay. Fine. Be that way, luck.
So here it is. The gauntlet.
"Pablo needs food!" "This rally…is about to die!"
No, no. The gauntlet of games against first- and second-place teams. First the Phillies, then the Cardinals. Then the Reds, and then the…well, then the Diamondbacks, so I guess it’s a three-team, nine-game gauntlet. After that, it gets easier, what with 53,032 more games against the Padres, 424,323 against the Rockies, and 213,466,917-1 against the Dodgers. Those should all be stress-free, jolly affairs, so let’s focus all of our worrying on this stretch of games.
First, the Phillies. Never forget. Brian Wilson came in to protect a three-run lead with one out and a runner on, and the Phillies single/walk/blooped their way to a tie game. Then they HBP/bunt/wild-pitched their way to a lead. And right as the Giants were able to claw back, Eugenio Velez. The Giants were even able to claw back again, but then Eugenio Velez. It was probably the worst game of the season, non-Padres divison.
I want that game back. I want one of these games to crush the Phillies’ spirits in that inimitable soul-spindling way. I want Pat Burrell to hit a ninth-inning grand slam against Brad Lidge, and run around the bases while pointing at Raul Ibanez and screaming obscenities. I want Cody Ransom to boot the ground ball that gives the Giants the lead in the eleventh, and I want him to strikeout with the bases loaded in the bottom half of the inning. Sure, he’s not on the roster any more, but I want the Giants to find a way to make this happen anyways. There needs to be some sort of cosmic atonement for that awful, miserable game.
I want a lot of things, actually. Probably not going to get many of them. I’d really, really like at least two out of three. They don’t need to be especially humiliating losses, either. The Phillies are a good team. I’d feel more comfortable about the Giants if they could beat a good team on the road. I also want a PS3 while you’re at it.
Hitter to watch:
Chase Utley is good. Don’t watch him. He’ll just break your heart. Don’t watch Shane Victorino, either. He’ll make you sterile. Science. I don’t like watching any of these guys, to be honest. They’re a cornucopia of talented and annoying hitters. The ones you don’t want to punch are probably the best of the bunch. The ones you do want to punch might not have the shiniest statistics, but they will kill you with dinks and singles.
And yes, I realize I’m 150 pounds of fury writing about punching grown oxen in the face. It’s a metaphor, people. It’s my way of expressing that I don’t particularly care for these players. I don’t really want to punch them.
Oh. Oh, god. I take that back.
Pitcher to watch:
Not Roy Halladay. That’s all I care about. Well, there’s also room for Cole Hamels, who has been getting cained on a regular basis. He has a 7-9 record with a 3.33 ERA, and he’s winless in his last six starts (2.14 ERA, 50 K in 42 IP). If he started against Matt Cain, it would be the baseball equivalent of dividing by zero. I don’t even think Bud Selig would allow that matchup.
Prediction:
I’ll overreact to a series loss, and I’ll minimize a series win because there’s still a long way to go. Also, I predict that I’ll never get over that loss in April. If I close my eyes, I can see Werth’s bloop nestle gently in the grass as Phillie after Phillie run around the bases. Also also, I predict that I’ll never forgive the good folks from Atari for making your health automatically decline just for walking around in "Gauntlet." What a quarter-sucking scam.
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and so it begins
Torres CF
Posey C
Huff 1B
Burrell LF
Sandoval 3B
Guillen RF
Uribe SS
Fontenot 2B
Zito P.
"There he goes. One of god's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
Torres CF
Posey C
Huff 1B
Burrell LF
Sandoval 3B
!!
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I like Hawaiian.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Guillen is opossum brain.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
He’s really not THAT much worse (if at all) than the other available options.
Though I wouldn’t mind playing Nate because Phily HATES him.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
I’d go with definitely “at all” worse than the other options, but I do think you’re right that he’s not that much worse. But he is worse! And it represents the same horrible strategy! Arrggghhhh! Rabble rabble rabble rabble!
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
well
my thinking is this:
We know Guillen’s better than Nate with the bat (I really don’t know why all the projection systems love him so much), and have a fair amount of confidence how much. We know that Nate’s better than Guillen with the glove. How much…well that’s another matter. According to wOBA, Guillen is about 15 runs/season better with the bat than Nate over his career (and his season to date is pretty in line with his career). I’m willing to accept the mass of data we have on Guillen playing D and call him ~ a -5 run defender. Nate is really good, but I’m not willing to call him more than a +10 defender, which would put him as one of the best defensive RFs in the league. So….a wash there.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
I guess I see 3 things. 1.) I think the ~15 run difference in fielding is probably pretty accurate. Guillen might be worse than -5, he might not be. Nate might not be quite +10, but I think he’s pretty close – he’s better than Rowand, who’s still close to average in CF I think, and an average CF is +10 in RF. I think +15 for Nate is pretty reasonable overall. 2.) I don’t think the difference in their bat is -15. I see Guillen as somewhere around -5, Nate at -10 to -15 or so. 3.) With Nate, you can take advantage of platoon splits.
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
well
the 15 run thing is based off their career wRC+ to date (from what I can tell, 1 point of wRC+ ~1 batting run over a full season)
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
as far as D
I have a LOT of trouble calling someone anything more than a 10 run defender without a lot (5+ seasons at least) of evidence.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
I did mean +15 over Guillen, rather than +15 for a RF. I think your take is very reasonable.
I will also note that if Nate’s shoulder is affecting him, that drops my outlook on his hitting considerably. I’d still prefer Ishikawa anyways.
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
ah i see
yeah I’m with you for the most part. I wouldn’t mind an Ish/Rowand platoon at all. I don’t know why they felt the need to trade for Guillen, I just don’t think his presence is actually going to affect how the team does significantly.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
I don't know if this is part of the reason...
But I remember a game a couple of weeks ago where the Giants needed a RH pinch hitter and ended up sending Whiteside up to the plate for an Atlee-esque strikeout. Seriously, if Rowand starts, who is your RH pinch hitter… Renteria?
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
Guillen makes sense as a PH. The problem is that’s not what we acquired him to do.
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
It is true, even if we think going to Guillen is a 1 WAR downgrade (which is probably on the large end), over the course of a month and a half, we’re talking what, 3 runs maybe?
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Guillen is slower
than a nun with a ferret jawed to her ankle.
Rooting for the Yankees is like cheering the tanks at Tianamen Square.
Guillen is the rat turd you saw after your fourth bite of the pizza
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Guillen is like raiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin
On your wedding day.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
Wouldn’t that be ironic?
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs.
dontcha think?
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I like it
I’m glad Fontenot is getting starts vs RHP.
And CBP has a tiny outfield, so I’m not as worried about Guillen.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
I actually like this lineup, given available options
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Cowbell, perhaps?
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Nate or Travis > Guillen
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
meh
it’s all so meh
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Great defense is not meh!
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
mediocre bats are though
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Not impressing me at all really…
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I DONT CARE
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Good, cuz i dont really care bout YOU either
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
by the way, i'm better than you
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
MY DAD CAN BEAT UP UR DAD
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Yea... my dad went to state in wrestling in high school
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Well, my dad went to UNIVERSE in wrestling forever.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
by the way i'll be out in Cincy Saturday, BACK TO THE HEAT AND HUMIDITY!!!
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
True, but I think you’ve missed the worst of it. Jcb9 and I were comparing heat indexes the other day (tee hee), and they weren’t all that dissimilar.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
HAHA, oh shit, well i checked and it looks like the weather is getting better, slightly
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Oh, do come to San Antonio then
102 and very humid. So nice.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
/forgets the Alamo
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
DAMNIT! WHAT DID I TELL YOU?
Joe Mauer is from Minnesota. My adopted son, RHP Steve Edlefsen, is from Minnesota. Joe Mauer is very good at baseball. Call up Steve Edlefsen, Giants! Science™ is begging you.
Don't worry
It is probably right where he left it
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 17, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
well.. i think i'm enjoying the great heat on the
drive back, Fresno today, Vegas tomorrow, Denver, then St. louis
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Oh man, that will be fun. Stop and get some Three-Floyds while in Indiana!
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
three-floyds?
hmmmm… not too sure what that is
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
It’s a spectacular brewery in northern Indiana. For some reason they don’t distribute in Ohio, so you gotta cross the border to get it.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Dallas Heat Index today: 111
The Magic is inside all of us.
Proud father of the man taking your hard-earned money.
The two funkiest animal in the barnward?
Brownchickenbrowncow
St. Louis BBQ, and a team fanbase I’ve heard is the best.
Besides the Bay Area, I mean.
But Stan Musial…….
Rooting for the Yankees is like cheering the tanks at Tianamen Square.
I love all BBQ
and now that I’m back in Aptos, I’ve got a smoker.
Rooting for the Yankees is like cheering the tanks at Tianamen Square.
LOL
Bag of balls > Nate or Travis
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
by rxmeister on Aug 17, 2010 1:31 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Unfortunately, Nate or Travis still > Guillen…. :(
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Heck even Rowand is probably a better option (Grant’s blog that Rowand shouldn’t play v RHP aside)
As much as I don’t like playing Ishi cuz it pushes Huff to the OF with Burrell, playing Guillen out there is worse! You have a Water Buffalo and an elephant out there. Ugh.
Sometimes I think these guys forget that D does count for something.
Oh well, Maybe Guillen can hit a few HRs in that bandbox.
So this Guillen thing is really happening. =/
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 17, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
GOOD, Nate>Guillen i think, maybe
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
The direction of your sign does not make sense with the statement “GOOD”…..
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmmm
Torres CF
Posey C
Huff RF
Burrell LF
Sandoval 3B
Uribe SS
Fontenot 2B
Ishikawa 1B
or
Torres CF
Posey C
Huff 1B
Burrell LF
Sandoval 3B
Uribe SS
Fontenot 2B
Nate RF
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
Door #2, please.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
TWSS
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs.
lol
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 17, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
By the way, your sig is TRULY EXCELLENT!!
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I stole it from a comment hokysmokebbqwtflulz made a few weeks ago.
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs.
Oh shit I should probably give him credit for the quote huh?
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs.
That would show proper etiquette.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 17, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
There. I fixed it. i think I spelled the name wrong but whatever.
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
I applaud the effort.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 17, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember the comment, I'd forgotten who wrote it
But of course, I should have been able to guess.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
if only chauncey
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
honestly
I think he’s the best of the available options
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Against lefties, Rowand. Against righties, Ishikawa.
by Grant Brisbee on Aug 17, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Taking defense into account
Nate > Ishikawa
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
I figured it was about the same or Travis was a little better
I would like to talk to you about my pokemonz
Right but
Ishi at 1B means Huff in RF
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
Thats just positional disadvantage
Travis is a better defender at his position
I would like to talk to you about my pokemonz
But 1B defense is less important than RF
Nate RF + Huff 1B > Huff RF + Ishi 1B
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
But Nate’s like a full win worse with the bat than Travis over a full season
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
meh, offensively for both....
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
well the difference is
Travis is bad for a 1B, Nate’s bad for a corner OF.
If I had to pick between the two of them, I go for the wild kingdom D.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
I really doubt this
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
I’m not so sure, Depends on what you think of Nate as a hitter. Our defense is better with Nate out there, agreed.
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
And I thought the Burrell, Torres, Huff outfield was going to be bad.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 17, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
this one
will be about the same.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
I dunno, I did initially think that, but man Guillen was slow running the bases! Huff is definitely faster than that!
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
meh
I’ll take 10+ years of defensive data, as questionable as the exact numbers may be, over one play, not even in the field, where he was slow.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
I’m not interested in what his defense was like 5-10 years ago.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
oddly enough
a full 1/2 of his career total negative UZR value was racked up in 1997
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
and
if you just go by the last 5 years, he comes out…..wait for it….about the same.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Yes, however, a couple of points. One – at his age, we should expect him to be slowly declining defensively, something that takes time to show up in the defensive stats. Two – there’s still enough uncertainty in the defensive stats that an adjustment of maybe 3 runs or something probably wouldn’t put us outside of the expected variance. So….it’s a grey area.
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah
that’s my main problem with the defensive stats, WAY too much variance. I mean hell, just look at Guillen. The funny thing is, if you take out his first (age 21) season, and then regress his remaining career for aging, you end up probably right around his career total.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
I’m okay with it.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 17, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Eh, once you resign yourself to Guillen, it’s not so bad.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 17, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Rephrased
Once you’re dead inside, nothing really hurts that much.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
Yeah, I must sound like a Royals fan right now.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 17, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
probably shouldn’t stoop that low
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Resigned to rooting for Jose Guillen?
That’s been the life of a Royals fan for the last two and a half years.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
LOL ROWNADS
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 17, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
2 MORE YEARS 2 MORE YEARS 2 MORE YEARS
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 17, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Two years from now:
/Rowand gets reelected for a second term
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 17, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Or, regular elected for a second term. Reelected in general. Stupid words.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 17, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
CHANGE ups YOU CAN’t BELIEVE he swung at
fixed.
Boo
by LosGigantesTodoElTiempo on Aug 17, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s not change. Thats more of the same.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Deja vu!
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs.
Buh?
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 17, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
nevermind, making a senseless comment for the sake of making a comment
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
sure! Likewise with Sabean’s trades
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 17, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Making a general comment here (not picking on you pika) but why do people abbreviate you. It’s two more letters!
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 17, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
the raw number of letters isn't really relavant
it’s the rate stat that matters here. That’s a 66.67% reduction in letters typed.
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Eh. I get it but the letters are pretty much right next to each other.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 17, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I wasn’t being serious
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
"You can shake a dozen glove men out of a tree, but the bat separates the men from the boys." - Washington Senators First baseman Dale Long
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
I pretty much only do it when I’m texting or on twitter, because there are character limits there
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
This is true. I don’t know, just ignore me. This is my own personal vendetta against abbreviation and internet speak.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 17, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
SRSLY? OMGWTF?
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs.
how do you feel about the ampersand?
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
"You can shake a dozen glove men out of a tree, but the bat separates the men from the boys." - Washington Senators First baseman Dale Long
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
The Monkey?
He’s awesome, but kind of a Macguffin at times in Y the Last Man.
Proud of both my adopted son, Baggs, and my ward, Ryan LOLlis.
And even then, it’s not really flagrant.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 17, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
If I can’t tweet something using real words, I don’t tweet it.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 17, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Only when he is hungry
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 17, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
He has a tweet tooth.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 17, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I like to think that I tweet my poos, but in practice it doesn’t happen. I had a perfect J the other week. I really should have tweeted that.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 17, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
@Howie Nice going. Did you have to push at all or was it pretty easy?
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
It was easy. check out the twitpic #lookatmypoo.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 17, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Just having fun.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 17, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
You’re right. Royals fans right now don’t have to resign themselves to Guillen.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 17, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
As much as I despise the Guillen acquisition,
this is probably the best offensive lineup we can put out there. Doesn’t mean it is the best team we can put on the field though. And I am actually pretty happy with the batting order as well.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
I’m quite confident Ishikawa > Guillen offensively against a RHP.
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree
Especially since Guillen has a crappy history against Oswalt
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
But…But…
DINGERZZZ
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Butt dingerz?
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
Been there.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 17, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Is that how you got the perfect J?
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
The perfect J is a lower lever butt dingerz course. I had to drop out when we moved on to Q.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 17, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m thinking of coming up Wednesday but starting to get scared off by the weather.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
/inserts Chase Utley back into pokemonz lineup
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
I hope we don’t embarrass ourselves.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
/propellers wildly
Joe Mauer is from Minnesota. My adopted son, RHP Steve Edlefsen, is from Minnesota. Joe Mauer is very good at baseball. Call up Steve Edlefsen, Giants! Science™ is begging you.
I embarrass myself nearly every time I write something here.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
hopefully, Utley will still be a tab bit rusty.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 17, 2010 1:22 PM PDT reply actions
At least we're not going to see
The Bonds-coached Ryan Howard.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
Nothing worse than a rusty tab.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 17, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
rusty kuntz?
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
"You can shake a dozen glove men out of a tree, but the bat separates the men from the boys." - Washington Senators First baseman Dale Long
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Rusty the mechanical man?
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
and Howard isn't quite ready to return apparently.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 17, 2010 1:22 PM PDT reply actions
Brought my Bonds jersey into work and hung it up yesterday. The rest of my office is not too pleased.
Fuck ’em.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 17, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
ALSO
I predict that Huff will have a huge series. All those long flies he hit in AT&T last weeks are 10th row dingers in CBP.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
Gauntlet
Was that the game where you invariably end up at some corner of the halls where about 20 ghosts are crammed and you just stand there killing them indiscriminately or am I remembering it wrong?
"Buster Posey" anagram = OYSTER PUBES
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Aug 17, 2010 1:25 PM PDT reply actions
VALKYRIE NEEDS FOOD BADLY
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Wizard is about to die
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
Red warrior shot the food :(
I think that may have been from Gauntlet 2, but it always made me sad.
Osiris, Lord of the Dead, and relief pitcher for the Fresno Grizzlies.
Looked it up
Yep, that’s the one.
"Buster Posey" anagram = OYSTER PUBES
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Aug 17, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Isn’t this the game where when you eat meat he says ‘Meat’ but when you eat fruit he says, ’Meager rations?"
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs.
ANTI-VEGETARIAN BIAS!
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 17, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Meager Rations is starting for the Giants in RF tonight.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 17, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I saw them open for the Stones in ’73
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
"You can shake a dozen glove men out of a tree, but the bat separates the men from the boys." - Washington Senators First baseman Dale Long
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
I predict that sometime in the next three days, the Giants get no-hit by Kevin Millwood again.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
Another post already?
I’m still trying to work my way through the second 1800+ comment Jose Guillen thread.
I'll summarize
A few people like the pickup, many don’t, bunch of football blather.
"I don’t think I’ve ever heard a louder chorus of boos than when the Dodgers made the third out of the ninth. It was awesome.." - Aubrey Huff
even, horror of horrors, college football blather
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
"You can shake a dozen glove men out of a tree, but the bat separates the men from the boys." - Washington Senators First baseman Dale Long
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Kind of OT, but MCC related
On this note…where do the back to back (i know they weren’t literally back to back, but humor me here) Guillen posts rank on the most posts over a short span on one topic?
I’ve only really been lurking/posting for the last year or so…any similar explosions on a single topic? I would have to imagine so…
Franchez trade
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
I remember the Garko and Sanchez trades last year blowing up the interwebz here.
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs.
True
I should’ve caught that. I believe that was right at the start of my MCC participation. Actually, now that I remember it, the moment we found out it was Alderson instead of what the rumor was at the time (frandsen, burriss and…) and this place went nuts that I knew I would enjoy it here.
John Sickels from Minor League Ball says...
6.07 ERA with 64/35 K/BB in 102 innings, 124 hits combined between Double-A Altoona and Bradenton, has been getting killed (20 runs in 15.2 innings) since being demoted last month. He’s falling apart…the Giants knew what they were doing when they traded him.
Whatever you think of Freddy Sanchez, Alderson was on a bad track, and Sabes knew it, and the rest of the league knew somethingt oo. In retrospect, the reaction to the trade here on MCC was very unfair to Sabean.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
not really
i wouldn’t have traded anything for 2 months of a broken 2B.
Even Alderson.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
He was traded for a year and two months
Which is OK, considering that Alderson was on the cusp of being worthless.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
Sanchez hasn’t been a whole lot better than worthless for the Giants so far.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
.9 WAR as a Giant
Better than worthless!
Which is really all you have to be in order to be a good return for Alderson.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
I would have rather kept Alderson and hoped he figured it out eventually.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Kept Alderson and signed a better 2B.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Plus didn’t the Giants pick up Sanchez’s salary?
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs.
You don't think that Sabean went to Tidrow and asked is Alderson would ever turn it around?
Sabean probably doesn’t make that trade if Tidrow and the minor league pitching gurus who drafted and developed Cain, Lincecum, etc, say that Alderson will turn it around.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
Wow, it sure seems like you are assuming things to support your argument.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Yikes
Completely fair. I misspoke if I said you should never make assumptions. But let’s try to do some basic occam’s razor work here:
Which is more likely, that Sabean traded Alderson without trying to figure out if he would turn it around, or that Sabean traded Alderson after consulting with Tidrow and his evaluation team and deciding he wouldn’t?
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
I don’t see why we need to assume that Sabean thought Alderson would be never be worth anything ever again.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
From what we have (his comments), Sabean seems to think that Sanchez was (and is, maybe) a very good and potential impact player. Was he correct in saying so? That’s up for argument. But he clearly thinks Sanchez is valuable. I don’t think it follows that he would only trade Alderson for someone he thinks is valuable if he thought Alderson had no value.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
false dilemma, there
My issue with the trade is that he wildly overvalued Franchez
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
Freddy
Had a good 07, and unlucky 08, and was hitting .296/.334/.442 in 09 before we got him. All with good defense.
Especially considering our other 2B options, I feel Freddy was valued correctly.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
Dude was injured
Noticeably, from the first game, dude was injured. I’m sorry, if you’re limping big, I’m going to assume you’re not going to be giving the team good production.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
And even better he was in town right before we traded for him so we did actually have our doctors check him out basically in real time….
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
And he’s been paid more than .9 WAR in salary….
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
how would Alderson had done in the majors? or when was he even projected
to get to the majors…
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Sanchez has been pretty awful though.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
At the plate...
He’s been pretty bad, but he’s a pretty solid defensive 2B. Considering their options (Burris, Velez), might be the least horrible solution.
Altho, what’s up with Matt Downs?
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
We also still had Frandsen at the beginning of the season
Who probably would’ve produced at least 80% of Sanchez’s production at a much lower cost
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
not really
Frandsen probably would have done better than 80% of a Franchez at a very marginal cost.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
ISWYDT
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
He’s doing ok for the Angels so far. Maybe something like .4 WAR in 1/4 of a season. Dunno what we should call his “true talent level”, but I’ve always suspected it’s at least above replacement by enough that we should keep him around.
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
At the beginning of the season, I thought Sanchez was a 2ish WAR player
Frandsen probably like a 1.5ish WAR player. But even if Frandsen was a 1 WAR player, is it worth $5m+ for another win?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
approximately
a WAR is worth ~4M, IIRC.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
$/WAR changes year to year
Regardless, that’s still an overpay
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
true
but a $1M overpay on a contending team isn’t a big deal.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
That's true
We were “IN THIS THING” from the beginning this season.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
That’s one of my problems with Sabean’s entire recent strategy. Going from 1-2 WAR in 3 spots is not as good as going from 1-4 WAR in 1 spot (same improvement, much elss money). It’s holding us back significantly.
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
agree
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
(rhetorical question, not a question for you)
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
I disagree with this.
I do not believe the rest of the league had “caught on” (if you do assume that he is on some precipituous decline that he will not recover from.)
I still think Sabean failed to maximize the value of his prospect at the time. As we discussed yesterday, just because he came to the right answer (Alderson has turned out to be not as originally advertised) it doesn’t mean that he came to it the right way (he could’ve received a higher return for Alderson.)
If that makes sense.
absolutely
/slides into line behind Cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeese!
he could’ve received a higher return for Alderson.is what I’m sayin’.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
Unless Pittsburgh was the only suckers in town
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
Not an assumption I subscribe to.
The media reaction to the trade at the time (including scouts and “baseball insiders” (like 22gigantes) was overwhelmingly negative against the Giants. Ergo, many in baseball believed that Alderson had a higher value on the trade market.
Also
Chasm with 22gigantes, [hopefully] obviously
Obvious chasm, at least to me
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
But you don't know that it's true
Instead of judging the trade based on your assumptions about the MLB trade market, why not instead evaluate what actually happened?
We traded a pitching prospect who was about to become worthless for a second baseman who was better than anyone we had.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
still a shitty ROI
Of course we don’t know, but some of us suspect the Giants could’ve done better.
I, for one, suspect that Sabean was enamored of the BATTING TITLE and ALL STAR APPEARANCES and that he thought Sanchez was fair return for Alderson. I, OTOH, think he could’ve done better, or just held on to Alderson.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
Reading this...
Doesn’t it sound like Bill Madlock and Rennie Stennett all over again?
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
It's not a shitty ROI
If it’s the most Sabean could have gotten for him, which as far as we know it is. If Sabean could have gotten Willingham or Uggla for Alderson, wouldn’t he have?
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
Argument fail.
If it’s the most Sabean could have gotten for him, which as far as we know it is.
Aren’t you doing the same thing that you argue devalues my argument?
Fair, fair point
But you are blaming Sabean for the trades you THINK he could have made. I am not.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
Not true. I am simply saying that the consensus (at the time) seemed to indicate that Alderson’s value at the time Sabean traded him should have been able to return more than Freddy Sanchez.
All I’m saying is that Sabean failed to maximize the prospect’s value (again, according to what appears to be the consensus at the time of the trade.)
How the heck do we know for sure what the offers were for Alderson?
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I’m not speaking of value only in the “other trade offers” sense.
As others have stated, Alderson could have had value in NOT being traded for Freddy Sanchez and allowing Frandsen to play 2b at a much lower cost. —> This is just one example of what I mean when I say value.
hahahaha, there is soooooo much projection here it’s crazy, sure we can sit here and say this now since Freddy’s having a lackluster season, but hey, who am i to talk
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
True.
I am only using that as an example, however, to say that there are many other measures of “value”.
Many of us advocated trading Alderson as part of a package, rather than Alderson + Barnes seperately for marginal upgrades.
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I hate the general strategy of trying to marginally upgrade at a bunch of spots instead of make a big upgrade at one spot. If you have a 1 WAR player, and you acquire a 2 WAR player to replace him, you’re essentially losing 1 WAR in value. Doing that 3 times is not as good as going from 1 WAR to 4 WAR once.
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I do too
but for slightly different reasoning. It’s why I wanted Holliday so much this offseason.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
I was very much on the Holliday bandwagon, as well!
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
But WHOSE consensus
You are correct that there were people who thought Sabean didn’t get maximum value. I remember reading some articles to that effect on Fangraphs, for one.
But I don’t think we ever heard any criticism from scouts or minor league talent evaluators, or the kind of people who would be able, theoretically, to spot a coming implosion.
To the extent that there was a consensus against the trade, it came, more or less, from people who knew as much about Alderson’s future as we did – and we (who thought Alderson would become a good player) were wrong.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
But I don’t think we ever heard any criticism from scouts or minor league talent evaluators, or the kind of people who would be able, theoretically, to spot a coming implosion.
Well, I have pointed out that Alderson was in BA’s Top 50 that they made right before the trade. They do try to talk to those kinds of people….
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't BA's prospects lists come out before the season starts?
In that case, a high ranking of Alderson would predate when his troubles started.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
Well, I have pointed out that Alderson was in BA’s Top 50 that they made right before the trade.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Does it mean much to be in the top 50? like that you’ll definitely be good?
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
The list was made in July, right before the deadline. It was an updated in season list. And the point isn’t that it means you’ll be good, it’s that higher makes you a more valuable prospect and it’s at least some indication of the industry’s view of a prospect. Higher rankings do correlate with more expected value for the team.
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
EVERYONE IN THE TOP 50 WILL BE AWESOME
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
OR AM I DOIN IT WRONG? Trying to understand, is it proven and almost certain that everyone on the TOP 50 will do very well? and be an all star?
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Read Missing Barry’s comment again. It has to do with the perceived value of the player, not the likelihood that they’re going to be amazing
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No. It’s a best guess for future value, though.
The safe bet for pretty much any prospect is that he won’t work out. But top prospects are more likely than fringe ones.
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So what is Alderson? A TOP prospect? obviously they could have, who knows actually, gotten something better for Alderson, who knows, hindsight, i’m just clueless when it comes to people discussing how good/bad a trade is when it comes to dealing minor leaguers
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Now he’s isn’t much of a top prospect. At the time he was pretty well regarded.
I should probably note that everyone thought MadBum would be better, but a lot of people thought Alderson could get to the big leagues quicker.
It’s kind of a tough question to answer simply, in all honesty. All prospect lists are a certain amount of guesswork.
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It just seems that whenever a minor leaguer is traded it’s very judgmental when it comes to somebody’s perception of the trade. I mean, i could think it’s a great trade for my reasons because they’ll get an impact player, rather on the other side of the coin, the minor leaguer you give up is someone that has VALUE AND POTENTIAL. This is why i hate getting involved in the discussion of a minor leaguer
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Yeah, it’s really hard to gauge.
In general, though, I’m sure you’ve noticed that the folks around here tend to value prospects pretty highly. I think it’s for a couple of reasons – one is that a prospect won’t get paid much for his first six years in the bigs, so if he pans out, you get a lot of bang for your buck. It’s pretty much impossible to get the same value on the free agent market in value to the team per payroll dollar spent.
The second, and this is just my opinion, is that prospects are more exciting. They have that lure of the unknown, and also the pride of having spotted that guy from early on. An established veteran that you trade for doesn’t have that same shiny newness or the possibility of future greatness. He’s pretty much a known commodity.
So, in this case (with Alderson and Sanchez), we had the possible excitement of a young guy we’ve been aware of from the moment he became a Giant, and that guy perhaps turning into a valuable piece of our rotation; and we traded him for a second baseman of dubious health and minimal value even if healthy.
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by Ott on Aug 17, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
yea… i’ll say this, just gonna say this since i dont have much time either… but yea, i agree you want to have that sense of “yea, he came up from the minors and the giants raised him” basically.
Concerning your last point? Health issues but we can say this now because he’s hitting .250, right? i mean, dont get me wrong, i was a little questioned by the trade really… but in the end, it’s money that we lost and the possibility of getting someone else from FA… And i’m not someone that really cares much for how much money the team spends on a player, it aint my money
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Well, he had some pretty well documented health problems in Pittsburgh, too.
I agree, though, it isn’t my money. If it was better spent, though, we might be in a better position to win games right now, and I would like to see that.
That said, I don’t really care for the armchair GM role. I mostly try to understand the why, and then resign myself to the situation.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
And i’m not someone that really cares much for how much money the team spends on a player, it aint my money
Opportunity cost. Every dollar they spend on someone is a dollar they can’t spend on someone else.
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
The other thing about prospects
and this kind of relates to the second point, is that you have no history of rooting against the guy. When your team signs an established veteran you often have to get over years of accumulated dislike to start rooting for him.
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the minor leaguer you give up is someone that has VALUE AND POTENTIAL
Dude, the concept is not that hard. A minor league has an expected value based on his perceived talent. This expected value is the average of what we expect him to be – there’s a chance he lives up to his potential, there’s a chance he busts, etc.
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Higher rankings do correlate with more expected value for the team.
Maybe you should look up the definition of “correlation”…
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
1. No, it still is. He didn’t have to trade him.
B. None of us have any idea what other offers were out there, if any
iii. He didn’t have to trade Alderson at all
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1) If we don’t trade him, all we have is a worthless pitching prospect. That is worse than having Freddy Sanchez.
B. You’re correct, which is why I’m not blaming Sabean for the trades he didn’t make. You are, though.
iii. Again, if we don’t trade Alderson, then all we end up with is a shitty AA pitcher.
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How am I blaming Sabean for trades he didn’t make?? In no way am I doing that.
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I believe
He was talking to me on that one.
Or maybe I’m just self-centered.
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by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
That is worse than having Freddy Sanchez.
Just not true. Also, you’re ignoring other possibilities like packaging Alderson/Barnes + maybe another prospect and turning that into, you know, someone good?
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not ignoring that...
Because he said “didn’t have to trade Alderson”, which I assumed would mean we (in delorean’s hypothetical) wouldn’t trade him as part of a package either.
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If you’re judging on end results (not a good way to judge), keeping Alderson would have been more benefital than ending up with Sanchez. Sanchez has given us negative value.
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
how so?
I’d have to guess you’re judging salary in this too, but I think the closer a team gets to contending, the less you can rely on pure salary value judgements.
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0.9 WAR at ~$8 million is negative value.
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mehhhhhhhhhhh
it’s close enough to even for me to go all “meh” on it
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It’s, like, double what 0.9 WAR is actually worth…
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yeah but 8
is an overestimation. They’ve paid him closer to 6.5 so far.
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The Diamondbacks have paid Kelly Johnson, what, $2 million so far?
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and?
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Just because you got a player for his fair value doesn’t mean there aren’t better and cheaper options out there?
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there’s really only two teams that can go out there and consistently pay fair value and win.
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yeah but
FA’s get fair value (or more!) most of the time. Most teams have to get their surplus value from younger players.
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Mid range FAs tend to get more.
True top tier are where more bargains are found.
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again
part of why I wanted Holliday so bad =(
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Johnson would have been a really good pickup, I agree
and even a typically Sabeanesque one at that. That doesn’t make paying Sanchez market value bad in and of itself though.
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I don’t think paying Sanchez market value was a bad idea in general, but doing so before getting any sense of what the 2B market was going to be like was.
Especially since it seems like 2B are a bit undervalued on the free agent market in general.
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I think many of Sabean’s moves, on their own, aren’t bad ideas in general. The problem is combined they represent a bad strategy. Guys like DeRosa and Sanchez, when we already have guys who can give us decent production and good value (like a guy who gives us 1-1.5 WAR for MLB minimum), just isn’t a successful team building strategy. If done once, sure, maybe it’s the move that puts you over the top. If done repeatedly, you’re in trouble.
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
The problem is that Sanchez kept us from acquiring a cheaper, better 2B.
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Aug 17, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I can see this argument
and kind of agree with it, but looking at what you could reasonably expect Sanchez’s production to be, he got fair value
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Personally, I view Sanchez as two seperate transactions. Sanchez the trade, and that transaction ended as soon as we declined his option, and then Sanchez the FA signing. I think Sanchez the FA signing was a lot more reasonable of a move (though again, we knew he was hurt!)….
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
also in this line
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I just don’t judge the trade as harshly as most. Our 2B options were essentially replacement level. Sanchez, you could reasonably say is about a 2 WAR player. So we traded Alderson for .6 WAR, which doesn’t sound so hot out of context, but we were “in this thing” at the time, so those .6 wins become a LOT more important
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I still don’t think we were really “in this thing”…
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, the marginal value of a win is worth more to a contending team. Even so, we should be able to get more value from a given $ amount.
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
1) If we don’t trade him, all we have is a worthless pitching prospect. That is worse than having Freddy Sanchez.
I’m not at all sure about that, because Franchez isn’t free. Freddy Sanchez is barely worth anything, and the Giants are going to wind up paying him about $14M for two seasons and two months of service. They’re probably over-paying him by $8M or so. Therefore, had they not made the trade, they’d have a (probably) worthless pitching prospect, Matt Downs or somebody at second base, and an extra $14M.
If it’s the most Sabean could have gotten for him, which as far as we know it is.
Honestly, had we held on to him and let him fall apart for us, we would have gotten more value out of it than trading for Sanchez. Sanchez has only been negative value so far. Judging by results completely ignores the “luck” factor, but even if you want to judge by results (which you shouldn’t), this was not the best case scenario.
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
the thing about trades though
it’s REALLY REALLY hard to judge by anything but results, simply because you don’t know what options are out there.
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Yeah I think I have a better response somewhere else in the thread. Don’t want to have the same conversation twice. Individual trades are definitely hard to judge process, by, no doubt. I think over time you can get a better picture, though.
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I really hate this line of reasoning
quite frankly, none of us possibly can ever know if they could have done better, so it’s absolutely worthless to try to judge a trade that way. The only reasonable way (IMO) to judge a trade is its actual impact on the team, which in this case is pretty negligible.
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I still think Sabean overpaid.
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nothing out of the ordinary
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none of us possibly can ever know if they could have done better
In some cases, you’re right, in some cases, I think we have reasonable evidence to judge a trade based on “process”. For instance, Alderson was ranked highly right before the trade by BA. So that’s one piece of information. Second, some people thought we should pursue a strategy that involved packaging prospects, rather than sending them out individually. I think that’s a very fair criticism. Third, when we traded for Sanchez, he was hurt, and we knew it! Another valid criticism.
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with this
there are criticisms to make of the trade, but “didn’t get fair value for Alderson” is not one of them, imo, simply because we have no way to judge that.
I’ll say the same thing now I said then, I trust this team’s staff to evaluate pitching, so if they disagree with a BA report, I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt, because they have the track record to back it up.
The injury is absolutely inexcusable, imo. I mean come on. I don’t know how the whole medical staff hasn’t been fired.
The packaging prospects goes back to the value thing. Who was available? Would other teams have taken that package? We have no idea.
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I trust this team’s staff to evaluate pitching, so if they disagree with a BA report, I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt, because they have the track record to back it up.
Well, agree to a point, and it very well could be that they soured on him and wanted to move him before his value collapsed. In hindsight, there seems to be evidence that’s a plausible scenario. An important point to me is when it comes to making a trade, it’s not the Giants view that matters, it’s the other teams views. That determines Alderson’s value.
The packaging prospects goes back to the value thing. Who was available? Would other teams have taken that package? We have no idea.
And I don’t know, but obviously everyone who got traded was available. That’s not to say Alderson could have been the centerpiece of a trade for anyone, but him and Barnes are a nice start to a trade package for an impact player. Maybe it meant losing someone like Neal, too. Like you say, we don’t have a way to judge that, but I do believe a package including Barnes + Alderson would have netted us a much better value.
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I just have a LOT of trouble making that proclamation.
RE: Alderson’s perceived value – I remember hearing something about him tipping his pitches last season, and that other teams were starting to catch on. Maybe the fact that his value was about to bottom out wasn’t something just the Giants knew. I know I’m speculating, but assuming that no other team could tell either is speculation too.
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See, I don’t. Holliday and Victor Martinez got traded, and they were real upgrades for us. Alderson + Barnes doesn’t get it done, but it gets us partway there….
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah but
we have no idea how close that gets us. What if it would have taken Alderson + Barnes + Posey for Holliday? Or even Alderson + Barnes + MadBum?
Could it possibly have been better to try to package them? Yes. Was it? We have no fucking clue, and we can’t possibly know without having access to private conversations between organizations.
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Well if you’re going to take that attitude, we really can’t judge anything! My own philosophy is on any single trade, sure, I might be way off, but I think we have enough information available to us that on the whole, we’ll be able to judge the process fairly accurately…..
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions
This is my problem with much of the mccoven's criticism of Sabean
So much of it is based on things that mcc ASSUMES to be true about him and the league, without any proof at all.
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Aren’t your defenses of him at least, in part, based on what you assume you be true?
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To an extent
I try to recreate the rationales and thought processes, of course. Everyone does.
I just think a lot of the Sabean critiques here have been unfair, and there is a pretty distinct lack of willingness to admit that Sabean has done some things right.
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So it’s okay to make assumptions when they support the argument you want to make, but not when they support the argument you’re arguing against.
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i see this happening a good amount here regardless
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THIS
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No no, of course not
I can make assumptions about Sabean, but I try not to let them cloud my judgement of his actions.
Some say, well, I think that Sabean could have made a better trade! Therefore, Sabean made a bad trade.
That’s bad reasoning, and the kind of thing I try to avoid.
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It's not a zero sum game as you have laid it out
He also could have made no trade, which could have a much better result.
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exactly!
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by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I completely and utterly disagree
As I noted somewhere upthread, if we make no trade, we have a worthless pitching prospect.
I’d rather have Freddy.
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Assuming said pitching prospect develops the same under two entirely different coaching systems.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 17, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
If we didn’t make the trade for Freddy Sanchez we would still have Alderson and we would still have had the opportunity to way overpay for Freddy in the offseason. The only thing we would have missed out on was Freddy’s terrible performance for us in the 2nd half of 09.
The Giants don’t fare well against pitchers.
You’d seriously rather have a near replacement level second baseman making about twice as much as he’s worth than take the chance that a 21 year old pitching prospect could figure his issues out? Really?
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Considering that our other 2B options are below replacement level...
Yes.
I don’t think Alderson will ever make it to the majors, an evaluation that Sickels certainly also holds, and though I’m just assuming (!), is probably also the judgement of the Giants FO, hence the trade.
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Frandsen was not...
And is not
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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I wasn’t aware that it was either Freddy Sanchez or below-replacement-level option from within the organization for second base, if I’d known about that, I guess this discussion would be a lot different!
(BTW, what makes Matt Downs worse than Sanchez this year?)
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Hell
ZIPS even projects Downs to be better for the rest of the season than Sanchez at this point.
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ZIPS
seems to be REALLY optimistic about a lot of younger players.
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He’s outperformed Sanchez to this point. Not that it takes a lot to…
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lolsamplesize
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Sanchez really hasn’t been good this year, is it really an outrageous thing to think that Downs could replicate or better his performance?
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no
but if you told me that in the offseason I would have laughed you out of the room.
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Ha, probably because it expects the Giants to do the normal thing and actually give them normal amounts of PT? Instead, we get to watch them suck in sporadic PT because the club has no confidence in them and they know the second they stop hitting it’s the bench for them? ;)
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
possible :p
but still, I don’t really trust Zips on that, especially since it seem to project him to put up essentially the same wRC+ he put up in AAA this year.
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Other 2B options included
Kelly Johnson
Felipe Lopez
Orlando Hudson
All of whom have been better than Freddy Sanchez for less money.
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Aug 17, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
We could have a worthless pitching prospect, Freddy, and more cash….
Regardless of what you think of Alderson, your support of Sanchez is odd. He has not given us value…..
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm really not trying to defend Freddy
I’m trying to defend the trade.
Freddy has underperformed. But if the Giants knew that something was wrong with Alderson, it was still a good trade.
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Not really
They still received an injured player with an option for 2010 (iirc). I don’t know why they didn’t just exercise the option.
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What’s funny is that they knew something was wrong with Freddy at the time of the trade too.
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Then blame the doctor that gave the OK
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well considering
we were actually “in this thing” at the time, with the worst 2B production in MLB, doing nothing probably wouldn’t have been a great option.
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Honestly, I don’t think there was a strong case we were real contenders at the time. It was more a show of contention than anything.
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
at the date of the trade
we were 2 games behind COL for the wild card.
The day after Sanchez’s first game (aug 2), we were tied for 1st with COL for the WC, and 7 games out of 1st.
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I don’t really consider competing for the wild card with a team that’s better than us, and 3-5 other teams (with at least 1-2 of them also better than you) within easy striking distance, “in this thing”….
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay, I’m going to say this:
Sabean traded a pitching prospect for a second baseman who has, so far, hit .265/.314/.323 as a Giant, mostly while batting second in the order. He has played good defense and has, as such, been worth 0.9 WAR over 439 PA as a Giant. As a Giant, he has been paid $6 million for this season and some number I’m not sure of (I think about $2 mil?) for last season.
Needless to say, 0.9 WAR is not worth ~$8 million.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
So you're saying Sanchez is worth Waaaay more!
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
he's only been paid
about 4.5M for this season (so far)
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
He’s still underperforming his salary.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
true!
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
still #1 in WARM
wins above replacement mole
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
Some say, well, I think that Sabean could have made a better trade! Therefore, Sabean made a bad trade.
That’s bad reasoning, and the kind of thing I try to avoid.
True to some degree, but avoiding it entirely means you’re ignoring the concept of opportunity cost, which is a very, very important concept to understand…
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I understand opportunity cost heh
And if we don’t trade Alderson last year, the opportunity cost of that decision is that we would never be able to trade him for anything of value.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
nah
I give Sabean tons of credit when he does something right. Burrell, Huff, Alderson, Posey. I will also ding him when I see him doing something I think is stupid (Sanchez, Guillen, Rowand).
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
Edgardo Alfonso
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Throw in's for Julian Tavares don't count
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s made some good moves and bad moves, like any GM in baseball
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Yes, but my big bitch is how he pissed away Bonds' best years by supporting him with crap.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey, that is one big bitch!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 17, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I was saying it at the time
so, no, foresight.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
HINDSIGHT DAMNIT
Let’s look to this year and how Sabean can help the future
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Oh...THAT kind of hindsight...Like dwelling on shit in the past.
Got it.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Why you bringing up old shit?
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
who wants to know?
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you trying to confuse me?
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
Ok then, we agree
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
We're gonna kidnap Judith and set Darren up with Sandy!
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
Didn't we win the WS in 2002?
I turned it off in the sixth inning.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
How did he piss away Bonds' best years?
We were “in the hunt” almost every year. In 2004, we lost to Steve Fucking Finley. If Jose Cruz Jr could catch (or if JT Snow was a little faster), we were the WS favorites in 2003. We WON the series in 2002. They were a couple games back in 2001, they won the division in 2000.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
Did you watch the piles of dogshit we surrounded Bonds with, especially post-Kent?
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Post-Kent is NOT Bonds' best years
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
Like Jeff Kent, Rich Aurillia, and JT Snow?
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
Yep, the worst GM will have some moves that work out well and the best GM will have some that don’t. It’s inevitable. That’s why you try to evaluate the process, to see who puts themselves in position to have moves work out more often.
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
without any proof at all
A lot of it has lots and lots of proof and evidence behind it. From Sabean’s years of failed acquisitions and failure to understand basic concepts, to all the statistical work that’s been done through the blogosphere that supports certain trends and notions the Giants do not do a good job of following….
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, yes YES!!! This!
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not sure how much people knew. BA put Alderson in their top 50 prospects like a week or two before the trade. Not that it’s an accurate gauge of trade value, but it’s someone who was still high on him at that point.
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I've gotta run guys!
Feel free to keep mauling me while I make my commute home =). I enjoy nothing more than a good MCC debate – – they’re almost always friendly, rational, and devoid of ad hominem, which I love.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
/builds strawman
//sets it on fire
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
NAKED IN THE DESERT!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 17, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
/punches a woman and gets stung by bees
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Hahahaha
wtf?
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
worst movie ever
Neil LaBute’s Wicker Man remake
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
DAMMIT
that is an awesome gif, too
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
Why did you post this twice?
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
motherfuck
1st one is red-X for me
i quit
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
Don’t forget the craziness that ensued when I wrote about a dream I had.
by Grant Brisbee on Aug 17, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL 6 comments!
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs.
obviously nobody cared bout his dream
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
If you don't have something nice to say, don't say Anything!
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ll say what i want, when i want to
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
What? I want.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 17, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
When?
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
procrastinator!!
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I got a question...
If you guys know so much about women, how come you’re here at like the Gas ‘n’ Sip on a Saturday night completely alone, drinking beers with no women anywhere?
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
By choice!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 17, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Only fools who know nothing about women would ever want to spend time with one.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
In your eyes
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs.
the light, the heat
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
WHITE LIGHT
WHITE HEAT
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
“Hey, I know she doesn’t want to talk to me, but maybe if I stand outside her house like a creepy stalker she’ll take me back!”
The Magic is inside all of us.
Proud father of the man taking your hard-earned money.
That is known as a “Howie”.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 17, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
We've now exceeded the comments from the original "dream" thread
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
Nice, where are you sitting tomorrow? I got section 320 Thursday.
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I think tomorrow our seats are somewhere in South Jersey. Section 430 or some such. My Phillies fan wife graciously offered her ticket to my Giants fan dad.
Ha, I got a ticket like that once – one of the ones way high up and way out in RF. Never went to my seat, took advantage of standing room only. Walked around the park talking to Phillies fans (easy to do when you’re wearing a Bonds jersey, everyone wants to talk to you!)….
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m just glad we’re not playing the Padres anymore.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 17, 2010 1:31 PM PDT reply actions
Agreed
The biggest reason for optimism on this road trip.
The 1st pitch is the best
by Tay on Aug 17, 2010 3:03 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
and what would you say is the biggest reason for optimism on this road trip?
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
The biggest reason for optimism is double posting.
The 1st pitch is the best
by Tay on Aug 17, 2010 3:06 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Phillies, Cards, Reds
4 team round robin tournament.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 17, 2010 1:32 PM PDT reply actions
/sees what you did there
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs.
I like Gauntlet references.
Mark DeRosa is playing exactly the same amount of professional baseball as his adopted father, these days.
by oldjacket on Aug 17, 2010 1:37 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Then you’re gonna love me.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 17, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
No… wait… that’s a Dark Knight reference. My bad.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 17, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Man, you’re going to be so embarrassed when you realize that you misspelled “Dark Night”.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
He actually meant Darkwing Duck.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 17, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
that was a great show
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
"You can shake a dozen glove men out of a tree, but the bat separates the men from the boys." - Washington Senators First baseman Dale Long
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
I always misspell “wing Duck” as “Knight” for some reason.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 17, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Letsbbt get dangerothbbt
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Aug 17, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
My dose of negativity
I’m nervous. Not in a “This is going to be a good test for the Giants against playoff quality teams” type of way. More in a “How far out of the playoffs are we going to be after this stretch” way.
The Magic is inside all of us.
Proud father of the man taking your hard-earned money.
Well
The last time I thought we were going to be dead after a roadtrip, we played the best we have all year.
We took 2/3 from the Phillies, and it could have been more.
I believe.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
Wellemeyer's gone.
SF_Giants
RT @Ken_Rosenthal #SFGiants have asked unconditional release waivers on Wellemeyer. Had been designated for assignment
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
“please go suck somewhere else”
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Oh I wish I was Todd Wellemeyer’s fastball
That is what I’d truly like to be
Cuz if I was Todd Wellemeyer’s fastball
EVERYONE WOULD FUCKING CLUB ME INTO THE BLEACHERS WHEN I WASN"T BEING THROWN OUT OF THE STRIKEZONE 65 TIMES IN A ROW!!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 17, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 13 recs
I lol'd.
Lars gets a rec.
Joe Mauer is from Minnesota. My adopted son, RHP Steve Edlefsen, is from Minnesota. Joe Mauer is very good at baseball. Call up Steve Edlefsen, Giants! Science™ is begging you.
So rec'd!
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL LC
That’s a LOL and a half.
"Buster Posey" anagram = OYSTER PUBES
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Aug 17, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
But that hippie Lincecum sucks now because he won’t cut his hair and call his dad. We need a proven veteran to take his place in the rotation!
The 1st pitch is the best
by Tay on Aug 17, 2010 1:49 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I do think he needs to call his dad.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
"You can shake a dozen glove men out of a tree, but the bat separates the men from the boys." - Washington Senators First baseman Dale Long
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
You know, we’re placing a lot of faith in a guy who isn’t on any kind of Giants’ payroll. Just drop everything, dude, and fix your kid.
Fulfilling your Gus Benusa needs since 2009!
by Giantsfan4life on Aug 17, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Is he late getting home or something?
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 17, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Practice was cancelled, he needs a ride home from school.
The 1st pitch is the best
by Tay on Aug 17, 2010 3:04 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
All I want to know,
is how this guy is starting at right field
Monday Monkey lives for the weekend, sir.
ALL GUILLENS ARE THE SAME
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 17, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
At least he just makes irrational yet funny statements
Instead of just sucking in RF
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
The ones you do want to punch might not have the shiniest statistics, but they
But they’ll what? BUT THEY’LL WHAT!?!
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces strained obliques
by Giant among Angels on Aug 17, 2010 1:42 PM PDT reply actions
Ah, I see
will kill you with dinks and singles.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces strained obliques
by Giant among Angels on Aug 17, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
TWSS
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 17, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
He won’t look so big AFTER I SHOVE MY FIST DOWN HIS THROAT AND MAKE HIM SOB LIKE ADAM MORRISON WATCHING BOYZ N THE HOOD. BRING IT, TOUGH GUY.
by Grant Brisbee on Aug 17, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
You're gonna shove what down his throat?
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
It was a typo for fits.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 17, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought it was a typo for cock.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 17, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Inasmuch as you are talking about rectumface, the image of you shoving your fist down his throat is extra disturbing.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 17, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s as big of a douchebag as he looks.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 17, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I was at that game.
Also, I predict that I’ll never get over that loss in April. If I close my eyes, I can see Werth’s bloop nestle gently in the grass as Phillie after Phillie run around the bases.
My two friends and I left at that point, only to here VROOOOOOOOM as we were walking back to the ferry building. We were 2 rows behind the pen in RF so it was directly in front of us. Needless to say I’m 0-4 this season :(
"There he goes. One of god's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
What if you had stayed!?!
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 17, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Winnable series
Brad Lidge, everyone!
Fulfilling your Gus Benusa needs since 2009!
I hope Nate starts in RF one of these games
And Utley gets greedy again.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
I wish Nate was playing
The Phillies, moreso than any other team, would not be testing his arm.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
LOL GAUNTLET REFERENCES
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
http://www.billboard.com/song/replicator/warrior-needs-food-badly/5406229#/song/replicator/warrior-needs-food-badly/5406229
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
well that didn't work
But it’s Replicator doing their smash hit “Warrior Needs Food Badly”
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
lulz
extrabaggs Pat Burrell just talked to big media group. Said he told Utley he needed 15 more at-bats in minors — at least three games worth.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 17, 2010 2:03 PM PDT reply actions
LOL Pat
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Atta boy Pat
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
It’s a good thing arcades didn’t take credit cards during my “Summer of Gauntlet”!
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
Remember when Adrian Gonzalez and Heath Bell were going to be the prizes of the 2010 trade deadline?
Yea…
"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands."
Should have sold while values were still high.
The 1st pitch is the best
by Tay on Aug 17, 2010 3:09 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
If pigeons start crapping on Guillen's head in right field.
It’s remotely possible Bochy will notice he’s not so speedy. Silver lining.
If pigeions start crapping on Bochy's head, and some gets into his ear, his IQ might go up.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL @ spelling fail while lambasting Bochy for a low IQ
Aren’t I ironic?
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
’Tis iconic.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 17, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Just want to say, GO GIANTS, hope they can take the series from the Phillies, HUGE series this is, especially after what happened this last weekend vs. the Padres, hopefully they can come back and get back on track
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
/throws self down the stairs
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs.
/fails to hit even one step and lands, uninjured on a large pillow
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Dammit!
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs.
I figured this would be a realistic outcome for a Giants fan.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
oh and i forgot to add
Damn, i’ve never been so happy about this team, just the chemistry and just the fact they’re 15 games over, lovin it!!! Can’t find much to get pissed off over this entire year
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I was at that game.
Most mad I’ve been at a ballplayer I think. Velez, that is.
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
Go Roger Kieschnick! And son, please continue to break scoreboards on your way to San Francisco.
Velez IS the gauntlet
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
It would be worth a quarter...
Just to be Velez, and let him die.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
LOL!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 17, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
The Giants have no luck
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
Record?
Can you guys tell me what the Giants record is against the East and Central with a much weaker-hitting team earlier this year? I am not an expert, but it seems to me that we should be licking our chops to put some distance between us and the other wildcard teams instead of crying in our collective beer. Just sayin’
I don’t feel like licking chops.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 17, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
How about the ones with the really good BBQ sauce on them?
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Only if they are not mine.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 17, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
/licks your chops
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 17, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
SO YOU ARE NOT SAYING!!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 17, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Do the confidence people have to be little?
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 17, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
SOYLENT GREEN IS CONFIDENCE PEOPLE!
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 17, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I always thought it tasted funny.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you mean you have SOME little confidence people.
Are they cheaper in volume?
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
If you get the little confidence people, you end up buying more of them.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 17, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
OT: DAMON IS ON FIRE!!!! LOVIN IT
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
LITERALLY!
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Is everyone ready for the Lazer show?
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
TWSS
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Please
for your team to defeat the odious team from Philly. Thank you very much.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
You came to the right place
Obviously the inhabitants of this message board have the power to decide the outcome of baseball games, and your petition has been heard. The Giants will defeat the Philadelphia baseball team.
Now go your way and tomahawk chop no more.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
A
Beat the Phillies.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Aug 17, 2010 3:00 PM PDT reply actions
Beat phiLAdelphia
THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME (for 3 days in 1995).
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Aug 17, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
B
Beat the Cardinals.
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
Boom
I won.
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
nah
Dougy’s is first, actually
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
Negative Ghost Rider
Pattern is full.
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
refresh the page
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
*presses F5* "WHORES!"
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
C
Beat the Reds
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
DougyD says we should be licking our chops
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 17, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Uhhh.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Aug 17, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I wasn't going to say anything, but.....
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
You have no culture! The smelly chops are the best ones!
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
Oh yeah?
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Culture as in mold?
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 17, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay, I got my #1 jersey on and I am ready to win this fucking series!
"Notre Dame will win the BCS national championship. Count it." -PiKAgiant
Guillen switched to #6 today
Traded with Flannery.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 17, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Damnit, shit, damnit…good thing I don’t actually have it.
"Notre Dame will win the BCS national championship. Count it." -PiKAgiant
by HoosierGiant on Aug 17, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
"Philadelphia Phillies" anagrams suck
All Ps and Hs and Ls.
HELL, HIS HIP ILL-PAID APE is about the best I could do.
"Buster Posey" anagram = OYSTER PUBES
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Aug 17, 2010 3:05 PM PDT reply actions
A Pallid Hellish Hippie
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
wait, that's Lincecum
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 17, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Thats
Zito
Sidenote: 2 Zito Jerseys on ebay $40
Greensports is the username the seller uses, we’ll see how legit they look when I get them
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
Rec'd Hard
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
I bought a Lincecum one off of ebay. Just had to add the mlb and giants arm patches. Looks pretty damn legit.
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs. - hokysmkbbq
Well, this guy had 1500 Feedback
And nothing about quality arises.
we’ll see
Probably fake, but w/e if it looks legit
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
Also
I bought a 3x Lincecum jersey for $20, it was too small, but fits my dad perfectly
Looks legit, but the fit was bad and the MLB neck patch and majestic patch wasn’t sewn on, so def. fake
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
Ill paid ape
Isn’t that aaron rowand?
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
Shift-A: Not going to get into any debate today
No Alderson v. Sanchez
No Guillen..
It’s a peaceful day for me…
According to KNBR
Today in 2006, Kevin Frandsen hits his first homer
Yesterday in 2008, Raji Davis hits his first homer
Here’s hoping that either Fontenot or Guillen hits their first homer as a Giant.
crazy
Nate went 5 for 5 that referenced game. also 12 of the 17 hits came from players who are not starting tonight
sorry
I meant “who is this ‘Nate’ person of whom you speak?”
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
Rec'd Nate Davis is awesome
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I’m going to see Scott Pilgrim tonight! I’m excited – it reviewed a lot lot lot better than I ever thought it would.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
please label these OT
or i will report you to the proper authorities
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
Niner Nation staff
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
by delorean on Aug 17, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
lulz
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 17, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
But delorean… I am the proper authorities! Who will mod the moderators!?
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 17, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Coast guard?
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
/re-reads Watchmen.
Well… I’ll be damned.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 17, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you have a picture of yourself dressed up as some sort of authority figure?
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 17, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Probably on my other hard drive.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 17, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
OT: There's a guy in my Admin Law class who sounds EXACTLY like Michael Cera
How can I best use this fact to amuse myself?
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
by Prussian Creole on Aug 17, 2010 3:36 PM PDT reply actions
Whenever you see him, recite one of Jonah Hill’s lines from Superbad.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 17, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
This gives me an excuse to re-watch Super Bad
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
by Prussian Creole on Aug 17, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Ask him when the Arrested Development movie is coming out or give him a copy of Les Cousins Dangereux
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 17, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL, when is the AD movie coming out? I thought it was supposed to be this year.
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
by Prussian Creole on Aug 17, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, it’s going to be a long time.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 17, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
most likely never
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
"You can shake a dozen glove men out of a tree, but the bat separates the men from the boys." - Washington Senators First baseman Dale Long
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
LOL, comment win. Especially because I know for a fact that he’s the same guy in real life that he plays on tv/in movies.
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
by Prussian Creole on Aug 17, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Tell him he sounds like some other celebrity with a distinctive voice or delivery (Al Pacino, Owen Wilson, etc) and see if you can get him try an impersonation of THAT actor. And then BOOM, Michael Cera doing his best Al Pacino, for your private entertainment.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Wow. I’m completely in love with this idea.
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
by Prussian Creole on Aug 17, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
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