minor lines, 7/10/10
by steve S on Jul 10, 2010 10:11 PM PDT
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PrintHighlights from the Giants' farm: David Mixon and Brian Irving each allowed just 2 ER in 7.0+ IP.
AAA: Fresno lost to Tacoma 8-2
Fresno: 2B Eugenio Velez: 2 for 3, 3B, BB
Fresno: C Jackson Williams: 2 for 4, 2B
Tacoma: 1B Mike Carp: 2 for 4, 2 HR
Fresno: SP Daryl Maday: 5.0 IP, 9 H, 8 R, 8 ER, 3 BB, 3 K--3 HR
Fresno: RP Alex Hinshaw: 2.0 IP, 2 K
Velez and Williams each had two hits for the Grizzlies. Williams had had just two hits over his previous six games since being promoted to the PCL. Carp, who has received 84 AB with the Mariners last year and previously this year, had his 14th and 15th HRs of the year.
Maday had his least effective start of the year. After allowing just 25 ER and 3 HR in sixteen Eastern League starts, he has allowed 8 ER and 5 HR in his first two PCL starts. Hinshaw had 2.0 perfect IP while throwing 13 of 20 ptiches for strikes.
AA: Richmond lost to Altoona 2-1
(yielding both runs in the 1st inning)
Richmond: 1B Brandon Belt: 1 for 4, HR
Richmond: LF Thomas Neal: 1 for 3, BB
Richmond: SP David Mixon: 7.0 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 0 BB, 5 K--1 HR
Richmond: RP Rafael Cova: 1.0 IP, 1 K
Altoona: SP Zach Duke: 4.0 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 0 K--1 HR
Belt's 3rd HR scored the Flying Squirrels' only run. With one of their four hits and one of their two walks, Neal was their only hitter to reach base twice. His OBP is now an even .350.
Mixon had his sixth quality start (all with two runs or less too) in his last seven starts. With 5 K and 0 BB, he also got his K/BB ratio back above 3.00. Cova pitched a perfect 8th inning. The Pirates' Duke made his second rehab start.
A+: San Jose lost to Lake Elsinore 8-2
San Jose: 3B Jose Flores: 2 for 4, 2B, SO, E
San Jose: SP Eric Stolp: 5.0 IP, 5 H, 5 R, 3 ER, 4 BB, 1 K--2 HR, 1 HB
Flores was the only Giant to reach base twice. He is now hitting .340/.379/.461 through 191 AB this year. Last year he had a sub-.400 OPS in just 49 AB.
Stolp had a season-high 4 BB in his tenth start. His K/BB slippled below 2.00; and his ERA for the season, including six relief appearances before he moved into the rotation, rose above 4.50.
A-: Augusta defeated Kannapolis 3-2
Augusta: CF Evan Crawford: 2 for 4, 2B, 2 SO, SB
Augusta: 1B Luke Anders: 2 for 3, 2B, BB, SO
Augusta: SP Brian Irving: 7.1 IP, 8 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 0 BB, 4 K--1 HB, 1 WP
Augusta: RP Jose Casilla: 1.2 IP, 1 H
Crawford and Anders were two of three GreenJackets with two hits each. They had their 9th and 20th doubles, respectively. Crawford also had his 17th SB.
Irving's fifth start was easily his longest of the year, not only completing six innings for the first time but even pitching into the 8th inning. For the season, his ERA remains just above 4.00. Casilla got his 6th save as his ERA dipped just below 1.00.
ssA: Salem-Keizer lost to Tri-City 1-0
Salem-Keizer: LF Ryan Scoma: 2 for 4, SO, CS
Salem-Keizer: DH Adam Duvall: 0 for 2, 2 BB
Salem-Keizer: SP Edward Concepcion: 6.0 IP, 6 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 1 K--1 WP
Salem-Keizer: RP Matt Graham: 2.0 IP, 1 H, 1 BB--1 IBB
Scoma had the Volcanoes' only multi-hit line, raising his AVG a bit further to .380. Duvall also reached base twice.
After scuffling through his first two starts, Concepcion has now strung together three fairly effective starts. Over his past three starts, the 21-year-old has peripheral stats of 13 H, 5 BB, and 13 K in 17.0 IP. After three ineffective starts, Graham made his first pro relief appearance and pitched two scoreless frames.
R: Giants defeated Cubs 9-0
Scottsdale: C Chuckie Jones: 1 for 5, HR, 2 SO
Scottsdale: 1B Brian Cutspec: 3 for 5, 3 SO
Scottsdale: CF Mike Murray: 3 for 4, 2B
Scottsdale: SP Austin Fleet: 6.0 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 5 K
Scottsdale: RP David Newton: 1.0 IP, 1 K
Murray and Cutspec each had three hits, raising their respective AVGs to .462 and .278. Jones had his 3rd HR. (Also, I suspect that the box score is mistaken in switching the defensive positions which Jones and Murray presumably played.)
The 23-year-old Fleet has his third straight impressive start, at least statistically as it appears in the box score. He has not allowed a run over his last three starts, dropping his ERA below 1.00. Newton has yet to allow a baserunner through his three appearances.
DSL: Giants hosting Nationals (no results reported)
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Belt with another HR.
Sweet.
Also… Zach Duke?
Ha.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Jul 10, 2010 10:14 PM PDT reply actions
Dave Mixon
Can someone ’splain the one game in AAA last year? Thx.
I know the difference between wrong and right
Don't make no difference in the middle of the night.
- Robert Cray, "Consequences"
by Snakepitbanitsagasbabycanyoudigit on Jul 10, 2010 11:30 PM PDT reply actions
Pretty similar to Oliver Odle earlier this year. The Fresno rotation was short-handed due to promotions to the big league roster and/or injuries to its own staff. A couple pitchers are then promoted from San Jose to Fresno to make a spot start.
danke!
I know the difference between wrong and right
Don't make no difference in the middle of the night.
- Robert Cray, "Consequences"
by Snakepitbanitsagasbabycanyoudigit on Jul 12, 2010 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions
chuckie jones
LTP!!!
Felicitations, malefactors! I am endeavoring to misappropriate the formulary for the preparation of affordable comestibles. Who will join me!?
Austin Fleet for Augusta next season?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
They need to get him to SK at this point. He’s tuned up, he’s got some innings in, now they need to get him to an appropriate level. A 23 year old dominating the AZL just isn’t telling us anything about his abilities or helping him develop.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
+1
Especially when you consider that non-prospects like Taylor Rogers (23 years old) and Shane Kaufman (24 years old) have started 7 of the 22 games this year for S-K. The Giants need to fast-track several of these college draftees and Caribbean players that are in Scottsdale and S-K.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Do we really know if this is the case? I know I don’t have enough information to say this is the case. For example, it could be that the Giants want Fleet in rookie ball to work on a particular pitch before he is promoted to the Northwest League. Meanwhile, Fleet could be not working on that pitch in game situations and just dominating with his fastball, whether it is because it is over-powering or just controlled location-wise very well. I have no info to suggest this is the case either, but I am not sure this is any less plausible based on what I have heard that he is not currently assigned to the appropriate level. I know some of you are able to follow the lower minors closer than I do, though.
I’m a little lost on your point here, Steve. I can’t tell exactly what you’re objecting to that seems implausible? Do I know it’s the case that spending the summer in a complex league isn’t particularly helpful to the development of a healthy 23-year old college senior draftee? Yeah, personally I feel comfortable saying that that’scateogorically true.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
No, the Giants just don’t always get their recent draftees assigned to the correct level at the start of the short-season leagues. The same thing happened last year. Westcott and Stoffel were assigned to the AZL, they dominated and then were quickly promoted to S-K.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
They like most all of their recent draftees to come through Scottsdale for a little transition to the pros period, but most of the older ones fairly quickly go on to SK. However, there have been exceptions, the most notable that jumps into my mind was Kyle Nicholson, who spent his entire draft season as a 23 year old in the AZL.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
I think my basic reaction (in answer to Roger’s question but queing of Fla’s use of “correct level”) is that I don’t think it is correct to conclude that the stats are telling us that Fleet (or another player with remarkably good stats) has been assigned to the wrong level. That is one possible interpretation, but hardly the only one. More info is needed.
Perhaps it is an overreaction on my part, but I’m less than comfortable with the implied assertions that multiple commenters on this board could run the Giants minor league system better than Bobby Evans and his staff.
In terms of 23-year-olds with college experience being assigned to the AZL, what is the alternative? Sign fewer college players? Release more players sooner? Demote the current Volcanoes pitchers who have not yet reached their 21st birthday?
Ah, backseat Baseball Operations-ing. Yes, quite annoying, very convenient for us commenters, and totally totally something I’m guilty of. But without it, what would we be doing here? I obviously don’t mind criticizing the organization when they do something odd (which is disturbingly frequent to my mind), but I appreciate your point of view and will take any criticism happily from you, Steve. I in my defense, I don’t tend to be a “this guy has nothing to prove, promote him” zealot — i’m just an age appropriate for league zealot, as you well know.
However, I will make a couple small corrections that I think better capture my point. I did not say that Fleet had been assigned to the “wrong level”, nor that his stats told me he had been assigned to the wrong level. I know they like to bring signees through Arizona. Once the initial SK roster is set they do this with virtually all their signees, regardless of age or experience, but they don’t necessarily keep them there. So last year Dominguez, Stoffel, Evan Crawford I know all appeared there briefly, as did Brandon Crawford the year before. Its SOP for the organization and that seems fine to me.
I do say, that if they continue to keep him in the AZL for the summer, they’ll have delayed the development of an already older player and so if they really have plans for them it would be good to get him up to the NWL or Augusta. They’ve shown they like to challenge pitchers so generally I’ll trust them to make the right call on his level, but I assume that will be to try to get Fleet promoted.
As for the numbers game, and your right that plays a huge role in who goes where, I honestly don’t think it’s an issue in the system right now — there’s a tremendous amount of dead wood in the org’s SP depth chart. Virtually every level is littered with pitchers who are repeating levels, old for their league or both. SK’s rotation features league repeaters Shane Kaufman (24) and Taylor Rogers (23). Augusta strangely enough has 25 year old Craig Clark starting for them, SJ has two 24 year olds in their rotation, and there were 3 just a week or two ago. Richmond has 28 year old Mike MacDougald in the rotation and several other near (or at) 30 org fillers in the bullpen.
so the answer to the numbers game is what it always is: to accomodate the fresh talent you have coming in your move around and sometimes out the old talent which you have determined is filler. I see plenty of wiggle room for that to happen in the system right now and I would be a bit surprised if we didn’t see some movement to accomodate Fleet going up to the NWL in the next week.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
Neal
he got Friday off. I’m guessing it was b/c he’ll be playing in the ASG this week and Skeels wanted to get him some advanced rest.
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 11, 2010 12:50 AM PDT reply actions
Actually they had removed him early from Thursday night’s game for some undisclosed malady. Then they sat him on Friday.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
oh. didn’t notice that. thanks.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 11, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope this Graham relieving thing is just to get his confidence back. Seems three starts really isn’t enough to determine he’s not going to make it as an SP and blowing the chance to develop yet another great starter would be an unfortunate blemish on our otherwise excellent track record developing pitchers.
Goodbye, Steven Johnson, we hardly knew ye. Seriously, that was short.
Where are RafRod and Kieshnick?
Buy High,Sell Lower- The Brian Sabean methodology to Running (Ruining) the Giants
by Mordy From Monsey on Jul 11, 2010 4:51 AM PDT reply actions
Kieschnick’s back on the DL with more back spasms. Second time this year, those must be some spasms.
RichH mentioned recently that RafRod had some kind of injury as well (leg?), although he said a few days ago they thought he might be back that day, so not sure what’s going on with him at this point. Might not be the worst idea in the world to use the injury as an excuse to get him back to the AZL for a bit and get his feet back under him.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
Brandon Belt huh
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Pffffft! 1 for 5 with no walks. What a bum!
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
Hey, lookit Chuckie Jones putting up a .360 ISO! And at 17 (for another couple weeks) he’s age appropriate for the AZL. In an otherwise pretty drab draft class, I’ll go ahead and cling to Jones’ ray of hope. Now if he could just get his defensive game in order, I could start singing Chuckie’s in Glove.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
Chucking will be a plus tool
proud, yes I said proud, adoptive papa of "Geno" Eugenio Velez
by foothillsfan on Jul 11, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
HR fever!
Chuckie Jones has caught and so has ToJo.
Jones has 3 HRs in his last 4 games, and Tojo has 4 in his last 7. As I wrote about 5 days ago in Minor Lines, Chuckie Jones is hands-down the surprise of the 2010 draft so far. Heh – I get a chuckle just imagining Chuckie trying to squat down behind home plate wearing the tools of ignorance with those long legs of his.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
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