Fears, worries, and other fun stuff
by Grant Brisbee on Jul 2, 2010 2:31 PM PDT
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PrintBecause this site is so focused on reporting the positive aspects of Giants baseball, there are times when I have to force myself to write something negative. This is one of those times.
Here’s a list of worries and fears I currently have regarding the San Francisco Giants baseball club:
- I worry that Eli Whiteside will start more than 40% of the time.
- I worry that the Giants will enter the trading deadline in limbo, not sure if they’re buyers or sellers.
- I worry that the Giants’ team ERA will rise in the second half, and that a vocal group of correlation-equals-causation goofballs will blame it all on Buster Posey.
- I worry that Aubrey Huff isn’t Fred McGriff in his prime, and that he’ll seriously regress in the second half.
- I worry that Matt Cain will never develop a great strikeout pitch, which is the only thing between his current awesomeness and a Tom Seaver-kind of awesomeness. Note these are both below a Mike Seaver-kind of awesomeness, which only Tim Lincecum has achieved, the little scamp.
- I don’t worry that Pablo Sandoval’s 2010 was a complete fluke. Dude’s young. He deserves patience. And patience deserves him. I hope. I do worry, though, that his performance against left-handers last year was a fluke. His minor league splits indicate that Sandoval is a player with some substantial platoon issues, which isn’t something we saw last year.
- I worry that the bullpen is going to get overworked, which makes me worried that I’m worried about the starting pitching being ineffective, which worries me.
- I don’t worry that young hitters won’t ever get a fair trial under Bruce Bochy. I know it. The final stage is acceptance, and that’s when the healing can begin.
- I worry that Aaron Rowand won his job back after two strong games. Two.
- I worry that Jeremy Affledt is broken. I worry that he’ll be broken next season too.
- I worry that John Bowker will never, ever, ever, ever get a chance to succeed with the Giants. I worry that the next team who employs him will be in the N.L. West.
- I worry that Bruce Bochy thinks that Travis Ishikawa’s .355 average in 31 at-bats as a pinch-hitter is evidence of anything. Not because I’m scared they’ll mismanage Ishikawa – it scares me because that’s a silly thing for anyone to believe.
- I worry that the Giants will never win again. Ever.
Thanks for being with me during this uncharacteristically anxious time. It’ll be all sunshine and puppies again tomorrow, like it usually is, I promise. Here’s a sample: I don’t worry about Bengie Molina being in the lineup anymore. I don’t worry about that!
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I worry that Aaron Rowand won his job back after two strong games. Two.
Indeed. RIP Andres :(
"Whoever said WAR is HELL must have been talking about Aaron Rowand" - McCoven faithful
under construction - www.benchrowand.com/ check back for progress!
You had a nice career, no sit down, because the money’s about to talk!
"Whoever said WAR is HELL must have been talking about Aaron Rowand" - McCoven faithful
under construction - www.benchrowand.com/ check back for progress!
now*
"Whoever said WAR is HELL must have been talking about Aaron Rowand" - McCoven faithful
under construction - www.benchrowand.com/ check back for progress!
But it don’t sing and dance and it don’t BB.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
off-topic
you are a sick, sick man, and a Neil Diamond fan.
but I repeat myself.
by wcw on Jul 2, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
You’re making some strong assumptions.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
it is my way
but really, who else knows that lyric? nobody else here noticed.
by wcw on Jul 2, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
“who else knows that lyric?”
Will Ferrell, for one.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Jul 2, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Will Ferrell likewise is a sick, sick man
the landlord lives
by wcw on Jul 2, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Those slimey bastards at Raley Field . . .
. . . made everyone stand and sing “Sweet Caroline” last night.
I refused.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Jul 2, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
That song should've been shot when it was first written.
"You can always recover from the player you didn't sign. You may never recover from the player you signed at the wrong price." --Billy Beane
"I am not an idiot."--Brian Sabean
by Sabean's_Folly on Jul 2, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
They play that every game at San Jose, unless they’ve changed it this season.
What’s the reason for it, anyway? What does it have to do with baseball? I’m lost on that “tradition”
I've got just three words for you: Duck The Fodgers
couldn't hit it sideways
I have been waiting for years for someone to use the first couple bars of ‘Non Alignment Pact’ as their intro music. I think this would be especially effective for a historically lights-out closer. But it is not to be..
by wcw on Jul 2, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
SWEEEEEET JAAAAAAAAAANE
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Someone working the music for the Red Sox about a decade back decided to play it for no good reason (possibly “the lulz” but who knows) and didn’t realize that people would sing along and want it to keep being played.
Why anyone else wanted to spread this horrible song across this fair nation is beyond me
I’m sure it started in Boston, but the rest of that story is almost certainly not true, because when I was going to school there in the early-mid 80s, it was (quite unfortunately) an absolute staple of every bar’s jukebox and at some point late in the night it would get played and a thunderous all-bar singalong would commence, complete with the truly annoying, full-voiced “bump, bump, bum” following along with the horns. They started playing it at the Sox games (I think in the late 80s) because it had long since been a sort of in-town institution that seemed to be the one thing kids at all the different schools could get together on.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
That and that horrible horrible Harry Chapin song both. Two worst things about nights out at the bars with friends when I was a BC student.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
Grammar fail
You put “horrible” and “Harry Chapin song” in the same sentence, which is, of course, scientifically unpossible.
"Row(and) will come out of this. You stay with your guys and he is one of our guys." - Bruce Bochy 05-31-10
"...and with Titanic's transverse bulkheads and watertight doors, it renders this vessel practically unsinkable." - "Shipbuilder" magazine, 1912
I saw the story (with interview) on ESPN’s website a few years back. If it is a local bar tradition, that explains everything.
Doesn’t explain the exporting of it, though.
it also doesn't explain
why the NY Rangers started playing it a few years ago… I think the coach and Jagr liked it, two more reasons to think it’s dumb.
"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Jul 3, 2010 5:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow, Posey returns to 1B? That was nice while it lasted…
"Whoever said WAR is HELL must have been talking about Aaron Rowand" - McCoven faithful
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I’d be a little surprised if Posey catches Lincecum at all this year.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Jul 2, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I bet they try it once.
If Tim doesn’t have a dominant outing, that’s the end of that.
I've got just three words for you: Duck The Fodgers
So… if Posey is playing first on the days that Whiteside is catching, does that mean that Bochy is going to want an emergency catcher on the team?
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Jul 2, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
we are all
probably available.
Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me.
McCoven: We're all happy to be wrong.
In case Whiteside can’t start?
Timmy would have to man up and throw to Buster (unless the issue is the other way around…), we’ve got a plethora of 1B, as you know.
I do wonder if Panda even still has his catcher’s gear…
I've got just three words for you: Duck The Fodgers
Just saw the lineup. Rowand free.
Buster Posey: "I'm a catcher." Brian Sabean: "I'm an idiot."
by rxmeister on Jul 2, 2010 2:48 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
D) All of the above
Hitler was a Dodgers fan.
by The Nick on Jul 2, 2010 2:39 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I’m worried Whiteside will start at catcher for more than 40% of the games.
I’m worried there is something more wrong with Lincecum than is being let on. I fear he might need Tommy John Surgery.
I’m worried this team will be stuck in the middle of NL West because they refuse to trade/sign a true cleanup hitter.
Tonight’s Lineup: Thankfully no Rowand
Torress CF
Sancehz 2B
Huff RF
…Burrell LF
Sandoval 3B
Uribe SS
Posey 1B
Whiteside C
Lincecum P
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
Dog shit, man
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 2, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
subject line, man
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on Jul 2, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
We’re so close to making me kind of happy… besides the whole losing all the time thing…
CF: Torres
2B: Franchez
C: Posey
RF: Huff
LF: Burrell
3B: Uribe
1B: Sandoval
SS: Renteria
P: Lincecum
VALUE OF RENTERIA IS UNDENIABLE
"Whoever said WAR is HELL must have been talking about Aaron Rowand" - McCoven faithful
under construction - www.benchrowand.com/ check back for progress!
If he does need TJ surgery (god(s) forfend)
they will have to rename it Timmy Jim surgery.
"I never think I’m a good player or a bad player. This is what I’m thinking: I can play. And I want to play." - Juan Uribe
I'm worried about you Grant,
you sound depressed. I’m worried that you won’t reach out to any of us until it’s too late.
Monday Monkey lives for the weekend, sir.
Grant needs more free Crown Royal from the Public House.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
Grant needs free Glenfarclas
because bad whisky is worse than no whisky at all
by wcw on Jul 2, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
the hell you talkin’ ’bout?
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Jul 2, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Why would they?
He’s already not on the 40-man roster because he’s on the DL, and they have to pay him for this year and next year no matter what.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
I don’t care if they keep DeRosa. Good guy and good utility man. The problem is if they go into the offseason and think that they don’t have to make massive improvements to the offense because DeRosa will be back.
Buster Posey: "I'm a catcher." Brian Sabean: "I'm an idiot."
by rxmeister on Jul 2, 2010 2:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m worried that Lincecum is more fragile than Bochy realizes, and he’s damaging Tim’s arm with all the “He’s a gritty gamer, he can pitch another inning even though he already looks bad” decision making.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
Remember all the “porcelain” jokes we made around here when Dusty Bochy kept him in too long the last couple of years? Isn’t it possible that Timmy might still be throwing 97mph if he had listened?
Buster Posey: "I'm a catcher." Brian Sabean: "I'm an idiot."
by rxmeister on Jul 2, 2010 3:01 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
he hasn't thrown 97 for a couple years now....
Stop with the Timmy throws 97 stuff. Even in his rookie season his average fastball was at 94 mph. Today: 91.5 and improving.
I’m worried that the Giants will finish the season 83-79 and ownership will take the “winning” season as reason to stay the course with Sabean and Bochy.
"I never think I’m a good player or a bad player. This is what I’m thinking: I can play. And I want to play." - Juan Uribe
by EliminateMe on Jul 2, 2010 2:52 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I worry that the Giants will enter the trading deadline in limbo, not sure if they’re buyers or sellers.
This is my biggest fear. As bad as the Giants sucked the last couple years, entering the trade deadline they were somehow always in limbo. Just trade Renteria, Uribe and Huff for new pieces and be done with it.
"I wanted to pick a Rockie. But I dislike the Rockies. They're not bona fide." — Jon Miller on the postgame wrap, 7/1/10
by Giant Fan in Singapore on Jul 2, 2010 2:53 PM PDT reply actions
This always makes me laugh. The Giants will never be sellers at the trade deadline because they have tickets, parking and food to sell. They will never give up on a season that early. If they unload because they’re out of it, they would do it closer to the waiver deadline of August 31.
Buster Posey: "I'm a catcher." Brian Sabean: "I'm an idiot."
by rxmeister on Jul 2, 2010 3:05 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I’ve never quite understood this logic… Shouldn’t the Pirates always be buyers at the trade deadline, then? They have tickets and all that to sell too.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
The Pirates can’t tell their fans “we’re in this thing” when they’re twenty games out. The Giants stay just close enough that they can continue to sell tickets.
Buster Posey: "I'm a catcher." Brian Sabean: "I'm an idiot."
by rxmeister on Jul 2, 2010 3:25 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
So why not just up their payroll, sign a bunch of middling veterans, act like they’re in it, and increase profits? It’s not like their current plan is selling tickets.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
they would rather
pay kids nothing and pocket their revenue sharing checks.
"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Jul 3, 2010 5:53 AM PDT up reply actions
This is my biggest worry (in the short term, at least), as well. I worry about a big, desperate move being made when I really don’t think this is the season for that. I would hope for some moves that bring about a younger core of players, but then I’d just spend time worrying about how the team would mismanage them.
I’m nervous about the coming trade deadline, but I’m trying to use the Molina trade a beacon of hope.
I worry about people worrying about Whiteside starting “more than 40% of the time”. The guy is just as bad as Molina. Anything more than occasional rest for Posey is unacceptable for a contending team.
I was promised lasagna.
Whiteside is much better than Molina.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jul 2, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
How so? Check out his track record. I’d be surprised if there’s a single major leaguer getting playing time who hit worse than Whiteside did in the minors.
And his career majors league numbers (which still come from under 250 PA’s, so aren’t that reliable), despite being better than what you’d expect from his minor league numbers, are still only slightly better than Bengie’s 2010 line.
I was promised lasagna.
In the absence of a reliable defensive metric for catchers it’s hard to argue authoritatively, but I think catcher is a defensive position and Whiteside is a much better defender than Molina. Admittedly, he can’t hit a lick.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 2, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s definitely a better defender than Molina at this point, but to be honest I’m pretty sure he’s not as good of a hitter, so overall they’re probably about the same.
I was promised lasagna.
LOL "molina" and "hitter" in same sentence
"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Jul 3, 2010 5:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I worry that you’re worried about people worrying about Whiteside starting more than 40% of the time. What, in Bochy’s resume, makes you think people are unreasonable for worrying about that?
I mean hell, it’s not like Bochy is planning to play Whiteside more for the “short term” or anything, right?
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Clearly, this team still thinks that the catchers have more to do with how the pitchers pitch than they actually do. If the staff wasn’t having some troubles, I wonder if they would have traded Bengie. On the other hand, can they really think Eli Whiteside is the answer?
I don’t know, but this promises to be an issue from here on out, Bengie trade notwithstanding. Sorry, Gerald.
by kdl on Jul 2, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
This this this this this this
I worry that John Bowker will never, ever, ever, ever get a chance to succeed with the Giants. I worry that the next team who employs him will be in the N.L. West.
Also for jponry (or anyone else worried about The Last Airbender movie): http://io9.com/5576076/m-night-shyamalan-finally-made-a-comedy (Spoilers ahead)
You have been drawn into a place where you will lose, not only your power as an audience member, but quite possibly your mental faculties altoghether. You are lost in the wilderness, and Shyamalan is your trickster guide on a journey into nothingness, from which only your soul-dead shadow will ever return. Too late, you understand: This is the last logic-bending movie you will ever be able to sit through.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
John Bowker in Dodger Blue??
NOOOO!!!!
by 49erEmpire on Jul 2, 2010 3:03 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
On The Bruce Bochy Show before the game yesterday, Bochy said he’s going to have Whiteside do more catching, and he’s going to catch Lincecum for now. He doesn’t think Posey is ready for that. I think he said he might catch Cain too.
I’m going to cain Bochy, I swear.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
You’re going to not score any runs in a game that he pitches well in?
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Jul 2, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
If there’s a legitimate beef between Posey and Lincecum – as has been hinted at – then I guess it’s okay that Buster doesn’t catch Tim. It’s already seems to established that Jonathan really likes to throw to Eli. So there’s 40% of your games. THERE IS NO REASON FOR ELI TO CATCH ANY OTHER GAMES YOU MORON OF A MANAGER!
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
I worry that the Giants’ team ERA will rise in the second half, and that a vocal group of correlation-equals-causation goofballs will blame it all on Buster Posey.
This one this one this one
I also worry that Tim and Pablo will become huge scapegoats when things go wrong and the fans will turn on them (they’ve already turned on Pablo… and he has been bad this year, but he wouldn’t be the first player to have a big first season, a mediocre second season and then bounce back by the third year.)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
He deserves it, though…he’s a fat ass who clearly doesn’t take being in shape seriously.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jul 2, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
this is happening
Mediocre teams always scapegoat their best players for not being good enough.
Mark DeRosa just got the damn surgery.
I think we’re definitely going to get some revisionist history about Molina if the team doesn’t have a good second half (forgetting the slide into 4th place while he was here, of course). I’m not sure it will be loud enough to convince Sabean that his motivation was wrong on the trade, though.
And I think Sandoval will be able to win the crowd back pretty quickly once (if) things start looking up again. I think at the moment he just embodies so much of what’s frustrating about the team that until things start working well again, venting frustration at the guy is more appealing to some than wearing silly hats and having fun with him.
The team record with or without Bengie is irrelevant. Even if they’re worse, Posey had to take over eventually and have his rookie growing pains. No fan in their right mind would think that Bengie should have stayed.
Buster Posey: "I'm a catcher." Brian Sabean: "I'm an idiot."
by rxmeister on Jul 2, 2010 3:29 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
/points at KNBR and Facebook
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
The sad thing about Pablo being a scapegoat is that he hasn’t even been bad. He’s just been a regular old pretty okay starter. But people will be willing to overlook players who have been worse to scapegoat him.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Jul 2, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
0_0
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Jul 2, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Or, wouldn’t be the first to be Ben Grieve, 1998 ROY.
That worries me.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Jul 2, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
this one is a given
I worry that the Giants will enter the trading deadline in limbo, not sure if they’re buyers or sellers.
Mark DeRosa just got the damn surgery.
I’m kind of scared of being buyers. Yes, we’re only 5.5 back, but there are 3 teams ahead of us, not one. I’m sure someone can run the numbers, but just intuitively, I’d bet a team is more likely to outplay another team by, say, 9 games, than it is to outplay one team by 6 games, a second team by 4 games, and a 3rd team by 2 games.
I was promised lasagna.
/trades Neal, Peguero, and Wheeler for Molina
"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Jul 3, 2010 5:55 AM PDT up reply actions
OT: OH MY GOODNESS GHANA BLEW IT
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Brazil blew it as well, yea, todays games were fantastic
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Same, the Ghana PK was fantastic and very intense, and the extra time, and the same goes for Felipe Melo who had a good/bad/ugly game
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Ha, it's all good dude, i don't care much for it at all either
but i’ll definitely go to a game or sit and watch it on TV
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
my best friend and all his family are all 100% Italian, needless to say I have been giving them a ton of shit
IN TIMMY WE TRUST
WELL DONT ACT LIKE YOUR COUNTRY IS FUCKING AWESOME
your country is only famous for PIZZA AND PASTA
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
GET A SOCCER TEAM!!!!
/understands that Italy won it in 2006
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
They're a powerhouse, i'm sitting with my step bro, he's italian
so i’m astonished
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Aight, i'm calling it, ARMENIA WILL WIN THE UEFA EURO 2012!
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Sierra Nevada Brewing company pizza, SUCK IT DUDE
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Also, the Renaissance. That was kinda big.
"I never think I’m a good player or a bad player. This is what I’m thinking: I can play. And I want to play." - Juan Uribe
Oh, and the Roman empire, that was a little bit famous also.
"I never think I’m a good player or a bad player. This is what I’m thinking: I can play. And I want to play." - Juan Uribe
They would have been knocked out by now anyways. I adopted Uruguay as my country to root for. I love Forlan (no homo).
FREE BUSTER POSEY
They are definitely on fire
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Yeah, those shootouts are soccer at its best.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 2, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
DAMMIT
I had the game recorded and was carefully avoiding the “OT WORLD CUP” fanpost where your OT WORLD CUP comment would have been really really appropriate and not spoiler-ish.
"I never think I’m a good player or a bad player. This is what I’m thinking: I can play. And I want to play." - Juan Uribe
I don’t know who I’m rooting for anymore.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Jul 2, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m going for Argentina, Messi is so sick
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I can’t root for Argentina until more than three of their starters play well.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Jul 2, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
messi's been bad... yea, Tevez, and that other dude
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Deutschland, Deutschland Ueber Alles!
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
GO BASTIAN!!! YOUR NAME LITERALLY TRANSLATES TO PIG-CLIMBER!
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
There are several ways to translate to steigen: climb, get up, get off, flip, increase, ascend, lift. It really depends on the context and the modifier used.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Pig Get-Offer?
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Jul 2, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
there is no way that is correct
even if ‘steiger’ is one of the few German words with more than one meaning
by wcw on Jul 2, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
YOU HAVE YOUR REASONS, I HAVE MINE
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I'd love to see a Uruguay/Argentina final.
When I lived in Buenos Aires I’d take the hydrofoil ferry to Colonia del Uruguay, and then the bus to Montevideo. Urugayans are really warm people, their women are lovely, they have great restaraunts and they have a lovely habit of drinking Yerba Mate perpetually.
"You can always recover from the player you didn't sign. You may never recover from the player you signed at the wrong price." --Billy Beane
"I am not an idiot."--Brian Sabean
by Sabean's_Folly on Jul 2, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
With all the LeBron crap going on
doan worry, poplo loe he team, he wan get berry good for body to play the beisbol
Proud Aussie father of Roberto Kelly
DUDE, LEBRON IS BETTER THAN EVERY ATHLETE TODAY
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
LOL CUBS
Top 7th: Cincinnati
- B. Arroyo walked, J. Gomes scored, J. Bruce to third, R. Hernandez to second
- B. Phillips walked, J. Bruce scored, R. Hernandez to third, B. Arroyo to second
- R. Hernandez scored, B. Arroyo to third, B. Phillips to second on passed ball
- S. Rolen singled to shallow center, B. Arroyo scored, B. Phillips to third, J. Votto to second
- J. Gomes doubled to deep center, J. Votto and S. Rolen scored
- R. Hernandez doubled to deep left, J. Gomes and J. Bruce scored
doan worry, poplo loe he team, he wan get berry good for body to play the beisbol
Proud Aussie father of Roberto Kelly
thank heavens there is a big-market team worse than the giants
at least I think they’re worse
by wcw on Jul 2, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
They’re actually kind of good. Like better record than the Giants good.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Well, that’s good, good for them, about time something panned out for them
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Pro-Tip:
To defeat the boss, shoot at it until it is dead.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Jul 2, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL CYBER DEMON
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
I’m not excited about it. I dislike the Mets. They beat the Giants in the post-season and that is unforgivable.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
NEVER SURRENDER! NEVER GIVE UP!
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
2002 IS OVER, 2001 IS OVER, 2003 IS OVER, It's 2010, but yea
Reminded me of this: “Follow me, Fox. This way, Fox. Never give up. Trust your instincts. You’ve become so strong, Fox.”
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
BUT IT'S SO COMFY HERE
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
holy shit
that’s a whole lot of suck right there
by 49erEmpire on Jul 2, 2010 3:24 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I worry that Stephen Strasburg will actually be an all star
I would like to talk to you about my pokemonz
I worry the giants will never win a world series
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Not possible
They already have won many World Series.
I don’t. I take it as a given.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 2, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
You worry!!!
Take a place in line, kid.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Jul 2, 2010 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I worry that Pat Burrell will play every day for the next two years on the basis of his performance so far.
El Person!!!
I worry that he'll play the rest of the season
based on his performance in the first couple of weeks
"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Jul 3, 2010 5:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Bumgarner and Neal for Upton
BJ
by ThePasswordisWillieMcgee on Jul 2, 2010 3:28 PM PDT reply actions
stop thinking so small
Lincecum and Cain for David DeJesus
by wcw on Jul 2, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Disagree...Lincecum and Posey for DeJesus...need to keep some pitching
by ThePasswordisWillieMcgee on Jul 2, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
You're doing it wrong
Lincecum 4 Fielder
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 2, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm worried about the lack of home games during July
With the Giants playing piss poor on the road, I fear they will be way behind 1st place in the division and the Wild Card by the start of August.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
This does not actually worry me.
Then they would definitely be sellers. I want them to win, but I prefer them to be more clearly defined in their standing then being in limbo as previously mentioned.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
I worry we'll suck and the Dodgers win the divisioin.
Wilber Bucardo: Carlos Silva with a younger brother.
I'm worried
that Alex Smith might not be the answer at QB
oh wait.
by 49erEmpire on Jul 2, 2010 3:40 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS SOME MORE!
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
SHUT UP JERK AND GO BACK TO NINER NATION, WE'RE RAIDERS FANS
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
What is everyones prediction for our record at at the All Star Break?
We’re 40-38 with 10 road games left.
My prediction is that we are 44-44 headed into the break.
I think we will eke in above .500
46-42
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
20-68
Molina’s game calling skills being off the team will cause the Giants to lose games retroactively.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Jul 2, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
40-48
Whatever Sabean thinks about the IQ of the average baseball fan, you just proved him right.
by cybermaldonado on Jul 2, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Setting the bar a little high, aren't we?
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
I worry about the barest shade above mediocrity...
…bad enough to miss out on all of the postseason fun and yet not shitty enough to cause an all-out revolt that would result in the public lynching of Bochy & Sabean.
I’m afraid that the Giants will waste this wonderful starting pitching and wallow along as a big steaming pile of “meh”.
This
In other words – basically the same result as the last 6 seasons.
Whatever Sabean thinks about the IQ of the average baseball fan, you just proved him right.
by cybermaldonado on Jul 2, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
You people are too well-adjusted
I worry that Matt Cain will get disgusted with this nonsense and demand a trade.
I worry that Bill Neukom is incapable of understanding just how incompetent Brian Sabean is.
I worry that Brian Sabean will do just enough to justify Neukom keeping him in his job.
I worry that Bruce Bochy will be the Giants manager next year. And the following years.
I worry an entire generation of Giants fans will grow up cynical, believing that their team’s management cares only about making the most money, not winning the most games.
I worry that John Bowker will wind up hitting 38 HR for Cincinnati in 2012.
I worry that Gary Brown is exactly who we think he is.
I worry that John Barr will leave the Giants, and Dick Tidrow will retire.
I worry that Pablo Sandoval will be moved to 1B, and the FO will think that’s a good move.
I worry that Mike Krukow will get a higher-paying job elsewhere and leave.
I worry that the current ownership group will sell the team… to the current 49’ers group.
I worry that Giants management will finally get smart this year, realize we should be sellers rather than buyers, but then trade away Huff and FSanchez while keeping Uribe and Renteria and Rowand.
I worry that OGC isn’t sufficiently worried.
I worry that Sabean will trade prospects for veterans. Again. And again. And again.
I worry that I will die before the Giants win the World Series again. Seriously. No joke.
"Row(and) will come out of this. You stay with your guys and he is one of our guys." - Bruce Bochy 05-31-10
"...and with Titanic's transverse bulkheads and watertight doors, it renders this vessel practically unsinkable." - "Shipbuilder" magazine, 1912
That last one...
That’s the one I’ve really worried about. I’m 53, and this year, for the first time, I’ve come to accept that they probably won’t win a World Series in my lifetime.
I’ve decided to be OK with that.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?
I’m 54. And I’m scared.
"Row(and) will come out of this. You stay with your guys and he is one of our guys." - Bruce Bochy 05-31-10
"...and with Titanic's transverse bulkheads and watertight doors, it renders this vessel practically unsinkable." - "Shipbuilder" magazine, 1912
I believe I came to this conclusion when I was nine years old
in 1979
by wcw on Jul 2, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
You are wise beyond your years.
"Row(and) will come out of this. You stay with your guys and he is one of our guys." - Bruce Bochy 05-31-10
"...and with Titanic's transverse bulkheads and watertight doors, it renders this vessel practically unsinkable." - "Shipbuilder" magazine, 1912
51 and pretty sure it will happen in 2028
I’ll be that creaky old dude at the big phone they interview on TV.
Adopted Son:Matt Downs MLB , Now with More STATZ goodness !Matt Downs Fangraphs The Juan Uribe of 2011 !
Then let’s you and me plan on being balldudes together sometime around 2030. See you there!
"Row(and) will come out of this. You stay with your guys and he is one of our guys." - Bruce Bochy 05-31-10
"...and with Titanic's transverse bulkheads and watertight doors, it renders this vessel practically unsinkable." - "Shipbuilder" magazine, 1912
I’m 28, and I’m scared.
THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME (for 3 days in 1995).
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Jul 3, 2010 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
the Barr and Tidrow thing
and add Lincecum to your first line.
"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Jul 3, 2010 5:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I worry that the FO may squander the best starting rotation the SF Giants have ever had.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
win
I’m starting to wonder if last year was the year they should have sold the farm, rather than just a couple of tractors.
"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Jul 3, 2010 6:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Half-full version:
•I worry that Aaron Rowand won his job back after two strong games. Two.
I hope that some AL-team was scouting during those games and convinces his ownership that ARow is the missing piece for their team.
HOPE???
There’s no hoping in baseball. Just worry.
"Row(and) will come out of this. You stay with your guys and he is one of our guys." - Bruce Bochy 05-31-10
"...and with Titanic's transverse bulkheads and watertight doors, it renders this vessel practically unsinkable." - "Shipbuilder" magazine, 1912
And crying.
Don’t forget the crying.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Jul 2, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I saw Toy Story 3 yesterday
It was one of the most beautiful experiences of my life. And I really mean that.
doan worry, poplo loe he team, he wan get berry good for body to play the beisbol
Proud Aussie father of Roberto Kelly
Everytime someone writes Toy Story 3 a good review, an angel gets it's wings.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
I worry that the French archeologist’s staff is the right length and that Hitler will get the Ark.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
I'm pretty optimistic about that one
After all, THEY’RE DIGGING IN THE WRONG PLACE!
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
Mere molehills
All those things that you list are indeed worrisome, but mere molehills. Why worry about the little things when there are 2 gigantic things that continue to hold back our potential greatess?
I worry that BS and Bochy will survive this offseason without losing their jobs. ’Nuff said.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
greatess = greatness
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
You talking about LeBron James? because that's him
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
lulz Twilight has almost certainly already made more than $100 million, and it’s not even Saturday yet.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
I am worried there are enough morons in the world to fund that madness.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
I’m worried about what this fact says about all of us. Yes, even you.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Jul 2, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I would normally be against Twilight making so much money, but if it means that TLA makes only like $20 mil opening weekend, I’m okay with it.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
TLA estimated $16 million for Thursday.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Jul 2, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
For Thursday alone? :(
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Yarg.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Jul 2, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay, I guess I’m hoping for like $50-60 or something and then it bottoms out quickly a word of mouth reveals the movie to be unwatchable.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I'm gonna see "Breaking Dawn" posted a link yesterday why
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I remember.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Jul 2, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Aight, so you're bringing the pizza, right?
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Whoa whoa whoa there… you didn’t say anything about buying anything.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Jul 2, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
You want to see the baby ripped out of Bella’s stomach?
You want to see the werewolf imprint on the baby?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I wanna get drunk and mock Twihards.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
So long as . . .
. . . no chickens are injured in the course of the production.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Jul 2, 2010 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL VAMPIRE C SECTION
EVERYONE OK WITH TEENAGER GETTING PREGNANT BY VAMPIRES
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
She's already married too, which is already messed up
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
OT: Legos
Anybody know if superglue works on legos? (I was going to try it out for myself, but I have no superglue handy.)
Wrong thread
You want the “Good-bye, Bengie, and thanks” thread.
"Row(and) will come out of this. You stay with your guys and he is one of our guys." - Bruce Bochy 05-31-10
"...and with Titanic's transverse bulkheads and watertight doors, it renders this vessel practically unsinkable." - "Shipbuilder" magazine, 1912
who started this thing "Wrong thread"
because i’m definitely confused right now
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I should think so
unless the sg dissolves the lego. But I doubt that. Tired of Mr. Merope knocking down your construction?
"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Jul 3, 2010 6:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Shift-A
I’m chiefly worried that Neukom will retain Sabean. I’m almost as worried that even if he doesn’t, he’ll visit another abomination unto us. After those, other worries are like ants in a tiger pit.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
The Franchise & The Panda
I fear Timmy’s mojo and fastball are both in decline never to return to 2008/9 heights.
I fear Pablos’s aggressiveness has eaten the patience he showed in the second half last year and it will never return.
I worry that by the end of this year and well into next year, we still won’t know what we have with Nate and John.
01.19.2010
r.i.p. buster posey
Wave them home Tim Flannery, wave them home.
We Knew They Were AAAA At The Beginning Of The Year
There is little reason to have any realistic hope that this will ever change.
by giantsrainman on Jul 2, 2010 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Yin and yang
I guess you balance out Martin’s excessive optimism with your developmental pessimism. So, thanks. Sort of.
"Row(and) will come out of this. You stay with your guys and he is one of our guys." - Bruce Bochy 05-31-10
"...and with Titanic's transverse bulkheads and watertight doors, it renders this vessel practically unsinkable." - "Shipbuilder" magazine, 1912
You needn't worry whether we will.
It is certain that we won’t. No need to worry about it.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
I worry
that as I’ve stated before, Tim’s peaked and it’s all downhill from here for him. (as someone suggested above maybe he needs TJ?) Scarey stuff.
That Sabean will trade J.Sanchez + prospects for DeJesus, sign him to an extension, and expect him to carry the offense. DeJesus will quickly morph into Randy Winn, but with a lot less class.
That the bullpen will not be fixed. There is a reason Casilla/Bautista/Mota/Ray were banished/let go for nothing. They are not that good.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Jul 3, 2010 4:07 AM PDT reply actions
I worry that this is "The Giants Way"
Seeing Neukom next to Lasorda a couple weeks ago I just couldn’t shake the thought that only one person in that shot knows shinola about baseball.
I worry that the fans who actually hate the dodgers are in the minority.
I worry that the giants don’t have the balls to knock anybody down when they feel a little too comfortable in your park, as Krukow so aptly pointed out about the Dodgers the other night.
I worry that the greatest pitching in a generation will never get the offensive support it deserves.
I worry that this organization has not produced an offensive all star since 1987.
by Clark woulda had it on Jul 4, 2010 10:08 AM PDT reply actions
I worry that BS truly in his heart of hearts still does not believe that signing Guerrero in 03 would have been the right move.
I worry that BS truly believes that Tucker +Mohr + Rios for the same amount of money > or = Guerrero
I worry that middling veterans who need a chance to prove that they aren’t washed up are all we will ever be able to attract here by free agency.
I worry that “the fans here are great” because they shut up and fork over their money for dipppy ass panda hats instead of rising up in rebellion and slaying our idiotic overlords.
by Clark woulda had it on Jul 4, 2010 10:16 AM PDT reply actions
Pablo's woes
His being young is not acceptable at this stage. He is a self-proclaimed hitter that doesn’t hit enough to pull his weight which is 25 pounds too much. He is not improving technique. No more mister nice guy. Send him down to get his stoke and to lose some weight. He does not have fielding range at this weight. He is a BUST. Let’s get real! He’ll be good again at 20-25 pounds less and not before. Watch the other teams’players. No one is as ft as Pablo and Molina
Molina gone. if we can lose Rowand it willbe a big help.
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