Giants still ranked #2 in OPS+ plus ERA+
by Goofus on Jul 22, 2010 2:38 PM PDT
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PrintIt's been almost six weeks since I did this. The Giants are still looking pretty damn good compared to the rest of the leage in overall performance:
| Team | OPS+ | ERA+ | Total | Rank |
| STL | 102 | 125 | 227 | 1 |
| SFG | 92 | 127 | 219 | 2 |
| ATL | 100 | 112 | 212 | 3 |
| SDP | 100 | 112 | 212 | 3 |
| CIN | 106 | 102 | 208 | 5 |
| COL | 96 | 112 | 208 | 5 |
| CHC | 90 | 108 | 198 | 7 |
| NYM | 92 | 106 | 198 | 7 |
| LAD | 102 | 95 | 197 | 9 |
| PHI | 94 | 102 | 196 | 10 |
| FLA | 89 | 105 | 194 | 11 |
| WSN | 95 | 98 | 193 | 12 |
| MIL | 108 | 81 | 189 | 13 |
| ARI | 93 | 86 | 179 | 14 |
| HOU | 74 | 92 | 166 | 15 |
| PIT | 83 | 81 | 164 | 16 |
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Cool
I’m not 100% sure what the + means, but this would seem to indicate that the pitching is outshining the hitting. So far, anyway.
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It's adding the team ERA+ to the team OPS+
Yes, the pitching is is stellar and the offense is slightly below league average.
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I think he meant to ask what does the “+” signify in the terms ERA+ and OPS+.
As I understand it, the answer is that the + signifies an ERA or OPS that has been adjusted for park factors, competition factors, and time frame factors. For any given league, ballpark and year the average ERA and OPS are calculated and assigned the value 100. Every ERA+ and OPS+ is then referenced back to that average 100 value. So, if a player or team has an ERA+ of 120, that means their ERA was 20% better than their average peer (ie. team or player). By the same token, an OPS+ of 90 would signify an OPS that was 10% worse than their average peer. Correct me if I’m wrong.
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Wow that offense is...wow
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Goof-plus McPen-plus-butter?
I’m still impressed with nice my columns look in the OP
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Sounds like a cookie recipe.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Jul 23, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
GoofPlus = (OPS+ + ERA+)/2?
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 22, 2010 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Why is a 100 point scale important?
It doesn’t really apply hen you’re just looking at the NL
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I'd imagine it would be just for ease of reference
You can tell right away how good a team is doing.
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So OPS+, ERA+ and Goof+ are all on the same scale… it’s just a convention for easier understandability.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 23, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
But wouldn’t you have to average the numbers and then determine the score that way?
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by say hey nation on Jul 25, 2010 6:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Seconded. (What? Is no one here familiar with Robert’s Rules? I sit in enough government meetings to know a motion has to be seconded.)
A motion is on the floor!
We need to mop it up before someone slips on it
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This seems to confirm my notion that the giants have been underperforming a bit (or getting robbed by umps)
Yep.
By my reckoning they are maybe a game’s worth of offense below projection from events, and that’s probably heavily influenced by the above-average number of double plays (27 over NL average, which—at a rule of thumb of getting 3 mon on per run scored—is just about right for a game’s worth of runs).
They are also about four games’ worth of runs allowed under, which I expect is mostly their well-above-average defense.
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The encourage thing to me is much of the offensive numbers to date include Molina & Rowand
Buster , Torres and Burrell sure make the lineup look better.
I’m also hopeful that the “Good Panda” we’ve been seeing of late is the real deal.
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Sorry
Not holding my breath on the Panda, he hasn’t looked too good the last two games, which isn’t much, but since it was a SSS that had gotten us all excited, it’s fitting that a SSS would deflate that. It just seems that the league has adjusted to him and due to his hacking ways and lack of discipline he can’t adjust back.
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by Giant Torture on Jul 23, 2010 5:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Unfortunately, I tend to agree with you. I’m still pretty unsure about Sandoval.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Jul 23, 2010 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions
He Still Needs A Trip To The Minors
He continues to make all the same mistakes.
by giantsrainman on Jul 23, 2010 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Saw this in a giants newsgroup
Giants with two outs and runners in scoring position have
the worst average in the N.L. 209.
MICRO SPLITS!
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by say hey nation on Jul 23, 2010 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions
This is a good thing
We can reasonably expect them to do better going forward.
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Jul 23, 2010 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions
WAR agrees!
Team BWAR PWAR TWAR Rank Cardinals 16 10.1 26.1 1 Giants 13.5 12.1 25.6 2 Reds 17 8.4 25.4 3 Padres 15.8 9.4 25.2 4 Rockies 10.6 14.6 25.2 5 Braves 13.3 10.8 24.1 6 Cubs 11.4 11.8 23.2 7 Marlins 9.2 12.6 21.8 8 Dodgers 11 10.7 21.7 9 Nationals 11.5 8.7 20.2 10 Mets 11.9 8.1 20 11 Brewers 14.9 4.8 19.7 12 Phillies 10.3 8 18.3 13 Diamondbacks 13.3 4.2 17.5 14 Astros 0 10.1 10.1 15 Pirates 2.3 1.9 4.2 16
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
Astros 0 pitching WAR
LOLWUT
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Damn! The following teams changed position (position change from goof+)
ATL -3
CIN +2
CHC -1
NYM -3
PHI -3
FLA +3
WSN +2
MIL -1
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by say hey nation on Jul 23, 2010 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions
not as lulzy as the astros
but I like the Brewers sitting at #1 in offense and #13 overall
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Question about OPS+ and ERA+
Why are there only 4 teams with OPS+ over 100, and only 6 teams with ERA+ less than 100? I thought the whole point of those stats was to weight them so that league average is 100. What am I missng?
Averaging the numbers...
League average OPS+ is about 95, and league average ERA+ is about 103.
Because of the DH
IIRC, OPS+ is calculated against league average for non-pitchers, but the team totals for the national league includes pitchers’ OPS+ (as well as a bunch of pinch hitters who would never get much playing time on an AL bench), so all the NL teams have a built-in handicap. Similarly, ERA+ is calculated from a pool of all major league pitchers, so NL teams get a slight bump from facing pitchers.
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The National League hits worse than the American League. The NL OPS+ is generally around 94 every year.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 22, 2010 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
But, as Bhaakon Cheeseburger noted above
The NL hits “worse” primarily because of pitchers
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Honestly these stats are nice and all but...
Taking the OPS+ and ERA+ is basically taking run differential… this is meaningless…
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OMG GIANTS HAVE BETTER PITCHING THAN TEH CARDINALS!!!!!! UNPOSSIBLE!!!! THEY HAVE WAINO AND CARPENTER!!!!!!!!!
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BtB new rankings out
Emphasis on rank, as in “what’s that rank odor?”
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Wow.
R: 420
Estimated Runs: 411
Runs Allowed: 347
Estimated Runs allowed: 414
Is the pitching/defense really out performing itself by almost 70 runs (thats about 10 wins right?)
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by say hey nation on Jul 23, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Is the pitching/defense really out performing itself by almost 70 runs (thats about 10 wins right?)
No. I’ve been arguing with JinAZ about his approach for a long time, and it looks like he’ll actually change it, including placing more weight on hr/fb, which would benefit the Giants ranking.
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I'm a day behind . . .
. . . because my raw data source didn’t update properly, but as of yesterday (that is, through 95 games) I make the runs allowed 44 fewer than calculations, and I write most of that difference off to a well-above-average defense, second in the NL to SD. The actual SFG numbers are OR = 347, calculated = 391. (The offense was 408 actual compared to 417 calculated, and that’s probably mostly or entirely from the wildly above-average DP figures.)
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Baseball-Reference question
Does anyone know how they choose the starting position players vs. bench players on BB-ref? Is it innings at the position?
Looking at the Giants page right now, they’ve got Rowand as the CF, even though Torres now has more PAs. They also still show Bengie as the catcher.
Oddly enough, they’ve got Burrell on there as the starting LF, even though he’s only been on the team a short time.
On a realted note, it’ll be asthecically pleasing to see MadBum replace Wellemeyer as one of the “starters”.
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Whom they list as the “starter” at a postion seems linked to this page. The player with the most innings generaly is the guy B-R listed as the starter. Personaly i like that they do it that way though we get to see things like giant’s LF in ’05 being Pedro Feliz or ’08 First baseman being Bowker.
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I'm not a fan of ERA+ in a small sample
But I’m not really a fan of it in a large sample either, so I guess I’m just a hater.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
Team ERA+ is currently based on 850+ innings
…which is like 4 or 5 seasons for one pitcher, so I’d say it’s a decent sample size.
I like ERA+ because it’s simple like me. FIP-type stuff goes over my head pretty quickly.
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How the hell
do the Padres have an “average” offense?
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Also
Gonzalez is fantastic, and they managed to avoid having any terrible hitters, except maybe Gwynn. The rest are all decentish.
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LOL stats
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by lurkers UNTIE on Jul 23, 2010 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I mean, if there are not a lot of runs scored by either the opposition (because of good SD pitching) or home team (because of borderline scrubs + Adrian Gonzalez), then all of a sudden the OPS+ goes way up because of “park factors”. I’m not suggesting Petco isn’t a pitcher’s paradise, but sometimes these stats can be misleading; it seems some people would see that and interpret "if I took the Padres offense and placed them at a fairer park, like Turner Field, they would have an “average” offense.
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by lurkers UNTIE on Jul 24, 2010 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions
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