John Bowker will make the Giants sorry they sent him to Pittsburgh
John Bowker is batting over .400 for the Indianapolis Indians (Pirates AAA Team). I am not writing this to knock the Giants for trading him. They needed to make some moves and did so. What I am saying is that I believe the Giants will come to regret letting him get away. I have watched allot of players and it is very hard to know who will make it. But there is something about this guy that I like and I hope this change will launch his career.
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a breaking ball is a called strike only about one-third of the time
if he only ever swings at fastballs he’ll have a great career
The money lies in the RBIs
-- Jeff Kent
Sadly, he doesn’t seem to do that.
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I nominate this for post of the year
John Bowker is going to Hall of Fame based on these 43 AAA at bats
also, what is allot of players? I’m not familiar with this type of player
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 15, 2010 9:47 PM PDT reply actions
I'm going to put myself on the line here!
But I would say that if given a solid chance he has a greater than 50% chance
of having a career trajectory that will be that of an above average major league
hitter, and with power.
HIs problem is that he’s unlikely to get a “solid chance” in the NL due to his less than average D in the OF and at 1B. His best bet to have a prolonged major league career is if he can get the Pirates to trade him to the AL where he has a slim chance of making it as an everyday DH. His new patient approach would seem to fit in very well in the A’s philosophy, and don’t you know that Billy Beane would just love to take another Sabean reject and make him a regular (a la Rajai Davis)
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
I see no reason for the Pirates to not give him a shot, even despite his D (I’m of the opinion that his D is “better” in the OF than it is at 1B, where he’s a butcher). I mean, it’s not like they’re contending, what risk do they take by giving him a shot? If he hits as well as his MLE’s suggest, he’s still a nice player despite his D.
by Missing Barry on Aug 16, 2010 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions
who are they going to sit?
Andrew McCutchen, Jose Tabata, Lastings Milledge? All of those guys are a lot more likely to be a part of their future than John Bowker
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 16, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
It would have to be Milledge. He is the only on not on my fantasy team. But seriously the other two are having fantastic years but Milledge is stinking it up 91OPS+.
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by say hey nation on Aug 16, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, Milledge really is a bum. He is only 25, though, so he does have that going for him. He’s never had any real minor league success, though, who knows what the Mets were thinking in his development, that organization is a mess. He also will already have over 3 years of service time accrued after this season….
by Missing Barry on Aug 16, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m no great believer in Milledge, but I do think he is a better bet for MLB success than Bowker (although I wouldn’t put any money on either of them). Bowker has the minor league success but Milledge was once thought of as a big prospect (remember when the Mets wouldn’t include him in a Jason Schmidt trade, they must feel pretty good about that). That 91 OPS+ the Milledge is stinking it up with is quite a bit better than anything Bowker has done in his MLB time.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 16, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
The difference I see is John Bowker has 513 PA’s of sucky hitting, 350 of which came before he really started raking in the minors with a revamped approach. Milledge has over 1600 PA’s of suck, with no minor league performances over his career to support any notion of him being more talented than his subpar performance. He was one of those highly regarded toolsy prospects, but he’s never turned it into actual performance…
by Missing Barry on Aug 16, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Toolsy?
Any time I hear the word toolsy (which, as a Giants fan, is more often than I’m comfortable with), all I think of is “toolsy” is code for “Ruben Rivera/Rickey Ledee.”
I hate the term toolsy, and now have very little faith in any player referred to as “toolsy.” So I’d play Bowker over Milledge just for that reason alone.
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by Missing Barry on Aug 16, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
It sounds a lot better when you think of it as code for “Josh Hamilton/Barry Bonds”
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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That definitely sounds better, but it’s nicer to hear, “He’s a five-tool player, look at how well he hits, runs, hits for power, etc,” than to hear, “He’s a five-tool player who just hasn’t put it all together yet. But when he DOES, boy…” Especially when that five-tool player has been in the majors for a good number of years and STILL doesn’t do any of those things well.
When the Giants drafted Wendell Fairley and talked about how raw he is, BUT HE’S A TOOLSY PLAYER… I immediately thought, yeah good luck with that.
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I think the problem with that whole 2008/2009 scenario is the progression (going to the majors essentially first and then AAA). Because it happened backwards we can’t really be sure if Bowker’sAAA season was truly the result of a “revamped approach” or of the typical advance that players who have spent in the major leagues get when going back down to AAA. The inverted development curve introduces a lot of uncertainty into the meaning of his 2009 season.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
the typical advance that players who have spent in the major leagues get when going back down to AAA
I don’t think what he did was typical at all, though. To be honest, given just how poorly he did, I think “typical” would have been more of the same non-MLB caliber hitting in AAA, which really, is all he had ever shown in his career up to that point….
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions
"Typical" is pretty reasonable.
I don’t have hard numbers, but it is pretty clear that most players who have had some exposure to the bigs and get sent back tear up minor-league play out of all proportion to how they would do (or did do) when first coming into a minor-league level in the usual sequence.
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The problem with that line of thinking is that the career trajectory of an above average major league career, statistically speaking, begins with a starting gig by the time a player’s 24 years old in the vast vast vast majority of cases (last time I looked it was a little over 80% the time for all starters of any quality). Bowker’s 27 now, so he’s considerably behind that trajectory already, and there’s lots of people coming up from behind him who aren’t.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
I am not writing this to knock the Giants for trading him.You should knock the Giants for trading him.
Not fanpost material though…
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
not to be outdone, Javier Lopez has pitched 7 very nice innings for the Giants
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 15, 2010 11:17 PM PDT reply actions
I have never known Bowker to mash in AAA
color me surprised.
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Nobody here was happy to see Bowker sent to Pittsburgh in this deal, but we needed a lefty desperately, and Lopez has been much better than we thought he was. There’s sacrifices that have to be made when a team is fighting for a playoff spot. As a fan of the Pittsburgh Pirates, you obviously can’t remember what that’s like.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
by rxmeister on Aug 16, 2010 7:07 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I have a hard time believing Bowker was necessary to get Lopez. I think the organization was perfectly willing to give Bowker up because they don’t believe in him and aren’t willing to let him prove himself, which seems a little unfair.
Ain't no Posey like a Buster Posey cause a Buster Posey don't stop...hitting.
Giants baseball: We're stupid enough to do that (TM)
This
I really think they believed that John Bowker was never going to be an effective major league player. I think it was a “well we don’t want him so you can have him” kind of thing.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Please give it up.
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by jctGamer on Aug 16, 2010 8:45 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Is that from The Last Airbender?
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 16, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
oh howie…..
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by jctGamer on Aug 16, 2010 1:12 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Is that from The Last Airbender?
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 16, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Come call me when Bowker learns how to hit a big league Breaking ball thrown at his backfoot.
If he learns how to do that, he’ll have a Luke Scott type career, if he doesn’t, he’s another Armando Rios.
I love how all of the Bowker apologists haven’t mentioned just how good Lopez has been thus far, SSS or not.
Seems to slip their mind I guess.
Bowker doesn’t need to learn how to hit a breaking ball thrown at his back foot, he needs to learn how to not swing at a breaking ball thrown at his back foot, thus forcing the pitcher to throw him a fastball over the plate which he can drive. This approach has served him pretty well so far in AAA (get ahead in the count by being more selective, drive pitch), and he needs to continue that approach in the bigs instead of pressing. Maybe the low-pressure atmosphere in Pittsburgh will help that.
Ain't no Posey like a Buster Posey cause a Buster Posey don't stop...hitting.
Giants baseball: We're stupid enough to do that (TM)
Dude, Lopez’s performance so far is not meaningful in any way. He’s pitched all of 7 innings with 4 strikeouts and 2 walks. That’s fine, I suppose, but it’s not even “good”, really….
by Missing Barry on Aug 16, 2010 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh okay. Lopez really has been average at best with .57 WHIP and 1.29 ERA. Like I said, it’s a SSS, but he has produced thus far and Bowker thus far in his MLB career hasn’t even been league average. Get over it.
by BustaTheRippa on Aug 16, 2010 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Like I said, it’sa SSSmeaningless
Also, all the research into DIPS theory stuff suggests that for a ball that’s put into play, the hitter is a much bigger factor than the pitcher in what the end result will be. That the hitters haven’t done much hitting in 7 innings doesn’t tell us much about his performance. If he were striking people out, that would be one thing. He’s not. They’ve just hit into outs so far. I’m not sure any of that is really because of the way he’s pitched. And again, we’re talking 7 innings. I mean….Armando Galarraga threw a perfect game* earlier this year, and he sucks as a pitcher….
by Missing Barry on Aug 16, 2010 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Bowker
Fixed his approach, had become a more selective hitter but before he got to showcase it he was benched.
It’s not a platoon? Platooned with Torres
I like how you complain about how bad Bowker has looked and how great Javier Lopez has looked and you’re using the SSS as a basis for your argument however you fail to state that Bowker this year is SSS considering he never got consistent playing time before being sent back to the minors. We just gave up a left handed bat with pop. And you don’t have to hit the backfoot slider, you have to NOT swing at the pitch. LOL
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
LOL at all of this.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Lopez is what he is. A groundball pitcher, who doesn’t have swing or miss stuff. Bowker is also what he is. A guy who can’t lay off a breaking ball or even fight it off due to his short arm flat swing. So the question becomes:
Would you rather have a experienced lefty that is generally league average in the Pen who was needed with Affeldt and Runzler down or:
A hitter with a .678 career OPS in 475 ab’s, with an impressive 29 to 115 BB to K ratio.
Me, I’ll take the lefty, but that’s just common sense.
I do think we needed Lopez on the team. We had a need for a LHP in our pen. I have no problem with our acquisition of him. That doesn’t mean giving up Bowker for it is a good idea, or that Lopez is better than Bowker, or that what we gave up was appropriate. Relievers just don’t carry that much value. Heck, Joe Martinez is more valuable than Lopez – a fringe starter/long reliever type who could pitch substantially more innings (with slightly worse performance) but who’s at least team/cost controlled is a better piece than Lopez. If we were really a well run team, I would have expected something more along the lines of Bowker getting a real MLB shot and possibly being a starting OF for us right now, and then maybe we give up just Martinez for Lopez, and we don’t bother picking up a bum like Guillen. You can say Bowker “is what he is” – but “what he is” is a guy with a .792 OPS MLE this year, and .842 OPS MLE last year…..
And again, 350 of Bowker’s 513 career PA’s came before he actually started hitting in AAA. He’s shown a real improvement as a hitter since then, and he has yet to be given a real shot at PT.
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Look up Posey’s MLE before he came up and then look at his production so far. MLE is virtually meaningless. Last time I checked they don’t take into effect how much better breaking balls are at the show rather than the PCL. And the whole “he never got a chance” line is comical to me. He got a chance at the beginning, albeit a small chance, didn’t produce and in his AB’s showed Sabean and Bochy that he still can’t lay off the backfoot breaking ball. He looked like the same exact hitter he always has looked like when he got his small chance.
And if you think that we could have had Lopez for less than Bowker, more power to ya. I don’t see it that way.
And again, 350 of Bowker’s 513 career PA’s came before he actually started hitting in AAA. He’s shown a real improvement as a hitter since then, and he has yet to be given a real shot at PT.
This is simply false. In 09’ he had a .620 OPS in 67 ab’s, and had a .609 OPS in 82 ab’s this year. That actually means he’s getting worse.
If you want to put your stock into what a player’s hitting statistics look like in the PCL, more power to you. I’m not bashing statistics, I think they’re very useful, but some times you really do have to just watch a player’s at-bats with your eyes to give you another opinion. And Bowker so far at the big leagues has looked completely over matched.
by BustaTheRippa on Aug 17, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Look up Posey’s MLE before he came up and then look at his production so far. MLE is virtually meaningless. Last time I checked they don’t take into effect how much better breaking balls are at the show rather than the PCL.
Sigh. That’s just a lack of understanding of MLE’s. They do take into account the better quality of play at the MLB level – because they’re the average of what guys do when they move from AAA to MLB. All those guys move up from AAA breaking balls to MLB breaking balls. Because there’s variation doesn’t mean MLE’s are virtually meaningless. Variation happens. In fact, smart people looking at it have found minor league stats to be pretty much as meaningful as MLB stats – that is, a given # of PA’s at a minor league level, once adjusted for park and league, is almost the same as that same # of PA’s at the MLB in telling us what a guy is going to do going forward.
As for Posey, taking into account his MLB performance thus far…
Zips projects him at: .283/.354/.416
CHONE: .300/.369/.461
Posey’s MLE’s:
2009 (from Fresno): .274/.331/.415
2010: .294/.370/.433
Not that an exception is meaningful anyways, but Posey doesn’t even look like an exception to me.
And the whole "he never got a chance" line is comical to me. He got a chance at the beginning
He started 10 games in April. That’s not a chance. I was recently told starting 14 games in a month qualifies as a “benching” for Rowand. He then started two more to open up May, and didn’t get another start for almost 2 weeks. All in all he made 18 starts over 2 months. That’s not a chance. If you understand sample error, you know what a screwjob that is. Sample size. It matters.
That actually means he’s getting worse.
Again, sample errror. It does not mean he’s getting worse. You know what does mean he’s getting better, though? Significantly increasing his walk rate and decreasing his strikeout rate – two numbers that have much less variation and that we have a big enough sample to say he’s made significant improvements in those areas. With alegitimate sample size, you can reach those kinds of conclusions. The problem with Bowker is he has not seen anything even resembling a legitimate sample size at the MLB level, which really, really, really limits what conclusions we can make, pretty much down to “we can’t conclude anything”….
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
So you don’t put any stock into the fact that Bowker can’t lay off a breaking ball at the Mlb level? Please answer that. In his small sample size ab’s, he showed he can not hit the breaking ball.
As far as MLE goes, your logic is flawed. While it is true that MLE takes into account what OTHER players have done when adjusting to the big leagues and breaking balls, it doesn’t put any weight into Bowker’s swing type, which is obviously flawed and has shown in most of his at-bats that he can’t adjust. So while a different player with similar PCL statistics might do better in the show with adjusting, that has no weight on what Bowker will do. Again, statistics only get you so far. You can’t guess what Bowker is going to do based on another hitter’s adjustments, while completely ignoring Bowker’s swing type.
by BustaTheRippa on Aug 17, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
As far as MLE goes, your logic is flawed.
Nah, I suspect you just think I’m making conclusions that I’m not. For instance:
statistics only get you so far
No doubt true. I wouldn’t claim otherwise.
So you don’t put any stock into the fact that Bowker can’t lay off a breaking ball at the Mlb level? Please answer that. In his small sample size ab’s, he showed he can not hit the breaking ball.
Not “no stock”. Just not 100% stock into it, either. Somewhere in between. He’s not even at the sample size where K%‘s stabilizes. Sometimes guys have trouble in short periods of time. Sometimes guys even “develop”, that is, they start seeing something and make adjustments and perform better. Bowker hasn’t even been given a chance to do that. Heck, sometimes guy’s even have long MLB careers without ever learning to lay off or hit breaking balls.
Anyways, I’m not trying to make the point that Bowker will be good. I’m trying to make the point that there’s evidence suggesting it’s at least a decent possibility, and he deserves a real shot, something we just straight up have not even come close to giving him, at least since he showed legitimate improvement in AAA. The organization did a terrible job with him, and ended up shipping him off for nothing because we have no interest in him whatsoever, for some reason. The evidence that Bowker won’t produce is extremely, extremely weak.
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The evidence that Bowker won’t produce is extremely, extremely weak.
No, just about a season worth of AB’S that tells us he struggles to be league average.
It is rather simple. He rakes the PCL because the breaking balls in that league suck, the parks are a joke, and the strike zones are questionable at best.
by BustaTheRippa on Aug 17, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
No, just about a season worth of AB’S that tells us he struggles to be league average.
Except there’s strong evidence that most of those PA’s aren’t all that relevant. Your evidence is 163 PA’s spread out in sporadic PT over two seasons.
He rakes the PCL because the breaking balls in that league suck, the parks are a joke, and the strike zones are questionable at best.
And again, things everyone in AAA deals with….
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
No, just about a season worth of AB’S that tells us he struggles to be league average.
I don’t understand how you can say that considering he didn’t even play consistently for one full season so pretty much that’s wrong. You can have your opinions about whether Bowker could produce at the major league level but when you’re bringing in evidence that does not help you I’d stop. Especially when you’re trying to heavily skew the evidence to make your argument work. The bottom line is, Bowker is an unknown. It’s a shame considering last year or in 2008 we should have figured this out by now. He needs consistent playing time and he never got it but I find it funny that you’re citing SSS when you in fact are basing your argument on that. Does Bowker have good numbers this year? No. Did he look pretty bad in his PH appearances? Yes. Some guys are better at PH others are not. I think Bowker is the kind of player (like Nate) who needs consistent playing time and needs a set role in the lineup and that was something he just wasn’t going to get with the Giants. The point is, Bowker had sporadic PA’s and it is very probable that they are irrelevant considering they were so scattered around it was hard for him to get into any kind of groove. Would Bowker be a decent major leaguer? Probably and he could possibly help a team, but unfortunately it wasn’t going to be with the Giants. The only thing we can do is wish him luck and hope that he gets the shot that he so deserved, but was denied in San Francisco.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
No, just about a season worth of AB’S that tells us he struggles to be league average.
I don’t understand how you can say that considering he didn’t even play consistently for one full season so pretty much that’s wrong. You can have your opinions about whether Bowker could produce at the major league level but when you’re bringing in evidence that does not help you I’d stop. Especially when you’re trying to heavily skew the evidence to make your argument work. The bottom line is, Bowker is an unknown. It’s a shame considering last year or in 2008 we should have figured this out by now. He needs consistent playing time and he never got it but I find it funny that you’re citing SSS when you in fact are basing your argument on that. Does Bowker have good numbers this year? No. Did he look pretty bad in his PH appearances? Yes. Some guys are better at PH others are not. I think Bowker is the kind of player (like Nate) who needs consistent playing time and needs a set role in the lineup and that was something he just wasn’t going to get with the Giants. The point is, Bowker had sporadic PA’s and it is very probable that they are irrelevant considering they were so scattered around it was hard for him to get into any kind of groove. Would Bowker be a decent major leaguer? Probably and he could possibly help a team, but unfortunately it wasn’t going to be with the Giants. The only thing we can do is wish him luck and hope that he gets the shot that he so deserved, but was denied in San Francisco.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Edit
He never had a full season AFTER he worked his brand new approach.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
I seriously doubt the Bowker deal will be one-tenth the mistake that Burrell was for Tampa Bay.
Bowker is supposedly in his prime and yet never has had any success professionally. It’s not like he was hitting it hard and had bad luck… he’s always looked poor against Major League pitching. He’ll probably get serviceable sometime… but this guy is no superstar.
Thats what happens usually
When you’re pressing because you know that under this management you’re only as good as your last AB and being a young player you have to absolutely kill the ball to stay in the lineup.
Also I don’t believe anyone said that he would be a “superstar” but he has pop and he would have definitely been an improvement in the lineup over someone like Rowand.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
With Burrell, I think if you fall into the “coming to SF turned things around for him” line of thought (which also means crediting Sabean & co for recognizing something was going on in TB besides a 33 year old completely losing it), you can’t say TB made a mistake. That logic, which may or may not be right (I honestly have no idea), more or less says he probably wouldn’t have turned it around in TB. So they only made a mistake if you genuinely think everything that’s happened with Burrell has just been sample error thus far.
It’s not like he was hitting it hard and had bad luck… he’s always looked poor against Major League pitching. He’ll probably get serviceable sometime… but this guy is no superstar.
Agree he’s no superstar. It’s not like a “meh” defender at a corner OF spot who hits for an ~.800 OPS (which I think would be the estimate of the “Bowker can do it!” camp, if you look at MLE’s and his Zips/CHONE projections) is a star. I don’t think it’s fair to point to his lack of MLB success, though. He received all of 163 PA’s last year and this year combined, all in sporatic PT and/or PH appearances. True, he was terrible in those PA’s, but shit happens. An .800 OPS guy with below average to average COF defense is still better than Jose Guillen, and likely better than our other options, too. If you can get that kind of production out of a team controlled player making the minimum, that’s a nice piece to have.
Incidentally, that’s almost the exact same thing I said about Fred Lewis, only there was more certainty with Fred. It’d sure be nice to have him around right now. How quickly our glut of COF’s turned into nothing. Between our old guys doing what old guys sometimes do (Rowand being bad, DeRosa being hurt), and our young guys having a Giant Organziational shit taken on them (Lewis, Bowker, Schierholtz) for no reason….well, we’re left thinking about what might have been…
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Also, not that anecdotes are evidence or Bowker = Dustin Pedroia, but in 2006 the Red Sox brought Pedroia up and gave him 98 PA’s at the end of the year (mostly in regular PT). He responded with a 40 wRC+. You know what happened the next year? Dustin Pedroia broke out of Spring Training as the starting 2B for the Red Sox, and put up a ~4 WAR season. The point is not to say Bowker will follow in those footsteps – the point is that sometimes, guys fail in small sample sizes despite having more talent than they displayed. Sometimes, it makes sense to stick with them and keep them in your plans, because if they really are that talented, eventually, you’re going to be rewarded.
A SSS of poor MLB performance, especially in a situation where the guy is fucked with the way Bowker’s been, doesn’t give us very conclusive evidence that he can’t perform. If this was the Red Sox doing what we’ve done to a player, I’d probably give their talent evaluators the benefit of the doubt and say they must see something that makes them discount his AAA performance. This isn’t the Red Sox, though. This is the Giants. An organization who’s top baseball man says he doesn’t know what to make of minor league stats. An organization who’s manager has a love fetish with veteran grit. An organization who, eariler this very year, shipped out a cheap, productive corner OF for reasons that don’t seem to make sense. That the Giants have obviously decided to never give Bowker a shot doesn’t really make me believe he can’t perform at the MLB level….
by Missing Barry on Aug 17, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Damn I hate having to have all this Red Sox envy. Red Sox envy is easily the worst thing about baseball in the 21st century. And I so enjoyed the 20th century’s quaint Red Sox pity.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
black sheep have you any swill?
Yes sir yes sir coming from my keyboard.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 18, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Bowker since trade
.306/.344/.529 in 90 PAs…which seems good unless you look at his Fresno numbers
.310/.388/.594 in 224 PAs
Oh yeah…
Fresno: 23 walks 37 Ks in 224 PAs
Since trade: 4 walks 18 Ks in 90 PAs

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