Which former Giants player would you like to see in the Hall of Fame?
A) Will Clark
B) Kevin Mitchell
C) Matt Williams
D) Jeff Kent
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Will Clark
and I think Jeff Kent will get in
by 49erEmpire on Jul 25, 2010 12:00 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
That pretty much sums it up. Will is everyone’s favorite, but Jeff is the hall of famer.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
by rxmeister on Jul 26, 2010 7:05 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
you might want to look at Will Clark's number a little more closely.
WARP3 (adjusted for 162 game season) for the last 5 first baseman elected to HOF, as compared to Will Clark.
If Clark had chosen to play just three more seasons, it’s not unconceivable that he would have added 375 hits, 80 more doubles and 50 home runs to his career totals. Perhaps the padded career stats would have appealed to the writers. But as it is, his career stands on it’s own and is very clearly Hall of Fame worthy.
Since Clark dropped off the Hall of Fame ballot after only one appearance and has to depend on the Veteran’s Committee, it’s incredibly doubtful that he will ever have a plaque in Cooperstown. That’s unfortunate because The Thrill belongs in the Hall of Fame.
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2007/2/7/1248/12179
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
a lot of guys would be in if they had gotten a thousand more AB but the fact is they did not
and unless something entirely beyond team-player expectation like war conscription was to blame, that’s just too bad
The money lies in the RBIs
-- Jeff Kent
that WARP3 is career.
In much fewer at bats, Will Clark generated higher WAR numbers, normalized per 162 game season, than Cepeda and HIllebrew, and was equal to that of McCovey.
His qualification is legit, your comment said only Kent has legit qualifications. I just showed you otherwise. What he didn’t have was counting stats. Total number of hits, home runs, etc, but readers today should be able to look beyond counting stats.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
No, they should NOT look beyond counting stats.
Any stat you cannot win an award for is nerd-fuck BULLSHIT!!!
The money lies in the RBIs
-- Jeff Kent
I assume by ur sarcasm that u have come around on will Clark
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
by jctGamer on Jul 26, 2010 6:56 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
still not sold
WAR is just an assumption based upon projections.
It’s religion, not fact.
The random replacement player represented by the “R” is a mythical creation, a hypothetical model.
Runs, Hits, HR, RBI, SB, etc. are things that ACTUALLY HAPPENED.
In much fewer at bats, Will Clark generated higher WAR numbers, normalized per 162 game season, than Cepeda and HIllebrew, and was equal to that of McCovey.
The money lies in the RBIs
-- Jeff Kent
What would you say to Bill James' assertion...
That Clark’s ‘89 season was the best by any player of the 80’s? Certainly having the best season within a decade should count for more than being the writers favorite and winning an award.
Just a question though, I am way too biased to have an honest opinion. I still have a framed Will Clark poster in my bedroom that my wife has unsuccessfully tried to take down. Before there was Buster there was Nuschler and he’s still dreamy.
Giants best trade option: Bowker for Rowand
by Giant Torture on Jul 26, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
'Tis to LOL
Bill James also believed Pedro Guerrero was the best hitter of that decade.
The money lies in the RBIs
-- Jeff Kent
the first time he’s eligible
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
I agree, but he’s not ever getting in. The writers all hated him, and the steroids give them the excuse they needed.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
by rxmeister on Jul 26, 2010 7:07 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Never’s a long time, rx. You’re somewhere around my age so you remember the days when Muhammad Ali was the most despised athlete, if not person, in the country? When Ted Williams was hated and constantly undermined in the papers (he’s overrated — he walks too much and won’t hit those easy singles to left field!).
Sports writers are like Burgher Meister Meister Burghers, they die off and the people begin to realize how silly they were.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
YES
First time please.
(Don’t blow this, BBWAA. Don’t try to be heroes. Just do the right thing, and no one gets hurt.)
¡Viva los Gigantes!
Eventually he’ll make it, but he won’t show up for induction as a F-U for not getting in on the first ballot.
He doesn’t need the Hall and those who have dissed him.
"If we had signed Guerrero or Sheffield, we would have been without Brower, Eyre, Herges, Hermanson,Tomko,Pierzynski, Feliz, Snow,Hammonds, Mohr and Tucker–obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint"--B Sabean
by seyheystretch on Jul 26, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Epic nerdcore here..
..but Bill Dahlen is probably the best player from the first half of the century (and the last decade of 19th century) not in the Hall of Fame.
His brother Ulf was better
I ain't havin' it
by NuschlerFace on Jul 25, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
True but he should be DQd because he was a Dodger (or actually a Superba) more than he was a Giant.
Also we got Ross Youngs in who was undoubtedly an outstnading player but owing to the fact that he died when he was 30, probably has the sketchiest HOF resume of anybody in the room of plaques.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
Will Clark
One million times, Will Clark.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Jul 25, 2010 4:30 PM PDT reply actions
Even though he never actually played for the Giants
Boof Bonser
THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME (for 3 days in 1995).
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Jul 25, 2010 4:45 PM PDT reply actions
Hopefully not a “former Giants’ player” any time soon
THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME (for 3 days in 1995).
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Jul 25, 2010 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Will Clark
Proud father of Mike Krukow (who is more than 3 times my age)
Grab Some Pine, Meat
Still cheering for Kevin Frandsen
John Bowker: One of the 3 best OF's on the Giants roster
by Gobroks on Jul 25, 2010 7:05 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Barry Bonds
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
On a side note
Why isn’t there a Giants Hall of Fame (other than their Wall of Fame)? They have a long history to justify it.
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Space, as much as anything I bet
It’s too bad, because they probably have some sweet memorabilia in storage somewhere. If anybody remembers the 1954 World Series reunion ceremony, in it they bought the “NY GIANTS” sign from the facade of the Polo Grounds.
Chicagoans always bitch about Ron Santo
But Will Clark was one of the best 1Bs of his era, and took the team to the World Series to boot. He deserves it.
to be fair to Cubs fans..
…Santo is probably better than Clark. Santo was a truly great player, probably in the top five or six 3Bs ever.
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What about Robby Thompson?
Thompson had an unbelievable glove at second base and should have won tandem gold gloves with Ozzie Smith for years, but Ryne Sandberg had a better bat. If Smith made it for his glove, than Thompson should have received some consideration given his offensive output far outpaced Smith’s. I’m still not sure he belongs in the Hall, but much better than it seems people give him credit for.
Giants best trade option: Bowker for Rowand
Kent will get in
How about Matt Herges?
Are replacement players eligible for the Hall of Fame?
by Section B, Row 1 on Jul 26, 2010 3:16 PM PDT reply actions
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