JP Ricciardi on Lincecum/Rios trade?
I thought this answer from from Blue Jays GM JP Ricciardi was interesting. He refuses to name names, but the timing fits the supposed Rios trade from a couple season ago (if so, it means that the Giants had agreed to the trade):
"But I had a trade done a couple of years ago where the trade was finalized, I won’t mention the players, but a pretty prominent player. Had him traded, everything was all set, told the president this is what we are trying to do, kept him in the loop. I went back, already signed off with the team, I said, I’ll just get right back to finalize, let me run it by my president.
I went and told the president and the president told me, You know what, I’m a really big fan of that guy, and I think the fans are, too. I think if we trade him, we’re really going to catch it. And I said, OK, it’s your call. I said I recommend we do this, but he said no, and we didn’t trade him and the guy we could have traded him for is absolutely tearing it up right now. So, that’s why you can’t be a fan when you make those choices.".
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I hope that is about the Lincecum Rios deal, and that evidence of that emerges, so I can go back to properly hating Sabean. I never thought about it until the Molina deal, how much that hatred nourishes me.
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The Molina deal was in fact a good deal, but it was only necessary because of Sabean’s dumbass move to re-sign Molina in the first place and deprive us of two months of Gerald D. Posey, which means that my soul has not missed the nourishment that hating Sabes provides.
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by Giant Torture on Jul 20, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Isn’t “tearing it up” something you only say about hitters? Though I don’t know why they would trade Rios for a hitter.
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Depends on what "a couple years ago" means
But, could be BJ Ryan or AJ Burnett, if we’re thinking it was pitcher for a hitter.
And the fact that he seems sad about it suggests whoever he was trading isn’t producing anymore or isn’t playing for the Jays.
There’s some others that might fit.. Rolen’s a “fan favorite”.
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At this point it’s all speculation, and as far as we know, Lincecum for Rios was a Media creation. There is no guarantee that trade was even on the table. I agree with you, it could very easily been AJ Burnett or Roy Halladay for that matter.
I mean what are we doing here? We want to get mad @ OMG Giants agreed to Lincecum for Rios. LOSERS.
There is no mentioning of Rios as the player in the deal
If he is, there is no guarantee that the Giants is the team for which they were going to deal with. It could easily have been, say, to the Rangers for Josh Hamilton or something.
Even if it is with the Giants, it could have been for (gasp) Matt Cain or somebody else.
It is just way too far stretched to associate JP’s quote with Giants agreeing to Lincecum for Rios.
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Ya – who knows, there’s too many variables. Also, I have a pretty tough time believing the Jays had Rios for Lincecum lined up for sure and couldn’t pull the trigger.
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http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071205&content_id=2319216&vkey=hotstove2007&fext=.jsp
Deciding whether they need Tim Lincecum more than they do Toronto Blue Jays outfielder Alex Rios is an issue the Giants could ponder for days after the Winter Meetings end on Thursday.
Trading Lincecum, their promising right-hander, remains a possibility for the Giants, who sorely need a hitter of Rios’ skill.
“It’s still alive,” Sabean said on Wednesday of the potential deal.
I was promised lasagna.
Rios for Lincecum is one of the few times I ever remember Sabean discussing a specific trade. He usually refuses to talk specifics, or even names, but I heard him spend most of an interview with Ralph and Tom discussing the potential trade in detail (he was probably relieved that the wasn’t being raked over the coals).
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"Isn’t "tearing it up" something you only say about hitters?"
That was my first reaction too. A pitcher would be “dominating.”
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It could fit, but I wouldn’t dismiss the possibility that Riccardi is using the time honored method of reputation burnishing where you keep all the details just vague enough to lessen the possibility that anybody calls you out on it. “Lincecum? Oh no, I wasn’t talking about him. Just … you know … some guy… some guy whose tearing it up … just like I predicted he would… that guy I wanted.”
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That’s my take too. He did a bad job, got fired, and now he’s trying to say his boss prevented him from making great trades that would have had them right up there with the Yankees and Red Sox in the AL East. Maybe he could explain the Rios and Wells contracts while he’s at it, and also mention how he held on to Rios way too long so that he was forced to give him away.
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by rxmeister on Jul 20, 2010 5:30 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
And pretty sucky drafting
And LOL pitchers injuries (though this is not entirely him)
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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And he can blame that LOL Vernon Wells contract on ownership.
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by say hey nation on Jul 20, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
The other thing that makes me think it isn't Lincecum...
He calls the player they were trading for “pretty prominent”. If you’re discussing Lincecum at this point, I think you use something better than “pretty prominent” when discussing someone with multiple CYAs and All-Star appearances.
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Disagree on this splicing of the verbage.
He’s trying to be as vague as he can be while still telling an interesting story. “prominent” is the perfect word for this as it could have many meanings.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Personally
I would say Tim is “prominent”. I’d call a lesser star “pretty prominent”.
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Well, he doesn't want to narrow it down.
It’s akin to saying “star” rather than “superstar” Star is accurate, but a bigger bucket of names to draw from, Superstar might be more accurate, but a smaller bucket. He’s trying to creat impact without giving it away I think…Prominent could also mean well-known, but not necessarily outstanding from a performance standpoint.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
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