Giants trade for Mike Fontenot
by Aadik on Aug 11, 2010 4:49 PM PDT
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Well, at least we know he will be able to make here in time for today's game. IT actually looks (from the stats) that we gave up a pretty decent prospect - Evan Crawford, hitting .316/.375/.447 in Low-A ball as a 20 year old - playing primarily CF. I can't find any BA reports on him unfortunately - we'll see.
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Wow.
I don’t mind this deal-though I don’t really see the point. Maybe Rent’s injury is serious.
Proud father of Mike Krukow (who is more than 3 times my age)
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Susan!
Who is that young go-getter driving in two with a pinch-hit double?
Um, that’s Ray Fontenot, sir.
I like the cut of his jib!
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?
What’s a jib?
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 11, 2010 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions
circumcision reference, I'm almost certain
"You can always recover from the player you didn't sign. You may never recover from the player you signed at the wrong price." --Billy Beane
"I am not an idiot."--Brian Sabean
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 11, 2010 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Wrong.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 11, 2010 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Is the poop deck really what I think it is?
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 11, 2010 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Main Entry: 1jib
Pronunciation: \ˈjib\
Function: noun
Etymology: origin unknown
Date: 1661
: a triangular sail set on a stay extending usually from the head of the foremast to the bowsprit or the jibboom; also : the small triangular headsail on a sloop — see sail illustration
or the Uban Dictionary definition
jib
Verb. To jib. Jibbing. The act of manuvering a bicycle, skateboard, snowboard or skis in tricky manner on top of and around a structure such as a stump, rocks, stairs, railigs, rooftops, etc. When you are playing around, showing off, jumping, flipping, hopping, etc you are jibbing.
Biker: Lets go jib on the steps at the library.
Adopted Son: Now with More STATZ goodness !Matt Downs Fangraphs The Juan Uribe of 2011 !
Also, I have an amusing image in my head
of Hendry continually calling Sabean and Sabean trying to avoid him.
(Because Olney’s article said Hendry was the easiest GM to get on the phone and Sabes was the most difficult).
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Presumably this is the end of Burriss before rosters expand. That is good. Unfortunately, Fontenot is not.
Ain't no Posey like a Buster Posey cause a Buster Posey don't stop...hitting.
Giants baseball: We're stupid enough to do that (TM)
I imagine they'll just put Rent on the DL
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Insurance Policy
I think this move has everything to do with the injury problems in the infield. Renteria might go on the DL, Uribe is nicked up, and Downs has a broken thumb. Burriss, Velez, Sanchez and Rohlinger have all spent time on the DL this year. They needed another infielder on the 40 man roster. Next I wouldn’t be surprised if they get a veteran catcher to put on the 40 man roster. They only have two. They are screwed if Posey or Whiteside gets injured.
So is Velez or Burriss optioned?
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Huh?
Rent goes on the DL, opening up the roster spot.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
But Velez was activated from the DL taking a roster spot
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Ah, good.
Proud father of Mike Krukow (who is more than 3 times my age)
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John Bowker: One of the 3 best OF's on the Giants roster
I'd much rather have Fontenot than Velez
Fontenot’s much better defensively than Velez, he can play shortstop and he can get on base a little. And considering we gave up a 22 year old who isn’t hitting in low A ball, I’m good.
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by Giantsfan4life on Aug 12, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Cool
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- Republik of Mancunia
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
Fontenot's controlled for 3 yrs...
Though not at a great value (1mil plus going forward), in looking at his defensive numbers 2b-ss-3b.
Provided Brown and Parker sign, that puts plenty of depth in our lower-level OFs. Kind of hedges the IF depth should Uribe decline our arbitration offer this offseason too.
This mostly works for me.
by sanfranfreakshow on Aug 11, 2010 5:05 PM PDT reply actions
That's a fantastic price.
There’s what the league plays for a decent reserve infielder, and then there’s what Sabean pays for a decent reserve infielder.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
Yes, at least this version is cheaper.
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis who is stuck in the baseball purgatory called extended spring training.
and gamier.
Proud parent of the new dominant pitching sensation out of San Diego State University.
Refocused on baseball. Sharks hockey: torture.
Eh. He appears to be better than Burriss, so whatever.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 11, 2010 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I think not!
How many batting titles four years ago has Fontenot won?
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Two?
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 11, 2010 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
If you multiply two by zero...
You’ll have the correct answer!
Franchez indeed!
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
LOL Giants
After we cursed out the Giants last night for allowing a two run double to such a weak hitter, the Giants go out and get him.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
by rxmeister on Aug 11, 2010 5:16 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I just heard this on KNBR
WTF? I don’t get this deal at all
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Aug 11, 2010 5:19 PM PDT reply actions
Downs out with a broken thumb. RyRoh they don’t seem to think all that highly of. And Burriss, is well, Burriss.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
And, frankly, there’s nothing wrong with cheap depth.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 11, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus RyRoh can't play short, and Fontenot can
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by Giantsfan4life on Aug 12, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Quick report on Fontenot
Left-handed hitting 2B who is useful against RHPs but isn’t particularly good against LHPs. He’s got some pop despite his size and knows how to take a walk. Defensively, he can play SS in emergencies and 3B at a below average level. He’s a decent defender at 2B and should stick there.
Do we know much about Crawford?
9th round pick out of Indiana last year
Athletic CF with good speed, but at this point he is more of an athlete than a baseball player.
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Sounds about right
Considering the Cubs could field a football team out of their recent draftees, they do love themselves some toolsy athletes.
by Outshined_One on Aug 11, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Leads the league in SB and triples
In low A. And he doesn’t get on base. Ten years from now, maybe he becomes Andres Torres. For now, he’s an athlete who can’t hit a breaking ball
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by Giantsfan4life on Aug 12, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
He made a monster throw to get Travis at the plate Monday night
Right in front of Sabean’s grill. That must have left an impression.
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- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
What I said to Outshined_One
9th round pick out of Indiana last year. Athletic CF with good speed, but at this point he is more of an athlete than a baseball player
Proud father of Mike Krukow (who is more than 3 times my age)
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Don’t forget too old for the level he’s playing in and not distinguishing himself all that well in it.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
Your Low A Stats For This Year Are Flat Out Wrong - He's Hitting .255/.319/.366 At Augusta In 477 PAs This Year
Last year he his .316/.375/.447 in just 129 PAs in Salem-Keizer.
That makes me feel better
A college kid should be doing much better than that at Low A. I’m meh on this deal
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that is correct
Mea Culpa. Now, don’t you have a tin foil to find somewhere?
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
Fonten-NO!
Dang-it. I was hoping for Uggla, but Fontenot will be equally entertaining as a name to use whenever he commits an error or does something offensively unbelievable.
"It kind of gives everybody else out there who is not a big person the motivation and the inspiration that they know they can do it, too."--Tim Lincecum
by Timlincecum.com on Aug 11, 2010 5:26 PM PDT reply actions
except Uggla isn’t sneaking through waivers.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 12, 2010 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions
meh
Thing A
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I like it. Second base has been in dire need of an upgrade – and, yes, I think Fontenot is better than Freddy Sanchez.
Which would put him slightly better than Sanchez……
by paboperfecto on Aug 11, 2010 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
He seems to have a pretty favorable platoon split against righties. Just don’t let him touch lefties. I really don’t seem to mind this deal.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 11, 2010 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions
How I feel about most of Sabean's trades
If Sabean was Michael Scott, and the teddy bear was Fontenot, I’d be Jan…
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?
by tobias on Aug 11, 2010 6:54 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
THAT is damned funny!
Rec’d
"You can always recover from the player you didn't sign. You may never recover from the player you signed at the wrong price." --Billy Beane
"I am not an idiot."--Brian Sabean
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 11, 2010 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Well actually after that, you go batshit crazy and throw a dundie through a tv.
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by raisingcain on Aug 11, 2010 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmmm, Fontenot was born in Slidell. I’m going to be associating him with Lucinda Williams from now on.
Now if we can just get someone born and raised in Pineola whose momma believes in the Pentacost!
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
Awesome
This just sets up trading Fontenot for an elite relief pitcher. Because that’s what we always do with Fontenots.
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we traded joe fontenot to the marlins a few years ago, now we get a fontenot back. Different Fontenot who cares.
Whose roster space is this guy taking?
I don’t even want to bother looking up stats on this deal, so I’ll just let you guys make up my mind for me. Do I like it or dislike it?
Good Trade
Our middle infield is either beat up or slumping.. Evan Crawford likely would have been competing for the center field spot in San Jose next year with first round pick Gary Brown and he probably would have either ended up on the bench or repeating at Augusta.
I think this is correct. It’s a harmless deal at the worst I think, and Fontenot is definitely better depth than what the Giants had. Plus, he’ll be around for a few years. I’m cool with it.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 12, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
It seems like people are bashing the trade just cuz Sabean made it...
If you look at the numbers…it’s a pretty good pick up.
We got: Fontenot:
2007: .278/.336/.402 (260 PAs)
2008: .305/.395/.514 (284 PAs)
2009: .236/.301/.377 (419 PAs)
2010: .284/.332/.402 (185 PAs)
He also takes pitches: 4.23 Pitches/appearance:
(compare: F. Sanchez: 3.70 P/PA; Panda: 3.42 P/PA; Rowand: 3.51 P/PA)
He was used as a LHP matchup to a RHP on the Cubs this year (.284/.333/.401 against RHP/only 7 PAs against LHPs). He actually hit LHP pretty well in 2008 but was bad in 2009 against any pitcher.
He is actually a really good complement to F. Sanchez who hits LHP well but sucks against RHP. (.350/.409/.500 v. .232/.293/.273)
Pretty good UZR in 2008 and 2009.
We traded:
Evan Crawford:
2009 (Lower A) .316/.375/.447 in 129 PAs
2010 (Higher A-Augusta): 4 hrs. 23 RBIs .255/.319/.366 in 477 PAs 35 BBs 108 Ks
Pretty much baseball garbage…no power, low average/OBP/SLG, and unbelievably high BB to K ratio (108Ks is unacceptable when you are only hitting 4 homers).
Conclusion:
With Sanchez and Fontenot combined, we get 2B Production of
.350/.409/.500 v LHP and .284/.332/.402 v. RHP
and had to give up basically nothing…
F. Sanchez who hits LHP well but sucks against RHP. (.350/.409/.500 v. .232/.293/.273)
Question – when are those splits from? I suspect they’re not long term splits because Sanchez wouldn’t be an everyday player hitting like that against RHP….
Also, how many of Fontenot’s career has been v RHP compared to v LHP? And we should look at career UZR, not single season UZR’s.
by Missing Barry on Aug 12, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Freddy’s stats are from 2010…
Fontenot has pretty much been a LHB v. RHP this year…
2008:
v. RHP: 259 PAs, .302/.393/.518
v. LHP: 25 PAs, .333/.417/.476
2009:
v. RHP: 362 PAs, .240/.309/.388
v. LHP: 57 PAs, .212/.246/.308
Pro-Tip: Don’t use lefty/righty splits for single seasons. Fontenot has a pretty favorable career split for righties, and Sanchez actually does have a very sizable platoon split for lefties (almost a career .900 OPS!).
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 12, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
who is bashing the trade?
it seems that everybody is either satisfied with the trade or ambivalent, which seems like an appropriate reaction.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 12, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm cautiously optimistic about this
I obviously want to see if he will continue to perform at his current level, or if the change of scenery affects him adversely.
If he’s a bit put out about being traded, even subconsciously, he may not continue to produce at the same level.
I think that’s unlikely, but it’s not like it can’t happen.
I came, I saw, I told bad jokes and left.
Well, he could also decide he’s happy in a new setting and hit like it’s 2008 again. I generally don’t worry about those things, not because I don’t think they can happen, but because I don’t think there’s any way to know if it will happen and what the effect will be. I’ll just stick with the average! ;)
by Missing Barry on Aug 12, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Got a point there.
And it’s not a huge worry to me, either. As I said, I’m cautiously optimistic, but unfortunately I’ve got a streak of either realism or pessimism that won’t let even a slight possibility of a problem out of my mind. Just enough to be annoying.
I came, I saw, I told bad jokes and left.
Eh, he’s a waiver wire transaction for a meaningless organizational filler piece. If he manages to Ron Pruitt a dying quail in somewhere at some point in the next 7 weeks he’ll have more than made himself worthwhile.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
It’s also likely he’ll be excited to have been traded to a team in a pennant race.
I’m also cool with the trade because it’s not like he’s blocking any middle infield prospects right now, and he’s probably not going to be blocking anyone for the next couple years. It’s fine by me.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Plus we now have a guy shorter than Timmeh
Big psychological boost, one would think
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Mark DeRosa is playing exactly the same amount of professional baseball as his adopted father, these days.
Can he play the middle infield?
Yes?
OK, organizational depth in an area that needs it, that’s cool.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
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