Twitter / Ken Rosenthal: Rival executive says Guillen to SF Giants is "done."
I just don't get it. But then, I hated the Joe Carter move, too. Pesky, pesky logic. I would think this means Nate Schierholtz tries to sneak through waivers if he isn't in the deal.
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Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
god why do i feel like he’s the new everyday RF
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Nate missed played that one fly ball.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Aug 13, 2010 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions
unbelievable
I don't have a very high opinion of southern California, in sports or in general
by short_shifter on Aug 13, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Rowand – CF
Sanchez – 2B
Uribe – 3B
Huff – LF
Guillen -RF
Ishikawa – 1B
Renteria – SS
Whiteside – C
Cain – P
by Grant Brisbee on Aug 13, 2010 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions
FTFY
Rowand – CF
Sanchez – 2B
Uribe – 3B
Huff – LF
Guillen -RF
Ishikawa – 1B
Renteria – SS
Whiteside – C
Sanchez – P
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Aug 13, 2010 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Mo' Bettah
Rowand – CF
Burriss – 2B
Renteria – SS
Schierholtz – LF
Guillen -RF
Ishikawa – 1B
Fontenot – 3B
Whiteside – C
Sanchez – P
"A foghorn blowing out wild and cold." -Dire Straits
Jesus H. Baker
This looks like one of Dusty’s Sunday lineups
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
i think bochy should consider putting eli 2nd
with rowy and whitey in the top two spots, we’ve got our speedy rabbits setting the table
My head is spinning
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
Wow, some nightmares there.
Jeaaaggaahh
by Soulbrother16 on Aug 13, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
The Sabean credo:
If it ain’t broke, fix it till it is.
by betterthanbochy on Aug 13, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s so true, I was legitimately content with this team. Then we had to start fucking things up.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m guessing the deal will be for Schierholtz straight up.
by betterthanbochy on Aug 13, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
No way. It’s going to be for some marginal arm in the minors.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
They won’t be able to sneak Scheirholtz thru waivers. So who would you DFA?
by betterthanbochy on Aug 13, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Schierholtz.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s either Schierholtz or Burriss. I guess Burriss can be optioned down.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Burriss also
has the advantage of sucking
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
To be fair, they both suck.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Manny Burriss has a career .283/.341/.337 line in about 1100 MiLB ABs and is 25 and has an option left
Nate is 26 and has a career .305/.350/.513 line in about 1700 career MiLB ABs and has no option left.
Adopted Nut: Paraparaumu, New Zealand native, Andy Skeels
So Burriss sucks more. Fair enough.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Mmm...pickled muppets!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 13, 2010 8:43 AM PDT reply actions
Well
As a bench bat, he’s better than anyone else we have.
As anything else, he sucks.
Guess it depends how he’s used. Sigh.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
i want to believe that he is only going to be used to PH
and never allowed to play defense.
this is probably unrealistic.
Hopefully Bochy loves Travis/Aaron more than Jose.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
i would understand it more if guillen had any semblance of a platoon split
but there is none. whyyyyyyyy
.314 OBP.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
THIS
Also important: We better not have sent the Royals anything of value.
As long as a) he NEVER starts, (barring some unforeseen injury, crosses fingers) and b) we gave up only a fringy-at-best prospect.
If both of these conditions are fulfilled, I’m okay with this. Otherwise……ARGH!!!!
clubhouse cancer
And the worst part, those fukin’ douchenozzles over at the MCC get to lord this over us.
As a bench bat, he’s better than anyone else we have.
Even this isn’t really true. I doubt he’s better than Rowand.
I don’t not disagree.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
he's about the same as Rowand
but still, he’s a better bench bat than Burriss or Nate
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
The bright side is ...
No more Renteria then. Gotta keep Panda at 3rd and Huff at 1st.
The dark side is… well, Guillen.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
...
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I would think a headcase like Guillen is the definition of a guy who “needs a change of scenery”
Lets see how he does…
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
One problem though
Guillen has needed 9 “changes of scenery.” He’s not a good clubhouse guy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Guill%C3%A9n
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
I don't believe Burrell was ever said to be a bad clubhouse guy
And if they did, it wasn’t 9 different times.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 13, 2010 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions
i think he got a LITTLE bit of bad press in tampa
but NOTHING like the kind of craziness that guillen has. only milton bradley compares.
and burrell has played for 2 teams only, he was loved in philadelphia.
That was one "needs a change of scenery"
Guillen “needs a shrink.”
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
I’ve never heard Burrell called a bad clubhouse guy
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Huff has known Burrell since their collegiate days at Miami, and they’ve stayed close over the years. Both of them came to the Giants with dubious reputations, guys who were portrayed as disruptive influences in the clubhouse and probably not worth the trouble.
Tampa Tribune columnist Joe Henderson described Burrell as a “dour drone” and suggested the designated hitter’s negative clubhouse influence was one of the reasons the 2009 Rays were so disappointing in defense of their AL pennant.
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
So, one guy. That’s a far cry from Guillen’s reputation.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
It wasn’t just one guy! I read/heard that a few times about Burrell when he came over. Those quotes are from two different articles
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
I never heard that while he was a Philly though, only after he went to Tampa and wasn’t hitting as well.
Guillen has always been portrayed as a bad clubhouse guy, even when he was hitting well.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Gammons, a couple weeks ago, told a story on KNBR on how Guillen didn’t run hard and scored his run too late and cost the Royals a game.
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by The Enchanter on Aug 13, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
that was mainly the batter's fault for overhustling
tried to stretch a 1B into 2B with 2 out as Guillen was rounding 3B
The money lies in the RBIs
-- Jeff Kent
It sounds like Burrell was just kind of depressed because he wasn’t doing well. Huff admitted in his interview yesterday that he was kind of a “me first” guy in Baltimore because the team sucked so badly. Doesn’t make him the best teammate, but not a “cancer.”
Guillen reads as a cancer.
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That’s ridiculous. That sounds like Burrell isn’t “fired up enough” because he’s an even-keel guy.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
9 times, Heimy
9
I know you can’t think these are the same situations.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 13, 2010 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions
But Guillen’s put up a 94 OPS+ and -1.2 WAR in his last 1382 plate appearances. Why do we even want to give him a chance?
I know you can point to Burrell, but that was a much smaller sample size and he had a much better history of success.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
by jponry on Aug 13, 2010 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think as a bat off the bench he can be useful. If he starts being a problem, I’m sure the Giants will just release him
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
If he’s used mostly off the bench, I don’t mind this, but I have the nagging worry that he’s the new starting RF.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Come on Heimy
Look at the manager. Do you really think Guillen would strictly be a bench player?
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
Thats how Burrell was supposed to be, so yes bench player unless he starts really contributing
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
You are quite the optimist. I admire you, it must be nice being happy about everything!
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Not with Bork as the manager
Guillen would start everyday with Ish benched and Huff at 1st.
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
Wreck'd hard.
For truth.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
This
I don’t have a problem with Burrell because of one team didn’t like him.
9 teams haven’t liked Guillen. And it’s said he isn’t a good clubhouse influence right now on the Royals.
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
I don’t remember Ferris being sick nine times.
.277/.399/.518 out of a shortstop?!
Keep on, keepin' on, Ryan Cavan
Nine times???
Niiiiine tiiiiiiimes
Boo
by LosGigantesTodoElTiempo on Aug 13, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
NINE TIMES
Wake up and smell the coffee.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?
I honestly and truly
Do not believe that “clubhouse chemistry” has anything to do with how well a team plays.
My problem with Guillen is not that he’s a dick, which very well might be true.
My problem is that he, you know, isn’t very good. Who cares about his clubhouse rep?
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
I don't know
I think clubhouse chemistry can be overrated, but the Giants seem to have a really strong clubhouse at the moment. I would be wary about adding a guy like Guillen to that.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
All I know is
The best Giants teams I ever watched featured two guys who literally got into a fistfight in the dugout… and played better than they ever had together.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
lets be honest
talking about 2 hof’ers and one of them being arguably the greatest player ever is not the same as jose guillen
Do you think Bonds and Kent would have played better if they liked each other and had fun in the clubhouse?
I don’t. I don’t think clubhouse chemistry matters.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
Swing and a miss.
It’s probably not reasonable to evaluate the effects of clubhouse turmoil with a Bonds-Kent clash as the basis for your argument. Those two guys represented the top 1% of all MLB talent at the time, and one of those guys might be the greatest player of all time.
what about those crazy A’s teams a few years back who would go to the playoffs and had nick swisher with his long hair and all the fun they were having together? they had great clubhouse chemistry
That always cracks me up
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh, and didn’t Giambi have a “drive it like you stole it” shirt?
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
What about the 1972-1974 A’s, who were notorious for hating each other, had horrible clubhouse chemistry, and won three straight WS?
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I think that's different
Because it’s factions, not everyone against one guy.
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by Giant Torture on Aug 13, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I do have confidence that if Guillen is that bad in the clubhouse, then Sabean will release him.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
He dumped Pierzynski after trading half the team for him.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, we didn’t offer Pierzynski arb and let him walk after the season.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
he didnt dump him mid season though
we spent a whole season with that asshole
True. Then AJ was the starting C for the WS winning White Sox, so his dickiness apparently didn’t prevent that from happening.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
And he even contributed heavily with his cheating!
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
like my psych classes teach me
anecdotal evidence is not evidence
How is that anecdotal? The 2005 Chicago White Sox had several players who had a detailed history of being malcontents, and ended up winning the World Series.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
…that’s pretty much the definition of an anecdote?
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
So you’re making the argument that there is not enough evidence so say whether or not AJ Pierzynski or Carl Everett were crumbums?
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
*to
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
no, they were complete assholes
were saying that that one team in 2005 that one the world series with a bunch of assholes on it is the anecdote
Never get tired of seeing this
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
The point is the 2005 White Sox = anecdote.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t understand. How? It’s an example.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Which is what an anecdote is. One story.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Which I said didn’t prove anything. were you reading what I said? I’ll restate it for you: bad clubhouse guy does not prevent winning.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ve stayed out of most of the discussion, you’ve been maknig good points. I’m strictly talking about anecdotes and the usefulness (or lackthereof) of them.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
i only made the claim that it was anecdotal because thats one team in one year. in the past 6 years theres a little over 180 teams that are assembled in the MLB. how many of those teams have guys that are clubhouse cancers and dont amount to jack shit. so in the last 6 years, including the 2005 white sox, there have been how many teams that even went to the playoffs that had bad clubhouse guys. 5? 10? even if we say its 10 teams in the last 6 years that had bad clubhouse guys, thats only 5 percent of the time.
The problem is that you aren’t providing any evidence.
My premise is that bad clubhouse guys won’t prevent a team from winning. I give you the 72-74 A’s, the 77-78 Yankees, 05 White Sox, and many more that I won’t bother looking up or citing.
The only anecdotes I reference are those that told me certain players and teams had clubhouse cancers, and that’s the best I can do not being in the clubhouse. I’m not providing a causal mechanism via anecdote either; in fact, I’m doing the opposite, claiming that there is no causal mechanism between clubhouse cancer and not winning.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
your right and your wrong
your wrong in that you continue to bring up anecdotes of teams that are well documented for doing well while hating each other. however, your going back 30 and 40 years, and the percentage of teams that do well with bad players is very, very small.
that being said, you are right in that theres no causal mechanism between clubhouse cancer and not winning, although there could be a correlation. Correlation doesnt prove causation, but if there is a correlation between cancers and not winning, i wanna steer clear, and thats my point.
Are you actually attempting to teach me a lesson in correlation and causation? From your “psych classes?”
Come on. I’m telling you there is no causation, and I doubt there is correlation either. You are attempting to invalidate my premise with absolutely nothing. You state “the percentage of teams that do well with bad players is very, very small.” So do you mean bad players or bad clubhouse guys, and do you have even a modicum of evidence to support this?
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
i misspoke
i meant bad clubhouse guys, my bad.
Dont get defensive man, I didnt mean to insult you, its just that I’m trying to get my masters in psychology and i see all the time people are trying to associate causality when there is a correlation.
And for your question, no i have not gone back through all 180 teams or so in the past 6 years and looked at whether or not they had bad clubhouse guys. All im saying is that we say that in the past 6 years, we estimate that there have been about 10 teams that had bad clubhouse guys that went on to do well and make it to the post season, thats about 6 percent of the time. That was my only point.
I very much agree that people screw up causation and correlation, and that people misuse anecdote to show causation. Come to think of it, that’s Fox News.
I certainly haven’t done a study on bad clubhouse guys and winning. Most teams aren’t going to go to the postseason by definition, and it would be very difficult to quantify “bad” in the clubhouse anyway. My point only was that it is certainly not dispositive that a bad clubhouse guy will keep a team from winning. To be fair, maybe Pierzynski changed; the bad rep from the Twins and Giants does not appear to have followed him to the White Sox.
For the record, I have a poli sci degree from Cal and am an attorney. My GF is a psychiatrist. I deal with correlation and causation every day, as well as the sufficiency of evidence in the legal and medical world. I realize that people on the interwebz don’t necessarily know that, and I took a fair break from this place (I formerly lived here, basically) so I’m not as well known as before.
It’s cool.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
When you have enough anecdotes
It becomes a sample.
There are a lot of dicks, douches, and bad clubhouse guys who play well on good teams.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
A sample comes from sampling the population, though – picking and choosing your anecdotes doesn’t give you a usable sample.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Having an asshole player didn’t prevent them from winning the WS. It’s pretty clear what I’m saying and the import thereof.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, this is one of the best pieces to advice to remember ever. And apply it to every aspect of life, especially politics….
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree to an extent
You need to be a pretty big asshole in the clubhouse before it starts effecting the whole team, unfortunately guys like Milton Bradley and Jose Guillen are big enough assholes that clubhouse chemistry gets over-exaggerated in a lot of instances, but not for those two, they’re cancers.
So optimistic I fart sunshine and rainbows.
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Aug 13, 2010 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions
You need to be an even BIGGER asshole . . .
to start AFFECTING the whole team. Yes, nerdly English major point, I know.
by NiceGuysFinishEtc on Aug 13, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Two months
Guys like Guillen and Bradley tend to be on best behavior for a while then blow. Bradley helped the As bigtime (although the mos overrated GM in sports history gave up Ethier in the bargain). Then he overstayed his welcome as he has everywhere else.
The Giant have strong Latin leadership. Guillen will be on his best behavior. He won’t be resigned next year. So the clubhouse stuff is not, imo, a big deal.
As a bat off the bench he can be useful. That is how Burrell was intended to be, but he played his way into the lineup
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
I agree with this
And I hope he’s just a bat off the bench type.
But I’m verrrrry wary.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
If that's all he was I would agree
But you’re forgetting the small matter of carcinogens, he’s not like cigarettes to a clubhouse, more like nuclear fallout, it’s not a matter of if, but when.
So optimistic I fart sunshine and rainbows.
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Aug 13, 2010 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions
If you look at his game logs, this is not really how it happened with Burrell. He was pretty much starting almost every game from the very beginning. He lost a bit of PT in July, but he was never really a bench player.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?n1=burrepa01&t=b&year=2010
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I remember them saying he’d come off the bench, but then started his second game as a Giant.
I lol’d.
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Yep
It is inevitable
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by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 13, 2010 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I think its because he was hitting very well. They started him a few times to see what they had (and this is Giants FO logic) and since he started off hot and helping the team they played him a lot. when his his magic wore down he stopped getting as much pt and now that he is back swinging well again he starts.
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by TexasRanger on Aug 13, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I dunno why people are straining so hard to make it look like we planned to use Burrell as a bench player. What we did with him fit perfectly into Sabean/Bochy’s MO, he was going to be a starter all along unless he failed miserably.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah this.
The whole “Let’s see how he does in Fresno” thing was utter bullshit too.
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by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions
This
SIMS
So optimistic I fart sunshine and rainbows.
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Aug 13, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I just don’t worry about clubhouse chemistry because I don’t think it’s something anyone really knows how it affects performance, it’s something nobody can really accurately assess whether it’s “good” or “bad”….it’s just something we don’t know crap about. It’s like talking about confidence in the business world. Yes, business confidence has an impact on the economy. No, nobody has been able to assess it in any meaningful way so far. If you can’t accurately assess it….why would you bother taking it into account?
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
The reason I'm taking it into account
is because of his history as an alleged clubhouse cancer. We have a young team and you can just tell everyone feels comfortable with each other and is having a ton of fun. Perhaps chemistry means nothing, and if it means nothing, its not gonna affect any results. However, if it does mean something, even if its unquantifiable, I dont want a bad clubhouse guy coming anywhere near this team to mess it up. Its pascals wager essentially
Yes, I do believe in a case like Guillen, you’re probably safe saying “if it has an effect, it’s going to be negative”…
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
But other than in extreme instances like this, I still wouldn’t worry about it.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
i would only take into account for 2 instances
this, and if milton bradley suddenly joined our team
I’ll admit to having a soft spot for Milton Bradley….
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I think he has serious emotional issues but that he’s manning up to try to deal with them headon for the first time in his life, and it doesn’t necessarily have to make him a bad teammate.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
He doesn’t appear to be a terrible guy at all outside the clubhouse.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
unless you're his landlord from Chicago?
Go jump in Toews Lake.
Aubrey: old German for king of the elves. Huff: English for...huff.
Not a fan
I blame Marty Lurie.
…
Oh, and Sabean. I also blame Brian Sabean.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Aug 13, 2010 8:45 AM PDT reply actions
Same people are also saying they don’t expect this to be more than a bench more for the Giants. Guillen off the bench for a nothing prospect or cash, great move. Guillen as a starter for a legit prospect or a piece and they should fire Sabean on the spot.
by Michael Uhlhorn on Aug 13, 2010 8:45 AM PDT reply actions
great move
Great move? Inconsequential and not damaging to the team, maybbe, but not really “positive” either. Guillen starting? Now that makes the team worse.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions
It would be a great move because you give up nothing for a guy who can contribute to the team.; I don’t see how that is ever a bad move.
by Michael Uhlhorn on Aug 13, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
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by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 13, 2010 8:47 AM PDT reply actions
Biggest series of the year so far...
So it makes sense that we would trot out out FUCKING SECOND TEAM!
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
Oh, but
Doesn’t it seem more likely that we would get rid of Burriss than Nate? Now that we have Font?
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My Son
Hopefully...
Burris hasn’t shown that he can do anything at this level. Font is at least a career .280 hitter…
And he’s gritty.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
honestly i like having burriss
if hes used for pinch running. i think his speed is something off the bench we don’t have. but of course guillen fucks this up.
We have Eli for that.
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Plus the dreamy eyes.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
No, because Fontenot isn’t an acceptable SS.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Neither is Burriss.
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"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
How about Rohlinger, who should be in Burriss’s spot?
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions
September.
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No I mean SS defense – how good?
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
He’s probably not very good, but he can fake it
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by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions
He plays a lot of SS in Fresno. I think they’re trying to make him into a passable SS. That said, he’s probably better at 3B.
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He’s supposed to be really friggin good at 3B, though. That makes me think that he’d be fine as a backup SS.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
He's basically the everyday SS at Fresno
I’m not much worried about his defensive capabilities. I’d take him over Burriss at SS. And I’d take him over Downs at any IF position, also.
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Well, naturally you would.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, because I think he’s a good player. Thus, my fandom. Is that confusing or something?
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Nah, you’re just the Rohlinger bandwagon driver… nothing bad about that.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Rohlinger
does not have the bat to play in the majors. Not at this point at least. Fontinot will be fine for a game is needed. If something happens to Uribe, then Burriss would be my bet. He at least brings some speed and he is better at SS that Rohlinger, who will have very limited range at SS.
Yeah, but you’re the guy who just characterized Guillen as a ‘threat’.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Your right
And he is. Anyone with 200 plus career HR’s is a threat. Also – I’m comparing him to Ishi and Rowand. Its not like he’s replacing Vlad Guerrero. I’m not a Guillen fan. I just its a low risk move that may pan out. It may not. Nothing ventured nothing gained. Now as Ive said, my opinion changes if that player to be named laer is anything but a low level prospect.
3B and SS are different skills. I’m not sure it necessarily works like that.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Buster is a better SS than Burriss
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I misread that as "Burrell" and had a heart attack.
…and wanted to kill you for a brief moment. Sorry about that .
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This says it all
Rob Iracane iracane
With new arrival Jose Guillen, the Giants seem to employ a lot of DHs for a team in the National League.
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by 49er16 on Aug 13, 2010 8:53 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
One thing it misses
Your GM has got to be some kind of special idiot for this to happen.
So optimistic I fart sunshine and rainbows.
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Aug 13, 2010 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
The worst part is Guillen is a DH who can’t hit. :(
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions
hit .304 in April and .340 in June
barely Mendoza line in May and July
The money lies in the RBIs
-- Jeff Kent
Guillen is a shitty DH too.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 13, 2010 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
This, sadly.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 13, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s just so pointless.
Nothing better happen to Nate. Giants Babe and I will be devastated.
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Nate's ok, he's left handed
Burriss, not so much.
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I bet Nate goes. There’s no backup MI if he stays.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, no backup SS.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
We traded for Fontenot remember
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This also tells me Renteria won’t be reactivated until Sept 1st.
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September call-up is coming up..duhhh
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by BayAreaKidd650 on Aug 13, 2010 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I know, but:
Fontenot should only be at SS in the most dire of circumstances
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess, but
Fontenot at SS is, as a total player, better than Burriss at SS, even if Font is worse on D.
Mostly because Burriss just straight up can’t hit.
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I agree that Burriss sucks. Don’t get me wrong.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Brian....
You were doing so well for a while….
You got rid of Bengie, you got Burrell cheap, you didn’t give up Belt/Neal/Wheeler…
WHYYYYY?
by Rook Takes Pawn on Aug 13, 2010 8:54 AM PDT reply actions
Before we jump off the cliff...
Has the team confirmed?
After all, it’s not like Rosenthal hasn’t screwed up on a “scoop” before…
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
This is being reported in more than one place.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions
But is it being reported by more than one source?
Still seems like everyone is going off of the ESPN Deportes guy and Rosenthal quoting another GM (how the hell would another GM know?)
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
Some other crap GM was thinking of dealing for Guillen, and was told that the Giants already got him?
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s pretty well confirmed.
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Dammit, give me a moment of hope!
Before you dash my dreams on your damn reality!
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Hope
Brian Sabean won’t live forever.
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by Giant Torture on Aug 13, 2010 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions
They didn’t trade Belt. There. There’s your hope.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
STOP CRYING PEOPLE
you guys were crying about how the Giants needed another “big bat” they clearly got it now, and now everyone is skeptical about more offense? how does this hurt the team? do everyone a favor and STFU
lets see what he can do!!
DUBfan4life!!!!
by BayAreaKidd650 on Aug 13, 2010 8:57 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
does Guillen use a larger bat than average? I wasn’t aware of this.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Huge, makes other players ashamed, hence the clubhouse problems.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 13, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Shut up, dickhead
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 13, 2010 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm in this line.
entrenched.
Chained to a tree nearby
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
/is mad that Cody got to his tree first and begins to look for another one
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NOT A BIG BAT
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
While I don't care for your language (and clearly you don't know how MCC works)
I do share your sentiment somewhat. Anything can happen in 100 At Bats, which is about the maximum Jose Guillen will have with the Giants.
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He could Ricky Ledee it!!
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"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
OR RANDY WINN!!!!!!
(and sign a 3 year extension)
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Not crying here.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Aug 13, 2010 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Just getting fired…I punch my LCD screen and broke it. I’m going to blame it on a rogue cat.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Aug 13, 2010 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Time for anger management training?
…maybe you will see Guillen there too
Threerserf goes tehhe kkeeybooaroafd
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Aug 13, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
ENJOY THE GAME
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
and now everyone is skeptical about more offense?
Jose Guillen is not even as good as Pat Burrell, he possibly upgrades the bench, but the Giants’ immediate need was for a left-handed bat. Also, Guillen hurts the defense more than he helps the offense.
how does this hurt the team?
“Clubhouse cancer,” the Giants’ already have the same type of bat, but better; bad fielder, hurts the shaky defense (please don’t tell me again about how the Giants have the fewest errors in the league — they also have one of the worst ranges in the league).
do everyone a favor and STFU
Please do not employ the LA-LA-LA I can’t hear you defense. You literally look like a Dodgers fan.
don’t feed the troll
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions
oh i'll feed the skeptical troll alright
DUBfan4life!!!!
by BayAreaKidd650 on Aug 13, 2010 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions
You really aren’t aware that you are the troll, are you?
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
i know you were skeptical about Pat Burrell?
i dont see you complaining about his production on offense and defense,
you should call up Sabean and tell him that you dont like Guillen on this team, he will consider your thoughts and ideas.
who would u rather have in the batters box Schierholtz or Guillen? my point exactly
DUBfan4life!!!!
by BayAreaKidd650 on Aug 13, 2010 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Burrell was not as bad as Guillen has been in recent history and he had a much better history of success.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Guillen’s last 1.5 years in KC were better offensively than Burrell’s in TB.
The Giants don’t fare well against pitchers.
Burrell used to be really good though.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
i guess nobody is good enough for him
he clearly wants an all-star team, which is impossible because he is living in LA -LA land
DUBfan4life!!!!
by BayAreaKidd650 on Aug 13, 2010 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I was not skeptical about Pat Burrell
I thought it was a great idea before it happened. Pat Burrell, not a douche-bag, Jose Guillen epic douche-bag.
So optimistic I fart sunshine and rainbows.
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Aug 13, 2010 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Your arguments would be (slightly) easier to take seriously if you used better spelling, punctuation and capitalization.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree with some of your points
But you’re also talking out of your ass: The Giants are 3rd in the majors in UZR this year.
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My Son
To be fair, Guillen has no platoon split, so he fills the LHH role better than any other RHH.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL U
Big bat? Hahahahaha!
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♥BARRY ZITO♥
"Big Bat" is not considered the same in the 90's
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by BayAreaKidd650 on Aug 13, 2010 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I seriously don’t think Jose Guillen is what people meant when they believed the Giants needed a big bat to get in the playoffs. Look at his statistics: he isn’t very good.
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Whatever time frame you want to talk about, Guillen is a below average hitter.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Guillen’s numbers would have been ‘big bat’ prior to Babe Ruth, it’s true.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
JeffFletcherAOL
Guillen has hit .183, 3 HRs over last 30 games. Just sayin. #tweakingthegiantsfans #busterposey
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IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
TOO MUCH DUMB FOR ONE THREAD
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He’s making fun of himself.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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I don’t really “get” twitter.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 13, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
If you see the # sign, that means he’s referring to something. In this case, he’s referring to the small sample size he used to say Posey won’t hit well on Guillen.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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Learn something new everyday!
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 13, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Well played, mauer
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P.T.F. Bat
by deuce deuce on Aug 13, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, it’s an ass-hatty thing to say. And it reeks of passive-aggression.
by Every6thDay on Aug 13, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Are you purposely being stupid?
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
You’ve clearly invested a lot of time in to reading this blog and its comments
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by Prussian Creole on Aug 13, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m not murderous, hopping mad or angry. I’m more tiffed.
The Magic is inside all of us.
Proud father of the man taking your hard-earned money.
Remember when you did something utterly stupid and indefensible in high school and you were expecting your dad to blow up at you, but he was just sad and disappointed in you as a person? I feel like a disappointed dad right now.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
You can bank on Guillen being the new starting RFer, with Huff moving to 1B and Ishikawa to the bench.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 8:57 AM PDT reply actions
This is my fear
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Well weren't ppl worried that Huff was running out of gas in the outfield?
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by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 13, 2010 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Lars, I think this may be the one and only time I want to give you a hug
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NY is playing NJ in the little league regional semi-finals. They should have a bridge and tunnel on the field.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 13, 2010 8:58 AM PDT reply actions
baseball wise
its a pretty solid move to once again, strengthen the bench.
I’m just realllllllly worried hes gonna disrupt the chemistry, mojo, flow whatever you wanna call it of this team right now.
I’m not worried about that. I’m worried THAT HE SUCKS
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Not worried about him disrupting the clubhouse.
There are some majorly large guys there who can talk to him calmly and let him know when he becomes a problem. If that doesn’t work, those same guys can employ different methods to show him the advantages of being quiet and polite. Veteran guys. Guys with standing and experience. Sizeable, veteran guys.
by mrs. owlcroft on Aug 13, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
The problem with this theory is that that is the definition of disruption. Whether bad blood is split evenly between players or directed by all towards one it’s still bad blood.
I’m not one of those people who thinks chemistry is a be-all-end-all of baseball production, but I do think that taking that aspect of it, one the players themselves always mention, and screwing around with it this late into the season when we’re so close is a recipe for disaster.
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Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
by Prussian Creole on Aug 13, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
its a pretty solid move to once again, strengthen the bench.
You do realize that Jose Guillen sucks, right?
And that he’ll be starting.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Why not Adam Dunn?
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
The Nats were being ridiculous about what they wanted
And he was claimed by someone before the Giants had a shot at him
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by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 13, 2010 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Wasn't it the Ducking Fodgers?
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
Dunn was blocked by the Dodgers.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Damn them
Don’t they have games to blow?
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
9 games out
Really out of the play offs at this point, but still enjoying a chance to screw the Giants.
Although the Phillis would have grabbed him first anyway…
why not think logically?
DUBfan4life!!!!
by BayAreaKidd650 on Aug 13, 2010 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Assuming this is true
C Posey
1B Huff
2B Sanchez
SS Uribe
3B Panda
LF Burrell
CF Torres
RF Guillen
LH bench – Ishikawa, Schierholtz, Font
RH bench – Rowand
Pinch Runner – Whiteside
If we assume that Guillen > Rowand at the plate (safe), it might make sense
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
I’ll actually be kind of surprised if Guillen actually plays every day.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I agree, but only because of Rowand.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
This is the end of Rowand as anything but a bench guy
Guillen will play everyday in RF Rowand now a PH and defensive replacement. As he should be.
I doubt that. I think Burriss stays and Schierholtz goes.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't see this
Schierholtz is better at the plate, just as fast on the bases, and is a great defensive replacement type.
Burris can’t hit, and isn’t any better than Fontenot in the field.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
I think the defensive replacement thing is good in Nate's favor
Bochy likes putting Nate in for Burrell.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
But that won’t matter. There’s still Torres, Burrell, Rowand, Guillen – all OFers – and Huff, who can be an OFer. Why keep Schierholtz if he’s so far down the list, now that Fontenot is another LH bat?
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Of course
Why keep Nate, when you could have an all water buffalo outfield? You keep Nate, because Burrell and Huff are terribly good OF’s and Rowand-2 can’t play anything but CF.
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by Giant Torture on Aug 13, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Typing fail
*aren’t
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by Giant Torture on Aug 13, 2010 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Huff LF, Rowand CF, Torres RF is not a bad OF, even if Torres should be in CF
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
What happens if Rowand was already used
Or if Torres has leg tightness again? They don’t need Jose Guillen, because they already have Pat Burrell, who coincidentally is not a gigantic douche.
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by Giant Torture on Aug 13, 2010 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Burris has options Nate doesnt
They wont DFA Nate. He provides two things they need – speed and a corner outfield skill
better not be in that order
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by BayAreaKidd650 on Aug 13, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
If we assume that Guillen > Rowand at the plate (safe), it might make sense
He’s not. Ishikawa > Guillen v RHP, Rowand > Guillen v LHP.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Torres can cover all three outfield positions, it’s fine, trust me.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 13, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Guillen > Rowand at the plate (safe)
People keep saying this as if it were self-evident. Look at the numbers.
The past two years, Brian Sabean has acquired mid-season:
Freddy Sanchez, Ryan Garko, Chris Ray, Ramon Ramirez, Jennifer Lopez and Jose Guillen. What other miscellaneous items am I missing?
well
Pat Burrell
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Penny was a very solid move, and not one of those “sample error in our favor” moves, etiher…
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions
But
It was followed up by Sabean pretending to try to sign him, only to later be refuted by Penny and instead signing Todd Walkameyer.
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by Giant Torture on Aug 13, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
From what I can recall
There were very few people on MCC who wanted Penny at the price that he ended up signing for.
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THIS
He was always going to be a great fourth starter, but paying him like a #2 just wasn’t practical.
I wouldn’t say 7.5 million is a #2’s salary, and they would have had the money if they would have kept Frandsen and not signed Franchez.
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by Giant Torture on Aug 13, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t really have a sense of what money means in Baseball anymore.
by Every6thDay on Aug 13, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
So much freakin' this
rec’d
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Which is fine
I would have liked for the Giants to re-sign him, but I can respect that the price was a little high. What isn’t fine, is lying about trying to re-sign him ala Jeff Kent.
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by Giant Torture on Aug 13, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
and he ended up injured to shit like usual and unable to pitch, and now Bumgarner is up, so not a bad move not resigning him
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by TexasRanger on Aug 13, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Unfortunately, Wellemeyer has done shit this year. And that “shit” has been negative.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
While you were typing that
Walkameyer, issued two walks followed by a homerun.
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by Giant Torture on Aug 13, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
That was in my head; forgot to write them down. Yes, let’s add them to the flotsam as that is certainly worthwhile:
Brad Penny ()
Pat Burrell ()
Freddy Sanchez (-)
Ryan Garko (-)
Chris Ray ()
Ramon Ramirez (?)
J-Lo ()
Jose Guillen (-)
You know....
While I am not at all a fan of this trade, I have to give you a little shit for this listing. Bottom line is, you can’t give any of the later acquisitions (Rod, JLo, Guillen, Font) a poor grade, yet. Especially Guillen.
There is no knowing if Guillen will or will not work out, but who knows, maybe he rips shit up for the last month. The guys you gave pluses, whom all came in and (basically) outperformed expectations…. Guillen has yet to have a PA.
by SixFourThree on Aug 13, 2010 11:44 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
JLo
Walked Dewitt the other day, just as all of his previous statistics said he would do in those types of situations, so while I would agree the jury is still out, it’s already trending in the wrong direction.
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by Giant Torture on Aug 13, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I deserve getting some shit for this. I WAS MAD, MAN!
by Every6thDay on Aug 13, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I can dig it. I was pretty pissed when I heard, too… But I’m trying to be a little more “bright-side”, I suppose.
Believe me, your anger is totally valid.
by SixFourThree on Aug 13, 2010 12:05 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
J Lo has a big backstop
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I just don’t see the point in screwing with the team any further. The current roster, if it’s playing well, can go deep into the playoffs already. The current roster, if it’s playing badly, will not be saved by Jose Guillen.
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The current roster may have Guillen on it
If that roster is playing well, do they still go deep into the playoffs?
by craigcommaroger on Aug 13, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Playoffs are a big crapshoot where the most important factors seem to be defense, pitchers who can strike guys out, and bullpen (if I remember my 3 factors right).
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't like your criteria for successul playoff teams...
I was trying to be positive about the Giants’ chances this year!
I think we’re very strong in all of those areas, personally (though we’ve gotten much weaker defensively over the course of the season)….
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
And they aren’t my criteria, they’re what the current research has found.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, this is how I feel
If it was someone who was a definite upgrade, maybe, but Guillen is not that.
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The Yankees didn’t need Austin Kearns. They didn’t need Kerry Wood. This was a move done to marginally improve the bench. At least, I hope it is. If it costs nothing, then so be it.
It just means the front office has zero faith in Schierholtz and Ishikawa, which is disappointing to see, but the impact for this season is a slightly stronger bench.
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Depends on who gets removed from the bench in favor of Guillen, and also depends on if Guillen is only used as a bench player….
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
My counter
You’re absolutely right. The roster will not be saved by Guillen, but he has to be an upgrade over Rowand.
If we gave up nothing for him I’m fine with it. I doubt his assholeness will kill the team’s chemistry in a month and a half.
K-Rods always been an asshole and it never hurt the Angels
I don’t know, with defense taken into account, I don’t think Guillen is an upgrade over Rowand.
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"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
but Rowand won’t play corner outfield. He will only play CF. So the defensive upgrade from Guillen to Rowand is the sum of (Rowand-Guillen in right) – (Torres-Rowand in center) which could very well be zero.
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I’m not sure what that equation will give you. But I’m fairly certain that Rowand is a much better CF than Guillen is a RF (or LF). And Rowand in CF does give us Torres in RF, which, while it seems like a waste of resources, he’s a very, very good RF
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Also depending how they use him
A better comparison might be Huff’s defense vs. Guillens because its likely HUff goes to 1B if Guillen becomes permanent starter
Well, he’s hardly played any OF this year, but the three years before it:
-17.0
-5.3
-5.9
Huff’s sample size is too small to make much of at the moment, but it is awful as well.
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"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
So we get worse at 1B (Huff < Ishikawa), we get worse at the plate (Ishikawa > Guillen), and our outfield D, at best, stays the same….
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think that's at best
I think at best the outfield D only gets slightly worse, more likely is that the outfield D gets significantly worse.
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by Giant Torture on Aug 13, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Well I’m just replying to his scenario where Guillen is in the OF instead of Huff. Do you think that’s a significant downgrade? I don’t – Huff isn’t very good, either.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
It's hard to tell
Because Huff didn’t play much RF prior to this year, but so far he’s had a UZR of 0.2, while Guillen’s lifetime UZR in RF is -18.1. Given how Huff has actually played I think it’s a significant drop-off.
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by Giant Torture on Aug 13, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
LF and RF are the same for UZR purposes. Treat them as one combined number. -9.3 UZR/150 in the OF for his career.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Rowand + Torres >>>>>>> Torres + Guillen.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m absolutely certain that Rowand is the better player. It’s frankly amazing to me that people are arguing that he isn’t.
Yes, and a Ishikawa/Rowand platoon is better than any lineup that could possibly involve Guillen.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
But K-Rod is hurting the Mets now with his jerkery.
Anyway, maybe the boys can lighten Guillen up a bit. Get Romo and Uribe to give him a new orange ’do, have Huff and Jose bond over Fritos and Transformers cartoons?
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Rowand – 0.9 WAR
Guillen – 0.7 WAR, with more playing time
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Our playoff chances may well be decided by 1 game
And if Guillen, as a bat off the bench, is worth the .1 WAR that pushes us from 89.9 wins to 90 or something, then he would be worth it.
I hate when people use this type of logic. “Player X won’t make the difference!”
Well actually, if that player provides ANY upgrade, even a marginal one, then he is entirely capable of being the “difference” in a tight race.
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But a player like Guillen, looking at the WAR numbers posted earlier, is no more likely to make that difference than someone already on the roster. You could say the same thing about Nate or Travis or Eli.
Yes, really, I have not updated my blog in a long long time: http://skaldheim.livejournal.com/tag/baseball
I am asserting
That as a bench player, Guillen is better than Nate, Travis, or Eli.
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Ricky Ledee was so bad in 2004 that he was worth -0.6 WAR in only 30 games for the Giants back when they got him. They missed the playoffs by… one game!
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Jose Guillen isn’t Ricky Ledee. And say what you want about the merits of it, but Guillen is going from the American League to the National League.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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Ledee was hitting a hell of a lot better when the Giants acquired him than Guillen is now.
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"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
So in that respect, Guillen is nothing like Ledee!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 13, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
But you don’t run a baseball team thinking a player is just going to plummet once you get them. That doesn’t happen very often.
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And you don’t run a team thinking a player is just going to start hitting once you get them, either. You assume the player is what he is, and in Guillen’s case, it’s a pretty shitty baseball player who’s an asshole nobody likes.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
My point is just that a player being really really bad can make a difference, even in just a month.
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Plus, there are probably 25 free AAA guys who would be as good, or better, than Guillen.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Probably not. If they were, they wouldn’t be free
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You overrate Jose F. Guillen
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Guillen in the NL – -2.8 WAR, -.1 WAR, 4.0 WAR, -.1 WAR.
You’re right, he should get a bump, but he’s still a not good baseball player.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I also agree with this.
I have more of a sense that we need to get all of our existing quality players to thrive at the same time as opposed to changing the mix of components.
When Franchez is hitting the way he plays D (which did happen earlier in the spring), and Panda has 2009 days at the plate (good Lord yesterday was refreshing in that sense), and Tim doesn’t give up 4 runs in the first inning, and…well, I hope you see my point.
The presence or absence of these things in and of themselves individually won’t make or break us, but clumped together in either direction will decide our October fate far more than anything Guillen will do between now and then.
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
What we really need is to run the best team out there as often as possible. Jose Guillen subtracts from that.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm still not sure he absolutely subtracts,
but any glaring positives he brings certainly get canceled out fast. It’s a shell game AT BEST.
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Put it this way...
Two down, bottom of 9th, Giants down by a run… Who would you rather see, Manny Burris, Aaron Rowand, Eli Whiteside, or Jose Guillen?
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Then YGWYD
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
Fontenot is actually the correct answer.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions
None of the above
Fontenot
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by Giant Torture on Aug 13, 2010 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I’d rather have you up there, Todd.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 13, 2010 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL, this
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Thanks for clearing that up! ;-)
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Or most people here. ;-)
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Doesn’t sound bad to Lucky Pierre.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I'll drag bunt for a hit...
And steal 2nd, 3rd, and home.
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by jctGamer on Aug 13, 2010 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
we havent exactly seen guillen play
its not like we have the ability to go, "oh hes gonna K on a slider in the dirt (like with rowand) and see it happen. Burrell was much better when he came over from the Rays…but then again, guillen could be much worse. we wont know until we witness his play
Stop this reasoning
amidst all the doom and gloom.
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Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
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by say hey nation on Aug 13, 2010 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Who’s pitching?
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 13, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
DAMMIT I DIDN’T WANT TO GIVE UP PTBNL
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 13, 2010 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
wow you gave me a heart attack
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Jeff Fletcher says Giants are getting Guillen for PTBNL.
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Do we get a draft pick when he splits?
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lol
no.
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I went to look up his rating on mlbtr elias ranking and I couldn’t even find him!
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by say hey nation on Aug 13, 2010 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s probably because he was DFA.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Is there a 25 man roster move?
Or was there a spot freed somewhere?
Insanity is just a state of mind.
No. Renteria went on DL, freeing a spot for Fontenot.
It’s assuredly either Schierholtz or Burriss down.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
/Sabes desperately tries to find out if Fontenot can play SS
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 13, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Schierholtz would have to be DFA’d. I’m sure it will be Burriss.
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I would be fine with Schierholtz being DFA’d, actually.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I’d rather have Schierholtz than Guillen.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
In happy dream world, I would have neither.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe true, I don’t think Schierholtz is a bad option as a 4th OF, though.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Happy Orange Friday
Official from team involved confirms Jose Guillen from #Royals to #Giants for player to be named.
They could be Giants...but not really.
MLB Trade Rumors mlbtraderumors
Royals confirm Jose Guillen trade. They’re sending cash to San Fran, as expected.
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Why? Why? Why?
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I don’t mind the trade if he’s coming for cash. This trade bothers me because Bochy is going to mis-use him as our everyday right-fielder.
by Rook Takes Pawn on Aug 13, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
You're reading it wrong
The Royals are sending US cash.
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so essentially
the royals are PAYING us to take him.
is that a red flag to anyone else?
It is a red flag to just about everyone
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by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 13, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
KNBR spin:
“Geez, the Royals are dumb. What a bad organization. Not only are they just giving a way a guy like Jose Guillen, they’re paying us to take him. That team should be contracted. No, wait, because then the Giants wouldn’t have them around to fleece from time to time.”
KNBR rots your brain.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
devils advocate (not my opinion)
the rays just gave us a player (burrell) as well and look how well that turned out
ECONOMIC RACISM!
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I, for one, will find it hilarious when we lose both of our supposed starting RFs in the span of two weeks.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 13, 2010 9:25 AM PDT reply actions
Huff and Torres took over for Nate and ’Mania a looooong time ago, though.
They could be Giants...but not really.
I meant to say the RFs who were supposed to be the starters at the beginning of the year.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 13, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
You know whose fault this is?
Derek Jeter’s.
If it hadn’t been for Jeter, we would have had DeJesus. Fuck.
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Agreed. I still wonder what we were going to give up for him.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
On one hand, probably too much
On the other hand, DeJesus is (was?) really quite good.
It would be cool to see Sabean go after DDJ in the offseason.
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I just love thinking about a DJ/Rowand/Torres OF.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Hmmm. Lacks power.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Never said he had power
Doesn’t mean he isn’t good.
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Oh, he is good. No doubt.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Eh, power is overrated, I just want productive hitting however it comes.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I can dig it.
I think he could be gotten for a reasonable price over the offseason. Royals still have incentive to move him, and he’ll only have 1 year left.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
So which bad team do you play for?
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 13, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions 12 recs
Yeah… I’m gonna have to go ahead and rec this one.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
He should talk to Randy Winn.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 13, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Have we ever considered Guillen’s role in actively making those teams bad? Or the fact that only bad teams want Guillen on their team?
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
oh no..
FP filling in for Gary..
"There he goes. One of god's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
Wait…
what?
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Heard him while taking the dog down to the bay…
“We’ll talk about Jose Guillen on the other side of the break…”
I drove 65mph down 17th st to get home before that conversation started.
Actually, to be fair, he did say he thought the team was best as it was.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Radnich is the PTBNL?
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
But it puts Guillen in the batters box.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Looks the same to me..
Guillen: .255/.314/.429
Rowand: .247/.301/.401
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 13, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Jeff Fletcher JeffFletcherAOL
Quick take on Guillen: Assuming Giants got him with zero-tolerance policy (see Padilla, Vicente) and gave up nothing, it’s a low-risk deal
Guillen was days from being released, so #sfgiants presumably paying nothing more than pro-rated min, giving up low-grade player.
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
Presuming is the correct word. He got one out of two correct.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
That was really more of a comment on twitter as a new source. Neither of those tweets/twits contained any information but he still commented on the deal anyway with prefaces of course. ASSUMING. PRESUMABLY
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 13, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Welcome to the new world of journalism, where people want analysis along with their reporting. Better get on board.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
We are in serious trouble if that is what we consider analysis.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 13, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Projecting into the future is part of analysis, yes.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
I meant the 140 characters in a tweet.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 13, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ve come to find that most thoughts can be compressed to 140 characters. In Journalism 101 they teach you to make every word count and to use the least amount of words possible.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
Marc_Normandin
Just a reminder that a surplus isn’t always a bad thing: Fred Lewis .271/.334/.443, Jose Guillen .255/.314/.429
Jose Guillen, Fred Lewis with slightly lower batting average (their OBP difference is almost due entirely to the BA difference, their plate discipline are about similar)
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
But Fred was a bad soldier.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
I hear Guillen is a bad soldier too.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 13, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah but it’s not as if the BA doesn’t count in the OBP.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
There isnt a single thing that Guillen does better than Fred.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
He costs more money
So he must be better, plus he’s right-handed and that’s harder to find.
So optimistic I fart sunshine and rainbows.
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Aug 13, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
This is the cost of Sabean's grudges.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
or Bowker.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
With Lewis there’s at least a meaningful amount of major league success, though.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
True, but Guillen has quite the history of MLB failure, so we’re not exactly setting the bar very high here.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
But he would be free,
so what would be the point?
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Fred Lewis + PTBNL = Jose Guillen + PTBNL
The PTBNL’s cancel out and therefore we traded Fred Lewis for Jose Guillen.
DNL
Adopted Nut: Paraparaumu, New Zealand native, Andy Skeels
75K. Which pays for 3 plate appearances by Aaron Rowand.
Do the math. it’s scary.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
LOL Algebra is like stupid people math.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
SOLVE FOR X, BITCHES.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Marty Lurie
SF needs another pro hitter (Guillen) burrell has been hot so the need wasn’t as acute as b/4, but things change fast and this is OK by me.
John Shea
The minute Guillen walks in Giants’ clubhouse, Huff and Burrell will pull him aside and tell him, “Don’t screw this up.”
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
"pro hitter"
Ugh
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 13, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
If that’s not quality analysis, I don’t know what is! How good of a hitter you are doesn’t matter as long as you’re a professional!
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t get why Lurie is so in love with Guillen.
Adopted Giant: Ryan Rohlinger (on loan from Shanghaijim).
Buster Posey: He knows the rules!
♥BARRY ZITO♥
Maybe because he is told he needs to be.
at least publicly
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Who does’t love a “big bat?”
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
I don’t get a lot of Lurie’s opinions.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
The minute Guillen walks in Giants’ clubhouse, Huff and Burrell willpull him aside and tell him,"Don’t screw this up."push him into a locker and threaten him with physical violence if he screws this up.
fixed that for you.
Adopted Son: Now with More STATZ goodness !Matt Downs Fangraphs The Juan Uribe of 2011 !
Except it will be Uribe
and maybe Torres Uribe is a great presence and he’s Latin. He will be the one to hold Guillen in check
More Marty
Good for the SF front office they realized they are in a race their opp are making moves & they have joined the party.that’s baseball in Aug
More Jeff Fletcher
#sfGiants new lineup? Torres CF, Uribe SS, Huff 1b, Posey C, Burrell LF, Guillen RF, Uribe SS, Sandoval 3B, Sanchez 2B. Thoughts?
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Well, we now have two SS named Uribe.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Jose
Did Jose come back from the dead, he had a great glove, the Giants could use him.
So optimistic I fart sunshine and rainbows.
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Aug 13, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
With two of him, his defense would improve.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 13, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Of course
He could wind up running in to himself.
So optimistic I fart sunshine and rainbows.
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Aug 13, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Hopefully that paradox would open a wormhole that sucked in the Padres, never to be seen again.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 13, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
As long as that's going to happen
Can Tommy Lasorda be there?
So optimistic I fart sunshine and rainbows.
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Aug 13, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Oops, let’s only have Uribe bat once …. Torres, Uribe, Huff, Posey, Burrell, Guillen, Sandoval, Sanchez. :)
I really dont thinkthe #sfgiants would bring Guillen’s personality into the clubhouse if they didnt plan to play him everyday. Hope not.
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
I REALLY DON'T THINK
GODDAMIT FLETCHER. YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT’S GOING ON. STOP TALKING.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 13, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Fuck that guy.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 13, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Soooo because he has a crappy personality and disposition he HAS to be in the starting lineup? Well, I’m certainly convinced
Boo
by LosGigantesTodoElTiempo on Aug 13, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Why do we need two shortstops?
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 13, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow.
if I saw this back in March I would not be alive right now.
Thankfully random error has crapped out a golden egg.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
BUT POSEY IS IN A SLUMP!!!!!
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Aug 13, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd take a chance
As long as the salary considerations from the Mets were more than 10 million.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
Wait, now we’re concerned by how much the player is liked? Did I miss a memo?
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
Seriously
Results matter. CHEMISTRY is fun to watch, but probably irrelevant.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
Well, sure, in an extreme case like Guillen.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh, but Milton Bradley is just fine.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
Let’s save that conversation for the spot in the thread we’re discussing it.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
like i said above
it could mean nothing, and if it doesnt mean anything then who cares. But if it means something, and has the slightest possibility of negatively affecting a team…THEN DNW
So let's all speculate on the PTBNL
I guess Pucetas!
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
Bonds is still on the payroll right?
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
Slap in the face to our patron saint.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Aug 13, 2010 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
VROOOOOOOOOOM
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Here is the part that should scare you about PTBNL
A trade of players on the 40 man roster needs to clear waivers first.
The Giants may be waiting for Schierholtz / Ishikawa to clear waiver before they can send them to KC for Jose Guillen. If they are claimed, the Giants may pull them back and send other minor leaguers instead.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
I’m ok with the general concept of trading them, but you do realize they’re better baseball players than Jose Guillen, right?
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Even if that were true (which may or may not be the case), how does that justify trading them for an older, more expensive, worse player?
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Like I said, I’m ok trading them – just not for Jose Guillen.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
actually, 4,800,000 a dozen, but yes, as much as we like them, they are fungible
assuming the MLB minimum is around 400,000
And the worst part, those fukin’ douchenozzles over at the MCC get to lord this over us.
I don't like this
http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/08/13/giants-acquire-jose-guillen/
Although Guillen could provide some pop, he brings with him some issues. He has had clubhouse problems in several of his stops. A major league executive told FanHouse last week that the Royals had been telling teams Guillen was not a good influence on their young players.
Guillen has been suspended twice. With the Angels in 2004, Guillen made a gesture that showed up Angels manager Mike Scioscia when he was trying to remove Guillen for a pinch-runner. The Angels suspended him for the final week of the season and the postseason.
He was also suspended for 15 days at the start of the 2007 season for a violation of baseball’s drug policy.
Guilen also made headlines in July, when he called out his Royals teammates.
“Fundamentally, this is one of the worst teams in all of baseball,” said Guillen, who added that he felt like a “babysitter” with some of the Royals’ young players. Guillen referred to his teammates as “babies” in a separate interview in May.
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
If anyone can, it is Uribe
Dude is a bad ass.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 13, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh great, now Uribe is going to bust a cap in his ass and we’ll be out two players.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
He's an ass
But at least none of these stories involve him loafing.
What if it's Rownads?
Would you like the deal then?
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
What if Guillen is the starting RF?
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Ishikawa + Huff + Burrell + Torres > any lineup that involves Guillen. And I hate a Huff/Burrell OF.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Like is a strong word
Wouldn’t piss me off as much, and even less if Sabean and/or Bochy were included.
So optimistic I fart sunshine and rainbows.
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Aug 13, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Rowand is a better baseball player than Guillen. I guess his contract does suck quite a bit, though….
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't like this
Especially because I think Burriss will go, leaving us with no middle infielders who can play SS again. Guillen in theory could get hot, but he’s going to be taking AB’s away from Ishikawa, and his defense is awful – I just don’t trust Bruce Bochy with veterans and playing them a reasonable amount.
ANd I can’t believe I"m saying this, but Burrell / Rowand / Torres is preferable to Burrell / Torres / Guillen in my mind – better defensively.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
I didn’t think Burriss could play SS.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
Burriss can fake SS, I suppose. Fontenot can stand where the SS is supposed to play.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Guillen in theory could get hot
In theory, ANYONE can get hot.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
I just fucking told my dad after what Burrell did yesterday “At least that clinches we won’t get Guillen now”
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
HAHAHAHAHA. SABEAN LAUGHS AT YOUR DAD
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 13, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
MUrbanCSN
The Guillen deal is done now. #sfgiants sending player to be named not on current 25-man roster. Guillen will likely start in RF, Huff to 1B
Favorite all-time Giants?
The MLB Record holder for the most sac flies in a season by a left handed hitter.
Start McCoven melt down in 3…2….1
by CrispinGloversBalls on Aug 13, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Way ahead of you. It was clear Guillen would start in RF.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Great
Nice to know you Mr. Neal
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Aug 13, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions
WRONG
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 13, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I know
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Aug 13, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
So not Nate or Ish
Frankly, I would be surprised if it’s anyone better thhan Evan Crawford. Sabes got 3 years of Fontenot for a fringe prospect, I don’t think he would give up anything more than that for 2 months of Guillen.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
Anyone above Andy D’Alessio and I’m storming the castle!
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Aug 13, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m with you!
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 13, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
/starts heating the tar
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s going to be someone useless. At least there’s that.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
2 months? I hope it does not even come to that.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Sabean’s player valuation. I can only believe that to him, Bowker and Martinez meant about as much to the big club as Turpen did. For him, it was just throwing in extra nothing. I disagree vehemently, of course, but that’s Sabean.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Also
you’re not going to slip a valuable piece over waivers now
Read my Cal blog: http://since59.blogspot.com/ Go Bears!
Ryan Verdugo, my adopted son, has an ERA of pi in his last 10 games. Oh yeah, and he strikes 12 per 9 innings. Kid's a beast. He also joins recently acquired Mike Fontenot in the "Giants who went to LSU" club.
Bye bye Belt
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
only positive
he is costing us nothing, so he sucks that bad we can drop him like a bad habit. But Bochy and Sabes always hang on to vets too long. So I guess I’m pretty frightened actually.
1954 WORLD CHAMPS!!!
Seriously,
I believe this will cost us at least one game. Maybe two.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
I wonder if he’s just speculating about him starting in RF.
Adopted Giant: Ryan Rohlinger (on loan from Shanghaijim).
Buster Posey: He knows the rules!
♥BARRY ZITO♥
I hope he means starting tonight.
Not “starting”
So maybe he’s the starting RF like Bowker was the starting RF?
Oh man. Bowker and Fred >>>>> Guillen
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
This means it will be someone on the 25 man roster.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 13, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Boo
by LosGigantesTodoElTiempo on Aug 13, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Look, it has to be a fringe prospect or a perceived AAAA player. The fact is that the Royals would take just about anything because if they waited another couple of days, Guillen is outright released and the Royals get absolutely nothing.
Favorite all-time Giants?
The MLB Record holder for the most sac flies in a season by a left handed hitter.
That’s besides the point, the point is Guillen makes us a worse baseball team right now.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Because…Edgar Renteria/Eli Whiteside/Aaron Rowand at the plate PHing against a LHP is better than Guillen?
Favorite all-time Giants?
The MLB Record holder for the most sac flies in a season by a left handed hitter.
by slurpster03 on Aug 13, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
BUT WE DID NOT HAVE TO GET GUILLEN AT ALL
His marginal, if any, increase does not warrant trading for him especially when we still keep those other options.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Actually, yes. First of all, Guillen is starting, not coming off the bench. Second, Guillen has no L/R split (he’s very unusual like that), so he doesn’t get an advantage v LHP. Third of all, Rowand > Guillen.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
He hasn’t played since 8/4.
Last 10 games:
3 for 37 +1BB; no HR’s
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
He should be rested?
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
And...
Guillen is a better option than Bowker how?
So optimistic I fart sunshine and rainbows.
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Aug 13, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I miss the T-Rex
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Well, to start with...
Guillen is actually ON the Giants right now.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
by ToddCommish on Aug 13, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
John Shea's lineup
CF Torres, C Posey, 1B Huff, LF Burrell, RF Guillen, SS Uribe, 3B Sandoval, 2B Sanchez.
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Hmmm
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Aug 13, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t see what his looks have to do with it.
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Aug 13, 2010 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like Posey batting second but I hate Guillen batting fifth.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Me too, with these options, I would switch Panda and Gullien.
by CrispinGloversBalls on Aug 13, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Sanchez
just had his best day at the plate in over a month. He’s a streaky hitter. Plus he’s a good bunter/hit and run guy. Not the time to move him down. Lets see if he gets hot.
Just what I've seen this year
A month where he scalded the ball (even his outs were hard) and a month (or more) where he has been awful.
Krukow also indicated he is a notoriously streaky hitter. He may be wrong of course. I realize all hitters are streaky to a point. But my personal belief is that guys like Sanchez who don’t walk much tend to go into longer funks. If your scuffling, walks help. No “proof” of this either. Just my belief.
My main reason for keeping him in the two hole is he’s a very good hit and run guy and with Torres that is part of the game. Given Posey’s ability to go the other way, he probably could fill that role as well. But I don’t see any reason to move him.
SHIFT A
WHAT THE FLYING FUCK?
This move does not improve the team.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
It’s utterly pointless.
Adopted Giant: Ryan Rohlinger (on loan from Shanghaijim).
Buster Posey: He knows the rules!
♥BARRY ZITO♥
It makes the team worse.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
It COULD make the team worse
If done correctly, it could make the team better.
Only one way to find out.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
I also always think this when I hear someone say "utterly"
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
What do you mean? The average age is going to go up and everyone knows that to get to the playoffs you need to be old.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Shift-A
Well this just ruined my morning.
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis who is stuck in the baseball purgatory called extended spring training.
Martie Lurie is making me crazy right now:
baseballmarty
@DamonBruce the important issue is Sabean finally got to the party and it’s not too late..I like @johnsheahey lineup..Casilla should go..
Any trade is good, no matter how pointless or lacking in value, because you have to DO SOMETHING!
I used to think Lurie was smart.
Adopted Giant: Ryan Rohlinger (on loan from Shanghaijim).
Buster Posey: He knows the rules!
♥BARRY ZITO♥
I used to think Lurie was smart.
LOL U!
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis who is stuck in the baseball purgatory called extended spring training.
he is smart, but he’s old timey baseball dumb.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 13, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
He was the one saying that the Giants should pick up Guillen’s entire contract to make sure no one else got him…
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Dear Brian Sabean,
You’ve done some nice things this year, to be honest. The Giants are a good team, and I give you some credit for that. Now, please get the fuck out. And let the door hit you in the ass.
Sincerely,
Me
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 13, 2010 9:54 AM PDT reply actions
What if it works?
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Aug 13, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
If Guillen works, then Sabean’s blind luck will net him another extension, thus screwing the Giants for years to come.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 13, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Unless we totally fall apart last year, I think it’s already happened.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Damnit, I wish I didn’t agree with you.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 13, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
That makes sense
Gosh if the Giants win the WS it will REALLY screw things up. Let me see if I understand you. When Sabean makes a bad move he’s an idiot. When it works out its luck. Thats fair.
I understand that you over-simplified the rationale in order to make a point but even the over-simplification makes a certain amount of sense. I can reasonably conceive of a man who does everything ass-backwards at his job, screws most of it up, and still gets a couple of things right. The fact that those things turned out right had nothing to do with him – he’s still an idiot – there were just plenty of outside forces that caused that thing to go right. He was right but for all the wrong reasons. He “got lucky.”
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
by Prussian Creole on Aug 13, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
What if it works? So what? What if, instead of trading for Guillen, we had played Ishikawa or Schierholtz and that had worked?
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm with you.
I think he does well with these type of pickups though.
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Aug 13, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Why? I remember Sanchez/Garko from last year….
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I can’t in good conscience defend him. You win!
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Aug 13, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Sanchez
For Alderson. Who is going backwards. If Alderson turns it around – bad deal. If not – good deal. Cause they gave up nothing.
NO
For a Top 100 prospect, they should’ve gotten more than 2 months of a mediocre second basemen.
Read my Cal blog: http://since59.blogspot.com/ Go Bears!
Ryan Verdugo, my adopted son, has an ERA of pi in his last 10 games. Oh yeah, and he strikes 12 per 9 innings. Kid's a beast. He also joins recently acquired Mike Fontenot in the "Giants who went to LSU" club.
Kawakami figured it out
timkawakami
New muscle for potential JSanchez-brawl with SD?
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
LOL
Enforcer!
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Aug 13, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Finally!
The silver lining. This is the benefit he brings the team.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Aug 13, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Link Gaetz is available!
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Aug 13, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
lenny dykstra will do anything for cash.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Aug 13, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m looking forward to this at least.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 13, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s pretty sad when the only SF media person I want to hear from is Kawakami.
Adopted Giant: Ryan Rohlinger (on loan from Shanghaijim).
Buster Posey: He knows the rules!
♥BARRY ZITO♥
He’s really pretty smart. He’s just an asshole.
/waits for people to point out two or three instances of stupidity from a man whose job it is to have an opinion about everything
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
a man whose job it is to have an opinion about everything
I think this is the problem. I don’t want reporters to have an opinion. They’re trained in journalism. They don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about. I want them to report stuff I can’t see with their inside access. I want them to give me the facts. I don’t give a shit about his opinion or his rumor mongling/speculation to attract hits to his newspaper associated blog (which I think is an inappropriate venue to treat as a normal blog as many journalists do).
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
1. Kawakami isn’t a reporter. He’s a columnist. That’s actually his job.
2. That’s now how journalism works anymore. The Internet has changed everything.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
If his job is as a columnist, he should be trained in the subject matter he’s discussing.
Second, I know journalism changed, but that doesn’t make it “better”. Frankly, I find most journalism, when they’re doing anything other than reporting facts I don’t have access to, to be an utter waste of my time. The business is doing poorly for a reason.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
But Kawakami is almost always right. Like, he would do very well here. It was just the Lincecum/Rios thing that got on everyone’s nerves.
And git off my lawn!
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
Well for instance he was the leader of the media brigade demanding Posey play over Molina.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
I never read any of his baseball stuff. His constant trade speculation with respect to the Warriors gets annoying, though, and his rampant speculation in general….
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
hmm
Being annoyed because we just acquired Jose Guillen: reasonable reaction.
pencilling him in as starting RF: a wee bit hysterical
Mark DeRosa is playing exactly the same amount of professional baseball as his adopted father, these days.
Are you saying that fans pencilling him in as starting RF is hysterical? We wouldn’t be doing it if all the news guys weren’t doing it too…
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
are we talking Baggs and Schulman? or KNBR talking heads?
/gets very nervous
Mark DeRosa is playing exactly the same amount of professional baseball as his adopted father, these days.
Urban, Shea, etc.
Adopted Giant: Ryan Rohlinger (on loan from Shanghaijim).
Buster Posey: He knows the rules!
♥BARRY ZITO♥
the fact that Urban believes that relieves me somewhat
Mark DeRosa is playing exactly the same amount of professional baseball as his adopted father, these days.
He’s often just speculating.
Adopted Giant: Ryan Rohlinger (on loan from Shanghaijim).
Buster Posey: He knows the rules!
♥BARRY ZITO♥
he has a degree from MSU
Makin Shit Up
Mark DeRosa is playing exactly the same amount of professional baseball as his adopted father, these days.
/decent sources
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 13, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
More Marty
SF faces lefties Richard, LeBlanc, Hamels, and Garcia over the next 9 gms Guillen will play now plus help in late inn LH relief situations
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Guillen has almost no career platoon split. He does not mash lefties. I wish people would do 30 seconds worth of homework before tweeting things.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
bUT riGHt — HANNEDEDD
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 13, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
LEFTIES CANNOT HIT LEFTIES
Research complete.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
basically this
it isn’t that he hits lefties better than righties (career: .271/.328/.461 v. LHP – .270/.319/.434 v. RHP are nearly identical), but the fact that he can hit lefties (relatively speaking. he’s not that good a hitter, period) better than current bench options. This isn’t a good reason to get him, but it’s the reason the Giants got him.
Given his defense and cancerous personality, however, I don’t see why Aaron Rowand (.282/.345/.491 career v. LHP) isn’t considered a better option against lefties.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 13, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s true, and I find it really odd/interesting.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I feel like this was Lurie’s process.
1. Decide Giants need another OF bat, no matter who it is, and need to be able to say they made another move.
2. Realize that Guillen was the only option available.
3. Decide that Guillen is TEH ANSWER.
4. Make all kinds of lame and stupid arguments, based on nothing that actually has anything to do with Guillen or his ability to play baseball, to try to justify why Guillen is TEH ANSWER.
5. Profit!
Adopted Giant: Ryan Rohlinger (on loan from Shanghaijim).
Buster Posey: He knows the rules!
♥BARRY ZITO♥
CAUSE BACKUPS FOR OUR AGING AND INJURY PRONE PLAYERS IS STUPID
SF_Giants
#SFGiants Rumors: With Guillen comes cash to cover his large contract. The Giants will send a PTBNL. Burriss may be sent to @FresnoGrizzlies
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Guillen to the Giants reminds me of..
the Warriors signing Chris Webber in 2008. Let’s hope it doesn’t turn out the same.
He's not retired...THANK YOU!
WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF MAN? Goddammit Sabean. Worst shit ever to wake up to.
The worst thing is it makes it more likely that Guillen will be on the Giants next year.
by theimmortalbenard on Aug 13, 2010 10:02 AM PDT reply actions
OT: Rob Dibble continues to be an ass
http://www.camdenchat.com/2010/8/12/1619709/rob-dibble-and-the-female-baseball
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
rob dibble is the worst
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
At least he’s consistent.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 13, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
/waits for bondslegend
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 13, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Isn’t Guillen a “rental” player? Didn’t Sabes say we wouldn’t get any of those?
Insanity is just a state of mind.
To be fair, he isn’t giving up anything of real value for a rental player. that was the point.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
That's true
It’s just acquiring another over 30 veteran for Sabes.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
"THAT SHIP HAS SAILED"
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
This was inevitable
But it’s still pathetic. If Bochy weren’t the manager, it could theoretically make sense- Guillen as a rarely-used bench player could be useful.
And the Pads got Ludwick for nothing. This is our year? Really?
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
this lol
"There he goes. One of god's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
by KINGofCRA5H on Aug 13, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
From MLBTR
Guillen still has $3.39MM left on his contract, but the Royals are covering some of that, according to a press release.
I’m not fond of the usage of the word “some.” Wondering why “all” or “most” were not used instead.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
10 teams? really?
"There he goes. One of god's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
Baggs
Really, the biggest question isn’t where Guillen will play. (He’ll almost certainly be a bat for the bench.)
Favorite all-time Giants?
The MLB Record holder for the most sac flies in a season by a left handed hitter.
please
.
Mark DeRosa is playing exactly the same amount of professional baseball as his adopted father, these days.
Boch:
Bork bork Guilleny? bork Jose-y? bork bork starty right fieldy bork BORK BORRRRKKKK!!!!
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Hmm, what WILL Bochy call him? This is probably the only positive thing worth speculating...
Guy?
Gully?
Guillyo? (that would be a big change of pace)
by Every6thDay on Aug 13, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I hope this is the case
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
Poor, naive Baggs
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
This is really the only thing that makes sense. If Guillen is now the RF, the Giants are insane.
Ask me about my blog.
If we truly use Guillen as a bench player, I take back all of my anger and I’m mostly indifferent. I have .34543% confidence this will be the case.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
baggs please be right
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Andy meet Bruce.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 13, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
WTG Sabez
You struck gold on Burrell, but fail on Guillen.
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
Fangraphs pattern says otherwise
Envisioning future “Jose Guillen resurrects career with ridiculous Aug/Sept”
Hey, it worked for Huff, Torres, Burrell. A man can dream. And cry.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
The only guy on that list
That hasn’t had an awesome year before is Torres. Burrell and Huff have shown they can do it in the past Guillen’s 6000 PA of fail says he cant.
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
Yeah, because Guillen doesn’t have 6000 career PA’s of fail already or anything…
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Factoid.
Fuckin’ Sabean always licking veteran nut.
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
/waits for disturbing hairy nut in egg dish image
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Some tires were kicked.
He's not retired...THANK YOU!
by baybruin415 on Aug 13, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Do you enjoy when your blog writes itself?
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
READ YOUR BLOGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Aug 13, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s official, I’m back in the “this team isn’t making the playoffs” camp.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
/benny hill theme
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
UGHHHHHHHHH
WHAT THE FUCK
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
LOL YOUR PREVIOUS COMMENT
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 13, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
i had all of 5 seconds to be optimistic
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Signs of the Apocalypse:
* First Seal – Religious Conquest, White horse
* Second Seal – Conflict & War, Red Horse
* Third Seal – Famine & Drought, Black Horse
* Fourth Seal – Death, green or Pale Horse
* Fifth Seal – Vision of martyrdom or martyrs
* Sixth Seal – Cosmic Disturbances or Heavenly Signs and the marking of the 144,000
* Seventh Seal – Prelude To Playoff Elimination, Jose Guillen
by Every6thDay on Aug 13, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
OH WHY
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE NO
Read my Cal blog: http://since59.blogspot.com/ Go Bears!
Ryan Verdugo, my adopted son, has an ERA of pi in his last 10 games. Oh yeah, and he strikes 12 per 9 innings. Kid's a beast. He also joins recently acquired Mike Fontenot in the "Giants who went to LSU" club.
I like the Huff will play 1b part
but the rest is retarded
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 13, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
lololololol
Time to get drunk!
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
BOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
JeffFletcherAOL
Bruce Bochy confirms Guillen will be the everyday RF and Aubrey Huff will play 1b.
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
Well that’s just awesome
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
by Prussian Creole on Aug 13, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Indeed!
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
This graphic sums up my feelings
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Bochy is awake?
He's not retired...THANK YOU!
by baybruin415 on Aug 13, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
He has said that about other players.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Aug 13, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL BAGGS!
"There he goes. One of god's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
by KINGofCRA5H on Aug 13, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I take it back
freak the fuck out.
Mark DeRosa is playing exactly the same amount of professional baseball as his adopted father, these days.
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
"There he goes. One of god's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
by KINGofCRA5H on Aug 13, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
#sfgiants source says “probably no” when asked if Guillen would be in uniform tonight.
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Love it. No one knows anything
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 13, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Ugh
No one fails the Giants medical staff physical.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
“His prefrontal cortex is a bit flappy.”
/rubs dirt on it
by Every6thDay on Aug 13, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
/panics
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis who is stuck in the baseball purgatory called extended spring training.
That's so surprising
So we’re torn. Obviously, if Guillen goes 0 for 14, Boch won’t play him anymore. But if he goes 0-14, we could lose the Padres series. What we want is for Guillen to get really hot for the next month. Which we also don’t want, because he’s a terrible right fielder
Jose Guillen is now a Giant. I root for the Giants. I therefore root for Jose Guillen. Lather, rinse, repeat
Fulfilling your Gus Benusa needs since 2009!
by Giantsfan4life on Aug 13, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
If he goes 0-14, he still plays. Because he’s been in the league.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Give him 20-30 ABs before you make up your mind
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
No.
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
by Prussian Creole on Aug 13, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
/3-30
Bochy: He needs to play through this slump. He will come out of it
/7-next 30
Bochy: He has shown some signs he is starting to turn it around and he is hitting it better than the numbers show. We may move him up in the lineup to get him some more at bats.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Too optimistic. All he needs is one early homerun.
You want to see a walk? Then go watch the mailman.
by SeeingStars on Aug 13, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ve already given him more than 6,000 thank you.
by Missing Barry on Aug 13, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
why would i give him 20-30 when i have almost 1400 over the past 3 years and 6000 over his entire career?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I’ll live with the ABs, it’s the outfield chances I worry about—I’d rather not give him 20-30 of them.
I’m not quite what you’d call optimistic, but hopefully some good comes of this, after all, I’m not going to
root against him.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
#$%% #$*&
"Bengie Molina - the quintessential double play possibility." - Jon MIller
by calpolynate on Aug 13, 2010 10:15 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Sums up my thoughts as well
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
I think he sneezed
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis who is stuck in the baseball purgatory called extended spring training.
Sabean said that he was saying..
“Man, we NEED Jose Guillen out there!”
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
by ToddCommish on Aug 13, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Where is Bondslegend?
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
haha, oh man
"Bengie Molina - the quintessential double play possibility." - Jon MIller
by calpolynate on Aug 13, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
strangely, he approves of this year
Because IT’S NOT FUCKING FONTENOT!!!!!
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
adding extra support to his chest so his lungs do not explode when he releases his hellstorm
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
summed up pretty well
"There he goes. One of god's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
by KINGofCRA5H on Aug 13, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
rec’d, always
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis who is stuck in the baseball purgatory called extended spring training.
Poor Natto
poor us.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Of all the art you’ve posted, I think this may be your best. It is so evocative. Every time I see it, I know exactly how you feel.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Aug 13, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
thats exactly what I did in my office when I fired up mlbtr out of habit as the first website of the day, its like someone punched me in the nuts. And its so nice out today too :(
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
Sweet, our new everyday RF has played all of 22 games in RF this year. Which would be good if it was April 28 or something but we are not. Now we have two DH’s in our outfield with flyball pitchers.
by theimmortalbenard on Aug 13, 2010 10:19 AM PDT reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
/goes back to read comments
Read my Cal blog: http://since59.blogspot.com/ Go Bears!
Ryan Verdugo, my adopted son, has an ERA of pi in his last 10 games. Oh yeah, and he strikes 12 per 9 innings. Kid's a beast. He also joins recently acquired Mike Fontenot in the "Giants who went to LSU" club.
Whew! [From KC press release]
The cash sent to the Giants will pay for the remainder of Guillen’s $12 million salary due him this season. He’s in the last year of a three-year, $36 million contract.
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
what i'm stuck on
the royals gave Jose Guillen a deal that paid him $12 mil a year
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Funny
The Royals were saying that about Aaron Rowand…
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
by ToddCommish on Aug 13, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
that doesn't help
THAT FUCKING JOSE GUILLEN WILL BE OUR STARTING RIGHT FIELDER
Read my Cal blog: http://since59.blogspot.com/ Go Bears!
Ryan Verdugo, my adopted son, has an ERA of pi in his last 10 games. Oh yeah, and he strikes 12 per 9 innings. Kid's a beast. He also joins recently acquired Mike Fontenot in the "Giants who went to LSU" club.
But, the more the pay the better the prospect
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Aug 13, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
anyone with espn insider? belt getting some love
"There he goes. One of god's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2010/8/12/1620661/new-article-about-belt-espn-insider
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
/Sabean trades Belt
Favorite all-time Giants?
The MLB Record holder for the most sac flies in a season by a left handed hitter.
by slurpster03 on Aug 13, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
What's with the outrage...really
Burrell in LF, Torres in CF, and Guillen in RF, Huff at first
basically the same as
Burrell/Torres/Huff/Ishikawa…
Except Huff doesn’t have get tired running in the outfield
Giants gave up APTBNL and the Royals paid all the salary…
Water buffaLOL
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
Water Huffalol
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
Huff isn’t amazing in the OF. But he’s no worse than Guillen.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Huff
-4.3 UZR in RF this year
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 13, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't be too upset if Guillen was a bat off the bench
But your premise is ridiculous. Guillen is awful defensively, so you’ve degraded both the outfield and infield defense in order to gain a minimal amount (if that) of offense.
Guillen could not wear a glove and be as effective in the field.
by Rook Takes Pawn on Aug 13, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
False
Guillen is awful.
Read my Cal blog: http://since59.blogspot.com/ Go Bears!
Ryan Verdugo, my adopted son, has an ERA of pi in his last 10 games. Oh yeah, and he strikes 12 per 9 innings. Kid's a beast. He also joins recently acquired Mike Fontenot in the "Giants who went to LSU" club.
Except
- Guillen is a butcher in the outfield, and ATT is one of the toughest RF’s in the game
- Guillen is hitting like shit right now, and would be a marginal if any increase offensively from existing options
- Guillen has a history of bad mouthing his teammates in public and press
- It looks like in acquiring him we have to get send down Burriss leaving us with no insurance should one of our aging or injury prone middle infielders get hurt.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Guillen hits like shit always
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think that's true.
He hit well in 2003, 2004, 2005, and 2007. He had an .805 OPS through July 22.
I agree with scout6. It’s more just the past three weeks. Guillen has hit extremely poorly lately.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?
Fontenot
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
Ha
I had already forgotten.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Unlike Theriot
He’s forgetable, at least the riot is a way to remember a lackluster hitter
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
1. Huff is no better defensively than Guillen…draw
2. Burrell was hitting like crap before he came to the Giants….actually he wasn’t all that great until July/August
3. True
4. Minor issue…Burris can always get called up…September is just around the corner.
Only downside is no. 3 and that’s a potential issue…unless and until he says something about Giants teammates…I will wait…
- Guillens defense is about to get worse playing in this park. He has only 22 career games in RF and is coming into the middle of a playoff race and has to learn. We lose Ishikawa’s defense from this move. This downgrades the whole teams defense.
- Burrell has career history of being a good hitter where ever he was that was not Tampa Bay. Guillen has been a bad hitter HIS WHOLE CAREER
- Damn right
- September is still 3 weeks away. A lot can happen, and all we have is Fontenot, who should also not be a starter.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Guillen has over 1,100 games in RF.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 13, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
My mistake.
22 games this year. 65 last year. But the point still stands, he is playing ATT RF which he needs to learn. Still a downgrade in overall team defense.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
I'd still take Ishi swinging at backfoot sliders vs. Guillen.
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
Dude,
there is enough concrete evidence to be pissed about this.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
The only way this move is fine is if he’s a strict pinch hitter.
And if that’s the case, then we just traded for a fucking pinch hitter.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m just about done with being told not to argue against something that’s bad, when the is plenty of objective evidence to back up the argument.
I’m not going to be positive just to say I’m positive. If he ends up helping the team, I’ll admit I was wrong.
Adopted Giant: Ryan Rohlinger (on loan from Shanghaijim).
Buster Posey: He knows the rules!
♥BARRY ZITO♥
Evidence...what evidence.
I got perceptions and he sucks at KC.
Perceptions: Don’t care
He suck: Probably…but he hasn’t had one BA as a Giant and we gave up nothing
The people screaming about the move are the generally the same one that screamed about how great Bowker is and how he made an adjustment and how the Giants gave him no chance. Why not do it for Guillen?
What’s the harm?
Guillen has made no adjustments, and has a long history of suck. therefore, he is likely to continue to suck, therefore, he is likely to hurt the team and make it worse. Bochy is likely to continue playing him because he is a veteran, even if he sucks.
That’s the harm.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
BOWKER WAS GOOD IN AAA, AND NEVER GOT MLB AT BATS
GUILLEN HAS GOTTEN THEM, AND IS NOT VERY GOOD
Read my Cal blog: http://since59.blogspot.com/ Go Bears!
Ryan Verdugo, my adopted son, has an ERA of pi in his last 10 games. Oh yeah, and he strikes 12 per 9 innings. Kid's a beast. He also joins recently acquired Mike Fontenot in the "Giants who went to LSU" club.
Evidence…what evidence.
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Seriously?
If you’re going to get up on your high horse and tell a whole bunch of very knowledgeable and smart baseball fans they should just STFU, you should probably read and understand what they’re saying first.
Also, this:
The people screaming about the move are the generally the same one that screamed about how great Bowker is and how he made an adjustment and how the Giants gave him no chance. Why not do it for Guillen?
is comparing apples and oranges.
Adopted Giant: Ryan Rohlinger (on loan from Shanghaijim).
Buster Posey: He knows the rules!
♥BARRY ZITO♥
I am not telling anyone to do anything
I certainly did not tell anyone to STFU…I am just expressing my opinions like everyone else here…
I really would like people to calm down when a move is made…especially one like this one.
lol
I’m not telling anyone to do anything, but you should all calm down.
let it go, man. people are gonna react how they’re gonna react, and you have no say in the matter.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
It’s one thing to express opinions. Telling people to stop discussing it or expressing their own opinions (that’s exactly what “calm down when a move is made” means) is different.
If you don’t want to talk about it, don’t hang out here.
Adopted Giant: Ryan Rohlinger (on loan from Shanghaijim).
Buster Posey: He knows the rules!
♥BARRY ZITO♥
NO U!
Adopted Giant: Ryan Rohlinger (on loan from Shanghaijim).
Buster Posey: He knows the rules!
♥BARRY ZITO♥
kdl..hardcore McCoven.
Adopted Son: Now with More STATZ goodness !Matt Downs Fangraphs The Juan Uribe of 2011 !
This is what modern culture has devolved into:
OWN your stance, man! You just told us all to calm down. You can’t qualify that by saying you’re not telling anyone to do anything.
by Every6thDay on Aug 13, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I didn't say: Calm Down people
I said my preference is for people to calm down especially for a relatively minor trade like this one…
Assuming that’s actually true, that preference doesn’t play well at McCovey Chronicles.
Seriously, no one’s forcing you to read this thread.
Adopted Giant: Ryan Rohlinger (on loan from Shanghaijim).
Buster Posey: He knows the rules!
♥BARRY ZITO♥
True...but I have just just as much right as anyone else is express my opinion
You don’t like the trade and asserted your reasons why…fine
I am meh about it and want to see what happens…fine
Some person out there may be think that Guillen will help the Giants…fine…
Why is my desire to have people have patience and prospective any less valid than your opinion that Guillen is not a good baseball player and thus should not be on the team?
Why is my desire to have people have patience and prospective any less valid than your opinion that Guillen is not a good baseball player and thus should not be on the team?
The first one is telling people what to think and how to behave.
The other is discussing a baseball player, and his relative value.
There’s a huge difference.
Adopted Giant: Ryan Rohlinger (on loan from Shanghaijim).
Buster Posey: He knows the rules!
♥BARRY ZITO♥
Patience and prospective when it comes to baseball trades
I am not making a judgment call on anyone…just reactions to this trade.
perspective
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
stop being a lawyer for 5 minutes
stop trying to win this argument
let. it. go.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
plus he’s arguing with a lawyer. Heh.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Please take this the nicest way possible...
I really don’t understand this…do you mean that everyone is just venting and not trying to have a baseball discussion…if so, fine…I agree with you since there is no point in arguing
I had assumed that people wanted to have a baseball discussion…
no, that's not what i mean
What I mean is you should stop trying to dictate how people react to this, or at least stop posting about it, because it’s kind of annoying.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
YOU’RE NOT THE BOSS OF OUR PATIENCE AND PERSPECTIVE.
Seriously, thought, you’re being really patronizing and condescending. It’s irritating.
Adopted Giant: Ryan Rohlinger (on loan from Shanghaijim).
Buster Posey: He knows the rules!
♥BARRY ZITO♥
Hmm.. Interesting. I took it as naive, not condescending.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know. In my world, “calm down” = patronizing.
Adopted Giant: Ryan Rohlinger (on loan from Shanghaijim).
Buster Posey: He knows the rules!
♥BARRY ZITO♥
This
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
by Prussian Creole on Aug 13, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey, calm down now, little lady.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow, “little lady”? Nicely played.
Adopted Giant: Ryan Rohlinger (on loan from Shanghaijim).
Buster Posey: He knows the rules!
♥BARRY ZITO♥
He could have gone with “sweetheart”.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
grumble
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 13, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I can use sweetheart while not sounding condescending.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 13, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Eating those valentine’s candies.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
No really, I can
It is all in the sincerity.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 13, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I was going for a high score on the condescension meter.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Pfft
Here I am stuck with this “Condensation Meter”
Stupid internet ordering.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Calm down KDL! Is it your time of the month?
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 13, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL
It’s a good thing I know you’re joking! ;-)
Adopted Giant: Ryan Rohlinger (on loan from Shanghaijim).
Buster Posey: He knows the rules!
♥BARRY ZITO♥
Personally I don't think "calm down" is condescending
but if others took it that way, I will apologize for that.
“I apologize if you reacted badly to what I did. You should probably just calm down.”
Adopted Giant: Ryan Rohlinger (on loan from Shanghaijim).
Buster Posey: He knows the rules!
♥BARRY ZITO♥
Sorry, calbearjd. Just trying to add some levity.
Adopted Giant: Ryan Rohlinger (on loan from Shanghaijim).
Buster Posey: He knows the rules!
♥BARRY ZITO♥
It’s probably because she’s right.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 13, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Just for the record,
I didn’t see it as condescending, patronizing, rude, insulting or anything other than someone making a suggestion. Much like all the others here are making suggestions. Actually, some of them make demands, but I ignore those since they seem to be the same people who get offended by opinions contrary to their own.
by mrs. owlcroft on Aug 13, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Because the opinion that Guillen is not a good baseball player is supported by mountains of evidence
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Who cares about the opinion/fact dichotomy? Fact: Guillen sucks.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
“WOW, LOOK AT THIS HUGE SALE!! IT’S ALL CLEARANCE SHIT THAT NOBODY WANTED TO BEGIN WITH BUT IT’S REALLY CHEAP, SO IT MUST BE WORTH IT!!!”
"Bengie Molina - the quintessential double play possibility." - Jon MIller
by calpolynate on Aug 13, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe we can make them useful again even though it hasn’t been useful ever!!
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 13, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
He has been named as the starter
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
This is not so much directed at you
BUT I HATE THE ARGUMENT “WE GOT HIM FOR NOTHING”
It is bullshit and never correct.
The Giants trade another player, in some cases 2, send money, have to add more to their payroll.
THERE IS ALWAYS A COST TO THESE THINGS.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Salary completely paid by the Royals
Player to be named later = lower level prospect that is just as much a lottery ticket as Guillen
But now he takes a spot in the lineup from someone more valuable. I’d agree with you if he’s coming off the bench. But he’s not. He’s going to be misused by our manager and is going to play RF CLANK everyday
by Rook Takes Pawn on Aug 13, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Okay...
then we have a difference of opinion on value…
I think Guillen will plays as good/bad as Huff in RF…
Ishikawa is better in the field than Huff but Huff is a much better bat
Question is whether Guillen is better than Ishikawa on the lineup…I love Ishi but I don’t know…I am willing to give Guillen a few ABs to show me.
If he doesn’t play well, Guillen goes to the bench and the lineup goes back to the way it was.
Again..meh.
Huff's bat more than makes up for his issues in RF
This will not be the case with Guillen.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Why?
I think Guillen will plays as good/bad as Huff in RF…
Highly, highly, highly doubtful.
Ultimately, you’re downgrading your defense at 1B, downgrading your defense in the outfield – just to get a guy who’s bat is probably no better than the guy who he’ll be taking AB’s from (Ishikawa).
This is insanity.
Why...Huff isn't that great in RF?
Huff’s UZR/150 in RF is -38.2
Career UZR/150 in RF in -15.4
Guillen’s UZR/150 in RF is 31.2 (although it was atrocious last year)
Career UZR/150 in RF is -4.2
pretty small samples
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
So you put more stock in Guillen's 29 plays in right field this season
Than his 80 plays in right field last season?
Of course not. Where did you get that idea? It’s about Huff’s very small RF sample at -38.2. Plus balls off the wall are counted as in zone at AT&T, IIRC, so there can be weird UZR issues with RF there.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
We still sent another player
That is not free.
It is just incorrect. Value has nothing to do with my being irked at it. It’s more of a semantics thing.
And I am probably the only one who has this problem, so ignore it and carry on. Just wanted to outburst about it.
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
But Guillen is a ticket that has already been scratched and found to not be a winner.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
That's not true...
If want to say that it’s a ticket with one space unscratched…I will give you that…
But say that someone who hit 16 homers in th MLB this season (albeit early in the year) is completely would be unfair
So, hey I’ve got all these tools in my garage right now. They’re all pretty useless. They’re worn away and all the handle have thorns in them. You can have them for free. You’ll take it? Thanks!
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 13, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Using your analogy
The tool has one good use…it could be potentially helpful in doing one of your projects but we are not sure..
In the past, the handles are pretty slippery and thorny.
To be fair, the useless tool could still be used to hit Jose Guillen over the head and keep him out of the lineup. That’s value.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Here’s the thing. You know that it’s trash when you take it and you already have a set of tools in your garage that works decently. So, why are you taking on garbage?
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 13, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
First of all,
no one is taking tools away from my garage…if the garbage remains garbage…I will just throw it away.
But there is a possibility that the garbage may work and since I am getting it for free..why not..
No one is taking away your tools. I’m saying you already have a set of tools. Why are you taking on excess tools that have are a known quantity. They don’t work. They haven’t worked. The point is we know it’s garbage.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 13, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Because there is a small percent that the tool will work well for your project
At worst…it’s garbage and you throw it away and it takes up some space in the trash bin
Wrong Analogy
You have two tools: one is beat up and not great, but it works. One is beat up and works very poorly if at all.
Tool 1 is Ishikawa
Tool 2 is Guillen
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
He’s just going to say there’s a chance that tool 2 can be redeemed because we got it for free.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 13, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
You’re probably right.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Please read delorean’s link on opportunity cost.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 13, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Opportunity costs are great in theory
but it boils down to “you don’t know what would have happened if you did or did not do something.”
Fine…opportunity costs analysis
1) Giants can go on the win the World Series
2) Giants make the playoffs
3) Giants do not make the playoffs
I am not sure my answers really changes at this point for any of the points whether Guillen is on the team or not…
Seems to me like you’re being deliberately obtuse here.
The opportunity cost analysis to me is pretty straightforward: There are 25 active roster spots. Giants have a pretty decent complement of OFers that have been performing well. Acquiring Guillen means making room for him on the 25-man roster, and the cost is whatever production you might have lost from that guy.
Also there’s the matter of playing time: Guillen’s already been dubbed the starting RFer, which we can only hope is bluster at this point. That costs playing time and ABs for Ishikawa and Schierholtz, most likely.
There are myriad other costs, including whoever the PTBNL ends up being, but those are the two immediate ones in my mind.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
But the end result is
whether the Giants will win more games with Guillen or without…again…I can’t say that one was or another.
I’m not sure you understood opportunity cost.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 13, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Or
I have these newer tools, they have never had the chance to be used in this particular project before, but have had some success on lower level projects.
Also, you already own them, so you could try those out.
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
I didn’t say: Calm Down people
I said my preference is for people to calm down
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
I DIDN’T SAY TO CALM DOWN. I SAID I’D LIKE EVERYONE TO CALM DOWN!
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 13, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I didn't say fuck you
I said I hope you fuck yourself
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by capn on Aug 13, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Brilliant
So optimistic I fart sunshine and rainbows.
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Aug 13, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
So, you’re saying he sucks but we need to see if he magically won’t suck?
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 13, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Jose Guillen has had 3 above average seasons with the bat alone as a major league player. In 14 years, he’s been DECENT with the bat THREE TIMES. Those times, they were not recent.
And he’s bad on defense.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I mean, fuck, dude, just glance at his BBR page.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Evidence? What evidence?!
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♥BARRY ZITO♥
Duh
An entire career’s worth of numbers can’t mean anything. We need to see how he plays for the Giants before we judge.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 13, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
In his last 8 years by OPS+
142
121
116
75
116
95
80
101
So he’s had one decent year in his last 5 years without factoring in defense. sweet.
The Giants don’t fare well against pitchers.
BUT HE WAS FREE. IF YOU GOT POOP FOR FREE YOU WOULD TAKE IT RIGHT?
I would like to talk to you about my pokemonz
LOLpportunity cost
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
i make my own poop thank you very much
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
i like to sign big free agent poop in the offseason. I am a veritable George Shitbrenner.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Brian Sabean does not value your AAA poop
when he can get poop with ML experience
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
If my poop doesn't have ML experience
My poop cannot get ML experience
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by calpolynate on Aug 13, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Not too put too fine a point on it.
But most recently, he’s played for the Kansas City Royals. He hasn’t had major league experience for a while.
say I'm the only bee in your bonnet
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
How do you define "decent"?
I’d think that four of those years would qualify.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?
‘in the last five years’
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
eh…Ishikawa’s range is much better than Huff’s at first…
Favorite all-time Giants?
The MLB Record holder for the most sac flies in a season by a left handed hitter.
What happens later?
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m going to go for a walk and kick the stadium.
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis who is stuck in the baseball purgatory called extended spring training.
Guillen in 2009
“I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That’s the way I’m playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that’s the way I feel. Yes, I suck.”
He's not retired...THANK YOU!
awesome! great to have him here!
"There he goes. One of god's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
by KINGofCRA5H on Aug 13, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Non-SF fans say:
“Well, then, he’s in the right city!!! AMIRITE?!?!”
by Every6thDay on Aug 13, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
/laughtrack
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
No soundeffects for Dave Feldhouse
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
Well
I guess I’m glad he takes responsibilty and all
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Ryan Verdugo, my adopted son, has an ERA of pi in his last 10 games. Oh yeah, and he strikes 12 per 9 innings. Kid's a beast. He also joins recently acquired Mike Fontenot in the "Giants who went to LSU" club.
Slightly OT
Has anyone else noticed that Torres seems a little lost in the OF the last few games?
He’s not getting a good break on the ball, or judging them well. He’s not quite Fred Lewis/Eugenio Velez bad, but he isn’t playing like he did earlier in the year.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
I wonder if he's tired? He's covering a lot of outfield in general
And even moreso if Guillen is indeed starting in RF.
He was held out yesterday
cause of leg tightness. Could be more of a lingering problem from the long season. I hope they give him some more rest in September when the rosters expand.
And we are safely in first place.
#knocksonwood
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
What he said in the post-game interview
was that he’d felt a little tired, but could have played yesterday. I think the day (mostly) off will help him.
by mrs. owlcroft on Aug 13, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Remember how the Rockies used Jason Giambi last year?
They could use Guillen in that role and as long as this guy isn’t some black hole of positive emotion sucking the good feelings out of everyone he walks past in the locker room, it may not be a terrible decision.
They could use him like that, but they’re not gonna.
by Every6thDay on Aug 13, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Guillen doesn't wear a thong
As far as I kknow
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Aug 13, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Except for they’ve already said Guillen will start.
FUCK THIS TEAM
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Ryan Verdugo, my adopted son, has an ERA of pi in his last 10 games. Oh yeah, and he strikes 12 per 9 innings. Kid's a beast. He also joins recently acquired Mike Fontenot in the "Giants who went to LSU" club.
The key difference is that Giambi is a good hitter, whereas Guillen is not a good hitter.
Osiris, Lord of the Dead, and relief pitcher for the Fresno Grizzlies.
Well
was a good hitter
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
When the Rockies acquired Giambi in 2009, he wasn’t hitting well at the time but had hit pretty well the previous year. This year he’s got a .273/.409/.396 line, which isn’t spectacular but also is not bad. Guillen hasn’t been good since 2007.
Osiris, Lord of the Dead, and relief pitcher for the Fresno Grizzlies.
I was not aware Giambi was still doing that well.
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
So Nate and Guillen are equal in WAR. I wouldn’t mind adding Guillen to the bench as another option, but since he’ll be starting, there’s a problem.
Torres is gonna have a lot of ground to cover between Burrell and Guillen.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
So Nate and Guillen are equal in WAR.
Really?
This trade is so fucking stupid.
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Buster Posey: He knows the rules!
♥BARRY ZITO♥
And Guillen's WAR will be dropping like a rock because of CLANK
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Ryan Verdugo, my adopted son, has an ERA of pi in his last 10 games. Oh yeah, and he strikes 12 per 9 innings. Kid's a beast. He also joins recently acquired Mike Fontenot in the "Giants who went to LSU" club.
Especially in AT&T’s RF.
Adopted Giant: Ryan Rohlinger (on loan from Shanghaijim).
Buster Posey: He knows the rules!
♥BARRY ZITO♥
Yep.
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Ryan Verdugo, my adopted son, has an ERA of pi in his last 10 games. Oh yeah, and he strikes 12 per 9 innings. Kid's a beast. He also joins recently acquired Mike Fontenot in the "Giants who went to LSU" club.
So… equal in WAR (disregarding the Nate has fewer PA). So the main advantage is he’s older and more dickish?
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I am so not mentally prepared...
for all the inside-the-park homers when Guillen misplays a ball off the right-field wall.
by Rook Takes Pawn on Aug 13, 2010 10:28 AM PDT reply actions
Shift+A
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUCK.
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There it is!
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
pros and cons
there are WAY more cons
"There he goes. One of god's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
Sabean as a GM
Seems like a guy who opts for the path of least resistance when making a trade. He is very good at acquiring players other teams are trying desperately to get rid of, and that’s about it.
lol SF Media
knbrmurph
Don’t know how J. Guillen will fit in clubhouse. Do know this: 16 HR,62 RBI puts him 2nd and 3rd on team, respectively, right now. #SFGiants
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OH GOD YOU ARE STUPID WITH THE HR AND RBI
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s actually the least of the stupidity in that stupid sentence.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
RBI is stupid, HR is marginally ok. Afterall, a home run represents the single best outcome a hitter can achieve at the plate by himself. RBI is strictly context dependent.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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marginally AT BEST. SLG maybe? HR with OUTS is not good.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Are you Tim McCarver?
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
What are you talking about? Sure, he has 16 HR, but his OBP is .314. That’s bad. Out maker.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Dream taker.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Ok, for whatever reason I read “HR with OUTS” as being “hitting home runs when there are already outs is no good because it kills rallies and you can’t win the World Series if you kill rallies and stuff like that.”
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
Oh good sweet jesus no.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
lols aside, 16 home runs being second on the team is kinda sad.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
LOL
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
THEY ARE GOING TO ADD THOSE 16 HR AND 62 RBI TO THE ONES WE ALREADY HAVE SUDDENLY OUR OFFENS RULES
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
They will retroactively win a bunch of games they thought they lost!
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♥BARRY ZITO♥
It’s sad that I don’t even want Guillen to be good.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Even though they’re not similar players, I think his time as a Giant will be reminiscent of Alex Sanchez.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I’ll take 2003 Jeffrey Hammonds.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
16 HR,62 RBI puts him 2nd and 3rd on team, respectively, right now.
I hate this shit. It’s wrong. 0 HR and 0 RBIs put him last on the team respectively right now. He hasn’t hit anything for the Giants.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you.
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Buster Posey: He knows the rules!
♥BARRY ZITO♥
That is beyond stupid
My god. It burns.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
i know that a lot of people are resistant to sabermetrics
but can they at least realize how these stats are not useful in evaluating a player??
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. There are people who are interested in RUNS THAT ACTUALLY SCORED and people who are interested in HOW RUNS ACTUALLY GET SCORED.
Most people seem to be in the first group, and they only rarely ever understand the second group.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Typically people with little time to think about how runs get scored.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
Or little interest.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
fair enough to the casual fan
but not when its your JOB to be ANALYZING the game.
There is a large portion of the first group who simply aren’t interested enough in the functions of the game to invest in figuring it out, and that’s fine. There is also a large and very loud minority who simply don’t understand that a process has any value and won’t no matter how much you try to explain it. For them, actual results that already happened justify whatever process brings them. And you can’t change their minds.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
which leads me to my favorite worst statistic ever
runs scored….who cares how many runs you score?
MY POKEMONZ
LET ME SHOW YOU THEM
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Well generally
if my team scores more runs then your team I win. So scoring and driving in runs matters. No?
I think the point is that the total number of runs a team scores is not a useful number. A team that scores a lot of runs but gives up even more is a bad team.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Who cares, howtheyscored?
Joe Mauer is from Minnesota. My adopted son, RHP Steve Edlefsen, is from Minnesota. Joe Mauer is very good at baseball. Call up Steve Edlefsen, Giants! Science™ is begging you.
They aren't mutually exclusive
Both are tools. HR;‘s and RBI’s arent the be all end all. But they aren’t irrelevant either.
His AB/HR puts him tied for fourth on the team with Uribe (and slightly ahead of Whiteside/Bowker/Rowand)
And I doubt that ratio’s getting better in this park, in this division, against the type of pitching he’s going to be seeing.
I just don’t see how this is really a huge increase in power over what we already had.
No, it puts him last on the team because he has 0 home runs in 0 at bats. Fuck.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
what an idiot
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 13, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Fuck. My brother is talking to me about Jose Guillen’s RBIs.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
My dad just called
and was talking about how it’s a great day to be a Giants fan. At least he did on voice mail. I didn’t pick up the phone
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Ryan Verdugo, my adopted son, has an ERA of pi in his last 10 games. Oh yeah, and he strikes 12 per 9 innings. Kid's a beast. He also joins recently acquired Mike Fontenot in the "Giants who went to LSU" club.
now you can save the voicemail for posterity
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by calpolynate on Aug 13, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
My brother actually hates Guillen, to his credit. It’s just unfortunate that the one thing that lets him rationalize the move in any way is RBIs.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
My dad sounded positively giddy
it’s sad:(. Whenever I try to get into an intelligent baseball discussion, he always makes fun of stats. it pisses me off.
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Ryan Verdugo, my adopted son, has an ERA of pi in his last 10 games. Oh yeah, and he strikes 12 per 9 innings. Kid's a beast. He also joins recently acquired Mike Fontenot in the "Giants who went to LSU" club.
My brother isn’t too bad with stats in general. He likes average, but he understands the value of OBP. He understand BABIP, though I don’t know how he values it. He just also thinks that there is an intrinsic ability that allows certain players to wait to get hits until guys are on base. So it’s a give and take with him.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
My dad is awful
he loves RBIs. Whenever I try to bring FIP or BABIP or any other stat into it, he says BABIP like a word in this outrageous tone and then the conversation pretty much ends. My brother is much better. I was able to convince him that RBIs are useless.
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Ryan Verdugo, my adopted son, has an ERA of pi in his last 10 games. Oh yeah, and he strikes 12 per 9 innings. Kid's a beast. He also joins recently acquired Mike Fontenot in the "Giants who went to LSU" club.
My dad is the same, except he throws in, “I coached baseball for many years, so I know my stuff!” Hasn’t coached in probably 25 years, and did it at the high school level. Lame.
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♥BARRY ZITO♥
yeah
it’s useless arguing. I love my dad, but it’s annoying
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Ryan Verdugo, my adopted son, has an ERA of pi in his last 10 games. Oh yeah, and he strikes 12 per 9 innings. Kid's a beast. He also joins recently acquired Mike Fontenot in the "Giants who went to LSU" club.
Understanding BABIP shows promise though.
I have a friend I occasionally talk baseball with who wouldn’t understand BABIP if I explained it to him every day for a year.
Joe Mauer is from Minnesota. My adopted son, RHP Steve Edlefsen, is from Minnesota. Joe Mauer is very good at baseball. Call up Steve Edlefsen, Giants! Science™ is begging you.
My dad certainly doesn't understand it
No matter how many times I try and explain it.
Also, get better friends
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Ryan Verdugo, my adopted son, has an ERA of pi in his last 10 games. Oh yeah, and he strikes 12 per 9 innings. Kid's a beast. He also joins recently acquired Mike Fontenot in the "Giants who went to LSU" club.
The weird thing about BABIP is that it’s so easy to understand. “So, you know when a guy hits a ball right on the nose and it just happens to find a glove by bad luck? Yeah, BABIP tells you how much that’s been happening.”
It’s so fucking easy!
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I wonder how much people will just be convinced by the talking heads.
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Word
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Did you kick him in the balls?
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No. I’ve told him before that I don’t care about RBIs and I’ve explained why. When he said it to me, I just said “I don’t care.”
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by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
pfft
being rational sucks.
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Well it's a done deal, so no use crying over spilled milk
Vent for a day, and let’s hope he goes BABIP on the NL for a few weeks. If anything, our Bench is still a little bit stronger now than it was yesterday with Ishikawa and coming off the Bench instead of Burriss.
I am going to try to stay positive, because I just cannot deal with the alternative.
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and pray for health for the middle infield
‘cause it won’t be pretty otherwise, and this isn’t exactly the series we’d like to find out just how not pretty it is.
Bochy has already said
that he is going to start. while I completely agree with you, its hard to ignore those alternatives.
"There he goes. One of god's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
by KINGofCRA5H on Aug 13, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
could be worse
could have been posednik
"Life is like a grapefruit. Well, it's sort of orangy-yellow and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, too. Oh, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
by operation carrot on Aug 13, 2010 10:34 AM PDT reply actions
Podsednik is a better player then Guillen.
at least Podsenik has been hitting this year, or decade.
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podsednik would have been better assuming both are starters.
but as a bench player i like guillens bat more
although pods has the speed for pinch running and d.
actually i think i would prefer pods upon further reflection
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by operation carrot on Aug 13, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
But,
They are both starters.
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im still really really hoping that guillen isnt a starter and those tweets were a mistake or something
"Life is like a grapefruit. Well, it's sort of orangy-yellow and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, too. Oh, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
by operation carrot on Aug 13, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
But,
They quoted Bochy.
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WHAT DID BOCHY SAY?
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
HOW HOT IS IT?
Bruce Bochy confirms Guillen will be the everyday RF and Aubrey Huff will play 1b. #sfgiants
So not direct quote, but saying it came from him.
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Fuck everything.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh you were seriously asking?
I thought you were busting my chops
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No, I got to this thread late and only started reading the new comments. Shit hell.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh
carry on then.
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God damn it all. This team has actually been FUN for me to watch, too. This is going to fuck with that. It has already fucked with that. Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Exactly.
This really has been one of the most fun to watch teams I can recall. Anything that messes with that will just upset me more.
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could be worse
could have been posednik DYE
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by Fire Sabean on Aug 13, 2010 10:34 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Hey you are getting better
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Aug 13, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
@SavvySabes If we can survive Guillen, we can survive the playoff race. BS
by Every6thDay on Aug 13, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Shit A -- TOENAIL
From the Yahoo Article.
He was out for weeks after a knee injury sustained while he was putting on a shin guard and missed several days of 2009 spring training after deciding to rip out an ingrown toenail with a pair of pliers.
Let's bring the...
jesus fucking christ.
"There he goes. One of god's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
by KINGofCRA5H on Aug 13, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Someone not on the 25 man.
Probably low level player because they are paying us to take him.
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this
"There he goes. One of god's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
by KINGofCRA5H on Aug 13, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
That makes me feel a little better.
Jeaaaggaahh
by Soulbrother16 on Aug 13, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I hope it’s someone inconsequential. If it’s someone I remotely care about I’m gonna burn shit down.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 13, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
..
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by jctGamer on Aug 13, 2010 10:41 AM PDT reply actions 5 recs
love these.
"There he goes. One of god's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
by KINGofCRA5H on Aug 13, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Nobody understands what Uribe says
Nobody. Not even Pablo.
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YES
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Ryan Verdugo, my adopted son, has an ERA of pi in his last 10 games. Oh yeah, and he strikes 12 per 9 innings. Kid's a beast. He also joins recently acquired Mike Fontenot in the "Giants who went to LSU" club.
Haha Rec'd
Joe Mauer is from Minnesota. My adopted son, RHP Steve Edlefsen, is from Minnesota. Joe Mauer is very good at baseball. Call up Steve Edlefsen, Giants! Science™ is begging you.
I hope so.
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HAI GUYS
At least it wasn’t Jeff Francouer. AMIRITE?!
i would've preferred Francouer
He can play D. That said, I would’ve been filled with rage had we acquired him to start in RF as well, because Nate is better than him.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Nate's better than Guillen too
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Ryan Verdugo, my adopted son, has an ERA of pi in his last 10 games. Oh yeah, and he strikes 12 per 9 innings. Kid's a beast. He also joins recently acquired Mike Fontenot in the "Giants who went to LSU" club.
UZR numbers
Burrell, LF: -7.6 runs UZR/150
Rowand, CF: +7.6 runs UZR/150
Guillen, RF: -4.2 runs UZR/150
lol
Ask me about my blog.
so what your saying is...
guillen is solely responsible for costing us 4.2 runs?
no
over the course of 150 games he would. I don’t know what the exact figures are for how many games we have left. Though he will be worse because RF in AT&T is tough, and he’s getting older
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Ryan Verdugo, my adopted son, has an ERA of pi in his last 10 games. Oh yeah, and he strikes 12 per 9 innings. Kid's a beast. He also joins recently acquired Mike Fontenot in the "Giants who went to LSU" club.
That is truly awful
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Ryan Verdugo, my adopted son, has an ERA of pi in his last 10 games. Oh yeah, and he strikes 12 per 9 innings. Kid's a beast. He also joins recently acquired Mike Fontenot in the "Giants who went to LSU" club.
BUT GUYZ HES CLUTCH
LOOK AT HIS POST SEASON STATZ
.455/.571/545
MONEY DOWN THE STRECH
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He believes he's Midas
Sabean: Susan, find me more washed-up former decent bats. I can’t lose!
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Susan: Mr. Sabean, I’ve found what you’re looking for. Here’s the address.
Sabean: That’s great, Susan. But where are my keys!?
by Every6thDay on Aug 13, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Susan: Mr. Sabean, it’s an email address you don’t need keys to get there.
Sabean: Does this have something to do with those fancy stats you’re always blabbering about.
So optimistic I fart sunshine and rainbows.
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by Giant Torture on Aug 13, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Nothing
talking about the new Futurama from last night.
Been real quiet in the baseball world
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I really liked last night’s episode! I think it was the best new one yet!
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by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I did love the robot planet
And they did not make any fundamental changes to a character to satisfy one episode’s plot this time.
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It felt like they were actually using the science fiction aspect of the show to look at something larger in a more or less well-reasoned way. Which is 100 times better than laughing about iPhones.
Frankly, it reminded me of the Bender meets God episode, except without any of the heart.
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by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah it was really cool
Plus there were some really great designs in there of the robot dinosaurs and the trilobots.
I also like the “evolution of robot” painting that had Bender’s spring with googly eyes and R2-D2 on it.
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..
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
The irony of this all is
If we wanted a big bat (DH), who along with terrible defense, is also a clubhouse cancer, we should have just signed Lamar.
Odom?
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Joey Harrington was not very good
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YEAH JOEY!
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Joey Heatherton was
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Aug 13, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
This reminds me – have you ever tried the super falafel at the Sunrise Deli on 2nd st.? Yum.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Headly.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
God, I wish!
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by NuschlerFace on Aug 13, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I've beat you before and I'll beat you again
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by nvsfg on Aug 13, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like Guillen purely as a fantasy owner
Plus this allows us to start this guy at first.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
by RDreamer on Aug 13, 2010 10:52 AM PDT reply actions 6 recs
LOL
Joe Mauer is from Minnesota. My adopted son, RHP Steve Edlefsen, is from Minnesota. Joe Mauer is very good at baseball. Call up Steve Edlefsen, Giants! Science™ is begging you.
nice.
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by lurkers UNTIE on Aug 13, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I never thought I’d say this, but I really hope we start Burrell – Rowand – Torres.
With Guillen, Ishi, and whoever isn’t playing 2b on the bench, it doesn’t look as bad.
if the move leaves you hoping for a rowand start
than it was a bad move
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by operation carrot on Aug 13, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is dumb
Next person to call Guillen a “Big Bat” gets a smack in the face
I would like to talk to you about my pokemonz
Hello ladies
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by RDreamer on Aug 13, 2010 11:00 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
NOOOO! DAMN YOU EMMY NOMINATED OLD SPICE GUY
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 13, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
He’s the right fielder our right fielder could smell like.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 13, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
So Baron, ready to say good-bye to Burriss?
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I braced myself for Burriss and/or Adrianza for Bautista. We might get the same with this.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 13, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh god, if it’s Adrianza I will conduct a brief affair with a flight of stairs.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
As will I. I’m still meh on Adrianza, but he’s worth more than Guillen.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 13, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Dr B is that you?
Did anyone see that he has a blog? LOL. Maybe he has a stats corner where he adds up runs and RBI to rate players.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I wonder which one of your beloved prospects will now be in the KC org.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
My brother woke me up to tell me about the deal. I don’t really get this or the Fontenot deal. I’m kinda okay with Fontenot, if he was playing. It’s just more of the same with Sabean, acquisition without actually doing a damn thing with the acquisitions. Maybe we are actually playing Pokemon here.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 13, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
I was not upset about Fontenot
more irked by the continued policy of “move for the sake of making a move”, but this has made me forget about the Fontenot deal.
Literally, I forgot we had him earlier in the thread.
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The difference is that Fontenot is a decent baseball player.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah. Losing Evan Crawford for Fontenot wasn’t a bad move, in my mind. But he’s not doing anything. Why trade for a guy, who can contribute, and not have him play?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 13, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, that’s a very small sample.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t expect Sabean to deviate from the events of the last few days at all.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 13, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, let's be fair...
Sabean doesn’t make the lineups.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
true
But he’s the one who delivered Fontenot to us.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 13, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m surprised by the amount of optimism I’ve seen for Fontenot around here.
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs.
I don’t know that it’s optimism for Fontenot so much as “oh, this actually makes the team slightly better.”
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe one of those “in a vacuum” things? If they wanted a lefty who can hit why not just play Bowker?
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs.
Because they traded him.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
And anyway, it seemed like Fontenot was more of a response to Sanchez being so bad and Renteria hitting the DL again than it was to any sort of “ohweneedalefty” mentality.
When you have to resort to calling up Burriss, then it’s time to trade for Fontenot.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe I’m too in love with our youngsters but if it was a lefty bat they needed then they never should have traded Bowker. If it’s a middle infielder they needed then why not give Downs a shot?
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs.
I liked the Fontenot trade
Mostly because I want there to be a Freddy Sanchez/Fontenot platoon at 2B.
I was shocked when I went to look at Freddy’s career splits. He is turrrrrible against RHP, and Fontenot isn’t.
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My Son
I’m okay with it, like I said. But when’s he gonna play?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 13, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Well
I want him to be the everyday 2B against righties, but it doesn’t seem like that’ll happen. It looks like he’s gonna be spot starter/lefty off the bench.
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
At least Fontenot sorta makes sense. We needed an infielder, and he’s OK. Getting Guillen makes none sense.
Yeah
And it appears, for the SSS, that Fontenot will be used correctly. Utility BACKUP and PH.
I have no such faith for Guillen
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
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Baron's back!
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
BVCE!
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
OT
cool infographic on the Old Spice campaign
http://knowyourmeme.com/i/000/065/441/original/kym-old-spice-infographic_large.jpg
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Grant doesn’t understand hastags
mccoveychron
Jose Guillen is Aaron Rowand with 100 more AB, six more home runs, and horrible defense. BUT SIX MORE HOME RUNS! #the*royals*didntwanthim
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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He does.
Grant is a master of the rules, hence, he can break them for added effect. In this case, Jose Guillen is so bad that simply commenting on the subject BREAKS TWITTER
by Every6thDay on Aug 13, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Wreck'd
So optimistic I fart sunshine and rainbows.
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by Giant Torture on Aug 13, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
But I hardly even know her.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm legitimately scared of what will happen when bondslegend gets here
"Baseball is a game filled with moments of anticipation. The ones who can keep their calm while heading in to a storm can make their mark on a season. And what happens in those moments is what turns mere men… in to Giants."
My Son
He’s probably out rioting
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 13, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
If you know where, let me know
I’d like to join him.
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by Giant Torture on Aug 13, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
seriously
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Ryan Verdugo, my adopted son, has an ERA of pi in his last 10 games. Oh yeah, and he strikes 12 per 9 innings. Kid's a beast. He also joins recently acquired Mike Fontenot in the "Giants who went to LSU" club.
He's still very good
at preventing inside-the-park home runs. He will not have it. 3 bases, tops.
Of course, now he has to deal with 421, so all bets are off.
From what I understand, Guillen was blocking a solid younger player, so I can’t imagine Sabez gave up anything notable for him.
Well, I can imagine it actually, but you know what I’m saying.
It’s a PTBNL because it hasn’t been a year since Belt signed.
by Grant Brisbee on Aug 13, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
LOUD NOISES
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From what I understand, Guillen was blocking a solid younger player
Since Guillen was cut, your Royals right fielder has been: mostly Willie Bloomquist. Solid and younger as opposed to air and dirt, I grant you.
blocked by solid.
Sounds about right.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Aug 13, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
weren’t
/grammar’d
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
he's right
subjunctive mood.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 13, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
CB30
The subjunctive is much much more commonly employed as a separate conjugated form in many other languages. It is a staple in all the Romance languages, eg. Spanish, French, etc. Learning subjunctive applications is one of the great challenges of mastering those languages. It doesn’t come natural to a speaker of American English.
Essentially, you use the subjunctive form of the verb if you are describing a condition contrary to fact or making a suggestion. “If I were a rich man” (you’re not rich), “It’s important that you be patient” (you’re not being patient), “I recommended that Panda run five a day,” (just a suggestion). Note that the subjunctive verb is always in the subordinate clause and is responding to circumstance of the main clause.
It’s a remnant from an earlier time, like ‘whom’, but the rule is still on the books. Most native speakers get by just fine without it.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Aug 13, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Not exactly.
The subjunctive can be expressed in two ways, an older and a newer (as is the case with many things in English). The older is the morphological form—changes in the verb—such as “If he be the one”; the newer makes use of auxiliaries, such as should or would. The older form is still eloquent-sounding, in good part because it is widely prevalent in texts respected for their sonority, such as the King James Bible; but as a practical tool for expressing what the subjunctive conveys, it is quite weak compared to the flexibility and power that the newer modes, using auxiliary verbs, provide.
So most native speakers get along just fine without using the older forms, true; but they use, fluently and fluidly (and, I daresay, often without conscious recognition), the modern auxiliary forms.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wasn’t implies that he no longer is.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Not really.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Aug 13, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh wait… I did something wrong in my brain. Ignore that.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 13, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh snap. Did you miss all of that?
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
I’ve been living under a rock this summer. Spill.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 13, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Jponry should tell this
she tells it better.
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Some time after her was traded to Toronoto (dates are a bit fuzzy) he apparently decided to respond on his FB to all the Giants “fans” that had been hating on him while we was here with SF. His method of choice? “Roll call for all the FAGS out there.”
Stay classy, Fred Lewis.
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by Prussian Creole on Aug 13, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I am literally disappoint.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 13, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I feel bad now that I ever defended him as a player. There are other people out there worth defending who manage not to use such a disgusting word in such a disgusting manner.
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
by Prussian Creole on Aug 13, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought he was a good person on top of being a good player. Now I see he is neither, and really a myopic asshole.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 13, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I could be wrong, but as a highly Christian young man from Mississippi, I think he is basically a good person who is in need of some severe enlightenment…
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Homophobia is one of my hot buttons. I get really bellicose when someone starts on that.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 13, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
“Is” is much cooler.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 13, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Signed,
Bill Clinton
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 13, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
This, pending my determining the meaning of the word “bellicose”
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by Prussian Creole on Aug 13, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Time for Latin class
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
HAWT BUTTONS!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 13, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Leave it to Lars
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 13, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
We always do
And he rarely disappoints
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?
Update
I have looked up bellicose and I am now in complete agreement with Baron. I hereby reaffirm my “This” from before.
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by Prussian Creole on Aug 13, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I can totally understand that and I’m not justifying his homophobia… just saying that being raised in rural Mississippi is a distinct disadvantage in that regard.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I get where you’re coming from.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 13, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Holy shit
Dude’s hitting .255/.314/.429.
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
I blame Grant
His writeup last night about how the Giants won due to patient players taking walks prompted this.
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
You make an excellent point
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
Usually there is a little mystery and excitement to see how a player will do when he just joins the Giants. Nothing here
I would like to talk to you about my pokemonz
BUT YOU FORGOT AL-NL TRANSLATION:
AL: .255/.314/.429
NL: .378/.523/.689
P.T.F. Bat
by deuce deuce on Aug 13, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Don't know if this was already mentioned up thread, but
Jeff Fletcher of AOL fanhouse is reporting that Bork is making Guillen the starting RF and moving Huff to 1B…..fuckity, fuck, fuck. http://twitter.com/JeffFletcherAOL/status/21080735216
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by deuce deuce on Aug 13, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
lol
"There he goes. One of god's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
by KINGofCRA5H on Aug 13, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
MCC is cyclical
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Damn work
Is getting in the way of my being pissed off about what an idiot Sabean is.
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by Giant Torture on Aug 13, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s okay, I’m late to the party as well. I was gonna suggest we have a group hug with Lars.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 13, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
You might want to call “no propelling” before you do that.
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
by Prussian Creole on Aug 13, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
er, “propellering”
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
by Prussian Creole on Aug 13, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Didn't something like 25 other teams pass on this guy?
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Ryan Verdugo, my adopted son, has an ERA of pi in his last 10 games. Oh yeah, and he strikes 12 per 9 innings. Kid's a beast. He also joins recently acquired Mike Fontenot in the "Giants who went to LSU" club.
I dub this thread the 'Great Jose Guillen Freakout of 2010'
I also love the fact that his has 1,200 comments in it.
<3 McC
Ask me about my blog.
LOL BAGGS
One other new thought on Guillen: I’m assuming the Giants see him as primarily a weapon against left-handed pitching, and don’t forget that the Padres are pitching two lefties in this weekend series. The Giants haven’t touched Clayton Richard or Wade LeBlanc this season, and Bochy has mentioned on more than one occasion that the Giants just need to figure out how to score on this unsexy but effective Padres staff. So there’s no coincidence at the timing here. Guillen is a right-handed bat acquired to give the Giants a new option against the Padres’ lefties.
But, uh, there’s just one problem with all that. Guillen’s platoon splits are almost identical throughout his career (.270 vs. .271). And he was hitting .217 with one home run in 83 at-bats against left-handers this season (including .188 vs. lefty starters). He also was in a 4-for-48 slide when the Royals DFA’d him.
"There he goes. One of god's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
Nice
I give this an A-, only losing points because of the heavy use of batting average in the rationale.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
You know, I never understood the McC knocks on batting average. I mean, obviously OBP and SLG are huge factors of consideration as well, but average certainly isn’t anything near a useless stat. Hits are better than walks. Not saying a player shouldn’t walk, but I’d rather have a .300/.330 hitter than a .280/.350, or something like that.
by GrooveGiant on Aug 13, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
SLG
"Bengie Molina - the quintessential double play possibility." - Jon MIller
by calpolynate on Aug 13, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I was going to ask, “How is a single better than a walk?” but then I realized that the probable response would involve a single is better because sometimes there are runners in scoring position and putting a ball in play will score a guy from 2nd or 3rd whereas a walk will not. So, I was going to not post a response. Then I realized that the ability to avoid making outs is GREATER than the ability to get base hits.
by Every6thDay on Aug 13, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
the ability to avoid making outs is GREATER than the ability to get base hits.
I think this is debatable. While I agree with you in theory, I think it’s actually a situational thing. Say for example, there are 2 outs and a runner on 2nd. A base hit knocks in the run, and a walk leaves that job to the next guy, who may or may not be more likely to drive that run in. In that scenario, a hit is much, much more valuable than a walk. Thus, batting average actually has a lot of value.
by GrooveGiant on Aug 13, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
…in that one situation. Over a season, the higher OBP player is much better (presuming identical SLG, as they aren’t listed).
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Run expectancy
Runner on 2nd, two out: 0.344
Runners on first and second, two out: 0.466
That walk increases the chances of the team scoring a run. So unless the pitcher is up next, a walk is just fine (it’s almost as much improvement as a runner on first stealing second with two outs).
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
But a .300/.330 hitter is more likely to drive in a run in either of those two scenarios than a .280/.350 hitter, isn’t he?
by GrooveGiant on Aug 13, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Not if he’s swinging at pitches outside the strike zone.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Not necessarily. The .350 guy probably has a better idea of what to do at the plate in any scenario.
Yeah, I guess it just seems very debatable to me.
I just have a hard time getting over the fact that a hit puts pressure on the defense, allows a runner to move from 1st-3rd or 2nd-home, etc. To me that seems like it would be worth a certain amount of OBP, even if it’s minimal.
by GrooveGiant on Aug 13, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL nerds
if the runner at 2B is slow, the pitcher will go after the guy less likely to deliver a long hit
if the runner at 2B is fast, the pitcher will go after the guy less likely to ground a single
The money lies in the RBIs
-- Jeff Kent
I hate this argument because while it sounds good, it doesn’t bear out in the numbers.
Take the guy that walks.
Ask me about my blog.
by xanthan on Aug 13, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
TWSS
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
What has value . . .
. . . is what a player does, which is separate from the metrics we use to describe what he has done.
The entire modern revolution in understanding how baseball really works internally began with the realization that not making outs is the prime desideratum of batting.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Well, obviously, the organization knows something about Guillen that the rest of Baseball and all of the SABR community don’t.
by Every6thDay on Aug 13, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL "unsexy"
Also Fuck you, Brian Sabean.
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This
Oh so fucking this.
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by Giant Torture on Aug 13, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
UNPOSSIBLE
For he is a left handed hitter.
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wow thats a lot of comments
has this been mentioned?
juan uribe: .258/.321/.446 15 HR 64 RBI
jose guillen: .255/.314/.429 16 HR 62 RBI
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by sadison bummedgarner on Aug 13, 2010 11:28 AM PDT reply actions
MUST HACK AT SLOP
"There he goes. One of god's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
by KINGofCRA5H on Aug 13, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Nightly.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Aug 13, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
That would be fine if Guillen could play SS, 3B and 2B well.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Aug 13, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Or cute and willing to take long walks on the beach.
by FireBrianSabean on Aug 13, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Does Guillen play SS?
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Does Guillen play SS?
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Not been mentioned
But we do not stick Uribe in RF
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im not saying i LIKE the move
im just saying its not all doom and gloom
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by sadison bummedgarner on Aug 13, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
agreed
Favorite all-time Giants?
The MLB Record holder for the most sac flies in a season by a left handed hitter.
by slurpster03 on Aug 13, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I would rather cower thank you.
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OT: Glen Coffee retires
What the actual fuck?
what
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 13, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Seriously
link?
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by Giant Torture on Aug 13, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Matt Maiocco Twittered it: http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Last-years-3rd-round-pick-retires-on-49ers.html
What the hell is this?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 13, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Bay Area Sports...
Torture
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Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Aug 13, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
hey at least the Raiders beat the fucking Cowboys
rejoice!
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It could be worse
It could be Crabtree retiring
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So is he injured or crazy?
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
wish blount would have stayed now
"Life is like a grapefruit. Well, it's sort of orangy-yellow and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, too. Oh, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
by operation carrot on Aug 13, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Whaaaat?
Somewhere in the minor leagues, Joe Paterson is pitching.
by imovermyhead on Aug 13, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Wuh? How old is he?
The Magic is inside all of us.
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he was drafted last year
So he’s like 23 or 24
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Well, it’s not like he was the future or anything.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Where I’m from, that’s called “quitting your job.”
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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Maybe he wants to play for another team. Anyone know the rules behind that?
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs.
I don't like you at all
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 13, 2010 11:39 AM PDT reply actions
WE WERE BROTHERS!
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
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/looks at watch
“I’m never gonna catch that 8:30 show if I stay here forever making sure this son of a bitch dies.”
/leaves
The Magic is inside all of us.
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LOL PLOT HOLES
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/unfollows Lars
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
The love?
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Isn't this the kind of deal
that Agent Ned was supposed to prevent? Have we no safety margin anymore?
We had no safety margin ever. Sabean does was he wants. We are all powerless to prevent it.
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
by Prussian Creole on Aug 13, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I know, right?
I don’t like the way this day going so far. Jonathan better fuck some shit up tonight.
Fuck Armageddon, this is hell.
HAI GAIZ!
Wow this thread has blown up over lunch. Did we swoop on the outfielder that is going to carry us to the playoffs or something?
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs.
As with buying a handgun
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by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 13, 2010 11:51 AM PDT reply actions
there used to not be one but i think we added one after some trolling
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by operation carrot on Aug 13, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
There was I think
then Grant let it down from someone, but after that there was an immigration of stupid
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I actually have posted there!
What should I say!
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Ryan Verdugo, my adopted son, has an ERA of pi in his last 10 games. Oh yeah, and he strikes 12 per 9 innings. Kid's a beast. He also joins recently acquired Mike Fontenot in the "Giants who went to LSU" club.
I wouldn't be nearly as bothered...
…if the Giants were the sort of team that would keep Guillen on a leash thisfuckingshort and would can his useless ass at the first sign of sustained suckiness or bitchiness.
But no – Bochyhead will “Vinny Castilla” this situation right into the ground.
So, after all of the masterful picthing, the incredible resurgence of Huff and Burrell, the out-of-nowhere emergence of Torres, the long-overdue dispatching of Molina…Sabean throws the Guillen-turd right into the fucking punch bowl.
BTW, my Firefox auto-spellchecker did NOT tag Guillen-turd as misspelled. So there.
You'd think there was a meteor falling on the ballpark....
Well, the power did go out down here at 10:30, but still, I mean that’s not a sign.
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I have a baaaad feeling about this
The timing is so bad, too. I dunno. I’m kind of shocked as I can’t see any logical reason for this pick up. I know Sabean forgets that players age, but yeah wow just wow.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Aug 13, 2010 11:56 AM PDT reply actions
From Rosenthal
#Royals getting PTBN for Guillen and including cash in deal. Possible PTBN is major leaguer who needs to clear waivers. #SFGiants #MLB
WHO IS RIGHT? TWIT WAR
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 13, 2010 11:58 AM PDT reply actions
So is it Ishikawa or Schierholtz?
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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FOR FUCK’S SAKE
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by Prussian Creole on Aug 13, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
HE SAID POSSIBLY! HE CAN SAY ANYTHING HE WANTS WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT IT’S ACCURACY WHATSOEVER
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 13, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s Matt Cain.
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs.
Jonathan Sanchez. I’m only half joking.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 13, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I dunno if Nate would clear waivers
Ishi might.
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This can’t be right….please
Boo
by LosGigantesTodoElTiempo on Aug 13, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Holy Freak Out
I go to dinner and come back to a new fanshot and 1422 comments!
No one here gets out alive.
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by Cody_ransom on Aug 13, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
In other news
Chris Dominguez was named as the best power hitter in the SAL, and best defensive 3rd baseman.
LOL McCoven groupthink
I fail to see how this is such a the-world-is-ending, horrible deal that will kill our men and rape our women. My reaction: meh. Bochy could fuck it up by playing him in right every fucking single day, but he hasn’t done that yet. His stats have indicated that his hitting still has a teensy bit of value, and I don’t see him staying for longer than this year (without looking up his contract status). Meh. Assuming the PTBNL is just a lower-minors scrub, of course.
Now Glen Coffee retiring? That’s a huge disappointment.
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For the rest of the season? Where’d you see that?
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by lurkers UNTIE on Aug 13, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah, Twitter
The source of all reputable news in today’s world.
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by lurkers UNTIE on Aug 13, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Is Jeff Fletcher normally not a reliable source of information?
Or are you anti-twitter across the board?
The fact that he says “Bruce Bochy confirms” takes a bit of the speculation out of it.
It, um, actually is nowadays
Everything gets announced through twitter, but thanks for playing.
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Hilariously
This thread is titled, “Twitter / Ken Rosenthal: Rival executive says Guillen to SF Giants is ‘done.’” Not sure if lurkers could be any more wrong.
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You seem to have it out for me.
That one twitter post, that says “Guillen will be the everyday RF”. Managers say stuff. Doesn’t mean something will happen between new and then to change Bork’s mind.
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by lurkers UNTIE on Aug 13, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
So, I guess you can just go with the “who knows what will happen” with everything to justify any position you want to take. Me? I like to go with most likely scenario.
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fair enough.
But I think I’m looking at the same things that’re making you deduce the most likely scenario, and I don’t feel as badly as you do. I guess that’s my fault, or something…..?
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by lurkers UNTIE on Aug 13, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the most likely scenario is that he’s no upgrade and cost something. For me, that’s a terrible move. The only think I’m hoping for now is that he didn’t cost anything worthwhile and he doesn’t completely suck when he plays.
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BIL COSBY DIED!!???!
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Get over it, 32 teams passed on Jackson too.
by itlynstalyn on Aug 13, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
That move was made when Nolan was the GM.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
Yes, but McCloughan was in charge of scouting, so that’s on him. He’s the one who was in love with Smith.
Nolan wanted to trade down. He was in love with Braylon Edwards.
But...that means McCloughan saved us from Edwards
I love Rodgers but Smith >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Edwards
I'm disappointed
In the football knowledge on this site or lack thereof.
Aaron Rodgers sat almost three years behind a future HOF’er on a team that had immensely more talent than the 2005 49ers. He would have had the same problems had SF drafted him.
by itlynstalyn on Aug 13, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
He would have had the same problems had SF drafted him.
You have no way of knowing this. Sitting helps QB’s, and that’s what Smith should have done. There is no doubt that Nolan did a shitty job preparing for having a young QB on the roster and forcing him into the lineup so soon, but Rodgers at the end of the day has a lot more talent and natural instincts to play QB in the NFL. And that has nothing to do with the teams they play on.
Uh yeah there is.
Peyton Manning couldn’t have survived behind that O-line in his first season:
Adam Snyder – rookie
David Bass – rookie
Eric Heitmann
Justin Smiley
Kwame Harris
His receivers consisted of the carcass of Johnnie Morton, Brandon Lloyd and Arnaz Battle and his RB was Kevan Barlow
/shoots self.
by itlynstalyn on Aug 13, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Manning could have yes. Mostly because he gets rid of the ball on time and can read a defense BEFORE the snap, not to mention afterwords.
Manning just made it to a Super Bowl last year with an Oline full of scrubs.
LOL
Jeff Saturday’s a SCRUB?
Tony Ugoh’s a scrub?
Lilja and Diem are pretty good also. You can’t be serious.
by itlynstalyn on Aug 13, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Ugoh doesn’t even start dude, and yes he’s a scrub.
Saturday isn’t terrible, but he’s not Nick Mangold either. Do you think anybody would even know who the fuck Saturday was if it wasn’t for Manning?
Lilja and Diem are mediocre. Kevin Devan? Charlie Johnson? They are scrubs. So is Mike Pollack.
Saturday is a four-time pro-bowler for Christ’s sake. He was mauling people before Nick Mangold was even in the league.
And statistically, the Colts line was #1 in the league last year in sacks allowed (13) and QB hits (44). Pretty hard to imagine “scrubs” could do that. Peyton barely gets touched EVER compared to every other QB in the league.
by itlynstalyn on Aug 13, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
the Colts line was #1 in the league last year in sacks allowed (13) and QB hits (44). Pretty hard to imagine "scrubs" could do that. Peyton barely gets touched EVER compared to every other QB in the league.
Why do you think this is? Is it because his Oline is good or because maybe Peyton knows what the fuck he’s doing? He pretty much tells everyone on that offense what to do before the ball is even snapped. He’s better at reading the defense then anyone.
It's not a comment about Alex
If you watch Rodgers play in college…you would know that he was the perfect pro quarterback…accurate and good reads. the knock on him was his arm…Rodgers has been literally killed in GB (no o-line and holds the ball a little too long) and still puts up incredible numbers
Smith came out of a gimmicky system that did not translate well to the pros…it took a number of years to get that out of his system and then he got hurt.
BTW: Go to the Niners’ blog…I am an Alex Smith defender
Hindsight is 20/20.
Rodgers does have better reads and he is an accurate QB and a good one at that. I still am going to maintain that he was going to go through the exact same growing pains as Alex because of the situation he would have been thrown into.
The REAL knock on Rodgers was that he was a Tedford system QB. Alex was more mobile, quicker, better arm and one of the smartest football players to come out of the draft in recent memory.
I just don’t really think there was any other choice to make other than to try and trade out of that pick.
by itlynstalyn on Aug 13, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Alex was more mobile, quicker, better arm and one of the smartest football players to come out of the draft in recent memory.
No fucking way. Did you watch both play in college?? The only tards who thought this were the people who had never seen both play.
Smith’s arm strength was AVERAGE. Rodgers had a much stronger arm. As for mobility, that is horseshit too. Alex played in a scheme that had designed runs for him as a QB and option reads. Rodgers played in a pro style offense. Both of their NFL Combine numbers were identical, with Rodgers doing slightly better in certain drills that measure quickness and speed. Smith is smart, but so is Rodgers. The Wonderlic doesn’t measure football intelligence. Dan Marino got a 13 for crying out loud.
I did watch both play in college, and also read every single scouting report that was on every draft site. Every pundit thought those things.
I never said they SHOULD have drafted him, all I said was that they had absolutely no choice. Rodgers would have turned out the exact same way due to the talent surrounding him, the myriad of OC’s/learning a new system five years in a row and the shitty handling of his first year in the league.
by itlynstalyn on Aug 13, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Not every pundit thought that though.
They had a choice. Rodgers was much better, and I’m not saying this in hindsight. The guy carved up USC for crying out loud, when they were the best team in college football. He also carved up Va Tech the year before, which was a very good team, a very good defense with multiple DB’s who were NFL draft picks. Willie Pile, DeAngelo Hall, Jimmy Williams, Eric Green, Vincent Fuller etc.
And it’s not like Rodgers had some stud receivers at Cal. Chase Lyman? Dude would blow out his ACL every year.
There’s no way to know how he would have turned out. Rodgers has more talent and he was more Pro ready, which most likely means he would have handled the adjustment a lot better and seamlessly. Would he have had growing pains? For sure, especially considering the talent of the team at the time. But I think he’d still have turned out to be the stud passer he is now. We’re still waiting for Alex to develop NOW, and it’s been 6 years.
The majority did and that’s the point.
Alex’s pro-day set himself apart. 20+ other teams passed on Rodgers too, a lot of them that NEEDED QB’s.
If Rodgers didn’t have Favre to sit behind for two years, and be put in a stable situation with the same OC since forever, he wouldn’t have turned out the way he did. There’s no doubt in my mind. Alex played well last year, and will continue to improve this year.
by itlynstalyn on Aug 13, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Bochy could fuck it up by playing him in right every fucking single day
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by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 13, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Bochy could will fuck it up by playing him in right every fucking single day
There, that’s better. <3
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I’d just like to hold out some hope that Bochy (or at least Sabean) will sit him if he isn’t contributing. Like, you know, Andres Torres getting more starts in CF than Rowand.
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by lurkers UNTIE on Aug 13, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
This is the kind of move the reaffirms what the McCoven already knows
That the Giants front office values RBIs and Veteran presence instead of not making outs. The follow on bitching is just the the realization manifesting itself in different ways.
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by jctGamer on Aug 13, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Game. Set. Match.
(and rec’d)
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Yeah, this is why I don't post here more often.
“Tepidly dissenting opinion? Then GTFO.”
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by lurkers UNTIE on Aug 13, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
ciao!
Glad to see you are familiar with the routine.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Aug 13, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually
I find that dissenting opinions when backed up with some facts and maybe 15 seconds of research are received very well. It’s when fellows like your self stride in to the room armed with nothing but assumptions and hunches and try to be contrarian that you are discarded. You think intelligent people are going to give you a dollar for your ten cent idea?
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Aug 13, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
THAT'S TOTAL BULLSHIT!!!!
Wait, what did you say?
by FireBrianSabean on Aug 13, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t need anything for my viewpoint. I’m just surprised that my own opinion, which was not trying to be contrarian, which was merely trying to be neutral, is met with flames. Whatever. Be that way if you want. I don’t think it’s healthy to just assume any sort of disagreement means less because it’s going against the norm. If you don’t think my viewpoint added anything to the discussion, then that’s fine. I prefer it when a discussion has some deliberation to it. I didn’t see much of that with most of the comments in this thread.
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by lurkers UNTIE on Aug 13, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Drop out the McCoven groupthink horseshit (you had to realize what you were doing there)
And you’d have probably been ok. You started the shit, don’t go crying to mommy when you get shit on back.
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thanks
For proving my point for me.
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by lurkers UNTIE on Aug 13, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Use your brain
If you hadn’t started your comment with an insult, maybe people wouldn’t have been insulted and attacked you.
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Only too true, unfortunately.
If you dissent from the established posters, you are wrong. Wish they’d post that at the beginning for the benefit of newcomers.
by mrs. owlcroft on Aug 13, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
This is such bullshit
Just present well-reasoned thoughts that aren’t easily proven false and you’ll be fine. If there’s any “group-think”, it’s that sometimes there is a correct answer and intelligent people will arrive at that.
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by mrs. owlcroft on Aug 13, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I love that people imagine there to be a gang of “established posters” who decide what’s right and wrong and thereby set the party line. As if we don’t have knock-down drag-outs with one another all the time.
There IS no correct answer
At least not that we can arrive at right now. Call me at the end of the season to say “I told you so” then. This is sports talk, nothing more, nothing less.
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by lurkers UNTIE on Aug 13, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
The correct answer is that Guillen is a bad baseball player.
If he goes nuts for two months and takes us to the playoffs, that doesn’t make it wrong. It just makes it unexpectedly irrelevant.
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by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Eh...
I care about results right now. Hopefully Sabes won’t get credit if that happens, because I don’t think Guillen is all that good, but jeez, if he helps us to the playoffs, why not be happy about it?
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by lurkers UNTIE on Aug 13, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
We will be, if that's what happens
It doesn’t change the fact that it’s a move that doesn’t make sense.
If a friend decides to bet his rent money on 00, I’m going to tell him it’s a dumb idea. If he happens to win, I’m going to tell him that he’s a lucky SOB. And that the next round is on him.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
IF he does, I will be happy for it then. There is absolutely no reason to look at this trade today and think “this is a good thing.”
Every argument for the guy seems to boil down to “WHAT IF HE HITS LIKE PUJOLS FOR TWO MONTHS WHAT THEN?”
Well, you know what? That will be great. If it happens, I will be fucking thrilled.
Right now, though, it’s a stupid trade without a lot of upside.
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by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
WHAT IF TI HITS LIKE PUJOLS FOR THE NEXT TWO MONTHS
Now he won’t because he’s on the bench and we’ve lost that potential.
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Right now, though, it’s a stupid trade without a lot of upside.
Totally fair. Is there really that much downside, though?
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by lurkers UNTIE on Aug 13, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
There is some downside
Guillen could make the team worse.
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Than who? Schierholtz? Rownads?
If so, looking at their numbers… not by much.
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by lurkers UNTIE on Aug 13, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
When you consider defense, it gets pretty ugly for Guillen. And at least with TI and Nate you can squint and hope for some upside (unlikely as it is).
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Good point
The numbers aren’t good for Guillen’s defense. I hope there are enough “anecdotal examples” to show Bork that he shouldn’t be playing out there very much. Or wait, do I? That would mean he’d be committing a lot of errors. I don’t like that, either, because it hurts the team. Man, now I’m confused :)
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by lurkers UNTIE on Aug 13, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m fine with Guillen being a pinch hitter, but I just worry he’s going to be entrenched as the everyday RF. To be fair to Bochy, he’s done a better job recently of doling out PT, so there’s hope that if Guillen sucked he’d be benched.
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there ya go
It took a long time for us to more-or-less agree on things, but I’m glad we did.
That wasn’t so hard, was it?
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by lurkers UNTIE on Aug 13, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow. Thank you so much for reducing our thoughts/arguments/beliefs etc. to the category of “group-think” that’s in NO WAY patronizing.
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by Prussian Creole on Aug 13, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, for fuck's sake
The “Groupthink” thing was meant tongue-in-cheek. That’s why there was a “LOL” before it.
Well excuuuuuuuuuse me, princess.
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by lurkers UNTIE on Aug 13, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
1. I wasn’t commenting on you groupthink comment. I was comment on mrs. owlcroft’s comment.
2. Don’t ever, EVER, call me princess. I don’t care if you’re joking. You’re out of fucking line.
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by Prussian Creole on Aug 13, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
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by lurkers UNTIE on Aug 13, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
No really. You’re laughing. I’m not laughing. Don’t call me names.
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by Prussian Creole on Aug 13, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I was thinking more of you would get that reference
And I was flabbergasted when you (guys) took that seriously. Wow! Sorry Prussian Creole, I didn’t know.
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by lurkers UNTIE on Aug 13, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I missed the reference
I will CALM DOWN now
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Ryan Verdugo, my adopted son, has an ERA of pi in his last 10 games. Oh yeah, and he strikes 12 per 9 innings. Kid's a beast. He also joins recently acquired Mike Fontenot in the "Giants who went to LSU" club.
No, I didn’t get the reference (I have no idea what cartoon that is) but you apologized, so fine, I’ll move on. But I suggest you remember this next time you disagree with someone and want to voice it. It doesn’t matter if we don’t have the same opinion – feel free to disagree with me all you want – just don’t resort to name calling.
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by Prussian Creole on Aug 13, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that might make it worse…
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Honestly
You try to sound like you don’t want to be hostile, then you resort to name calling. Nice.
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Ryan Verdugo, my adopted son, has an ERA of pi in his last 10 games. Oh yeah, and he strikes 12 per 9 innings. Kid's a beast. He also joins recently acquired Mike Fontenot in the "Giants who went to LSU" club.
THIS
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Ryan Verdugo, my adopted son, has an ERA of pi in his last 10 games. Oh yeah, and he strikes 12 per 9 innings. Kid's a beast. He also joins recently acquired Mike Fontenot in the "Giants who went to LSU" club.
Do you think the ‘LOL MCCoven Groupthink’ header can be fairly classified as tepid?
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes.
Because I wasn’t disagreeing with the majority’s opinions of the trade. I was “meh” on it. I interpret that as being neutral. It’s surprising and disturbing to me that a neutral opinion can be so hated because it doesn’t replicate the overwhelming tide of opinions. But go ahead, if it makes you feel better, or if you need to let out some spite. I don’t get why that has to be directed at me, though.
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by lurkers UNTIE on Aug 13, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Ha ha. It’s funny when people project their emotions on me.
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by lurkers UNTIE on Aug 13, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
OK, having just taken the trouble to actually read this subthread, I can say that what you’re seeing as hatred and intolerance is actually mild and genteel disagreement. At least till you started getting snippy.
Whatever, man
I don’t really know how you interpreted me getting snippy (especially compared to those who responded to me). It is the internet, after all; there is a gross lack of communicative context.
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by lurkers UNTIE on Aug 13, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
It's
lurkers UNITE UNTIE
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
I know, huh!!!!
I find this all very amusing. That it proves my point is gravy. You all don’t see it that way? Well, obviously not. But this sub-thread has been a kick.
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by lurkers UNTIE on Aug 13, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
This is more my sentiment
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
you're a basketball player for the warriors?
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that's "basketball player"
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LOL
ouch, man :)
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by lurkers UNTIE on Aug 13, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Reread the question.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Fine. I'm sorry for using that heading.
I wasn’t being entirely serious. But obviously it was a poor choice of words.
My argument stands, though. My opinion took way more than its fair share of flak, especially for what I expected.
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by lurkers UNTIE on Aug 13, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry to hurt your feelings princess.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
They're not hurt. My feelings aren't the point anyway; it's the pervasive negative sentiment directed towards dissenting opinion.
My original point was that you can’t disagree with popular opinion here without becoming somewhat of a board-pariah. I didn’t really take offense, but the fact that I was so flamed was indicative of the negativity I often find here that just kind of feeds on itself. It’s as if popular opinion has taken a mind of its own. I wanted to give some perspective to the negativity about the trade (let me reiterate: I’m neutral on it), and failed miserably. Then I wanted to give some perspective about the negativity of reactions to dissenting opinions, but since that was in and of itself a dissenting opinion, I obviously failed again. Miserably. I’m not sure why I expected anything different, in retrospect.
It’s not like I’m blaming anybody individually; this kind of stuff is human nature, and will be heightened by the internet’s limitations on social context (You know, can’t see the face you’re talking to, etc). I would hope we could steer clear of that, but obviously, not. Oh well. It’s not worth trying, probably. Once I lose my interest again in commenting on this site, you will be glad to get rid of me. So it goes.
…Oh, and you will address me as YOUR HIGHNESS, sir!!!
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by lurkers UNTIE on Aug 13, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
So very much this… so tired of older = better.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
So if the McCoven already knoes all about the valuing of gamertude, etc. over not making outs
Why is everybody acting like this is such a big deal? This shouldn’t be surprising to anyone. And all of a sudden it becomes a wildly unpopular sentiment to just shrug and move on.
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by lurkers UNTIE on Aug 13, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
*knows
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by lurkers UNTIE on Aug 13, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Cmon
This has nothing to do with veteran presence. He isn’t that type of guy. It adds a power bat. I understand he’s not a high OBP guy. But who is he replacing? Ishi and Rowand. The former had his run and is not likely to add much pop from here on out. The latter – the less said he better Nate has simply hit himself out of any real time. And I’m a Nate fan. Your lineup is now:
Torres
Sanchez
Huff
Posey
Burrell
Sandoval
Guillen
Uribe
The bottom three are all low OBP guys. But Sandoval is beginning to hit and Guillen and Uribe have some pop. Again – remember Atlanta. Also- they go into Phllly next week. Power is a premium there.
If they give up anybody significant, then I agree that this is a bad move. If not, its a low risk gamble. He gets out of a bad situation in KC. He wants to prove something has a couple good months – its good.
I'll start Nate/Rowand/Ishi over Guillen any day of the week
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Ryan Verdugo, my adopted son, has an ERA of pi in his last 10 games. Oh yeah, and he strikes 12 per 9 innings. Kid's a beast. He also joins recently acquired Mike Fontenot in the "Giants who went to LSU" club.
Bochy has already stated that he will RF everyday. So you’re basically making the argument that because he hasn’t actually taken the field yet, we shouldn’t freak out because it hasn’t all been fucked up yet?
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by Prussian Creole on Aug 13, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
You can freak out if you want. But it’s kinda hard to predict exactly what’s going to happen. If he does play in right the rest of the season, then I’d be inclined to agree with you.
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by lurkers UNTIE on Aug 13, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Glen Coffee wasn’t really all that important to the team. I think the 49ers will somehow manage.
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by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s always with raping the women. Blech.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Serious
The men get no love, forcibly or no.
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I am pulling down my pants and mooning all of you.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 13, 2010 12:07 PM PDT reply actions
I can never unsee it.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Is that you peering in my window?
/repositions
/moons
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by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 13, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh so that’s you outside my window right now. I had no idea that you were a homeless black man.
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by Prussian Creole on Aug 13, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I prefer shelter challenged minority.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 13, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Neal is Real!
Several of the Giants’ prospects with Double-A Richmond have lost luster this season while playing in the cavernous Diamond. That hasn’t happened to OF Thomas Neal, who isn’t posting his gaudy California League numbers from 2009 but is having another good season. He’s hitting .349 so far in August and pounded six doubles during a 12-for-25 (.480) stretch last week, boosting his overall line to .296/.363/.442. Neal, 22, actually has hit lefties (.346) better than righties this season (.280) and profiles as a solid regular rather than as a star, but that’s more than can be said of most of his Flying Squirrels teammates
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 13, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
and then was traded to Kansas City mirite
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 13, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Solid. Regular.
I could use some of that.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Aug 13, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
IT COULD BE AN OLD BOYFRIEND!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 13, 2010 12:09 PM PDT reply actions
Reply fail or reference I don’t understand?
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by Prussian Creole on Aug 13, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
READ MY CRAPPY BLOG!
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Aug 13, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
My God relax people
First, you can’t analyze this until you know whom the player to be named later is. Second, remember Atlanta? Third, Nate S. has hit himself out of any playing time. Fourth, Guillen is a threat with the bat. That is an improvement Fifth, this is not going to afect the development of anyone in the minors. This is a low risk deal, assuming they gave up a low prospect (ie Rowhlinger). If Guillen hits he plays, if not he sits or just gets released. He’s an improvement over Rowand. Ishil is not hitting with any pop right now and he’s back to being the main guy off the bench. Burriss will be the one sent down. The hope is you catch lightning in a bottle. He can help.
EVERYONE, IT IS MY PREFERENCE THAT YOU CALM DOWN.
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DONT TELL ME TO RELAX! I’M TOTALLY CALM!
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Calmer than you dude.
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs.
I like this meme.
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‘maymay’
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
He is definitely an improvement over Rowand
At least offensively. Defensively? Seems like that will be harder to discern with a month and a half of the season left. So, this.
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by lurkers UNTIE on Aug 13, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't tell people to relax!
They don’t take commands from plebes like you! They’d much rather get all mouth-frothy and spleeny and irrrational.
by mrs. owlcroft on Aug 13, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Is this yet another example of “not condescending”?
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LOL. I was just thinking that.
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by Prussian Creole on Aug 13, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Stop telling people not to tell people to relax!!
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Aug 13, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Stop telling people to not tell people to not tell people ...
wait. Stop telling people … Hmm. Stop telling …. Give me a few minutes here.
by mrs. owlcroft on Aug 13, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Fourth, Guillen is a threat with the bat.
by 2X2L on Aug 13, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think I will rec this.
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Guillen is fucking terrible
Go look at his numbers. HE IS FUCKING TERRIBLE AND OUR TEAM PROBABLY JUST GOT WORSE.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
Nobody said he can hit well.
But he is a threat with a bat. Check out the photo below!
by mrs. owlcroft on Aug 13, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
This is true
He is a huge threat with a bat. Hopefully he won’t be one to his teammates.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
Guillen is not a threat with the bat.
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by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriously. What does that even mean? He’s a threat with the bat. Who isn’t?
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 13, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
EVERYONE IS A THREAT WITH THE BAT
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Juan Marichal is a threat with the bat.
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by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
HOWIE? I AM A THREAT WITH THE BAT
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
IM HANGIN WIT BURREL BEING A THREAT WITH TEH BAT
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs.
REMEMBER ATLANTA
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Ryan Verdugo, my adopted son, has an ERA of pi in his last 10 games. Oh yeah, and he strikes 12 per 9 innings. Kid's a beast. He also joins recently acquired Mike Fontenot in the "Giants who went to LSU" club.
Wait, I don't get it...
I can’t figure out what you, LurkersUNTIE and calbearjd want us to do. Do you want us all to relax, or do you want us to like this trade? OK, here’s a for instance: Which scenario would be preferable to you…
If we all totally chilled and relaxed while still disliking the trade?
~or~
If we all started liking the trade but completely freaked out anyway?
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?
We need Guillen in case we get into a bench-clearing brawl with the Reds or Cardinals...!
Frank Robinson, a manager who actually liked Guillen, claimed he could “blow up in a second.” Since manager Mike Sciosia pissed Jose off during his stint in Anaheim, Guillen has claimed he “wants to kill” all the Angels every time he plays them. He also described Sciosia as being “like a piece of garbage.” Perspective is always good.
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by Timlincecum.com on Aug 13, 2010 12:15 PM PDT reply actions
Awww . . . cmon . . .
What’s wrong with Scioscia? He played his career for the Dodgers? He outmanaged Dusty in the 2002 WS? We would be only so lucky to be able to replace Bork with a manager that year-in and year-out gets his teams to overproduce for the talent he has to employ.
by NiceGuysFinishEtc on Aug 13, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Beat D-YA!!!
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Aug 13, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I AM FUCKING CHILLY AS A MOTHERFUCKER GODDAMMIT!!
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
GOOD, IM FUCKING CHILLY TOO AFTER BEING IN APTOS FOR 3 WEEKS
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I'M JUST GOING TO GO AND GET A BLANKET OR SOMETHING NOW
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 13, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
how about a nice glass of chardone?
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs.
Can't say i'm a big fan of wine, haha, but i'll go with it
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Me neither. I’ll have a jack ’n coke please.
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DON'T TELL ME WHAT I CAN OR CAN'T DO
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 13, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
You can do whatever you want.
The Magic is inside all of us.
Proud father of the man taking your hard-earned money.
DONT TELL M....
oh ok.
I’m not some Nerd-fuck who’s measuring REAL accomplishments against hypothetical BULLSHIT modeling and mythical probability graphs.
meh
I have about the same level of negative feelings about this deal as I did positive ones about the Fontenot trade.
Thing A
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He was out for weeks after a knee injury sustained while he was putting on a shin guard and missed several days of spring training in 2009 after deciding to rip out an ingrown toenail with a pair of pliers.
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Here’s what it looks like: Guillen will be pretty much the everyday right fielder. That means Huff returns to first, and Ishikawa to the bench. Whether Guillen’s glove in right is better, worse, or the same as Huff’s I don’t know, but I can’t see the difference being huge no matter which way. So what it comes down to is Guillen instead of either Ishikawa or Schierholtz in the lineup. (And depending on how they juggle, they may even platoon Guillen and Schierholtz).
Is Guillen a better or worse bat than Ishikawa? That’s about what it boils down to. On a career basis, no—but it’s not a runaway. In 2009, when ishikawa had the largest, by far, percentage playing time of his career, his TOP was a dreadful (for a corner guy) 726, which is middle-infielder level; thus, his career total is a crummy 762. But looking at the other years, Ishikawa looks like a guy who could put up something in the low 800s, which is just about what he’s at now—and that probably (I’m too lazy to look) reflects heavy platooning, too. Guillen’s career total is 780, so already we see it’s close. But also, Guillen is said to have had injury problems on and off through his KC career. It thus may not be coincidental that his last good season was 2007 (TOP 925), the last year before he hit KC.
Over his career, Guillen has been spotty, with unusually divergent highs and lows. If we compare his last good season, 2007, with his 2010 to date, we see: 2010 power factor better (1.68 vs 1.59); walks rates identical (6.2%); and hits rate—H/PA—rather lower in 2010 (.231 vs .261). But we also see a 2007 BABIP of .326 vs a 2010 BABIP of .282, and a career BABIP of .298 (about average).
My summing up is that if it is indeed Guillen’s bat for Ishikawa’s bat, it’s at worst a push, with a not-impossible chance at some upside, especially if the “new team, in contention” syndrome takes hold. It does not, on the record, look like a disaster.
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What of it?
I freely admit I haven’t looked up the numbers (in which I have limited faith anyway), but is Guillen so different in RF compared to Huff? And is Huff at 1B so very different from ishikawa? Much was made pre-season about Huff’s hideous defense at first, but it has been anything but. So I am unsure where any huge differential might come from. Not saying dogmatically that there isn’t, just saying I, for one, do not see it.
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-10 for TI to Huff at 1B
If Guillen and TI are close offensively, the defense kills any upgrade.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
It’s not Guillen vs. Ishikawa, it’s Guillen vs. Rowand.
Torres and Burrell are ensconced in the outfield; any time they want to move Huff back to first they can do so, by making Rowand a starter again. Rowand is a very similar hitter to Guillen, and an immensely better fielder.
An informal Rowand/Ishikawa platoon would probably be best, with Huff moving back and forth between first base and RF.
Rowand never plays anything but CF.
That’s just how it is.
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OK, my error.
I was in a hurry (anniversary dinner hitting the table). Yes, Guillen could also be seen as a trade-off for Rowand, as well as for Ishikawa. So how does Guillen’s offense compare with Rowand’s?
My take is that it is much as with ishikawa’s offense: at worst a push. On a sheer career basis, Rowand looks better, but that it seriously affected by the years in Philadelphia’s parks. Meanwhile Guillen has injury years on his record. I’d say the chance for upside—sheerly on offense, for the moment—lies with Guillen, small as that chance is.
On defense, how does Torres-CF and Guillen-RF compare with Rowand-CF and Torres-RF? Sure, the latter is better; but I’m not convinced it is so drastically better, that’s all.
I’m not saying Guillen is a definite improvement or anything like that, because he isn’t: I’m saying he is not a disastrous step backward, is probably a push, and might with luck be a small improvement.
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