minor lines, 7/20/10
by steve S on Jul 21, 2010 11:59 AM PDT
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PrintTuesday highlights from the Giants' farm: both John Bowker, Francisco Peguero, Ben Copeland and Sharlon Schoop homered as part of a multi-hit efforts, and Felix Romero and Craig Clark combined for just one run in 12.0 IP.
AAA: Fresno lost to Salt Lake 9-8 (13 innings)
Fresno: LF John Bowker: 2 for 4, HR, 2B, 2 BB
Fresno: 3B Matt Downs: 1 for 3, 3 BB, PO
Fresno: CF Ben Copeland: 2 for 5, HR, SO, SB
Salt Lake: CF Peter Bourjos: 3 for 6, HR, BB, 2 SO
Fresno: SP Kevin Pucetas: 6.0 IP, 8 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 1 BB, 4 K--1 HR
Bowker had a big game with his 11th HR and 11th double while reaching base four times. Downs also reached base four times. Copeland had his 3rd HR. Bourjos, the Angels' probable top prospect in the upper minors, connected for his 9th HR in the 9th inning to tie the game.
Pucetas had his third straight start of 6.0 IP after not pitching longer than 5.0 IP in his previous six starts. His ERA is now above 5.50 after seventeen starts. He has a .326 BAA.
AA: Richmond defeated Trenton 8-3
(rallying for six runs in the 8th inning)
Richmond: RF Clay Timpner: 3 for 4, SO
Richmond: 2B Sharlon Schoop: 3 for 3, HR, BB
Richmond: SP Felix Romero: 6.0 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 3 K--1 HR
Richmond: RP Rafael Cova: 1.0 IP, 1 K
Schoop and Timpner each had three of the Flying Squirrels' nine hits. Schoop also had his 1st HR of the year. He had 3 HRs last year (in 320 AB in the Eastern League).
Romero bounced back from his last start (4 ER in 5.2 IP) with his his fourth very good start in his last five starts. Cova pitched a perfect 9th inning.
A+: San Jose lost to Stockton 8-6
San Jose: CF Francisco Peguero: 3 for 5, HR, SO, SB
San Jose: 3B Jose Flores: 2 for 3, 2B, BB, SB
San Jose: SP Oliver Odle: 5.0 IP, 8 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 1 BB, 6 K--1 HB
Peguero's three hits, including his 5th HR, raised his AVG above .300. Flores also reached base three times.
Odle's third straight start with 5 ER raised his ERA just above 4.75.
A-: Augusta defeated Greensboro 2-1
Augusta: RF Ryan Lollis: 2 for 3, CS
Greensboro: DH Kyle Skipworth: 0 for 5, 5 SO
Augusta: SP Craig Clark: 6.0 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 6 K--1 WP, 1 E
Augusta: RP Zach Wheeler: 0.2 IP, 2 H, 1 BB
Augusta: RP Jose Valdez: 1.0 IP, 2 K
Lollis was the only GreenJacket to reach base twice. His two singles raised his AVG to .290. Skipworth, whom the Marlins selected sixth overall two years ago, had rebounded from his first miserable season (.612 OPS), but he had a miserable night last night with the so-called olympic rings. The oh-fer took his OPS just below .800 after he had homered in three of his previous four games.
Clark's fourth start since returning from the DL was his most effective with 6.0 scoreless IP. Wheeler retired just two of his five hitters, while Valdez struck out two of his three hitters. Both Wheeler and Valdez have ERAs over 4.25.
ssA: Salem-Keizer defeated Vancouver 5-2
(scoring one run each of the 2nd through 5th innings)
Salem-Keizer: LF Raynor Campbell: 3 for 4, 2B, SH
Salem-Keizer: 1B Carlos Quintana: 2 for 3, 2 2B, BB, SO
Salem-Keizer: SP Edward Concepcion: 6.0 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 3 BB, 7 K--1 IBB, 1 WP
Salem-Keizer: SP Addison Proszek: 2.0 IP, 2 K
Both Campbell and Quintana reached base three times for the Volcanoes, with their five hits raising their respective AVGs to .270 and .303.
Making his seventh start, Concepcion had his third quality start. While his 7 K was not a season high, it was just his second time with more than 4 K in a start. Proszek has not allowed a baserunner through his first two NWL appearances.
R: Giants defeated Athletics 3-2
Scottsdale: RF Devin Harris: 1 for 2, HBP, SO, SB
Scottsdale: SP Austin Fleet: 4.2 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 6 K--1 WP
Scottsdale: RP Danny Otero: 1.1 IP, 1 K
Harris, the Giants' 48th rounder this year, was the only rookie Giant to reach base twice.
Fleet, the Giants' 16th rounder this year, has allowed 0 ER in four of his six starts. Otero had 1.1 perfect IP in his sixth appearance as he returns from surgery. He had a 1.15 ERA in 39 Eastern League games last year before getting hurt.
DSL: Giants at Nationals postponed by rain
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And Wheeler continues to work in relief
Do we know a reason why?
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
good question. Also any idea why he allowed 2H and 1BB in .2 IP?
Adopted Nut: Paraparaumu, New Zealand native, Andy Skeels
Because he pitched badly?
Ain't no Posey like a Buster Posey cause a Buster Posey don't stop...hitting.
Giants baseball: We're stupid enough to do that (TM)
I don’t think that he pitched that badly. Walking the first batter is never good, and then he gave up a soft single – not much he could do about that. He did bounce back to make a nice play off the mound to grab the bunt and throw the lead runner out at 3B for the 1st out (gotta love his athleticism) and got the 2nd out on a fly ball to CF. The 5th batter that he faced got a cheap infield single to SS to load the bases, and he got yanked. The 2 hits look big in the box score, but they were both cheap.
The question that I have is why did the manager yank Wheeler with 2 outs and the bases loaded? Isn’t that just the type of experience that they should want Wheeler to pitch in? Unless he was hurt, or on some inexplicably short pitch count, I think the Augusta manager blew it. BTW, this is the same manager that brought Jorge Bucardo in to pitch 1 inning of relief only 2 days after he pitched 6 innings during his regular start – all in a misguided attempt to try to win the 1st half division crown.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Were you at the game, Fla? What kind of velocity and arsenal were Wheeler working with?
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
No. I wasn’t there, I’m just going off the local newspaper article and the milb.com recap. If I had to guess though, I would say that he’s still probably only throwing his 4-seam FB, 2-seam cutter, and changeup in these short, 1 inning outings – like he did in the Futures Game.
I’m not concerned about him, I think the Giants do have some plan behind this, and it has nothing to do with being trade-bait (if they wanted to up his trade value they would have him start and just limit his pitch count so he went 3-5 innings). My guess (and it is a pure guess) would be that they have him working out with pitchng coach Steve Kline a lot on his off days to iron out the change in his mechanics that was on display in the Futures Game. Because of all this added throwing on the sidelines they are limiting him to 1 inning relief work.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Ah, ok. Sounded like first hand observation.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
Okay
I didn’t actually know, but I figured from the stat line.
Ain't no Posey like a Buster Posey cause a Buster Posey don't stop...hitting.
Giants baseball: We're stupid enough to do that (TM)
Check the local papers
You can often get detailed eyewitness accounts of crucial parts ot the games from the local papers. Between that and reading the play-by-play recaps on milb.com you can get a much better idea of how the games played out than you can by just looking at the stat line.The Giants’ affiliates in these small towns are big sports news, so they cover them like they were the major leagues.
I read each of these every morning, to keep track of the prospects, give it a try:
Fresno Grizzlies:
http://www.fresnobee.com/sports/grizzlies/index.html
Richmond Squirrels:
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/sports/baseball/flying-squirrels/
Augusta GreenJackets:
http://chronicle.augusta.com/sports/greenjackets
S-K Volcanoes:
http://www.statesmanjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=sports
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Oh I know, I read them all, too. Just in this case your comments had more value judgements than anything I’d read about Wheeler’s performance (in fact he wasn’t mentioned at all in the Augusta Chronicle story, which was almost entirely about Machemer) so I thought you’ might have seen (or heard) the game yourself.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
I imagine it has to do with his DL time and how much work he was able to get in.
Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!
by say hey nation on Jul 21, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Trade showcase? That’s what I keep thinking the longer he stays there – pitching in short stints so his stuff plays up. Or maybe his finger acts up after a certain number of pitches. I wish we had an answer.
by Dan from NM on Jul 21, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
My Belt tuminometer is falling...
He’s cooling off a bit after taking two 0-fer’s in a row. Scratch that. He is 2-4 in the game today with a triple. Schwing!
Adopted Nut: Paraparaumu, New Zealand native, Andy Skeels
Belt refuses to fall victim of the "Dude's Soooo Awesome" fanpost jinx
The money lies in the RBIs
-- Jeff Kent
I heard Belt started that jinx just so that he’d be immune from it.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Jul 21, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
must have a little bit of Posey in him
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
by slackersphere17 on Jul 21, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Wendell Fairley
on a hot streak. Warm, anyway. For July, 423 OBP and 485 SLG. They are batting him 6th, right after Culbey.
In 66 ABs in July, only 8 Ks and 3 BBs.
Before that, it was 203 AB, 50 K and 17 BBs. So I guess he started swinging more, and hitting more.
proud, yes I said proud, adoptive papa of "Geno" Eugenio Velez
what's his batting average, .400?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Yeah, he’s a weird one. I’m not paying attention to Fairley until he starts hitting a few doubles or something.
by Dan from NM on Jul 21, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
This
Yes, it was one game, but nothing about his overall hitting approach gave me hope.
Peguero and Monell (who hit into loud outs — how is he hitting only .240-ish?) and even Culberson, on the other hand, looked great at the plate. Culberson has a really compact swing. Monell stings the ball, even his outs were hit hard. And Peguero’s HR was a thing of beauty.
Another observation: James Simmons looks like he should be awesome. Great build for a power-hitting right-fielder.
"I wanted to pick a Rockie. But I dislike the Rockies. They're not bona fide." — Jon Miller on the postgame wrap, 7/1/10
by Giant Fan in Singapore on Jul 21, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I refuse to give up on him.
I ain't havin' it
by NuschlerFace on Jul 21, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Nostocks and I were at the game last night
We were shocked to learn that Fairley is a left-handed hitter. For some reason we always thought he was a righty. Regardless, he didn’t impress.
He did however make one good defensive play, running down a ball hit to the gap in left-center and laying out for it. Also sailed a throw over the cutoff man later in the game.
"I wanted to pick a Rockie. But I dislike the Rockies. They're not bona fide." — Jon Miller on the postgame wrap, 7/1/10
by Giant Fan in Singapore on Jul 21, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
ToJo hurt?
I speculated on Monday that Tommy Boy must have hurt his leg while running to 1B on a ground out during Sunday’s game. It was in the 4th inning, and ToJo was immediately yanked from the game. I now believe that he was indeed injured in some way, because he didn’t play at all in Tueday’s game, even though they had a day off to rest Monday.
Anybody heard any specifics?
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Romero
Wouldn’t it be great if Felix Romero were born in 1990, instead of 1980. Dude is too old to be taking up a starting slot in AA. Promote Surkamp already (I know, he’s injured).
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Sort of a noob but
I’m trying to become more familiar with the Giants farm system. Can someone tell me who exactly is a prospect and all that? It would be much appreciated.
you could search the archives
back around December—we voted on the top 40 or so prospects. Lots of discussion. Then look at the minor league affiliate team stats and rosters, note the younger players who are doing well.
proud, yes I said proud, adoptive papa of "Geno" Eugenio Velez
by foothillsfan on Jul 21, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Here’s the link to the community top 40.
If you’re feeling ambitious, you can check out all the discussions on the various prospects by going through the FanPosts here (warning, thousands of comments in total; going through #1 through #10-20 would be a good starting point).
Lastly, if you can afford it, you can’t go wrong with this.
Other than that, these threads that steve S puts up each day are a great source of info.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
Brandon Belt: Why we shouldn’t stop at 30.
by Evan on Jul 21, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks
Now to spend a day or so catching myself up.
by Carlosologist on Jul 21, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Checking minor lines on a regular basis is a good start.
The Giants don’t fare well against pitchers.
And going to whatever
minor league affiliate plays near you! I love my SJ Giants games when they come up near me
proud, yes I said proud, adoptive papa of "Geno" Eugenio Velez
by foothillsfan on Jul 21, 2010 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Rec’d
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
Oops. Rec fail.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
We should trade Bowker...
… for Denny Bautista!
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 22, 2010 9:14 AM PDT reply actions
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