Giants/Reds series preview
by Grant Brisbee on Jun 7, 2010 12:48 PM PDT
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PrintLast year, the Cincinnati Reds scored only 16 more runs than the San Francisco Giants. They did so even though they played at Great American Ball Park, which is a little bit of a hitter’s park.
Pause for dramatic effect.
So when people were trumpeting the Reds as a possible sleeper pick for the N.L. Central this year, I wasn’t seeing it. The Reds were just as bad at hitting as the Giants – the Giants! – but they didn’t have anything close to the star power or depth of the Giants’ rotation. How in the heck were they supposed to contend with a setup like that?
But the Reds did something unusual: they "improved" the offense. I’ve been scouring the rule books to see if this is legal. Maybe there are some league-enforced sanctions coming their way. To be fair to the Giants, though, the Reds’ strategy for improving the offense wasn’t exactly a complicated, multi-tiered strategy. The three main components of the strategy:
- Hope an injury-prone veteran (Scott Rolen) would stay healthy and be awesome again
- Hope that most of the other hitters would improve if the Reds asked nicely
- Hope that Wily Taveras would not try to sneak onto the roster with a disguise and an alias. I would think he’d go with something like "Juan Swipesillano," but that’s just the poet in me.
Where last year they had Adam Rosales at third, now they have a healthy Scott Rolen. Where last year they had a bargain-priced Bocockian shortstop (without the defense) in Paul Janish, they have the name brand this year with Orlando Cabrera. Where they had a gimpy, ineffective Ramon Hernandez last year, they have a healthy and productive one this year. Every little bit has helped, and it’s all added up to a well above-average offense
The Reds have also benefited by starting Jonny Gomes, a local product who can mash lefties and hit home runs, but who often swallows his own tongue when trying to catch fly balls. The Giants had no use for that sort of player in the offseason, preferring to wait until June to get an older version of their very own.
Pitcher to watch:
Mike Leake is a bad, bad man. While he might not be quite this good (2.22 ERA despite only striking out 6.2 hitters per nine innings pitched), it’s pretty impressive how much success he’s had despite skipping the minor leagues entirely. It was a pretty crazy gamble to rush him like this, but this looks like one of the more successful jumps off a cliff since Albert Pujols came up straight from A-ball.
Hitter to watch:
Mike Leake is a bad, bad man. While he might not be quite this good (.417/.440/.458 with ten hits in 24 at-bats), it’s pretty impressive how much success he’s had despite being a pitcher who skipped the minors. The Giants would love to take a pitching prospect like that and move him to first base. If the Giants picked Leake instead of Zack Wheeler, we probably wouldn’t have to suffer through Todd Wellemeyer starts this year. Say lah vee.
Prediction:
We’ll be pretty sick of the Reds by Thursday. Four games? Yeeesh.
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Sorry: Lineup
From Schulman:
Posey catching, Bengie sits: Torres CF, Sanchez 2B, Sandoval 3B, Huff 1B, Uribe SS, Burrell LF, Posey C, Rowand CF, Zito P.
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Good!
WHY IS BENGIE?!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 7, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Agree. But could also be better…. Why is Rowand playing? And why no Nate?
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As I posted in the other thread on this
I am glad Buster is catching. But when Zito gives up the dingerz in the Reds tiny park, it will be Buster’s fault.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 7, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Setting Buster up for failure.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jun 7, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
MAybe having someone athletic back there will allow Zito to unleash the fury of his curve.
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by say hey nation on Jun 7, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps I am thinking backwards on this
But having someone with no mobility behind the plate may be forcing Zito to concentrate on being more precise with his curve. Knowing that if you bounce a pitch it will end up at the backstop may be keeping him in the strikezone.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 7, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
But he might be avoiding the nasty curve b/c if he does bounce everyone will advance 2 bases.
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by say hey nation on Jun 7, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I have no problem with Burrell in LF, but why not Torres in CF and Nate in RF?
Rowand could not hit a ball out of the mini ATT park in the LF bleachers.
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I think Nate’s shoulder may still be suspect. I dunno.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
Plus Rowand makes more money than Nate.
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by j14 on Jun 7, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
his paycheck is suspect
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 7, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
suspect was brought in for questioning and subjected to a lineup of other suspicious shoulders. hammys were already in the holding cell
...Dr. Vader will see you now.
And that was how it began. The five of us
brought in on a trumped-up charge to be
leaned on by half-wits. What the cops
never figured out, and what I know now,
was that these men would never break,
never lie down, never bend over for
anybody. .. Anybody.
Kyle Stratford : Brian Sabean :: Toby Flenderson : Michael Scott
Back when I was picking beans in Guatemala, we used to make fresh coffee, right off the trees I mean. That was good. This is shit but, hey, I’m in a police station.
...Dr. Vader will see you now.
oh really?
I live in queens.
what do you have a team of monkeys working round the clock on this?
No one here gets out alive.
we can copy and paste all night....so here goes...
I’m really thirsty. I used to dehydrate as a kid. One time it got so bad my piss came out like snot. I’m not kidding, it was all thick and gooey.
...Dr. Vader will see you now.
me too...oh well
L.A., was good for about two hours. We
were from New York. There’s no place to
eat after one; you can’t get a pizza that
doesn’t taste like a fried fruit-bat, and
the broads don’t want to know you if you
don’t look like a broad. Within a few
days the last of us was ready to go back
to N.Y., but Keaton wouldn’t have it, so
he really didn’t have a choice. We went
to work.
Kyle Stratford : Brian Sabean :: Toby Flenderson : Michael Scott
Nate;'s shoulder
will be “suspect” all season. It provides Bochy with a convenient excuse. Nate went into a slump. He’s not allowed to do that and continue playing.
Yup
As I recall, Bochy also said that Nate would now be a late-inning defensive replacement, and that he’s one of two other outfielders who are “slumping.”
Man… FUCK Bochy!
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Burrell in the lineup consistently should surprise no one. How many games has he been on the team? How many has he started. Bochy just can’t help himself.
No one here gets out alive.
That it’s so fucking predictable makes it anger me that much worse….
by Missing Barry on Jun 7, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
yup
another team is paying him 10 million dollars to stay away, and we plug him in as a starter right away. Such a fucking joke
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also, his veteran gamertude is suspect
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 7, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Why do you have no problem with Burrell in LF? What makes you think Burrell is anything but another worthless, washed up veteran?
by Missing Barry on Jun 7, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Burrell seems a particularly poor choice with (a) a RHP going for the Reds, and (b) an extreme fly-ball pitcher going for the Giants.
I just flat out don’t get what Burrell has done to earn a starting spot, or even to be thought of as a useful player. Well, unless sucking as a hitter and fielder the last year+ when you’re old qualifies…..
by Missing Barry on Jun 7, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep, he’s got all of the qualifications.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 7, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
hankschulman Correction: Torres in RF, Rowand CF.
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Fooey. (see below)
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
"...and is the reason 'why' really something we should be striving for?" - (guess who)
by victor frankenstein on Jun 7, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Run prevention at its best
No Red hits to right field, Bochy says.
/Win the inning
//Renteria - Still not a VD but I crush a lot
///Willism is Realism
by Scooter Ellis on Jun 7, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
you're crazy
I like you, but you’re crazy.
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Woohoo Posey at C
Proud father of Mike Krukow (who is more than 3 times my age)
Grab Some Pine, Meat
Still cheering for Kevin Frandsen
John Bowker: One of the 3 best OF's on the Giants roster
by Gobroks on Jun 7, 2010 1:12 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
This is, quite simply
our best lineup all year.
My Son, fourth outfielder extraordinaire.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
Current Pass Recipients (50 PA min): Whiteside, Huff, Sanchez, Torres
I am sure the gods will shit on us
and it will score -2 runs.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Still, the seal has been broken — Posey catching, Bengie sitting. This is like Rosa Parks being sat in the front of the bus, especially if it was at the expense of a fat, slow cracker with batspeed left.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Jun 7, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
*no batspeed left.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Jun 7, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
The irony is that Buster is an actual cracker.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 7, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
racis!
"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Jun 7, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s not my fault he’s from Georgia….
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 7, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Jun 7, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
couldn't agree more
the only thing I’d change is Nate in RF and Rowand sitting. I mean, it’d be nice if Posey was higher in the order, but at least he’s catching finally. Fucking morons
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gotta keep y'all guessin
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This is my favorite lineup of the year
Put Nate in RF and move Torres to center and I would agree with it wholeheartedly.
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by j14 on Jun 7, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
come on Buster
The helmet goes on the head, the mask over the face, and the mitt on your left hand. You can do it!
"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Jun 7, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
…and the nutty-buddy in the crotch. why are you eating ice cream out of it?
...Dr. Vader will see you now.
lil' buster:
buh veh ife cream iff fo yummy!
/chocolate ice cream running down face and hands
/ejected from game for having illegal dark, sticky substance all over bat.
...Dr. Vader will see you now.
As long as it's not melted Choco Tacos
The last Giant who admitted his love for them was in trouble for having the munchies later.
I can see it now: “Bochy refuses to play Posey because pot is a performance-enhancing drug!”
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
Choco Tacos are PEDs now? At least the push pops are still ok. for now.
...Dr. Vader will see you now.
Otter Pops are on the banned substance list IIRC.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 7, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Odd that they haven't banned Gatorade, then...
…since it’s nothing more than melted Otter Pops. :D
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
If I were to make the lineup, it'd be something like this
Torres CF
Sanchez 2b
Posey C
Sandoval 3B
Burrell 1B
Huff LF
Uribe SS
Nate RF
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 7, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
that’s what Bengie said at/about the buffet
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 7, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Winona has excellent aim
She can land a ping-pong ball into a beer mug from 10 meters away.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 7, 2010 12:52 PM PDT reply actions
I think Walker has better distance though.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 7, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I saw Winona do that trick one night at The Viper Room in ’99. Brought down the house.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Jun 7, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Huff (in the main pic) doing the Carlton dance?
And thank the stars the Giants will only see Leake for one game, both hitting and pitching, in this series. It’s too bad Wellemeyer will opposite him as he literally will do everything opposite of Leake that game. “That’s not good, folks…”
/Win the inning
//Renteria - Still not a VD but I crush a lot
///Willism is Realism
Is there a way to advance the Dusty Baker arm-ruinator?
Anybody here a mechanic?
at the end of the day it's all about kicking the tires
by duke_diligence on Jun 7, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Around here, it’s known as the Goofus dance.
Adoptive parent of Kevin Frandsen, now stopping gaps in...Anaheim?
by EliminateMe on Jun 7, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The lady toward the upper left grooving along is still my favorite part
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
Huff can dance...
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
OH MY GOD I AM SO EXCITED ABOUT THIS
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I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
I have a droid
the new iphone is so much better, it’s almost embarrassing.
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yeah,
but something will come out better than the iphone 4 soon after. it’ll be, as it has always been, an arms race.
for what it’s worth…i have the G1 since launch. likely will start looking for something new when contract runs it’s course
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I really don't think so
the screen on the new iphone is going to be the standard for such things for a looooong time. I don’t think anyone has ever “beat” the iphone. More features? Better coverage? Sure, but the phones aren’t anywhere near as good to use as the iphone.
It’s been the best for awhile, and now it has all the features that everyone loved to say it didnt have before, plus even MORE
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i do
screens will always improve, as will the rest of the hardware including memory, storage, and processor.
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Nope
gonna be awhile before anyone catches up with that screen technology. Obviously it will improve, but apple has done a pretty good job so far of setting the bar higher and higher every year.
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agreed
the screen is uber-sexy and that apple makes highly desirable hardware. but, as history has shown, something close to, if not exceeding, the iphone specs will be out within 6 months after the iphone 4’s release. a year, tops.
...Dr. Vader will see you now.
It's not specs alone, however
it’s the entire eco system. There is nothing like the app store/itunes/iphone connection right now. Nothing even compares. The android market is awwwwwful
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And android itself isn't really very stable
at least not in my experience
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i disagree
for me and my first smartphone experience in the G1, i’ve enjoyed the overall experience with the market and the operating system. i like the variety of apps available, the constantly improving nature available apps, and the generally reasonable prices.
...Dr. Vader will see you now.
Have you ever used an iphone?
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sure, who hasn't
but, for me a user replaceable battery, user accessible storage (and upgradeable), a generally open standard OS, more phone options using the same or improved versions of the OS from different manufacturers, hardware keyboard, available on more than one carrier, for generally lower up front and contract costs equal a better overall experience than what i’d get with the current generation iphones.
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Fair enough
again, if I wanted to I could have an iphone. But I have an android phone. I enjoy being able to hack it and play around with it.
I really do think, though, that the new iphone is about as good as phones get.
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I've never used an iPhone.
I just upgraded to a Rogue.
I’m old enough that my phone cannot and should not contain my life.
:D
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
good for you
There’s no way I could live without a smart phone but I’m glad someone can
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I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
Just a reminder: less than a decade ago, everyone did.
And rather well, actually.
If you want to talk about media overhype BS, technology is always a great place to start.
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 7, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's a tip: Ipad =/= iphone
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LOL APPLEBOT
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 7, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
will it blend?
if you’ve never seen these, they are awesome:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg1ckCkm8YI
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
FWIW, watching MLB.tv on my iPad is better than sex
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I have been married for 8 years. You can do the math.
Adopted Nut: Paraparaumu, New Zealand native, Andy Skeels
I too have been married 8 years
and let’s just say I’ve never needed an iPad.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
FWIW, watching MLB.tv on my iPad is better than during sex
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Only if I can convince my wife to wear a #28 jersey during…
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there are so many things wrong with that statement
funny, certainly, but wrong
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I am glad you caught on to the many layers of wrongness. It gives me hope that the world is not such a bad place.
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don’t forget to yell “HAVE MY BABIES”
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
i didn’t think posey was old enough, physiologically, to have babies.
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He lacks experience
He’s not ready to have babies until he has demonstrated his ability to have babies.
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Pro tip: Don’t argue with an apple fanboy. They will not be swayed.
Kyle Stratford : Brian Sabean :: Toby Flenderson : Michael Scott
pro tip: don't be a douche when you don't know what you're talking about
I have a droid, not an iphone. I can objectively look at it and realize that the Iphone is better, along with a VAST MAJORITY of people who buy cell phones. People are willing to put up with a shitty network just to have that phone. Obviously it’s pretty awesome
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Wow, your counterargument is stunning
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It's funny when people who don't know jack shit about technology try to simplify it like that
one product is better than the other. It doesn’t matter who it’s made by, one is objectively better.
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People are willing to put up with a shitty network just to have that phone. Obviously it’s pretty awesome
Are you related to Bochy or Sabean? Just b/c something sells more doesn’t make it better (VHS, Beta). I think the apple iPhone sells more b/c apple has marketed it self as a luxury item and the droid has been marketed as a bare knuckled do it all basic phone. People in America are more concern with appearances rather than functionality.
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by say hey nation on Jun 7, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
yes, I'm sure
and that’s why it’s the best selling in europe too? And canada? Just because everyone wants to look cool?
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Not cool, but rich and intelligent.
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by say hey nation on Jun 7, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Jesus christ
yes, everyone’s willing to put up with an inferior phone just so that they’ll look good. But IM the one who’s blinded by prejudice.
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I’ve told my wife the same thing about her shoes after she complains that they hurt her feet.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 7, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not saying you are wrong, or that the iPhone is a piece of crap. It is obviously good, but being the best selling doesn’t prove its the best either, it may have enough rich/smart stigma that people are willing to live with it short comings, or people don’t even notice them b/c when the the decide they want a smart phone they are really just decideing if they want a iPhone or not b/c they don’t do any research.
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by say hey nation on Jun 7, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
What shortcomings?
Remember, it is a phone.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 7, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
The biggest differences between the iphone and android:
multi tasking and hard keyboards. Android is going away from hard keyboards with its new phone, and the iphone will now do multi tasking. The user interface is so much better that it’s not even worth discussing.
In pretty much every other quantifiable way, the iphone is better, so long as you live somewhere with ATT coverage. But the coverage isn’t the phone’s fault, it’s the cell company’s.
It’s a lot like macs vs PCs- if you want a computer that will work and is very simple to use, get a mac. You won’t have to worry about crashing or any of that other crap that happens on android. If you want to hack your phone, get an android.
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I got an iPhone, never opened the manual, and was able to figure out how to do everything. It was totally intuitive.
I played around with someones droid and had to keep asking how to do things. Not nearly as intuitive.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 7, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
yup
I really do like the droid, it’s not bad by any means. But it’s just not as good as an iphone and it’s really not THAT close.
And as far as I can tell the only advantage of something like the nexus one is that it’s faster, but I’ve over clocked my droid so that it’s just as fast…and it’s just the same user interface with faster transitions. Yipeee.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
Plus the Droid isn’t even the best Android phone.
Kyle Stratford : Brian Sabean :: Toby Flenderson : Michael Scott
evo 4G is interesting
but let’s see how many people will go to sprint for it…. /crickets.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
I’ve had a good experience with the Nexus One (T-Mobile). While I’m sure the new iPhone wins I think the Nexus One holds up to the current iPhone pretty well.
Kyle Stratford : Brian Sabean :: Toby Flenderson : Michael Scott
I agree
I really like the nexus one actually. But even though the hardware is equal, the problem is that you can’t be “equal” with the iphone, you have to destroy it, because of the eco system involved.
The best android phone in the world still has to use the android market. Which just isn’t anywhere near the app store. And there’s nothing as good as itunes for syncing. Double twist is ok, but it’s not the same.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
Well I think you’re stating a preference there with iTunes. I prefer plugging my phone in and drag-and-dropping songs onto it without any software needed. As far as the app store I have no basis of comparison since I’ve never had an iPhone. However, when shopping phone companies I went with T-Mobile because they had a better plan for me. That could be considered part of the eco system no?
Kyle Stratford : Brian Sabean :: Toby Flenderson : Michael Scott
Apple couldn't control verizon turning them down
so yeah, to a certain extent the phone company matters, but apple can’t really control that.
Could be a personal preference thing, but itunes makes managing all the data on your phone/ipod so much easier than using a file explorer…I really don’t see the benefit of not using software. To each their own on that one..but one reason it’s so much more popular is because most people prefer the option that is easy and simple
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
Sigh…the Droid/iPhone argument is more tired that Mac vs PC. It’s funny because it is the same argument, but the right choices are different.
PC > Mac
iPhone > Droid
Droid people just come off as apple haters. Apple does deserve a lot of hate, but not for making the best phone on the market.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 7, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Pretty much
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
Imagine if the iPhone had a slide-out keyboard with buttons
I think I just wet myself.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
god I so wish they would do that
but steve jobs would kill himself before he let that happen
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
HEY STEVE JOBS
SOME OF US HAVE FAT FINGERS, OK?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
BUT IT MUST BE BEEUTIFULL
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
iPhone keypad is better than a qwerty. This is my opinion, of course. The qwerty seems like it would be better but as soon as I was used to the pad I had a change of heart. I can type way way faster on it than on a teeny button qwerty.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 7, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
i hate all touch screen keyboards
the iphone’s isn’t that bad, but ugh. Real buttons please. Once I used a blackberry it made any sort of touch screen board seem really lame
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
Fat fingers here
I’m reduced to using my right index finger only for typing on an iPhone
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
If he wants to
He can leave your friends behind.
Adoptive parent of Kevin Frandsen, now stopping gaps in...Anaheim?
cuz your friends don't dance
and if they don’t dance, well then they’re no friends of his
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Oh the thought of us having Leake instead of Wellemeyer
the problem of course is that the Giants would never do what the Reds did and skip the minor leagues..
So even if we drafted Strasburg last year we would still have had to sit through Wellemeyer games..
Its funny because fuck the dodgers
WHY ARE YOU GUYS NOT FREAKING OUT IN HAPPINESS
BUSTER IS STARTING AT CATCHER
My Son, fourth outfielder extraordinaire.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
Current Pass Recipients (50 PA min): Whiteside, Huff, Sanchez, Torres
by GiantPain on Jun 7, 2010 1:03 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'M FREAKING OUT.
Zito has to be the easiest on the staff to catch.
The Giants don’t fare well against pitchers.
BECAUSE IT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED FROM THE FUCKING START
NOT AFTER A COUPLE FUCKING WEEKS
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
ALSO
because I know that it’s not permanent in any way
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
/drops first pitch
/Bengie “runs” out to take over
"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Jun 7, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Odd, I was listening to the Chevelle song of the same title as I read this.
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
Um
Because Rowand is still starting in fucking center.
Proud of both my adopted son, Baggs, and my ward, Ryan LOLlis.
I hope he stays hot
he’s got the fever, babies…..
I like my beer cold ... my TV loud ... and my romosexuals flaming.--Homer Simpson
So...
…who do we like n the cage match between Torres and Rowand for the CF duties (both are listed)?
Let’s handicap the larger opponent, shall we?
Tie Rowand’s arms behind his back.
Then tie them to his legs.
Then weigh him down with several cinderblocks and throw him in the Bay.
After several minutes declare Torres the winner by default.
Any dissenting opinions?
I thought not.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
"...and is the reason 'why' really something we should be striving for?" - (guess who)
by victor frankenstein on Jun 7, 2010 1:05 PM PDT reply actions
I disagree.
I think the weights should be bags of concrete.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 7, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Let's ask the anagrammer
“How should we get rid of Aaron Rowand?” anagram = AWFUL HORROR AND NOW WISE DEATH. GOOD!
Anagram of "Giants pitcher Matt Cain" = TRAGIC MAN, ISN'T PATHETIC
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Jun 7, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just wanted to come by
And give a standing O for that caption.
We’ll be pretty sick of the Reds by Thursday. Four games? Yeeesh.
I am also not a fan of the 4-game series. I am hoping for a split, but taking at least one of these games would be nice.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 7, 2010 1:15 PM PDT reply actions
I dunno.
The only first place team that spanks us is the Padres. It seems like the last couple of years we’ve owned the teams that were supposed to have been a problem (see earlier series this season against Halladay/Phillies, Atlanta, St. Louis, etc.) and been sent on our way by teams we should be mopping the floor with (see any Padres game for the past year or two).
I know non-statistical knowledge gets frowned upon here (if it’s even admitted to exist), but could there be a mental factor at play? They actually try when they know it’s going to be rough, but coast a little too much when the Pirates come to town?
I find it hard to believe that those earlier victories were because DeRosa and Velez were still around…
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
Wait so Buster is at C
And we are bitching because Torres is not at center, and nate is not in right, and Rowand is playing?
Hmm. I mean, those are bad things but OMG BUSTER POSEY AT C WHERE HIS BAT IS MOST VALUABLE SQUEEEEEEEEEE
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
We do not rest until Buster is managing, pitching and catching his own pitches all at once.
/Win the inning
//Renteria - Still not a VD but I crush a lot
///Willism is Realism
by Scooter Ellis on Jun 7, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
No. But he would have to throw it, catch the ball at second and apply the tag.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 7, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know if that's sarchasm
but I am very happy that the Giants are starting a guy under the age of 30 at catcher, never mind that it’s Posey. I hope this is a sign the wildcat defense lunacy is subsiding, but that kind of hope tends to get dashed horribly, rather quickly.
"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Jun 7, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I am as happy as a little girl
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
by RDreamer on Jun 7, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
too much pirate
not enough sprockets
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
that's what I was looking for
therefore rec’d!
"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Jun 7, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I am thinking this comes down to the pitchers
I think Timmeh and Cain have hardly known anyone but Bengie, and are hesitant to use Posey.
Whereas Zito is saying, “Jesus H Christ on a matzoh, yes, I’ll use the kid, he hits like a machine and runs faster than a glacier. I know what I want to throw, no prob. Sorry, Bengie, yer washed up…it was nice knowing you.”
I like my beer cold ... my TV loud ... and my romosexuals flaming.--Homer Simpson
I refuse to believe a reality where Zito is the most reasonable/brightest guy around……
But that’s me. ;)
by Missing Barry on Jun 7, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
That photo caption is awesome and disgusting at the same time. Well done.
Also, yay for Posey catching!
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Jun 7, 2010 1:24 PM PDT reply actions
Slightly OT but...
I’m really excited for the draft. I’m starting to like Christian Colon but I don’t like that he’s represented by Boras.
01.19.2010
r.i.p. buster posey
Wave them home Tim Flannery, wave them home.
Some are just excited about Colon in general
Others would pass every time!
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 7, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
We should definitely scope him out.
Adoptive parent of Kevin Frandsen, now stopping gaps in...Anaheim?
A slow progression may help Colon relax.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 7, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
We definitely don’t want to induce a spastic Colon.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 7, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
gotta be a bad semi-colon joke in here somewhere…
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
I usually wear colon around college players like Colon so I don’t smell like colon.
/Win the inning
//Renteria - Still not a VD but I crush a lot
///Willism is Realism
by Scooter Ellis on Jun 7, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
scott boras should be banned from baseball
instead his greed ruins baseball everywhere and makes it so douche bags like the yankee’s and red sox are the only market for his players.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
scott boras should be banned from baseball
Look, I hate Boras, I think he is an arrogant asshole, but I can guarantee you that at least 20 of the owners in baseball are bigger assholes. But why ban him? So the ass hole, money first owners can make more money off baseball players who are one ankle twist, or one bean ball away from having no career?
Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!
by say hey nation on Jun 7, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
boras' job is to get the most money for his clients
If the Sox and Yankees are the only teams willing to pay enough, that seems more of an indictment of the other 28 teams rather than of Boras himself.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Ticket sales ticket sales ticket sales!
And you mean to tell me we’re not a winner!??!
/larry baer and bow tie
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Yes, when comparing the payrolls of a New York and a Kansas City franchise, any income disparity must the fault of the franchises.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 7, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
If I was the owner/gm of a small to mid-market team, I'd never ever open my mouth about payroll disparities
I’d just sit there and happily count the money I get from revenue sharing.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
LOL MARLINS
I’m sure the giants grub that as well.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
The Giants have a payroll that is close to 100 million dollars
They do not get revenue sharing money.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 7, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
The phrase ‘willing to pay enough’ implies every team could spend like a major market team.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 7, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
are you implying
That major league baseball teams are not owned by Very Rich People who could conceivably pay a player whatever they wanted? If they don’t, it’s for reasons of profit margins, not lack of ability to spend.
Every one of these so-called mid market teams have loyal fanbases (except perhaps the Marlins and they get a new park soon) and if the owners WANTED to put a winner on the field, they could. Instead, they line their pockets while putting out AAA lineups.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Are you implying that, even considering revenue sharing, that the bottom 5 market size teams have anywhere near the revenue of the top 5? I’d be interested to see some numbers on that actually…
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 7, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not talking about revenue
I’m saying that the people who own major league teams are fucking rich and COULD pay top dollar if they WANTED to. And my fanbase comment meant “If you build a good team, they will come.” So revenue would not necessarily be an issue except in the case of TV contracts, or teams with their own network like YES or NESN or whatever the Mets are on.
Seems to me that the lower echelon teams are owned by idiots who won’t spend money on players or player development, or won’t spend the money it takes to draft a good player in slot (Pirates). It doesn’t have a lot to do with market size.
I’m with you, though. I want to see some numbers on that.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Tigers lost $26M last year
Even really rich people can’t afford to drop $26M a year for very long and stay really rich.
Adoptive parent of Kevin Frandsen, now stopping gaps in...Anaheim?
You know that a lot of mid-market and low-market teams spend big in the draft, right?
Teams like the Rays, the Royals, the Pirates
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
Do they have a choice?
They have to put their money into development because they simply can’t afford anything else. I’d certainly be willing to consider evidence that the Pirates payroll + draft spending is even in the same neighborhood as the Yankees draft + payroll (or Boston’s for that matter).
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 7, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
If there’s a shitload of money coming in to baseball, it seems to me like it should go to the players instead of the owners.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
False dichotomy
The pie is big enough for everyone.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 7, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, and Scott Boras is making sure that happens.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
Well, his unbridled, stupid, shortsighted greed is counterbalancing the owners’ unbridled, stupid, shortsighted greed if that’s what you mean.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 7, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Boras is hardly counterbalancing the owners
He’s just one guy with a limited number of clients.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
Yes, you are correct. More properly, it’s the agents’ (and the players they represent) collective greed that counterbalances the owners’ collective greed.
Boras does, however, have a strategy of landing the highest profile players and getting the largest contracts possible for them, so he has disproportionate influence on the process.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 7, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Fuck Pie. I want my slice of cake.
The Magic is inside all of us.
Proud father of the man taking your hard-earned money.
You stink and your opinion on this matter is not to be trusted
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 7, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
that's an intriguing flavor!
On sale in the Tenderloin: $50 per slice
"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Jun 7, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I care more about owners' greed than one agent's
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
If I were a baseball player, I would want Boras as my agent.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 7, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not so sure he always acts in his clients’ best interests… but yes, I would want a total bastard representing me too.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 7, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m in this camp. He often gets his cilents great results, but I believe there are times when he doesn’t operate in an individual clients best interest and he ends up hurting them.
by Missing Barry on Jun 7, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Ex. A – Eric Hosmer
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 7, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
THIS
He gets the job done. I’d want him looking out for me.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
I think sometimes though the shit he does costs his players
Like the whole Johnny Damon issue and a few others that Boras represented that eventually got less than what they could have gotten and even though it might be the player’s fault, it’s their agent’s job to tell them what they should do and tell them that it’s the best offer they’re going to get.
But i’d take the gamble since Boras has Boras’d many teams.
01.19.2010
r.i.p. buster posey
Wave them home Tim Flannery, wave them home.
For every Johnny Damon situation there are four clients who hit it big
It’s not like Damon’s floundering in Detroit, either. He did fine.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
No I know but the point is that he has screwed some of his clients, obviously not Holliday but I just kind of think he didn’t care as much about Damon considering he’s on the decline and Damon could have gotten more money had he just stayed with the Yankee’s offer.
01.19.2010
r.i.p. buster posey
Wave them home Tim Flannery, wave them home.
Boras isn't just gonna bend over for the Yankees
He has to take a hard line with them because they’re the team that generally pays the most. They will pay what he wants them to pay, or he walks. Good strategery.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
This is the type of situation I think is ripe for Boras to hurt a client – it will be a situation where it benefits his clients as a whole in the long run to take a certain stance, but might not be good for the individual taking that stand….
by Missing Barry on Jun 7, 2010 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I know the giants refuse to sit rownad, ya know until his average is below .100
But why the fuck does he continue to start in center field? Does bochy seriously think that rowand is a better defender than torres in CF? Rowand’s arm is second to johnny damons, he’s declining rapidly and he’s not fast at all. Rowand should play nothing but left field or right field on the road. He shouldn’t play at all actually, but due to this puppet orginization our team is forced to knock itself our of contention by playing rowand till he croaks.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Rowand’s arm is second to johnny damons
This is definitely not the case. Damon’s arm is pretty bad.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 7, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I was being harsh, but if you combine rowands mental mistakes while issuing his poor throws it pretty much makes him second to johnny damon. The arm strength is a lot better from rowand, but the constant air mailing makes him almost equally terrible. I just hate scott with a passion, and I’ll use any excuse to rip him while he costs our team games.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
I think you overstate the terribleness of his defense.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 7, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Man, you want everything don’t you? One waste of money at a time. I’m not going to complain about Rowand tonight. I don’t mind being halfway to paradise.
Buster Posey: "still not ready." - idiot of a GM
by rxmeister on Jun 7, 2010 2:22 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Scott hasn't played a position other than CF since 2004
Think of his FEELINGS
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?
love this lineup but...
We will be down by 1 with 2 men on in the 9th, 1 out…“Pinch hitting for the Giants, Bengie Molina”
/GIDP
Hey don’t cut bengie short, he might fly out to shallow right field on a fastball right down the middle!
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
i actually would like to see Bengie get an apparent base hit and then get thrown out at first by the right fielder
Left fielder would be funnier
Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!
by say hey nation on Jun 7, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Well
He did hit a HR and not score so that isn’t too far of a stretch.
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis.
by j14 on Jun 7, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
What?! The Giants are letting that 1st basemen Posey catch over Bengie!?!?!
What a great day, sadly they’ll find a way to mess up the draft today and ruin it.
Jeaaaggaahh
You know, I'm thrilled Posey is starting
But man, it shows this team has no semblance of a plan – they literally make up shit as they go along. 2 weeks ago Buster wasn’t ready to C big league players in a pennant race – now he is? I’m glad when this lack of basic intellectual consistency leads to actually desireable outcomes, but I cannot believe in this age of baseball, we have a front office and manager of such breathtaking idiocy.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
Makes signing Bengie even more ridiculous, doesn’t it?
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 7, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
undoubtedly
Its a complete and total lack of logic – things change in 30 AB’s, but certain biases remain for 300. How on earth would they have treated Posey if he didn’t go 6/8 to start? I genuinely shudder to imagine.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
30 AB’s starting at 1B is a large enough of a small sample size to convince Giants braszzz that Posey is ready to catch in the big leagues.
The problem is that you believe they are telling the truth when they speak. It’s just one lie after another. Saying Posey is not ready is just a lie to justify Bengie. Then Buster gets here and hits .400, they switch the lie to "Bengie is swinging the bat better lately. ". Now that lie has failed and they are forced to admit the truth, which is that they pissed away 4.5 million dollars of Neukom’s money.
Buster Posey: "still not ready." - idiot of a GM
by rxmeister on Jun 7, 2010 2:30 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Not to mention calling Posey up what, one or two weeks away from avoiding Super 2 status? If the plan was to put him at first and not worrying about his future contracts, WHY IN THE HELL WASN’T HE UP EARLIER?
They’ve spent a lot of dough & wasted a whole lotta time to get to the most logical solution.
The Magic is inside all of us.
Proud father of the man taking your hard-earned money.
oh wait I just remembered...
Here in South Bend, Indiana all the Cincinnati Reds games are blacked out, what a fucking joke, over 250 miles away in a different state.
why are they blacked out? Are they trying to force you to go to the ballpark?
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
how far will I get with this?
‘If you think we have inaccurately determined your blackout restrictions, you may call Customer Service at 866.800.127’
I live in Philly and get every single game…..except for Phillies games!
by Missing Barry on Jun 7, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Satellite?
Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!
by say hey nation on Jun 7, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
You don’t even get CSN-Philly on DTV so you’re screwed.
The Giants offseason moves - "meh"
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum, who could do whatever he wants to do.
Yeah, CSN Philly uses this loophole that if the feed isn’t uploaded to a satellite for local feeds that you don’t have to share.
Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!
by say hey nation on Jun 8, 2010 6:23 AM PDT up reply actions
The game to watch tonight is the Fresno Grizzlies
If Madbum gets pulled after 45 pitches, I’ll know who is starting for us on Thursday.
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I have a feeling it's going to Bumgarner.
I don’t like it but I’m thinking it’s him.
01.19.2010
r.i.p. buster posey
Wave them home Tim Flannery, wave them home.
My math says this isn't progress
While I’m happy that Bengie isn’t behind the plate (one step forward), why is Rowand still in CF and – most importantly – why the heck is Buster not batting third (two step back)?
"Row(and) will come out of this. You stay with your guys and he is one of our guys." - Bruce Bochy 05-31-10
"...and with Titanic's transverse bulkheads and watertight doors, it renders this vessel practically unsinkable." - "Shipbuilder" magazine, 1912
The other day when Posey batted 7th and Panda 8th
I thought to myself : Finally, I get to see what our 3-4 hitters look like together for the next 3 years.
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Just wait until rowand hits 2 dingers today and hits 5th for the rest of the year “so he can work on his power swing”.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
yeah, but then the pitcher
came up in the “5” spot and killed the “dream”
...Dr. Vader will see you now.
I’m actually OK with him batting lower in the order…for the 1st few weeks.
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by say hey nation on Jun 7, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
RE: Photo Caption
WHAT IF I CAME HERE FOR NEWS!
Kyle Stratford : Brian Sabean :: Toby Flenderson : Michael Scott
IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE PING PONG VAGINA CONNECTION
IT WOULD BE NEWS TO YOU!
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
I’m still trying to figure out why Bochy removed Posey for a pinch runner last night. Has that been figured out?
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
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I figured that had to be it… But if that’s the reasoning, why did Bochy leave Molina in to run at second in the bottom of the 9th?
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
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The question is not why he was pinch run for
that I understand. The question is why Molina was Not in the same inning. As the lead runner. At Second Base.
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YES
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
We had already scored when Molina reached base right? So I suppose Bochy was concerned about having Bengie in to catch the 9th since he believe Bengie is good defensively.
The Giants don’t fare well against pitchers.
Better than Whiteside?
And, as it turned out, that third run would have been important.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
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It’s not too much of a stretch to say that Bochy does actually believe that Bengie is the superior catcher. I disagree, but there it is.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 7, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
In Bochy’s mind Molina is better than Whiteside. The 3rd run would have been nice but as it turned out, even if you put vintage vince coleman in to run for Molina he wouldn’t have scored. The two situations just aren’t that comparable. In situation A) you have the go ahead run on first base with 2 outs so you need someone super fast to have any chance of scoring on a hit. In the second one you already have a 2 run lead.
The Giants don’t fare well against pitchers.
It’s not the result, but the thinking process.
If Morneau didn’t score that run on Saturday, Bob Geren still made a terrible, terrible decision to put the winning run on base intentionally.
If it was logical to remove Posey, it was logical to remove Molina. Afterall, that’s exactly why you have whiteside on the bench. For situations like that.
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It’s not the same situation. Pinch running for the go ahead run is different than pinch running for the 3rd run. Bork obviously values Molina’s defense.
The Giants don’t fare well against pitchers.
Molina was walked intentionally. A double play ends that inning. Schierholtz did well to walk there putting Molina at 2nd, but he absolutely should have been pinched run for at 1B when he was walked intentionally.
I misremembered the details. I thought he was the lead runner at 2B, but the bases was actually loaded after the Schierholtz walk. He should have been lifted at 1B, not at 2B.
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Posey at C FTW!
Aaron Rowand at CF WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ro had some great swings yesterday, I like how he’s swinging lately and we gotta..
oh wait we’ve heard this tired irrelivant excuse 50 times already this season, put this chump on the bench so he can watch actual major leaguers bat.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Even when good things finally happen, I can never be happy. Rowand in CF? Burrell starting? How stupid everything they do and say regarding Posey is and how they change their mind based on small sample stupidity constantly? Can there ever be a well thought out plan that we stick to and execute? Please? Ugh, I cannot stand this organization.
by Missing Barry on Jun 7, 2010 2:35 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I kind of like having Pat the Bat in there. Maybe he will be good. But if he is terrible, I no longer kind of like having Pat the Bat in there.
by BrianIsAwesome on Jun 7, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
So is Bowker..higher reward, though.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 7, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Ha, this statement, combined with your name, is perfect. I can see Brian sitting there and saying the same thing to himself. Rec.
by Missing Barry on Jun 7, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
rec'd
lights pitchfork on fire.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 7, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
there is a plan
“Stick with veterans because they have experience, unless they’re a pitcher. If the youngsters struggle they must not be ready, so send them down to AAA for more seasoning even though AAA pitching isn’t any good. If the veterans struggle they are just slumping and should be allowed to hit their way out of it, and should get as much playing time as necessary to ensure that happens.”
I didn’t say it was a good plan.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
As much as they change their strategy and mind and keep making stupid decisions that just don’t have any consistency at all……I just don’t believe there’s a plan in place being executed.
by Missing Barry on Jun 7, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
NOT A PERMANENT CHANGE?
extrabaggs
Bengie Molina had cortisone injection in L elbow on last homestand. Took a foul tip. Bochy giving him a day.
The Giants don’t fare well against pitchers.
DID ANYONE NOT EXPECT THIS?
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thank god
Posey’s reign of terror is over before it began!
"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
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by natteringnabob on Jun 7, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
In all honesty, he is the manager, and that includes managing personalities
He said what needs to be said at this moment in time. The Giants are still counting on Molina to contribute for the dollars they’ve spent on him.
Let’s take one step at a time. Tonight was a first step. If the only intention was to rest Bengie Molina, then Eli Whiteside would be in there, not Posey.
As much as I hate (and I motherfucking do) Bochy, I can understand this.
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Are you kidding?
you actually thought Molina was done? LOL YOU. Wow. You must be new.
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:) I did not think he was done, but still, lol me for rooting for a team run by sabes and boch
The Giants don’t fare well against pitchers.
LOL more like
Bengie molina is fat and the most out of shape player in baseball. Due to having to catch 10 innings yesterday he’s completely exhausted and can barely move and needs 2-3 days off to be able to catch another game. Except while catching yesterdays game he looked dead and put 0 effort after any pitch down. He gave up a passed ball yesterday that he didn’t move for, and of course the scorer goes LOL WILD PITCH!!! so slow bengie’s fragile ego doesn’t get hurt. Bengie shouldn’t be allowed to play again until he can run a mile in under 20 minutes.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
whats worse is it was immeditially called a wild pitch and no one bothered to call out bengie, but it’s been like that all year. It was a blatant passed ball, one of the worst I’ve seen all year. Not only was it fucking pathetic, but he didn’t even attempt to block it or get in front of it.. only 2 of timmys runs should have been earned but LOL no box score help for timmy.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
tick tock tick tock tick tock
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 7, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
the graft
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 7, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Baggs taking the wind out of our sails
extrabaggs Bochy says “right now Wellemeyer is our starter” for Thursday at CIN. “We haven’t changed anything.”
extrabaggs Molina will catch tmrw but Posey will be worked in. Bengie still the starter. No paradigm shift happening here.
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Over/Under on ratio of Wellemeyer’s Earned Runs to IP on Thurs: 4
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I’ll take the over, without a doubt. That line is gonna go way up before thursdays game, better get on it while its hot. All of wellemeyers “long outs” will be home runs at great american band box.
The over under for home runs now, is the better question. I’ll start off nice and put the total at 4, but that total will go way up by thursday because thats a lock.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Wait what
Do you mean 4 ER per IP?
I’ll take the under.
Unless you mean 4 IP to 1 ER, in which case I’ll take the over.
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Unexplainably retarded
Bruce bochy.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
/demands paradigm shift
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 7, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
All this talk of draft got me thinking
With Posey up, how does our farm system rank now? Are we bottom 10 the moment Posey was called up?
What if Madbum IS called up? Where would we rank?
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We still have Andy D’Alessio, so I’d say we’re somewhere between 3-30.
I'll punch Greg Evigan in the beard if I ever see him!
if it weren’t for good ol’ Andy, Brandon Belt would be in Richmond.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 7, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
definately bottom 10, especially once darren ford and mad bum are up here in a year or two.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Crap, I’m getting excited about a guy in Single A again.
The Giants don’t fare well against pitchers.
not really as a “top” prospect, but watching him in spring training I found him extremely exciting and I hope he turns out to be a non fred lewis episode.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Anyone else bitter?
That we, bay area teams, never get golden opportunities like Seattle (Griffey/Arod) or the Expos? It really is ridiculous that they are getting the two best talents to enter the draft in a long long time, and in back to back years.
True, the niners had an opportunity in a really horrible draft year and totally screwed it up.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 7, 2010 3:17 PM PDT reply actions
I'm happy with Lincecum.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
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this
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Ugh
Alex smith hate. Still. Wow. I’m not going to get into an apple argument AND an alex smith argument in the same thread. Too tiring.
But goddamn, I am going to be INSUFFERABLE after he’s good this year. You thought I was bad now. Just wait.
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I'll be right there with ya
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This will be his 6th year?
My point is simply that he clearly wasn’t a #1 QB. They should have drafted a bad ass DL or somebody that was worth the pick. He has, to this point, been a pretty big waste of a pick.
I believe he will do well this year, too. But he will never be worth that #1 pick.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 7, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
ha.
“he will never be worth that #1 pick” what would he have to do to be worth it?
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Be Peyton Manning.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 7, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
with one superbowl win in 12 years
wow, good for him. Peyton is great..but yeah.
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oh ok
so for a #1 pick to be worth it, he only has to have a HOF career. Pretty high standards you have there.
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Seeing as how the brothers Manning are pretty much the only number 1 QBs who've worked out over the past 20 years
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Well
until smith is good, that is.
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If you go 21 years, I would take Troy Aikman
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Ok
3 in 21 years. Yup, totally rational.
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Ok
4 in 26 years. This is actually making the argument worse, not helping it
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technically
it’s making it slightly better. But still not very good. If the threshold for “worth a #1 pick” is “HOF Career” then a lot of teams are gonna be very disappointed.
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Agree. And FWIW, Eli Manning is not going to be a HOF QB and does not belong in the same conversation as his brother, Aikman or Elway.
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Yes
not sure why I even included him.
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If we’re going down that route, really, Aikman doesn’t belong in that conversation, either. Talk about overrated.
by Missing Barry on Jun 7, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think it is
4 out of 14 QBs drafted number 1 overall in the last 27 years (elway was 83, not 84) turned out to be great (and eli isn’t even THAT great, so it’s really only 3). How is that helping?
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Doesn’t have to be only QBs. My point was that Smith was pretty obviously not worth a #1. There wasn’t a #1 QB in the draft but niners brass was like, MUST DRAFT QB..FORCE IT!. So they took a guy way higher than they should have.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 7, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Who else should they have taken?
Rodgers? No way to know that he wouldn’t have turned out the same under the circumstances. Edwards? LOL drops. Seriously. There was pretty much nobody in that draft worthy of that pick. And now that Smith will get the chance to actually prove he was worth the pick after all, this discussion will seem ridiculous.
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there wasn’t a #1 anything in that draft.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 7, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Bingo
Merriman? LOL. Brown? Injured. Benson? LOL. Edwards? LOL. Williamson? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.
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Man...
Looking down that list, that was just not a good draft at all. Relatively few impact players.
My Jets drafted a kicker in the second round that year. Ugh.
exactly
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What about the New Jersey Jets?
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 7, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah,
and he’s 26. If he’s as good as I think he can be for 10 more years, he is absofuckinglutely worth that pick.
And this is actually his 4th year. I don’t think he can control losing 2 years to injury. But go ahead and count those against him if you want.
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Plus there’s the whole “the team didn’t have any offensive talent around him for most of that time and switched coordinators on him every year” thing….
by Missing Barry on Jun 7, 2010 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
You realize that the other top prospect in that draft was Braylon Edwards, right?
by Missing Barry on Jun 7, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Also
vernon davis, patrick willis, joe staley. They all play in the bay area, right?
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In all fairness, he was probably referring to good sports only.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
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Tim lincecum?
only the best pitcher of the generation. Yeah, fuck that guy.
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Referring to #1 picks/Obvious #1s.
Tim Duncan, Arod, Bryce, Strasburg, Lindros (who we got fucked out of)…that sort of thing.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 7, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
ugh
who cares? As long as your team ends up with a great player who gives a shit if they’re “obvious” number 1s or not. That’s just media hyped BS
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If he turns out to be great, yay! After five years in the league he has been a wasted pick. Many players would be pretty close to free agency by now, wouldn’t they?
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 7, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
again
2 years lost due to injury. Not his fault. But continue to count that against him, by all means.
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Did the Niners screw that draft up?
I only heard positive reviews, but then again, I don’t really follow football anymore.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
Frank Gore
nuff said. And when Smith is good, they will have gotten a franchise RB and QB in the first 3 rounds. Really can’t ask for more than that.
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Alexander Smith
/wrists
Clearly the local boy aaron rodgers had inferior pyschical attributes to alexis smith… oh wait.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Ugh
Alex smith hate. Still. Wow. I’m not going to get into an apple argument AND an alex smith argument in the same thread. Too tiring.
But goddamn, I am going to be INSUFFERABLE after he’s good this year. You thought I was bad now. Just wait.
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Physical attributes aren’t what got Alex Smith drafted.
by Missing Barry on Jun 7, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
We got to see Bonds in his prime
Free agency, yeah, but it didn’t make it any less awesome.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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I'm sure there are plenty of International signings
that will equal or beat both strasburg and harper. The Giants have just as much play there as any other team.
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I just love how we're calling those guys "the best talents to enter the draft in a long long time"
when they haven’t played a single inning in the majors.
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Who are the last pitchers or batters that entered the draft that you feel were better than those two?
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by positiveuphemism on Jun 7, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not saying that they're good or bad
but jesus christ, let’s hold off on anointing them until they’ve actually, you know, done something.
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My point is how obvious they are as #1s. Look at the entire 00s. Aren’t those two the top 2 so far?
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by positiveuphemism on Jun 7, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
again
who gives a shit? It’s media hyped BS
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I can think of 2 that entered the same year. Joe Mauer and Mark Prior. They were not “hyped” as much because Twitter, Facebook, and internet technology with videos and what not were not widely available just a few years ago, but those 2 were graded just as highly.
Both “once in a generation” guys. One of them turned out to be true.
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and Prior would have too if he didn't get injured
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It’s really amazing that there is a “once in a generation” talent almost every single year.
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Who?
I can’t remember a whole lot.
Bryce
Strasburg
Arod
Griffey
…That’s as far back as I can remember. Winfield in the 70s.
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by positiveuphemism on Jun 7, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Todd Van Poppel. Don’t forget that hype.
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Wasn’t that more just that he was the consensus top prospect as opposed to he was a once in a generation talent?
by Missing Barry on Jun 7, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
OMG Pat Burrell, #1!
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by positiveuphemism on Jun 7, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Chipper Jones was pretty hyped. I even went to see him play at AAA Richmond. He was a rock star
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I like how they slowly groomed him for the majors. No rush at all.
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by positiveuphemism on Jun 7, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Proving my point about media-hyped BS
everyone would have been flipping out if the Giants had gotten him
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Heyward should have been #1…but the Braves manipulated the system.
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by positiveuphemism on Jun 7, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
so now we're counting hypotheticals?
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No, replied to wrong comment. :p
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by positiveuphemism on Jun 7, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
My mistake, Winfield wasn’t #1.
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by positiveuphemism on Jun 7, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Since the draft was never televised before I think we are seeing an increase in hype as an effort to get people to actually watch.
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by j14 on Jun 7, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Eli whiteside still has more home runs than jason bay
LOL VALUE!!!
/flex
He’s done it in about a 1/4th of the PA’s to.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
More than Molina, too!
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by positiveuphemism on Jun 7, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
speaking of molina
in 153 at bats, molina has 5 doubles.
In 60 at bats, whiteside has 5 doubles LOLLLL
In 30 at bats.. posey has 4 doubles.
so therefore in 90 at bats posey and greyside have more than twice the extra base hits molina has LOL BENGIE.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
He also has as many as Pablo Sandoval :(
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by j14 on Jun 7, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
FP is stupid
WHY IS BENGIE?!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 7, 2010 3:56 PM PDT reply actions
glad we cleared that up.
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