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Wednesday highlights from the Giants' farm: Eric Hacker had 8 K in 6.0 scoreless IP, Francisco Peguero had three XBH among his four hits, Drew Biery homered twice, and Carter Jurica had his first four-hit game.

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AAA: Fresno defeated Salt Lake 4-0

Fresno: SS Ryan Rohlinger: 2 for 4, 2B
Fresno: RF Ben Copeland: 1 for 2, BB, SB

Fresno: SP Eric Hacker: 6.0 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 3 BB, 8 K
Salt Lake: RP Matt Palmer: 3.0 IP, 1 H, 2 BB

Rohlinger had the Grizzlies' only multi-hit line as he drove in two runs.  Copeland also reached base twice and stole his 15th bag.

Hacker had his best start since at least early June, and his 8 K was his most in his ten starts since Labor Day.  He now has an 11-5 W-L record with a 4.51 ERA in twenty starts.  Palmer, the ex-Giant now in the Angels' organization, made his second PCL rehab appearance with 3.0 scoreless IP.

AA: Richmond defeated Trenton 4-2

Richmond: CF Darren Ford: 3 for 4, 3B, HBP, SO
Richmond: 1B Brandon Belt: 2 for 3, 3B, SB
Richmond: SS Ryan Lormand: 2 for 4, 3B

Richmond: SP David Mixon: 6.0 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 3 BB, 4 K--1 HR
Richmond: RP Rafael Cova: 1.0 IP, 1 K
Trenton: SP Andrew Brackman: 5.2 IP, 9 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 7 K--1 HB

Three different Flying Squirrels--Ford, Belt, and Lormand--had multiple hit lines that included a triple.  Belt's AVG stands at .371, while Ford and Lormand still have AVGs below .250.

Mixon had his seventh quality start in his last nine starts.  The 3 BB were his most since before Labor Day, but his K/BB remains well above 3.00 and his BB/IP below 0.25.  Cova got his 17th save with a perfect 9th inning.  Brackman, the Yankees' first round pick three years ago, made his 6th start since being promoted the upper minors.

A+: San Jose defeated Stockton 17-1
(after leading 4-0 through four innings)

San Jose: RF Francisco Peguero: 4 for 6, 3B, 2 2B, SB
San Jose: C-1B Johnny Monell: 4 for 4, HR, BB
San Jose: 1B Drew Biery: 2 for 4, 2 HR, HBP, 2 SO

San Jose: SP Kyle Woodruff: 4.1 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 4 BB, 3 K
San Jose: RP Eric Stolp: 1.2 IP, 1 H, 1 BB, 1 K
Stockton: SP Brett Tomko: 4.2 IP, 10 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 0 BB, 3 K--2 HR, 2 HB, 2 WP

Biery had his 10th and 11th HRs, but the corner infielder's SLG remains just .424.  Peguero has been the Giants' hottest hitter recently.  He had his sixth multi-hit line in his last eight games, raising his July AVG to .403 through 77 AB.  Monell had his 9th HR.  His six-game hitting streak has raised his SLG above .400.

Woodruff made his first pro start after 55 career relief appearances.  Stolp returned to the bullpen for his seventh relief appearance after a dozen starts.  The ex-Giant Tomko made just his fifth start of the year.  His ERA is close to 9.00 in three Cal League starts.

A-: Augusta defeated Greensboro 6-5

Augusta: DH Nick Liles: 2 for 3, 2 BB
Augusta: CF Evan Crawford: 3 for 4, BB, SO, SB, E
Greensboro: C Kyle Skipworth: 2 for 3, 2 BB, SO

Augusta: SP Andrew Reichard: 6.2 IP, 8 H, 4 R, 3 ER, 2 BB, 3 K

Liles and Crawford, the Giants' seventh and ninth round selections a year ago, both reached base four times, raising their respective OBPs to .359 and .325.  The Marlins' Skipworth also reached base four times after his Olympic rings performance the previous day.

Reichard had his longest start of the year.  He has a 4.01 ERA over eight appearances (42.2 IP) in the Sally League this year.

ssA: Salem-Keizer defeated Everett 11-6

Salem-Keizer: SS Carter Jurica: 4 for 5, 2 3B, SB

Salem-Keizer: SP Edwin Escobar: 3.1 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 4 BB, 4 K

Jurica, the Giants' third rounder this year, had four hits, including his 2nd and 3rd triples.  Statistically, he has had an unimpressive pro debut with a .210/.288/.314 line through his first 105 AB.

Escobar's seventh start was his shortest of the year.  After his season-low 1 BB in his previous start, the 4 BB in this start raised his BB/IP back above 0.60.

R: The Giants had their regular off day (every fifth day)

DSL: The Giants defeated the Marlins 7-5

Dominican: C Luis Vasquez: 2 for 4, HR, 2B, SO
Dominican: SP Luis Angeles: 5.0 IP, 6 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 3 BB, 7 K--1 HR, 1 WP

Vasquez (19.4 y.o.), playing in his second DSL campaign, had his 2nd pro HR.  Making his eight start, Angeles (20.7 y.o.) allowed a season-high 4 ER, raising his ERA to 2.36.

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Situation: Tomko!

"I wanted to pick a Rockie. But I dislike the Rockies. They're not bona fide." — Jon Miller on the postgame wrap, 7/1/10

by Giant Fan in Singapore on Jul 22, 2010 11:08 AM PDT reply actions  

LOL

I wonder what happened to his psychiatrist – he was good. He’s the guy the Giants should have signed.

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by Fla-Giant on Jul 22, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Eh

That psychiatrist’s 2004 was an unsustainable fluke.

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by groug on Jul 22, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

SSS

He only ponied up for 15 min/session

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by theghostofjasonellison on Jul 22, 2010 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Labor Day = Memorial Day

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by Fla-Giant on Jul 22, 2010 11:12 AM PDT reply actions  

They all look the same

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by capn on Jul 22, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hack attack!

Nice to see it. He could be a viable emergency arm if needed. I am a fan…

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by capn on Jul 22, 2010 11:16 AM PDT reply actions  

Hey Baron, or anybody else

If you get a chance, how about getting us a description of Tommy Jo’s injury and an estimated return date? We’re now up to 3 days absence (counting Monday’s off day) since he was suddenly removed from the lineup in the middle of Sunday’s game.

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by Fla-Giant on Jul 22, 2010 11:16 AM PDT reply actions  

It’s a hamstring injury, but a strain rather than something more serious. I haven’t gotten a return date, as they consider it a day-to-day type of a deal (a big reason he hasn’t been put on the DL). There is a chance he could be in the lineup as soon as today, if the trainers and Mac clear him.

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by BruteSentiment on Jul 22, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

I figured it had to be something with his leg since they pulled him right after he grounded out to end the 4th inning. I can just imagine ToJo straining to get his butt down the line to try and beat out the throw.

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by Fla-Giant on Jul 22, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Giant doc: “So, this is a pretty clear-cut case. Tommy John is the obvious choice.”

Tommy Joe: “Wait, doc, I just felt a tug running to first, it’s really noth-”

Giant doc: “Yeah, I see that you have both wrist tendons. Have you ever considered being a donor? You only need one, ya know.”

Tommy Joe: “Uh-”

Giant doc: “GIVE US YOUR RIB!”

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by theghostofjasonellison on Jul 22, 2010 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Where the hell has Baron been?

Haven’t seen her in forevs.

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by GiantPain on Jul 22, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Limited internet access for the time being, I’m afraid.

I know, I miss her too.

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by BruteSentiment on Jul 22, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Suck it, Salt Lake!

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by Amigo on Jul 22, 2010 11:18 AM PDT reply actions  

Is anyone driving the Peguero bandwagon?

nostocks and I saw him on Tuesday and he looks good in the field and at the plate.

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by Giant Fan in Singapore on Jul 22, 2010 11:18 AM PDT reply actions  

I am on the bandwagon!

YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL

by heimy25 on Jul 22, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I started the bandwagon last year

I really like this guy and what he brings to the park. I would like to see a little more patience at the plate but he is in the Giants organization after all……

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by RichH on Jul 22, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Francisco!

Peguero’s heating up at almost the same time that he did last year. Let’s hope he can keep it up the rest of this summer like he did last summer. As usual, his big stumbling block is his plate discipline. He doesn’t project to hit for enough power to ovelook a 17.4% K-rate vs. 3.8% BB-rate. It just won’t play as he moves to higher levels. I did love the way he looked in the Future’s game, and his speed is game-changing. I would like to get an extended look at how he plays defense in the OF.

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by Fla-Giant on Jul 22, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I actually think his power will develop. And actually, if he stays in CF, a triples based .450+ SLG like he’s putting up this year would be fine. I think he’s got more in there, though.

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by Roger on Jul 22, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

though his baserunning could use some work.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 22, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was a big Peguero doubter in the last off-season round of McC Community rating. I’m coming around, but gosh, he could stand to take a few walks.

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by kennv on Jul 22, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I’m in the same boat. He’s still very raw, and the odds are huge that he won’t ever be a productive major leaguer, but I was really impressed how he held his own against the 2 elite AAA pitchers in the Futures Game (Britton and Minor) – and you can’t teach his speed and athleticism.

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by Fla-Giant on Jul 22, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m definitely on the Peguero bandwagon. Frankie now has 14 multi-hit efforts in his last 21 games.

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by Roger on Jul 22, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty high on Peguero

Though not as high on him as I was in February

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by Gobroks on Jul 23, 2010 1:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jurica

Biggest Giants 2010 draft bust*
*small sample size

His 4 hits raised his average by 30 points (not to mention his OBP and SLG) to .210, so you can imagine how poorly he’s been hitting.

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by Fla-Giant on Jul 22, 2010 11:31 AM PDT reply actions  

so you can imagine how poorly he’s been hitting.

…or how few ABs he’s had.

"I wanted to pick a Rockie. But I dislike the Rockies. They're not bona fide." — Jon Miller on the postgame wrap, 7/1/10

by Giant Fan in Singapore on Jul 22, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

so you can imagine how poorly he’s been hitting.

…or how few ABs he’s had.

"I wanted to pick a Rockie. But I dislike the Rockies. They're not bona fide." — Jon Miller on the postgame wrap, 7/1/10

by Giant Fan in Singapore on Jul 22, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Are you surprised by this?

The more I think about it, the more pissed I am about the Giants top picks. They picked some guys who have a lot of upside later in the draft, but Jurica and Brown especially don’t hold the promise that their high selections should merit.

"He made a decent attempt to put the tag on him. That's what it looked to me, and that's why I called him out."-Phil's Cuzzi

by Giant Torture on Jul 22, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like the Brown pick

Agree with you on Jurica (and I would throw Parker in the same mix), but not Brown. I think Brown has a huge upside, not to mention a high floor. He could step in today and be the best defensive CF on the Giants major league roster. Don’t fixate so much on the lack of BBs. Not having any BBs his last 2 years in college does not equate to not being able to work a walk. He had around an 8% BB-rate last summer in the Cape Cod League – while hitting .310 and displaying surprising power, and playing an outstanding CF. Meanwhile, Parker was a bust in the Cape Cod League playing at the same time for a different team.

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by Fla-Giant on Jul 22, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Parker with a wood bat

In the Cape Cod League last summer Parker hit for a woeful .188 batting average and struck out 37 times in 96 at bats, though he did draw enough walks to bolster his on base percentage to .361.

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by Fla-Giant on Jul 22, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jurica

Really not impressive on defense either. Seems to let the ball play him and tends to make off the mark throws.

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by RichH on Jul 22, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

His walk rate

is especially meaningless because he hit .400. When you’re hitting .400, you don’t walk a lot, simply because you have the ability to get a hit instead of a walk, and hits are better; think of it this way: he may not have walked a lot in his last few years in college, but he still posted an OBP over .400, which very few players do at any level. It’s like when people say “This guy hitting .350 is totally due for regression; his BABIP is .370!” without realizing that you pretty much have to have a high BABIP to post a high BA; similarly, you can’t have a high walk rate if you hit .400 (okay, so you can, but it’s very, very unlikely and you’d have to have a ridiculously high BABIP because nearly all of the balls you hit would have to fall in, and I’d be afraid of that while appreciating the OBP).

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by quincy0191 on Jul 22, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

The year before he hit .340 (not crazy by college standards). His walk rate was 4.5%, which is, by any standard, awful.

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by Cookyman on Jul 22, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

When you’re hitting .400, you don’t walk a lot,

/checks the last guy to hit .400 in the majors.
/sees a lot of walks.

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by Roger on Jul 22, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Apples and oranges

You’re talking about the majors, he was talking about college. You’re right that nobody is going to hit anywhere near .400 over a whole season, without getting a fair number of BBs, and plate discipline is needed for long-term sucess in the majors. But, Quincy is also right, that when you’re hitting well over .400 in college it’s not necessarily a bad thing that you don’t take many walks. I would add one caveat to that. It’s not necessarily a bad thing for the team, but it is a bad thing for the long-term development of said player.

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by Fla-Giant on Jul 22, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

But that’s the old argument about attention to your craft. You’re saying that if you’re playing at a level you can manage easily, then you should simply stop worrying about process. I’m saying that attention to craft, attention to process is always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always the most important thing. Process is vastly more important than results. For any craft. At any level.

This is in fact, the issue at the heart of the quote in my sig. The only thing that’s at stake, in the vast majority of ABs at all levels, is craft, professionalism, the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. I want to know that my players take that difference seriously no matter what their context is.

My Bucardo is better than yours.

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by Roger on Jul 22, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree 100% with you. I guess that I just didn’e make my point clearly enough. What I was trying to bring out was that I believe that Brown’s college coach didn’t want him, or most of his teammates, to make it a practice to work the count and try for walks. He wanted them to put the ball in play and put pressure on the other team with their disruptive speed.

When Brown got away from Fullerton State and their offensive edicts, in the summer of 2009, his BB rate more than doubled his college rate. That meant that even though his average dropped all the way down to .310, he walked enough to still have an OBP of .365.

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by Fla-Giant on Jul 22, 2010 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I get what you're saying about Brown, but

He was their 1st round pick. I just don’t see using your top pick on someone who’s ceiling is Brett Butler and I was a huge Brett Butler fan. The 1st round is for drafting impact players that you put in the middle of the order or at the top of the rotation. I just think there were better options available.

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by Giant Torture on Jul 22, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

His ceiling is higher than Butler. He has way more power than Butler, is a much faster runner, and already is a better defender in CF. Of course it’s a huge stretch to say that he’ll have as good a career as Butler, but his ceiling is, without question, higher at this point.

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by Fla-Giant on Jul 22, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Butler

While I agree that he has more power than Butler—but so do I—Butler stole over 50 bases twice and over 40 five times. That’s not only great speed, but useful speed as some people who are fast don’t translate that to the field, also Butler won a Gold Glove which doesn’t necessarily lead me to believe Brown is already better. However, I do think you’re probably right that his absolute ceiling may be higher.

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by Giant Torture on Jul 22, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

And so does my sister. LOL

I’m not putting Butler down, and I agree with what you wrote about him. No doubt Butler was fast, and he was quick, and (as you noted) he utilized his speed and quickness to the best advantage. He also was a great student at reading pitchers, and stole many of his bases by getting jumps on the pitcher. No doubt that Brown doesn’t have those baserunning chops now, and he isn’t likely to ever reach Butler’s level of technical excellence. But, he is a faster pure runner than Butler (if you ran them against each other in a 40 or 60 yard dash it wouldn’t be close). Most of Brown’s steals so far come from his raw speed. I don’t know if Brown can ever hope to be as good a basestealer as Butler was, but he doesn’t have to be as good to steal as many bases, because he has the luxury of being a faster runner.

As for D, Butler was great in CF. He was an above-average defender over his whole career, and he was a plus defender in his prime (about a 5 year period), but Brown is a plus defender right now (and already has greater range than Butler ever had), and has the potential to be plus, plus. I believe that he even can be one of the best CF defenders ever to play the game if he keeps his nose to the grindstone and has a long career. And that’s not just hyperbole. I saw Butler play 100s of games on TV and in person in the ‘80s and ’90s, I saw Mays play in the late 60s and early 70s, and I’ve seen Brown play on TV with Fullerton and on vid clips. And all the scouting reports that I’ve seen agree with me on that.

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by Fla-Giant on Jul 22, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

Brown does have a high ceiling and is a good player, but I still don’t like the pick. I think they could’ve gotten Brown with the Parker pick, but that’s total speculation.

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by Giant Torture on Jul 22, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s a whole ‘nother can of worms. I totally agree that Brown wasn’t the player that I hoped the Giants picked at #24 – considering who else was still on the board. Although I have come to like the pick better than when I first heard it. However, I don’t think that Brown would have still been there at #74. Between #24 and #74, teams took 5 other speedy CF-types, and the Angels took 2 of them:
Chevez Clarke, Ryan Bolden, Todd Cunningham, LeVon Washington, and Ryan LaMarre.
I think it’s very, very likely at least 1 of those teams would have grabbed Brown if he was still on the board.

The thing about the first 2 picks that I disliked is why pick 2 of the same type of players, that play the exact same position. In other words, once you take Brown at #24, there’s no need to take Parker at 74, unless you have big doubts that Brown won’t sign. I think the Parker pick at #74 was a huge mistake, considering Brown’s previous pick and who else was sitting there when we picked at #74

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by Fla-Giant on Jul 22, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

The top 10 picks are for middle of the order players....

…and even then, you’re looking at a success rate that’s not great.

Take a look at first rounders past #20 the past few seasons, and you won’t see a ton of middle of the order hitters or top pitchers. The Giants got one of the rare ones with Matt Cain at #25, but beyond that? You’ll see more Chris Bootchecks and Jeremy Guthries than anything else.

The Giants got a good player at the pick, a guy who is a very good shot at being a major leaguer with a couple of good tools and one plus-plus tool. It may not be power, but that’s baseball today.

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by BruteSentiment on Jul 22, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Most guys don't reach their ceiling

So just because those players didn’t ever reach high ceilings, doesn’t mean they didn’t start with high ceilings. I think as you move down the 1st round the certainty decreases, but that doesn’t mean their ceilings are that much lower. Consequently, there will be fewer Matt Cain’s and more Tony Torcato’s and Brad Hennessey’s.

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by Giant Torture on Jul 22, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

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by jctGamer on Jul 22, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

And wasn’t Matt Cain considered a bit of an overdraft back in 2002?

by steve S on Jul 23, 2010 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

I dont think so. As I recall he was a guy I saw predicted in more than 1 mock draft going to the Giants and most seemed to think that he made perfect sense in that spot — the best HS arm left going to a team that valued live armed HS pitchers. Here’s the write up from his listing in the prospect handbook that winter:


Cain was a 2002 first round pick, but he didn’t enter the year as the top prospect on his own team… but Cain seemed to get better with every start. He was just 17 when the Giants drafted him 25th overall and his youth and his tall slender build make him projectable. … SF believes Cain is on the fast track because of his work ethic. He should be one of the youngest players in the South Atlantic League this season.

Everything pretty positive. Like a lot of HS seniors he put himself on the map and ballooned up the charts with his senior year. By contrast, the year before Noah Lowry’s writeup said he was a signability pick overdraft.

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by Roger on Jul 23, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Brown with a wood bat

In the Cape Cod League last summer, Brown hit .310 and slugged .397, with 39 hits and 25 runs in 33 games. He also had 2 HRs, 14 RBI, and 10 SBs, while hitting leadoff – and he was named the starting CF for the Eastern Division in the League All-Star Game (as voted by the league coaches) at the end of the season.

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

by Fla-Giant on Jul 22, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

One more reason to like Brown

He has a hot younger sister who’s a volleyball player:
http://www.dailytitan.com/2009/12/02/meet-the-browns/

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

by Fla-Giant on Jul 22, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking of sisters in volleyball, I was a bit surprised to find a couple weeks ago while flipping through the TV channels that Luke Hochevar’s sister is a beach volleyball player.

by steve S on Jul 23, 2010 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I called Jurica this year’s Jax the day of the draft. A huge over-reach by most boards with little to no bat.

My Bucardo is better than yours.

A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.

by Roger on Jul 22, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hacker! Nice.

Why was Velez called up over Rohlinger again?

Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!

Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.

by scout6 on Jul 22, 2010 11:43 AM PDT reply actions  

Because

Brian Sabean is a douche-bag.

"He made a decent attempt to put the tag on him. That's what it looked to me, and that's why I called him out."-Phil's Cuzzi

by Giant Torture on Jul 22, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not enough VROOOOOOMMM!!!

Buser Posey: He knows the rules!

by kdl on Jul 22, 2010 11:51 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

hits lefty,

I think Bochy said that. I predicted he’d get an AB last night but I was wrong again.

proud, yes I said proud, adoptive papa of "Geno" Eugenio Velez

by foothillsfan on Jul 22, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

So more of the Bochy matchups dogma?

I’d rather have the best player available to me, regardless of the side from which he bats, but I guess I’m not a major league manager for a reason.

Buser Posey: He knows the rules!

by kdl on Jul 22, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

VROOOOM!

Clank.
Huh?

"I never think I’m a good player or a bad player. This is what I’m thinking: I can play. And I want to play." - Juan Uribe

by EliminateMe on Jul 22, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Chirs Lofton

He was caught stealing for the 1st time this season, making is SB line 8 out of 9.

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

by Fla-Giant on Jul 22, 2010 11:51 AM PDT reply actions  

LINE DRIVE BASE HIT RIGHT FIELD

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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by jctGamer on Jul 22, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

LINE DRIVE, BASE HIT, CAUGHT!

Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!

Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.

by scout6 on Jul 22, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

THATS NOT WHAT HAPPENED TO KENNY LOFT-1

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry

by jctGamer on Jul 22, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

/cue Mike Krukow

Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.

by Cody_ransom on Jul 22, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Trade preparations?

Bobby Evans, Fred Stanley, Will Clark, and Mr. Bowtie were all at the game in Richmond last night. Could one of the reasons be that they were looking at which guys they want to put on the trading blocks?
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/sports/2010/jul/22/squi22-ar-346333/

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

by Fla-Giant on Jul 22, 2010 12:45 PM PDT reply actions  

or maybe they’re checking on Belt to see if he can follow the Sandoval in 08 path.

The Giants don’t fare well against pitchers.

by SF Pete on Jul 22, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Evans was in Augusta earlier this week for Mac's milestone...

…so I wouldn’t put much stock on his trip alone, but all four? That is a good question.

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by BruteSentiment on Jul 22, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is exactly the reason

why so much of the brass is at Richmond right now. The AA team has been heavily scouted by other teams for almost a month now.

Responsible for the last great homegrown Giants team.

by Al Rosen on Jul 22, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now I'm scared.

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry

by jctGamer on Jul 22, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

God, I love having Clark back in the fold.

by kaliber on Jul 22, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder if he wore eye-black during the game. Man that was one competitive and intense ballplayer.

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

by Fla-Giant on Jul 22, 2010 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

How exactly is Bowtie helping here?

Adopted Nut: Paraparaumu, New Zealand native, Andy Skeels

by capn on Jul 23, 2010 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

It wasn't mentioned in yesterday's Minor Lines

So I’ll put it out there today: Dave Machemer won his 1,400th game as a minor league manager on Tuesday.

Pretty big achievement for the guy. He’s been at this a long time. I’ve had the pleasure of meeting and talking with him and he is one of the game’s best storytellers I’ve ever met.

Here’s a link to a story I posted about him last year. Usually this is our subscriber-only content, but I think those of you that follow the minors would enjoy getting to know one of the managers in charge down there, especially if you’ve followed his Giants career since he started in Norwich for the team.

"The knowledge of the game is inversely proportional to the price of the seat." ---Bill Veeck. •Check out the new look of SFDugout.com

by BruteSentiment on Jul 22, 2010 1:03 PM PDT reply actions  

You know what makes no sense at all

Velez being on the team instead of Rohlinger.

My Son. Dude hits inside the parkers and takes walks.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
I am a Bochy hater and a Sabean apologist.

by GiantPain on Jul 22, 2010 2:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Vroom!

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry

by jctGamer on Jul 22, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anyone get an update on Rosin’s possible injury or whatever’s sidelined him for the last couple weeks?

by MNGopher21 on Jul 22, 2010 11:20 PM PDT reply actions  

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