BABIP and Level
Hey Team "I Like Numbers So Much I Want to Marry Them":
I was wondering if anyone could clue me in about the standard behavior of BABIP. I know some players maintain higher ones than others throughout there career, but is there considered a "mean useful" BABIP, below which a player just isn't hitting the damn ball well? Does BABIP tend to regress to individual career means, an absolute mean, or a different mean by level/league? What's the minimum sample size for BABIP to begin to have any predictive/interpretive value?
Specifically, I'm trying to read the MILB splits of some of the underperformers (Tommy Joseph) in hopes of unveiling some hidden hope (and maybe there is some? Joseph is raking like a... thing that rakes a lot... ummm... a gardner, maybe?... in July), but his month-to-month BABIP is all over the place and I can't figure out how to interpret it--it's actually lower this month than it was in his much crappier June.
Thanks!
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All about BABIP
First off all, BABIP is different for pitchers and hitters. 99.5% of MLB pitchers will, over their careers, post a BABIP very close to .300. Even the rare exceptions – Zambrano is one, for example – still keep it relatively close (.284 in his case). Any BABIP significantly (say, 10 points or more) higher or lower than .300 should be assumed to be a complete fluke, unless the pitcher has truly proven that he can keep it that low – or high – over a really long time (and I mean really long – 3-4 seasons at the very east).
With hitters, it is slightly more complicated. Most do stay around .300 for their career, but some can go as high as ~.355, and as low as ~.270. The vast majority still stay somewhere in the .290-.330 zone (for their careers), though.
BABIP can fluctuate tremendously from year to year (let alone month to month), and the fluctuations very rarely mean anything. If a player has one year with a .350 BABIP, and then another with a .290 BABIP, he’s a .320 BABIP hitter as far as you’re concerned. There are some very rare exceptions (usually with players nearing the end of their careers, losing power and speed), but they can be hard to identify. A good why to find underrated players is to pick up players who had low BABIPs for one season – this is what the Diamondbacks did with Kelly Johnson this year, or what the Yankees did with Nick Swisher in 2009.
As for the skills that are likely to lead to a high BABIP – it is fairly intuitive. Fast players will beat out more infield hits. Ground balls go for hits more often than fly balls, and line drives go for hits far more often than either. Power, patience, and an opposite field approach help, too.
The ultimate BABIPer would therefore be a very fast ground ball hitter with a patient, opposite field approach, who hits line drives and has power. Modern science has yet to develop such a creature, but it has gotten very close; we call it “Ichiro”. His career .358 BABIP is the highest among active players, and is one of the many reasons that he is better than you. The anti-Ichiros are guys like Pedro Feliz (.267) and Bengie Molina (.276).
BABIPs are a bit higher in the minors, especially the low minors (because the defense is terrible). Good hitting prospects will usually post high BABIPs in the minors, but they regress to somewhere around league average in the majors. Except when they don’t. But usually they do. As for Joseph’s BABIP – I’d avoid trying to learn anything from the month to month fluctuations. They are almost certainly the result of sheer luck.
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by Cookyman on Jul 10, 2010 3:42 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
I was going to try to write something, but I knew Cooky would make his way here and put together something that was 100 times better than anything I could do, and I was right.
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Just two more questions.
Is BABIP generally league neutral? Does, say, the Cal League have a higher average BABIP than the Eastern?
And is there ever any value in comparing BABIPs between two players? I mean, obviously Ichiro will have a higher BABIP than Scott Rowand, but let’s say one player has a .305 career BABIP and another has a .295. Is there any meaningful lesson to be drawn from that?
But this is an amazing primer.
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BABIP varies from park to park (it’s always a bit high in Coors and a bit low in Petco), so I’m sure it varies a bit from league to league, but I don’t know where to find the numbers. The PCL is filled with launching pads, so I’m sure BABIP is high there, but other than that, I can’t help you.
As for the second question – a quick answer would be no. While it’s tempting – and logical – to think that good hitter = good BABIP, it just doesn’t work like that. Best proof I can think of: Barry Bonds, career BABIP of .285. And, in fact, you’d be surprised to hear that Rowand’s career BABIP, while not nearly as high as Ichiro’s, is quite high – .319 for his career. Why? No idea. He doesn’t do anything right (not fast, doesn’t hit line drives, not a ground ball hitter, doesn’t have great power, no patience, pulls everything). Maybe he’s had crazy luck, but more likely there’s something he does (or used to do) well that we don’t know how measure (yet). In many ways, Sabermetrics are still just a bunch of very educated guesses.
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Best proof I can think of: Barry Bonds, career BABIP of .285.
Probably because he hit so many home runs relative to his other hits, and they put on the shift frequently.
"We didn't win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad,"-KNBR caller.
by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 10, 2010 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Opposite field approach
Wouldn’t this only apply to left-handed hitters? The majority of infield hits go to the left side. I would think right-handed pull hitters and left-handed opposite field hitters would benefit most from this. (This could help to explain Rowand’s high BABIP.)
by RoyaleWithCheese on Jul 11, 2010 1:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Can you explain David Wright?
Last year 390+ BABIP, this year 400+
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2011 Opening Day starting SS!

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