minor lines, 7/25/10
by steve S on Jul 25, 2010 11:04 PM PDT
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PrintHighlights from the Giants farm: Francisco Peguero and Evan Crawford each homered as part of three-hit performances. Also notable, Darren Ford reached base four times.
AAA: Fresno lost to Reno 10-5
(falling behind 8-0 after four innings)
Fresno: SS Manny Burriss: 3 for 5, SO
Reno: 1B Brandon Allen: 2 for 4, HR, BB, SO
Fresno: SP Kevin Pucetas: 4.0 IP, 11 H, 8 R, 8 ER, 4 BB, 3 K--2 HR, 1 HB
Fresno: RP Tony Pena Jr.: 2.0 IP, 3 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 1 K
Burriss' second straight three-hit game and fourth three-hit game in his last seven games raised his AVG to .307. Allen, whom the Diamondbacks acquired from the White Sox a year ago, had his 15th HR. Ranked among the D'backs' top five prospects at the start of the year, he is hitting .257/.403/.514 through 249 AB in his first full-season in triple-A.
Pucetas had one of his least effective starts of the season. This was the third time in his last nine starts with 7+ ER. His ERA is now over 6.00. Is Pena overmatched in the PCL? In ten appearances since his promotion, he has given up 0 ER just three times, a single earned run three times, and multiple earned runs in the other four appearances. His WHIP is nearly 3.00.
AA: Richmond lost to Bowie 4-3
Richmond: CF Darren Ford: 2 for 3, 2 BB
Richmond: 1B Brandon Belt: 2 for 4, 2B
Richmond: 3B Conor Gillaspie: 2 for 4, 2B, SO
Richmond: SP Mike MacDonald: 4.1 IP, 8 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 0 BB, 3 K--1 HB
Richmond: RP Rafael Cova: 1.0 IP, 3 K
Bowie: SP Steve Johnson: 6.0 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 3 BB, 5 K
Ford reached base four times. July has been his best month of the season with a .358 OBP so far, but his OBP for the season remains just .314. Both corner infielders--Belt and Gillaspie--also had multi-hit lines, which included the Flying Squirrels' only two XBHs, Belt's 5th double and Gillaspie's 14th double.
MacDonald returned to the rotation after four relief appearances, but his start did not go well with 4 ER on 8 H. Cova struck out all three of his batters. He now has 44 K but 26 BB in 37.2 IP. Johnson, the Rule 5 pick this year whom the Giants returned to the Orioles, made his second quality start of the month against the Squirrels, but his season ERA remains well above 5.00.
A+: San Jose lost to High Desert 8-3
(falling behind 5-1 after two innings)
San Jose: CF Francisco Peguero: 3 for 4, HR, 2 CS
San Jose: DH Johnny Monell: 0 for 4, 3 SO
High Desert: RF Johermyn Chavez: 3 for 5, HR, SO
San Jose: SP Oliver Odle: 5.0 IP, 9 H, 6 R, 6 ER, 0 BB, 3 K--3 HR
San Jose: RP Edwin Quirarte: 1.0 IP, 1 K
Peguero remains red hot with the bat. While the Giants had just seven hits overall, he had a three-hit game for the fifth time in his last six games. He also had his third HR of that time span, which has nearly doubled his season total to 7 HRs. Monell had also been swinging a hot bat in July, but today he had the oh-fer with the hat trick. His SO/AB is close to 25%. Chavez, whom the Mariners acquired from the Blue Jays as part of the Brandon Morrow and Brandon League swap, had his 24th HR. The 21-year-old is hitting .303/.376/.565 though 379 AB.
Odle had his fourth straight start with at least 5 ER, raising his season ERA above 5.00. Quirarte worked a perfect 9th inning, but his ERA is still over 6.00 over his last ten appearances.
A-: Augusta lost to Hickory 6-4
(after trailing 6-3 through four innings)
Augusta: 3B Chris Dominguez: 3 for 5, 2B, 2 SO
Augusta: CF Evan Crawford: 3 for 4, HR, 2B
Augusta: SP Chris Heston: 3.2 IP, 9 H, 6 R, 5 ER, 2 BB, 2 K--1 HR
Augusta: RP Hector Correa: 2.1 IP, 1 BB, 5 K
Dominguez and Crawford each had three-hit performances, raising their respective AVGs to .270 and .265. Crawford's XBHs were his 4th HR and 11th double.
Heston had his shortest start since before Memorial Day. His 9 H and 6 ER both were both the most he has allowed in his last ten starts. Correa struck out five of his eight batters, raising his K/IP to 1.50. In nine appearances since the SAL's all-star break, he has 7 H, 2 BB, and 20 K in 11.2 IP.
ssA: Salem-Keizer lost to Everett 7-5
Salem-Keizer: SS Julio Izturis: 2 for 4, SH, SB
Salem-Keizer: 2B Adam Duvall: 1 for 2, 2B, 2 HBP
Salem-Keizer: SP Edward Concepcion: 2.2 IP, 5 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 4 BB, 1 K--1 WP, 1 E
Izturis had one of the Volcanoes' two multi-hit lines and also his 5th SB. Duvall, the Volcanoes' other middle infielder, reached base three times.
Concepcion's eighth start was his second shortest of the season. With 4 BB issued in four of his eight starts, his BB/IP is over 0.67.
R: GIants lost to Angels 8-3
Scottsdale: DH Mike Murray: 3 for 5
Scottsdale: SP Austin Fleet: 2.1 IP, 4 H, 5 R, 4 ER, 3 BB, 4 K
Tempe: SP Cam Bedrosian: 2.0 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 2 K--1 WP
After three singles today, Murray now has a .400 AVG through his first eight pro games.
Fleet has been a bit of feast or famine since his pro debut. In his last six starts, he has four starts with 0 ER but 5 R in each of the other two starts. Bedrosian, one of the Angels' first rounders this year and who is the son of the Giants' closer in 1990, made his third pro appearance (second start).
DSL: The Gigantes had their regular Sunday off-day
(The currently have a 1.5 game lead in their eight-team division with four weeks left in their season.)
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Peguero seems to be heating up with the weather
I’m liking it.
I like Brandon Belt.
Julio Izturis is one of my favorite sleepers. I think him & Ydwin Villegas will be a good DP combo next year at Augusta.
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I’ll be shocked if he’s not CAL Player of the Week this week.
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by BruteSentiment on Jul 26, 2010 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Last time Izturis and Villegas played together (last year in the AZL) they split time, rather than playing together. I really like Izturis as well, so i hope you’re right, but with Jurica in the mix as a 3rd round draft pick, I have feeling he’s not going to be the one to lose PT. At least not in the beginning. Of course, Villegas isn’t exactly proving he belongs in full season ball thus far either.
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Jurica will certainly be the starting SS in Augusta next year, due to his high draft pick status. I’m not sure what that means for Villegas. Clearly Ydwin needs to spend another year in Augusta next summer, as he’s been painfully overmatched at the plate: .197/.224/.254/.478 in 150 ABs. I’m guessing that the Giants will jump Izturis all the way up to SJ next year, jump Willoughby all the way to Augusta to play 2B, and keep Villegas in Augusta to provide a push for Jurica.
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I’d really like to see Izzie in the Cal League, but nothing in their history with him suggests the org values him highly enough to do that. They left in in the DSL for 3 years. He split time in the AZL last year and the deeper that season got the less PT he saw, and he seems to be the 3rd guy in on 2 positions this year as well. There’s just not much in their treatment of him that suggests they see anything special or are in any way inclined to try to create an opening for him in one of their lineups.
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I see your point
But, I think that it will just come down to logistics. They’re clearly not going to want to have both Izturis and Willoughby sharing 2B next year in Augusta. They’ll need a 2B in SJ to replace Culberson, and I don’t belive that Ryan Cavan has played well enough for the Giants to want to hand it to him unchallenged. If Izturis continues to perform at 2B and SS has he has this year, then I think he’s the logical logistical choice to land in SJ – especially since he gives you the flexibiltiy of also being to play SS.
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I'm thinking Jurica will go to San Jose next year
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Whether he manages to hit .200 at in the NWL or not!
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Who did SJ piss off to deserve that?
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Is there anybody up there impressing you this year Rich? Seems like a pretty lackluster bunch.
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I like our outfield over all, Lofton, Medina and Scoma all have good range and decent arms with Medina’s arm being the best of the bunch.
Our infield is pretty meek with the lone exception being Izturis, he makes the routine plays look very routine and the tough plays don’t seem to have him befuddled. Good range both left and right and a solid arm. Jurica is just not 3rd round material but I felt that way about Dominguez last year and he seems to be somewhat figuring it out so maybe there’s hope.
My newest son seems to be the the best defensive catcher on the team and according to Treb he’s the best in the league. The bat needs some work but his ability to make contact gives me hope. Not much for taking a walk though.
Pitching wise I like Couture (sp?) and Dunning.
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If you like the OF in S-K now, just hold on to your hat. You should be getting a speedster named Gary Brown there in about 3 weeks. Not to mention Jarrett Parker, if the Giants don’t decide he’d be better off in Scottsdale.
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It just seems like the Giants like to send college players to SJ
with Dominguez being the exception
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John Bowker: One of the 3 best OF's on the Giants roster
I don’t think that’s really true. This year the Augusta lineup includes college players Nick Liles, Ryan Cavan, Chris Dominguez, Luke Anders, Evan Crawford, and Ryan Lollis and utility man Juan Martinez. A few years ago, I remember watching them when they had nearly an entire college player lineup: Pill, Boyer, Burriss, Rohlinger, Felmy, McBryde and Tyler Graham.
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You could be right. On the one hand, they did aggressively place early round college draftees Kieschy, Gillaspie, and Crawford in SJ to start 2009 after they were drafted and barely played (or didn’t play at all) in 2008. On the other hand, last year’s 3rd rd. pick, Chris Dominguez was an older college player who played the enitre short-season schedule in the AZL and NWL in 2009, but was only promoted to Augusta this year. As disappointing as many of us thought he played in 2009, what Dominguez accomplished in S-K was head-and-shoulders above what Jurica is doing there so far this summer.
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He started off great but petered out quickly once the league figured out he couldn’t hit anything with a wrinkle. However, at least he seems to be hitting the ball better. Last year it was like he took lessons from Rowand, “swing at sliders in the dirt.” His defense was pretty suspect as well.
I’ve heard from someone in the know that his future may be that of an outfielder, he does have a tremendous arm.
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K-Poo looks pretty bad still
I think I might slowly get off that bandwagon.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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Agreed…this is a huge disappointment.
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by BruteSentiment on Jul 26, 2010 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree. I may be persuaded to get on the Manny Burriss bandwagon, however
someone more familiar with peripheral stats please let me know if I should.
I want to believe!
Burriss
.307 batting average…. with a .343 OBP and .362 SLG. Small sample of 127 AB, but Burriss is awful. Bad last year, bad before that, always bad.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 26, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
His only real chance to make it is as a strong defensive SS, which I think we’ve all seen that he isn’t. He’s gonna have to walk a heck of a lot more than he currently is, and steal a lot of bases on top of that, if he wants to be any kind of regular MLer.
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by theghostofjasonellison on Jul 26, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Burriss!
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 25, 2010 11:25 PM PDT reply actions
Putting aside the fact that every affiliate lost
Belt seems to be having a pretty solid year in the most difficult level of the minors; I bet if we packaged him and Jonathan Sanchez we could get Dunn to be that middle-of-the-order bat we’ve been desperately lacking which will push us over the edge and into the postseason. God knows we don’t have enough guys to play first now.
Ain't no Posey like a Buster Posey cause a Buster Posey don't stop...hitting.
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Dunn would be great!
Any way to get Dunn withought giving up our best prospect and 1 of our 5 starters?
i would hate to see Belt kick ass in Washington and id really hate Wellemeyer starting again!
id rather give up Wheeler then Belt. all our pitching prospects i see as expendable. since the giants have all their starters for a couple years
Would Dunn resighn with the Giants? he will be counting the homers that turn into outs unless you really pull the ball. Triples alley really kills homers. i agree we need Dunn or a similar hitter, but i dont want to give up Belt.
Its not easy being a giants fan
This is crazy talk
Belt and Sanchez or Belt and Wheeler for 2+ months of Adam Dunn? Please remember that Dunn is a FA at the end of this season. He is in no way worth our #4 startrer and one of our top 3 minor league prospects. I wouldn’t even trade any 1 of those names mentioned straight up for Dunn.
If the Nats really do want to trade Dunn, they can only expect a couple of B-level prospects, or a major league pitcher (back-end starter or setup reliever) and a b-level propsect.
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did someone say Todd Wellemeyer? Perhaps Joe Martinez?
How about Martinez and Burriss for Dunn?
I suspected that quincy’s post was a tarp, but jasonx was clearly taking it seriously and proposing to trade Wheeler and others for Dunn.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Huff has hit better than Dunn this year
Dunn needs to move to the DH league, anyway. I’d trade for two months of him and the comp picks you get after if the Nats are giving him away, sure. But they aren’t, so I wouldn’t.
People keep suggesting trades like this, and they keep not making sense. Dunn for Sanchez doesn’t really improve the team, since the difference between Dunn and Huff/Ishikawa is not as big as between Sanchez and Wellemeyer. Nobody on the current major league roster should be traded in a “win now” trade, unless it is to play the same position.
by taliesin on Jul 26, 2010 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Supposedly the Nats began discussions with the White Sox by asking for Gordon Beckham + a couple pieces for Dunn. And, while I can’t imagine Beckham will end up moving, it’s notable that Chicago has let the Nats know they’re still all in on Dunn if the Nats decide to move him. Much as I love Dunn’s bat, I sure hope we don’t get in that bidding war.
Incidentally, i saw a note on MLBtraderumors this weekend that the Red Sox were also in serious discussions on DeJesus before his injury. I’m thinking that a lot of the same teams are going to be in on all the usual suspects which should mean that getting somebody useful for some meh prospects won’t be happening. Of course, i say that and then look at the Dbacks move for Haren and I’m left pretty confused on the issue.
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I really, really wish we’d been in on the Haren discussions. I’d have traded a similar package for him.
I doubt hat the Snakes would have even considered trading him in the division (including the Rox and the Fodgers), unless it was an incredibly 1-sided deal. The Giants offer would have had to seem much better than the Angels’ for DiPoto to justify trading Haren to SF.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
And that deal wasn’t?
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by say hey nation on Jul 26, 2010 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, it wsa 1-sided, but it was to a team in a whole different league. The Sankes won’t face Haren again unless they make it to the Series.
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And partly because of this deal, they almost certainly won’t.
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Jul 26, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Another reason for us to sweat out this week. BS looking for a big bat in a seller’s market is a recipe for disaster.
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Definitely agreed.
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Wrecked!
It’s the same reason why the Giants improved by trading Bengie Molina, they got a much better catcher and added an arm to their bullpen. Plus it allowed Whitey to get in to more games as a pinch-runner (because Buster is on base more often) with his blazing speed from first to third, if he keeps working at it, he could be as fast as Torres soon.
Giants best trade option: Bowker for Rowand
by Giant Torture on Jul 26, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Nicely played
Plus it allowed Whitey to get in to more games as a pinch-runner
LOL
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
I was at San Jose tonight, and there’s not a ton to report. Peguero’s home run was a booming shot.
There were a few scouts; the ones I recognized were from the Brewers and Royals. One of the fans at the game noted that scouts have been there all week.
Also of note was the fan said that the Giants front office, including Neukom and Baer, last week. That in of itself isn’t odd (apparently it was a large group taking in the game, enjoying themselves), but considering it happened the same week as Neukom’s visit to Richmond, one has to think there’s one of a couple of things going on: either they’re checking out their trade bait, and/or affiliation negotiations are going on.
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I’m sure it’s the affiliation thing. No way Neukom does any scouting.
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by rxmeister on Jul 26, 2010 7:49 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
You're right
While I’m sure there was some scouting of potential trade candidates going on, the trip was clearly scheduled in advance and meant to be a goodwill tour of the minor league frnchises type of thing. They went on an orderly route across the country and hit all the frnachises (except maybe Scottsdale).
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Definitely, its Neuk’s 1st year as chief so he has to do some met and greets with his minions in order to keep costs down.
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by say hey nation on Jul 26, 2010 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey! And Craig Whitaker completes the random order tour of of the system with an appearance out of the Fresno bullpen. For the record, his 2010 thus far has gone: AA Richmond → Low A Augusta → Hi A San Jose → AAA Fresno.
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Peguero CS 2?
Were they on legit throws from the catcher or were pick-offs and pitch-outs involved?
Peguero has stolen 36 bases this season, but he’s also been caught stealing 15 times (29.2%). Having seen him on the basepaths at the Futures Game earlier this month, it’s pretty obvious to me that he gets the majority of his steals on the strength of his blinding speed and quickness. He has not developed the art of reading a pitcher, and really needs to be introduced to a basestealing mentor/coach at this point in his career (Dave Roverts, Andres Torres). Right now he’s just a younger version of Velez on the basepaths.
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I wish Darren Ford would stop robbing my hope.
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Ugly game for Chuckie
He was 1-4 with 1 K and 1 BB at the plate, but he stunk it up in CF with 2 errors. Days like that remind you that he’s still just a 17 year old kid playing his first month of pro ball. He’ll be turning 18 on Wednesday, so everybody be sure to make a sign for him if you’re going to be at the game – it’s a home game agianst the Reds.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Dan Burkhart
Can’t wait to see him in Scottsdale or S-K soon. He signed a few weeks back, and he’s not a pitcher, so I don’t see why he needs extensive work on the sidelines before he gets activated.
For those that don’t remember him, he was the Giants 10th round pick this year. He was Alex Wimmers’s catcher at Ohio State. He is reported to a very good defensive C, but his offense this season was quite good for a college C:
in 230 ABs >> 354/.464/.481/.945 with a wOBA of .426 and a BB-rate=17.4%, K-rate=10.4%
Clearly he’ll have to cut down on his BBs and increase his Ks if he wants to rise quickly throught the Giants farm system. Maybe the Giants will assign Dunston to him as a special tutor.
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Seems like a pretty optimistic report on him. Most of what I’ve read has been “bad body, slow bat, great intangibles”.
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Not optimistic, just very curious
Good-field, no-bat was the standard mantra throughout the net before and after the draft. But, I believe the vast majority of those “scouting” reports were just copying off each other, and they had never seen Burkhart play. I’m not saying that he’ll be a good hitter, I’m just saying that a .354 BA, and .481 slugging % doesn’t translate into a “slow bat” unless you believe he was playing against vaslty inferior oppostion. However, it that was true then how did Alex Wimmers get ranked, and drafted, so highly while pitching against the exact same competition.
If he can play above-average D and just be average at the plate he’ll be the best candidate we have for the role of backup catcher to Posey in the future. The best thing about him? He’s clearly a slower runner than Posey, so Bochy won’t be tempted to use him as a pinchrunner for Buster in late-inning nail-biters.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Meh, .354/.481 isn’t really impressive or particularly meaningful in college stats. Consider that Jackson Williams hit .344/.426/.525 his senior year in a major baseball conference and was still, quite rightly, labeled all-glove, no bat in his scouting reports.
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good point
But I don’t believe that Jax ever came close to posting a 10.4%/17.4% k-rate/bb-rate line.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
I think it will hinge on his ability to shed pounds and tone up
He doesn’t seem to be the most physically fit player on the field, which for some guys is just a product of baseball not being their sole focus while in school. If his intangibles are as advertised, then I could see him slimming down and adding lean muscle mass which would help improve overall bat-speed and quickness. At the very least he’s an interesting player to watch.
Giants best trade option: Bowker for Rowand
by Giant Torture on Jul 26, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
1.5 months squatting in the AZ heat should shed a bunch of pounds off of him. I didn’t realize that he was such a chuncky dude.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
He's not chunky
He’s pleasantly plump, which is a nice departure from Bengie Molina who is a fat-ass.
Giants best trade option: Bowker for Rowand
by Giant Torture on Jul 26, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
If you type in his name into Google, one of the first links that shows is the MLB Draft videos – he’s not the most in-shape kid around, but he’s not Bengie either. That being said, I’d be much more inclined to believe in Burkart’s bat coming out of college than I would for someone like Jax, just based on K/BB: Jax in his senior year posted something close to 2K : 1BB, and his previous year (his best K/BB ratio) was 28K : 24BB, but that came with a lot less power than his senior year. Burkhart, meanwhile, posted a 24K : 40BB his senior year, and the year before that, had a K/BB of 29K : 31BB.
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Adopted parent of good old Wendell, he tries so hard. You'll get a hit someday son!
by theghostofjasonellison on Jul 26, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd send him to Augusta
and send Tommy Joseph back to SK. Joseph can regain confidence in his bat and work on his defense with Jeff Arnold (who is supposed to be awesome defensively) and Hector Sanchez can be-more or less- the everyday catcher at Augusta
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First Culberson started hitting, now Peguero. What’s the world coming to? Pretty soon we’re just going to have Jax and Wendell Fairley to make fun of.
I still think Peguero’s a menace. Batting average and vroom mean he’ll get loads of major-league opportunities whether he actually develops into a ballplayer or not.
You sir, are a Doubter!
Which is fine by me, but your wrong on Frankie Pegs. He’s going to turn into our very own version of Carl Crawford.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
I’m a doubter but a hoper. The danger with Peguero is that whether he turns into Carl Crawford or not, he’s still going to get a Eugenian number of chances to try. Whereas if Noonan or Culberson or one of those guys doesn’t develop, he’ll just fade silently away.
Impressive!
“Frankie Pegs” and “Eugenian” in 2 successive posts. I bow to your wordsmith skills, gentlemen.
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I can’t say I believe in Peguero’s bat – K/BB over 4 from a guy who doesn’t have much power.
I was promised lasagna.
He’s got a body that looks like it should have power in it. I think he’s going to be one of those “powers the last thing to develop” guys.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
yeah
I believe that Crawford is a much more disciplined hitter than Peguero will ever be. With Fancisco we just have to hope that lightning strikes twice and he can make consistent contact on pitches outside the zone (like Panda) to overcome his ambition to swing at everything that comes within 2 feet of the plate.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
When Crawford was in the minors, he was generally posting a K/BB of about 3/1, and he really didn’t have much power to speak of either (.404, .410, .356, .456 in AAA). That being said, he was also hitting the majors at age 20.
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Adopted parent of good old Wendell, he tries so hard. You'll get a hit someday son!
by theghostofjasonellison on Jul 26, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, that’s the thing with Peguero. With 19 year olds, you can take tools. But when they guy is 22 (and in A+), you want results.
I was promised lasagna.
Very true, but with this org, Peguero is the closest thing we’ll get to a toolzy young outfielder.
Man, I was trying to find a list of players who debuted before their 20th birthday, and I came across this article by SI.com talking about the players Heyward is projected to be like. Here’s a quote from it:
Forget the Fred McGriff comparisons; Heyward is far more athletic. Forget the Willie McCovey comparisons; McCovey was only a .270 career hitter. Forget the Willie Stargell comparisons; Stargell never walked even 90 times.
I realize what the author is trying to do in saying that Heyward could even be a better player than McCovey, but to just assume Heyward is going to put up all the numbers McCovey did, and then throw aside the comparison because McCovey was “only a .270 batter”, seems to take away just a little from what Willie did in his career.
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Adopted parent of good old Wendell, he tries so hard. You'll get a hit someday son!
by theghostofjasonellison on Jul 26, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I wonder how long it will take for the meme of describing someone as a “.300 hitter” or a “.270 hitter” or whatever to die out. It’s been desperately obsolete for at least 20 years, so I’m still slightly amazed when I come across it. But 150 years after Darwin, not many people believe in evolution either, so “.300 hitter” could be around for a while.
Culberson stole his 20th base in 25 attempts in that game
and he has swiped at least 5 in a row
The money lies in the RBIs
-- Jeff Kent
and the SLG has seen a serious uptick at the same time. I see causation, not just correlation!
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
Darren Ford reached base 4 times!
Equipment manager should probably check and make sure all of the bases are still there…ba-dump-dump.
Giants best trade option: Bowker for Rowand
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