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Hey Team "I Like Numbers So Much I Want to Marry Them":

I was wondering if anyone could clue me in about the standard behavior of BABIP.  I know some players maintain higher ones than others throughout there career, but is there considered a "mean useful" BABIP, below which a player just isn't hitting the damn ball well?  Does BABIP tend to regress to individual career means, an absolute mean, or a different mean by level/league?  What's the minimum sample size for BABIP to begin to have any predictive/interpretive value?

Specifically, I'm trying to read the MILB splits of some of the underperformers (Tommy Joseph) in hopes of unveiling some hidden hope (and maybe there is some?  Joseph is raking like a... thing that rakes a lot...  ummm... a gardner, maybe?... in July), but his month-to-month BABIP is all over the place and I can't figure out how to interpret it--it's actually lower this month than it was in his much crappier June.

Thanks!

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I was going to try to write something, but I knew Cooky would make his way here and put together something that was 100 times better than anything I could do, and I was right.

by marcello on Jul 10, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just two more questions.

Is BABIP generally league neutral? Does, say, the Cal League have a higher average BABIP than the Eastern?

And is there ever any value in comparing BABIPs between two players? I mean, obviously Ichiro will have a higher BABIP than Scott Rowand, but let’s say one player has a .305 career BABIP and another has a .295. Is there any meaningful lesson to be drawn from that?

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by multiphasic on Jul 10, 2010 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

BABIP varies from park to park (it’s always a bit high in Coors and a bit low in Petco), so I’m sure it varies a bit from league to league, but I don’t know where to find the numbers. The PCL is filled with launching pads, so I’m sure BABIP is high there, but other than that, I can’t help you.

As for the second question – a quick answer would be no. While it’s tempting – and logical – to think that good hitter = good BABIP, it just doesn’t work like that. Best proof I can think of: Barry Bonds, career BABIP of .285. And, in fact, you’d be surprised to hear that Rowand’s career BABIP, while not nearly as high as Ichiro’s, is quite high – .319 for his career. Why? No idea. He doesn’t do anything right (not fast, doesn’t hit line drives, not a ground ball hitter, doesn’t have great power, no patience, pulls everything). Maybe he’s had crazy luck, but more likely there’s something he does (or used to do) well that we don’t know how measure (yet). In many ways, Sabermetrics are still just a bunch of very educated guesses.

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by Cookyman on Jul 10, 2010 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Best proof I can think of: Barry Bonds, career BABIP of .285.

Probably because he hit so many home runs relative to his other hits, and they put on the shift frequently.

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by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 10, 2010 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well put.

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by owlcroft on Jul 10, 2010 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Opposite field approach

Wouldn’t this only apply to left-handed hitters? The majority of infield hits go to the left side. I would think right-handed pull hitters and left-handed opposite field hitters would benefit most from this. (This could help to explain Rowand’s high BABIP.)

by RoyaleWithCheese on Jul 11, 2010 1:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

The 1B is generally the worst defender on the diamond, and he often has to play very close to the bag to hold the runner, so the hole between the fielders on the right side plays larger.

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by Bhaakon on Jul 11, 2010 2:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Can you explain David Wright?

Last year 390+ BABIP, this year 400+

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by Azmanz on Jul 11, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

He is a fantastic line-drive hitter, and has enough speed to beat out more than his share of infield singles. That explains the .349 career BABIP. I’d expect his BABIP to go back to that any time now.

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by Cookyman on Jul 11, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

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