The deadline cometh
by Grant Brisbee on Jul 21, 2010 12:44 PM PDT
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PrintIf yesterday’s post was too safe, too cynical, then I’ll make up for it with a premature declaration. They have pills for that now, but I don’t care. Here goes:
I think that the Giants should trade away the farm to get Pablo Sandoval and Buster Posey some help in the lineup. This, because Sandoval is clearly back to being the hitter he was last year, and because Posey is clearly an offensive force.
Too soon? Probably. Tough. I don’t like it when people pretend they’re qualified to psychoanalyze athletes. This player is confident, that player is too distracted...that kind of stuff is usually for people looking for evidence to support a conclusion, not for people looking for data points to develop a conclusion. But danged if Pablo doesn’t look like an entirely different, confident player. His at-bat against Francisco Rodriguez -- a calm, measured at-bat in which Pablo actively tried to earn a walk so the tying run could get to the plate -- was not only magnificent, but it was unthinkable just a couple of weeks ago. Pablo’s back. I don’t care if you vultures think I’m going to jinx him.
So Sandoval will be better, if only because I say so, and while Posey probably isn’t going to hit .350 for the rest of the season, he’s also not going to drag the offense down with a sub-.300 OBP like his predecessor. The offense is instantly better than what we had to watch in May. But they need help. Maybe another outfielder. Probably another reliever. And I’m willing to trade everyone in the minor leagues right now.
Well, there are some caveats. I’m willing to trade Brandon Belt only in a package for an All Star-type under contract for 2011. The same probably goes for Thomas Neal. Note that both of those players probably aren’t going to be enough for that kind of player, so I’m sort of implying that I wouldn’t trade them. But if the right package came along, no minor leaguer is off-limits.
Another caveat is that I’d like a smart trade. Breaking news! Replacing whomever the Giants have been using as a third outfielder -- Burrell, Rowand, Schierholtz -- with a minor upgrade isn’t worth the farm. That seems obvious, but it’s worth writing. Getting someone just to get someone isn’t a good idea.
A smart team would do well to trade for John Bowker. While I think he has as much of a chance to help the Giants right now as Corey Hart -- if Bowker drives you nuts swinging at bad balls, you’ll love Hart -- I’m also resigned to the fact that the Giants aren’t willing to play him now, and they probably aren’t willing to do it next year. He’ll be another team’s Jayson Werth, and then we can try to trade for him after he’s making millions in arbitration, right before he reaches free agency. That’s the Giants Way. So right now, the Giants should try to leverage Bowker as much as possible and get some value out of him.
I don’t have any great ideas right now -- I’m not ready to write some fawning, bleating post about David DeJesus or Lance Berkman yet -- but the last two weeks have filled me with the kind of irrational confidence that forces people to make bad decisions. It feels good. But I don’t want to wait for Barry Zito to have another good season. I don’t want to wait another decade for the Giants to find a good first baseman. I don't want to assume that Andres Torres is going to do another vintage Carlos Beltran impression next year. I don’t want to assume that Cain and Lincecum are going to stay good and healthy. I don’t want to assume that Posey isn’t going to turn into pure energy and ascend to the heavens.This is probably as good a chance as the Giants are going to have for a while.
All in. Kind of.
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Does DeJesus remind anyone else of F. Sanchez? DeJesus looks like the type of player Sabean loves.
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
Other than the position and skillset!
My Son. Dude hits inside the parkers and takes walks.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
I am a Bochy hater and a Sabean apologist.
On first glance he did
But DeJesus is actually much better than Mole
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John Bowker: One of the 3 best OF's on the Giants roster
by Gobroks on Jul 21, 2010 1:06 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
All those Mexicans look the same…
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I second that.
SHUT THE FUCK UP. YOU NO KNOW WHAT YOU TALK ABOUT.
by russian.tank on Jul 21, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m with this thinking. Make a trade. Get a real bat. I don’t care how many prospects it costs. Win it all. Please. I’m sick of watching, knowing that we’re in that little 5 year window of killer pitching. Get a bat. Get two. Whatever. Brandon Crawford can’t win us a World Series this year. Nor can Pill. Or Belt. Or Wheeler. I really, really want to watch this team win a trophy before I die. Please.
by SixFourThree on Jul 21, 2010 12:52 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
i'm in
the other line. trading away the farm to maybe make the playoffs? and doom the franchise to 3 or 5 or 8 years of mediocrity for an outside chance of maybe winning it all?
not me.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.
But...but...
the NL finally has home-field advantage in the World Series this year! (Thank you, Jonathan Broxton!)
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
8 years of mediocrity?
Buster ain’t havin’ it
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How old are you? Are you that close to death that a trophy must come before December?
The Magic is inside all of us.
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YES!
WIN NOW, dammit!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 21, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
We're behind only the Cubs and Indians.
And San Francisco does not have a World Series.
I don’t think it’s too far out to have a little- a little- urgency. I don’t want to become #2 on that list.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Jul 21, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
TBH, I’m only 25. I want the push now, mostly because of the awesomeness of the current pitching staff. The offense is improved over previous years, and while the pitching has regressed, it’s still damn good. This team is very seriously a top 10 squad, and could easily be pushed higher with a big time trade.
Also, I’d really, really like to see a WS with my Dad. God knows he’s been waiting a long, long time for it.
And, yeah, I know it sounds cheesy. Dammit.
by SixFourThree on Jul 21, 2010 1:30 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I get you. We wasted the BEST OFFENSIVE PLAYER TO EVER PLAY BASEBALL. I don’t want to waste what we can reasonably expect to be one of the best starters of his generation just a decade later.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Jul 21, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Several playoff shots and a world series appearance ain’t chopped liver.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 21, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
No, they’re not. And I had a blast in 2000 and 2002. But you don’t play baseball for World Series appearances.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Jul 21, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you watch it for World Series appearances?
The Magic is inside all of us.
Proud father of the man taking your hard-earned money.
I'm in it . . .
. . . for The Torture . . . since 1958.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Jul 21, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Likewise, since 1959
What makes the torture so exquisite is that baseball seasons are so long.
Right now, I believe in these guys and have high hopes for the prospects.
Not in favor of Lebron-type shit and taking the easy road. Let’s win on our own or die trying.
"My My, Hey Hey .... GIDP is here to stay."
Bork Never Sleeps
Aren't we all?
Don’t get me wrong, I love baseball, love sitting down with a nice sandwich and KNBR on a Sunday afternoon and all the things that make baseball such a wonderful part of life. The journey is part of the fun. But the journey is supposed to have an end (of sorts) with a World Series title. Anything less than that, while still wonderful and worthwhile, is a disappointment.
And I don’t mean we need to go all Steinbrenner. We needn’t be expected to be a dynasty (though I’ll take it). But as someone who had season tickets with my mom in 1991, I want to see the Giants win a World Series, and I don’t want to reach the point where I wonder if I ever will see it in my lifetime.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Jul 21, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
But the name of the game is to get into (or at least be in real contention for) the playoffs for several consecutive years… make a team that will be good for an extended period. That’s the best way to go for a WS championship. Blowing your load for THIS YEAR OMG is self destructive in the long run.
These opinions are my own, no warranty is implied or intended.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 21, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
OneFourThree!
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Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 21, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Belt really doesn’t seem that far away from the majors – I would really hesitate before including him in a deal.
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IA
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IA
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, who is currently having a second half renaissance
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
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TWICE!
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I didnt understand either of them.
/clueless
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
yes
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In Amsterdam
where everybody is stoned. It’s not a compliment.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Jul 21, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Just keepin' the devil . . .
. . . down in his hole.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Jul 21, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it's "I agree"
And, as I type this, Goofus beats me to it.
/always comes first joke
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Awesome movie
Much better than the Departed
by calbearjd on Jul 21, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
not difficult
Departed sucked atmo
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.
This. I didn’t see Internal Affairs, but thought that the Departed blew, so it’s not hard to believe that something else is better.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
I thought it was okay. Jack Nicholson wasn’t very good in it.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I've had it sitting around from Netflix for about a week
Should I watch it after tonight’s game?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
Dumb as it may seem…. I’d make that deal in a heartbeat.
Feel free to point and call me names.
by SixFourThree on Jul 21, 2010 1:36 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Consider that although Dunn is off to an incredible start this year, his defensive issues have sapped his value in the past. His fielding numbers this year are significantly better than they’ve ever been before in his career. The move to first is part of it, but I’d still be very concerned.
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I just can't imagine you could be THAT unvaluable as a 1B on defense.
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Well you’re kind of inherently unvaluable on defense if you play first. If you then also aren’t very good at first base, it’s a problem.
To his credit, Dunn’s defensive numbers at first this year are fairly average but we don’t really know what that means, if it means anything at all.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
is the WAR position value at 1B negative?
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Yes
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
wow
interesting
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is that a surprise?
it’s generally considered to be at the bottom of the defensive spectrum
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"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
yeah, I just figured it would be like 0 or something
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The positional adjustment they use is -12.5 runs over 700 PA's (600 PA's?)
Considering most years, the best 1B UZR score comes to like +8, it’s hard to be a “plus” defender at first when taking into account the position.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
I tend to think the “over-valuing”(sp?) of 1B defense is funny. I have seen, understand, and get that he’s full of clank. But it’s not as though he’d commit a crippling error every other game. IMO, his unbelievable offense more than makes up for his horrid defense. I’m not saying stick him in RF. Put the dude at 1st, and tell our infielders to make the damn throws.
by SixFourThree on Jul 21, 2010 1:45 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
agreed
but my sig would tell you that
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LOL, can’t see sigs in my iPhone.
Damn. Now I want to know what it says, just to be sure you’re not making fun of me.
by SixFourThree on Jul 21, 2010 2:09 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
There are quite a few, but I think this is the one:
“You can shake a dozen glove men out of a tree, but the bat separates the men from the boys.” – Washington Senators First baseman Dale Long
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Dale Long=Clank
Believe me, I saw him. he would say that.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Jul 21, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I should do some pruning.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
"You can shake a dozen glove men out of a tree, but the bat separates the men from the boys." - Washington Senators First baseman Dale Long
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
for one year of Dunn? I wouldn’t be okay with it.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
an extension on Dunn where he's paid what he would need to be paid for an extension vs
6 years of Belt under team control
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Yeah
If we trade Belt, it has to be for a player with a few more arb-eligible years. Otherwise it just doesn’t make sense.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
we're agreeing a lot today
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i disagree
They'll win tomorrow...
Tomorrow: They'll win tomorrow...
by howtheydidntscore on Jul 21, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed.
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by RaymondStone.com on Jul 21, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m really not sure how well Dunn is going to age into his 30s.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Also
I really feel like he’s going to be a DH-only capable player within a few years.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Really? You don’t think Dunn will ever end up as a full time DH?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
He hates baseball too much
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It’s what he should be right now.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 21, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
And we know how much Sabean loves ships that have sailed.
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Brian is very nautical.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 21, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
how is that?
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It's one of those car-boats
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You can kick the recycled ones they use for bumpers.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 21, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Just go, Every6thday. Just go…
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 21, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder whether they’re preparing to trade Zack Wheeler. He’s pitching in short stints, he was sent to the Futures Game quickly after coming back from injury and the front office keeps saying the team doesn’t want to part with any of the Starting Five already in the rotation.
I’m not opposed to trading Wheeler or Belt, but, damn it, they better make it a worthwhile upgrade.
And, yes, I’m starting to believe. It’s irrational, I know, but I think I love this team.
It’s a lovable team, with Molina & Wellemeyer replaced by the kids. Even Aaron Rowand doesn’t piss me off as much as he used to.
Aaron Rowand the 4th OF doesn’t bother me as much
I just wish Bochy would play Torres in CF when they’re both playing
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Yeah, that’s infuriating, but it doesn’t make much difference on the field, and I can imagine that pretending Rowand is still important could be helpful to morale.
I think they are afraid to move Rowand around… Torres has shown the ability to play any field well and Rowand hasn’t.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 21, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Trade Wheeler!
Fresh top-10 pick up for grabs… our staff is pretty damn young, we can afford to deal him for some immediate help! As long as nobody notices he’s been throwing junk out of the ’pen in A-ball…
can't
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uh, yeah
I’m sure a team is gonna give us full value for a PTBNL..no thanks. He’s worth a lot more on the Giants than in a trade.
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?
the teams can agree to a Wheeler trade, its not like the Giants would say “we’ll give you a mysterious PTBNL and you MIGHT get lucky and it could be Wheeler!”
Thing A
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Grab-bag trade!
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hawt
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 21, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
When PTBNL are traded the teams agree upon a list of prospects and a date. On that date the other team picks it prospect.
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by say hey nation on Jul 21, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
The Giants can designate him as a PTBNL while actually agreeing to deal him
It gets around that whole 1-year thing.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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Umm…been over a year right?
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by say hey nation on Jul 21, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Does that start at the time he is drafted, or from the time he signs?
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jul 21, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
signs, but he signed early I thought.
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by say hey nation on Jul 21, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not ready to write some fawning, bleating post about David DeJesus or Lance Berkman yet — but the last two weeks have filled me with the kind of irrational confidence that forces people to make bad decisions.
I would have to agree. Your post reeks of my dreams last night. I had been able to hold off my irrational exuberance until last night. Now I may be forced to seek medical help before I start ranting incoherently about the Giants needing to make a trade.
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Last time I'll post this...
Save the rotation + Wilson, Huff, Posey, Sandoval, Uribe and Torres, I would probably trade anybody to get Adam Dunn and then sign him to an extension.
Not no bloody Werth, DeJesus, Hart or Berkman.
Sabean aint havin it
likes washups more than strikeouts
They'll win tomorrow...
Tomorrow: They'll win tomorrow...
by howtheydidntscore on Jul 21, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
He says he wouldn’t trade any of those people.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 21, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't care if he is a rental
The Giants should be looking in to acquiring Werth. The only thing I would be against is trading someone in the current rotation.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 21, 2010 12:55 PM PDT reply actions
I agree. Werth is a massive, immediate upgrade. And, if all we’re talking about about is making a serious run this year, his status as FA next year isn’t relevant.
Buser Posey: He knows the rules!
he's a 4 WAR player
over half a season, 2 WAR.
But Giants non-Torres OFs aren’t zero WAR. They are probably worth about 3.0 collectively over 2 positions (RF/LF). Call it 0.75 over the remainder of the season.
And Werth IS a massive upgrade… but you are talking <1.5 wins. I would not trade any part of the future for that.
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Especially if the Phillies are "aggressively" trying to
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by Gobroks on Jul 21, 2010 1:08 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Dammit
*especially if they’re trying aggressively to move him. I mean they “aggressively” moved Cliff Lee and got a horrible return for him.
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Grab Some Pine, Meat
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by Gobroks on Jul 21, 2010 1:10 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I read that as “Especially if the Phillies are ’aggressively trying to Dammit” and it made me lol.
Just thought I’d share.
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by Prussian Creole on Jul 21, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Werth looks like he might even turn out to be a bargain. Though he may get bid up if there are enough teams interested.
I’m also kind of embarassed to admit I was secretly lusting in my heart for Dunn when we rolled through DC last roadtrip. I think he’ll fetch too much though.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
how is that embarrassing?
Dunn is super valuable at 1B
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Saw dingerz, wanted player.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
well that is basically what Dunn is about
Dingerz and walks, which are 2 things I love.
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thats fetch
They'll win tomorrow...
Tomorrow: They'll win tomorrow...
by howtheydidntscore on Jul 21, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Stop trying to make fetch happen!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 21, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Fetch is streets behind.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 21, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I heard that Tigers are down on Miggy, I bet a Neal and Wheeler get that done!
Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!
by say hey nation on Jul 21, 2010 12:56 PM PDT reply actions
is this for real?
because hell yes.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.
If that's for real...
There’s someone that might be worth a Sanchez or Bumgardner.
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by Giant Torture on Jul 21, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Lol
no, he would DEFINITELY be worth BOTH of them, actually. I wouldn’t do that deal, but in a vacuum Cabrera is way better.
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aside:
It seems that most people, even those who should know better, pronounce Madison’s last name as though there is a “D” in it.
There is no “D” in “Bumgarner.”
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.
this
huge pet peeve of mine as well
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really?
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He raises hobos in his garden.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 21, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I love the word hobo.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
It reminds me of depression era guys with knapsacks on sticks hopping trains.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 21, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
One of my favorite halloween costumes as a kid. Possibly my first bindle (“knapsack
on a stick” as you call it).
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
…or interim bindles between then and now.
I have a couple of ratty old shirts that my wife calls my hobo clothes:
“youre not wearing that hobo shirt to the game are you?”
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Are you old enough to remember Hobo Kelly?
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 21, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Red Skelton character? If so, barely.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
It was a kids TV show from the late 60’s early 70’s.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 21, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Ahhh, role models.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 21, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
It was either that or the acid trip known as Lidsville!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 21, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Lidsville ruled!
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 21, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
According to John Hodgman my equating of hobos and bums is offensive to hobos since they were always willing to work while riding the rails.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 21, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
“Lets find a way to unload this potential triple crown winner”
I would like to talk to you about my pokemonz
Warning*- This was a joke! Someone suggested it seriously last week.
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by say hey nation on Jul 21, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree
And I’d toss Neal in there too. The way Belt is playing his timetable keeps getting shorter and shorter, who knows he could be someone who contributes something this year, although I don’t think much. Sell the farm, and go for it this year. The Giants starters in the playoffs would be awesome and they’ve shown they can beat other team’s number 1’s like Halliday, Jiminez and now Kershaw.
"Triple A baseball isn’t very good. I’m going to tell you that right now. Especially from a pitching standpoint. Anybody who can pitch is in the big league." -BS
"YOU'RE A PAIN IN MY ASS! STOP BEING THAT" - Mel Gibson
I vaguely remember another thread with the same message and I also remember the Giants losing 7 in a row thereafter.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 21, 2010 12:58 PM PDT reply actions
How do we do a reverse jinx?
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by Giant Torture on Jul 21, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d feel better about our odds if I felt we were a team that could get hot and go on a 12-game winning streak.
As it is, 5 is the most games we’ve won in a row in the last few seasons. We just don’t have the type of offense that can sustain that kind of streak.
I posted that before the game on July 6 and the Giants have gone 11-1 10-2 since.
They could be Giants...but not really.
yeah, it's 11-1 though
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give birth to a unicorn
They'll win tomorrow...
Tomorrow: They'll win tomorrow...
by howtheydidntscore on Jul 21, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
man I loved this movie
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just like inception!
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It's like christopher nolan is awesome or something!
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Who would have thought?
My adopted son is RHP Steve Edlefsen, no longer above Gerald Posey on the catching depth chart!
I’m in this boat. Just saw it for the first time a few weeks ago.
Jeaaaggaahh
by Soulbrother16 on Jul 21, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
!OTNEMEM
My adopted son is RHP Steve Edlefsen, no longer above Gerald Posey on the catching depth chart!
Only one reason you have a farm system: to plug holes at the major league level.
That’s either via call-up or trade. The problem has always been that Sabean has treated the farm like a thirteen year old treats his Sims family. Now that the organization has seen fit to treat it with some TLC, the notion of emptying it for a run (which is likely in-line with SabeThink) is not so ludicrous. It’s a harvest, not a salting.
by Every6thDay on Jul 21, 2010 1:01 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
We should trade for a Morneau-type player.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Posey for Morneau?
or did you mean a “Moreau-type player”?
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
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by delorean on Jul 21, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Moreau
Now that would be interesting, I bet he’d love to get his hands on Sabes and Bork.
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by Giant Torture on Jul 21, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
make a 3-assed monkey out of them
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.
Yeah
But I mean something different from them.
"Triple A baseball isn’t very good. I’m going to tell you that right now. Especially from a pitching standpoint. Anybody who can pitch is in the big league." -BS
"YOU'RE A PAIN IN MY ASS! STOP BEING THAT" - Mel Gibson
by Giant Torture on Jul 21, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I would only be fine with giving up Belt if it were for a TRUE power hitter like Adam Dunn, Mark Reynolds, Prince Fielder, or Dan Uggla
by 49erEmpire on Jul 21, 2010 1:05 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Of those I would take Reynolds. Dude hits bombs and even though he’s known as a butcher he’s looked pretty good at 3B every time I’ve watched.
Kyle Stratford : Brian Sabean :: Toby Flenderson : Michael Scott
would rather have Dunn
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because he's more valuable?
Reynolds is OK, but replaces about half the walks Dunn will give you with Ks. I know Dunn Ks a lot too, but not nearly as much.
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I love Dunn,
but I would take either player. I think a right handed bat like Reynolds would play great at AT&T… I just think Dunn’s left-handed power plays well anywhere.
I can’t in good conscience support trading high prospects for a player we could’ve signed a year or so ago.
Quietly hoping Brandon Belt develops into John Olerud, circa 1993.
by AndOnTheDrums... on Jul 21, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, where were these people a year ago? People were ridiculing the idea if bringing in Dunn. I was pro-Dunn before Dunn was cool!
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Uhhh dude
so was I. I always thought it was retarded that they signed Huff over him. LOLME. But I’ve always wanted Dunn.
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I was pro-Dunn when he was with the Reds!
I love Adam Dunn, perhaps too much. I want his swinging, I want his home runs, I can live with his Bad Defense.
this this and more this
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Right. Because Dunn’s defense gets glowing reviews from the Strawhats.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
And he looks so great out there.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
In Dunn’s case, the strawhats can claim ribeyes.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 21, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
But not oozers
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 21, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
a lot of people were also ridiculing the idea of being buyers at the trade deadline just a few days ago
Thing A
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this
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Mark Reynolds threatened the lives of at least 20 spectators last weekend in San Diego with erratic throws, and his skill at charging slow hit balls is about as developed as yours and mine.
I haven’t looked up his fielding stats so it may just be the games I’ve happened to see but IMHO he has improved his defense.
Kyle Stratford : Brian Sabean :: Toby Flenderson : Michael Scott
Also, he only had 1 error in that series against SD.
Kyle Stratford : Brian Sabean :: Toby Flenderson : Michael Scott
mmm, errors as a statistical measure. i was at all 3 games. he is a hack. twp times he was saved by the ball ricocheting back off the wall and preventing the runner from going to 2B on infield singles… i wouldn’t rule out a good hitter based on defense, but i wouldn’t want anyone hitting him a ball in close games late either.
Sitting from my bar stool he still looks pretty terrible, to me.
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jul 21, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Hunt for Orange October?
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Well done.
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by Prussian Creole on Jul 21, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
There is no "type" of player I don't want to trade for
I’m fine with rentals, since we get picks if they’re good and next year’s draft will be stacked.
I’m fine with people who have another year of control, because I’m optimistic about 2011.
I just want SOMEONE. For the right price, David DeJesus, Prince Fielder, Lance Berkman, Adam Dunn, Jayson Werth… any of them would upgrade this team, some more significantly than others.
Let’s fucking do it. Aubrey Huff is hitting like Willie Stargel. If that’s not a sign from the baseball gods, I don’t know what you’re waiting for.
My Son. Dude hits inside the parkers and takes walks.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
I am a Bochy hater and a Sabean apologist.
In other words, we have to do something now before the magic that’s inside goes outside.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
I concur.
A lot of different players could be a good fit for the right price and I can’t stress right price enough.
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by Giant Torture on Jul 21, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
lol sabean is the one trading
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Point
Counterpoint, but he did make a good deal for Molina.
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by Giant Torture on Jul 21, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
That's the kind of deal he does well
trading for an impact player? Not so much.
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Can't argue with that.
So many bad memories come flooding to my mind.
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by Giant Torture on Jul 21, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
All the players Sabean trades for are impact players
You’re just biased because none of them have good impacts.
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by GiantPain on Jul 21, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This
Wrecked.
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by Giant Torture on Jul 21, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
DERRR AUBREY HAS DONE EXACTLY WHAT WAS PREDICTED DERRR
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Man, that was a great thread, too.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 21, 2010 1:10 PM PDT reply actions
TRADER'S REGRET
How’s this for symmetry? In the same week that Buster Posey was the NL player of the week, Bengie Molina was the AL player of the week.
I'm sure there are douchebags who think this means it was a bad move
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Bengie should be given Player of the Month for just reaching 3rd base.
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
He should be happy
That he didn’t have a heart attack.
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by Giant Torture on Jul 21, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
IT'S A CARP
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by 49erEmpire on Jul 21, 2010 1:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I really don’t want Corey Hart, and the Nats are asking for a ton for Dunn.
Nationals GM Mike Rizzo is keeping other front office members in the dark about what’s happening, reports Adam Kilgore of the Washington Post, but one thing is clear: Rizzo would need to be overwhelmed to trade Adam Dunn, Josh Willingham, or Matt Capps.
"The problem Kenny (Williams) is finding out is that Rizzo is acting like Dunn is Ryan Howard,’’ the source said.
That doesn’t sound like a negotiation I trust Sabean with.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 21, 2010 1:15 PM PDT reply actions
I agree with both of these things
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by Gobroks on Jul 21, 2010 1:16 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Rizzo should trade all those 3 for prospects that will be ready in 2-3 years. They could have a great team centered around Harper, Strasburg, Zimmerman, Zimmermann and Desmond.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 21, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
That Cuban pitcher they signed should be pretty good too
Also, FWIW they have Willingham & Capps under team control for next year so they can trade him next year if they don’t like the offers.
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by Gobroks on Jul 21, 2010 1:22 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Capps is having a great season though. I would sell high, and start training Storen, another great young player, to be closer.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 21, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
That's true
It would be the perfect time to sell high on him
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by Gobroks on Jul 21, 2010 1:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Rizzo seems to be handling this poorly so far. Maybe he does caves as the deadline gets close
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He has to keep people coming to the stadium, but with a few more good prospects, they could have a championship caliber team in 5-7 years, if not sooner.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 21, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Strasburg and Zimmerman can do that. People dont come to the park to see Josh Willingham and Matt Capps
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Well, if they trade Willingham and Dunn, Zimmerman will be the only attraction for the four days Strasburg isn’t pitching. Couple that with a brand new closer who will probably make a few mistakes, the Nationals will be pretty awful for the next 2 years or so.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 21, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
If they take their licks for those seasons,they’ll be built for a dynasty for the next several years
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Exactly, but it doesn’t appear that Rizzo wants to make that tradeoff.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 21, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I agree
He doesn’t really seem open to negotiating. But hey, he’s doing a better job than Jim Bowden
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by Gobroks on Jul 21, 2010 1:30 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Rizzo should trade all those 3 for prospects that will be ready in 2-3 years. They could have a great team centered around Harper, Strasburg, Zimmerman, Zimmermann and Desmond.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 21, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I think
Rizzo should trade all those 3 for prospects that will be ready in 2-3 years. They could have a great team centered around Harper, Strasburg, Zimmerman, Zimmermann and Desmond.
Kyle Stratford : Brian Sabean :: Toby Flenderson : Michael Scott
Rizzo is running that franchise into the ground
This is how bad teams get worse: refusing to trade valuable assets because they’re ‘fan favorites’ and losing out on any potential value they might have for you.
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My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
I am a Bochy hater and a Sabean apologist.
Remember the Alfonso Soriano situation?
Soriano was about to become a free agent and the Nationals were asking too much for him. So they didn’t trade him and he left anyways. I could see the same thing happening with Dunn.
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lol thinking Howard is a good player
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He is. He’s just not a star player.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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Yeah,
but saying “treating him like he’s ryan howard” makes it sound like Ryan Howard is like untouchable or something.
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LOL CONTRACT
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Good call
Dunn is, after all, better than Ryan Howard.
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yeah, this
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Is this considering contracts?
because Howard’s career OPS is better, and I have to imagine he is a less-bad defender, though Dunn does play more positions.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 21, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
keep in mind that OBP is wayyyyyyyyy more valuable than SLG
so OPS can be misleading.
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Career wOBA
Howard – .394
Dunn – .385
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 21, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Interesting
but the fact remains, it’s not absurd to compare the two. They’re pretty similarly valuable.
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the last three years
Howard has a .903 OPS and 132 OPS+
Dunn has a .920 OPS and 140 OPS+
I was exaggerating – with defense taken into account, Dunn probably isn’t better than Howard (and if he is, it probably isn’t significantly so)
But he’s certainly around the same level
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it's not like it's outrageous to compare them,
as the dolt in the story thought.
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Yeah I will give you that, and Dunn actually strikes out less than Howard. I didn’t realize they were that close. Howards has been declining the past few seasons.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 21, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Howard is probably one of the most overrated players in baseball. He’s a very good first baseman, but he doesn’t deserve the attention he gets.
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Well, not many players can hit 60 HRs. I think people keep expecting him to reach his really good seasons again, since he isn’t that old.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 21, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
No, thats exactly how old I thought he was. Thats not that old.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 21, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
The bigger they are, the quicker they go.
The Magic is inside all of us.
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Isn’t Dunn the same age?
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 21, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Chicks dig the LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG Ball and we all know what they say about black guys…
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by say hey nation on Jul 21, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
hmmm
Is Ryan Howard really better than Dunn? I’m not at all sure that’s the case. It’s certainly not some chasm of value between the two of them.
They are almost exactly the same age, which may be part of this confusion, since Dunn has been around a lot longer. Howard is all of 10 days younger than Dunn.
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heh.
well, my work computer is doing awesome on this thread.
Just posted that, and then show up the flood of comments from 2 hours ago saying what I was saying.
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Here's a trade I think we would all go for...
Aaron Rowand for John Bowker
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by Giant Torture on Jul 21, 2010 1:17 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
i'd throw in Renteria to get that done
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Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.
Have to throw in Bochy too though.
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by Giant Torture on Jul 21, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
lemme think it over...
OK.
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Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.
Look on the bright side
He could school the AAA umps on the rules and he’d have no choice but to play the young guys.
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by Giant Torture on Jul 21, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Whats our salary situation for next year?
Anyone know off the top of their head?
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Has been a real boon for the Giants, regardless what everyone thinks about it, and I think they’re committed for about 75-80 million, but could jump to over 110.
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by Giant Torture on Jul 21, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
bow tie has way more than enough money to make a big move
by 49erEmpire on Jul 21, 2010 1:20 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
From Cot's Contracts
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=t4r9nky1EouVJsFXQlv3FKQ&output=html
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Yup
76.9 mil.
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by Giant Torture on Jul 21, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Is BLB still on the payroll
or have they finally finished paying him off his deferred money?
I think this season is the last year he gets paid
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John Bowker: One of the 3 best OF's on the Giants roster
Aside from DeJesus & Fielder
I wouldn’t mind seeing the Giants go after Luke Scott from the Orioles. He can play 1B/LF, though apparently he is extremely streaky.
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by Gobroks on Jul 21, 2010 1:19 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Career .851 OPS. Hes 32. Probably be cheap. I could take a flier, but I’m not sure if he would be a big enough upgrade to be worth it.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 21, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Lowest SLG in his career is .472
So he’d be a good power bat
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by Gobroks on Jul 21, 2010 1:25 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I’d rather call up Bowker than trade anything for Scott
Thing A
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He probably wouldn't cost much though
And it would allow us to get better defense in the outfield.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
I am very worried about a trade
The players we would need to go after all seem to have high asking prices.
I still think we have the improvement we need on the team already. If Panda really has turned it around, then we have Huff, Posey and Sandoval all contributing. If Bowker could get some consistent playing time I think he could definitely add to the mix.
We have a player that could help us, and he is being screwed out of the chance and may force us to overcommitt to bring in a player.
Also, in regards to Werth. He strikes me as another who would not enjoy playing here. He has publicly stated that his hits seem to die here, and I do not think he would supply the power we need.
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Totally agree
Not to mention that for the Giants to make a deal, Sabean will have to be involved.
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by Giant Torture on Jul 21, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Bowker, playing time???
Surely you must be joking, not happening this year. He knows he’s on a short leash anytime he comes up by now… He’s got AAAA written all over him, until he busts loose for another squad.
I want the Giants to get a decent outfielder or a short stop. The OF I’d target is DeJesus, as he seems like a reasonable option to obtain. I don’t know which SS are available though.
Me too, attitude be damned.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 21, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes
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by Prussian Creole on Jul 21, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you think it would be possible to trade every single player in the minor leagues plus Renteria for Hanley? We could throw in cash.
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Hell, throw in the Oakland A's while you're at it as P(s)TBNL
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Uh, Jack Wilson, Ryan Theriot?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 21, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, don’t get your hopes up. I haven’t seen any reports hinting that the Giants might be looking for a SS. If Renteria isn’t cutting it, we have Uribe who is probably one of our better hitters, though not lately.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 21, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
JeffFletcherAOL
#sfgiants, #rangers and #angels among the teams that have shown interest in Ty Wigginton this month.
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That sounds terrible
How much is he making right now? He’s rather average as an offensive player, and a terrible fielder.
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He's fairly cheap
He was owed 3.5M at the start of the year…so probably under 2M the rest of the way
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by Gobroks on Jul 21, 2010 1:33 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Jeff Fletcher is a talking mound of shit.
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He only has 13 innings there, with the Orioles last year. He had a 1.000 fielding percentage and a .5 UZR.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 21, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
ALL FAT TEAM!
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by say hey nation on Jul 21, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
We already have a fat SS
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 21, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait Wigginton plays SS?
I thought he was 1B, 2B, 3B guy
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Also, I don't know if I'm giving Grant too much credit here
But I appreciate the connection between the irrational exuberance/pipe dreams of the trade deadline and one of my favorite plays.
Grant, are you the iceman? When do you confess to the murder?
My Son. Dude hits inside the parkers and takes walks.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
I am a Bochy hater and a Sabean apologist.
I'm with Grant
Don’t disturb what is working on the big club. Guys in the minors are fair game.
One thing to keep in mind, roughly half team teams in MLB are pretty much out of the wild card at this point. This is anecdotal, but I don’t remember so many teams being out of the wild card going into the trade deadline in recent years. It seems that there have been years where only a few teams in each league were done. Because of this there are not as many teams looking and way more teams looking to trade. This is about as close to a buyers market as the trade deadline has been in a while.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jul 21, 2010 1:28 PM PDT reply actions
Stephen Curry for Derek Jeter?
new york always wanted curry.
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by say hey nation on Jul 21, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
You really wouldn’t want Derek Jeter?
I ain't havin' it
by NuschlerFace on Jul 21, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
No.
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by say hey nation on Jul 21, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
He is good, but I always had an irrational hate for Jeter
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by say hey nation on Jul 21, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I do too
But I’d take him for a chucker like Steph!
I ain't havin' it
by NuschlerFace on Jul 21, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus he wears extremely tight pants
I ain't havin' it
by NuschlerFace on Jul 21, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I think this year has been a fluke.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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Wow, bad year is bad
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by say hey nation on Jul 21, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
A 94 OPS+ isn’t all that bad. Just a down year.
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that's pretty bad
but for a SS I guess it’s just sorta “meh”
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He’s been the 5th most valuable SS in the AL according to WAR this year. That’s down from his previous levels, but it’s not like he’s been a disaster.
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Its bad for him. His OPS+ high to low: 153, 132, 132, 128, 127, 125, 125, 123, 121, 114, 111, 103, 102, 101, 94
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by say hey nation on Jul 21, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Kobe for Miggy
Get it done Sabes!
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New York already has an asian on their team, Sun Yue
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But can we make him even better?
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If Superman, under one yellow sun, has amazing powers, does that mean if there were 2 yellow suns, like on Star Wars Tattonine, would he have double his amazing powers? What more powers could he possibly have?
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He could possibly be more omnipotent, it is debatable. But some would argue that two suns would charge his atoms so much that they would explode.
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Question..
Do they update their WAR formula midseason? I’m asking since it’s been “the year of the pitcher” so players who are hitting, have been more valuable this year than previous.
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You ignored the elephant in the room. Who here trusts BS to make any trade for a major league player that will actually end up helping us more than a tiny amount? Not me. The worst thing about the great play by the Giants in the past 2 weeks is that it gives BS the ammunition to go out and make a horrible trade. I don’t think BS can do anything to make us a championship contender, and I dread that he will gut the farm system on some stupid deal(s). For my money, I just want BS to work around the margins with minor deals until we can get rid of him this offseason or next. Let the new regime have a full palette to work with.
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You know people rip sabean a lot but
His record is not that horrible..
Rowand, Zito, Renteria: Horrible
Sanchez for Alderson: Good trade
Huff, Uribe, Burrell, and Torres: Pretty good
Drafted: Lincecum, Cain (I think), Sanchez, Bumgardener, Posey…
wow
just don’t go down this road. You will not like the ending.
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Don’t have opinions!
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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"brian sabean's trade record isn't that bad" is not an opinion
it’s just wrong.
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But instead of pointing out why, you have to belittle the guy.
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Hey now
we also pointed out why.
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My conclusion re Sabean
He is not the greatest GM but certainly not the worst (probably somewhere between 10-15).
Cashman and Epstein have made more epic “fail” moves but because their team’s payrolls are so huge that they can cover up mistakes. Minaya was great in Montreal…not so good in NY..
Go look at the Giants’ record before 1997 and after…I think Sabean has done a pretty good job overall.
That is not . . .
. . . the conclusion of others, not from SF, who have examined the situation.
I am not going to hunt up again the list of GM-evaluation-article links, but it has been posted here. Three out of four put him in the bottom five, and the fourth was Bleacher Reports.
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Evaluating GM's
I really think it’s a mistake to equate bad trades with good trades when evaluating GM’s. The ability to make good trades (and good FA signings, for that matter) is much more significant and much more critical to a GM’s success than is the ability to avoid bad trades. In other words, a bad trade generally has far less negative impact on a team than a good trade has positive impact. There are at least a few reasons for this:
1) Most trades involve a team trading a player who is expendable in some way. Examples include:
- A minor leaguer who is blocked by a superior player at the big league level.
- A major leaguer who is being supplanted by a superior talent from the minors (Bengie gives way to Buster).
- A player who is not performing well for one team, and who might benefit from a “change of scenery”.
- A pitcher who is part of a deep and talented pitching staff, or a hitter who is part of a team with several good hitters.
Teams usually trade from an area of depth or strength. Teams with lots of good hitting will trade a hitter for a pitcher (e.g., Smoak for Lee). If that hitter ends up doing well for his new team it’s usually not horribly damaging to the team trading him, since that team already has plenty of good hitters.
2) If the player received in trade doesn’t perform well, the impact of that player’s failure will generally be short-lived. That player will, more often than not, soon be benched, released, replaced and forgotten. He won’t be allowed to continue to play poorly (and thus hurt the team). In 2004, the Giants traded Felix Rodriguez to the Phillies for Ricky Ledee and Alfredo Simon. Ledee was spectacularly bad as a pinch-hitter and part-time starter. His OPS for the Giants was .351 (OPS+ was negative 7). Granted that was in just 60 late-season PA’s, but still… Anyway, Ledee was terrible, and 49 PA’s in August became 11 PA’s in September. And then Ledee was gone.
3) A player acquired via trade is usually coming in to improve a weak area of the ballclub. In 2006, when the Giants traded for Shea Hillenbrand, Brian Sabean hoped that Hillenbrand would give the Giants an upgrade over Lance Niekro at first base. Well, he did, actually. Hillenbrand’s paltry .690, was actually a slight improvement over Niekro’s .673. So, it wouldn’t technically be accurate to say that Hillenbrand’s acquisition hurt the Giants.The Giants were already hurting at first base. Hillenbrand’s arrival didn’t change that.
4) The impact of a good trade generally lasts far longer than that of a bad trade. Where poorly performing players are soon benched ore released, players that perform well will be featured prominently in that team’s lineup or pitching staff, getting lots of plate appearances and innings. Often, they will remain with the club for several years, and continue to perform well. Sabean’s trades for players like Jason Schmidt, Robb Nen and Ellis Burks were much more significant and helped the Giants much more than the aforementioned bad trades hurt.
If you look at Brian Sabean’s trades from 1996-2002, you’ll actually see plenty of bad trades. But you’ll also see several really good ones—many of which were instrumental (along with the presence of BLB) in building the Giants into perennial contenders. Looking at the years since 2002, there actually are fewer bad trades, but there is a near absence of good trades. Sabean simply has failed to bring in players who were able to help the Giants in significant ways.
Fortunately, the Giants farm system has finally managed to produce some talent that is providing real help, and Sabean has also managed to come up roses on some FA signings (Huff, Torres, Uribe, Burrell).
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?
Broadly speaking, a sound analysis, but . . .
. . . this part—
If the player received in trade doesn’t perform well, the impact of that player’s failure will generally be short-lived. That player will, more often than not, soon be benched, released, replaced and forgotten. He won’t be allowed to continue to play poorly (and thus hurt the team).—may need re-thinking as it applies to particular teams.
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Certainly true...
I actually was going to include a point about teams like the Red Sox and Yankees having greater capacity to absorb bad trades than most other teams. And, conversely, it’s fair to say that bad trades can be more harmful for teams like the Pirates and Royals. But… long post was already long, so I left that out.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?
I don't agree with your classification
each transaction (trade, signing, DFAing, drafting) can be evaluated (POST HOC) at it’s value to the bottom line (basically RS/RA) and it’s cost in $. Either or both of these can be negative – but a “usual” trade will trade either cash for value or current value for future value.
For some trades, the magnitude of these values will all be small. And in this case – the direction (good vs. bad) is not really relevant; it’s essentially zero. Kind of like the decision to play Scheirholtz over Bowker.
Now the trick is – GMs have to be judged (mostly) on the PROMPTER-HOC – that is “how good was the move at the time”, and the value terms become tricky to estimate (the future value of a prospect, for example).
It’s even more complicated because it’s not quite a zero sum game – I think this is what you are getting at. My 6th-best MajL OF is almost worthless to me – but it might have some value to another team that only has 2 or 3 better OFs. So If I trade my 6th OF for a worthless (sub replacement level) RP, then it’s a bad trade for me and a good trade for the other guy. But it’s not as bad “in value” as it is good.
But it’s still bad in the abstract – because to the zero-th order, a trade is just about resource rearrangment. If all GMs were perfect at evaluation, all trades would be exactly even. So failure to extract value from a player (even a near worthless one like 6th OF example) is STILL failure, because it’s a resource leak.
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Sanchez for Alderson:
NOT GOOD.
How much production did the Giants get out of Franchez in 2009?
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Have you seen Alderson's stats...he just got demoted
At least we have a pretty good def 2B playing at the MLB level
You don’t get credit for that, as Alderson was only traded for the amount of time we got Sanchez last season.
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We could have had him in the offseason for free (prospect wise)
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the fact that FSanchez is a Giant in 2010 is only tangentially related to the trade. Sabes traded Alderson for the remainder of Freddy’s 2009 season, during which he contributed almost nothing.
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Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.
I would like to give him credit for a trade for a second baseman, as we were all screaming and demanding for bats. But, the fuckin guy bought damaged goods with currency that didn’t need to be spent. At the time I was happy he made a trade, but he knew full well there were injury issues there and took a flyer, hoping they would just go away…the Sanchez trade was a waste.
by ThisIsMyNightmare on Jul 21, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
well we wouldve gotten picks for him if he left, right?
Thing A
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I don’t believe they offered him arbitration.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 21, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
You cannot really count Sanchez as good
cause he traded Alderson for a few months of Sanchez. While he was injured.
Torres, Huff and Uribe were blind luck.
Burrell was low risk high reward so I like him for trying on it.
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I can rip him for all the bad decisions I want
good moves or not. I will praise him for good moves, but I will not attribute his luck to him being good. Plus his good moves have been few and far between.
I think we were all pretty speechless when he flipped Molina for what he did. And the Morris trade was nuts. But there is far too much that he has done that his been horrible and I reserve my right as a fan to bitch about it.
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why cant huff, uribe, and torres be considered buy low moves (less so with Torres)
by aaroncallagher on Jul 21, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Huff was choice number 3
When Torres was picked up no one else wanted him iirc. He was never, ever, even remotely predicted to be anywhere near as good as he has been.
Uribe you could argue was a buy low, low risk venture, but even he has had career numbers that could not have been thought of.
Huff was the only one with any history of being good, and again: he was Sabean’s third choice.
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Sorry I don't understand this...
So when Sabean picks up someone who does much better than expected…it doesn’t count.
But when he signs a FA and they don’t live up to the contract, it does?
He signs FA to contracts they can never perform up to.
I am happy that the people who do better then expected do so well, but Sabean does not deserve credit when a guy he signed to be a minor league outfield fodder piece explodes with a career year.
You do not get credit as being a good GM by being lucky. Especially when you have made many more bad moves that have blown up in your face.
The difference in these can be looked at in the Torres and Burrell Situations.
Torres had no track record in the minor leagues of being as good as he has been this year. No indication he might explode into usefulness. He was signed as a minor league player. This was a lucky pickup by Sabean.
Burrell has history of being a good ML level player, was available for nothing, and could make an immediate impact on the team. I think, even with his recent struggles, was a great pickup by Sabean. Now, if he turns around and offers Burrell a 3 year 36 million dollar contract I may get a little upset.
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Andres Torres types—good career minor leaguers who’ve never been able to break through into the majors—are a great source of cheap talent, and Sabean should be commended for signing them. Of course he got massively lucky when Torres turned into one of the best players in the game, but you deserve credit when you put yourself in position to get lucky.
good career minor leaguers who’ve never been able to break through into the majors
you mean like Bowker?
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There were reasons to expect Rowand and Zito would not live up to their contracts. Rowand was coming off a career year when he was singed but prior to that had been pretty average. Zito had been in decline for awhile when the Giants signed him to the biggest contract in history.
The Giants don’t fare well against pitchers.
Agreed but signing free agents are somewhat of a crap shoot to begin with
Look at Holliday v. Bay…equally coveted…similar money…one has excelled while the other has failed to live up to the contract…
Just about every team has at least one or two players that they overpaid as FAs
There were also plenty of signs to show Bay was not going to be worth the contract tendered.
A lot of them put forth on this very site during the FA period. I don’t think there were very many people who wanted him.
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Other FA failures
Teixeira
Beltran
Carlos Lee
Zambrano (BTW would you rather have him or Zito…)
Soriano
Aramis Ramirez
Just saying that for every good FA signing…there is usually an equal and opposite failure.
Teixeira is a failure?
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news to me
He did help NY win the WS last year
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I am not sure how many of those I would call failures
It may be too early to tell. There are far worse you could have picked (LOL HAMPTON)
Zambrano, aside from the crazy, has actually been a pretty good pitcher. Teixeira is pretty good. I would have hit Beltran so hard.
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Thus why I would have hit it so hard.
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Carlos Lee has been stellar for Houston
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Yeah his list of failures is pretty confusing to me.
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yeah
Where are Mathews Jr., LOLjuan Pierre, and guys like that
I would like to talk to you about my pokemonz
Again
LOL HAMPTON
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I misunderstood and thought you would've literally struck Beltran
That’s mean!
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Beltran?
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Case by case
Teixeria put up 6 WAR in 2009 – way more than what he was worth.
He’s having a bad year in 2010, but you can’t call him a failure yet.
Beltran – injured 09-10 but put up 20 WAR from 2006-2008! No failure
Lee barely worth it in 07-08… I give you this one
Zambrano – yes a dud
Soriano – horrible contract but he more than lived up to it for the first 2 years (10.4 WAR $24M)
Aramis Ramierez. – Ow, that’s a tough one. His first 3 years with the Cubs == Money, but they resigned him for too long (too old). Even so, 2007-2009 12.5 WAR for $38M is under market value.
Actually, most of these have the same thing in common – they are just way too long and backloaded.
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He could've given up and let Ishi play though
and Nick Johnson and Adam LaRoche would both have been good options for this team, but they didnt want to play here. IIRC we offered both of them more money than the teams they signed with. So at that point it was an extremely good signing.
Your bias is showing.
by aaroncallagher on Jul 21, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I am confused.
IIRC we offered both of them more money than the teams they signed with. So at that point it was an extremely good signing.
So because we did not sign the other two, Huff was a good signing?
I liked that Sabean stood his ground with the money issue, but Huff was still 3RD CHOICE. If he was expected to play this way, he would not have still been around when the other two options fell through and Sabean called.
Huff was a very lucky signing.
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Yes, exactly. If we couldn’t get either of those guys (and I know that Johnson is hurt, and LaRoche isnt playing as well as Huff, but not entirely awful) but those guys were more attractive options at the time because of age and career trends, and with no other reasonable options that is the best signing
by aaroncallagher on Jul 21, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok...
There were other reasonable options (Ishikawa) although I think many of the fans would not have been happy with that. Sabean had to sign someone to play 1st (or 3rd and shift Pablo). Huff was a good signing, but Sabean lucked into him, he was not a primary target he wanted to go after. He was what was left.
That is my point. That is why I do not think you can really give him credit for the signing.
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But isnt that the definition of a good signing, to make the best of the situation? He had to re-evaluate after being denied by both Johnson and LaRoche and took a flier(sp?) on a guy who had been a very good hitter in the past and had a really bad year. That sounds like a good job by Sabean to me
by aaroncallagher on Jul 21, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Huff fell into his lap.
He was a very lucky signing. At that point I feel Sabean would have signed anyone for a certain amount of money he was willing to give out.
Huff was a lucky signing. I dunno how many times I need to say this. Yeah it could be opinion, then it is my opinion, but I have presented evidence as to why I feel it was a lucky signing.
There is not much more I can say.
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Yeah
but again, I do not give Sabean a good signing credit. Huff was the third choice, and luck took over the rest.
And I will add, If Huff keeps this up, I would gladly give him a 1-2 yr deal to tide us over till Belt. Then that would be a good Sabean signing dependent on the money.
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conversely
do you ding Sabean if he makes an unlucky signing?
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Define unlucky?
Like if Albert Pujols were to sign for 5 year/2 million dollars then promptly die?
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he’s had 81 PA. You cant possibly say that
by aaroncallagher on Jul 21, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 21, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Huff's year isn't really a fluke.
He’s had exceptional years in the past and his wOBA shows that this year is roughly similar to those.
He was nearly this good (not quite, but nearly) back in 2002-04. Then he proceeded to suck for three years, enjoy a nice bounceback year, and then suck really really really hard just last year.
2005-09, he’s got to be in the running for Worst Regular Player in Baseball Who Managed to Somehow Hold a Starting Job All Five Years.
The difference in plate appearances
Means that their value is not comparable. You know this. Don’t be silly.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 21, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Not really.
If you want to get into semantics, Ishi hasn’t been as good for the team as Huff. The simple fact that he hasn’t played as much makes his WAR only 0.5. That’s miles away from Huff’s impact (3.3 WAR).
Then make your point istead of defending a vapor stance
Here’s how: Travis has not been “as good” as Huff because the number of plate appearances that Huff has this season is way more than Travis. Therefore, Huff has contributed to the Giants winning ballgames more than Travis has.
Now see? That wasn’t so hard. How about you doing the same for your point?
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 21, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Re-sheesh.
Are people really not understanding my point? I know y’all are smart people, so stretch yourselves a bit here. When he’s been given a chance to play, Ishikawa has been just as good as Huff has when he’s been given a chance to play.
I really thought this was so obvious and uncontroversial as to be barely worth pointing out.
Let me be clear on this:
Are you saying that Ishikawa is probably about as good a player as Huff?
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Based on this
Are you saying that Ishikawa is probably about as good a player as Huff?
I liked the Huff signing at the time, and I know Ishi’s not really this good.
This is an entirely valid question.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 21, 2010 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I presume the two quotes are reversed?
My assessment of their value:
1. Huff’s better.
2. Age and defense make the gap going forward fairly small — under ten runs in a full season, I’d guess.
I'd at least double that.
And 20 runs is quite a bit where one position is concerned.
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But do you have any doubt that if Ish was given all of Huff’s ABs that they he would have the same averages?
We all know what SSS can do — just look at what Velez did in a few weeks last year.
well there are a lot of signs that say there should be a lot of doubt.
Like, his .397 BABIP
and
36.7% LD Rate
by aaroncallagher on Jul 21, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
For the record, I liked the Huff signing at the time, and I know Ishi’s not really this good. I’m arguing the point for three reasons:
1. Huff’s not really this good either.
2. You can occasionally get an awesome, unexpected, out-of-the-blue performance from a young player, not just an over-the-hill veteran! Crazy, I know!
3. Contrarianism is fun.
Huff's a lot closer to being this good.
In fact, it wouldn’t be entirely unlikely to see him continue at the current rate of production for more than 1 season. In contrast, Ishi’s relying on an absurdly high BABIP and has much less underlying power.
Contrarianism is fun.
OK, now that I know you are just being ridiculous, nevermind my post above.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 21, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
We do not know if this year is a fluke for Huff.
He was bad last year. But the year before he was good. Last year could have been the fluke.
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It's a an interesting question
I think you have to give GMs some credit here, not the full value of Torres/Huff but partial credit.
In a similar way, you would only give them partial penalties for Sanchez (2009) and De Rosa. Because they weren’t guarenteed injuries – just injury risks.
My default assumption is to maybe split the difference (from expected value) in half? So if putting Torres on the roster is a +0.5 WAR eV move (cost of $500K or whatever), and he puts up 4 WAR for a season, I would credit Sabes with a +1.75 WAR transaction (which at $500K is super impressive). Likewise, De Rosa was expected to put up 3 WAR, but with the injury risk, call it 2 WAR (for $6M). Instead he put up a -0.3. So a net loss from eV of -2.3, of which Sabean takes a -1.15 hit.
I might call this the 20/80 Hindsight rule.
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I should be clear
that if you don’t give SOME credit (and blame… always blame!), then you are basically saying that scouting and personal evaluation are totally worthless for a GM/staff. I think that is not true.
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LOL leaving of his best trades.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 21, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Sanchez for Alderson?
Not a very good trade
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 21, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
1. I posted strictly on BS’s trading abilities
2. Sanchez for Alderson hasn’t done much to make the Giants a contender, and you conveniently left out the other trade from last year – Barnes for what’sHisName.
3. This year we don’t have the surplus Barnes’s and Aldersons to trade. If Sabean wants to make a splash he’s going to be giving away guys like Belt, Neal, Bucardo, Wheeler, Surkamp and Bowker.
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I’d trade Bowker just to give him a chance. I hate how he’s been treated by this organization.
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by Giant Torture on Jul 21, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with this comment
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 21, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
i agree with this comment
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
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…and I just learned upthread that the cool kids now just use “IA.”
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I think that is short for Inflamed Asshole
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 21, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
This. I feel bad for him. Were not gonna use him. Trade him for a decent reliever.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 21, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Bowker alone would bring us back no more than a bucket of balls, due to how the Giants have mis-managed him.
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It is interesting how the responsibility of promising prospects sucking always lie with management and not the fact that a good percentage of promising prospects wind up sucking.
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in how many at bats?
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And how many of those at bats were consistent playing time.
Starting, day in and day out?
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You didnt ask me, but I’d like to see him get some consistant playing time so we know if he’s an AAAA player or if he could stick as a big leaguer.
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HE IS A PART OF THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS
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If he was involved in determining playing time he wouldn’t have had to trade Molina.
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By getting rid of the player blocking Posey
How was he not involved in determining playing time?
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But he could have just demanded Bengie stay on the bench (where he would have been serviceable). But instead he had to trade him.
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We do not know if he did demand it or not.
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If he did it would have happened. He’s the boss.
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And yet Molina was traded.
The same thing has happened to Bochy twice in his coaching career where a player had to be gotten rid of to make him stop playing them.
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But what I’m saying is Sabean doesn’t seem to be involved in who get playing time. Just who the players are.
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I dunno for sure, but I think he would be at least involved in that decision. Maybe not day to day lineups, but putting in his input
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He is...
but that just proves that he did it to take the option away from Bochy…do you want him to micro manage Bochy?
If someone in the organization is standing in the way of it’s best chance to win, then yeah.
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I originally said:
I hate how [Bowker’s] been treated by this organization
Which includes the Rule Weasel.
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I got your rule weasel...
RIGHT HERE!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 21, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he could return something
But his best value would be as an add-on to a deal.
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by Giant Torture on Jul 21, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I really want him to get some consistant playing time.
I will be pretty frustrated if we trade him to another team and he starts to rake for them given playing time.
The guy was the best hitter in minor league baseball last year and he gets treated like a scrub.
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Theo Epstein
Andrew Friedman
Bill Smith
…just for starters.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Cashman,
Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!
by say hey nation on Jul 21, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
jocketty
Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!
by say hey nation on Jul 21, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
This doesn’t negate Sabean being a bad GM
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 21, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Of course it does...
That’s why hitting a ball 3 out 10 times in the MLB gets you big contracts…it’s relative to the difficulty of the job.
So because the players he picks suck
that is not his fault?
Bouncing promising prospects around, not giving them chances for playing time, then demoting them when they go into a slump, is also not his fault?
However when a player he picked up off the scrap heap does well, that is his fault?
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
He hired Bochy.
Quietly hoping Brandon Belt develops into John Olerud, circa 1993.
by AndOnTheDrums... on Jul 21, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
It is easier to list the worse GMs
Omar, Wade.
Thats it.
Brian Sabean is in the bottom 3 of ML GMs.
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LOL DAYTON MOORE!
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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Oh man
Yeah.
Ok maybe bottom 4-5.
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The same could be said you, sir.
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But the evidence you provide for him being a good GM was either:
1) opinion
2) wrong.
And when presented with counter evidence (his bad decisions) you say those were not enough to overturn his good decisions, which again has only occurred twice in recent memory.
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Good things you can attribute to Sabean
Morris Trade
Bengie Trade
Each of these is negated if they had not been signed to their contracts to begin with.
Bad things off the top of my head:
Pierzynski Trade
Alderson for Sanchez Month
Garko Trade and fall out
Signing Bengie Molina for 6 million dollars
Rajai Davis being dismissed (this one I am not as hurt as)
Rowand
Zito contract length and dollars
Fred Lewis handling.
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Even though it appears he is a dick
He was still treated pretty shitty by the organization.
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Michael Tucker signing.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Oh lord
Mother Tucker.
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More good things
But he also signed Huff, Torres, and Uribe
Getting Schmidt from the Pirates for nothing
Did not sign Schmidt
Also for a number of years…Sabean had to get “veterans” because Bonds was here…no way he could rebuild.
Of all the people the Giants traded away…who has come back to “hunt” us…probably Nathans…
Also for a number of years…Sabean had to get "veterans" because Bonds was here…no way he could rebuild.
Not signing aging players past their prime does not constitute rebuilding.
But he also signed Huff, Torres, and Uribe
Huff was his 3rd choice. Torres and Uribe were Spanish Galleons found on the beach with a metal detector.
I will add Schmidt to the good pile, then seeing him end up in LA was priceless.
Of all the people the Giants traded away…who has come back to "hunt" us…probably Nathans…
They do not have to come back and destroy us to make it a bad trade.
We traded 3 players for one. If Liriano is even a shell of his former self he is a good ML pitcher. Nathan grew into one of the best closers in Baseball. Boof was Boof, and a lot of people liked him. The guy we got back for him was later DFA’d.
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Damn proofreaders again.
The guy we got back for him them was later DFA’d.
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Yeah
I just have not been following him too lately.
Is he as good as he looked before he went for the surgury?
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Damn
Having to build around the greatest offensive force the game has seen in a few decades. Rough go for Sabean, I’m sure.
/Sabean's Vlad quote.
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In 2002
The Giants spent approx. $63 million dollars in salary outside of Barry’s $15 million. That number (the $63 million) alone would have been about the 13th highest payroll in baseball that season.
Subsequent seasons were much the same.
They were spending plenty of money outside of Bonds. Your argument is invalid.
2002
2002 WS Appearance
2003 Playoffs/League Champs
2004 91-71 record
2005: Same basic roster as 04: fail
2006-2007: Bonds dictated seasons
2008: Just awful
2009: not too bad
2010: A little better
There's a common denominators for those great seasons
Namely, Bonds putting up numbers that have rarely been seen in the history of MLB. You may disagree, but I’m guessing Bonds carried those earlier listed teams about as far as they could go.
The fact that Sabean wasn’t interested in signing Vladimer Guerrero because it would prevent him from signing a bunch of crap veterans should tell you about his erroneous thinking.
How do you explain the absence of anything resembling a rebuild in the several years after Bonds’ departure?
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 21, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't know how to explain this
Bonds was great but he also dictated that Sabean get veteran players to try and win now…Which meant that the average age was higher and that when bonds eventually left, the team would be a disaster.
The Giants knew this but wanted to keep Bonds happy until 2007 for the All-star game.
I think Sabean dictated that
Bonds would have carried pretty much any mediocre group of bats into contention. If the money was there to spend, then Sabean’s lack of ability to identify offensive talent (veteran or otherwise) is the culprit IMO.
The 2004 Giants are evidence that you CAN build a team around one guy. As long as that guy is really really really good.
THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME (for 3 days in 1995).
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Jul 21, 2010 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
In 2007 it was clear the team was not a winner, even with Bonds… the youth movement should have started then and continued through last year. The amount of question marks surrounding our (admittedly possibly marginal) young players is criminal.
The was no need to ‘appease’ Bonds.
And I stand by my belief that last year’s ‘contention’ was a sham perpetrated to sell tickets and that it sabotaged player development.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 21, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I call BS
on Morris and Bengie trades as they are counteracted by the signing of them as FAs in the first place (although you did list Bengie at the bottom)
When this .sig was awaiting the Final Sabean Apocalypse, I never once in a million years suspected it would be a "good" Apocalypse. Bengie... Don't let the door hit you IN YOUR GIANT ASS on the way out!
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game totally stalled and basically dead at this point
I mentioned that as a disclaimer.
Morris Trade
Bengie Trade
Each of these is negated if they had not been signed to their contracts to begin with.
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Also
You do not think Sabean has a hand in who is promoted and demoted between the levels?
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I seriously don’t understand this argument.
Group A = bad at their job
Group B= good at their job
How does one group being good make the other group not bad?
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 21, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Did I miss your definition of good/bad so that we could at least understand how it’s relative to you?
It's relative to the other GMs...
Look I don’t think he’s the greatest but he does not deserve the daily floggings that occurs here…
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2010/7/21/1580806/the-deadline-cometh#42593155
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When a GM approaches the speed of light, they appear to be less sucky to a static observer?
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 21, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Barnes and Alderson trade value
You are assume that they wouldn’t have sucked/medicore as they are now…
Barnes doesn’t suck and isn’t mediocre.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Sorry...but maybe I am looking at the wrong Barnes
but I get a guys who is 5-8 with a 4.95 era in AA ball
Sock puppet?
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His FIP is 4.05. His strikeout rate is pretty good. He doesn’t look like an ace, but he looks like he’s going to give the Indians a hell of a lot more than we got out of Ryan Garko
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Yeah, I was a lot more upset over that trade than I was over Alderson. Which means to say I was upset.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
Who was it here that was livid over that one? Was it marcello?
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
I feel like I was angry with that trade
but I can’t find my comments
I do remember commenting on MLBTR…that was a mistake
Proud father of Mike Krukow (who is more than 3 times my age)
Grab Some Pine, Meat
Still cheering for Kevin Frandsen
John Bowker: One of the 3 best OF's on the Giants roster
Joe Nathan, Francisco Liriano and Bonser for Pierzynski: EPIC FAIL
Barnes for Garko: horrible
and it’s really not hard to get Lincecum, Cain, BUMGARNER, and Posey when you have top 10 picks and good scouts
by 49erEmpire on Jul 21, 2010 1:51 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I remember the tidbit in Moneyball with Beane talking shit about the pick.
LOL YOU.
Wilber Bucardo: Carlos Silva with a younger brother.
and…?
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jul 21, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
New regime? Don’t hold your breath.
The Magic is inside all of us.
Proud father of the man taking your hard-earned money.
Please don't burst my dream
LOL
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
@SavvySabes Got into the habit of buying a new shirt every Wednesday. Which one should I get? http://tweetphoto.com/34052502
SSS and all
But I think the most important thing for the brass to do is determine whether their MLB best runs per game in July is a trend or a spike.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jul 21, 2010 1:43 PM PDT reply actions
LOL TIMMY
Got ‘1 jeer’ on Sportsnation for his silly slip-ball pitch
by ThisIsMyNightmare on Jul 21, 2010 1:46 PM PDT reply actions
I would rather eat my own eyeballs than watch Sportsnation
I would like to talk to you about my pokemonz
To be fair
Your eyeballs are pretty delicious.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 21, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
But his feet taste like feet.
The Magic is inside all of us.
Proud father of the man taking your hard-earned money.
And not very appetizing to look at either.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 21, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Not a Michelle Beadle fan?
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
Im guessing that's the girl opposite that worthless guy
I dont think she is hot enough to keep me watching
I would like to talk to you about my pokemonz
This.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
But then I saw Brooklyn Decker.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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by cheno on Jul 21, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Write about baseball"
An interesting variation on the “think about baseball” method of avoiding premature speculation.
Well done, Grant.
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
by Goofus on Jul 21, 2010 1:51 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Hail to the Buster!
Thought you guys might like this. Since I live in the hell that is known as LA i have to watch Giants/dodgers games with Vin Scully announcing but he did mention that when Posey was at FSU the fans made a song for him. Below is a link to an old FSU fan singing the song (really crappy quality).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpBTzxVAP5k
I think the song goes:
Hail to the Buster the Buster the Buster,
Hail to the Buster the Buster Posey
He singles, he doubles, he singles, he homers,
Hail to the Buster the Buster Posey!
by GrabbingSomePine on Jul 21, 2010 1:56 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
The awesomeness is awesome.
Wrecked.
"He made a decent attempt to put the tag on him. That's what it looked to me, and that's why I called him out."-Phil's Cuzzi
by Giant Torture on Jul 21, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
that should be triples right beofre homers.
by GrabbingSomePine on Jul 21, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
My favorite part is him singling twice.
My adopted son is RHP Steve Edlefsen, no longer above Gerald Posey on the catching depth chart!
Just read on mlbtr
That the Giants are interested in Hart, Dejesus, Dunn and Cantu. I vote for Dunn.
"He made a decent attempt to put the tag on him. That's what it looked to me, and that's why I called him out."-Phil's Cuzzi
At this point I am ignoring everything.
Everyone seems to think the (major league team) is interested in (every major league player)
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I think I made a Cantu defense.exe error pic a long time ago. I will have to look for it when I get home.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 21, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Although they also report that it doesn’t look like Dunn is going anywhere
by ThisIsMyNightmare on Jul 21, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
If they can't get Dunn
I hope they don’t trade for Dejesus or Hart. Not that I don’t want Dejesus, just that the price will be too high. Cantu might be a fit though for the right price.
"He made a decent attempt to put the tag on him. That's what it looked to me, and that's why I called him out."-Phil's Cuzzi
by Giant Torture on Jul 21, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Despite my lust for a player via trade
One person I actually don’t want is Cantu. He’s actually not a very good hiiter, it’s just exagerrated because of RBI!
My Son. Dude hits inside the parkers and takes walks.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
I am a Bochy hater and a Sabean apologist.
GIT ER DUUUUNNNNNNN
offer the Nats a grab bag of whatever minor leaguers they like
/parade down market street
FTW!
EVERYONE PREPARE YOUR DINGERZ GLANDS
SI_JonHeyman #sfgiants interested in jose bautista. toronto could look at middle infielders, including emmanuel burress or ehire adrianza
Let’s see if we can get Fred Lewis as a throw-in.
My Son. Dude hits inside the parkers and takes walks.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
I am a Bochy hater and a Sabean apologist.
If its Buriss, why not?
HIGHLY doubt thats the price.
Wilber Bucardo: Carlos Silva with a younger brother.
if that’s the price for bautista, i’m all for it. i mean goddamn
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Especially with a Free Fred Lewis
trade Rowand with them too!
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HATED 3: LA Dodgers, NE Patriots, MIAMI DOLPHINS
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jul 21, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
OH LORD NO
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Why?
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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I fear a second half crumble from him.
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Yeah, but if the price is Burriss or Adrianza?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
With a Free Fred Lewis!
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jul 21, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
They did not like our Bocock
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How about our Merkin?
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jul 21, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I saw him the other night at the Fresno game when they played Vegas
Dude is tall.
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He signed my Dominican Hat
seems like a nice guy.
but yeah he is big! Threw hard too!
Rather have him over Bautista
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jul 21, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
/fastball down the middle::/fastball down the middle
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oh yeah
i forgot bout that…
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HATED 3: LA Dodgers, NE Patriots, MIAMI DOLPHINS
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jul 21, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I would not miss Burriss.
But I am still the guy saying stand pat. I like what we got right now. Also it seems weird the asking price would be so low.
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Dayton Moore.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
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The thing with signing young guys is that we get bored with them easily. Like it seems like he should be 30 at this point.
/joke about how he probably is 30
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Sure, but I would be willing to give up either of them
Burriss more so, obviously.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
maybe, but
He had a HR and 5 RBI last night. He could keep it steady all year.
Strawhats, etc
Anyway, he better fucking hold up because I just traded for him in two pokemonz leagues.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
I don’t mind trading Burriss or even Adrianza but I remember last year the rumors were a package of Frandsen, Pucetas, Bowker etc. for F. Sanchez and it ended up being Alderson
by 49erEmpire on Jul 21, 2010 2:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
For Burriss, why not?
The Magic is inside all of us.
Proud father of the man taking your hard-earned money.
Yeah, that is basically free.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 21, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Do it Giants
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
Predormatted Jon Heyman twit:
{Team} interested in {player name}. {Other team} could look at middle infielders, including {Cool name from BA handbook on team} or {Awesomer Name from same source}
Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!
by say hey nation on Jul 21, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
His stats
AVG OBP SLG wOBA
241 .358 .549 .388
His defense appears to be pretty crappy everywhere except for RF.
Wilber Bucardo: Carlos Silva with a younger brother.
But at AT&T he'd be like a Jack Cust defender
I say play him in left
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HATED 3: LA Dodgers, NE Patriots, MIAMI DOLPHINS
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jul 21, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Unless we get Barry Bonds from 2002
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jul 21, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
He has a very interesting Arbitration situation
hes only making about 2.5 mil this year but he’ll be eligible for Arbitration next year and could easily see his salary jump to 10-12 million range if he realistically puts up 30-35 hrs this year.
This is the very reason Toronto is willing to deal him. They want no part of that scenario next year. Paying that amount to a guy who has had exactly one non-suck season. I dont want any part of that transaction.
Cain is Able ...
Nah, there’s no way his salary would jump that much.
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"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
insider from Buster Today
Dont Tell:
Jose Bautista mashed his 26th homer Tuesday, as he continues to put together the best season of his career. He’s extremely versatile and can play multiple positions. This is why the Toronto Blue Jays have set a very high price on Bautista in trade discussions with other teams, who say that the Jays are basically asking for elite young players.
There is a perception among other teams that there is a bluff involved here, though. Bautista is making $2.4 million this year, and with five-plus years of service time after this year, he is perfectly positioned for arbitration — rival executives think he’ll be in line for an award of $10 million to $12 million. “There’s no way that the Jays will pay him that,” one rival official said. “No way. They have to trade him. They’re not going to keep him around at that salary based on one good year.”
So some rival teams will wait to see if the Jays’ asking price goes down as the deadline gets closer.
Cain is Able ...
Wow I don't like Bautista
that said, if the cost is Burriss, I make that deal in about a second
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wow, Toronto loves the Giants' farm system
by Section B, Row 1 on Jul 21, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
considering how amazing FLew has been for them
I don’t blame them
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Well, if they like FLew . . .
just wait ’til they see Velez!
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by Giantsfan4life on Jul 21, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
They did see him
they tricked us into taking him in the AAA Rule V draft
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I see Lewis has settled in . . .
. . . at just about the performance level I said he would—TOP 850, not bad, not great. Whether his absurd BABIP (.354) can be maintained remains to be seen, though it has been consistent over his career.
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Lets build a time machine
and get Barry Bonds from 2002
then Trade Rowand for a bucket of shit
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jul 21, 2010 2:13 PM PDT reply actions
I'll take Bonds from 2010
I ain't havin' it
by NuschlerFace on Jul 21, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm all for re-signing Barry just so he could get a ring
Barry is the dude I grew up with, he was THE GUY
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jul 21, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
weren’t the Cardinals seriously saying they could activate McGwire as a hitter in the playoffs
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by 49erEmpire on Jul 21, 2010 2:28 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I was going to say:
But Barry has already been named!
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by say hey nation on Jul 21, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Well then
Roy Oswalt’s contract demands could be on the verge of blowing up a potential deal that would send the Houston Astros ace to Philadelphia.
Oswalt is asking for the Phillies, or any team that acquires him, to guarantee his $16 million option in 2012 before he would approve a trade, according to two sources familiar with the discussions.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5398937
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Yeah for him.
Not for any team that may want Werth. Now they are backing off him, and looking at other teams for SP help. Meaning the asking price for Werth just went up.
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"They are backing off him"
They being the Phillies.
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Right..
This also means whoever gets Oswalt likely will give up less than they would have if they only had 2 years left on his deal. This means his new team will be slightly better than it would have been (if he does actually get traded).
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Indeed.
16 million is a lot for 2 seasons from now though.
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He would be 34 that year.
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Enjoy staying in Houston
And not winning anything for the next couple of seasons, Roy.
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I like Oswalt but seriously? I understand the home town/home state nostalgia but I’d jump at any opportunity to exit that sinking ship.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 21, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Did he give a hometown discount? If so, that’s a reasonable exchange for waiving the no-trade.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 21, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
If that is the case
The prospect cost can’t be very much.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 21, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
THIS
If only Ruben hadn’t given Ryan Howard the equivalent of a stake in the franchise as an extension…
Imagine if they had been more fiscally responsible
Keeping Lee and Doc would have been possible.
Imagine that rotation…
Has Ruben taken the crown for “Master of The Dry Hump”?
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by say hey nation on Jul 21, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
HAY GAIS
THE FARM 4 PUJOLS
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jul 21, 2010 2:28 PM PDT reply actions
Ugh
Sportscenter was talking Cain for Fielder this morning. The smartest thing Tim Kurkjian said all morning was that he would not do that deal, then he ruined it by saying that Cain “still has the possibility of becoming a great pitcher”
WTF?
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You think he’s great now?
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What we have gotten out of him?
And that he decided to sign an extension to stick around for more?
Yeah.
I am pretty biased towards Cain though.
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Yeah, he’s great for the Giants. In a vacuum, I don’t think he’s great.
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I don’t know, he’s probably even better outside of the vacuum. He’s been a top 30 or so starter in the majors over the last three or four years.
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Like I said, it might just be me setting the bar of greatness too high, but I don’t consider “top 30” to be high.
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There are 30 teams in the majors and each uses at least five starting pitchers each season and most use a lot more than that.
150 + lets say a conservative 50 other pitchers who start games during the year and the top 30 starters become the top 15% in baseball. That seems pretty high to me.
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Hmm, I’m thinking top 10 or 15 players, but maybe I should separate “great” from “star.”
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I would not say Cain is a star player.
Definitely not recognizable over the baseball world. But he has quietly been a great player.
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yeah
It’s nuts to remember how young he is.
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To be fair to Kurkjian though, I think most people do consider “great” players to be the top 10 or so. At least the small Hall of Fame people would.
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I chuckled.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 21, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually just fiddled around with the Play Index feature on baseball-reference and from 2007-2010, Matt has had the 6th highest ERA+ in the NL with at least 500 IP.
If I extend it out to the whole major leagues, he’s 12th.
He’s very good.
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Top 30 in baseball is pretty high.
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He would be a number 2 starter for pretty much every other team in baseball.
Some teams ace possibly.
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3RD STARTER AT BEST!!
Haven’t said that in awhile.
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Tim Kurkjian pisses me off so much.
Boycott ESPN and either the fnal score or CSN in the morning
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jul 21, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Grant has a message for you.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 21, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Ending with
you should probably go fuck yourself
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jul 21, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure there’s no beginning to that.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 21, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
But I wouldn’t.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Jul 21, 2010 2:35 PM PDT reply actions
OT: WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK IS UP WITH FORD????
http://chrishaft.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/07/stunning_reports_on_darren_for.html
any update?
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jul 21, 2010 2:38 PM PDT reply actions
I don’t see anything new in there. Is Haft just learning about this?
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 21, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah, I missed this. It seems like we’ve known about this longer than that though.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 21, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
It was from awhile back I want more updates!
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jul 21, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
What’s a fanshot?
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jul 21, 2010 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL Dodgers
Jeff Fletcher JeffFletcherAOL
5G suspension for C. Kershaw for hitting Rowand on Weds. He appealed. Torre (1gm) and Schaefer (1) also suspended. #dodgers #sfgiants
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does this mean mattingly is tonights managet
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jul 21, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
manager
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jul 21, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
No. That other coach that got tossed last night will be the manager
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jul 21, 2010 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Getting better all the time!
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 21, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Ha.
5 games seems the norm for a pitcher. That’s what Lee got.
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Weaver? Can he still pitch multiple innings?
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Probably bring Ely back up?
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Yeah, I think so, but then that would keep McDonald in the rotation and I don’t think they want that either.
They could be Giants...but not really.
I dunno
McDonald replaced Ely in the rotation and I do not think they would dump him after one start.
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I see little children all across the world smiling. Something good has happened today.
Yep.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 21, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
It was
Mainly because it was so obvious. Seems like if he wanted to handle things that way, he could have picked a better time than in a ballgame that was still very much up in the air.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 21, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
It was pretty weird that they decided to put the tying run on 1st with no outs, and to let a pitcher who was done hit instead of a PH. Seems a little over the top.
Buser Posey: He knows the rules!
LOL HITTING AARON ROWAND
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Not really..
just pushes him back a day.
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Yeah
see the additional point below about being able to choose when the coaches serve their suspension.
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I wasn't
Timmy’s hit was the cause of the warning.
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oh 5 game not 5 start.
I thought that was a little insane
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Maybe a dumb question
But why was Schaefer suspended?
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by troymccluresf on Jul 21, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Bench Coach doesn't have the authority to protest stuff?
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He was tossed first for yelling at the home plate umpire.
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…which I would think would pretty much prevent him from being suspended. He wasn’t a part of the game when Kershaw beaned Scott, so why would he be held accountable (assuming he’s not suspended for yelling from the dugout)?
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by troymccluresf on Jul 21, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe suspended for contributing to the heightening altercations?
I dunno for sure.
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Weren't Kruk and Kuip saying something about this?
That the bench coach was not allowed to leave the dugout to protest? Guess we can watch that on the replay.
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Based on what MLB.com has posted, he never did leave the dugout until after he got the boot.
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by troymccluresf on Jul 21, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
He stepped out after he was thrown out to get his money’s worth.
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Lets have Mota try to convince Fielder to demand a trade to the Giants
I hear they are buddies
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Torre is serving his suspension tonight; Schaefer is serving his suspension on Thursday.
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MLB gives Dodgers LHP Kershaw a 5-game suspension for hitting Rowand last night. He is appealing. Torre, bench coach Schaefer out one game.
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Wait they can choose?
You are grounded! What day would you like to have no tv?
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They can appeal and then drop the appeal.
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lets get schaefer thrown out tonight again!
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jul 21, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
We have company with Bautista
Jeff Passan of Yahoo! Sports reports that the Tigers, Braves and White Sox have also expressed interest in Jose Bautista.
The major league home run leader has also drawn interest from the Giants and other teams could join in as the July 31 trade deadline nears. Bautista has launched 26 dingers and collected 64 RBI this season, but his .238 batting average and .354 on-base percentage are rather uninspiring. Still, he would be a nice addition to any contending club.
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
WTF is wrong with a .354 OBP?
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Isn’t that about the average OBP?
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His Arbitration future is going to get interesting
realistically, he could ask and receive upwards of 10 to 12 million next year if he finishes with 30+ HRs and 90+ RBIs. I dont want to allocate that amount of team payroll, along with cost of prospects for a guy who has had exactly one above average season.
Cain is Able ...
I believe it’s actually one-half of an above average season.
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Jul 21, 2010 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
last nights game is on in four!
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jul 21, 2010 2:57 PM PDT reply actions
Hey! Warriors signed Jeremy Lin!
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 21, 2010 3:01 PM PDT reply actions
22gigantes is pretty much a douchefuck
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jul 21, 2010 3:15 PM PDT reply actions
I cleverly solved this problem by ignoring him.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
Say, that is clever. Do you mind if I steal your idea?
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 21, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
/commences to ignore
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 21, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve tried to do this, but my friends keep re-tweeting his tweets.
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Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 21, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
BREAKING NEWS
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BREAKING NEWS: Just been told by a league official that umps erred last night by making Broxton leave. They should have Ejected Mattingly and forced Broxton to face Torres. See Splash Blog on sfgate.com for details.
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Henry Schulman just spoke to a league official who said the umpires in last night’s Dodgers-Giants game erred in forcing Jonathan Broxton from the game.
The official said that the rule requiring a pitcher to be removed after two mound visits should have been superseded by a comment underneath Rule 8.06 that says if two mound visits occur while the same batter is up, the umpires must eject the manager and require the pitcher to face that batter. Only then, should the pitcher be removed.
The mistake was discovered as the umpiring crew engaged in its normal postmortem with league umpiring evaluators.
Had the Dodgers protested the game, there is a chance the protest would have been upheld, and the game replayed. But the league official said the Dodgers neglected to protest the game.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/giants/index?
Wilber Bucardo: Carlos Silva with a younger brother.
Yup
Torre screwed himself by concentrating on paybacks rather than managing for a win that his team desperately needed.
Could not have happened to a more deserving team.
The two rules at play seem contradictory. But there is good reasoning behind the comment that the umpires should have used last night to supersede Rule 8.06 (b).
The rules require that a pitcher who enters a game must face one batter. If the opposing team sends a pinch-hitter to the plate, the other team can’t then change pitchers again to get a better matchup.
In theory, a manager could circumvent that rule by making a second mound visit during the same at-bat and say, “Whoops, that’s two. I guess you have to take him out now.” Thus the rule that says, “No, skipper, you’re ejected because you flouted the rule and this pitcher has to stay in.”
Now, in another twist to this, the league official called me back and said Mattingly should not have been ejected because the umps really didn’t have a chance to warn him, which the rule states they must do. Home-plate ump Adrian Johnson yelled, “No, no, no,” but that’s not sufficient warning.
Bottom line is that Broxton should have faced Torres. The umps made a mistake. The Dodgers didn’t protest. Issue over. Whether the umps apologize to the Dodgers is unknown, but the crew discussed it with its superiors this morning and was told of the mistake.
By the way, Clayton Kershaw was suspended five games for hitting Aaron Rowand. Kershaw plans to appeal.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/giants/index#ixzz0uMLTz2YI
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nofreetime is gonna be SO vindicated!
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Thank God, does that mean we can stop talking about it now?
(No chance in hell.)
Buser Posey: He knows the rules!
I am just glad to hear that MLB baseball answered the question, they don’t always do that.
There isn’t anything more to discuss. I’ve already apologized if I’ve frustrated you, not sure why all the anger over a discussion about the rules.
I’m just ribbing you now. Standard operating procedure around here.
Buser Posey: He knows the rules!
/chasm
Sorry, I’ve been taking a lot of grief from some.
Here’s to another epic failure of the blue and white tonight!
Amen.
A sweep would just make my week.
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WHO WILL BE THIS YEARS
Shea Hillenbrand.
Seriously – and a nod to Sabes here – the lineup is very easy to improve. Rowand is already a part timer. Unless you are really willing to sacrifice the future then the odds you get someone who outperforms Bowker/Burrell/New Model Ishikawa.
Yeah, they could use an OF who OPSs 800+ so they can keep Huff at 1B and Ishi on the bench. But I don’t think it’s worth any future value. They could REALLY use a middle infielder stud… but that’s just not gonna happen.
This team could actually be good for 5 years, what with Zito being a solid 2-3 starter…. they just have to eat Rowand’s contract. But they have to keep a steady stream of talent coming up through the minors. Which would be harder if they started winning and stopped getting good draft picks.
I don’t see them making a move that takes them from 33-40% chance of playoffs to 80%. I guess getting Dunn/Uggla/Werth for prospects would qualify. Not sure DeJesus does.
Actually, I am not even sure those guys make the difference. It will probably take 94 wins to take the division and 91 to take the wild card. Giants are currently projecting out to about 88. So +2 wins would take them to about 50% playoffs. I don’t think there are 2 wins in trade on the table — FOR ANYONE — for the remainder of the season.
Obviously, I will take a +1-2 Win player (1/2 season) for notspects, but I wouldn’t be given up anything of value.
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by zenbitz on Jul 21, 2010 3:24 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Do we even need to make a move?
Since the Brewers series we’ve been one of the very best teams in baseball, let alone the NL. What can we possibly do that won’t hamstring us in the rotation?
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Trade the farm. But really, the Giants have been extremely streaky this year both good and bad and during these winning it streaks it becomes VERY easy to say to not do anything, but the team can definitely be stronger and we do have pieces in the minors.
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
At the VERY least,
even if we could take all the mentioned potentials off the table, it would be nice to have MOAR SPEED and a solid arm in the bullpen. I still think the Giants need DINGERZ power, but at the end of the day, I would settle for these two things.
maybe I am sentimental
But I read Minor Lines every day and I would hate to have to trade any of our Little Giants.
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/Shift+A
Luke Scott or DeJesus for the OF, pushing Huff back to first. Depends on the price, as always.
And, Sabean needs to look to deal earlier in the season. Another month of an upgrade would be nice.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
It is very hard to trade too much before the deadline when teams don’t know if they are buyers or sellers. The closer we get to the deadline the more and more teams’ demands change
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Baltimore and Cleveland were pretty much out of it by the end of May
And for all you naysayers about Choo, yes he got injured, but no that would not have been a guarantee if he was in SF. Shit like that doesn’t happen in a vacuum.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
WooHoo a fellow Luke Scott supporter
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Grab Some Pine, Meat
Still cheering for Kevin Frandsen
John Bowker: One of the 3 best OF's on the Giants roster
I was just thinking about him the other night
But not in that way! Sickos!
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
Luke Scott's stats
Not bad
AVG OBP SLG wOBA
.281 .352 .545 .386
His UZR is LF and RF is pretty damn good at 7.7 and 3.1
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I don't know how much faith I put into his UZR
he’s been the DH for the last 2 years I believe
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FWIW I still think he could be average defensively in LF
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Grab Some Pine, Meat
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John Bowker: One of the 3 best OF's on the Giants roster
His UZR in Houston was pretty good,
I wonder why they DH him..
Wilber Bucardo: Carlos Silva with a younger brother.
The rest of their OF is really really young.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2011 Opening Day starting SS!
That was a pretty shitty trade
Tejada for Scott, Albers, and Patton (among others). Not that Albers and Patton are going to be world-beaters, but useful, inexpensive, and young pitching is always nice to have, especially if it doesn’t suck.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
Trading deadline
I always wonder about trading for a player from a losing team…how much are their numbers inflated because 1) their team is usually not in the game and 2) opposing teams are just not as focused as they would be especially in a 162 game season.
to answer #1, this isn’t the NBA where in blowouts numbers get inflated. If a crap team is getting dominated by a good starter, the starter stays in.
and to answer #2, good teams beat up on crap teams.
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
I don't know
I can see inflated numbers because a bad team is losing by 4 or 5 runs in the 7/8/9 innings, the opposing team/pitcher will be less likely to make perfect pitches or even use their pitchers.
Any rumors on Derek Lee?
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jul 21, 2010 3:44 PM PDT reply actions
Just to the Angels
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Grab Some Pine, Meat
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man, wtf happened to D Lee
Injuries? Age? lack of juice? Dude has fallen off a cliff, Papi style.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.
He is a North Cal native
I’d call the Cubs maybe get him for Rowand… :P
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jul 21, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
A guy in my frat says he’s totally freaky in bed.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 21, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I want Hanley
I don’t think he is untradable, but I do think it would be difficult to do without letting go of Sanchez or Bumgarner.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jul 21, 2010 3:46 PM PDT reply actions
I heard Fla wants to keep him until they open their new stadium
but yeah he’d instantly be my #1 target…and it wouldn’t be particularly close
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ranked number 1
in fangraphs trade VALUE. His contract is obscenely club favorable. We could maybe get him for Lincecum + Bumgarner.
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Thats like saying Lord Voldemort in Harry Potter land
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jul 21, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
The agent is back
Dodgers recalled LHP Jack Taschner from Triple-A Albuquerque.
Taschner was inked to a minor league contract in late June. He posted a 6.05 ERA and a 1.55 WHIP in 17 appearances for the Pirates earlier this season and probably won’t have a ton of success in Los Angeles either.
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Armando Benitez is better than Sherrill
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.
Aaron Rowand is better then Sherrill
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jul 21, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL FAT
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jul 21, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
my grandma still better than Sherrill
by 49erEmpire on Jul 21, 2010 3:54 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
My aged grandmother is better than Sherrill
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Benitez is your aged grandmother???
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.
Wellemeyer?
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jul 21, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Except Wellemeyer
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jul 21, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
anybody have ESPNinsider?
The came up in my Giants RSS feed.
Is it the same as we’ve been talking about?
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jul 21, 2010 3:53 PM PDT reply actions
Yeah, think so
The San Francisco Giants could use some help on offense, particularly at first or third base and in the outfield. But as Jeff Fletcher wrote Tuesday, GM Brian Sabean is after players that can help beyond 2010, which may eliminate all soon-to-be free agent from the club’s radar.
Jon Morosi of FoxSports.com tweets Wednesday that the club remains interested in Corey Hart, Adam Dunn, Jorge Cantu and David DeJesus. Dunn is a free agent at season’s end so the Giants would obviously need to back off on their stance against renting a player, and the Nationals don’t appear all that willing to move him which might deem Dunn to pricey in trade cost for the Giants to strongly consider the slugger.
The Giants’ own reluctance to move a pitcher — Matt Cain, Jonathan Sanchez, Madison Bumgarner — may also make it difficult to add an impact hitter this month.
In addition, the Royals are playing hardball with their asking price on DeJesus — Morosi tweets that at least five teams have interest in the left-handed hitting outfielder — and both Cantu and Hart have multiple suitors each. If any are dealt this month, it might be much closer to the deadline as clubs wait for the price to fall.
If I could trade Jonathan Sanchez for Corey Hart I would
It seems a deal that we’d be getting the better of
No, it really would not be.
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Alright man
I’m gonna ask you to step away from your bong
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jul 21, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Or pass it along.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 21, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Posted from another thread
Hart’s career OPS+ is 111.
This year it’s 142
He’s having a flukey year
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A) this year and next year are the years were trying to win
B) Sanchez is a 3/4 and he’s never gonna be an ace. What you have seen for 3 yrs is what he’s got
...He is not our ace though.
He is a really good 2/4 starter, and right now you could argue he is our number 5.
Why do you want to sacrifice rotation stability for a career year of Corey Hart?
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err "3/4 starter".
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Im not saying we’re deathly in need of this trade, just that we’d be getting the better of the deal.
A stable rotation that isnt getting enough run support hasnt been a winning formula. But if Panda steps up with Huff and Posey, we may be fine.
But thats the best case scenario and wont survive a slump or injury.
this is stupid
Sanchez has out performed Hart the last couple of years, and has an extra year of control.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
yeah...
but we can’t keep putting off a playoff run. Sooner or later, Sabean’s gonna have to make a trade to get us the bat that we need to do to go far in October.
That bat is Pablo Sandoval
It also could be John Bowker.
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why the hell would Corey Hart be that bat?
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Give that man a straw hat!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 21, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't necessarily want Hart
Nor do I necessarily feel we have any options better than Sanchez right now. But I don’t think he should be untouchable; if we can get a good offensive player (Hart, Werth, Dejesus, Uggla, Dunn, etc) he should be on the table.
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D-TRAIN
DERAILING INTO SF THIS AUGUST
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Sanchez should be tradeable
Just not for Hart
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I agree.
Those were just options if Sanchez gets traded.
Wilber Bucardo: Carlos Silva with a younger brother.
I don't like the Sanchez for Hart deal.
But IF he gets moved. Mart, Yourkin, Wellemeyer are our in house options.
Wilber Bucardo: Carlos Silva with a younger brother.
All of those options are smelly
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 21, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
and FWIW it would take a lot for me to move Dirty. (Maybe just as part of a package for Fielder or Werth)
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Joey or we could trade for another starter
Jeremy Guthrie, maybe
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So then we are trading Jonathan Sanchez and prospects for (someone better than Corey Hart) and Jeremy Guthrie?
Basically like I said above
I only feel comfortable moving Dirty in a package for Fielder or Werth-and Guthrie shouldn’t break the bank
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BWAHAHAHA
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 21, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Problem is that I just don't know enough about Hart...
Sanchez is at worse a no. 3/4 starter and could be as good as a no. 1…so Hart better be Chase Utley for me to trade for him.
People here REALLY like Sanchez
On days he is not pitching. Like today.
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Or like his last start?
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 21, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Hell no.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 21, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
great, reply fail…but NO to Sanchez for Hart! unless its Brett
by Artimus Clyde on Jul 21, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Lineup
Tonights Lineup: Torres cf, Sanchez 2b, Huff lf, Posey c, Sandoval 3b, Uribe ss, Ishikawa 1b, Schierholtz rf, Zito
Wilber Bucardo: Carlos Silva with a younger brother.
I am scout6, and I approve this lineup.
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I can dig this.
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 21, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I like this one a lot
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Easier to read Lineup
CF Torres
2B Sanchez
LF Huff
C Posey
3B Sandoval
SS Uribe
1B Ishikawa
RF Nate
P Zito
Wilber Bucardo: Carlos Silva with a younger brother.
Excellent.
Of course, I’ll say that about pretty much any lineup that does not include Rowand and Renteria.
I really still don’t mind Renteria and Uribe splitting time.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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THIS
Until he demonstrates otherwise, Renteria’s slap-single prowess and occasional multi-pitch AB is useful to this team. He is not a red matter-induced void of suck like last year.
Rent's numbers this year. SLG % ouch.
AVG OBP SLG wOBA
.296 .351 .365 .324
His UZR is 0.1, but its SSS, pretty meh.
Wilber Bucardo: Carlos Silva with a younger brother.
Yeah, he sucks — but most shortstops suck. His .324 wOBA this year puts him well above among starters.
Of course, he may not hold onto all that wOBA as his BABIP falls.
I may make a fool of myself here (since I am just going by what I see) but Rent’s defense seems well below that of an average SS. He has very little range and even when he gets to them he double clutches and bobbles more balls in a month than Omar V. has probably done in his whole career.
Maybe I just got really spoiled watching Omar work his magic at SS all those years as a Giant, but I’m more comfortable with Uribe there these days than Rent (and I’m not too hot on Uribe’s defense either).
I think right now
Uribe and Rent’s defense is a toss up to me.
Rent seems more sure handed, but no range and a weak arm.
Uribe has a cannon to make up for his bobbling finesse but he too has little range.
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Have you ever watched Everth Cabrera (or even Furcal) at short? The contrast is stark. Still, Rent seems to be barely qualify for the competent category.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 21, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I like Uribe as the super sub, moving around, giving guys rest and still getting plenty of ABs.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 21, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
This might be the best lineup possible
or very close to it.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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I think Bork has his Thinking Cap on this week
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I enjoy this lineup. Would prefer Nate to TI but that is splitting hairs. Stamped: Approved
I would like to talk to you about my pokemonz
Nate and TI are both in the lineup
What did you mean here?
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My liking for Bochy has grown these last 2 days.
Jeaaaggaahh
by Soulbrother16 on Jul 21, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Baggs LOL
Oh, also … Clayton Kershaw was suspended five games for drilling Aaron Rowand. He is appealing, perhaps on the grounds that he had eaten too many Twinkies. Dodgers Manager Joe Torre is serving his one-game suspension tonight and bench coach Bob Schaefer will serve his tomorrow — thus avoiding any more MattingLOLs.
Wilber Bucardo: Carlos Silva with a younger brother.
That's a big twinkie.
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I've seen stuff that'll turn your shit WHITE
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jul 21, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
is Baggs really making a Dan White Twinkies joke there?
That seems… imprudent.
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Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.
I’m more interested in the MattingLOLs. Seems McC like
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 21, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
For those who didn't get the Twinkees reference (like me)
“Twinkie defense” is a derisive label for an improbable legal defense. It is not an actual legal defense in jurisprudence, but a catchall term coined by reporters during their coverage of the trial of defendant Dan White for the murders of San Francisco City supervisor Harvey Milk and mayor George Moscone. White’s defense was that he suffered diminished capacity as a result of his depression. His change in diet from health food to Twinkies and other sugary food was said to be a symptom of depression. The media misinterpreted this defense as a claim that sugary food was itself responsible for White’s criminal behavior. White was convicted of voluntary manslaughter.
Wikipedia really is amazing.
Wilber Bucardo: Carlos Silva with a younger brother.
Ladies and Gentlemen of the 'supposed jury'
What does Chewbacca have to do with this case? Why am I talking about this? This does not make sense! This case does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor you must acquit.
by Viva Jon Miller on Jul 21, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Pao Gasol what?
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jul 21, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
There are Giants fans who didn't see "Milk"?
Not living through the 70’s I understand, but this was a great biopic.
Wiki Schmicky.
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
This pales in comparison to the Mo Vaughn Fat Defense
Two policemen said Vaughn failed eight sobriety tests when, returning from a Providence strip club at 2 a.m., he flipped his pickup truck after colliding with a car parked beside the highway.
“It was obvious that he was intoxicated,” Trooper Paul McCarthy said after several hours of sometimes combative cross-examination from defense attorney Kevin Reddington. “There’s no doubt in my mind.”
Mo Vaughn’s lawyer, Kevin Reddington, argued that baseball players gain weight during the offseason which affected his client’s balance and, in conjunction with walking on wet ground, caused Mo Vaughn to fail the sobriety test.
Mo Vaughn was acquitted of drunk driving charges.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Padres over Braves 1-0 in the 2nd
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 21, 2010 4:32 PM PDT reply actions
Dude, you do not want the Hanson Brothers coming after you.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 21, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
"Ah, but California..."
"Thank you, Coach (Theus). I'm about to kill y'all this half." --DeMarcus Cousins
WHY WON"T YOU DIE WHY WON"T YOU DIE WHY WON"T YOU DIE
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 21, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
2-0 now
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 21, 2010 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
2-2
Chipper Jones, will you ever stop being inexplicably awesome?
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Jul 21, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Way to run it, Grant
So the limb you’re going out on is…
“Now that the best of our minor leaguers are in the Show, I’m for trading some combination of the B and C prospects we have left to fill the obvious power gap in our lineup. The caveat being, if you want one of the B’s, we need an All-Star.”
Boy, you’ll say or do anything, you wild man! You are Dennis Fuckin’ Hopper!
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
New rule: seeing through my twisted rhetoric is still allowed, but no one is allowed to call me on it.
by Grant Brisbee on Jul 21, 2010 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Heh.
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
/banned
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 21, 2010 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s odd…he hasn’t responded to your comment. Maybe he CAN’T.
by Grant Brisbee on Jul 22, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
/laughs nervously
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 22, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL Grizzlies
Grizzlies declare 7/22 “Rule 8.06 Night” Fans to be rewarded in recognition of controversial Dodgers/Giants ruling http://bit.ly/d6IxZO
Buser Posey: He knows the rules!
Correction:
Grizzlies declare 7/22 "Rule 8.06 Night" Fans to be rewarded in recognition of controversial correct Dodgers/Giants ruling http://bit.ly/d6IxZO
Done
Wouldn’t it make sense to do it on 8/06?
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 21, 2010 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
This may be old-fashioned, but . . .
. . . does it not make sense to first assess your deficits, and then your surpluses, before designing mental trades? I will again post my favorite rota:
Player / Day # 1 2 3 4 5 6
Posey C ph C C 1B C
Huff 1B 1B 1B 1B ph 1B
FSanchez 2B 2B ph 2B 2B 2B
Renteria SS SS SS SS SS ph
Sandoval 3B C 3B ph C 3B
Uribe ph 3B 2B 3B 3B SS
Burrell LF LF ph LF LF LF
Torres CF CF CF CF CF ph
X RF ph LF RF ph RF
Schierholtz ph RF RF ph RF CF
Whiteside ph ph ph ph ph ph
Rowand ph ph ph ph ph ph
Downs ph ph ph ph ph ph
(The trio of Whiteside, Rowand, Downs is basically to provide double backing-up of every position, and should get minimal to zero use, as on any given day there are two “regulars” available to pinch hit.)
None of the names above can be replaced by a substantially better player at anything less than fantastic expense with the obvious exception of the unnamed “X”, who is nominally a right fielder but could be a center fielder. So the very obvious point to apply an upgrade of consequence is to get a big-bat RF or CF.
Meanwhile, the Giants have a verfy solid rotation that is young save for Zito, who is contractually immobile and so will also be here for a while. They have, were they to cull the garbage (Bautista, Casilla), a decent bullpen, certainly not one where any replacement will make a material difference.
So we have the need: a RF. What are the chips? Since the rotation is set for a while yet, obviously one or more of the better starters in the minors, which probably means Wheeler and/or Main (I am not expert on the Giants minor leagues).
If the Giants can get a good, fairly young, under-control RF (or CF) for one or even two minor-league starters, go for it. Otherwise, stand pat.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
I don't either.
But I mind him hitting.
As I argued extensively some while back in a FanPost, there is a colorable argument that his defensive skills might make his bat worth carrying—but there is no need to make that trade-off with intelligent use of the other excellent resources available.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Why not?
He’s no different than he was when he was being very effective, and it wasn’t all that long ago. He might need a brief period of being eased back into it, but catcher is what he came up as—the move to 3B was made after he arrived at the major-league level, and played there successfully as a catcher.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Have you heard of the Goofus Doctrine?
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 21, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, both of them.
And much power to him for them, because I think them wise and perceptive; but my claim to priority on both dates back 16 years (and that’s just when they were put down in print).
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
You can’t fight the power of a snappy nickname.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 21, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
you like symmetry, don't you?
When this .sig was awaiting the Final Sabean Apocalypse, I never once in a million years suspected it would be a "good" Apocalypse. Bengie... Don't let the door hit you IN YOUR GIANT ASS on the way out!
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game totally stalled and basically dead at this point
Braves tie it up! 2-2
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 21, 2010 5:15 PM PDT reply actions
DINGERZ.EXE!!
4-2 Braves!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 21, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL Affeldt
On Chronicle Live Dave Benz is interviewing Henry Schulman. At the beginning of the interview, Affeldt was standing next to Schulman trying to distract him during the interview.
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
I’m glad Affeldt is pitching well again, he’s a great dude. It was awesome to hear him on the post-game interview last night. He was joking that he’d just stick around and participate in the wrap.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
This Philadelphia- Man U game is awesome.
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 21, 2010 5:17 PM PDT reply actions
LOL Dodgers
extrabaggs
Dodgers bench coach Schaefer not serving suspension till tmrw, but Joe Torre says Don Mattingly will be running the game. No joke.
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
Just about to post this? wtf?
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 21, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
And Larry Bowa is on their bench who has managed. I dont get it
I would like to talk to you about my pokemonz
Gotta get back on the horse.
If (as I’ve heard rumored) Mattingly is Torre’s heir apparent, then giving Bowa more experience managing at Mattingly’s expense is pointless.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 21, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I didnt know he was the heir apparent
But in a contending situation I would rather have a guy who has been there before in an emergency
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My view is colored by my low opinion of Larry Bowa.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 21, 2010 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
What baseball rule Mattingly will break today and cost the Dodgers a game...
Wrong lineup card?
Sending the wrong player up to bat?
Double switching without telling the ump?
What will it be today?
Cookyman thinks he will end up hitting .280/.340/.440
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Cookyman HATES Posey and wants him to ingest old rosin bags!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 21, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Stand pat
If we’d all been told that the only team between us and the division crown were the assorted Padres, most of us would have been doing some moronic happy dance. That the Rockies are hot on our heels is a concern, but trading the farm when you are arguably (very bad argument) the best team in the division is … unwise. Posey’s confidence and performance seems to be infectious. He appears to be a hitter, catcher and leader.
Will we make the playoffs without adding another bat? Maybe. Will we make the playoffs adding another bat? Maybe.
Will making the playoffs with this group be fantastic? Yes. Will not making the playoffs with some farm-system-busting interloper be horrific? Yes.
Let’s go with what we’ve got. They’re a very entertaining bunch of … Giants.
PS: I really hope Zito plunks Furcal in the groin with the first pitch tonight.
May 28, 1978 ... A good day.
After reading that post
Epic jinx.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
To get someone of value, I’m not sure we really have the bargaining chips in the minor leagues. Maybe Belt or Wheeler, but I think it’s clear that to get someone real, we’ll probably have to move Sanchez.
I don’t think he will be traded.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
This
If anything we’ll have another ryan garko debacle.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Furcals numbers against the giants this season: hitting .516/.571/.839
eep.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
im pretty sure i can find 9 random games
where each one of our players equal those stats too
by aaroncallagher on Jul 21, 2010 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
It's like you're reading my mail...
I don’t want to assume that Posey isn’t going to turn into pure energy and ascend to the heavens…
THAT’S MY GREATEST FEAR
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?
Just read the final 30 minutes of the true blue game thread from last night
That was a extremely hilarious and enjoyable read, LOL NERD RAGE!
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
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