Buster Posey: Not a first baseman
by Grant Brisbee on Jul 14, 2010 10:51 AM PDT
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PrintIt’s hard to get a read on how this site represents the general Giants fan. I mean, you’d all wear robes for me and cut off body parts and sing songs as we waited for the locust volcano in 2012, right? That’s what you agreed to when you accepted the terms and conditions of this site, at least. We all think alike in this hive mind of ours. I form an opinion, and you accept it as your own.
Well, not really. But there certainly weren’t too many people around here who thought it would be a bad idea to start 2010 with Buster Posey at catcher. Out in the real world, there were folks who were just sure that Posey would embarrass himself and the team if he had to catch 130 or 140 major league games. He doesn’t frame pitches well, they claimed. He allows too many passed balls, they said. It was a little bit of an echo chamber in here and on other internet-type sites, but not out there. There were people with honest reservations.
My favorite excuse for why Posey couldn’t catch yet was the implication that he just couldn’t call a major league game yet. I pictured Bengie Molina in front of a 8’x10’ dry-erase board the night before a game, drinking coffee and writing an 80-page treatise on how Tim Lincecum should pitch to Corey Hart, while Posey stayed up all night drinking Hawaiian Punch and designing an awesome course for Excitebike. This world view turns every catcher -- every single one of them -- into a scholar and savant through experience alone. Experience in this world is like a goose who nibbles at the grass of your efforts and poops out aptitude, which then fertilizes the grass of your efforts. The cycle is then complete, but please note that you can’t start the cycle until you’re in it.
If Jonathan Sanchez throws three pitches, your job as a catcher is to know which of those pitches is his strongest, which one he can throw for strikes in a bases-loaded situation, which one he’s most likely to leave on a tee for Albert Pujols...there’s a lot to learn. There’s a lot to learn about the opposing hitters, too. Here’s the thing, though: the gap isn’t that huge between the catcher who learns all of that through experience and the catcher who uses common sense while picking the brain of his pitching coach. How long would it take a rookie catcher to figure out that Sanchez shouldn’t throw anything but a fastball if he needs a strike? Not long if he’s been watching the games. And if the rookie catcher calls for a 3-2 slider and misses, Dave Righetti just might sidle over after the inning is over and say something.
When Bengie Molina was allowing "wild pitch" after "wild pitch", and when runners were stealing bases like crazy (mostly off the Giants’ pitching, to be fair), the people who were convinced that Posey couldn’t handle a pitching staff yet had just one rock on which to cling. And when the Giants starting staff started to struggle a bit, when it became clear that Molina wasn’t made of magic, some of the anti-Poseyeans started to come around. It’s been two weeks since Posey was anointed the starting catcher -- is anyone still even thinking about Posey behind the plate until he does something impressive? He blends in. He’s a catcher.
So now that it’s obvious he should have been the starting catcher all along, we have the awesome "If it’s working out now, we must have handled the situation well" explanation from management. It’s as if those 32 games in Fresno this year were some sort of Gladwellian tipping point. After Posey's 31st game as a catcher this year, an angel came down and sneezed on him, which made him call for fastballs instead of one-fingered dropsy-dos. So thank goodness Molina was there to bridge the gap.
You can take that position, those who didn’t think Posey was ready. You can hold firm and believe what you want to believe. After the jump, I’ll reveal my counterpoint to that argument.
Neener neener neener neener we were right neener neener neener neener we’re smarter than you neener neener neener neener neener neener neener neener neener neener neener neener neener neener neener neener neener neener neener neener the Geno’s Pizza Rolls our moms bring down to the basement make us sooooo smart neener neener neener neener neener neener neener neener neener neener neener neener neener neener neener neener we were right. We were right. You were wrong. Buster Posey is a fine defensive catcher right now, just as he was in March. Neener.
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Terms and conditions?
If we have a player at any position who can outplay Buster Posey at that position then Buster Posey should not be playing that position.
That logic being my basis here’s my totally unsolicited opinion:
We’re never going to be successful if Buster is the catcher…
…and all those other positions are inhabited by sub – Posey players.
I implore the nerbs of MCC to get off your lazy asses and get the cloning machine built.
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by Snakepitbanitsagasbabycanyoudigit on Jul 14, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd pay to see Lars actually stuff it
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"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
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How much do you love Llamas?
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they spit, too.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.
a llama once bit my sister...
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
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Who didn't?
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 14, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Reagan.
That was a close one though.
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Then I hid her in East Berlin.
Why do you think he wanted that wall down so badly?
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Because Kennedy told him that tearing down the wall would turn him into a jelly donut!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 14, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok, guys check this out.
I want to build a satellite that shoots lasers.
No serious, hear me out. These lasers will fire at missiles coming at us. We will be UN FUCKING TOUCHABLE.
Star Wars, bitches. We living the dream.
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Technically,
in international relations terms those countries would be considered the southern hemisphere. North-Studies is a discipline in the field. It’s essentially Europe, North America and Russia vs. the entire rest of the planet.
Mischievously implosive purple pitching staff.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jul 14, 2010 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t know Africa and Asia were countries.
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Fools and Sages
well
they’re not all continents, but everything contained in the colored areas could be called countries.
except Somalia.
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jul 19, 2010 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not that worried about the geography aspect of this, but I am struck, again, by how stupid the Domino Theory was.
I wasn’t struck by how stupid the Domino theory was until the person sitting next to me in history class thought it was dumb, and then it seemed absurd.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
Ha.
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
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If we hit that bull’s eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate
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What the hell is that?
It appears to be the mothership.
Then what did we just blow up?
The Hubble Telescope.
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I thought that was a moose…
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by 1ManWolfPack on Jul 14, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
TINA EAT YOUR FOOD!
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Tomorrow: They'll win tomorrow...
by howtheydidntscore on Jul 14, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions
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I hardly… never mind.
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
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Now I know. Grant is the little spoon.
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I’ll write up the contract.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 14, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
This steps dangerously close to "I am the walrus" territory.
by Every6thDay on Jul 14, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Shut the fuck up, Donny! V.I. Lenin! Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov!
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Nah, they are both adults.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 14, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
holy shit that is terrible
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by bondslegend on Jul 14, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Are the pizza rolls included with membership?
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by Every6thDay on Jul 14, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
He still can't catch
Not veteran enough
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by jctGamer on Jul 14, 2010 10:54 AM PDT reply actions 12 recs
It’s so well done that I don’t even remember making it.
by Grant Brisbee on Jul 14, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
hehehehehehehhehe
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
you win
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by bondslegend on Jul 14, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I think this is one of the great unanswered questions
What was Sabean really thinking (like really thinking in a strapped to a table with sodium thiopental being poured in through a 14 gauge IV sort of way)?
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Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 14, 2010 10:59 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
nostalgia gland releasing reminiscetonin
by Every6thDay on Jul 14, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
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LOL I remember playing that with my cousin when he was in kindergarten
and now he’s starting medical school
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-- Jeff Kent
Same here...
my cousin and I were in kindergarten when we played that. My Giants could never beat his Tigers. Damn you Chili Davis!
"We didn’t win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad"
by 1ManWolfPack on Jul 14, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
oh yeah?
I remember this one:
When this .sig was awaiting the Final Sabean Apocalypse, I never once in a million years suspected it would be a "good" Apocalypse. Bengie... Don't let the door hit you IN YOUR GIANT ASS on the way out!
-------
PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game totally stalled and basically dead at this point
I loved this game.
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
That dude is pitching from second base!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 14, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait, that’s a baseball game?
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Fools and Sages
What else could it be?
Look at those realistic graphics! Don’t make me break out the Intellivision Hockey screenshot.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 14, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah, Atari
This is the baseball one I remember:
And this was football:
You could run off one side of the screen and appear on the other.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
I seem to remember that pressing forward on the joystick when you hit made it really easy to hit dingerz.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 14, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
In the old days this was all we had, Cookyman
AND WE WERE GLAD TO HAVE IT!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 14, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s like watching some kid in an impoverished country play with, like, a rock and a piece of string or something. He’s happy, but you still can’t avoid feeling a little bit sorry for him.
I was promised lasagna.
lol
makes you wonder what our grand-kids will be playing with
The Giants don’t fare well against pitchers.
Themselves, probably.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
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Their virtual selves
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
Virtual fapping
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 15, 2010 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions
But..but...
…before they installed that Grand Coolio Dayummm thingy THIS was all we had.
I know the difference between wrong and right
Don't make no difference in the middle of the night.
- Robert Cray, "Consequences"
by Snakepitbanitsagasbabycanyoudigit on Jul 14, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
That really is a cool image. I never realized how sculpturally cool a whiffle ball is.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
on that note
does anyone here play wiffle ball? It is awesome.
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
This
My adopted son is RHP Steve Edlefsen, no longer above Gerald Posey on the catching depth chart!
My Whiffleskills
let me show them to you
I know the difference between wrong and right
Don't make no difference in the middle of the night.
- Robert Cray, "Consequences"
by Snakepitbanitsagasbabycanyoudigit on Jul 14, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I have a killer slider.
I can throw it at fastball speed and it breaks sharply down and in to righties. I catch them looking all the time.
What’s everyone’s fixed strikezone preference. I’ve used wheelbarrows, lawn chairs, cardboard boxes…
Taping the barrel is for wussies.
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Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
lawn chair FTMFW
that’s the approved wiffle ball standard
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
Haven't in a long time but hell yeah it's awesome!
My adopted son is RHP Steve Edlefsen, no longer above Gerald Posey on the catching depth chart!
I never have, but I’m going to change that soon.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 14, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
true story
a friend of mine from NYC (where they played wiffle ball ALL THE TIME) turned his back yard into a stadium. Foul lines, fences in the OF, distance markers, and a scoreboard. It is awesome. And nerdy. But also awesome.
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Thanks to roger
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/mentions fantasy baseball team
If I had the time and the money and my own place, I’d probably do the same thing.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 14, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I was surprised how easy it seemed
he made the scoreboard himself, and uses those numbers that people use to number their houses. Then just uses string for the basepaths and a fence which isn’t that hard to make. I would totally do that too
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Thanks to roger
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/mentions fantasy baseball team
Huh. In that case, I am totally doing this.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 14, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Partially doing it is total failure.
I know the difference between wrong and right
Don't make no difference in the middle of the night.
- Robert Cray, "Consequences"
by Snakepitbanitsagasbabycanyoudigit on Jul 14, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Esw4fhoBySs
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
haha
youtube videos gave him the inspiration.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, who's on timeout due to his poor first half.
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
In that video,
The only lefty throws this crazy pitch that darts right at the RH batter then swerves into the strike zone like 3 feet out.
Fucking crazy.
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Good God.
/wonders if any of the nerbs throw like that
/figures they probably do
/invents invisible paint, which he applies to a snowshovel
/nails Wiffle bat to invisible snowshovel
“OK, I’m ready.”
I know the difference between wrong and right
Don't make no difference in the middle of the night.
- Robert Cray, "Consequences"
by Snakepitbanitsagasbabycanyoudigit on Jul 14, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
That wouldn't even be fun
it’s, like, impossible to hit that.
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Thanks to roger
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/mentions fantasy baseball team
Reminded me of this.
WARNING: CONTAINS IMAGES OF LOS ANGELES DODGER JAMES LONEY GETTING SCHOOLED
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 14, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
that's pretty cool
except the pitcher is a FLAMING DOUCHE BAG. He’s worse than a dodger for god’s sake
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Thanks to roger
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/mentions fantasy baseball team
I would like to punch him in the face, yes.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 14, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Used to play as a kid
Had my entire little league team come over once a week to play in the enclosed tennis court at my apartment complex. The only HR was if it cleared the fence surrounding the court.
I used to be a pretty wicked pitcher.
It was funny, cause the best pitchers on our team were terrible wiffle ball pitchers.
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Yeah,
sorta like when a guitarist tries to play guitar hero. It’s sorta based on the same concept, but completely different.
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
I once struck out 20 batters in one game.
I remember all of their names.
Here, let me list them.
1. Tim Byrd
20. Tim Byrd
2 – 19…Tim Byrd
#16 was the only called SO, as it was the only two strike pitch that hit the garage door handle.
I know the difference between wrong and right
Don't make no difference in the middle of the night.
- Robert Cray, "Consequences"
by Snakepitbanitsagasbabycanyoudigit on Jul 14, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
the whiffle ball induced me to pursue a career in science
so far, however, I have failed to improve on the original model.
I like my beer cold ... my TV loud ... and my romosexuals flaming.--Homer Simpson
These are the best kind of whiffle ball. Not the ones with the circular holes all around.
With this kind you could get some insane break on a pitch.
My adopted son is RHP Steve Edlefsen, no longer above Gerald Posey on the catching depth chart!
The only problem, unless it's been corrected, is a molding design flaw
that splits the ball down the middle after, say, a series of titanic blasts
which soar majestically into the yard across the street.
I know the difference between wrong and right
Don't make no difference in the middle of the night.
- Robert Cray, "Consequences"
by Snakepitbanitsagasbabycanyoudigit on Jul 14, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
wouldn't know
because I DON’T GIVE UP BLASTS muahahhaa
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/mentions fantasy baseball team
We always just duct taped it after that.
Kyle Stratford : Brian Sabean :: Toby Flenderson : Michael Scott
that was part of the game
I like my beer cold ... my TV loud ... and my romosexuals flaming.--Homer Simpson
I can throw a wicked ass wiffle curve
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
yeah, but you're on steroids
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, who's on timeout due to his poor first half.
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
I threw a pitch submarine-style that would rise about two feet, then start falling back down halfway between the mound and the plate.
My adopted son is RHP Steve Edlefsen, no longer above Gerald Posey on the catching depth chart!
I used to be able to throw four.
No, really.
It was sort of “The ball follows the direction the holes point.”
Left. Right. Rising fastball. Sinker.
I even had a slurve. That was achieved through my best Kent Tekulve imitation.
Then I turned fourteen…and the muse left me.
Now, all I can throw is a hanging curve.
But it’s adequate.
In fact, I threw one just before beginning this comment.
There, it just landed.
I know the difference between wrong and right
Don't make no difference in the middle of the night.
- Robert Cray, "Consequences"
by Snakepitbanitsagasbabycanyoudigit on Jul 14, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Gettin' seeryus
I know the difference between wrong and right
Don't make no difference in the middle of the night.
- Robert Cray, "Consequences"
by Snakepitbanitsagasbabycanyoudigit on Jul 14, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, you basically just throw it and it follows the holes
I wanna know how they throw fast though. Pretty sure they cheat.
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
my favorite was the slider grip, thrown from a 3/4 armslot. I could put that thing anywhere, practically unhittable.
Mark DeRosa just got the damn surgery.
had to be careful, throwing the WB would give you a sore arm
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It will now!
Before we knew better we were invulnerable.
I know the difference between wrong and right
Don't make no difference in the middle of the night.
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by Snakepitbanitsagasbabycanyoudigit on Jul 14, 2010 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Looks like a complex game to learn.
Proud parent of Bengie Molina: Buster who?
by The Enchanter on Jul 14, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
baseball simulator 1000
one of my all-time favorites.
"Bengie Molina - the quintessential double play possibility." - Jon MIller
I would have played the shit out of this if it didn’t take 73 minutes to simulate every computer-played game in a season.
by Grant Brisbee on Jul 14, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
The song for this game
is now stuck in my head. After all these years. Thanks.
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I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
I always get the Super Nintendo Zelda song in my head.
Kyle Stratford : Brian Sabean :: Toby Flenderson : Michael Scott
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oWfR9ZDqzY
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Yes, that's the one
and LOL, all the outfielders seem to be Raul Ibanez in the field.
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I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
Get ready to not get anything done for a while ...
by Section B, Row 1 on Jul 14, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
PWND BY IT
“Access to the requested web site has been blocked because it appears to violate our acceptable content policy.”
Kyle Stratford : Brian Sabean :: Toby Flenderson : Michael Scott
Man, google chrome
it is awesome for some stuff, but it fucking suuuuucks for other stuff. It makes that game look like a slideshow
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Thanks to roger
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/mentions fantasy baseball team
Holy crap SO AWESOME
My adopted son is RHP Steve Edlefsen, no longer above Gerald Posey on the catching depth chart!
That game is maddening. Possibly because I suck.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 14, 2010 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
yessssss
"Bengie Molina - the quintessential double play possibility." - Jon MIller
by calpolynate on Jul 14, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes
well certainly more first base than left field. or catcher.
co-dad w/AfDC of
Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
"Because I don’t know what it means anymore, in the PCL. It’s almost like years ago."
/in his camp
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD!
mccoven diversity: Romosexuals, Velezbians, Nerb's, fanGirlies--they're all here...
by greatgiantfan on Jul 14, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure.
Just one who can’t hit well (current 71-PA streak notwithstanding). Could the Giants but find a sucker trading partner to take him for something of nontrivial value right now, before reality re-asserts its nasty self.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
I think I’d rather trade Huff and hope that Trashy is for real. Which obviously will not (and should not) happen while the Giants are still in contention. Ishikawa’s 26 and still under team control for three more years. He could still be a cheap and useful piece, whereas Huff is playing himself right out of the Giants’ price range.
They’d have to have a really bad two weeks to fall out of contention before the trade deadline. And you know Sabean never flies the white flag anyway.
yeah, this
there’s no way huff does this again next year.
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Thanks to roger
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/mentions fantasy baseball team
Does what?
Repeating this information is getting tiresome:
AB H 2B 3B HR BB SF SH HB SO PA Huff, Aubrey 2010: 305 90 19 3 17 43 6 0 5 40 359 Huff, Aubrey proj: 324 92 19 1 14 29 3 0 3 47 359 diff -19 -2 0 +2 +3 +14 +3 0 +2 -7
The only outstanding differences between Huff’s actual 2010 and projections from career-to-date stats are in his walks and—as a direct consequence—his at-bats. Because the increased walks decrease the at-bats total, his batting average artiticially appears to jump up, whereas his hits per plate appearance (which is what matters) is essentially unchanged (in fact, below expectation).
So the “what” is simply “walk more”. Considering that many Giants are walking a lot more this season than ever before—the team is 50 walks ahead of expectations—it seems that Huff is merely another man benefitting from meulens’ coaching. Whay that should be unrepeatable next year is quite unclear.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
You've gotta be fucking kidding me.
Huff career OBP: .343 Huff 2010 OBP: .384
Huff Career SLG: .476 Huff 2010 SLG: .544
Huff career OPS+: 115 Huff 2010 OPS+: 142
Huff career ISO: .194 Huff 2010 ISO: .249
If you honestly think that Huff’s performance so far is totally what should be expected from him and will continue, then you are a moron. You are not a moron, I know this. It’s been fun to watch, but there is no fucking way he will be this good again.
Jesus, he’s even way above his career fielding numbers! (not that the sample is big enough, but still).
And his walk rate is 4% higher than his career. I have a hard time attributing that solely to “hensley is cool”. If this kind of performance was to be expected, more teams would have been interested in him.
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by bondslegend on Jul 14, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's been almost as valuable as albert fucking pujols in the first half.
Give me a break.
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There’s nothing artificial about the increase in AVG. When you walk more, you can’t only turn outs into walks. Some of Huff walks would have been hits if he hadn’t taken them. So if a sharp increase in walks doesn’t cause a decline in hits (hits – not AVG), it means the hitter has also improved his hitting skills.
And I think it’s getting pretty tiresome for everyone to read you complain about how tiresome it is that you have to “repeat” information, as if this were your blog, and as if people should be expected to read everything you write (let alone remember it, let alone agree with it).
I was promised lasagna.
by Cookyman on Jul 14, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
rec'd
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
especially when it's wrong
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by bondslegend on Jul 14, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The reason you have to keep repeating it is that it’s absurd. At the age of 33, coming off a five-year run in which he hit .271/.334/.456, Huff is now at .295/.384/.544. It’s far and away the best year of his career. There’s just no way to arrange the numbers that will obscure how remarkable that is.
He could do it again, sure. Barry Bonds took his game to a new level at age 36 and stayed there. But it doesn’t happen often.
by Evan on Jul 14, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, there is.
There’s just no way to arrange the numbers that will obscure how remarkable that is.
What is the comprehension problem here? One line is his career, simply pro-rated to his current number of 2010 plate appearances; the other is his actual 2010 numbers. If they are very different, his performance is very different; if they are very similar, his performance is very similar. They are very similar, except for the walks.
When you walk more, you can’t only turn outs into walks.
And your proof of that is? Hitting is best measured by hits per plate appearance: that is the frequency with which a man gets hits when he comes to the plate. Huff’s H/PA ratio is not only no higher than career, it is a hair lower.
Problems in evaluation always arise when people conflate count stats with rate stats. When the amount of data is small, a trifling change in a count stat can create an apparently major change in a rate stat. Huff’s career HA (Hitting Average, H/PA) is .255 and for 2010 it’s .251; but his career BA is .283, whereas for 2010 it’s .295. (And his BABIP also is actually a little under his career.)
What is so controversial about any of this?
And re “It’s far and away the best year of his career.” It is, so far, the best year, yes, but “far and away”? How about 2002, 2003, 2004, and 2008? Chump change?
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
When you walk more, you can’t only turn outs into walks.
And your proof of that is
I’m sorry, is this a serious question? There’s no way that you need evidence to believe that. It’s basic logic. A hitter adds 50 walks – he turns 50 PA’s into walks. Unless you can somehow prove, or show evidence, or even make make a semi-reasonable argument that ALL of those 50 PA’s would have resulted in outs if he hadn’t taken walks in them (and you can’t, because it’s completely illogical) then it is simply obvious that, by turning those PA’s into walks, he also lost some hits.
I was promised lasagna.
What is the comprehension problem here?
Indeed, that’s what I keep wondering. You post a chart that shows that the man is above his career averages in every possible way (and rounding understates the difference, by the way) and then say that he’s not. I don’t get it.
The difference between Huff 2010 and Huff pre-2010 is on the order of 30-35 runs per season, which of course is enormous. It’s the difference between Ryan Braun and Fred Lewis, or between Edgar Renteria and Neifi Perez. And just as much of the difference comes from his increased power as from his increased walks.
"Every possible way"?
I did somewhere mention walks, did I not?
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
You did indeed. But (a) the presumption that the walk spike is real and permanent is mere speculation, and (b) the power spike is just as significant, on a run basis, as the walk spike.
The argument you’re making is really a small-sample-size argument — i.e., it’s quite possible for a man of Huff’s skill level to have an awesome half-season, as he just has. But the whole “17 home runs is pretty close to 14 home runs, so obviously he’s doing just what he was expected to do” routine is either disingenuous or plain wrong.
The "walk spike" . . .
. . . is something shared by quite a few Giants batters this season (cumulative +50 walks for the team as a whole compared to expectations), so it is quite plausible that this is not a random “spike” but an effect with a definite cause (one nicknamed BamBam). Also, someone posted a stat, whence I know not, that on average over half of a major increase in walks rates will be “sticky”; combinng that with the probability that this is not an “on average” situation but one with a driving force, I reckon it quite possible—I would say rather probable—that something like the current walks rates will prevail for most of these men again next season (and indeed for as long as they are Giants with BamBam as batting coach).
Whether 17 instead of 14 home runs is a major spike is, I would say, up for discussion. His current PF of 1.844 is not even his career high (which was 1.911 in 2006), nor much above his second best (of 1.813 in 2008). And a bit of the current PF comes from the three triples he has had playing for a team whose home park has a feature called “Triples Alley”; change those three to doubles and it’s 1.811, virtually duplicating his 2008. So no, I don’t think his 2010 power is some unusual, unsustainable “spike”.
By that, I don’t mean that his power production necessarily will continue or repeat, but that it is not so huge that it seriously alters his value in the way that 14 extra walks do. I do not argue, and never have, that he can and will exactly repeat his current YTD performance—only that it seems likely that he will be close enough to it to be pretty valuable.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Also, this:
Hitting is best measured by hits per plate appearance: that is the frequency with which a man gets hits when he comes to the plate.
I can’t think of anything this would tell us that wouldn’t be better reflected in other measurements: OBP, strikeout rate, line drive rate, BABIP. Hits per plate appearance is a function more of approach and luck than of skill and value.
Sorry, I wasn't clear there.
I did not mean that offense as a whole is best measured so; by “hitting” I meant what most people think batting average measures, the ability to get a hit. I try to use “hitting” for acts relating to getting hits and “batting” for total offense, but tend to forget that that is a private distinction, not necessarily a general public one.
And of course even “hitting” depends on BABIP. My point was that batting average is a pretty terrible way to measure hitting (as slugging average is to measure power hitting); the basis needs to be plate appearances, not the entirely artificial “at bat”. (That’s a second major defect of OPS as a measure, the first being that it adds what should be multiplied.)
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
What is so controversial about any of this?
It’s completely misguided and wrong, not “controversial”. You are simply wrong.
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the funny thing is though
it’s really not THAT far off base. All Owlcroft is saying, is that if Huff can maintain his newfound K and BB rates, his performance this year might not be that far from what he could contribute in the future. His ISO is above his career this year, but is not out of line with his other good years. The major change has been his approach. The most encouraging thing to me is that his BABIP, as owlcroft mentioned, is BELOW his career average.
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--Daisy Owl
It’s not all his saying. Did you read his comments? It’s the method that’s bizarre here, not the conclusion.
I was promised lasagna.
Yankees will give him a two year deal and overpay
end of story. as Janis Joplin said, “get it while you can.”
I like my beer cold ... my TV loud ... and my romosexuals flaming.--Homer Simpson
if that's the case
trade him now and get something. MONTERO FOR HUFF GITRDUNNE!
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
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by natteringnabob on Jul 15, 2010 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm just glad that things I wasn't sure were going to happen are happening
Buster Posey starting catcher
Aaron Rowand not playing every day (Huff is taking up those extra starts rather than Bowker, so I guess we can’t have everything)
Bengie Molina removed from the team
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I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
Also
I love that Sabean still clings to the Bengie is a great game-caller idea. The struggling of the pitching staff recently has to be because Bengie is gone.
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I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
which is why any problems that have allegedly occurred b/c of Posey catching should have happened in April rather than July.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 14, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Flip-flopping!
"You know the answer to that?" he said. "The pitching staff needs to take it upon itself. They’ve been around the block. They’re the ones throwing the baseball. They’re the ones that can shake a pitch or throw what they want. They know the advance reports.
"And we’ve failed in that area to some extent. Maybe that’s because Bengie (Molina) was so good and they trusted him so much and they didn’t take it upon themselves. Now they are more and more responsible and they should be.
"That’s not to say Buster isn’t fully committed or all-in. He is. He’s smart and he’s got the advance reports. Anybody who said he’s not ready to catch in the big leagues is crazy because he’s a pretty good catcher, especially throwing."
They could be Giants...but not really.
God, the more quotes I read from Sabean the more I hate him. I don’t even care that he’s a bad GM anymore. He’s just such an arrogant hypersensitive prick.
Steinbrenner, without the money or success.
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FREE POSEY IS FREE
Flip - flopping
I had no idea tendonitis was a mental condition.
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Don't make no difference in the middle of the night.
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by Snakepitbanitsagasbabycanyoudigit on Jul 14, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
This is about the worst shit I ever heard from a GM
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+1 Well done
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 14, 2010 11:07 AM PDT reply actions
But what if...
Sabean always intended to flip Molina? Wouldn’t you nerds have to give him a little credit for buying himself a buffer for a couple months and being able to extract some value from Beng?
My Son. Dude hits inside the parkers and takes walks.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
I am a Bochy hater and a Sabean apologist.
That's a hell of a value extractor you've got there, Sabes
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
I think he always intended to flip him
Just not sure if he would be able to or for what he got in return.
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IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
what if
a frog had wings?
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.
It’s not unreasonable to think they planned on Posey coming up/taking over mid-season. That seems like an obvious strategy (tactic?). Maybe because it’s what I would have wanted to do…
Signing Molina to be the temp was puzzling to say the least, and getting what they did in return is somewhat amazing, but not frog-with-wings unlikely. Okay, getting two reasonably promising arms with in return is frog-with-wings unlikely.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 14, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
"I MEANT TO DO THAT!"
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 14, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, it’s obvious that the Bengie fiasco worked out better than anyone had a right to expect…
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 14, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
not so well for Bengie
I doubt the Rangers will keep him on if he keeps up like this. Bengie has no successful history in Texas to protect him from the sharks that are smelling the blood in the water.
I like my beer cold ... my TV loud ... and my romosexuals flaming.--Homer Simpson
that seems completely unreasonable to me
I think the Brazsz thought Bengie would miraculously bounce back from being old and fat and return to his ‘05, or at least ’08, form. I’m thrilled that they dumped him and got something back for him, but in no way am I willing to believe this was part of Sabean’s grand plan.
Bengie sucked, Buster was hitting the bejesus out of the ball, and Sabean did the right thing (for once). End of story.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.
So there’s no way they wanted Posey to come up and catch after the super 2 threat passed?
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 14, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
the main problem with that thinking
is that the super 2 threat likely didn’t pass.
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I would counter by saying they panicked because they needed offense and brought him up ahead of schedule.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 14, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
that's the problem
the plan itself isn’t terrible. The execution, however…
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--Daisy Owl
but they brought him up before that date, so…
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"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
As I say above, they did not stick to the plan.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 14, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Thaaat’s right, Dude. The beauty of this is its simplicity. If the plan gets too complex something always goes wrong. If there’s one thing I learned in Nam-
Kyle Stratford : Brian Sabean :: Toby Flenderson : Michael Scott
No plan ever survives contact with the enemy?
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 14, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
that's
the Elder Von Moltke
When this .sig was awaiting the Final Sabean Apocalypse, I never once in a million years suspected it would be a "good" Apocalypse. Bengie... Don't let the door hit you IN YOUR GIANT ASS on the way out!
-------
PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game totally stalled and basically dead at this point
But is that supposed to be a good thing on their part? Because I think that setting up a plan like “Okay, Bengie catches until the super 2 deadline and then we bring Buster up and ease him into the starting lineup” and abandoning it because, shockingly, Bengie Molina and other assorted mediocrities on the team aren’t hitting well and calling Posey up 2 weeks before the deadline to play first base… well, I have to see that as a failing on their part.
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"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
they didn't know what the fuck they were doing
I’m confident in this given the YEARS AND YEARS of track record. LOL anyone who thinks they suddenly got smart. What?
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I defintiely think it's possible to give Sabean too much credit
…but I also think refusing to believe they can do anything right is not giving him enough credit.
I mean it’s not like his call to the Rangers’ GM was a butt-dial on his cell phone
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I think the fans, the blogs and the media forced Sabean's hand
bitching, booing, and staying away from the games makes a difference.
I like my beer cold ... my TV loud ... and my romosexuals flaming.--Homer Simpson
But a lot of the fans and media loved Bengie
Like, really really loved him.
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"I told the family lovingly slide"
Wouldn't surprise me, actually
and I didn’t say they couldn’t do “anything” right. Obviously they can. But anyone who thinks this Buster thing was somehow an elaborate conspiracy is stupid, because the people running the team simply aren’t smart enough for that and never have been.
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I didn’t say it wasn’t. I said ‘It’s not unreasonable to think they planned on Posey coming up/taking over mid-season.’ I believe bringing him up was a panicked reaction to the terrible offense, that they abandoned their development plan for Buster and that they got back way more than could be reasonably expected for Molina.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 14, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I specifically remember conversations here that went:
“In an ideal world, Buster does well in AAA and we can call him up and Bengie is doing well enough that we can get some value for him before the trade deadline.”
If a bunch of internet dorks can visualize this scenario, thinking the FO could too the same doesn’t seem unreasonable.
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s'true
That also didn’t make a ton of sense, because there’s no way Bengie would have been traded if he was hitting well unless the team was way out of contention, which seemed unlikely. (Even pessimistic posters thought the team would win 83 or 84 games, which would have been good enough to stay “in this thing” at least well into August.)
The really remarkable thing about how this worked out is that the “plan” didn’t work, as Bengie stunk horribly and yet Sabean was still able to kinda sorta get out from under his contract. Because say what you will about Bengie, getting out from under him is no mean feat.
But if Bengie had been hitting well
…it would have preserved another year of control over Buster by saving him for next year, so that really wouldn’t have been that bad a scenario.
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No, it wouldn’t have been that bad, but it doesn’t support the theory that the plan all along was for Bengie to hit well and then the club would trade him mid-season. Those of us who doubted that the Giants had such a plan reasoned that if Bengie were hitting, he wouldn’t be traded, and if he weren’t hitting, he couldn’t be traded. We were (mostly) proved wrong on that second bit. (I say “mostly” because though he was traded and the Giants even got something modestly useful in return, the team still had to eat Bengie’s salary.)
But this was something we desired as a perfect scenario AFTER Bengie was re-signed. In an ideal world, Buster would have started Opening Day behind the plate and caught Timmy’s first pitch. So the FO didn’t really look at it the same way, because they made the decision to sign Bengie with that idea in mind, not as a best-case scenario once the deal was done.
Goodbye, Steven Johnson, we hardly knew ye. Seriously, that was short.
I don’t think there is any front office in baseball that would go into a season planning on handing the everyday catching job to a rookie with 135 professional games played, mostly in the low minors. And then expect said 23 year old to play 140 games and still be ready for a playoff drive in September.
I believe the decision to give Buster a half season in Fresno predated the Bengie signing. I also think that it’s a defensible decision (unlike the Bengie signing).
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 15, 2010 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree. It’s what I would have done — I just would have signed Zaun or Barajas or anyone other than Bengie as my placeholder.
BUT THEY ALL WANTED TWO YEAR DEALS
/notes Whitey will be back next year
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Jul 15, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Some of us take offense on being called dorks
We’re nerds.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
and a greater fool appeared
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Jul 14, 2010 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
ooh, I know I know!
HE WOULDN’T BUMP HIS ASS A’HOPPIN
When this .sig was awaiting the Final Sabean Apocalypse, I never once in a million years suspected it would be a "good" Apocalypse. Bengie... Don't let the door hit you IN YOUR GIANT ASS on the way out!
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game totally stalled and basically dead at this point
What buffer? He was the WORST CATCHER IN BASEBALL. He provided no more buffer than Whiteside would have. So it was basically $4.5M (possibly $6M) for Main, which sounds decent, until you realize that $4.5M gets you a Michael Ynoa level of prospect on the Latin FA market.
I was promised lasagna.
According to a statistic I saw from
The Elias Sports Bureau they have Bengie as the 6th best catcher in the AL. So perhaps that is what the Rangers were looking at. I like the fact we got 2 good arms for him.
by Giant_in_la_area on Jul 14, 2010 3:36 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
they get paid for that kind of intel?
I like my beer cold ... my TV loud ... and my romosexuals flaming.--Homer Simpson
knock a mil off that
to pay for Ray or another Ray level reliever
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
I don’t see much difference between Ray, and, say, Medders. If we didn’t have Ray, we wouldn’t have to spend any money to replace him.
I was promised lasagna.
psst
Joey has a non-zero salary too
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
it's around .5M, IIRC.
so, yeah, knock .5-1M off that.
Also, I don’t know why you think Joey is probably better than Ray
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
I think he can beat a 4.63 FIP, especially if moved to the pen
He makes the major league minimum, which is $400K. You can knock that off, it has no effect on my point. $4.1M gets you the best Latin FA available.
I was promised lasagna.
i'm not so sure he can
Joey really doesn’t have strikeout stuff. If Ray can make it back near where he was before TJ, I think he’ll be better than Joey can be by quite a bit. Ray’s worst k/9 in the majors before this season was better than Joey’s k/9 in AA, and Joey is only a year younger than Ray
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Just for the record, Joey’s major league FIP is 4.96 – mostly as a starter – and pitchers shed an average of one run off their ERA’s when moving to the pen.
Ray obviously has better strikeout stuff, but Joey has better control (and his minor league numbers indicate it should get better), and gets a ton of groundballs. Hell, the only reason that his FIP isn’t already lower than Ray’s is what is almost certainly a fluky high HR/FB rate.
Also, I think we’re being kind to Ray by using his career numbers. In 80 IP since returning from the surgery, his FIP has been over 5.
I was promised lasagna.
Just as a sidebar . . .
. . . I think one has to throw most of the book on Ray right out, owing to the TJ surgery and the known long recovery period. He is very nearly a completely new pitcher whose merits and demerits we need to learn almost from scratch. We have indications that he knows how to pitch, but I reckon we need more data to be confident, despite his age and extant track record.
So far, so good, but mind the K/W and TB/H ratios.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
the 1-5 homestand and being swept by the dodgers
was what did it to Sabean. The embarrassment at the hands of the Dodgers in front of the home crowd was like that scene when Freeza killled Krilin on Planet Namek.
And Sabean turned Super Saiyan soon after, trading away Bengie Molina.
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I’ve considered watching DBZ on dvd. I bet it’s not as slow when you can watch a bunch of them in a row.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Watch the re-rendered DBZ Kai, it cuts out a lot of the bullshit power ups.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
I am just happy that Sabes somehow managed to fleece another team into taking Molina and giving up good pieces in return.
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Maybe Sabes greatest fleece ever right next to the Ryan Garko trade.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
ahem
Matt Morris
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.
Good Point
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
hilariously apt
because of course – the mistake was signing them (Morris or Molina) in the first place!
When this .sig was awaiting the Final Sabean Apocalypse, I never once in a million years suspected it would be a "good" Apocalypse. Bengie... Don't let the door hit you IN YOUR GIANT ASS on the way out!
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game totally stalled and basically dead at this point
Fleeced? Hardly. Good trade though.
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by say hey nation on Jul 14, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
We got a former 1st round pick and a good ML pitcher for BENGIE MOLINA
That is a fleece.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Bengie so far with Texas:
.174/.240/.174
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 14, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
wrecked.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
BUT
He gets to catch Cliff Lee. I’m sure he’ll handle him reeeeal nice…..
and the team has been losing, and he's doing the little things
GiDP, passed balls, bad throws to second.
I like my beer cold ... my TV loud ... and my romosexuals flaming.--Homer Simpson
So,Kurt Ainsworth is a former 1st round pitcher, as is Matt Bush.
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by say hey nation on Jul 14, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
TBF, Matt Bush was not drafted as a pitcher.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
I thought he changed that same year.
Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!
by say hey nation on Jul 14, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
No, that was three years later.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Oh.
Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!
by say hey nation on Jul 14, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
You can say that again.
My adopted son is RHP Steve Edlefsen, no longer above Gerald Posey on the catching depth chart!
hey, you
what the fuck. Getting someone to give us a bucket of balls for Molina would have been a fleece. To get a guy who has been really pretty awesome so far in the bullpen and a young pitcher with room to grow…. for a catcher who is 36 and is TERRRIBLE in every facet… well that’s just fucking ridiculous.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, who's on timeout due to his poor first half.
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
by bondslegend on Jul 14, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I call the Matt Morris trade a fleece. This I call a good trade…for now.
Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!
by say hey nation on Jul 14, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
what the hell
we got a good player we didn’t even end up keeping in that trade.
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
by bondslegend on Jul 14, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
But we dumped a contract for a good player. If we kept him or not has nothing to do with the trade.
Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!
by say hey nation on Jul 14, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Although if you’re really pessimistic (and why else would we be here), you could argue Rajai became Rowand, therefore bad deal.
/stretch
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Big stretch
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
by Useful_Idiot on Jul 14, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
without a $12M pricetag, of course
one little detail that separates Rajai and Rowand, plus the speed and defense that will always make Rajai a useful 4th or 5th OF.
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Jul 14, 2010 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Didn’t the Pirates pay the rest of Morris’ salary though? SF had to send a bunch of money with Big Money to Texas.
by Section B, Row 1 on Jul 14, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL APPLE
Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!
by say hey nation on Jul 14, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
So, Kurt Ainsworth is a former 1st round pitcher, as is Matt Bush.
Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!
by say hey nation on Jul 14, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Also, I believe we are paying for both Ray and Bengie.
Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!
by say hey nation on Jul 14, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
nope
only bengie
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
well, more accurately
we’re paying for Ray + (Bengie – remainder of Ray’s contract)
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
This addition by subtraction business is working fantastically. Let’s keep doing that.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 14, 2010 11:18 AM PDT reply actions
But the problem is that we keep adding people we need to subtract.
Lets just not add them in the first place.
Ask me about my blog.
But then this formula wouldn’t work anymore.
((Sign old, washed up players to multi year contracts) + (Trip to disabled list/ineffectiveness))/(Veteran loving manager/general manager) + (Need for competitive teams)) = (Blocked prospect)
Also,
/trades for Corey Hart
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 14, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
BengieRowand- Rent
- Bochy
- Sabes-y
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Keep going down that list.
Adopted Son:Matt Downs MLB , Now with More STATZ goodness !Matt Downs Fangraphs The Juan Uribe of 2011 !
Of course it would be nice to magically whisk away Renteria and Rowand’s contracts, but unlike Molina, they actually do have value on our roster. It’s a question of playing time.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Rent’s contract isn’t THAAAT bad.
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by say hey nation on Jul 14, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Only because it’s about to expire. Seriously, we don’t really have an option to replace him. That’s what Sabes should be shopping Sanchez for if he’s convinced he want to move him. Not for CHart.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Anyone else think Freddy might be the guy at SS next year?
The thought has crossed my mind.
My Son. Dude hits inside the parkers and takes walks.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
I am a Bochy hater and a Sabean apologist.
by GiantPain on Jul 14, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder if he could handle it. It will be a lot easier to find a new 2B next year than a SS.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
/looks at what Toronto gave up for Escobar
//sighs
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Grab Some Pine, Meat
Still cheering for Kevin Frandsen
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ikr
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
by bondslegend on Jul 14, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I would rather see Fred there
than a typical Sabean trade or signing. Rohlinger or Angel Chavez or some low paid youngster could come in for late inning defense. As for a 2B, Downs is lurking. They bat him between #3 and #5 mostly in Fresno
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by foothillsfan on Jul 14, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought Downs looked like he had an idea at the plate when he was here—seemed to be a gap hitter with a fair amount of solidly struck line drives.
Dont know if his numbers support my observations, but I liked him getting a shot (granted, I was not convinced Freddy would be back before the all* break).
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
2010 LD% of 21 in 88 plate appearances
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 14, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
tasty for a 2B
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
by bondslegend on Jul 14, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Poor Brock Bond.
The Rodney Dangerfield of this organization. In AAA ball, Fredddy Sanchez rolled up a career .821 OPS; Bond’s AAA stats to date for AAA are .810 (no park/league factoring involved). It’s not the same, but neither is it on a different planet.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
The problem is that Sanchez hits like Hank Aaron compared to Bond, who earlier this season hit his third career minor-league home run, putting him just four behind Duane Kuiper in that category. Most people don’t believe that Bond can possibly sustain anything like the walk rate he’s amassed in the minors at the major-league level if all he ever hits are singles.
That said, every time I look at that OBP I think, “Well, maybe….”
I wrote about him yesterday – you’d expect his BB% to go down as he goes up levels, but he’s only improving. There is still the fear that he’ll just have the bat knocked out of his hands in the majors, but you have to wonder – is the difference between AAA and the majors really that big that 16% BB rate in AAA wouldn’t translate to a good one in the majors?
I was promised lasagna.
I mean, the odds are clearly against him, but I’d just hate to give him up and see him become Luis Castillo.
I was promised lasagna.
is he that fast?
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, who's on timeout due to his poor first half.
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
Yunel or Alcides
neither are very good
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
by slackersphere17 on Jul 14, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Also
Has been a very good player the past 3 seasons
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
Do we really need another guy to make fat jokes about?
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
by slackersphere17 on Jul 14, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
The All Fat Guy Team!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 14, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't care about fat
Unless you suck. Then you’re a jiggly flabby tub of lard
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
Correct
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 14, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
He wouldn’t have gotten him, the Braves only traded him for an iffy “upgrade” at ss the rest of the year and a few prospects. Rent would probably not be seen as an upgrade and Uribe neither since he is coming back to Earth
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
Rowand has value?
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
down the stretch
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.
2.5 years is a lotta stretch.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
I see what you did there.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 14, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Also because Torres is a little fragile
Fulfilling your Gus Benusa needs since 2009!
by Giantsfan4life on Jul 14, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Did they sign Gary Brown yet?
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 14, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Dammit.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 14, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
If Posey had started this season as catcher, Lincecum’s dramatic fall from grace (all the way down to a disgraceful 5th in NL pitchers by WAR) would have been blamed entirely on Posey. So being spared from that is one good thing to come of all this, I guess.
instead it's blamed on his velocity
which is fucking bullshit. Mostly because THERES NOTHING TO FUCKING BLAME ANYTHING ON BECAUSE HE’S STILL AMAZING
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
by bondslegend on Jul 14, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh and
Games played, by position, Buster Posey, 2010:
C: 11
1B: 26
We should have a little party when the C eclipses the 1B.
My Son. Dude hits inside the parkers and takes walks.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
I am a Bochy hater and a Sabean apologist.
And another little party when he finally catches Lincecum.
The San Francisco Giants must win at least one World Series before I die.
by vinScullySucks on Jul 14, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Posey might not be a First Baseman
But how about…
My Son. Dude hits inside the parkers and takes walks.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
I am a Bochy hater and a Sabean apologist.
he was their closer in college
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
The only catcher he will throw to is himself
wrap your head around that one…
Monday Monkey lives for the weekend, sir.
Buster Posey is The Flash?
Status: Feels so broke up. Wants to go home. || Still boycotting Johnsonville and Giants souvenirs or ballpark foods for repossessing my K Wall in right field.
His little bro goes to FSU
And is a relief pitcher slash infielder.
http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/posey_jack00.html
My Son. Dude hits inside the parkers and takes walks.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
I am a Bochy hater and a Sabean apologist.
slash infielder?
he reads gay pump while taking grounders?
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
that seems like a better term that you’ve accidentally invented
Mark DeRosa just got the damn surgery.
Is it wrong I immediately thought of Justin Bieber when I saw his roster photo?
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 14, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Has Bochy said anything particularly revealing or interesting about the Molina trade? I don’t remember seeing much beyond the expected “He’s great, we’ll all miss him, etc.” I’m wondering if at some point during the season we’ll hear a bit more of his thoughts on the trade that he almost certainly didn’t approve of. I’m curious how much (if any) tension the Posey/Molina saga actually caused between Bochy and Sabean.
I’m sure we’ll start hearing some rumblings when Posey cools down. I mean if he cools down.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 14, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
My GIS for "locust volcano"
was very disappointing.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.
Come to papa!
CSNAuthentic
Hot-hitting Giants’ catcher Buster Posey joins Greg Papa on Chronicle Live, tonight at 5pm! http://bit.ly/dlHaE #SFGiants
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Eww
Greg is going to get his smarm all over Buster.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 14, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Come to Papa
/WalrusMan’d
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"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
I’m still trying to decide whether or not it’s a good thing I’m missing this.
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 14, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Buster’s a really thoughful interview. Papa, not so much.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
This is why I’m torn. I want to watch it, because Buster gives some pretty good interviews. On the other hand, Greg Papa. Ick.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 14, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I see Papa coming out of the CSN offices on Third St. occasionally… he looks like he hates the world.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 14, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
maybe it’s not hate, maybe it’s just pain from smiling too much, or rebound after the permanent smile surgery they made him get.
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by foothillsfan on Jul 14, 2010 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve never considered that…
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 15, 2010 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions
SavvySabes I didn’t blame the pitching for team’s struggles. I just said it has not been as good as advertised. Like National Treasure 2. BS #SFGiants
by Every6thDay on Jul 14, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Lol, the guy that called in was like:
Did you see Sabean’s twitter? He said “I know what Panda’s doing, eating” (something along those lines) and Radnich goes, “That’s not him.” The guy counters with “Yeah but it says Giants GM!”
Jeaaaggaahh
by Soulbrother16 on Jul 14, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Sigh
If you’ve made Radnich the smart one in the room, you should probably just take yourself out of the gene pool.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
Do we know who the person behind SavvySabes is?
by chilibean_3 on Jul 14, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Feminist Hulk
look it up on Twitter
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Wait… National Treasure was advertised as good?
I mean, sure, it was fun, but…..
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Jul 14, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
That looks like it was being advertised as great. Big difference.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Jul 14, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
/GRM reasoning
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
You’re just watching National Treasure with a good movie bias.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Jul 14, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Your Bias Blinds You To The Fact That This Movie Blew Octopus Testes
Flat ass, wrong!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 14, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Horse Shit!
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Jul 14, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
howtheydidntparse is going to come in here and confuse everything.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Jul 14, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Whoa
National Treasure was better than good. It was great. National Treasure 2, maybe not so much.
Also known to haunt as theghostoftravisdenker and theaccidentalghostofsergioromo.
Adopted parent of good old Wendell, he tries so hard. You'll get a hit someday son!
by theghostofjasonellison on Jul 14, 2010 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Whoa
National Treasure was advertised as good. It delivered on all counts. Yes, every count. National Treasure 2, on the other hand, not so much.
Also known to haunt as theghostoftravisdenker and theaccidentalghostofsergioromo.
Adopted parent of good old Wendell, he tries so hard. You'll get a hit someday son!
by theghostofjasonellison on Jul 14, 2010 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
is it a new spice girl
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
by slackersphere17 on Jul 14, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
thanks Grant
for the new avatar
"Bengie Molina - the quintessential double play possibility." - Jon MIller
by calpolynate on Jul 14, 2010 11:47 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Avatar rec'd
My adopted son is RHP Steve Edlefsen, no longer above Gerald Posey on the catching depth chart!
Some pictures for Zito’s next start. Natto or anyone else.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38220974/displaymode/1247?beginSlide=1
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 14, 2010 11:48 AM PDT reply actions
IRL LOL at the first one.
My adopted son is RHP Steve Edlefsen, no longer above Gerald Posey on the catching depth chart!
http://awkwardfamilyphotos.com/2010/07/10/saturday-night-special-5/
Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!
by say hey nation on Jul 14, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Got to check this out!
http://awkwardfamilyphotos.com/2010/06/08/log-jam/
http://awkwardfamilyphotos.com/2010/06/03/window-display/
Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!
by say hey nation on Jul 14, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL ANTI VAMPIRE BABY!
http://awkwardfamilyphotos.com/2010/06/03/reflection/
Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!
by say hey nation on Jul 14, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow, pic 17 has a mountain lion in the crib with 2 kids.
Jeaaaggaahh
by Soulbrother16 on Jul 14, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
You were doing it before it was cool
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
11 might stay with me forever
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
aww
I pictured Bengie Molina in front of a 8’x10’ dry-erase board the night before a game, drinking coffee and writing an 80-page treatise on how Tim Lincecum should pitch to Corey Hart,
Damn. I didn’t necessarily think Posey wasn’t ready, but this was exactly how I had envisioned Bengie’s preparation.
Good thing about Posey catching for Fresno was:
we showcased Molina and got Chris Ray!
I also like the comment about how much blame Posey would have taken for any mistake by Lincecum and the other starters.
proud, yes I said proud, adoptive papa of "Geno" Eugenio Velez
This is sarcasm right?
Bengie was playing like complete crap. Every game he was “showcased” probably lessened his value. On the other hand, it did make it appear that the Giants valued him. I guess they wouldn’t have got as much for him if he had been bench as he should have been.
Whatever Sabean thinks about the IQ of the average baseball fan, you just proved him right.
by cybermaldonado on Jul 14, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
AHEM
FUCK the HATERS.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, who's on timeout due to his poor first half.
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
Aww
my work computer is slow as shit. you’re ruining this thread for me =(
My Son. Dude hits inside the parkers and takes walks.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
I am a Bochy hater and a Sabean apologist.
Audio please.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Get back to work. Please.
sincerely,
YOUR EMPLOYERS
I know the difference between wrong and right
Don't make no difference in the middle of the night.
- Robert Cray, "Consequences"
by Snakepitbanitsagasbabycanyoudigit on Jul 14, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
/goes back to playing Tetris
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
par for the course
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on Jul 14, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
As one of those who didn’t want Posey as the opening day starting catcher (and catching every day for a full season as a rookie), I have to say it’s not crazy for the Giants to have wanted to observe the way he caught in AAA for half a season while waiting out the arb clock.
While I never doubted his physical tools, or that he could come in and catch reasonably well, I’ve seen him go to his backside like a shortstop on more than one occasion, so while it’s obvious he has the talent to excel, he is not yet technically Mathenyesque. Gladly, he doesn’t hit like Matheny either.
Also, as well as you mock the benefits of experience, I’d like to go back and read the first few things you ever wrote and see if maybe you haven’t improved over time. I think Buster is not yet as good as he will be… which is kind of exciting.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 14, 2010 11:56 AM PDT reply actions
I don’t think the benefit of experience was being mocked so much as the notion that Buster wasn’t going to get experience until he was given a chance to experience it.
by Every6thDay on Jul 14, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
this
HE DOESNT HAVE ENOUGH EXPERIENCE SO LETS NOT GIVE HIM ANY EXPERIENCE.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, who's on timeout due to his poor first half.
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
by bondslegend on Jul 14, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
And also, they didn’t wait out the arb clock.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
yeah, I didn’t think it was so bad, just that he really wasn’t getting any time behind the plate to speak of.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD!
mccoven diversity: Romosexuals, Velezbians, Nerb's, fanGirlies--they're all here...
by greatgiantfan on Jul 14, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually
It’s pretty much accepted that Grant’s first few posts were really good and it’s been downhill from there. He’s been exploiting and making a living off that three-post hot streak ever since.
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
I wasn’t opposed to the idea of Buster playing in AAA IF WE GOT SOMEONE COMPETENT TO HOLD THE POSITION (which we didn’t) AND WHEN HE WAS CLEARLY READY/ARB CLOCK WASN’T A PROBLEM HE WOULD BE CALLED UP (and he was late on the “ready” and early on the arb clock). I didn’t love the idea of dumping him in the majors after half a year in AAA, but it was the best option we had. If we had picked up someone like Torrealba on a one-year deal then leaving Buster in Fresno for a few months would’ve been an excellent idea. But we didn’t; we got Molina, who was in no way a better catcher than Posey, and therefore should not have been starting over him on a competitive club.
Goodbye, Steven Johnson, we hardly knew ye. Seriously, that was short.
I think the decision to have Buster start the year in Fresno predated the decision to re-sign Bengie. No front office is going to lock down their starting catcher spot for a full year based on 135 games caught, mostly in the lower minors.
Getting Bengie might have been a poor decision, but IMO expecting a rookie to catch 140 games and still be ready for a playoff drive is not realistic.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 15, 2010 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions
We should have traded Uribe for him.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
boo
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
by slackersphere17 on Jul 14, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
What makes you think the Braves would have done that?
Uribe’s numbers this year are worse than Alex Gonzalez’s, and Gonzalez is under contract for another year. No way they take Uribe.
My Son. Dude hits inside the parkers and takes walks.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
I am a Bochy hater and a Sabean apologist.
I agree. It was an exaggeration to show how silly the trade was. Uribe is not as valuable as Gonzalez, but mostly because of the extra year. Uribe has better career offensive numbers and is younger.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Was Escobar dealt?
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
"Meh"
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Why would we ever want to buy low on a young player with upside at a position where we have not future at?
/facepalm
I still think the Giants should not be making any moves.
They have to players they need to make a post season run and win. We are stuck with Rent and while Uribe may have been a good piece to try and make this deal, I do not think it would have been worth giving up any other parts from the farm.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Thats cute you think this team is actually making the playoffs
We had a chance to get a potential long term answer at SS for Juan fucking Uribe…
This team has the ability to make the playoffs
It’s not crazy to think that way. If you feel that way, then I feel sorry for you.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
I am probably the most pessimistic person here but feel compelled to point out that they are only 2 games out of the wildcard.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 14, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
4 games against the Mets and 3 against the Dodgers should take care of that.
/tries to out-pessimist Lars
They could be Giants...but not really.
I think, we are better than the Mets, and we should be able to beat the fucking dodgers at least once, but maybe twice
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
Since we can’t be the Dodgers when they are fully concentrating on the game we buy them prostitutes and try to beat the fucking Dodgers. TexasRanger = genius.
Kyle Stratford : Brian Sabean :: Toby Flenderson : Michael Scott
I say that to myself every morning naked in the mirror
TexasRanger=genius
and not prostitutes, just throw Alyssa Milano at them
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
And where’s the distinction?
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 14, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Matchups
Dickey (6-2, 2.77 ERA) vs Lincecum (9-4, 3.16 ERA)
Niese (6-3, 3.61 ERA) vs Zito (7-4, 3.76 ERA)
Pelfrey (10-4, 3.58 ERA) vs Cain (6-8, 3.34 ERA)
Santana (7-5, 2.98 ERA) vs Sanchez (7- 6, 3.47 ERA)
2010 record
Game 1: NYM wins, 6-4
Game 2: NYM wins, 5-4 F/11
Game 3: SFG wins, 6-5
Why do you say we’re better than the Mets? The two teams are reasonably close if you look at the 1st half batting/pitching team stats. I know we have Posey but David Wright is playing well again and Carlos Beltran is back from the DL tomorrow.
They could be Giants...but not really.
Carlos Voltron
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
But wait…is that a lion or a vehicle force left leg? Because if the latter, then Meh.
They could be Giants...but not really.
Francisco Rodriguez would be this ass of this voltron.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 14, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
So a three-game series is suddenly a significant sample size?
How about the fact that SF’s pitching (by ERA+) is better by a wider margin (14 points) than the Mets’ (by OPS+) is over SF (3 points)
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
Yeah,
ERA and the results of ONE 3-game series are much better indicators!
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, who's on timeout due to his poor first half.
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
/shrugs
It’s what happens when you’re at work and blocked from Baseball Reference. I was hoping someone would come up with insightful advanced stats and Goofus did.
The offense numbers are actually closer than I thought. wOBA is tied at .321 and wRC: Mets 380, Giants 382. Nice.
They could be Giants...but not really.
I swear to god I need to copyright that or something :-)
It’s so simple, even a moron (like me) can grasp it, yet it really does give a pretty good representation of the overall performance of the team relative to the rest of the league.
Here liies
Goofus McPenisbutter
1964-2012
Thought up OPS+ plus ERA+
So simple, even a moron could understand it
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
Alright
So I guess feeling sorry for you it is then.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Throwing out the fact that at best we have a 30% chance to make the playoffs
Yunel Escobar was the 5th best SS in the league according to WAR last year.
He has had a bad first half no question. But there’s a good chance that he not only has more upside than Uribe but that he outproduces him in the 2nd half of this year as well.
But you keep up your sound arguments of “We’re in this!” “Keep the core together” “I feel sorry for you!”
LOL
My arguments are we have the pieces to make a post season run. They are being horribly mismanaged, but they are there.
Also, there is no guarantee or a possibility that the Braves make that deal for Uribe. You are operating on much bigger leaps of faith then I am, predicting what the Braves would and would not take for Escobar.
And yeah we are a pessimistic site, but man, have a little faith in the ability of the team.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
"keep the core together" is stupid
and I think that if it was possible, we should have done whatever we could to get Escobar, but come on man, if you really believe that the team doesn’t have a chance at the playoffs when they’re 2 games out of the WC at the break, combined with the fact that A) their record is a little below their pythag, and B) is right in line with their projected record from component stats, why even be a fan?
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Not to mention . . .
. . . that the second-half team is not the first-half team. Removing that clog of congealed fat from the drain allows the water to flow much more freely. Bumgarner is not Wellemeyer. And so on.
I said a long time ago that if the team roughly repeats its pitching performance of last year (611 runs allowed) and maintains a league-average offense (711 runs), it would project to 93 wins and serious competitiveness. Pro-rating of current actual stats for the Giants: 720 runs scored, 608 runs allowed, which calculates to 94 or 95 wins.
OK, the current actual stats are not what the on-field play projects to. But the runs-scored is only off by 11 runs, and of the 38-run difference on runs allowed, a good chunk is attributable to the Giants’ well-above-average defense (the calcs assume average D). So no, nothing is a priori out of the question.
But we do need more use of the good players and less or none of the bad ones.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Velez!
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD!
mccoven diversity: Romosexuals, Velezbians, Nerb's, fanGirlies--they're all here...
by greatgiantfan on Jul 14, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah no doubt. That’s just Atlanta completely giving up on a rather good player. As if they wouldn’t have taken Renteria instead of Sea Bass?
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 14, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
The Giants probably never had a chance at Escobar. The Braves may have called up the Blue Jays and said, “hey that Gonzalez guy with 17 HRs. We want him. What’s it going to take?”
No one here gets out alive.
THIS
Atlanta’s very much in a WIN NOW mode, and all the talk of Escobar having an attitude problem coupled with his performance issues at the plate made him expendable. Gonzalez, however fluky his stats may be is good RIGHT NOW, so I think this was a good deal for both teams, given their intended destinations.
by Every6thDay on Jul 14, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL the Teixiera cycle
Proud father of Mike Krukow (who is more than 3 times my age)
Grab Some Pine, Meat
Still cheering for Kevin Frandsen
John Bowker: One of the 3 best OF's on the Giants roster
that was epic
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, who's on timeout due to his poor first half.
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
If the Rangers go to the playoffs they should thank Frank Wren
Proud father of Mike Krukow (who is more than 3 times my age)
Grab Some Pine, Meat
Still cheering for Kevin Frandsen
John Bowker: One of the 3 best OF's on the Giants roster
AINT HAVIN IT
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
WTF did you say to me?!
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
by slackersphere17 on Jul 14, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
It would sound more like Andy Griffiths.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 14, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
"practicing the heisman, is that alright with you..."
They'll win tomorrow...
Tomorrow: They'll win tomorrow...
by howtheydidntscore on Jul 15, 2010 2:07 AM PDT up reply actions
[Gasp!] 22Gigantes wuz right!
I mean, you’d all wear robes for me and cut off body parts and sing songs as we waited for the locust volcano in 2012, right? That’s what you agreed to when you accepted the terms and conditions of this site, at least.
Really, though, who has time to read that shit?
The money lies in the RBIs
-- Jeff Kent
Not Me but
I’m still operating under the old Boof rules. All we had to do was certify that we knew the songs and be available to help Grant convince E that things couldn’t possibly be as bad as they seemed.
by NearestNorwich on Jul 14, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh I miss E. He was so fun.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 14, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Eddie Izzard has a bit about this.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Jul 14, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
suck it, A's fans
two more days of waiting
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD!
mccoven diversity: Romosexuals, Velezbians, Nerb's, fanGirlies--they're all here...
/Is waiting for Grant to tell him whether to take job in home town or stay in Phx.
Kyle Stratford : Brian Sabean :: Toby Flenderson : Michael Scott
Dude, it is Phoenix
Get the hell out of there.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 14, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
His hometown is Kowloon Walled City, though.
by Grant Brisbee on Jul 14, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
OT
I can’t remember who the out-of-towner was who wanted to see the SF mag cover with Tim, but here it is:
They could be Giants...but not really.
What do you get from mixing Monkswood, Wolfsbane, and an infusion of Wormwood?
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
by Useful_Idiot on Jul 14, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
a really nasty changeup?
When this .sig was awaiting the Final Sabean Apocalypse, I never once in a million years suspected it would be a "good" Apocalypse. Bengie... Don't let the door hit you IN YOUR GIANT ASS on the way out!
-------
PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game totally stalled and basically dead at this point
I don’t like that picture for some reason.
Kyle Stratford : Brian Sabean :: Toby Flenderson : Michael Scott
The wrinkles around his eyes make him look like a 45 year old hippie.
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
No, nothing familiar here
I know the difference between wrong and right
Don't make no difference in the middle of the night.
- Robert Cray, "Consequences"
by Snakepitbanitsagasbabycanyoudigit on Jul 15, 2010 4:04 AM PDT up reply actions
SCIENCE, BITCHES
(CBS) British scientists claim to have solved one of the great mysteries of life, the universe and everything in it: The chicken came before the egg, they say, and they’re not mincing words.
“It had long been suspected that the egg came first, but now we have the scientific proof that shows that in fact the chicken came first,” Sheffield University’s Dr Colin Freeman, according to a report in the Metro.
Researchers from Scotland and England used a supercomputer called HECToR to look in such detail at a chicken eggshell that they were able to determine the vital role of a protein used to kick-start the egg’s formation.
That protein is only found, wait for it… inside a chicken.
Freeman, who worked on HECToR with counterparts at Edinburgh’s Warwick University, said the protein had been identified earlier by scientists and was known to be linked to egg formation, “but by examining it closely we have been able to see how it controls the process,” he added, describing it as a catalyst.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
So chickens were reproducing via non-egg methods at one point?
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Chickens are actually what dinosaurs turned into. And Dinos were hatched via egg.
This study is crap.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 14, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
BUT THEY WERENT CHICKEN EGGS
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 14, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
BUT WHERE DID THAT CHICKEN COME FROM?
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Jul 14, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Buster Posey
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
are you calling Buster Posey a girl
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
by slackersphere17 on Jul 14, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
A chicken is . . .
. . . an egg’s way of making another egg.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Meanwhile
Cancer sits around, laughing maniacally.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
It’s chillin’ with AIDS, Herpes and the common Cold.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Diabetes too
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
(kinda)
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
i think their logic is kind of scrambled
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD!
mccoven diversity: Romosexuals, Velezbians, Nerb's, fanGirlies--they're all here...
by greatgiantfan on Jul 14, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I think their brains are fried from all the chicken poaching
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
AmyGGiants
#sfgiants have post AllStar break wkout tonight @ AT&T. All players & coaches in attendance except Lincecum & Wilson. Not open to public.
They could be Giants...but not really.
Are team workouts ever open to the public?
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 14, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
But open to Amy G?
The poor guys
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
Question about SBN
Is it in any way beneficial to post a link that doesn’t open in a new window? I hate having to navigate back to the site.
It’s a pretty big pet peeve of mine
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
right click : open in new tab. Works every time!
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
fail
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
It does work though.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 14, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
or
just middle click
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
sounds dirty
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
also, something I just learned yesterday
middle click on the back or forward button to open that page in a new tab
quite handy
cntrl + click works as well
"Bengie Molina - the quintessential double play possibility." - Jon MIller
I did not know this. This will definitely be helpful
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
by Useful_Idiot on Jul 14, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Anyone who liked death cab for cutie before they became...whatever they are now
would love drive well sleep carefully. Cannot recommend highly enough
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
New song or new album?
They’ve been on a downward slope for a while now but a song for Twilight? Really?!
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
It's a documentary that followed them around on their last tour before signing a big record deal
It’s amazing.
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
I might be interested in this.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 14, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
this looks like it belongs in an OT thread
but who am i to judge
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
by slackersphere17 on Jul 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
You look like you belong...
shut up
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
Shutted Up
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
by slackersphere17 on Jul 14, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
The Gimp?
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 14, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, baby, but I had to crash that Honda.
I know the difference between wrong and right
Don't make no difference in the middle of the night.
- Robert Cray, "Consequences"
by Snakepitbanitsagasbabycanyoudigit on Jul 14, 2010 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Zed’s dead baby, Zed’s dead.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 14, 2010 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions
What ain't no country I ever heard of! They speak English in What?
I know the difference between wrong and right
Don't make no difference in the middle of the night.
- Robert Cray, "Consequences"
by Snakepitbanitsagasbabycanyoudigit on Jul 14, 2010 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I really just liked their new stuff, so i’d probably half to take a listen to that
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
What do you consider their new stuff?
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 14, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
wait... their OLD stuff i meant
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
yea, i misworded it by accident... i mean, they kinda sounded a little
more pop rockish after a while
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
They were pretty combustable when mixed with a carbonated beverage.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 14, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
OT: playlists
I’m going to make a playlist called “Giants lose” and the first song will be Stevie Ray Vaughan – Tin Pan Alley.
I’m also going to make a playlist called “Giants win” and the first song will be Led Zeppelin – Black Dog.
"Bengie Molina - the quintessential double play possibility." - Jon MIller
ugh
I’m a huge Zeppelin fan, and I could never hear Black Dog again and I would be perfectly OK with that.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.
+1
Ten Years Gone would be a good one for a tough loss.
Kyle Stratford : Brian Sabean :: Toby Flenderson : Michael Scott
The Crunge would be a good song after a win
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 14, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
now that one
would def make my top 10 Zep choonz.
Best cover band ever, i tells ya!
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.
He may be referring to the fact that Zep never wrote anything. Refreshing to hear it from a supporter and not just haterz like me.
/hyperbole
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
yes, this
i say it with tongue in my cheek, but the early stuff was predominantly covers, most of which went uncredited.
they still ruled.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.
lol true
This and stairway are the only tunes you ever hear on the radio.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 14, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
ok fine Zeppelin snobs
how about Boogie With Stu?
"Bengie Molina - the quintessential double play possibility." - Jon MIller
Wearing And Tearing
Yes, really, I have not updated my blog in a long long time: http://skaldheim.livejournal.com/tag/baseball
on Zeppelin
Cant hear Dyer Maker without thinking Eli Whiteside. That should be really funny in a few years (see also: Brent Mayne and Shakedown St)
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Bring it on home FTW
Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me.
McCoven: We're all happy to be wrong.
by atxgiantsfan on Jul 14, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
“Watch a Giants Game” – Hurt (your choice Johnny Cash or NIN)
When this .sig was awaiting the Final Sabean Apocalypse, I never once in a million years suspected it would be a "good" Apocalypse. Bengie... Don't let the door hit you IN YOUR GIANT ASS on the way out!
-------
PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game totally stalled and basically dead at this point
Wow
I seriously misread the EULA here.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
End-user or end user?
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
it'll be the end for me if I have to get my robe out
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
oh baby you know i like dat
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.
i put on my robe and wizard hat
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Ha.
All Star Game Earns Lowest Ever TV Ratings
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
BUT THIS TIME IT COUNTED
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Time wasted until I die.
In awe of his adopted dad: equipment manager Mike Murphy, who has been with the club since their move to San Francisco in 1958!
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
yea i was gonna say
sounds bout right tho
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
MY EYES!
BASEBALL AND BASKETBALL SUX!!! ONLY THE SEXY CITIES HAVE A CHANCE, AND THE REST OF THE COUNTRY IS GIVINUP WASTIN THEIR TIME WATCHIN!! THE NFL HAS A CLUE AND EVERY TEAM HAS A SHOT, IF THEIR ORGANIZATION KNOWS HOW TO RUN THE TEAM, SOONER OR LATER THEY’LL HAVE THEIR SHOT!! FROM EAST TO WEST, IT KEEPS THE PEOPLE WACTHIN!
-From the comments
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Another Gem
Don’t disrespect Joe Buck and Tim McCarver.
Kyle Stratford : Brian Sabean :: Toby Flenderson : Michael Scott
I fail to see how St. Louis is at all sexy
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
i fell asleep during the game and didn't notice
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.
That’s what happens when you have a goddamn hour of fucking pregame bullshit.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
this
I’m willing to bet a loooot of people missed a good game because of that. I liked the game personally, but the pregame was bullshit.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, who's on timeout due to his poor first half.
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
The pregame was key for me. It allowed me to commute home in time for first pitch!
Kyle Stratford : Brian Sabean :: Toby Flenderson : Michael Scott
yeah, but nobody lives on the west coast
/espn
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, who's on timeout due to his poor first half.
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
nah
the game was also terrible
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.
meh, I thought it was OK
definitely geared more toward the pitchers. Maybe it’s just because the NL finally won.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, who's on timeout due to his poor first half.
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
I enjoyed the game.
Partially because the NL finally freaking won, of course. But generally I just enjoy watching the game; there’s always something memorable. For example, this year, seeing Jose Valverde pitch in that environment was awesome. The batters were actually laughing, his stuff was so nasty. Michael Bourn’s at-bat was one of the biggest mismatches I’ve ever seen in an all-star game.
The pitching in the game was awesome.
The NL pitching lineup was stacked. And it was fun to see them break down the stacked AL lineup.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
The pitching was good . . .
. . . but don’t forget that in the ASG it is usually much enhanced by the time of the game, meaning sunlight and shadows. It was that way in SF in 1984, and it was that way in Anaheim in 2010 (and probably in a lot of other years).
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Probably the sun and shadows situation is an issue whenever the game is played in the west (unless it’s cloudy, of course).
But I’ve been wondering about this whole sun/shadow thing. It does seem like it would be hard on the hitters, but I’ve watched many games where the shadow winds up falling between the mound and home plate (invariably drawing a comment from the color analyst), and it doesn’t seem to result in unusually bad offense. Sure, sometimes the offense gets shut down, but that would happen anyway. Sometimes, though, a bunch of runs are scored. It happened Saturday in the Giants-Nats game, a total of six runs scored in the first two innings while the sun was still out.
Is there any concrete evidence that scoring declines when the sun is covering part of the field? (I realize this could be a hard question to find data to analyze.)
exactly
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 14, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
So, I was studying last night, the Mr. was working late… we dvr’d the game but haven’t watched it yet… should we even bother?
meh
At least Seinfeld isn’t pre-empted tonight. Also, if you do watch, remember to keep the sound off as McCarver and Joe Buck Yourself will be ruining it for you.
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Jul 14, 2010 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
today made me think
if a bowker/sanchez for hart/escobar would work. Milwaukee prolly wouldnt do it but i always had a crush for young up and coming short stops. Also Bowker with playing time might put up hart’s numbers
"Life is like a grapefruit. Well, it's sort of orangy-yellow and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, too. Oh, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
by operation carrot on Jul 14, 2010 2:29 PM PDT reply actions
i mean bowker/sanchez as the center pieces. we would defiantly need to add more pieces.
"Life is like a grapefruit. Well, it's sort of orangy-yellow and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, too. Oh, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
by operation carrot on Jul 14, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
/admits to not understanding the outright part
Didn’t realize the Giants would have to assume the full contract. Thought it would be the Dodgers footing the bill.
So… YES-NO-YESSS-NOOOO
Outright waivers are not revocable, so the Dodgers won’t be able to pull Sherrill back if a rival team claims him. A claim seems unlikely, given his salary, performance so far in 2010, and early-season back tightness. If Sherrill clears waivers, the Dodgers will have an open 40-man roster spot.
maybe so
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
Indeed.
It has been known for pitchers, even at 32, to just fall off the cliff, but it is really rather rare. The questions, then, become “What is the cause?” and “Is it fixable?” The mention of early-season back problems is possibly relevant, but one way or another it almost surely comes down to a physical matter and thus the issue of whether it is temporary or permanent. (And, if “fixable”, how quickly.)
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Well, hensley can magically make people walk
so maybe tidrow can magically fix backs? :)
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, who's on timeout due to his poor first half.
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
He has been terrible this year.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
If he clears waivers, they should
They need another lefty in the pen and it will cost nothing but the pro-rated league minimum.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 14, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
NO BACKSIES!
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 14, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Forgot. It's the Internet. Can't change your mind.
Emotion said “Yes.”
Then, when I looked at the facts, decided “No.”
LOL me
Ha! If I had a shrutebuck for every dumbass thing I ever posted, I’d have many, many stanleynickles I can assure you.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 14, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
What’s the value of shrutebucks to stanleynickes?
Kyle Stratford : Brian Sabean :: Toby Flenderson : Michael Scott
The Fantastical Constant
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 14, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Back on the original topic . . .
Is there any good evidence that the Giants catchers actually call the pitchers. I thought that was most typically done from the bench these days. I vaguely recall watching Benito look to the bench for instructions way back when.
I always struggled with the notion that Bengie was a brilliant pitch-caller when I suspected he didn’t call the pitches anyway.
by NiceGuysFinishEtc on Jul 14, 2010 3:55 PM PDT reply actions
*ring ring*
“Hello, Timmy? Yes of course it is hello, Buster.”
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.
I could watch this for hours.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
They nailed Bjork.
I know the difference between wrong and right
Don't make no difference in the middle of the night.
- Robert Cray, "Consequences"
by Snakepitbanitsagasbabycanyoudigit on Jul 14, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
lucky bastards
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.
TWSS
Only not exactly.
I know the difference between wrong and right
Don't make no difference in the middle of the night.
- Robert Cray, "Consequences"
by Snakepitbanitsagasbabycanyoudigit on Jul 14, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Icelandic
Strange folk even when they aren’t famous.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 14, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
They almost certainly do.
Catchers are always looking to the dugout with runners on to see if a play, such as a pitchout, is being called. Managers who call pitches are very rare.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
My mom doesn't bring me Geno's pizza rolls
She says they’ll rot my teeth and make me fat and give me acne and sweat a lot.
But I DO get broccoli and celery soup! I love it here in my healthy basement!
"You can always recover from the player you didn't sign. You may never recover from the player you signed at the wrong price." --Billy Beane
"I am not an idiot."--Brian Sabean
What about Hannah Storm?
Wowza
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
I was surprised, she was looking great in that dress
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
She always looks like a cocktail waitress on the morning Sportcenter’s.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
careful
you might get a “vacation” like kornheiser did
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, who's on timeout due to his poor first half.
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
ha, i just understood why he said it then...
but WOWZERS
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
LOL Kornheiser
He was right though.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
He totally was
WTF was the outrage?! Hannah storm must have ZERO sense of humor. Does she seriously not realize what she looks like?
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, who's on timeout due to his poor first half.
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
Best looking women IMO at ESPN.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
But you wish you did.
AMIRITE?
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Why are they giving out awards durring the pre-show thing?
In awe of his adopted dad: equipment manager Mike Murphy, who has been with the club since their move to San Francisco in 1958!
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
getting people to watch the show
haha, see they got switchfoot on… THEY USED TO BE GOOD
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
just like ESPN!
In awe of his adopted dad: equipment manager Mike Murphy, who has been with the club since their move to San Francisco in 1958!
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
nah
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Adopting Denny Bautista until someone tells me he's already spoken for.
Anyone watching the AAA ASG?
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 14, 2010 4:11 PM PDT reply actions
all of us don't live in fresno chop!
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I do.
NEENER NEENER NEENER
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
haha, i truly don't know if i'd be proud of it or what...
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
/looks at icon
//…
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jul 14, 2010 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Come on Piki!
Ok…so I’m a little embarrassed
by Artimus Clyde on Jul 15, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Your son’s playing.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 14, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
MLB network playing right?
Is it on now?
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Yep.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 14, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
dammit
I am still at work.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
That’s a fail.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 14, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
yes!
Brock Bond leading off.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 14, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
swings at first pitch and grounds out…:(
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 14, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL Giants
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
There’s some things that can’t be explained.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 14, 2010 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
He was a 2nd pick in the draft 5 years ago...
Brock Bond>Alex Gordon
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Clearly.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 14, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, grudgingly.
I thought coverage of the MLB ASG was toxic: it was Heaven compared to this tooth-grinding travesty. Every once in a great while, they actually mention a player’s name. But then again, why do people tune in to a AAA All-Star Game? Obviously, to watch endless successions of excrutiatingly boring talking heads, and to get pitching tips from Mitch Williams. We all wish those effing ballplayers down there would just sit down, so we can get on with the important stuff.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
OT: Norm McDonald hosting the ESPY's is still a classic
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
that was epic
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, who's on timeout due to his poor first half.
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
The OJ-dig might have been the funniest joke of all time
I heard it got him fired from SNL
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
the reaction was priceless
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, who's on timeout due to his poor first half.
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
OT:
Should I make a Triple-A ASG/ESPYS OT thread?
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 14, 2010 4:22 PM PDT reply actions
Combine them both
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
That’s what I was thinking.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 14, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
sure, because i forgot what this thread was about
was it about Buster Posey? like how he’s good and all, and that the trade occurred at the right time?
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2010/7/14/1570130/ot-triple-a-all-star-game-espys-ot
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 14, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Question:
if the AL had won yesterday, would I have been obligated to flip my icon?
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A great season so far
Sure we’re two games and five teams from the wild card spot, and the evil bastards are ahead of us, but it’s been so bloody interesting. It’s been a long time since the Giants’ summer has been so thick with drama and potential.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 14, 2010 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
GO WRITE YOUR NOVEL ELSEWHERE SIR
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The day after the All-Star game is such a bummer. No baseball or baseball related activities. I feel like I’m being punished. I JUST WANT TO COME HOME FROM WORK, GET HAMMERED AND WATCH A BASEBALL GAME. THAT’S ALL I WANT. AND YOU’RE CRAPPING ALL OVER ME!
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by Alex_Lewis on Jul 14, 2010 6:36 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
i feel your pain, man
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by greatgiantfan on Jul 14, 2010 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions
it's one day....
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I was actually going to make a fanpost re: Buster
But it fits here real nicely.
Question:
The prototypical arguemnt about Buster is that he hits well for a catcher, but he’s not a “great” (i.e. “heart of the order”) hitter. With his recent other-wordly hitting display, is that theory being turned on its head? (I know it’s been just a brief stretch, but jebus he looks like the real deal.)
If he is, in fact, a “heart of the order” hitter, does it beg re-asking the question, “Is playing Posey somewhere else, where his bat could be in the lineup every day, a good idea?”
I’d like to hear arguments for and against moving Buster to 3B, 1B etc.
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That’s stupid. Everyone knows that all first basemen hit .350 with patience and power. He’d be a miserable failure at that position. I know this is true because people have told me so.
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Well, sure, if he hits like he is right now, he could play at any position.
And of course he looks like the real deal right now when he’s hitting .500 in his last 14 games or whatever.
But it’s waaaaaay too soon to say, “Oh, Buster isn’t actually an .800 or whatever OPS hitter like we projected before and can actually be expected to put up a 1.000 OPS”.
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I guess
the important part of your question though is – if Buster were really this good of a hitter, should we move him off catcher?
And I would still say, no. Especially not when he appears to be a very good defensive catcher as well. Moving him all the way down the spectrum to first would be a huge waste.
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whenever you land a hitter for a traditionally no-hit position, it’s a bonus, so keep him behind the plate and look for other positions where the hitting pool is deeper.
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by greatgiantfan on Jul 14, 2010 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
whenever you land a hitter for a traditionally no-hit position, it’s a bonus, so keep him behind the plate and look for other positions where the hitting pool is deeper.
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by greatgiantfan on Jul 14, 2010 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
To make room for Whitey? Holey Downgrade Batman!
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
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by natteringnabob on Jul 14, 2010 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, unless we have an opportunity to get Joe Mauer or Brian McCann or something, I’d rather keep Buster behind the plate.
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by natteringnabob on Jul 14, 2010 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
But there’s nothing stopping you from using him like Victor Martinez, is there? Catch 120 or 130 games, play another 20 or 30 at first base, getting him more ABs. Of course with Buster he’s a good enough athlete I’d rather see him play third, but whatever.
Didn’t the Dodgers try that with SIRM? I think that their manager used it as an excuse to give him, like, zero days off.
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It was 2008, the year before his big drop-off. He started 8 games at third. And 146 total. That doesn’t seem like the egregious catcher abuse I remembered.
Mark DeRosa just got the damn surgery.
I don't know...
2007: 1st in majors in innings caught.
2008: 2nd in majors in innings caught, also started 8 games at 3rd base.
2009: 1st in majors in innings caught.
That seems pretty crazy.
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ah, put that way, it is crazy. Coupled with trading away Santana, it’s insane.
Mark DeRosa just got the damn surgery.
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+1
this is amazing
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Mark DeRosa just got the damn surgery.
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by Soulbrother16 on Jul 14, 2010 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
They played him at third base, iirc.
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Fine, I'll check
First two years he played catcher exclusively. In his 3rd year, he started 8 games at 3rd base (in addition to 138 started, and 149 overall, at catcher – this is why he’s over the hill at age 26). Since then he hasn’t played the position.
So, basically, instead of doing it to allow his knees to rest, they did it to never ever let him rest.
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That would be wise.
It would be no trick at all to catch him 4 days of 6, let him play first 1 day of 6, and rest him 1 day of 6. We do have this other pretty good young catcher named Sandoval, who could do with a couple of days a week behind the plate, for several reasons. And we have a guy named Uribe who hits pretty decent who can play third now and then.
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It's not a matter of if you should, it's all about when
If he keeps this up, what’s the organization’s commitment? Are we going to pay a zillion to keep him when his contract is up? If so, it would be smart to plan moving him to a less stressful position. The longer he’s a catcher, the shorter his effective hitting will last. Examples abound (and I’m not willing to do the research just now to back it up). I’d say wait a year or two. If he’s a great hitter, commit and move him. If not …. Well, we all know that’s just not going to happen.
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The assumption is irrelevant to the question
Whether or not Posey should be catcher has less to do with how good Posey is, a more to do with how good 1B are, and how good catchers are.
The average catcher has an OPS of .729. The average 1B has an OPS of .834. Would you rather have Buster Posey plus a guy with a .729 OPS, or Buster Posey plus a guy with a .834 OPS? Isn’t this a complete no-brainer? The 80 PA’s or so you’d be earning him by moving him off catcher could not could possibly even come close to making up for the difference between a full season of a guy with a .834 OPS and a full season of a guy with a .729 OPS.
And that’s before accounting for the fact that Posey is (or projects to be) a very good fielding catcher, but we have no idea how good he’ll be at another position – he could probably be a good 1B, but considering how slow he is at age 23, I have a hard time believing he’ll be anything more than OK 3B, and most likely a below average 2B.
And I’ll remind you that Pablo did what Posey is doing for an entire year – not a month, not a hot streak – a year (check out their numbers, they’re extremely similar) and now, just 3 months later, most people doubt that he’ll ever be as good as he looked. Hell, he managed to lower his career OPS from .924 to .854 just this year.
So a) you don’t know that Buster is a middle of the order hitter, and b) even if he is, there is no reason to move him off catcher.
I seriously don’t understand where this is coming from – would you move McCan off catcher? Mauer? Bench? What’s the point?
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My point ...
So, if you want his OPS to last, then move his THING. If you want it to let his OPS decline more quickly over time, than keep his OPS/THING behind the plate. So, as an organization, what’s the plan? Is there a plan? Should any plan be made in pencil until, well, we’ve got a year or two of evidence with which to develop a good plan?
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Where is the proof that his OPS is definitely going to decline if he stays behind the plate?
Or that it won’t if you move him out from behind it?
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2-3 years of catching will likely have no effect on his hitting. It’s more of a long-term thing. If, after a few years, you see that he’s a very good hitter, and you decide that you want to keep him, and you think that catching will hurt his hitting, and you think he can play another position well enough to be a really valuable player there, THEN you can start thinking about moving. But there is no reason to even consider it now, especially when we have absolutely no other reasonable alternative at catcher.
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Long-term thing
Yes. But … There’s is totally a good reason to consider it now and there’s every reason (no real backup whatsoever-on-my-part-on-this-one, just a belief that’s based on who-knows-what) that catchers fade faster than other position players. Plan now. There is nothing wrong ethically/morally/sensibly with planning. It’s OK. Planning is good. Time to find a reasonable alternative at catcher, if you plan now.
May 28, 1978 ... A good day.
But doesn’t it make more sense to first find reasonable alternatives at 1B, 2B, SS, RF, and LF – positions in which we have no decent (let alone good as Posey) long-term, and in some cases short-term, solutions? In general, it’s neat to have a plan for everything, but finding an alternative at catcher should be pretty low on this team’s to-do list.
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Neat to have a plan
I admit complete ignorance as to what we’ve got going for the alternatives. So, sure, find those other alternatives. It’s not like being a Giants general manager is a friggin’ 24/7 job. So, if, my totally unsupported-by-personally-researched-fact-based idea that catchers fade faster than other position players is true, then plan. There are moments during the day where friggin’ general managers can plan the next-year’s draft and potential free-agent market. Just saying.
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Read my post again
It was a question. I wrote the “question” in bold and said the word “question” again. Is being so dickish in your reply really necessary?
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I don’t really think there was anything particularly dickish about Cookyman’s comment, other than perhaps the last line, which seems to be a general comment (because this definitely has been an ongoing conversation).
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Yeah it was the last line that pissed me off
…and the the overall lecture tone as if I had asserted some kind of point when I made it very clear (or at least thought I did) that I was posing a question.
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Yeah, but I think he was answering your question through what he said.
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Because I both appreciated Cooky’s breakdown and can understand where Goofus is coming from, I’ll just say that I don’t think he means to be condescendingly pedantic… it just comes out that way sometimes.
In this case, by using ‘you’ repeatedly, it sounds like he’s lecturing Goofus specifically, rather than making a general comment (which I suspect is more in the spirit he intended).
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 14, 2010 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Cookyman makes very good points usually in his posts, but he does come across extremely dickish. It’s almost as if he has all this pent up anger in him, just reading replies and shaking his heads, until he reaches a boiling point, and he picks a post and just let it all out.
Then goes back to storing the anger again.
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by jctGamer on Jul 14, 2010 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If he shakes his heads three times, he’s playing with himself.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 14, 2010 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by Snakepitbanitsagasbabycanyoudigit on Jul 14, 2010 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
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by Snakepitbanitsagasbabycanyoudigit on Jul 15, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
The last line was supposed to be separate from the rest of the post. Ever since Posey has made it to AAA, people have been talking about moving him off catcher. I was genuinely wondering whether it’s something specific to Posey, or if that’s just what people would do with any good-hitting catcher, good-fielding catcher. Would you move Mauer? Would you have moved Bench? And why? These weren’t meant to be rhetorical questions, they were genuine.
The “you” in the comment isn’t necessarily you, it’s just how I write. Nor were the questions (2nd paragraphs, and the last sentence) supposed to come off as attacks (and I don’t know if they did – I don’t know specifically what you didn’t like in the comment).
I know my comments sometimes have a lecturey sound to them. I don’t do it on purpose.
I think what possibly got a me little bit pissed here is that it seems to me like you have a slight “told you so” tendency when it comes to players doing better than expected. Like, someone could write a long explanation about why he thinks Posey probably won’t be a power hitter, but then all you need is for him to have two great games or something, and you post something like this. That gets on my nerves a little (not that you’re the only one who does it, obviously). I thought it’s what you were doing in this post: I think I misinterpreted your last sentence – “I’d like to hear arguments for and against moving Buster to 3B, 1B etc.” – I read it as snark (comparable to, say, “I’d like to see what Velez backers have to say now”), and it wasn’t. That’s probably why my comment was harsher than it should have been.
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by Cookyman on Jul 15, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think his ceiling is Brian McCann, frankly
Which is fantastic, but McCann’s best year was .301/.373/.523. Very good for a catcher, good for an infielder, but not anything to write home about for a 1B or an offensive corner outfielder.
I think Posey is a .300/.360/.475 hitter, or thereabouts. Posey would be a good hitter anywhere, but I think long-term, his bat would be average for a 1B.
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You’re probably right. You’ll usually be right if you assign a player a conservative ceiling. But Posey has played so little, and been so good wherever he’s played, that I don’t think we can have any realistic sense of where he’s going to end up. I mean, he’s a better hitter than Barry Bonds was at the same age.
I mean
Chris Davis hit .283/.320/.609 through his first 147 MLB PA’s, at age 22.
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For some reason I read that as ‘Chili Davis’. I’d take Chili Davis numbers from a catcher any old time.
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It’s what we’ve got. Obviously I don’t really know whether Posey’s better now than Bonds was at the same age, but it’s easier to argue that than the reverse.
My point was simply that projecting where a very talented 23-year-old is going to top out is rash.
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I would say that it’s much easier to argue that Bond was better. Would you rather have – a hitter who posted a 148 OPS+ over a full season, or one who had a 150 OPS+ over 149 PA’s? That’s not even worth thinking about, is it?
And, I mean, I have no idea what’s Posey’s ceiling, but 149 PA’s is not ALL we’ve got. We’ve got minor league numbers, and we’ve got scouting reports, and we’ve got BABIP regression, and we’ve also got common sense, which tells us that he’s not likely to keep it up.
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friggin'
it’s just the same as saying fuckin’. just sayin.
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by greatgiantfan on Jul 14, 2010 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
all these fake words to cover up the real ones. it’s lame. it’s a cover for lousy vocabulary.
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by greatgiantfan on Jul 14, 2010 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
if it’s inappropriate to swear, then using the fake word doesn’t make it any less inappropriate.
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by greatgiantfan on Jul 14, 2010 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions
weird; how did that happen?
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by greatgiantfan on Jul 14, 2010 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know, but it was confusing.
I thought it was some Pulp Fiction reference that I’m missing.
I was promised lasagna.
you should probably just watch that movie, if just to eliminate the dull paranoia that everything is a Pulp Fiction reference that you aren’t getting.
Mark DeRosa just got the damn surgery.
Is this some sort of Pulp Fiction reference?
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by Soulbrother16 on Jul 14, 2010 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes. Yes it does.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 14, 2010 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
My son, to a friend on the phone:
“That’s just my friggin’ dad..”
Me:
“Hang up the phone. NOW.”
And I then explained to him,in no uncertain terms and with GREAT vengeance and FUUURIOUS ANGER how wrong he was to assume that simply disguising the profanity changed the meaning of the word and the grossness of his insult to me.
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by Snakepitbanitsagasbabycanyoudigit on Jul 14, 2010 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually . . .
. . . it’s not, at least historically. Nowadays, who can say for words like that?
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I’m not going to go to the mat over this, since I really just pulled it out of my ass. How about we say instead that Posey seems to be a better hitter than Mike Piazza, the best-hitting catcher in baseball history, was at the same age?
But I will note that when Bonds was the age Posey is now, it was November 1987, and he was coming off a season of 114 OPS+. I’m fairly certain he had never had a 150 PA stretch as good as the one Posey’s having now. He was a lot better the following year, then relapsed to being merely good at age 24/25; then the lightbulb went on and he turned into the superstar we know and love.
The young Barry had every skill one could have and then some, but he was erratic and difficult. He got mad, gave away at-bats, took strike 3’s down the middle à la Fred Lewis. He was smug, temperamental, disdainful of coaching, and gave the impression that he thought he was smarter than everyone else. As it turned out, he was smarter than everyone else.
But I will note that when Bonds was the age Posey is now, it was November 1987, and he was coming off a season of 114 OPS+. I’m fairly certain he had never had a 150 PA stretch as good as the one Posey’s having now
Well, I had to check. 1987, April 19th to June 2nd, he hit .304/.382/.578 in 152 PA’s, which translates to a ~155 OPS+.
In fact, even in his disappointing rookie year, Bonds started the season by hitting .256/.377/.512 in his first 155 PA’s, which, in 1986 (a pretty extreme pitchers’ season), was good for a ~145 OPS+.
Not making any point, just thought I’d look it up.
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The key word here is "think"
Let’s give it a year. Maybe “think” can evolve into “believe,” then “said,” and, FTW, “know.” I bet Yoda has a whole slew of stuff to say about “think.” Not even close to “try.” Yoda … With that strike zone and bat control … Nice lead-off hitter.
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So should the twins move mauer because he's such a good hitter?
I mean, they can play him at DH and do I guess, but I really doubt they’d consider moving him full time. If you’ve got a catcher who’s a good catcher and can hit…I really don’t see why you’d move him.
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Mauer's different
He’s under contract for 8 years. They have an incentive to say his knees, save his health, which means less time at catcher.
Posey’s under our control only for 5 more… I say all C all the time, then let someone else worry when he leaves us.
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um
they’re not moving mauer. That’s my point.
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They will at some point over these 8 years.
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My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
I am a Bochy hater and a Sabean apologist.
I'm sorry...
…when he leaves us?
Oh, no.
He’s not going anywhere.
And if he thinks he is then he’s going to have a very difficult time of things.
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by Snakepitbanitsagasbabycanyoudigit on Jul 14, 2010 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, Mauer has been catching for over 10 years, Posey has been catching for 2.5. And the Twins have a great catching prospect coming up – the Giants have a couple of decent catching prospects in A ball.
Even if the Twins do move Mauer (and they shouldn’t), there is at least some logic to that. Moving Posey, now, simply doesn’t
I was promised lasagna.
It makes even less sense to move Mauer now that his power surge from last season seems to be an anomaly, not an evolution.
The bat is still good, but it is only truly great at catcher. Nowhere else does that bat play for 8 years and a gazillion dollars.
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I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Yeah, as good as Mauer is, you have to wonder if it was the right time to give him an extension. I mean, that has to be the best year he’s ever going to have, by far. It’s one of the best years anyone has ever had.
Though, he was going to become an FA after this season, so maybe they were afraid that he’ll sign with the Yankees if they don’t offer an extension.
I was promised lasagna.
sometimes though we, the basement dwellers, forget that baseball is a business, and a business depends on sustaining revenue.
Mauer generates revenue. Be it ticket sales, merchandise, advertisement, or just general public interest. Signing Mauer to an extension is a business decision on top of a baseball decision. The contract dollars and length is, quite simply, the cost of doing business.
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I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Very true
In fact, it’s why I think that the Howard signing is a bit underrated. From a pure baseball prospective, it’s really one of the worst we’ve seen, but Howard is very, very popular in Philadelphia, and knowing that he’s there for 7 more years must make him even more popular. He’ll earn them back some of the money. It’s still a bad signing, but there is some logic behind it.
Mauer is probably a good signing. It’s almost guaranteed to be an overpay, but he’s a fantastic player, and he’ll earn a lot of it back. But it still sucks for the Twins that his career year came right before they were going to extend him, instead of right after.
I was promised lasagna.
Having a ‘face of the franchise’ player is a big deal from a branding standpoint, especially in the free agent era.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 15, 2010 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
I would think, though
That signing a new star through Free Agency must make a team way more money than keeping a current star. I remember when Real Madrid bought Beckham for a record fee (excuse my soccer), they earned back half the money or something the next day, when they started selling his shirts. Though, of course, teams like the Twins can’t count on signing FA superstars.
I was promised lasagna.
It's also corporate branding
When you think Joe Mauer, you think Minnesota Twins, and vice versa. People tend to associate home grown talent much more so than hired mercenaries.
The Yankees is not AROD or CC or Teixeira’s team, it’s Jeter’s team.
The Mets is not Santana or Beltran or frad (fraud?)‘s team, it’s David Wright’s team.
Although the Dodgers seem to be Manny’s team. humm. That should tell you everything you need to know about sports fans in Los Angeles.
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I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
The Yankees is not AROD or CC or Teixeira’s team, it’s Jeter’s team.
Even so, I would guess that Rodriguez has made them more money since he was signed than Jeter has (though maybe this is different because Jeter is just so popular, and Rodriguez really isn’t). But I don’t know how to check that.
I was promised lasagna.
I dunno how to check that either. I seirously doubt that AROD has made them more money tan Jeter though. Remember, he was clutch. He got that one base hit that one time and was there at the right place that one time when Jeremy Giambi happened.
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I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Not overall, just since the signing. My point is that people don’t buy new Jeter shirts every year – if they bought them ten years ago, they still have them. But when you sign a new player, everybody rushes to by his merchandise, because nobody has any.
I was promised lasagna.
But Yank fans do things like name their dogs ‘Jeter’. I know a guy who did this. He was seriously pissed when I asked if his dog was also overrated…
It’s about inspiring brand loyatly, and nothing does that like home grown talent that stays with the team for a long period of time. Having said that, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Yankees have in fact made more money selling Arod’s merch than Jeter’s.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 15, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Score one for the Groupthink!
Granted, in this case, the Groupthink was the distinctly unrevolutionary, “Maybe we should play our catching prospect at catcher.”
Mark DeRosa just got the damn surgery.
For those not aware of the "Goofus Doctrine"
It was what I proposed over a year ago; putting Sandoval in a C/3B platoon so that both of them could be in the lineup 162 games.
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
As Beetlejuice says . . .
. . . you know I like it. But they can even without Posey picking up third. Though the “162” is not A Good Thing: it’s wise to give players regular rest through the season, and this team has enough positional flexibility that they can manage it with no material falloff.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
I still want that, with Posey starting, say, 70% of the time as a catcher, since he’s likely way better defensively. I guess the main question is whether Sandoval’s knees can take it.
I was promised lasagna.
I thought the Goofus Doctrine referred to a 4-man outfield platoon.
"I never think I’m a good player or a bad player. This is what I’m thinking: I can play. And I want to play." - Juan Uribe
I supported that Goofus Doctrine
I’m not so sure about the new Goofus Doctrine, though.
"I never think I’m a good player or a bad player. This is what I’m thinking: I can play. And I want to play." - Juan Uribe
Apropos of nothing
SFGiants
Andres Torres spent the break in Napa. #SFGiants
My Son. Dude hits inside the parkers and takes walks.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
I am a Bochy hater and a Sabean apologist.
doan worry, poplo loe he team, he wan get berry good for body to play the beisbol
Proud Aussie father of Roberto Kelly
by Tim LinCyYoung on Jul 14, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
what, 9000
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I see what you did there
Well Played
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I was gonna hang out at the boardwalk and attempt to stalk huff, I wonder if anyone recognized the great giants slugger when he was there.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
I was wondering WTF that was too
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, who's on timeout due to his poor first half.
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
That was a weird tweet.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 14, 2010 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe he was getting spa treatment on his groin
I hope he responded to the treatment…I know my groin would
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
Buster Posey: NaFB
Shout out from Sactown Royalty
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
got yer sactown right here, bro
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Jul 14, 2010 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Updates from Baggs
There had been some thought that the Giants would add a bat to the bench after the break, but for now, the club will retain all 13 pitchers.
“We’ll stay at 13 until we think we need a change,” Bochy said. “We’re probably a little short on the bench. I don’t quite have the flexibility I want, but it hasn’t come into play, and the extra pitching has been more of a need.”
Although Juan Uribe deemed himself fit and will be back in the lineup, the Giants won’t have their full complement yet. Leadoff hitter Andres Torres will get another day off to rest his strained left groin, but Bochy said he is available off the bench.
Bah. Get well soon, Andres.
They could be Giants...but not really.
really?
ugh.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
I think they are counting wrong
it’s 12 pitchers and a guy to pick up the balls after BP.
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Jul 14, 2010 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Apparently not.
I think he has to rape a turkey on the mound before they’ll do that. He has no doubt become One Of Our Guys®.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
I was OK with the 13-pitcher thing when they went to Colorado for a four-game set. (I think that’s when it started, anyway.) But this is getting stupid. Why would a team with one of the best starting rotations in baseball need eight relief pitchers?
because several of them
are more or less interchangeable and might all have to pitch to get through 3 innings.
But I concur- one Casilla seems to be about the same as one Casilla and one Bautista. Where is Larry Krueger when we need him?
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Jul 14, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
that’s what i’ve been saying. even 11 should be adequate most of the time.
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by greatgiantfan on Jul 15, 2010 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions
13 pitchers still??
seriously?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Good grief
So they have a bench consisting of Whiteside, a gimpy Torres, Renteria, and either Schierholtz or Burrell?
Not much in the way of dangerous bats there.
"I never think I’m a good player or a bad player. This is what I’m thinking: I can play. And I want to play." - Juan Uribe
I'm not even sure how to respond to that...
…other than to reiterate that any bench with only two hitters who are both (a) healthy and (b) not named Eli Whiteside is a very thin bench indeed. All the thinner when one of the two is a 33 year old shortstop whose HR hitting days are receding in the rear view mirror.
"I never think I’m a good player or a bad player. This is what I’m thinking: I can play. And I want to play." - Juan Uribe
I meant . . .
. . . that “not much in the way of dangerous bats there” seems rather unduly harsh. Torres is not all that “gimpy”, and could probably have started today (they’re taking “cautions” with him that they never would for One Of Our Guys®). Schierholtz is (probably) a decent batter. Renteria is a good bat. Burrell is a much-better-than-good bat. Or, putting it another way, three of the four are starter-level players.
Mind, virtually no one really does “well” as a pinch hitter except in statistical illusions—but guys who have been playing regularly will fare much better than guys who bat twice a week.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Renteria once was a good bat
I am increasingly convinced that those days are gone.
Burrell, if nothing else, is still showing some power, so I’ll concede him as a threat off the bench. (In fact I’ll be happier if he is primarily a threat off the bench the rest of the year.)
"I never think I’m a good player or a bad player. This is what I’m thinking: I can play. And I want to play." - Juan Uribe
the idea that died down oh so quickly...
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Nah
I think we’re still waiting on those.
These are from a company that’s not part of Grant’s empire.
They could be Giants...but not really.
ah, well, i think we talked about those shirts like what, 3 or 4 months ago?
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
guess i shouldn’t bring that question up with the person that started the whole shebang, NATTO WAS IT???
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Natto has his own shirts. The MCC shirt idea IIRC came from Grant.
They could be Giants...but not really.
ohhhh
i’m not gonna bash Grant then, he’s always hard at work
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I still like my t-shirt slogan
McCovey Chronicles
Because misery loves company and it’s lonely here in my mom’s basement
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
First I’ve heard it, and I gotta say, I like it.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
by can of corn on Jul 14, 2010 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Could we replace “mom’s basement” with “private jet”? When my mom comes downstairs I’ll have to explain it to her.
Jeaaaggaahh
by Soulbrother16 on Jul 14, 2010 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
i’d like one of those MCC shirts….as long as i don’t have to wear it in public
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by greatgiantfan on Jul 15, 2010 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd wear this in public.
Hell, I’d even wear it in private!
I know the difference between wrong and right
Don't make no difference in the middle of the night.
- Robert Cray, "Consequences"
by Snakepitbanitsagasbabycanyoudigit on Jul 15, 2010 4:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Since this has become a t-shirt pimping thread
I am going to suggest my friend, Crash’s line of t-shirts. Included is the WIN NOW design.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 15, 2010 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Skreened
And BOOM Goes The Dynamite as the budget is blown to Hell.
I know the difference between wrong and right
Don't make no difference in the middle of the night.
- Robert Cray, "Consequences"
by Snakepitbanitsagasbabycanyoudigit on Jul 15, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I wish I had some Geno’s Pizza Rolls right now
Bruce Bochy: Leave him alone, he's the Manager Man and his BORK is much worse than his bite.
Did any of you guys hear brian wilsons interview with jayon smith last night?
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
swooned the shit out of smith
added Delicious and Epic to jayson’s vocabulary
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
by slackersphere17 on Jul 14, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh Pablo
Per Baggy
Sandoval doesn’t have an extra-base hit in his past 76 at-bats (over 20 games).
by ThePasswordisWillieMcgee on Jul 14, 2010 11:11 PM PDT reply actions
oh my lord
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Somethings gotta change here, whether it’s his vision, his stance, his mechanics, something’s wrong and it wouldn’t surprise me if he stayed like this the rest of the season
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I don’t think we’re likely to see awesome Pablo again this year, but I’d be pretty surprised if he doesn’t start hitting better soon.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Jul 14, 2010 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I am pretty much ready to call his BABIP last year a fluke and unsustainable, but please, Pablo, hit like an average 3rd baseman :(
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Haha, i’ll say this, the dude is still what, 23? I’ll hold judgment for a later date.. but for now? it aint lookin good. But that’s not to say he can’t figure things out and change, it just wont be a quick change
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
it aint lookin good.
It’s been pretty ugly this year, but let’s maintain a little bit of positive perspective. He’s a 23-year-old with almost 1,200 plate appearances of a 121 OPS+. That’s a very good thing to wait a long, long time to give up on.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Jul 14, 2010 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Yea, for sure, there’s no way i’m giving up on Pablo, i just think it’s going to be something that will take a while for him to change
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Yeah, he definitely needs to figure something out.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Jul 14, 2010 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
“Hit ball far” would be a good thing to figure out right about now.
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"hit ball into play" also "no out" would be nice
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I don’t think he’s a .350 BABIP hitter, but I sure as hell don’t think he’s a sub .290 BABIP hitter either.
The only really weird thing is the power. Where did the power go? Why won’t it at least call? It said it would call. Why didn’t it call? Is it coming back? Oh, god, it said it would call!
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Jul 14, 2010 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions
The question is almost, how much worse can it get? He’s done it all, the double plays, no power, not squaring up anything, striking out more
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
He is currently being out slugged by Ichiro.
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I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Ok... like i said, how much worse can it get
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
The most alarming part of this to me is
I’ve seen him pop up pitches that he would have hammered last year.
It may indicate a mechanics or vision issue that you alluded to earlier.
Im not convinced its a BABIP fluke yet.
by ThePasswordisWillieMcgee on Jul 14, 2010 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions
a big second half from him would be huge
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by greatgiantfan on Jul 15, 2010 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions
lalalalalalalalalalalala*big second half*lalalalalalala
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 15, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
This
doan worry, poplo loe he team, he wan get berry good for body to play the beisbol
Proud Aussie father of Roberto Kelly
Oh man,
This is great.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
nm, they actually did it once last year.
by kingofthacove on Jul 15, 2010 1:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Harper has already been moved to the OF.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Is his bat that good or his defense that bad?
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 15, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Baggs midseason grades
Rotation: B-
Bullpen: C
Catcher: B+
Infield: C+
Outfield: B
Bench: B-
Management/front office: C
http://www.mercurynews.com/giants/ci_15519924?
I think I’d grade the IF more of a B- and the management/FO closer to flunking, but the rest look ok to me. YAY FOR CATCHER
They could be Giants...but not really.
How in the fuck do catchers get a higher grade than the rotation? I know the rotation’s been inconsistent lately, but the catchers were terrible until like two weeks ago.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
YOU LEAVE WHITEY ALONE
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 15, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Simple average
Molina D, Whiteside C, Posey A++++++
"I never think I’m a good player or a bad player. This is what I’m thinking: I can play. And I want to play." - Juan Uribe
LOL grading curve
Bullpen= Animal House GPA
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
Shift + A
I’m still of the belief that most catchers are just throwing out suggestions until the pitcher gets the sign he wants. Going into the season, we had starting pitchers who had been around the league a few times & didn’t need help telling them how to pitch to hitters. Only the Bumgarner-Posey combo needs more guidance and I’m sure they get it before the game and in between innings.
The Magic is inside all of us.
Proud father of the man taking your hard-earned money.
Ideally, the catcher is so familiar with what the pitcher wants to do that the pitcher doesn’t feel the need to worry about which pitch is being called and instead worries about throwing the pitch well.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 15, 2010 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions
that’s about it.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Jul 15, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
if you watch Posey, he is getting a lot of signs from the bench
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Horseshit! No Manager Ever Does That There Is A Mystique About Game Calling Lalala
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Jul 15, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Whenever there is a man on base . . .
. . . the catcher must look in on every pitch to see if a play is being put on (pitchout, whatever). If you suspect dugout pitch-calling, it would have to be repeated look-ins when the bases are empty.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Game Tonight
Yeah! I’m so stoked!
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ALLISON STOKKED!?!?
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Should Giants consider using Sandoval more at catcher down the road?
If he keeps losing range at 3rd, the inclination is to move him to 1st. But it doesn’t seem his bat will play at 1st unless he returns to 2009 form. Thus, it might make sense to have him catch a little and perhaps build up his trade value.
Cookyman's anger rising
it’s at 5000
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I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
In before over 9000 jokes start.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
No, they should do it right now.
If they catch Sandoval a couple of days a week, Posey gets some rest and relief (on one of those two days he can play 1B). The entire key position-player squad (10 men) can be set into a “rotation” that gives every man a day a week off without any real scrubs being needed.
The other advantage, besides resting Posey some, is its helping—at least somewhat—in keeping Sandoval’s weight down.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Definitely
I don’t know how he stacks up defensively next to Posey, but I think he should absolutely be the first option (ie before Whiteside) in terms of getting Busty some rest.
Sigh Sportsnation poll
To what do you attribute the decline in run production in major league baseball?
57% chose drug testing
32% better pitching
2% better scouting
9% Cyclical down year for hitting
My preferred choice — teams placing higher emphasis on defense, isn’t even a choice in the poll =/
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I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
THE STEROID ERA IS OVER!
NOW THAT ALL THOSE HITTERS HAVE STOPPED USING, ALL THESE CLEAN PITCHERS CAN GO BACK TO DOING WELL. YEP, THAT IS TOTALLY WHAT HAPPENED.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Colin Cowherd is a douchbag
"Imagine how many banners we would have if I was GM..." - Drew Remenda
Thanks for the Memories Nabby.
by BrandonMK50 on Jul 15, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Was that one of the choices?
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 15, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL WARRIORS
Oracle CEO Larry Ellison will not be the next owner of the Golden State Warriors, according to a source close to the situation. A potential deal between Ellison’s consortium, which includes the current Warriors’ minority ownership group, has fallen through, according to that source.
The next owner of the Warriors will be a group led by Mandalay Entertainment CEO Peter Guber and Joe Lacob, a minority owner of the Boston Celtics.
The group paid $450 million, topping the previous NBA record of $401 million for the Phoenix Suns in 2004.
Guber has been a fixture in the entertainment industry for more than 30 years. He has personally produced or executive produced Rain Man, Batman, The Color Purple, Midnight Express, Gorillas in the Mist: The Story of Dian Fossey, The Witches of Eastwick, Missing and Flashdance.
Guber owns and/or operates through MSE’s subsidiary Mandalay Baseball Properties, the following professional teams: Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Yankees, a Triple-A affiliate of the New York Yankees; the Frisco RoughRiders, a Double-A affiliate of the Texas Rangers; the Dayton Dragons, a Single-A affiliate of the Cincinnati Reds; the Erie SeaWolves, a Double-A affiliate of the Detroit Tigers and the Staten Island Yankees, a Single-A affiliate of the New York Yankees.
Read more: EXCLUSIVE: Ellison Out, Guber New Warriors Owner
Tune to SportsNet Central at 6, 10:30 and midnight on Comcast SportsNet Bay Area for more on this story
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
LOL EAST COAST
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Vandelay Industries?
what what?
When this .sig was awaiting the Final Sabean Apocalypse, I never once in a million years suspected it would be a "good" Apocalypse. Bengie... Don't let the door hit you IN YOUR GIANT ASS on the way out!
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game totally stalled and basically dead at this point
another ass-fucking of the bay area by Chris Cohan
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD!
mccoven diversity: Romosexuals, Velezbians, Nerb's, fanGirlies--they're all here...
by greatgiantfan on Jul 15, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
So the Warriors new mascot will be a chocolate covered peanut?
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 15, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
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