Giants among favorites for Dunn
by Cody_ransom on Jul 29, 2010 8:06 AM PDT
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PrintDunn is viewed as the most likely to be moved from the aforementioned group. The White Sox and Giants are pushing harder than the Yankees.
That was according to Joel Sherman via Tim Dierkes at MLBTR. I think this is possibly the best player the Giants have been linked to.
A lineup of:
Torres OF
Sanchez 2B
Posey C
Huff OF
Dunn 1B
Sandoval 3B
Rentarrhea/Uribe SS
Rowand/Nate/Burrell OF
Looks not only good, but possibly even dangerous.
The cost is the question. Sabean has been consistent in his desire to keep the rotation in tact, and I agree with that. All the reports I have seen/heard however have Kasten asking for the moon for his guys. It will be interesting to see what happens over the next two days. Hopefully Sabean can bring in a good bat and a relief pitcher and keep the rotation as well as Belt, Wheeler and maybe Neal.
What do you all think of Dunn. His defense at least this year according to UZR is bad, but not historically bad like it has been for several years. he's at -.06 for 1B this year and -1.5 for UZR 150. I think he would upgrade the lineup from slightly below average to slightly above average, the only thing that bothers me about the idea was how much he sucked in a small sample size playing in the NL West for Arizona a couple of years ago.
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is it me or is it kind of unsettling that all our trade mentions now are just of bats with horrible defense that arent worth the price tag? especially in that what we really need is another bullpen arm or two as Romo is the only guy outside of wilson at the current moment that can be comfortably depended on to give you an inning or two of work.
Yeah, where’s the Shin-Soo Choo trade rumor I’ve been dreaming of?
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by Josh from Hollywood on Jul 29, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
LOL. Can you do a stop motion thing with those gifs, you know like the Levis video with the guy walking across America?
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Wrecked!
Giants best trade option: Bowker for Rowand
by Giant Torture on Jul 29, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Wickity Whecked.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Jul 29, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I think I'm more on the Luke Scott wagon than the Choo train right now
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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Obviously I was just joking around, but you can’t possibly believe that Luke Scott is a better player than Shin-Soo Choo can you? Choo was a 5.0 WAR player last year, 3.2 so far this year even with missing a month. He’s a great defensive player, outstanding hitter, still only 27 and he’s under team control for 3 more years. He should be the absolute dream acquisition for the Giants (of course he was also the 28th on Fangraphs list of the players with the most trade value in baseball and it’s just his impending arbitration hearing that pushed him down that far so he’s not going anywhere, unfortunately).
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for all those players who whine about AT&T, the Giants should bring a little kiddie fence and stick in in right field about 250’ from home plate.
No one here gets out alive.
Well, he actually has the numbers to back it up
in 112 AB at the phone booth:
.196/.276/.375
Suddenly, I’m not so enamored of adding Dunn.
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but he won’t have to face Giants pitching anymore…
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 29, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
So much this
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No trades?
So, as much as I realize the motto of the Giants is “We’re Just One Bat Away From a Great Team”, but looking at the stats… I really have to question how much we need to (or for that matter, should) trade.
1) Our rotation is the best in the league. Most trade suggestions involve Sanchez. We don’t have any really safe replacements for him.
2) Our bullpen may be feel awfully shaky, but we still have one of the top bullpens in the NL. 18-12, 3.29 ERA (3rd!). High WHIP though.
3) Believe it or not, our offense is at worst average. One of the best teams in the league for average. A little above average OBP even. RBIs, even dingerz, we’re actually running middle-of-the-road there. And a lot of this is pre-Posey.
So average offense and dominant pitching. Feels like that could be enough. It’s just hard to see the Giants come ahead on any trade, unless it involved some serious prospects for possible rentals. I’d just rather not trade anymore.
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by jctGamer on Jul 29, 2010 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
LOL
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Giants best trade option: Bowker for Rowand
by Giant Torture on Jul 29, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
BA, RBI’s, dingers….ugh. You know we can sum everything up with wOBA or wRC+, right? Heck, on the team level, all you really need to look at is runs scored….
by Missing Barry on Jul 29, 2010 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Woo-hoo
RBI’s
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by Giant Torture on Jul 29, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
He’s a little off his game this year: strikeouts up, walks way down, hr/fb rate a little down. He’ll hit some home runs for sure, but when you factor in the defense, the baserunning, and the vague sense that he’s something of a jerk, I doubt he’s worth what it would take to land him.
what about when you factor in the fact that he doesn’t like baseball?
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 29, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, given the apparent price tag, I’m iffy on Dunn. I’d love to snag another bat, but I don’t want to give up a ton to get someone I’m not that into.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Jul 29, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I think his BA is at a career high too
so maybe he’s focusing on that?
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Any reason to think it’s for real and not just a product of the BABIP smiling upon him in a small sample?
by Missing Barry on Jul 29, 2010 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Probably not
Though I wouldn’t be shocked if he decided to learn that he tried to become a .300 hitter before hitting free agency
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Olney wrote an article last season
About how Dunn was trying to become more of a contact guy (specifically taking hard-to-hit balls up the middle). It didn’t really show after about 2 months last season, but maybe there are lingering effects this season?
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Could be, though I have my doubts for a couple of reasons – he hasn’t cut down on his strikeouts (they’re actually the worst they’ve been since 2006), which is something I’d expect if he was trying to make more/better contact, and his batted ball profile seems right in line with his previous performances. His P/PA is down a bit, not sure what that means, but probably explains his lack of walks this year.
by Missing Barry on Jul 30, 2010 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Bautista is still a better fit, but with Dunn
Suddenly the biggest problem becomes who to play in the 8 hole
CF/RF Torres (S)
2B Sanchez®
LF Huff (L)
C Dimaggio®
1B Dunn (L)
SS Uribe®
3B Sandoval (S)
RF Schierholtz (L)/ CF Rowand®
It’s a very straight left/right/left/right lineup with 2 switch hitters at the end
Having only one questionable spot in the lineup? Wow. I never thought I’d see this day with the Giants.
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by i did my job on Jul 29, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I’d actually move Sanchez down with Dunn, put Posey in the two hole behind Torres, then Dunn or Huff, then Huff or Dunn.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Jul 29, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
This would be cool.
Plus draft picks FTW.
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Agreed
That’s why I wouldn’t mind taking on some rental players
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Wow
I do not at all understand how people are complaining about the possibility of picking up a guy with a .915 OPS.
And according to UZR anyway, his defense at first has not been bad this year.
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My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
I am a Bochy hater and a Sabean apologist.
Because that’s a blatant misuse of UZR? Offensive upgrade is nice, but when it pushes Huff to the OF and adds the single worst defensive player in all of baseball to your team…..well, it ALSO adds a huge defensive downgrade. Throw in a sprinkle of “we’d have to give up talent” and another sprinkle of “he’s a terrible fit for our ballpark”, and it’s easy to see why people want no part of it.
by Missing Barry on Jul 29, 2010 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Huff in LF
isn’t so bad.
His SSS UZR is actually pretty good this year…
But if you would rather disregard that, then use your eyes. Doubtful that you’ve been seeing an incompetent LF out there, especially compared to all the Manny Ramirez’s, and even our very own Pat Burrell who is quite possibly one of the slowest players in the game IMO.
Huff definitely doesn’t belong in RF though.. That much I can agree on. But I’ve been pleasantly surprised by Huff at both LF and 1B this season.
I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that he’s in excellent shape.
I always remembered the dude being fat/chubby…
He’s pretty thinned out this year.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Jul 29, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, regardless of how Huff is in the OF, on average, he’d be +5 better at 1B (by average I mean that’s how the average MLB player fares making that transition). Second, using my eyes, I think his range sucks. He’s slow. I’m not saying he’s incompetent, there are definitely significantly worse fielders than him out there, but he’s not very good. Fans scouting report hates his defense, too, though he played 1B last year.
by Missing Barry on Jul 29, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
How large is the sample size at 1b though? Historically he’s been terrible
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Jul 29, 2010 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Someone should post that GIF of Dunn throwing the ball in the dirt (twice in a row).
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Jul 29, 2010 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Even if it was a full year sample, which it is not, it would be too small to draw much of a conclusion from. The truth is he’s a career -16.4 UZR/150 in over 2200 innings at 1B, he’s at the age where we should expect him to get worse defensively every year, his OF defense also supports the accuracy of the -16.4…..yeah, nothing to see in UZR. He’s a very, very bad defender.
by Missing Barry on Jul 29, 2010 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions
No
historically, he’s been an outfielder. He really hasn’t played that much at 1B.
My Son. Dude hits inside the parkers and takes walks.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
I am a Bochy hater and a Sabean apologist.
I just don’t believe that someone who’s epically terrible at one position is going to suddenly turn out to be decent at another.
So would Ishikawa make a great SS or CF?
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You know the avearge SS and CF are +15 better than the average 1B, right? So a +10 1B defender would be -5 at those postiions. But yes, it is true that certain skills play better at certain positions. That said, the COF-1B is a pretty common move, and given how slow Huff is, I don’t see any reason to think his change between those two positions is significantly diffferent than average (average being +5).
by Missing Barry on Jul 29, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Err, I mean Dunn. Same thing. Dude has no short area quickness and is too big to get down to ground balls. So yeah, I don’t see him being very good at 1B.
by Missing Barry on Jul 29, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
There’s no reason to trade for Adam Dunn. There’s no reason to trade for Cantu. There’s no reason to trade for any offensive player short of a superstar, really. Given that we actually have above replacement level players everywhere on the diamond, pretty much any of the available options don’t really provide any meaningful upgrade, so there’s no reason to give up talent for that.
HOLY CRAP
ADAM DUNN IS OF SUPERSTAR OFFENSIVE QUALITY. WHY IS THIS HARD TO UNDERSTAND.
My Son. Dude hits inside the parkers and takes walks.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
I am a Bochy hater and a Sabean apologist.
Offense is only one factor. I’d actually argue he’s no longer an offensive superstar, anyways. His wOBA, this year, is on the back of a .353 BABIP comapred to his .296 career mark. His walks are down substantially, his strikeouts are creeping up towards that mark where you simply cannot overcome it regardless of your other talents, and hes’ a bad fit for our ballpark. Then you consider the other factors….and no, Adam Dunn is no superstar.
by Missing Barry on Jul 29, 2010 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
(And keep in mind walks and strikeouts stabilize in a much, much smaller sample than needed for something like BABIP)
by Missing Barry on Jul 29, 2010 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions
My understanding is that Washington has asked for Bumgarner. I think that’s a case of “just say no.”
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Can we assume that Sabean won’t trade any SS prospects? So that excludes Crawford and Adrianza, right?
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Jul 29, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
probably not Crawford b/c he’s currently injured. Ehire? i could see it. He’s not untouchable.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 29, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t mind trading Adrianza, just in general. He has yet to show he can hit. I think most likely he never will hit enough, so we wouldn’t be “selling low” – we might actually “sell high” on him since the older the gets without hitting the less valuable he’ll become.
by Missing Barry on Jul 29, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Well obviously
But Wheeler and Neal? Joseph and Neal? Joseph and Wheeler? Probs.
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Wheeler and Neal for Dunn? Pass.
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Really the thing that makes the most sense here is Dunn to the Yankees for Montero. It’s a huge win for both sides and both sides seem to be willing to move both parties. I don’t see how this isn’t a done deal come Sunday.
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Really? You think the Yankees would give up Montero simply to have Adam Dunn on hand for the playoffs?
It’s been confirmed that they offered him for Lee. There was another rumor involving him. Seems to me they’re letting it be known that they’re willing to move him for a player that will impact this year’s playoff run.
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Doesn’t that say a lot about how they value Montero? If they thought he was the next coming of Posada, I doubt they move him.
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Jul 29, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
There isn’t now and never has been anybody who thought Montero was going to be a major league catcher. He’s as much a catching prospect as Carlos Delgado or Paul Konerko were. On top of which, the Yankees have a couple genuine catching prospects in the minors behind him. Montero’s a 1B/DH. With Teixiera in the fold for 10 years he’s a DH, and the Yankees might figure they can fill the DH spot fairly easily in the upcoming years — and maybe even think that they’ll be forced to use Jeter and/or Arod there as their bodies decline and can’t take the beating of playing defense daily.
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also
because of the “team control / arbitration” era that we are in now, a lot of people are overvaluing prospects. While it is true that prospects are valuable, they are still just that, prospects. There is no guarantee that they will pan out.
Chris Davis was once thought to be the best hitting prospect in baseball. Sean Burroughs was a can’t miss talent. Joba Chamberlain was going to dominate all of baseball.
Of course, this doesn’t mean you have no farm system whatsoever. Both the Yankees and the Red Sox have a ton of players that are home grown. (Although in the case of the Yankees, Robinson Cano is the last home grown position player that they have developed iirc). What it means is you should not be afraid to trade away prospects for talent, but you shouldn’t be frivolous about it.
And teams should circumvent the drafting system by spending as much as possible on international free agents.
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This is why I'm not overly concerned about dealing Wheeler
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Also, if they can get value for Neal, that would be fine too. Of course this would all hinge on Sabean making a good deal. If he’s available, I wouldn’t mind seeing them deal Wheeler and Neal for Uggla, and parking Uggla at 1B.
Giants best trade option: Bowker for Rowand
by Giant Torture on Jul 29, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t mind that at all.
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Uggla is only average at 1B
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Wow, that strikes me as a good way of becoming a future punch line, a la Bagwell for Anderson, or the Pierzynski trade.
Most likely neither Wheeler or Neal will ever be particularly valuable; that’s just the way it goes with youngsters. But if they develop into stars, they become hugely valuable. You have to assign some probability to that when you make your decisions.
And yeah, Uggla would be maybe average at first base.
And yeah, Uggla would be maybe average at first base.
The funny thing is, I think Uggla, overall, is just as good at 1B as Dunn. If we call Uggla a +20 hitter (any reason to think that’s unreasonable), and Dunn a +30 hitter (being more conservative here because apparently people think I just make numbers up)…..I don’t think it’s unreasonable at all to think the difference in their D is something close to 10 runs….
by Missing Barry on Jul 29, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I haven't seen Wheeler, but I've seen Neal
He’s not going to morph in to Bagwell, I think at best he’ll be an above-average everyday player, not All-Star/HOF type, more likely average everyday player or 4th OF. As for Wheeler, it’s just such a crap-shoot for young pitchers, plus we’ve just seen that Dan Uggla sees the ball very well at Telephone Park.
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by Giant Torture on Jul 29, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
6 years of team control of an average everyday player is a very, very good thing.
As for Uggla, he has 133 career PA’s at AT&T park. That’s just not enough to think he’s going to perform differently for us than we’d expect just from his normal performance. He’s also 30, ugh. He’s also pretty close to the same value as Dunn (and however much you think Dunn is better than Uggla for a full season, multiply that number by the 37% of the season left to get the difference he’d give us this year – yeah, it’s very small)….
by Missing Barry on Jul 29, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
You're forgetting
That’s what I see his ceiling as, his basement is a guy who never makes it to the big leagues and is out of baseball in 3-4 years so it’s not a given.
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by Giant Torture on Jul 29, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I was going with your “more likely”. Your ceiling – above average everyday player makes him even better. But even just “average to a bit below average” makes him a very nice asset. A 1 WAR player, which is basically a 4th OF, with enough PT will give you $10-15M worth of value (depending on PT) over 3 years where he’s being paid less than $1.5M total, and then whatever additional value you get in his arb years. $10M+ of surplus value = very nice.
by Missing Barry on Jul 29, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I didn’t much like that deal for them either, but at least Lee is legitimately one of the very best players in the game.
If they desperately need a DH, surely they could pick up Jack Cust, or Bautista or Hart or Luke Scott or Jim Edmonds or someone, and still hang on to Montero.
That’s how I would think if I were them. In fact, if I were them I’d think we have the best team in the majors; come and get us. but, I’m not the Yankees. I agree they’d be smart to hang onto Montero (especially as most of their stars get older), but I can see them getting that trade lust in their hearts and just not being able to shake it off.
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I can see how Montero would be burning a hole in their pocket, since they really don’t have a place for him. They can always sign him as a free agent when he’s 28, anyway.
Exactly. Although I guess to be fair, being willing to offer him up for Lee and being willing to offer him up for Dunn are certainly two distinct things. With Pettite hurt and Burnett being Burnett, their rotation is a legtimate Achilles Heel, and after the performance Lee put on against them in the World Series I can see how they’d be shaking in their boots a bit at the thought of him standing in their way to another championship. In retrospect, they’ve got to be pretty frustrated that Seattle accepted Texas’ offer over theirs.
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Plus, pitching seems to be a better predictor of playoff success than hitting, anyways.
by Missing Barry on Jul 29, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
No way I see Cashman doing that. I think he’s smarter than that.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Jul 29, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I am going to say that the Giants are not getting based on this
#Yankees unlikely to pursue C with Posada ailing. Deep at position. Want Dunn, not confident of getting him. Price on RPs high #MLB
Rosenthal twitter…
If the Yankees can’t get him…what the heck could the Giants offer?
Don’t the Giants have a better farm system than the Yankees? I also believe they’re reluctant to trade any of their top prospects, unlike the Giants.
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Jul 29, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, Posey/Bumgarner are both up, so that significantly hurts our farm system even though it’s not a loss for our franchise (especially given their MLB success).
by Missing Barry on Jul 29, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
they’d probably ask for Belt and that would be a big NO.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 29, 2010 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Since there is no activity on the other threads
Why couldn’t the Giants get in on the Oswalt thing? Phillies are giving up Happs (i.e. Bumgarner/Sanchez) and other prospects and Houston is going to pay a big chunk of the salary…
I've wanted Oswalt all year
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My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
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Why would we want to give up a dirt cheap and improving Bumgarner for a Zito-esque expensive and declining Oswalt?
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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prohibitive for next season.
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+1
And he won’t waive his no-trade unless the Giants agree to pick up his $16M option for 2012. We need hitters and relievers, not another starter with a salary that we can’t afford.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Yeah, costs too much. I want a hitter, not an expensive pitcher on the wrong side of 30.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Jul 29, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
We have 5 quality pitchers and Oswalt costs a crapload of money, as others have said.
by Missing Barry on Jul 29, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
You know what I like?
I like the confidence in knowing that, regardless of which starting pitcher is up next, that pitcher is GOOD. I don’t even pay attention to the (order of) rotation anymore.
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+1
in the same boat
I hated looking to see where the wellemeyer loss would come in.
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by Giant Voodoo on Jul 29, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, that’s a really great feeling. Everyday, I look at who’s pitching and say hell yeah. Honestly, Dirty is the pitcher that gives me the most pause. That’s a good thing.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Jul 29, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
Feeling like you have a chance at winning everyday is a good thing.
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis who is stuck in the baseball purgatory called extended spring training.
They now say the Rays are the favorite to get Dunn because Seabian wont pay the price.
I personally see nothing wrong with a deal as long as it’s not too costly and if Dunn isn’t a defensive liability at first.
He is a defensive liability at 1st
but he also moves a non liability at first (Huff) into a huge liability in the outfield.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 29, 2010 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t mind Sabean asking about Dunn – I do think he makes us better, even if it’s not substantially. From the sound of it, Sabean is playing it exactly like I would – inquire because why not, but find out they want real prospects and decide it’s not worth it.
by Missing Barry on Jul 30, 2010 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm Confused
Didn’t Sabean not even contact Dunn when he was a FA 2 years ago? I remember hearing an interview with Dunn asking why he didn’t sign with SF and he said they never even called him.
Why are they interested in trading prospects for 3 months of Dunn when they weren’t interested in him at all 2 years ago? He hit dingerz then at a remarkably consistent rate, so what has changed now?
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