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If the Giants are _____ or better, then I want them to be buyers at the trade deadline. If they're in worse shape, then they shouldn't bother.
Tied for the division lead or better
32 votes
Within one or two games of the lead
118 votes
Within three or four games of the lead
262 votes
Within five or six games of the lead
176 votes
I don't care if they're fifteen out. We need to trade for a short-term fix.
28 votes
This poll is invalid because I don't trust the Giants managment to make a good trade, so I'm abstaining
368 votes
No trades, please. I don't care where in the standings they are.
96 votes

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Although I didn’t think so at the time, Sodom is way better than Kreator.

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.

by delorean on Jul 6, 2010 2:02 PM PDT reply actions  

I didn't have time to write today...

…but I do have time to mention that I just got a bunch of Kreator albums. I haven’t listened yet, but I’m looking forward to it. A recent discovery of Helloween made me realize there was a lot from the 80s and 90s that I’m missing.

by Grant Brisbee on Jul 6, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Helloween are pretty lousy

Hallow’s Eve, however, are rad.

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.

by delorean on Jul 6, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

wat

Helloween are the Iron Maiden ripoff I never knew existed. They’re awesome.

by Grant Brisbee on Jul 6, 2010 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sodom is illegal in some states

Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard

by SoFa King Mike on Jul 6, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought he was captured back in 03

My Son. Dude hits inside the parkers and takes walks.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
I am a Bochy hater and a Sabean apologist.

by GiantPain on Jul 6, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I believe Governor Moonbean legalized the buttsects during his term.

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 6, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Moonbeam!

Moonbean was someone else entirely!

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 6, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

does the state look down on it?

Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me.

McCoven: We're all happy to be wrong.

by atxgiantsfan on Jul 6, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you chose not to decide, you still have made a choice!

In awe of his adopted dad: equipment manager Mike Murphy, who has been with the club since their move to San Francisco in 1958!
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean

by ringleader3 on Jul 6, 2010 2:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Molson Amphitheatre, July 13 8:00PM

You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill;

I know the difference between wrong and right
Don't make no difference in the middle of the night.
- Robert Cray, "Consequences"

by Snakepitbanitsagasbabycanyoudigit on Jul 6, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lineup!

RF Torres
2B Sanchez
C Posey
LF Burrell
3B Sandoval
SS Renteria
CF Rowand
1B Ishikawa
P Bumgarner

I ain't havin' it

by NuschlerFace on Jul 6, 2010 2:02 PM PDT reply actions  

I guess Huff is getting his day off

DICKWAD!

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 6, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Posey? Posey!

Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me.

McCoven: We're all happy to be wrong.

by atxgiantsfan on Jul 6, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

.

Beware of the Loose Lou Seal

Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard

by SoFa King Mike on Jul 6, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ishi against lefty’s, hmmm

His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?

by PiKAgiant on Jul 6, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Against Lefties….

3B Sandoval
SS Renteria
CF Rowand
1B Ishikawa

The new (self) murderer’s row!

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry

by jctGamer on Jul 6, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

When Bork was a teen, he was a cutter.

Fathaigh go mbuaimid!

I AM PAT BURRELLZ'Z DADDY! (wait, that doesn't sound right)

by bigboneded on Jul 6, 2010 2:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

LOL NATE

They could be Giants...but not really.

by esseffgeez on Jul 6, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well

At least Rowand isn’t leading off.

by marcello on Jul 6, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uribe has regressed pretty fuckin' hard

Way down to a .763 OPS from his high-.800 peak.

That said, Renteria sucks and Rowand should not be starting over Nate, period.

My Son. Dude hits inside the parkers and takes walks.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
I am a Bochy hater and a Sabean apologist.

by GiantPain on Jul 6, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Update from Baggs soon
I’ll check on Juan Uribe. He had a swollen ring finger last night and has been pretty banged up while falling into an abysmal slump.

They could be Giants...but not really.

by esseffgeez on Jul 6, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rub some dirt on it

Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard

by SoFa King Mike on Jul 6, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

i told my 3-year-old daughter that one time… She almost did. I felt a little badly about that.

I'm thinking but nothing's happening.

by JRPhillips on Jul 6, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

/smiles and nods
/slowly and discreetly dials children services

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

by rotorueter on Jul 6, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not a good soldier.

Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.

by Cody_ransom on Jul 6, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

extrabaggs
Juan Uribe can’t play b/c of swollen left ring finger. Tomorrow? “I don’t know.” Says it’s affected swing in slump, but no excuses.

They could be Giants...but not really.

by esseffgeez on Jul 6, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uribe really, really needs some time off.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on Jul 6, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

As in, more than one day.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on Jul 6, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree although it’s unfortunate that Renteria is the backup option.

They could be Giants...but not really.

by esseffgeez on Jul 6, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Posey!

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on Jul 6, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL RBI’S ON THE PINE

I would like to talk to you about my pokemonz

by CB30 on Jul 6, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is getting so old. Why Rowand and why Rent and why Ishi against a LHP?

Adopted Nut: Paraparaumu, New Zealand native, Andy Skeels

by capn on Jul 6, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s good to give guys days off.

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

by rotorueter on Jul 6, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can the manager take a day off? He looks tired too.

Adopted Nut: Paraparaumu, New Zealand native, Andy Skeels

by capn on Jul 6, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Only a day? Take a year!

They could be Giants...but not really.

by esseffgeez on Jul 6, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Has Franchez had a day off in the last 2 weeks? I feel like he needs one too.

They could be Giants...but not really.

by esseffgeez on Jul 6, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

He had the first 6 weeks off.

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 6, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

And look how well that turned out!

They could be Giants...but not really.

by esseffgeez on Jul 6, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bochy is fucking nuts

I like my beer cold ... my TV loud ... and my romosexuals flaming.--Homer Simpson

by nogooddeed on Jul 6, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

So what’s with the insistence that Rowand must play center field? Is he really a better center fielder than Torres? Or is he really such a better center fielder than corner outfielder that it makes sense to put Torres in a corner instead?

I'm thinking but nothing's happening.

by JRPhillips on Jul 6, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rowand has played nearly 8,000 more major league innings in center field than Torres. You really can’t sacrifice that kind of major league experience.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on Jul 6, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

or CAN you?!?

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.

by delorean on Jul 6, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

so, you're saying:

put Ty Cobb’s corpse out there?

"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket

"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me

"You can shake a dozen glove men out of a tree, but the bat separates the men from the boys." - Washington Senators First baseman Dale Long

Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.

by DrStankus on Jul 6, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good point

AND Rowand has run face-first into more walls than Torres, so he’s got that going for him.

I'm thinking but nothing's happening.

by JRPhillips on Jul 6, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

which is nice.

Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me.

McCoven: We're all happy to be wrong.

by atxgiantsfan on Jul 6, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

Adopted Nut: Paraparaumu, New Zealand native, Andy Skeels

by capn on Jul 6, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOLINEUP.

Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.

by Cody_ransom on Jul 6, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I chose the last option even though it is a copout answer

The Giants are not a good baseball team. They should be selling players right now.

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 6, 2010 2:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, this was me too.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on Jul 6, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Abstained

Trick Question

"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn

by 49er16 on Jul 6, 2010 2:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Like we need a comment starter

Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry

by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 6, 2010 2:04 PM PDT reply actions  

like, i agree

His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?

by PiKAgiant on Jul 6, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tigers need relievers . If we are far back, we have Affeldt who is still worth something. Maybe even Runzler.

Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry

by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 6, 2010 2:06 PM PDT reply actions  

NO U

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Jul 6, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, they’re just children. You’ll get over it.

Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry

by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 6, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, you can always have more.

Crazy Crab despised in the 20th century and beloved in the 21st century. Hey it only took over 20 years, so don't give up hope.

by timmeh on Jul 6, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

My dad always admired the Roman tradition of retroactive abortion.

Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller

by Johnny Disaster on Jul 6, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Flying Spaghetti Monster asked Abe to do this

And at the last minute was all, “LOL! PSYCH!”

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 6, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

To be fair, he did have me for a son.

Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller

by Johnny Disaster on Jul 6, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sell the bullpen

His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?

by PiKAgiant on Jul 6, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the Giants should go for it even if things look rather dire. I still doubt the Padres, and the rest of the teams in the NL West are flawed. Roll the dice and hope for the best. If you have a chance to get into the postseason lottery, then you go for it.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Jul 6, 2010 2:09 PM PDT reply actions  

I still doubt the Padres, and the rest of the teams in the NL West are flawed.

I’d believe this more if the Giants could actually beat any of the teams in their division.

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 6, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know I’m a filthy optimist, but I do think that they’ll take series as the season goes on.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Jul 6, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d feel better about the odds if they didn’t have to leapfrog three teams. If they only had to leapfrog one or two, I’d feel a little more comfortable.

And the Rockies, Dodgers, and Padres all keep beating the Giants. Like Lars said.

I'm thinking but nothing's happening.

by JRPhillips on Jul 6, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d feel better about our odds if I felt we were a team that could get hot and go on a 12-game winning streak.

As it is, 5 is the most games we’ve won in a row in the last few seasons. We just don’t have the type of offense that can sustain that kind of streak.

They could be Giants...but not really.

by esseffgeez on Jul 6, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Doesn't need to be a prolonged winning streak

I think a 10-2 hot streak would thrust us right back into the thick of things.

I’m in favor of vigorous thrusting and I don’t care which teams we hurt in doing so.

Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!

by Goofus on Jul 6, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

You make a forceful argument!

They could be Giants...but not really.

by esseffgeez on Jul 6, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

In the end, that's all that matters

Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!

by Goofus on Jul 6, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

5 or 6 probably

Since 5 or 6 back in the division means 3 or 4 back in the wild card.

Really, I’m interested in setting the team up for a run in 2011, so I’d want them to trade for someone under control for that season as well. Any side benefits in 2010 is nice.

My Son. Dude hits inside the parkers and takes walks.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
I am a Bochy hater and a Sabean apologist.

by GiantPain on Jul 6, 2010 2:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Basically not a rent a player… who in the minors would be ready to actually come up and produce? i mean, i dont even know if Belt would be awesome at this point. They could sure use an OF or a 1B

His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?

by PiKAgiant on Jul 6, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

If selling involves getting rid of Rowand, sign me up. If buying involves getting rid of Rowand, sign me up.

Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me.

McCoven: We're all happy to be wrong.

by atxgiantsfan on Jul 6, 2010 2:12 PM PDT reply actions  

IAITL

I like my beer cold ... my TV loud ... and my romosexuals flaming.--Homer Simpson

by nogooddeed on Jul 6, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't blame me, I voted for Nader.

/smokes more weed

Fathaigh go mbuaimid!

I AM PAT BURRELLZ'Z DADDY! (wait, that doesn't sound right)

by bigboneded on Jul 6, 2010 2:13 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Nader voters are exactly the ones who are to blame.

Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller

by Johnny Disaster on Jul 6, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

Adopted Nut: Paraparaumu, New Zealand native, Andy Skeels

by capn on Jul 6, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

The hilarious conceit of Gore supporters

Is to believe that the people who voted for Nader would have ever voted for Al.

My Son. Dude hits inside the parkers and takes walks.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
I am a Bochy hater and a Sabean apologist.

by GiantPain on Jul 6, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

dude couldn't win his home state

blaming Nader/Nader voters is silly

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.

by delorean on Jul 6, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 6, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

We can still talk shit about Nader for basing his candidacy on a lie: that it doesn’t matter who the President is if he/she comes from a major party.

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

by rotorueter on Jul 6, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

well, we do have the benefit of hindsight here. even the doomiest and gloomiest of far-lefters (e.g., me) would never have imagined Bush43 would have done as much damage as he did in 8 years.

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.

by delorean on Jul 6, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, but people were listening to soundbites instead of studying their platforms, which were actually fairly different——especially with regards to fiscal policy. Remember the “lock box” that SNL made fun of?

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

by rotorueter on Jul 6, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

i hear you and agree with you

however, it’s not as simple as that. you’ve essentially created a soundbite yourself to neatly wrap up third-party voters. A lot of people are flat-ass disgusted with the two-party system. I’m one of them.

However, there are the practical bits (like SCOTUS appointments) and the actual differences in policy (which aren’t nearly as stark as I’d like them to be).

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.

by delorean on Jul 6, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I see what you mean.

Maybe a fairer set of statements would be something like this:

Voting for Nader because you believe Gore=Bush is oversimplistic, however, voting for Nader because you really are substantially more liberal than Gore makes sense logically. I just think that the folks in the first group tipped the balance.

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

by rotorueter on Jul 6, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

that may be

i think it’s often the case with 3rd-party folks — it’s a knee-jerk fuck you to the GOP/Dems, altho i think this happens more often with the libertarian candidates.

I mean, Ross Perot was certifiably fucking insane, and the guy got 20 MILLION votes in 1992.

lol usa!

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.

by delorean on Jul 6, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

only if

that Citizens of Hobbiton would have voted, he would have been crowned as thy king!

by ZoomPauly on Jul 6, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

If I hadn't been 3 at the time

Perot would have gotten my vote. Deficits are no joke!

My Son. Dude hits inside the parkers and takes walks.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
I am a Bochy hater and a Sabean apologist.

by GiantPain on Jul 6, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I vaguely remember

he was very enthusiastic for sure, but kinda in a gnarly way that Ultimate Warrior used to talk to himself.
is it wrong to compare wrestling with politik?

by ZoomPauly on Jul 6, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

well

wrestling is less fixed, so, yeah. unfair to the integrity of wrestling.

"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket

"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me

"You can shake a dozen glove men out of a tree, but the bat separates the men from the boys." - Washington Senators First baseman Dale Long

Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.

by DrStankus on Jul 6, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

lol, rec'd

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.

by delorean on Jul 6, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

In that way, he was very successful, least during the 90’s. Usually successful third-party candidates bring light to a certain issue, which the people who were actually elected address.

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

by rotorueter on Jul 6, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Considering a bipartisan government balanced the budget, I’d say that the deficits going away (temporarily) was inevitable.

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

by rotorueter on Jul 6, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, but people were listening to soundbites instead of studying their platforms

If not for that, there would be no such thing as “politics”

Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG

by Useful_Idiot on Jul 6, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good point, as well. Its kinda unfair to single out one group for doing that—-we’re all guilty of that sometimes.

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

by rotorueter on Jul 6, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

No but I think there was a certain cavalierness of attitude – even laziness. This was going to be an historically close election and making a statement by staying home or voting for a candidate who could not win we a direct vote for Bush. Anyone who did not expect him to be what he was was not paying any attention.

Adopted Nut: Paraparaumu, New Zealand native, Andy Skeels

by capn on Jul 6, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

The best way to go is usually to look for the lesser of two evils

Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG

by Useful_Idiot on Jul 6, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

exactly- one of the two douchebags is GOING to be president. Which one do I like less?

Adopted Nut: Paraparaumu, New Zealand native, Andy Skeels

by capn on Jul 6, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

and not everyone chooses to or even can see it that way.

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.

by delorean on Jul 6, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't like feeling morally complicit.

My Son. Dude hits inside the parkers and takes walks.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
I am a Bochy hater and a Sabean apologist.

by GiantPain on Jul 6, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

but that's just it...

you were complicit if you did not vote (or voted for Nader).

Adopted Nut: Paraparaumu, New Zealand native, Andy Skeels

by capn on Jul 6, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

No I'm not

The people who voted for that guy are complicit.

My Son. Dude hits inside the parkers and takes walks.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
I am a Bochy hater and a Sabean apologist.

by GiantPain on Jul 6, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree. When it s all over, the guy with the most votes (in each state) wins. If you were a would-be Gore voter and you voted for Nader or did not vote, you contributed to Bush winning.

Adopted Nut: Paraparaumu, New Zealand native, Andy Skeels

by capn on Jul 6, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

What if I wasn't a would-be Gore voter?

My Son. Dude hits inside the parkers and takes walks.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
I am a Bochy hater and a Sabean apologist.

by GiantPain on Jul 6, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe I should have phrased it as, if you preferred Gore over Bush. I just get frustrated when people do not recognize that this is a binary decision.

Adopted Nut: Paraparaumu, New Zealand native, Andy Skeels

by capn on Jul 6, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I no longer vote

I don’t believe that this system, as currently constituted is a legitimate way of picking our government.

By not voting, I am no longer sanctioning the results of the system.

In any event, hopefully we move through our strong arm dictatorship phase quickly and on to early monarchy.

"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket

"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me

"You can shake a dozen glove men out of a tree, but the bat separates the men from the boys." - Washington Senators First baseman Dale Long

Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.

by DrStankus on Jul 6, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

You are much entitled to your view, but you must also know that you are voting by not voting.

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by capn on Jul 6, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

given that from my POV there are no fundamental differences between the parties, it hardly matters who wins.

"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket

"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me

"You can shake a dozen glove men out of a tree, but the bat separates the men from the boys." - Washington Senators First baseman Dale Long

Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.

by DrStankus on Jul 6, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

do you really believe that?

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by capn on Jul 6, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

absolutely

the differences between the two are, in the scheme of things that really really matter, identical.

Not that there aren’t wedge issues that are used to stir up support for one thing or another, but they are not the really important things, like monetary policy or war.

"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket

"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me

"You can shake a dozen glove men out of a tree, but the bat separates the men from the boys." - Washington Senators First baseman Dale Long

Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.

by DrStankus on Jul 6, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

So you think the Al Gore would have invaded Iraq after 9/11?

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by capn on Jul 6, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

maybe

Gore’s family has oil interests in South America, so maybe we would have gone there. :-)

"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket

"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me

"You can shake a dozen glove men out of a tree, but the bat separates the men from the boys." - Washington Senators First baseman Dale Long

Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.

by DrStankus on Jul 6, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

umm ok...

But what about the court? Are you happy with a court of
comprised of people like

-Scalia
-Thomas
-Roberts
-Alito

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by capn on Jul 6, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

eh

I’m ok with them, especially given there are others on the court.

O’ Connor is the one I miss.

"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket

"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me

"You can shake a dozen glove men out of a tree, but the bat separates the men from the boys." - Washington Senators First baseman Dale Long

Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.

by DrStankus on Jul 6, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

So there is no difference between Elena Kagan and Sam Alito, or you just don’t care? Because these guys are young and will be on SCOTUS for a long time. And the decisions they make will last even longer.

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by capn on Jul 6, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kagan may be butch, but I’m pretty sure she’s not a guy

levity!

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.

by delorean on Jul 6, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Supreme Court has been perverted

By both sides and this concern about the differences in the justices politics is largely responsible.

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 6, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Perverted from the beginning, or is this a “good ole’ days” sorta argument?

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

by rotorueter on Jul 6, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

perverted as in ‘you don’t want to get a look under Ginsburg’s robe’

unless you are into that sort of thing.

"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket

"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me

"You can shake a dozen glove men out of a tree, but the bat separates the men from the boys." - Washington Senators First baseman Dale Long

Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.

by DrStankus on Jul 6, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree, but the fact remains that with as stark as the differences are, the stakes are very high

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by capn on Jul 6, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

i hope Scalia, Thomas, and Alito die in a fire

and Roberts dies trying to save them

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.

by delorean on Jul 6, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

ok, that was uncalled for.

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.

by delorean on Jul 6, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is going to get you waterboarded. It was nice knowing you.

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

by rotorueter on Jul 6, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Some of them are big baseball fans. Wonder if they are regulars here?

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by capn on Jul 6, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Scalia

big Phillies fan. reason enough to root against them right there.

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.

by delorean on Jul 6, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I knew I had seen this

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by capn on Jul 6, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

but honest!

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by capn on Jul 6, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

are they?

how often does a truly momenteous decision get handed down? Once in a generation?

"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket

"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me

"You can shake a dozen glove men out of a tree, but the bat separates the men from the boys." - Washington Senators First baseman Dale Long

Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.

by DrStankus on Jul 6, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

well that is opinion

but i would say that with the proclivity of this court to overturn precedent, that there are several significant decisions a term

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by capn on Jul 6, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

So your ideal court would contain

nothing but liberals? I mean, lets not turn them into a rubber stamp, ok?

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 6, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

no but it is an undisputed fact that the court has moved hard to the right in the past 20 years- more so than ever before

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by capn on Jul 6, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

Or undisputed!

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 6, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

maybe the “more so than ever” part is disputed, but there are plenty of metrics that measure the ideoogical history of the court and almost all show a hard right turn since the ’80s. Look at this one.

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by capn on Jul 6, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here is what I know

Clinton/Obama = 4 seats
lil Bush = 2 seats

Let’s not make this more than it is.

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 6, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

But that is pretty simplistic. Remember, Stevens was appointed by Ford and Breyer by Bush I. It is true that there is not likely to be another such stealth candidate for a long time, but the 4 hard conservatives on the court today are as conservative a bloc as we have had in a long long time. And with the exception of Scalia, they will be here for a while…

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by capn on Jul 6, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

My point is that it is trending in the right direction

And the fact that appointees have to pass some litmus test of [insert your ideology here] before they can be appointed is stupid and underlines all that is wrong with our government.

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 6, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

agreed

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by capn on Jul 6, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

i would say that with the proclivity of this court to overturn precedent

Also, I think this is an huge exaggeration.

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 6, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

More for Gore or the son of a drug lord?
None of the above. Fuck it! Cut the cord.

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 6, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I do know

that we were going to go to war in Afghanistan. That was pretty well set up in the mid 90s when we were looking for a pipeline path. That would have happened 9/11 or no.

"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket

"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me

"You can shake a dozen glove men out of a tree, but the bat separates the men from the boys." - Washington Senators First baseman Dale Long

Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.

by DrStankus on Jul 6, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

no argument there, but Iraq?

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by capn on Jul 6, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

with 'the Iraq'

who knows. Clinton saw fit to bomb them from time to time. At the least, that would have continued.

"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket

"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me

"You can shake a dozen glove men out of a tree, but the bat separates the men from the boys." - Washington Senators First baseman Dale Long

Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.

by DrStankus on Jul 6, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure but running a few drones out from time to time would not have cost $732,070,224,447, over 4500 american lives, and at least 150,000 iraqi lives

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by capn on Jul 6, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh sure sure

but again, with the information I had at the time it was:

Option 1: Go with the guy who says he is against nation building
Option 2: Go with the guy who is part of an administration who is engaging in war I don’t like.
Option J: Whip it out.

Hindsight is, as they say, 20/20.

"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket

"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me

"You can shake a dozen glove men out of a tree, but the bat separates the men from the boys." - Washington Senators First baseman Dale Long

Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.

by DrStankus on Jul 6, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

here here. my only quibble is that there is really no option J. Elections are binary.

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by capn on Jul 6, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

sorry

old Primer meme. It’s reflexive

"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket

"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me

"You can shake a dozen glove men out of a tree, but the bat separates the men from the boys." - Washington Senators First baseman Dale Long

Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.

by DrStankus on Jul 6, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll take this over "What iPhone do you have, dude?" every time.

I know the difference between wrong and right
Don't make no difference in the middle of the night.
- Robert Cray, "Consequences"

by Snakepitbanitsagasbabycanyoudigit on Jul 6, 2010 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Witnessing the 08 election from a college student’s POV convinced me that this is pretty much the truth

Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG

by Useful_Idiot on Jul 6, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

We are fucked

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by capn on Jul 6, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nah. Vote for whoever you want. Just do it for the right reasons.

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

by rotorueter on Jul 6, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

as long as you know understand that your vote counts even if you do not vote or if you vote for someone who can’t win.

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by capn on Jul 6, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

unless you were living and voting in FL, AR, OH, or another swing state, it didn’t make a whit of difference. I could’ve voted for AJ Pierzynski here in CA and Gore woulda still carried it

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.

by delorean on Jul 6, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

sure- the implication was that we were talking about relevant voters. in CA, you could indeed have voted for Crusty the Clown.

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by capn on Jul 6, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

You choose him, out of all the people you could have gone with?

by Cheeeese! on Jul 6, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

it was him or Jose Cruz Jr

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.

by delorean on Jul 6, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

/raises fists to the sky
/curses the heavens

by Cheeeese! on Jul 6, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually, literally unless you are the deciding vote, your vote doesn’t make a difference. Hurrah economics!

by speckops on Jul 6, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really?

IMO the most lasting and damaging aspect of his legacy is what he did to the court. He was pretty straight about saying over and over again that his ideal Supreme Court Justices were Thomas and Scalia.

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by capn on Jul 6, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, I was mostly just fucking around – the ’don’t blame me, I voted for Nader’ trope annoys me. I didn’t expect it to blow up like this…
I mean, I was happy enough to have at least a token third viewpoint in the election, but at the same time I have trouble taking Ralph Nader seriously as a Presidential candidate. Maybe if he had ever won an election at any level of government I might feel differently…
With regards to hindsight, I had this argument with my brother pre-election and while I couldn’t name the precise excuse, I predicted a high body count in the event of a Bush Presidency. I wasn’t even that high on Gore, I just thought of the Bush clan as the fucking Yacht club mafia and felt they needed to be kept away from the reigns of power.
While I generally want third party candidates to garner as high a percentage of the vote as possible, in that particular Presidential election I considered a Nader vote in a swing state to be irresponsible.

Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller

by Johnny Disaster on Jul 6, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

it's blown up

but I have to say it’s been perfectly civil.

Feels weird, calming discussing differences without name calling.

"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket

"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me

"You can shake a dozen glove men out of a tree, but the bat separates the men from the boys." - Washington Senators First baseman Dale Long

Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.

by DrStankus on Jul 6, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

makes me feel warm

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by capn on Jul 6, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

well

that was just the kinky Ginsburg talk

"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket

"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me

"You can shake a dozen glove men out of a tree, but the bat separates the men from the boys." - Washington Senators First baseman Dale Long

Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.

by DrStankus on Jul 6, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

UR STUPID

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

by rotorueter on Jul 6, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s not conceited at all.

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by capn on Jul 6, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t see why that’s hard to believe. Tons of Nader voters voted for a pro-war Obama.

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

by rotorueter on Jul 6, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

8 years later, sure

But not in 2000.

My Son. Dude hits inside the parkers and takes walks.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
I am a Bochy hater and a Sabean apologist.

by GiantPain on Jul 6, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

My perceptions have been challenged.

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

by rotorueter on Jul 6, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Quick Fix. We need a quick fix

by Mrbasepaul on Jul 6, 2010 2:21 PM PDT reply actions  

We should try to trade our bad, expensive, old players for good, cheap, young players.

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

by rotorueter on Jul 6, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes Plz

His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?

by PiKAgiant on Jul 6, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Giants should get a guy like Mccutchen for a guy like Rowand

His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?

by PiKAgiant on Jul 6, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

wouldn’t be cheap

in soviet russia, run scores you!....and giants still have terrible offense

Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"

by slackersphere17 on Jul 6, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

McCutchen for Torres

His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?

by PiKAgiant on Jul 6, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

that still leaves Rownads doing that thing he does

in soviet russia, run scores you!....and giants still have terrible offense

Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"

by slackersphere17 on Jul 6, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rowand and Torres for McCutchen

His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?

by PiKAgiant on Jul 6, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I could get behind that

Is Schierholtz good enough to be an everyday starter though?

in soviet russia, run scores you!....and giants still have terrible offense

Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"

by slackersphere17 on Jul 6, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

nah, he doesn’t have enough playing time to be good

by shallow23 on Jul 6, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

This might be the first time that Pika has effectively chasmed someone.

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

by rotorueter on Jul 6, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dammit!!

in soviet russia, run scores you!....and giants still have terrible offense

Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"

by slackersphere17 on Jul 6, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

O'Needers!

Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?

by tobias on Jul 6, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

the guy on the far right looks like Steve Zahn

in soviet russia, run scores you!....and giants still have terrible offense

Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"

by slackersphere17 on Jul 6, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

i meant their right....

in soviet russia, run scores you!....and giants still have terrible offense

Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"

by slackersphere17 on Jul 6, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

and you’re a giant

in soviet russia, run scores you!....and giants still have terrible offense

Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"

by slackersphere17 on Jul 6, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

how do you know what I look like? This are the internet

by aaroncallagher on Jul 6, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am the internet Mr. Callagher

in soviet russia, run scores you!....and giants still have terrible offense

Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"

by slackersphere17 on Jul 6, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

the guy standing just out of frame looks like Ton Hamks

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.

by delorean on Jul 6, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

errr

Hanks

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.

by delorean on Jul 6, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Otm Shank?

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

by rotorueter on Jul 6, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mat Honks?

They could be Giants...but not really.

by esseffgeez on Jul 6, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mat Laterz

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.

by delorean on Jul 6, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mayor Tommy Shanks

I’m doing pretty good, myself.

Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?

by tobias on Jul 6, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Matt Cain on the left!

by DrDC on Jul 6, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

The tall gai in middle

Face reminds me of Jamey Wright. Trouble is, I don’t really want to be reminded of Jamey Wright.

Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?

by tobias on Jul 6, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have seen Jamey Wright pitch twice lately.

by kdl on Jul 6, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

That looks like that band from that Tom Hanks movie.

The Giants don’t fare well against pitchers.

by SF Pete on Jul 6, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Oneders?

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on Jul 6, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Needs moar Liv Tyler.

They could be Giants...but not really.

by esseffgeez on Jul 6, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or, as is the case in all of her movies, less.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on Jul 6, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol!

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.

by delorean on Jul 6, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Addition by subtraction?

They could be Giants...but not really.

by esseffgeez on Jul 6, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pretty much the definition of.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on Jul 6, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

like Bengie

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by capn on Jul 6, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

meh

Alicia Silverstone’d

by ZoomPauly on Jul 6, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I go crazy – crazy, baby! I go crazy! You turn it on, then you’re gone!

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on Jul 6, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Go on.

My Son. Dude hits inside the parkers and takes walks.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
I am a Bochy hater and a Sabean apologist.

by GiantPain on Jul 6, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

So J Sanchez for Vernon Wells?

Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!

by say hey nation on Jul 6, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's what I'm hearing here

My Son. Dude hits inside the parkers and takes walks.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
I am a Bochy hater and a Sabean apologist.

by GiantPain on Jul 6, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is that bad?

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by capn on Jul 6, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rowand Renteria and Zito for Votto Stubbs and Leake. Get on that Sabes!!!!

Fathaigh go mbuaimid!

I AM PAT BURRELLZ'Z DADDY! (wait, that doesn't sound right)

by bigboneded on Jul 6, 2010 2:34 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I would love to leave Milwaukee with either Fielder or Hart

Provided the cost isn’t too high.

My Son. Dude hits inside the parkers and takes walks.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
I am a Bochy hater and a Sabean apologist.

by GiantPain on Jul 6, 2010 2:30 PM PDT reply actions  

lol you

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.

by delorean on Jul 6, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Belt>Fielder? :)

His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?

by PiKAgiant on Jul 6, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Perhaps eventually.

But certainly not for the year and a half left on Prince’s contract.

My Son. Dude hits inside the parkers and takes walks.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
I am a Bochy hater and a Sabean apologist.

by GiantPain on Jul 6, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

In terms of blubber, no.

FREE BUSTER POSEY

by djp4cal on Jul 6, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

i'd rather have Belt than fielder

His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?

by PiKAgiant on Jul 6, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

i actually want hart way more than fielder

in soviet russia, run scores you!....and giants still have terrible offense

Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"

by slackersphere17 on Jul 6, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope Sabean is open to the idea of trading Sanchez

Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG

by Useful_Idiot on Jul 6, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I mean, Fielder is better

But Hart can be had for less and is a good player in his own right.

My Son. Dude hits inside the parkers and takes walks.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
I am a Bochy hater and a Sabean apologist.

by GiantPain on Jul 6, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd prefer that it were the Giants instead of you

Because, where would you be taking them?

Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?

by tobias on Jul 6, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fastest way to get to San Jose from SFO?

My friend is traveling and needs to get from SFO to San Jose?

From what I’ve figured, the easiest way is to take a BART to an amtrak station (oakland?) and then take the amtrak station to SJ? Can anyone confirm?

by kingofthacove on Jul 6, 2010 2:35 PM PDT reply actions  

sorry for the extra ‘?’

by kingofthacove on Jul 6, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think bart one stop to caltrain, but i haven’t done it

by aug_21_2003 on Jul 6, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

this

Get on BART to Milbrae, then take Caltrain to San Jose.

Your friend should check if Milbrae service is available. Availability is kind of wonky during commute hours.

Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard

by SoFa King Mike on Jul 6, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

The CalTrain stop in San Jose is at Diridon, which is the central hub for all public transportation in San Jose. And it’s in somewhat walking distance from all the major hotels in downtown San Jose (I mean, it’s a somewhat far walk if you have a lot of luggage, but it can be done).

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by mymclife on Jul 6, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

It depends

on when you’re arriving. Before 7 p.m. Mon-Fri, you have to take BART to San Bruno first, transfer there to a Millbrae-bound train, and change to Caltrain at Millbrae. That will take you to San Jose. After 7 p.m. during the week and all day on weekends, there are direct BART trains from the airport to Millbrae.

Twenty-seven years of waiting has come to an end.

by trapper on Jul 6, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL Amtrak is the fastest! I’d imagine crossing the bay to Oakland would not be the fastest

Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!

by say hey nation on Jul 6, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

that’s the only amtrak station i knew of. I probably should have checked… I’m from LA so I have no idea wtf I’m talking about :)

by kingofthacove on Jul 6, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t either, but Amtrak and Fastest are not two words that go together. I would imagine driving would be quick, or as aug said, take CalTrains.

Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!

by say hey nation on Jul 6, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also look at SFO website, most airports have links to local transports.

Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!

by say hey nation on Jul 6, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

South and East Bay Shuttle. It’s a good compromise between a taxi and public transportation.

They could be Giants...but not really.

by esseffgeez on Jul 6, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

You might even meet Carl Weathers!

Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis.

by j14 on Jul 6, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Make sure you have some Burger King in you posession.

Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard

by SoFa King Mike on Jul 6, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

baby, you got a stew goin’!

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.

by delorean on Jul 6, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do you like ham?

Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard

by SoFa King Mike on Jul 6, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s a wonderful restaurant!

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

by rotorueter on Jul 6, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes it is…

Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard

by SoFa King Mike on Jul 6, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Riding Shotgun with Bowker

Here's to the Dodgers and their bucket of suck.

by Woody Wins on Jul 6, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Bravo. (click Up if you dont get it)

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by bgunn on Jul 6, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Caltrain, especially if one can take the express train.

by out machine on Jul 6, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

You know you are part of the McCoven when:

Your vote in every poll is in the majority. (Well, almost every poll.)

Back on the market.

by positiveuphemism on Jul 6, 2010 2:55 PM PDT reply actions  

GROUGTHINK

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.

by delorean on Jul 6, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

FOR THE SWARM!

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 6, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

BUT THERE IS NO MAJORITY HERE TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS ARE TIED AT 32%

GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.

by groug on Jul 6, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

there's an OT thread for this

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.

by delorean on Jul 6, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

joke!

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.

by delorean on Jul 6, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol. I think he’s hating on the proposal for the ot stuff to go in separate threads.

by aaroncallagher on Jul 6, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have a problem making a trade unless we’re one or two back because we don’t really have gaping holes anywhere like we did last year. CF Torres 2B Sanchez 3B Sandoval 1B Huff C Posey SS Uribe LF Burrell RF Schierholtz P ______ isn’t a bad lineup, and while we could upgrade the outfield and the rotation, I’m not sure if a DeJesus trade means hanging on to our top prospects. IMO, that’d be a marginal upgrade over Schierholtz (better bat, same defense, Nate may even have the edge on D), and I don’t want to relinquish a top-10 guy for an extra win unless that extra win is going to put us over the top. Same goes for the rotation; Martinez should really be the 5th starter, and he’s just fine in that role. Unless we can acquire a controllable budding star that fits one of OF, SP, SS, I don’t see a trade working out in either the short-term (likely difficult to make a significant upgrade) or the long-term (trade young players for old players, and look how well that’s worked out so far).

Goodbye, Steven Johnson, we hardly knew ye. Seriously, that was short.

by quincy0191 on Jul 6, 2010 3:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Abstained.

"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!

by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 6, 2010 3:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Blue balls!

Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!

by Goofus on Jul 6, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t get it

Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard

by SoFa King Mike on Jul 6, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.

by delorean on Jul 6, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

classic

Whatever Sabean thinks about the IQ of the average baseball fan, you just proved him right.

by cybermaldonado on Jul 6, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

While we're at it...

My favorite manager is Bruce Bochy

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by capn on Jul 6, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Too obvious

God calls BS on that one

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Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG

by Useful_Idiot on Jul 6, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

But would Sabean even pick up the phone?
God calls BS on that one

Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!

by Goofus on Jul 6, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

TWSS

Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!

by Goofus on Jul 6, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

This poll is invalid because I don't trust the Giants managment to make a good trade, so I'm abstaining

Chose this without a doubt, can’t have borkian and sabean think “its time to get the big bat to push us over the hump!” and go out and trade thomas neal for jose guillen and yuneski betancourt.

"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."

by sfgiants420 on Jul 6, 2010 3:30 PM PDT reply actions  

LOL, AS IF!!!

We’d get one or the other… Not both! At least not without throwing in Crawford too.

I'm thinking but nothing's happening.

by JRPhillips on Jul 6, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does it really matter

Seriously, would the Giants record be much better/worse with a lineup of Bowker, Torres, Schierholz, Posey, Ishikawa, Frandzen, Downs and Sandoval than they are now.

What they definitely would have is money to spend on a difference maker.

by CalifOrange on Jul 6, 2010 3:59 PM PDT reply actions  

I Said Within 3 Or 4 Games

But this should be in reference to the playoffs thru either the division title or wildcard not just the division title. How we make the playoffs should not matter.

by giantsrainman on Jul 6, 2010 4:00 PM PDT reply actions  

I was thinking this same thing

Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!

by Goofus on Jul 6, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I chose 1-2 games out

because this team is simply not good enough to make up 3-4 games especially if there is a third team involved (which I would suspect at this point). Any player that would make them good enough to make up 3-4 games would cost too much for them without depleting the current roster.

I recognize this is a bit pessimistic, but I’ve seen too many half-way efforts at improving the team in July when it is down by 3-4 games. They never make up the difference it seems.

Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.

by Cody_ransom on Jul 6, 2010 4:01 PM PDT reply actions  

I chose not to vote

since I am a monarchist.

:-)

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by DrStankus on Jul 6, 2010 4:03 PM PDT reply actions  

hankschulman
As my friend Buster Olney would say, Heard this: The Brewer the Giants are focusing on in a possible trade is outfielder Corey Hart.

They could be Giants...but not really.

by esseffgeez on Jul 6, 2010 4:09 PM PDT reply actions  

.288/.350/.573

/sniffing

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by capn on Jul 6, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

+19 dingerz!

They could be Giants...but not really.

by esseffgeez on Jul 6, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Jersey Shore is decent

He’s an All-Star

in soviet russia, run scores you!....and giants still have terrible offense

Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"

by slackersphere17 on Jul 6, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

buy high!

The Giants don’t fare well against pitchers.

by SF Pete on Jul 6, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wear my sunglasses at night

"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket

"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me

"You can shake a dozen glove men out of a tree, but the bat separates the men from the boys." - Washington Senators First baseman Dale Long

Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.

by DrStankus on Jul 6, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

ZZZZZZ. Does he make a difference on this team? He would not put up the same numbers outside of Miller Park.

by out machine on Jul 6, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I voted "Invalid"

Except, I would definitely like to see the Giants move Renteria and Rowand, too, if possible. I doubt they’d have takers for Rowand, unless the Giants were to pay the bulk of his remaining salary.

But I would think there just might be a sucker GM or two who could be lured by Rent’s still shiny-shiny batting average, his post-season magic, and his money-down-the-stretch-iness. If the Giants were able to get the kind of value they did for Bengie, I’d think Rent could have even greater trade value.

Also, ever since Rent came off the DL, the Giants have basically had two (would-be) starting shortstops. Trading Rent would help solve that problem. Trade Rent. Bring in a good defensive SS to back up Uribe, and I think the Giants would be better off.

Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?

by tobias on Jul 6, 2010 4:09 PM PDT reply actions  

even with Uribe banged up? not that rent is every healthy, but if we bring in (or up) a SS, it should be someone who is worth starting

by aug_21_2003 on Jul 6, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hadn't heard that Uribe is injured

Rent, though, is always battling dings and nicks due to (I suspect) his lack of conditioning. I just think Uribe and Rent are too similar. Both are oldish, not very good defensively, primarily there for their bats. In that regard, I think Uribe is the better of the two. And Uribe also plays multiple infield positions. I think Renteria is not needed in any way.

I agree, though, that the backup to Uribe needs to be able to play and start fairly frequently. And as I said, he needs to be a plus defensively.

Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?

by tobias on Jul 6, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

What would it take to get DeJesus?

I think that would be a good upgrade, with Huff moving back to first base. I like giving Ishikawa more at-bats through spot starts, but Huff should really be the starting 1B. Would Bowker and a lower level prospect be enough to get DeJesus?

by ErodCal on Jul 6, 2010 4:15 PM PDT reply actions  

I would greatly prefer him to Hart.

I ain't havin' it

by NuschlerFace on Jul 6, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I voted "invalid"

Because I think that’s what the Giants will trade for; an invalid

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by Goofus on Jul 6, 2010 4:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Veteran and Savvy.

Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.

by Cody_ransom on Jul 6, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Zing!

Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller

by Johnny Disaster on Jul 6, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Knock Knock

who is there?
umm…the Giants?
The Giants who?
The Giants who going for 2 straight!

by ZoomPauly on Jul 6, 2010 4:29 PM PDT reply actions  

lol

Does someone have to spoon feed you?

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 6, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

meh

breast fed since 1989!

by ZoomPauly on Jul 6, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

GIANTS DON'T KNOCK

Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.

by satyricrash on Jul 6, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

SHIFT-A!!

I didn’t read anything!!

Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.

by satyricrash on Jul 6, 2010 4:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Reading is for suckers!

Wilber Bucardo: Carlos Silva with a younger brother.

by gianator on Jul 6, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL 6 pitches

Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?

by tobias on Jul 6, 2010 5:34 PM PDT reply actions  

LOL me wrong thread

Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?

by tobias on Jul 6, 2010 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

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